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Complaint Review: Munchkinland Chihuahuas Debra Bourassa

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  • Submitted: Mon, September 10, 2012
  • Updated: Mon, December 17, 2012

  • Reported By: kathryn — Martinsburg West Virginia United States of America
Munchkinland Chihuahuas Debra Bourassa
1169 S. Main St. Manteca, California United States of America

Munchkinland Chihuahuas Debra Bourassa Debra Drury Munchkinland Chihuahuas Deception and Horrible Customer Service Main Concern Money Manteca, California

*Author of original report: How many times will she change her site name?

*Author of original report: www.teacupandtoypuppies.net

*Author of original report: Changed address

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: inconclusive ! heartless bitch

*Author of original report: Read, think, be careful and you decided for you

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: SIMPLE FACTS REGARDING KAHTRYNS PUPPY CHOICES- FOR THOSE WHO CARE ABOUT TRUTH

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: LIARS WHO MADE UP ALL THOSE WEBSITE TITLES AND MY SELLING HUGE CHIHUAHUAS IS NONSENCE

*Author of original report: In response to Pattie

*Consumer Comment: munchkinland beware of size

*Consumer Comment: I love my baby even though her knees are in bad shape.

*Consumer Comment: Munchinland experience was great

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: He took after Champion great grandparents.

*Consumer Comment: Munchkinland, Debra Bourassa

*Consumer Comment: Response to K

*Author of original report: EB

*Consumer Comment: Response to Kathryn

*Author of original report: Debra's "Ultra" Chihuahua's

*Consumer Comment: Debra Bourassa Munchkinland Chihuahua's

*Author of original report: Growing

*Author of original report: Im not going to fight

*Consumer Comment: In response to letter written Sept. 10, 2012 regarding munchkinland pups and Debra

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: I OFFERED THIS FAMILY A CASH REFUND MONTHS AGO BEFORE THE PUPPY WOULD BOND WITH THE FAMILY

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I started checking out Debra Bourassa  page in late 2011 trying to find the best breeder/puppy for me. Everything on her page made it seem like she really cared. I wanted/want to have one male and one female to breed myself. So in march of 2012 I saw a puppy that was so adorable she had called him stuart little he was a cream/tan color he was tiny (as a breeder you want the male to be smaller in hopes that the babies him and the dam have are smaller so less chance of problems during birth: breach birth or having to do a C-section etc.) She was charting him at only 2 pounds full grown perfect I thought.

 So I emailed for a bit then I called and we agreed on X amount as down payment and the remainder paid on X day when I would have the rest of the money. The next day she emails and says she cant wait till then claims she is being too nice to too many customers and wants the full amount on X day (before I have the money). Now we had a verbal agreement (I think of this later mind you) but this was my first time buying a dog online and figured she could do this so I email back and say Im sorry then I cannot get the dog. She flips out yelling at me saying she cant believe I did this when she saved him for me and passed up a good woman in FL who wanted him but goes on to say she will keep him for herself. I felt horribly guilty (which was her motive) so long story short I found a way to have all the money when SHE wanted it.

She tells me on the phone I dont have anything from Donovans line(the father of stuart) I really would like to keep stuart. I laugh thinking she is just joking. She says this several more times through email and phone. While I wait for it to be time to get my dog I ask questions as I think of them she takes a long time to answer IF she decides to answer many questions she blatantly ignored and just never answered (I asked several times with each question). Its time for my puppy to ship she claims he doesnt weigh enough ok I wait several more weeks then there is supposedly tornados where his flight (she says she booked) was to lay over and she couldnt risk flying him then so I wait another week or so.

Then she tells me she washed my puppy with CAT shampoo because she was out of puppy shampoo!!! The next day she is saying she cant ship him because patches of hair are failing out. I repeatedly ask her to take him to the vet the first couple times she ignores me pleas then she starts saying that even if she took them the vet wouldnt know they would do a skin scrape. Im like OK DO the skin scrape but shes like there is no need he either has MANGE or effects from the shampoo says if she did the skin scrape I would have to pay for it because it was a waste. 

I ask for pics of proof and the pics she sends I cant see any hair loss and there is white pixels throughout the photos (making me wonder if the pics have been tampered with) I have these photos still. Either way if its supposed mange or shampoo effects I plead with her for weeks offering to fly myself there and get stuart because she claims she cant fly him this way(she also refused to refund the shipping cost claims it was free later though in email she claims it was 300 minimal for shipping ) she finally says to pick another dog she is going to keep him. My suspected fear has come true she is keeping the dog I love for herself. What am I to do? She has all the money I either lose all my money or pick another puppy.

I am devastated but pick another dog. She tells me he is the runt and might not live she charts him at 2-2 pounds. I ask for new pics she tells me she really only updates the NOT sold puppies pics often, not the sold puppy. So basically its Hey youve paid me so I dont really care if you get to see your dog grow up. I dread calling her because all she talks about is her health issues her kids and their issues her CATS and THEIR issues. She LOVES her cats way more than the dogs! On the phone I hardly can get any questions in and she talks down to you as if youre a child.

So its a week before my new puppy is to fly out and she tells me in a email (I have kept EVERY email to her and from me to her as well) that the puppy (she called him Lucky) weighs less than his brothers and sisters and is still the runt. The day of the flight she calls me and says he is bigger than his brothers and sisters and he may get to be 4 lbs I am dismayed but really excited to finally have my baby.

She tells me when the flight will arrive but NO DIRECTIONS on how to get him at the airport. She booked him to arrive at midnight on a week day!  I make sure I will park my car at the airport an hour before he is to arrive so I can find his port and then find out how I actually get him! So I find his flight number and guess what hes not due to land till 1:30 am and it says his flight is on time! So she either got the time wrong or lied either way I sat there for two hours and then didnt get him till 2 am I didnt get home till 330-4 am.

So I have his litter box set up that she says is what he is trained for. I show him right away put him in the litter box first thing he picks his paws up one at a time looking confused then jumps out walks a couple steps away from it and pees! The next couple days I TRY to get him to use the box he hates it! Just pees and poos right outside the litter box. I have since pee pad trained him with NO pellets (because he hated the pellets).

I look in my folder that is supposed to have my vet certification there is NONE just a pamphlet with dates written down by her of supposed worming and when she supposedly gave neopar. Oh and dont let this neopar is the best thing fool you. You pay so much for a dog from her and she only gives parvo shot WHICH only is health guaranteed for 10 days (So it says in her contract which I can show). So its the best parvo shot out there but you only guarantee it for 10 days? Every other breeder I know gives the first 4-way shot(The 4-way shot has the Parvo vaccine in it)! I THOUGHT that was what she did.

So I take him to the vet the next day and they weigh him and he is 2 lbs 1 ounce wow she was supposed to ship him at a pound and a half AND she charts him at 2-2 pounds FULL GROWN! I do the stool sample as instructed for my health guarantee and I want it for my peace of mind especially with no vet certification from her vet!!! The tests come back that he has TAPE worm and round worm! I pay for the worm meds I pay for the first 4-way shot I pay for the vet visit.

He is now 6 months old and weighs 5lbs and 11 ounces (there is 16 ounces in a pound) so he is almost 6 pounds and Chihuahua dont stop growing till up to a year. She saysother breeders are bad breeders because they say teacup and pocket pup on her site she says XXX tiny now how is that any different? When you see XXX tiny what do you think? In her feeding your puppy page she calls them teacups. Even when you go to her site up in the tab description she has the word teacup in it. She goes on and on about how her dogs are more compact body size even has pic in her measurements page of how her adults are 6 inches long! She says on her website dont get fooled by other breeders do you want a skinny 2lb 12 inch dog or a 3lb 7 inch dog? Well at 6 months my puppy from Debra is 11 inches long and almost 6 pounds!!!!!

So I email her telling her all this she says she cant believe it OH MY very very rare does this happens to her AND she goes on to tell me how the first puppy I wanted stayed at 2 lbs! Im like Im not surprised you wanted to keep him because you knew! Shes like I didnt keep him I gave him to a friend (exactly you say how your friends and family keep dogs for you so all your dogs arent at your house and you get arrested for puppymill! She also breeds and sells yorkies and Maltipoos she and her friends/family have a LOT of dogs. ) she said from the beginning that she wanted to keep my dog and she did. Now I am stuck with one of what she calls on her own site a taco bell dog who is going to end up being 8 lbs and 12-13 inches long.

Since my first dog (stuart 6 months ago) she has sold OVER 15 puppies from her site and I have seen her put up TWO referral on her site. Those two referrals are from the puppies sold in the last 6 month period.  There is a third one but it is from a puppy sold 11 months ago. What does that tell you?

There are several reports on Debra Bourassa for various reasons (the ones Ive seen) : mange, luxating patella (knee problems), Debra wanted more money for a dog, She has decided she wants to keep the dog for herself etc.

After I had paid the full amount for my puppy I was trying to find her website from a computer that was not my own and I typed in munchkinland chuihuahua and found several reports on her that was over 8 months ago I searched again recently and this is what is left:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/pet-shops-supplies/emerald-city-by-chid/emerald-city-by-chidolls-chi-2d437.htm

(http://www.ripoffreport.com/animal-services/wartena-chihuahuas/jennifer-wartena-jenny-warten-d7c59.htm)

This is what that report^^^ says: My name is Debbie McCooeye. I am the buyer of the sick puppy Gomez from CHIDOLLS. Each and every report here on ripoff against Jennifer Wartena is because she is one of the most respected, honest breeders that has come up against a large puppymill operation in California. The owners of this puppymill are doing their best to discredit Jennifer. This puppymill ring leader is Debra Drury/Bourassa/Washington (Chidolls, Famous Pups), Dawn Dalyce (Sugar N Spice), Brenda Hagle (Currently suspended from the AKC from Lees Fashion Poos), A.M. Borassa (Amber Bourassa), Maureen Drury/Bourassa, Mark and Cindy Drury, Della Drury, Brenda Bourassa, etc., Jennifer assisted me with my sick puppy when Debra Drury refused to honor her contract or the California Puppy Lemon Laws. Due to her assistance with the health of my puppy, she has received numerous threats from the above ring leader.
 
If you have ANY dispute of ANY kind with Debra the contract she has you sign if you want a puppy (which she doesnt show you till after your deposit which is non-refundable oh and its 50% of the price of the puppy 2300.-5000.) says that any problems that go to court will be held in California and you will pay for all her legal fees. 

Debra has several different websites in the past

Chidolls
Chinadolls
Luvs Chi Babies
Dollbabies
Angel Babies
Babydollpups
Emerald City Chihuahuas
Babydoll Famous Pups
Famous Pups

Why has she changed her website name so much? Do you remember how she posted on her munchkinland website about bad breeders selling a bad dog then closing their site down?

Debra just recently put this in her site: A WRITTEN SIZE GUARANTEE if size is important to you. Options of money back, credit for exchange, discount toward next puppy...If the breeder starts offering every excuse in the book as to why they dont offer some kind of compensation, walk away.

Before she posted that on her website when I emailed her about how big my dog was she offered to give me a discount on another dog! So basically she is saying you are out the 2300. You spent on that dog AND I want you to give me more money for another dog that might be just as big!

She demanded I send him back and that she would give me a discount on the next puppy or credit for another. I did NOT want to go through that hell with her ever again! Besides that really? Debra you want me to send a puppy back that I paid you 2300. for and no reimbursement? Im sorry youve deceived me but Im not quite that stupid.

I am a real person not as Debra calls it another breeder bashing each other.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 09/10/2012 04:45 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Munchkinland-Chihuahuas-Debra-Bourassa/Manteca-California-95337/Munchkinland-Chihuahuas-Debra-Bourassa-Debra-Drury-Munchkinland-Chihuahuas-Deception-and-H-939240. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Author of original report

How many times will she change her site name?

AUTHOR: kathryn - ()

www.chihuahua-teacups.com

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#2 Author of original report

www.teacupandtoypuppies.net

AUTHOR: kathryn - ()

How many new sites will she make this year? She says people are supposedly stealing her website name? You buy your domain name (your website) once a year so there is only a possiblity of that once a year not 4 times in a year.

 

Registration Overview

 

Getting a domain name involves registering the name you want with a organization called ICANN through a domain name registrar. For example, if you choose a name like "example.com", you will have to go to a registrar, pay a registration fee that costs around US$10 to US$35 for that name. That will give you the right to that name for a year, and you will have to renew it annuually for (usually) the same amount annum.

 

Credit to the above paragraph goes to thesitewizard.com Under How to register your own domain name. (I did not write this)

Her newest website is www.teacupandtoypuppies.net

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#3 Author of original report

Changed address

AUTHOR: Kathryn - ()

She has changed her website address... Her own words saying breeding scammers change their website address once they've sold a bad puppy. And the above rebuttle says I am the author I am not. I dont know why she put my name down but at the top it tells you it is the owner of the company who went down to name calling... again.

 

www.chihuahuas-forsale.com

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#4 REBUTTAL Owner of company

inconclusive ! heartless bitch

AUTHOR: Kathryn - ()

Online Smear Campaign! Anyone Prefer Animals Over Humans?

          “Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.”
                                                                    ― Eleanor Roosevelt
Due to new television commercials which started in 2012, the public is becoming increasingly aware of the cyber terror initiated by adults online. Be aware that LIES make more then one victim. Consumers who are decieved by lies are also victims. Fake report  stem from a "clique" of Chihuahua Breeders who used akas to write fake reports We didn't have the identity of the Breeders as they masqueraded as "upset buyers"  of ours on a forum run by an x-felon, who enjoys the bashing of others.
Someone gave me the identities of the breeders and I did background checks. I found multiple felony records ! Perhaps this is one reason why those breeders have taken on new website titles.There is one Breeder who was a customer of mine and I paid her $5,000 despite her refusing to send the puppy back. I paid for refund and testing which was inconclusive. The puppy grew into an adult and was alive several years after my payment. The Breeder and her friend defamed me online for nearly 2 years after my $5000 payment. Cyber terror included stealing my website titles, creating imposter website. I could not keep a simple Guestbook on my site due to death threats and insults they posted DAILY! They LIVED on my website! Stalkers.
KATHRYN and a Chihuahua Breeder, CUT and PASTE libeous material from the old bogus 2005 reports into their report. Spreading lies further, is the same as telling lies. Kathryn should know she wasn't scammed because breeders who scam do not try to get you to pick a smaller puppy when the one you have reserved is growing too large! Many breeders post on their sites that they do not allow you to change puppies once reserved! We are not like that. Anyway, I saw Kathryn's puppy not growing into the type she wanted so I asked her to pick a smaller puppy. Some scammer huh? Kathryn refused to listen. She even became angry when I persisted and told me she had the RIGHT to the puppy she paid for!  She demanded I send the puppy. Then she calls me a scammer after I send her  the puppy she demanded! NOT normal! A "normal"  person would have simply admitted the breeder was right and agree to send  the puppy back for a refund.  I even continued to offer her refunds after she received the puppy. She kept refusing. I warned Kathryn the refund offer would STOP as the pup was getting older. Kathryn WAITS until her dog is almost 1 year and wants a refund! It was too late. She bitterly blames us for HER poor choices.
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#5 Author of original report

Read, think, be careful and you decided for you

AUTHOR: Kathryn - ()

A wise man once told me don't argue with fools, beacuase people from a distance can't tell who is who.

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#6 REBUTTAL Owner of company

SIMPLE FACTS REGARDING KAHTRYNS PUPPY CHOICES- FOR THOSE WHO CARE ABOUT TRUTH

AUTHOR: Debra - ()

First off let me say I bought champions Chihuahuas and champion Sired offspring from Osito, Marquis, Hi- C Chihuahuas, Toyvilles and the list goes on.  Champions are fuller sized so I spent years breeding to bring down size.Depsite have smaller Chihuahuas there can be a puppy born that takes after the fuller sized Champion grand parent in the ancestry. The blood lines are all AKC Champions I bought from BAYARD, BURGANDY,BLUE SKYS DUGGERS, HI-C, JEN-JEANS, KANDEE, DARTAN, DEAS, DESMOND, HURDS , JALWOOD, JIMBOBS, JO-ELS, JOANNA, KLEINS,  MARJAX, MARQUES, O'PAG,  OSITO, MT VIEWS, PALS, PAVS, PANCHE,REGS, PITTORE, REGNIERS, QUACHITAH, ROBBINS, SHARING, SOROKO, STAR BRITE, STOBERS,TOYVILLE,TOYON HILLS, TOY VALLEY, VANDERPOOL, WILLMADOR ,VANNOY.

HER FIRST PUPPY CHOICE- The first puppy Kathryn had chosen had a mild case of demodex which caused the coat to look shabby. At first I thought it was a reaction to a shampoo, but as more time went on it became apparent it could be a mild form of demodex. No sores or any pinkness, just a few thinning areas making the coat look shabby. I would not fly a puppy with a coat looking like that, even though it was mild, it was noticeable and I sent photos to Kathryn so she could see the condition of the coat. I do not understand why she could not see the condition in the photos as I viewed the same photos and I could clearly see it, although mild.

I have OCD and mild conditions may seem worse to me , but I doubt the Vet would have given me a flight certificate for a puppy that had hair loss. I would have been far too embarrassed to send anyone a puppy with thinning areas of hair. I had mentioned to Kathryn the puppy was cute enough to keep, but how those simple statements of mine got twisted into the fabricated story she spun is confusing. The choice to wait or not  for the confition to resolve rested solely with Kathryn. It was Kathryn's choice to not wait. Her report misleads readers to think we forced her to give up the puppy. This is not true. As a matter of fact Kathryn did decide to wait for a week or two but  then decided she did not wish to wait longer.

SECOND PUPPY CHOICE  I actually helped Kathryn to choose a runt of a litter  ( Osito lines, Hi-C lines, Toyville Lines ) so later when the puppy started to grow leaps and bounds it occurred to me that his newborn runted size was likely due to an insufficient placenta while in uteri. Even in human fetuses a condition called SGA can occur due to a small placenta. This can happen with any mammal as well. An experienced breeder knows that newborn runts can catch up if they are not true runts and didn't grow well in the womb due to a poor functioning placenta. I observed a jump in growth where he caught up with his siblings by 8 weeks. I  didn't want to upset Kathryn prematurely  so I monitored his growth for a couple more weeks.

I didnt wish to upset her unless I was certain. I did tell her that her pups charting weight had changed and he was no longer the runt. As the puppy continued to grown  I knew I had to break the news to her that she would need to chose another smaller puppy. I explained to her that the great grand father of the puppy was a 6 lb Champion and the puppy had picked up the genes despite being smaller at birth. I explained to her how a newborn runt can once in a blue moon not be a true runt. I was open, frank and  told her the puppy was not right for her. I asked for her to wait and to choose a suitable puppy. Kathy refused to listen to me. She stated she had rights to the puppy she paid for. So I shipped the puppy to her as she asked. He was 2 lbs at 3 months old.

I have shipped fat 2 lb puppies at 3 months of age  who only gained several more ounces by 1 year old, but this puppy was slender and had a larger sized body and I was very worried about sending her the puppy. I honestly didn't know what to do when Kathy refused to listen to me and refused to wait for another puppy. What would YOU had done? I have never come across anyone that would force me to send them a puppy I advised them not to take. Within a week of receiving the puppy she phoned me shoutin g obscenities and labeling me a scammer. How can someone act like that when previously  told to choose another puppy? How does HER bad choice make ME a scammer? Wouldn't it have been appropriate to admit that I had been right and just agree to send him back?

I was shocked over her reaction and simply asked her to send him back for a refund. Isn't that what any reputable breeder would have done? What else was expected of me? She refused my offer. She contacted me again about a month later complaining and I AGAIN offered her a refund. She refused the refund AGAIN.  I  warned her that if she continued to refuse to send him back while still young, that I would not offer her the refund anymore. I told her she needed to take me up on the offer. When he was a few months short of one year old she said she waqs ready to send him back.

It was unfair for the dog who after so many months loved his mommie. If Kathryn had been nice I would have given her a free puppy and let her keep the oversized son of PipSqueek ( 2 lbs) grandson of Hi C Blue Skies 6 lbs when titled but 8 lbs middle aged. Remember I bought the Champions 4 to 6 lbs to begin my breeding program. I then kept smaller offspring ( brought size down, as Champions are fulled sized ). Kathryn became so cold hearted I couldn't imagine sending another puppy to her, which was why I had offered the refund so many times

She then emailed me days later that she had taken her dog to a  shelter where he was euthanized! I went online to her posts defaming me and saw that she spoke of the puppy being  alive, loved and well. Kathryn should appreciate that I didn't post the cruel email she sent to me threatening to euthanize her puppy due to his weight.  

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#7 REBUTTAL Owner of company

LIARS WHO MADE UP ALL THOSE WEBSITE TITLES AND MY SELLING HUGE CHIHUAHUAS IS NONSENCE

AUTHOR: Debra - ()

 I have been Munchkinland since 2005!!! Before that I had ONE other title. THAT TITLE WAS STOLEN BY BREEDERS WHO WERE TERRORIZING ME ONLINE. THEY TOOK MY TITLE AND MADE UP SIMILAR DOMAINS AS MINE, PERHAPS WITH ONE LETTER DIFFERENCE SO THE WEBSITES LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE MINE. THEY USED THOSE WEBSITES TO TRICK PEOPLE TO THINK I OWNED THE SITES. WHEN CONSUMERS WHENT ONTO THOSE SITES THERE WAS ALL KINDS OF DEFAMATION POSTED ON ME BY THOSE BREEDERS.  THEY CREATED IMPOSTER SITES AND EVERY MONTH I HAD TO EMAIL WEBSITE COMPANIES TO NOTIFIY THEM THAT THE WEBSITES WERE NOT MINE BUT WERE PUT UP BY IMPOSTERS WHO WERE TERRORIZING ME ONLINE. THE WEBSITE COMPNAIES WOULD THEN  TAKE DOWN THE IMPOSTER WEBSITES.CYBERBULLIES MAKE UP LIES AND THEN THOSE NOWADAYS WHO READ THOSE OLD FAKE REPORTS JUST CHOOSE TO  BELEIVE THOSE FALSEHOODS  JUST SPREAD THE LIES AROUND. HASNT ANYONE NOTICED THAT YOU CAN WRITE ANYTHING ON THIS SITE? HASNT ANYONE NOTICED THAT IF YOU ARE SORRY YOU WROTE LIES ONE DAY THAT YOU CANT REMOVE YOUR POSTS?

HAS THE POSTERS FORGOTTEN ABOUT OUR CREATOR, OUR GOD JEHOVAH SPEAKS IN THE BIBLE ABOUT BEARING FALSE WITNESS.  LOOK UP THE VERSES IN THE BIBLE ON HOW GOD FEELS ABOUT LIARS. OUR GOD DETESTS LYING AND CLEARLY DETAILS THIS THROUGHOUT HIS BOOK THE BIBLE. SATAN THE DEVIL IS CALLED THE " FATHER OF THE LIE".  PERHAPS SOME HUMANS WRITING ON THIS FORUM NEED TO EITHER RETURN TO THE WAYS OUR GOD ASKS US TO TREAT EASCH OTHER OR TO NEELY  LEARN ABOUT GOD AND HIS MORAL ADVICE FOR US. BUT THEN AGAIN THE BIBLE  ( GODS WORD) CLEARLY STATES THAT IN THE LAST DAYS THE LOVE OF THE GREATER NUMBER WILL COOL OFF AND PEOPLE WILL BE LOVERS OF THEMSELVES, HAUGHTY, SELF ASSUMING..... IF YOU CARE AT ALL ABOUT THE RULES OUR HEAVENLY FATHER HAS MADE FOR MANKIND TO FOLLWW WHICH WAS SHOWN TO US AS AN  EXAMPLE JESUS CHRIST SHOWED US WHILE HE LIVED ON EARTH, THEN  DO NOT ALLOW THESE MALICIOUS POSTERS TO MISLEAD YOU AS THEN YOU TOO ARE A VICTIM OF THEIR LIES.LIES AFFECT MORE THEN THE TARGET OF THE BULLIES. LIES AFFECT CONSUMERS ARE ARE DECEIVED AND MISLEAD.

I WOULD NEVER SCAM ANYONE. ABOUT 12 LB CHIHUAHUAS IS A LIE. THERE ARE A COUPLE FOLKS MADE THAT THEIR CHIHUAHUAS WENT TO 4 OR 5 LBS AND MAYBE THEY ARE EMBARASSED TO POST THE TRUTH BECAUSE THEY WOULD LOOK BAD SO THEY MAKE UP A LARGE FIGURE LIKE 12 LBS?? OR THE POSTS ARE JUST MORE UNTRUTHS TO CAUSE ME HARM.

 I HAVE A CONSCIENCE TOWARD GOD. I HAVE LOST SO MUCH FAITH IN THE GOODNESS OF MANKIND DUE TO INTENSE ONLINE TERROR  AND HORRIBLE LIES MEANT TO RUIN MY CHARACTER .I HAVE BEEN SUBJECTED TO OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS TO CRUEL HATEFUL TREATMENT. BUT I FEEL IF GOD FEELS THAT THER ARE PEOPLE GOOD ENOUGH TO SAVE THEN WHAT RIGHT DO I HAVE TO LOSE FAITH IN HUMAN BEINGS? IT IS HARD THOUGH AS SO MANY HUMANS ARE SO UNKIND THESE DAYS AND  FREELY WITHOUT ANYT THOUGHT, WILLING TO CAUSE GREAT PAIN TO OTHERS.

 

DEBBIE

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#8 Author of original report

In response to Pattie

AUTHOR: kathryn - ()

I wrote the facts of the hell I dealt with in buying a puppy from Debra... Did what I write damage her reputation? Maybe some because it is horrible things she did. Was that my intent? No I wrote it because I wanted to warn others of the hell they would go through and the deception of paying such a high price for not a tiny chihuahua but a large (and extra large according to other peoples posts) chihuahua. The size chihuahua you could get in the pet store for 500. (or less) but the pet stores puppy would come with one of the series shots or all, microchiped and actual documentation of their shots and worming. Like I said I am not alone in this as you can see others have come forward about their experiences with Debra and her continual deception of the size (among other things) of her dogs. Im glad you had a good experience Pattie but you do not know my experience with Debra you were not there every thing I have said is true so to call me disgusting when I share my experience to try and help others...

 

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#9 Consumer Comment

munchkinland beware of size

AUTHOR: jane - ()

just wanted to add i too purchased a puppy from debra promised to be 4lbs fully grown. my chihuahua is now a year and are you ready for this...he is 12lbs!!! debra told me this has never happened to her before and it is so rare. guess not after reading the above report. i have a so called "teacup" weighing in off teh charts for a chihuahua! just wanted to add so you all can beware of what you will be getting for your high priced "teacup"

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#10 Consumer Comment

I love my baby even though her knees are in bad shape.

AUTHOR: tolstoy - ()

 I just thought I would add a comment.  I adopted a pup from Debra and at the first visit to the doctor, I was advised that her knees were in bad shape - it is a condition in smaller dogs called luxated patellar.  When I let her know, just to let her know that she is breeding pups with this condition and selling them at really high prices, she responded that she (th pup) would grow out of tha. I was floored because this condition only gets worse unless you have the surgery and creates a high degree of arthiritis as they age. You would think Debra would know this but she obviously thinks everyone else is stupid and wouldn't know that.  I let it go, I would think any responsible breeder would want to know that.  I wasn't asking for anything although I could have pursued her legally to get her to pay for at least some of her treatment since this was learned on her first vet visit.

She also told me that my pup would be three pounds - she is now 7 pounds. Debra plays games with people for sure.  She pretends to be an expert but I am not convinced - she is my fourth chihuahua in my life and she really doesn't get it.  Her prices are really high. I did some research and for that price, a person in the market for a champion chi pup that enjoys the show circuit should be paying that price, not someone looking for a companion pup especially when Debra misinforms her customers on many levels.

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#11 Consumer Comment

Munchinland experience was great

AUTHOR: Pattie - ()

Firstly I find it disgusting you would write what you did to damage someone's good reputation

I am a munch inland customer and will go back for my next chihuahua puppy.

Deborah is very kind and caring. The puppy we purchased is the most perfect and healthiest dog we've ever had. We met several of her puppies when we picked up ours and they were all well cared for and perfect. You really need to think before you write such untrue trash about someone.

You're disgusting.
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#12 REBUTTAL Owner of company

He took after Champion great grandparents.

AUTHOR: Maureen - (United States of America)

I caught his CHANGE IN CHARTING SIZE AND i told Kathryn to WAIT. I wanted Kathryn to WAIT. It was not my choice to ship the puppy to her I advised Kathryn to WAIT for a smaller puppy. SHE DIDN'T WANT TO WAIT.

My choice was not to send the puppy because the puppy had changed charting weight and I warned Kathryn about this and asked her to wait. Kathryn didn't listen to me. kathryn demanded i send the puppy. Kathryn attacks me same day she gets the puppy. Even though I had told her to wait and I didn't want to ship him.It was not my choice! What was I to do? Just not send him when she insisted I send him? I warned her he could stop at 4 lbs or could be more the that. I told Kathryn to WAIT. If you read her original letter above, you will see that she was sick of waiting, waiting, waiting..... She didn't listen to me. I knew he would be larger then she wanted and I did not want to send the puppy. Honestly I had no idea shed would be so cruel and malicious or I would have never sent him no matter what she said. It was a case of a puppy charting more and I tried to get Kathryn to wait for another puppy that would be smaller. She insisted I send him so I did. She got the puppy and said I was a Scammer and here is my letter trying to get him back. I never even wanted to send him in the first place. It is my job to monitor charting weights as puppies change charting weights as they grow. Charting weights are based on AGE and puppies grow a week older EVERY WEEK! I have puppies I sold charting 4 lbs at 8 weeks and by 3 month are charting 2- 3 ( so less ) they end up 2 lbs. I see they are charting smaller before they ship and the buyer is okay. But when you find a puppy charting MORE before they ship I always tell customers and give them the option to switch to another puppy as I did with Kathryn. It was my choice for her to wait. After she got the puppy, despite my warnings, she complained. i sent her this email.

Re: Charting Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:39 PM From: "Debra B" To: "Kathryn sitab" <(((REDACTED)))>

sorry he is weighing more then you wanted. Did you want to send him back to me and try for a smaller puppy? You would need to pay shipping here and shipping back of a new puppy. I will give you full credit 2000 and you would just pay shipping as no credit for shipping. Or I can give you 50 percent off another puppy. I place charting weight and it is all a good educated guess. I am accurate 90'percent or more of the time. Can't be accurate 100 percent unless I have a crystal ball. He could just stop fast And not go over 4 . Dad is only 2 1/2 and mom is 4. My pups tend to stop weight by 5 months but genes of distant relatives could cause a puppy to,be larger then parents or smaller then parents.

Deb

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#13 Consumer Comment

Munchkinland, Debra Bourassa

AUTHOR: M. - (United States of America)

I to am a supossed customer of Debra,I did use the word exceptional ,and I actually did borrow the word from Debra.But that's because I thought it approriate to describe my two little guys,although i'm not quite sure what vocabulary has to do with anything...

I would just like to state that i am a real customer of Debra ,and i am personally very pleased with both my pups from Debra.The first one was so awesome that I had to have another one.But even if my new guy get's up to 20lbs i wouldn't care,I will love him no matter what ,because I to know that nobody can predict the size of a pup 100% of the time!

I really hope you can get your issue resolved, and i would gladly help if I could,I think it's time to just forget about Mikey's size and just go on .You have a small chi now ,that's what you wanted.Your only hurting yourself by all your worrying over the small things,and thats taking away from your true happiness.Everyone deserves to be happy to the fullest,life is just to short to sweat the small stuff.Also Mikey looks like a very beautiful chi , I love his colors and also the flashy merle in the background!! Both are beautiful Dogs,you are very blessed.

IM sorry if i offended anybody,that was not my intention.Only wanted to point out I am a real customer,and not a supossed customer.And I to have a 7 lb Chi and he is still a very small dog. Thanks and good luck to all!!

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#14 Consumer Comment

Response to K

AUTHOR: EB - (USA)

Rest assured....I do not want to come to your house.  and I have no idea how or why you think having a play date with other dogs has any bearing on wheather or not that makes you a good person.  My response to you originally, was solely to voice my opinion that I had a much different experience than yours.  Since then, I felt it sad how you seem to keep harping on the size of your dog.  To me, and I'm sure whoever reads what you say, that only makes you sound quite shallow. 

And now, I will say further that I don't appriciate you insinuating that Debra and I are the same person.  I have met her only once.  Did it ever cross your mind that maybe it's hightly probable the reason WHY people are using the word "exceptional" in thier letters about their dogs is because they truely believe they are??!!  And for the final record, so that you do not try and twist anything that I say or mean,.....I am a customer who has bought the light-of-my-life puppy from Debra in early 2012, I have only met Debra one (1) time, Debra and I are not communicatig on what I write, and there is not one iota of belief that I have that I have been "scammed" or that Debra is in the business of not seling the highest quality puppies.  EB

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#15 Author of original report

EB

AUTHOR: kathryn - (United States of America)

EB you sound remarkably like Debra... how odd. Just like her she does not rebuke what I say and makes no try to prove otherwise only claims I am a bad person. I know how I sound like a person who has figured out a scam. I am not stating that it is possible to be 100% accurate... not at all. I am stating that Debra claims to have tiny "compact" puppies and she does not. Debra herself told me of other people who got a 6 lb large dog from her and were very upset (this was before I even got my puppy). I am not the minority. And I do LOVE Mikey no matter if he is big or small. That is not the issue here and you know it you/Debra ... thats all you have thats the only thing that cannot be proven without coming to my house. I can post the MANY photos I have of mikey and mikey and me together and mikey and my friends dogs having play dates but Im sure you will still say I am a cold heartless person. Anyways Debra is selling her dogs for high prices under the guise that they are xxx tiny... I have since found other breeders that sell small chihuahua's for much less. If I was wrong/lying she would have proof ... the proof being many more good references but she doesnt because so many are not happy... take note that many of her references have the word exceptional (as well as the rebuttals from supposed costumers here) in them... a word Debra likes to use.
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#16 Consumer Comment

Response to Kathryn

AUTHOR: EB - (USA)

Wow.  First, let me state that I AM a real customer and not a "supposed" customer as you so kindly made reference to in your last story.  Secondly, do you have any idea how you sound??  I'm pretty sure that it is common knowledge that it is impossible to be 100% sure about the growth-pace of any living being.  And if you know anyone (I will use people as my example to make it easier to understand) who has brothers and sisters from the same parents, it is often that they all are not the same height.  Myself as well as anyone else who reads your comments will most likely truely only feels sorry for the poor puppy you keep complaining about.  Maybe you should have purchased a stuffed toy from Toys-R-Us instead of a living, breathing being that has to live with someone who very much sounds incapable of giving them the love they need and deserve because they weigh more than what you want.??  If anything, I'm sure Debra will from now on, only do better research and not sell to superficial persons such as yourself.  EB, Central California

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#17 Author of original report

Debra's "Ultra" Chihuahua's

AUTHOR: kathryn - (United States of America)

He is now 7 lbs and almost 13 inches long. The rebuttals of supposed people who got a tiny dog from Debra... where is their reference on her reference page? In 2012 there is 4 references she also has some references mixed in the 2012 with no dates. She has 4 with a 2012 date even if the ones with no dates are from 2012 that makes it 6... for the whole year of 2012 she has a total of 6 references and I know she has sold over 30+ puppies this year... what does that tell you? I am including two pics to show the dog (Mikey) I bought from her is almost 13 inches long. Remember she says on her page that her dogs are more compact... she used to state actually measurements ex. A 12 inch long 2lb dog may weigh less but our 7 inch long 3 lbs dog is much smaller because our dogs are more compact. I just want to warn people that she is a scam she charges 1.900 (if they are older and havent sold) up to 5k+ for puppies she claims are smaller and they are not. Please take caution and really think about things. And for the record she did not tell me to wait for a smaller dog because she was telling me the whole time my dog was going to be 2 1/2-3lbs!!! only till the day he was actually flying did she state he MIGHT go to 4 lbs. Like I said he is now 7 lbs and almost 13 inches long and NOT done growing yet. In the pictures just for clarification the smaller chihuahua that is a meral beside Mikey (the black and white dog I got from Debra) the small meral is NOT from Debra she is from a honest breeder I found.
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#18 Consumer Comment

Debra Bourassa Munchkinland Chihuahua's

AUTHOR: M.Main - (United States of America)

I bought not only one but two chihuahua's from Debra.I purchased the 1st one a while back , he is almost 10 months old and is just a beautiful little guy with a great disposition.His last vet visit was a week ago and he is weighing in at 3.1 lbs . I loved him so much that I purchased another little guy from her,He has just been here a week ,his vet check was great , as was my first little guys. Vet said they were both excellent quality puppies!! My 2nd little man weighed in at barely a pound and he is 15 weeks old and same as the first he is equally of great disposistion!!! Im not trying to doubt anybody's opinion or experience, but mine was absolutely wonderful,and I personally would refer anybody interested in buying a chi to Debra for one of her exceptional chihuahua's .
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#19 Author of original report

Growing

AUTHOR: kathryn - (United States of America)

Took him in for his rabies shot today. Last shot untill next year! Today he weighed 6lbs and 4ounces he just keeps growing.
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#20 Author of original report

Im not going to fight

AUTHOR: kathryn - (United States of America)

I am not going fight I just wanted to tell everyone about my experience with Debra so others will know. Right before I put this report up I asked one more time about getting reimbursed especially since she has that new guarantee on her web page and she replied that that was a OPTION she didnt say yes Kathryn I can do that for you. She claims that she offered reimbursement before but she did not. She offered me credit for another dog :

 Re: Charting
Thursday, July
19, 2012 10:39 PM
From: "Debra B" <munchkinpups@aol.com>
To: "Kathryn sitab" <(((REDACTED)))>

sorry he is weighing more then you wanted. Did you want to send him back to me and try for a smaller puppy? You would need to pay shipping here and shipping back of a new puppy. I will give you full credit 2000 and you would just pay shipping as no credit for shipping. Or I can give you 50 percent off another puppy. I place charting weight and it is all a good educated guess. I am accurate 90'percent or more of the time. Can't be accurate 100 percent unless I have a crystal ball. He could just stop fast And not go over 4 . Dad is only 2 1/2 and mom is 4. My pups tend to stop weight by 5 months but genes of distant relatives could cause a puppy to,be larger then parents or smaller then parents.

Deb

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When she didnt offer to reimburse me again just last night and found out about my report here she proceeded to call me names stupid senseless etc then block my email THEN continue to send me emails (because why would I block her when she has blocked me I figured never to hear from her again) talking down to me and slinging insults.

I will not lower myself to her level of name calling and slinging insults... I am not going to drag this thing out I just wanted to show my proof what I have said to be true. I hope you really think before you deal with Debra. I hope my report helps save some people the emotional hell Ive gone through.
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#21 Consumer Comment

In response to letter written Sept. 10, 2012 regarding munchkinland pups and Debra

AUTHOR: EB - (USA)

Hello, I just read the letter dated Sept. 10th and I had such a completely different experience with the purchace of my puppy and Debra, that I wanted to write a response.

I began my search for a small puppy about a year ago.  (summer, 2011).  I was, at that time unsure which breed of puppy I wanted and was considering a Yorkie, because I have owned them before, or a Chihuahua, because my husband has owned many before.  I searched multiple breeders and visited countless websites.  I fell in love with the pictures posted of the Chi puppies on Debra's site "munchkinland" and began to email her regarding one of her puppies. 

After communicating with Debra via email, and then later by phone, I realized that she was the breeder that I had unquestionably chosen to buy my puppy from.  Not only was it evident that she cared for her puppies as much as one would care for their own children (which they are, in a way), she made me feel very peaceful about making a purchace over the computer, which I had never done prior to this.

I live about 5 hours from where Debra lives, and opted to drive there to pick up my new puppy rather than having her fly to me.  We met each other at her vets' office, which was very clean and updated, and it was evident that Debra and the staff had a very good repor.  My new puppy was fantastic on the way home, too!

The next few days following, I brought my new puppy to my vet for her first check-up, and I was so happy to hear my vet say, that I had purchased an "EXCEPTIONAL" puppy!  He said that it is not very often that one sees the full combination of great breeding quality, beautiful looks all along with such a sweet and well-mannered temperment.  He said the we got the whole package!  (She really is that stunning!)

We have had our newest addition to our family for about 5 months now, and I have never been so happy!  Wherever we go, I bring her with me and she not only attracts attention because of her beautiful looks, but then even more because she is so well behaved.  I credit Debra for all of that because it is Debra who not only is wise enough to breed so well, but she also gave her such a wonderful and loving start in life as a new puppy. 

I will also say, that if I ever choose to have another Chi, or if I know of a friend who is interested in one, I will without hesitation use Debra of Munchkinland pups.


EB, Central California



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#22 REBUTTAL Owner of company

I OFFERED THIS FAMILY A CASH REFUND MONTHS AGO BEFORE THE PUPPY WOULD BOND WITH THE FAMILY

AUTHOR: Debra - (U.S.A.)

 I OFFERED KATHRYN AND JACK BATIS OF WEST VIRGINA  A CASH REFUND MONTHS AGO. THEY SHOULD HAVE SENT THE PUPPY BACK MONTHS AGO. NOT WAIT UNTIL HE IS A TEENAGER AND ATTACHED TO HER FAMILY

First off I warned this family BEFORE THE PUPPY FLEW that he would be at least 4 lbs.
i TOLD KATHRYN SHE SHOULD WAIT FOR A SMALLER PUPPY. SHE REFUSED TO WAIT

KATHRYN WANTS TO BREED BUT I DID NOT THINK THAT SHE WOULD NOT LOVE THE PUPPY IF HE WENT A BIT OVER 4 LBS. I WOULD HAVE NEVER EVER SHIPPED HIM. REMEMBER I WARNED HER ABOUT HIS CHARTING AT LEAST 4 LBS. I SHOULD HAVE INSISTED SHE WAIT!!!

 I TOLD HER TO SEND HIM BACK MONTHS AGO WHILE HE WAS NOT YET ATTACHED TO HER

I FEEL I HAVE FAILED AS A BREEDER BECAUSE I SOLD HIM TO SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T LOVE HIM

HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SENT BACK MONTHS AGO BEFORE HE BONDED TO YOU KATHRYN!!!

IF THERE ARE BAD BREEDERS, THIS PROVES THERE ARE BAD BUYERS TOO

I WILL NO LONGER SELL PUPPIES TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BREED. EITHER THE FEMALE COULD BE TOO SMALL OR THE MALE TOO LARGE AND THESE PEOPLE DON'T LOVE THE DOG AS FAMILY

KATHRYN SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO ME AND WAITED FOR A SMALLER PUPPY IF SHE WAS NOT ABLE TO LOVE A PUPPY THAT WOULD GROW OVER 4 LBS. HE TOOK AFTER HIS CHAMPION GRAND PARENTS BECAUSE HIS PARENTS ARE ONLY 2 LBS ( SIRE) AND 4 LBS ( DAM)


I SENT DOZENS OF EMAILS OFFERING RESOLUTIONS TO THIS FAMILY

BUT WHEN I FOUND OUT I WAS DEALING WITH A COLD PERSON I WOULD NEVER SEND HER ANOTHER PUPPY SO I DECIDED TO DO CASH REFUND TO COVER THE COST OF THE PUPPY HIMSELF AND SOME SHIPPING COSTS TOO


From munchkinpups@aol.com
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Kathryn sitab
browneye_angel88@yahoo.com

The puppy you bought is 1500 plus 500 akc right  and 350 shipping ( his price INCLUDES EVERYTHING so this is a
breakdown)

I will give,you 1500 refund for the puppy if you send him back to me. I will help with the shipping. You pay for the flight and vet certificate ( 225 should be it)  I will pay the 150 to cora go get him from the airport here
and bring to me.

The refund is very fair considering I have lost out on selling him to a pet home where he would be welcome.
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