• Report: #66527

Complaint Review: National Savers Of Indiana

  • Submitted: Thu, September 04, 2003
  • Updated: Tue, September 09, 2003

  • Reported By:Bloomington Indiana
National Savers Of Indiana
8829 Boehning Lane Indianapolis, Kansas U.S.A.

National Savers Of Indiana ripoff: no savings, no service, NO REFUNDS Indianapolis Indiana

*Consumer Suggestion: Maybe it is time to consider a refund. Just what is their business for anyway?

*Consumer Suggestion: Maybe it is time to consider a refund. Just what is their business for anyway?

*Consumer Suggestion: Maybe it is time to consider a refund. Just what is their business for anyway?

*Consumer Suggestion: Maybe it is time to consider a refund. Just what is their business for anyway?

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When we recieved a letter saying that we had already won one of three prizes, we were curious. All we had to do was make an appointment to come and claim our prize.

When we got there, there were at least ten other families also waiting to claim their prizes.

As it turns out, the only thing we won was a sales pitch and a chance to win a car.

The group of families were shown many different types of products in various price ranges and shown how much they could save if they bought them through National Savers. There was testimony from happy customers who had purchased everything from sunglasses and pantyhose to furniture and roofing services.

Then each family was taken individually to discuss the terms of the contract and its benefits. It was a no-lose situation. If we puchased $2000 worth of merchandise and didn't save at least $2000 (big ticket items were not included in this guarantee), we would get our $2000 membership fee back.

We set up a payment plan and I called in for price checks on at least two items per week for six months. I was told that they either didn't supply those types of items or that the price wouldn't beat the price I gave them from the store in which I saw the item.

Without purchasing anything from them, I couldn't get my money back, but without saving money (actually paying more with S&H), there was no reason to order anything.

Each year there is a $75 renewal fee for membership. However, I have never gotton a bill for this fee AFTER the membership was paid off. So I paid $2000 for a membership and $150 for renewal during the time I was still paying the membership, but they didn't need any more money from me after that.

I guess they cancelled my membership. Or maybe if I called, they would be more than happy to tell me they can't beat the price I give them after I pay all the renewal fees I've missed.

Until I found this site, I thought they had worn out their welcome in Indiana and shipped out.

Maybe it's time they should.

Jennifer
Bloomington, Indiana
U.S.A.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 09/04/2003 07:33 AM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/National-Savers-Of-Indiana/Indianapolis-Kansas-46219/National-Savers-Of-Indiana-ripoff-no-savings-no-service-NO-REFUNDS-Indianapolis-Indiana-66527. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Consumer Suggestion

Maybe it is time to consider a refund. Just what is their business for anyway?

AUTHOR: Jacqueline - (U.S.A.)

This is not a very well established business. They are difficult to locate. Their contact information is unlisted, which is unprofessional and dishonest for legitimate business practice.

You should seriously consider requesting a FULL refund, in the form of a written letter. This should be mailed to the top management, certified and signature required. They have provided no service for you. What did you purhcase? Where is your product? What definate services did they provide? Nothing. They have to give you a refund, unless they can prove only in writing, with legitimate signatures from their recognized management, what services were provided. They simply didn't do anything for you that merits a $2000 fee. If so, prove it.

I need more information here. The address posted is untracable to any place of business. Period. There are reasons for why unorthodox businesses hide. They only reveal enough of themselves to take your money, and then hide for any other potential contact. There is no record of them at the onlineBBB, and they have not climbed on to the web with their alleged corruption. (Sometimes I wish they would, because they leave a trail.)

The evidence I found in a business background search, is that they have removed their contact information from most business online directories and online Yellow Pages, which is not good.

If they have any potential as a legitamate business, it could only be for the upper middle class, which would not request their service commonly; unless they had astronomical credit debt and back logged taxes. This service does not establish a legitimate marketable need. They are not capable of providing any savings. Join Sam's Club.

They have been around since the Eighties. They claim to cut the "Middle Man" out of your purchasing expenses, and possibly "Shipping", which might save you money. They want you to go directly to the "Wholesaler". It's not going to save you anything, not when you really need a bargain. You cannot know about the cost of living or market prices, in order to think their pretend savings plan works.

Dell and Gateway sell direct. Most people are familiar with them, but you can't just do this any and every business.

Established businesses are not going to let that happen, as you have proven, in your own research. Wholesalers make a better profit form multitudes through Walmart, Target, and the malls, etc. They have "legally binding contracts" and Federal Regulations to abide by. They are not going to play this little game, and burn their bridges in the established common market.

This is why you need to write an express Certified "Signature" required letter to the management, demanding a full refund for deceptive selling practices, and an alleged violation possibly defined by "False Representation Statues". You have to make it very clear that the 30 day refund time limit only applies to specific products and legal business operations. Their business might not fit into this category.

Don't be intimidated by contracts. Contracts can be nullified, in every State of the Union. If you have just cause, as you do, tear the dam contract in half (figuratively), it is not applicable to a business that took thousands from you, and then turns around and alienates you.

Now, for that letter, you should make an effective list of "cc"s--correspondance copies. These copies are to be sent to the necessary professionals who can help you collect your refund. These cc's should appear clearly and legible at the bottom of your letter.
Correspondance Copies List

1-A lawyer or attorney friend
2-The Federal Trade Commission
3-Indiana's Attorney General Steve Carter*
4-Rip-off Report EDitors and Staff
5-Indianapolis BBB
Do you get the hint? ;)

You don't have to type out the address for each and every one, but you should for the State Attorney General, and your Attorney friend. This is just so they know you have done your research.

Tell them you want no part of fraudualent practices of any kind, and you have no interest in determining the validity of their business. This is left to the legal authorities. You simply want the entitled refund of your hard earned money, and to get on with your life.

If they refuse to give you a refund, you will have to entertain the thought of Small Claims Court. This is still not enough for any other Circuit Court, just on collecting a refund alone. Start researching that possibility. Where would you file your claim? What information is necessary?

Of coarse, your "Terms of Aggreements" with them would have to be kept with your records, proof of payment, and any other receipts and tangible evidence which will support your case. You would have to state that you refuse to honor a contract, which was not maintained by the Provider of the said contract. They didn't do anything.

They don't even have a clear title for the name of their corporation. This could be an envelope stuffing scam just to look at the name alone. Just what is it that they do anyway? Emphasize this in your correspondance and possibly in Court, if necessary. You shouldn't have to go to Court. I think they'll give you your money back, because if they fought cases like this, then I would find a Litigation trail. Litigation records might be out there, but I need more contact informtion to make this determination.

I neeeeeed you to get back to us with more contact information. I would like to pursue this further, and look into the history of this corporation. They are a pain-in-the-a*s company, and I can't find much out there about them.

I noticed that you said they were from Indianapolis, Kansas. You have to mean Indiana. I found two other Reports here from the same person. Their address is identical to yours except for the "Kentucy" part. The zip code "46219" is definately for Indianapolis.

Let us know how this one turns out please.

*Indiana Attorney General Steve Carter
Indiana Government Center South, 5th Floor
402 West Washington Street
Indianapolis, IN, 46204
http://www.in.gov/attorneygeneral/

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#2 Consumer Suggestion

Maybe it is time to consider a refund. Just what is their business for anyway?

AUTHOR: Jacqueline - (U.S.A.)

This is not a very well established business. They are difficult to locate. Their contact information is unlisted, which is unprofessional and dishonest for legitimate business practice.

You should seriously consider requesting a FULL refund, in the form of a written letter. This should be mailed to the top management, certified and signature required. They have provided no service for you. What did you purhcase? Where is your product? What definate services did they provide? Nothing. They have to give you a refund, unless they can prove only in writing, with legitimate signatures from their recognized management, what services were provided. They simply didn't do anything for you that merits a $2000 fee. If so, prove it.

I need more information here. The address posted is untracable to any place of business. Period. There are reasons for why unorthodox businesses hide. They only reveal enough of themselves to take your money, and then hide for any other potential contact. There is no record of them at the onlineBBB, and they have not climbed on to the web with their alleged corruption. (Sometimes I wish they would, because they leave a trail.)

The evidence I found in a business background search, is that they have removed their contact information from most business online directories and online Yellow Pages, which is not good.

If they have any potential as a legitamate business, it could only be for the upper middle class, which would not request their service commonly; unless they had astronomical credit debt and back logged taxes. This service does not establish a legitimate marketable need. They are not capable of providing any savings. Join Sam's Club.

They have been around since the Eighties. They claim to cut the "Middle Man" out of your purchasing expenses, and possibly "Shipping", which might save you money. They want you to go directly to the "Wholesaler". It's not going to save you anything, not when you really need a bargain. You cannot know about the cost of living or market prices, in order to think their pretend savings plan works.

Dell and Gateway sell direct. Most people are familiar with them, but you can't just do this any and every business.

Established businesses are not going to let that happen, as you have proven, in your own research. Wholesalers make a better profit form multitudes through Walmart, Target, and the malls, etc. They have "legally binding contracts" and Federal Regulations to abide by. They are not going to play this little game, and burn their bridges in the established common market.

This is why you need to write an express Certified "Signature" required letter to the management, demanding a full refund for deceptive selling practices, and an alleged violation possibly defined by "False Representation Statues". You have to make it very clear that the 30 day refund time limit only applies to specific products and legal business operations. Their business might not fit into this category.

Don't be intimidated by contracts. Contracts can be nullified, in every State of the Union. If you have just cause, as you do, tear the dam contract in half (figuratively), it is not applicable to a business that took thousands from you, and then turns around and alienates you.

Now, for that letter, you should make an effective list of "cc"s--correspondance copies. These copies are to be sent to the necessary professionals who can help you collect your refund. These cc's should appear clearly and legible at the bottom of your letter.
Correspondance Copies List

1-A lawyer or attorney friend
2-The Federal Trade Commission
3-Indiana's Attorney General Steve Carter*
4-Rip-off Report EDitors and Staff
5-Indianapolis BBB
Do you get the hint? ;)

You don't have to type out the address for each and every one, but you should for the State Attorney General, and your Attorney friend. This is just so they know you have done your research.

Tell them you want no part of fraudualent practices of any kind, and you have no interest in determining the validity of their business. This is left to the legal authorities. You simply want the entitled refund of your hard earned money, and to get on with your life.

If they refuse to give you a refund, you will have to entertain the thought of Small Claims Court. This is still not enough for any other Circuit Court, just on collecting a refund alone. Start researching that possibility. Where would you file your claim? What information is necessary?

Of coarse, your "Terms of Aggreements" with them would have to be kept with your records, proof of payment, and any other receipts and tangible evidence which will support your case. You would have to state that you refuse to honor a contract, which was not maintained by the Provider of the said contract. They didn't do anything.

They don't even have a clear title for the name of their corporation. This could be an envelope stuffing scam just to look at the name alone. Just what is it that they do anyway? Emphasize this in your correspondance and possibly in Court, if necessary. You shouldn't have to go to Court. I think they'll give you your money back, because if they fought cases like this, then I would find a Litigation trail. Litigation records might be out there, but I need more contact informtion to make this determination.

I neeeeeed you to get back to us with more contact information. I would like to pursue this further, and look into the history of this corporation. They are a pain-in-the-a*s company, and I can't find much out there about them.

I noticed that you said they were from Indianapolis, Kansas. You have to mean Indiana. I found two other Reports here from the same person. Their address is identical to yours except for the "Kentucy" part. The zip code "46219" is definately for Indianapolis.

Let us know how this one turns out please.

*Indiana Attorney General Steve Carter
Indiana Government Center South, 5th Floor
402 West Washington Street
Indianapolis, IN, 46204
http://www.in.gov/attorneygeneral/

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#3 Consumer Suggestion

Maybe it is time to consider a refund. Just what is their business for anyway?

AUTHOR: Jacqueline - (U.S.A.)

This is not a very well established business. They are difficult to locate. Their contact information is unlisted, which is unprofessional and dishonest for legitimate business practice.

You should seriously consider requesting a FULL refund, in the form of a written letter. This should be mailed to the top management, certified and signature required. They have provided no service for you. What did you purhcase? Where is your product? What definate services did they provide? Nothing. They have to give you a refund, unless they can prove only in writing, with legitimate signatures from their recognized management, what services were provided. They simply didn't do anything for you that merits a $2000 fee. If so, prove it.

I need more information here. The address posted is untracable to any place of business. Period. There are reasons for why unorthodox businesses hide. They only reveal enough of themselves to take your money, and then hide for any other potential contact. There is no record of them at the onlineBBB, and they have not climbed on to the web with their alleged corruption. (Sometimes I wish they would, because they leave a trail.)

The evidence I found in a business background search, is that they have removed their contact information from most business online directories and online Yellow Pages, which is not good.

If they have any potential as a legitamate business, it could only be for the upper middle class, which would not request their service commonly; unless they had astronomical credit debt and back logged taxes. This service does not establish a legitimate marketable need. They are not capable of providing any savings. Join Sam's Club.

They have been around since the Eighties. They claim to cut the "Middle Man" out of your purchasing expenses, and possibly "Shipping", which might save you money. They want you to go directly to the "Wholesaler". It's not going to save you anything, not when you really need a bargain. You cannot know about the cost of living or market prices, in order to think their pretend savings plan works.

Dell and Gateway sell direct. Most people are familiar with them, but you can't just do this any and every business.

Established businesses are not going to let that happen, as you have proven, in your own research. Wholesalers make a better profit form multitudes through Walmart, Target, and the malls, etc. They have "legally binding contracts" and Federal Regulations to abide by. They are not going to play this little game, and burn their bridges in the established common market.

This is why you need to write an express Certified "Signature" required letter to the management, demanding a full refund for deceptive selling practices, and an alleged violation possibly defined by "False Representation Statues". You have to make it very clear that the 30 day refund time limit only applies to specific products and legal business operations. Their business might not fit into this category.

Don't be intimidated by contracts. Contracts can be nullified, in every State of the Union. If you have just cause, as you do, tear the dam contract in half (figuratively), it is not applicable to a business that took thousands from you, and then turns around and alienates you.

Now, for that letter, you should make an effective list of "cc"s--correspondance copies. These copies are to be sent to the necessary professionals who can help you collect your refund. These cc's should appear clearly and legible at the bottom of your letter.
Correspondance Copies List

1-A lawyer or attorney friend
2-The Federal Trade Commission
3-Indiana's Attorney General Steve Carter*
4-Rip-off Report EDitors and Staff
5-Indianapolis BBB
Do you get the hint? ;)

You don't have to type out the address for each and every one, but you should for the State Attorney General, and your Attorney friend. This is just so they know you have done your research.

Tell them you want no part of fraudualent practices of any kind, and you have no interest in determining the validity of their business. This is left to the legal authorities. You simply want the entitled refund of your hard earned money, and to get on with your life.

If they refuse to give you a refund, you will have to entertain the thought of Small Claims Court. This is still not enough for any other Circuit Court, just on collecting a refund alone. Start researching that possibility. Where would you file your claim? What information is necessary?

Of coarse, your "Terms of Aggreements" with them would have to be kept with your records, proof of payment, and any other receipts and tangible evidence which will support your case. You would have to state that you refuse to honor a contract, which was not maintained by the Provider of the said contract. They didn't do anything.

They don't even have a clear title for the name of their corporation. This could be an envelope stuffing scam just to look at the name alone. Just what is it that they do anyway? Emphasize this in your correspondance and possibly in Court, if necessary. You shouldn't have to go to Court. I think they'll give you your money back, because if they fought cases like this, then I would find a Litigation trail. Litigation records might be out there, but I need more contact informtion to make this determination.

I neeeeeed you to get back to us with more contact information. I would like to pursue this further, and look into the history of this corporation. They are a pain-in-the-a*s company, and I can't find much out there about them.

I noticed that you said they were from Indianapolis, Kansas. You have to mean Indiana. I found two other Reports here from the same person. Their address is identical to yours except for the "Kentucy" part. The zip code "46219" is definately for Indianapolis.

Let us know how this one turns out please.

*Indiana Attorney General Steve Carter
Indiana Government Center South, 5th Floor
402 West Washington Street
Indianapolis, IN, 46204
http://www.in.gov/attorneygeneral/

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#4 Consumer Suggestion

Maybe it is time to consider a refund. Just what is their business for anyway?

AUTHOR: Jacqueline - (U.S.A.)

This is not a very well established business. They are difficult to locate. Their contact information is unlisted, which is unprofessional and dishonest for legitimate business practice.

You should seriously consider requesting a FULL refund, in the form of a written letter. This should be mailed to the top management, certified and signature required. They have provided no service for you. What did you purhcase? Where is your product? What definate services did they provide? Nothing. They have to give you a refund, unless they can prove only in writing, with legitimate signatures from their recognized management, what services were provided. They simply didn't do anything for you that merits a $2000 fee. If so, prove it.

I need more information here. The address posted is untracable to any place of business. Period. There are reasons for why unorthodox businesses hide. They only reveal enough of themselves to take your money, and then hide for any other potential contact. There is no record of them at the onlineBBB, and they have not climbed on to the web with their alleged corruption. (Sometimes I wish they would, because they leave a trail.)

The evidence I found in a business background search, is that they have removed their contact information from most business online directories and online Yellow Pages, which is not good.

If they have any potential as a legitamate business, it could only be for the upper middle class, which would not request their service commonly; unless they had astronomical credit debt and back logged taxes. This service does not establish a legitimate marketable need. They are not capable of providing any savings. Join Sam's Club.

They have been around since the Eighties. They claim to cut the "Middle Man" out of your purchasing expenses, and possibly "Shipping", which might save you money. They want you to go directly to the "Wholesaler". It's not going to save you anything, not when you really need a bargain. You cannot know about the cost of living or market prices, in order to think their pretend savings plan works.

Dell and Gateway sell direct. Most people are familiar with them, but you can't just do this any and every business.

Established businesses are not going to let that happen, as you have proven, in your own research. Wholesalers make a better profit form multitudes through Walmart, Target, and the malls, etc. They have "legally binding contracts" and Federal Regulations to abide by. They are not going to play this little game, and burn their bridges in the established common market.

This is why you need to write an express Certified "Signature" required letter to the management, demanding a full refund for deceptive selling practices, and an alleged violation possibly defined by "False Representation Statues". You have to make it very clear that the 30 day refund time limit only applies to specific products and legal business operations. Their business might not fit into this category.

Don't be intimidated by contracts. Contracts can be nullified, in every State of the Union. If you have just cause, as you do, tear the dam contract in half (figuratively), it is not applicable to a business that took thousands from you, and then turns around and alienates you.

Now, for that letter, you should make an effective list of "cc"s--correspondance copies. These copies are to be sent to the necessary professionals who can help you collect your refund. These cc's should appear clearly and legible at the bottom of your letter.
Correspondance Copies List

1-A lawyer or attorney friend
2-The Federal Trade Commission
3-Indiana's Attorney General Steve Carter*
4-Rip-off Report EDitors and Staff
5-Indianapolis BBB
Do you get the hint? ;)

You don't have to type out the address for each and every one, but you should for the State Attorney General, and your Attorney friend. This is just so they know you have done your research.

Tell them you want no part of fraudualent practices of any kind, and you have no interest in determining the validity of their business. This is left to the legal authorities. You simply want the entitled refund of your hard earned money, and to get on with your life.

If they refuse to give you a refund, you will have to entertain the thought of Small Claims Court. This is still not enough for any other Circuit Court, just on collecting a refund alone. Start researching that possibility. Where would you file your claim? What information is necessary?

Of coarse, your "Terms of Aggreements" with them would have to be kept with your records, proof of payment, and any other receipts and tangible evidence which will support your case. You would have to state that you refuse to honor a contract, which was not maintained by the Provider of the said contract. They didn't do anything.

They don't even have a clear title for the name of their corporation. This could be an envelope stuffing scam just to look at the name alone. Just what is it that they do anyway? Emphasize this in your correspondance and possibly in Court, if necessary. You shouldn't have to go to Court. I think they'll give you your money back, because if they fought cases like this, then I would find a Litigation trail. Litigation records might be out there, but I need more contact informtion to make this determination.

I neeeeeed you to get back to us with more contact information. I would like to pursue this further, and look into the history of this corporation. They are a pain-in-the-a*s company, and I can't find much out there about them.

I noticed that you said they were from Indianapolis, Kansas. You have to mean Indiana. I found two other Reports here from the same person. Their address is identical to yours except for the "Kentucy" part. The zip code "46219" is definately for Indianapolis.

Let us know how this one turns out please.

*Indiana Attorney General Steve Carter
Indiana Government Center South, 5th Floor
402 West Washington Street
Indianapolis, IN, 46204
http://www.in.gov/attorneygeneral/

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