• Report: #196435

Complaint Review: Nationwide Annuity Leads

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  • Submitted: Wed, June 14, 2006
  • Updated: Fri, August 04, 2006

  • Reported By:Clarkdale Arizona
Nationwide Annuity Leads
10008 National Blvd Ste 202 Los Angeles, California U.S.A.

Nationwide Annuity Leads ripoff, scam/con artist. FRAUDULENT BUSINESS PRACTICES, unethical, LEADS DO NOT QUALIFY FOR THE CRITERIA HE SAYS HE USES. Los Angeles California

*Author of original report: Rebuttal to Robby Goldsmith's Rebuttal

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Christine in Arizona I TRIED to work with? Virginia Agent I HONESTLY NEVER did business with!

*Consumer Suggestion: You Should Be Cautious and Skeptical

*Consumer Suggestion: You Should Be Cautious and Skeptical

*Consumer Suggestion: You Should Be Cautious and Skeptical

*Consumer Suggestion: You Should Be Cautious and Skeptical

*Consumer Comment: You're not the first and you wont be the last

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DO NOT BUY LEADS FROM HIM YOU WILL THROW AWAY YOUR MONEY! He does not follow through with what he says. I blocked off time in my schedule for appts but did not receive any.

The one appt I did finally go on did not match the criteria he said that he used so it was a complete waste of time. He told me when I signed up that if I was unhappy he would refund my money and he told me after he knew I was unhappy that he would refund my money but I have not received a dime.

NOW, HE JUST HUNG UP ON ME! HE IS FULL OF BULL! The guy is a very smooth talker... DO NOT GET SUCKERED IN... HE LIES!!!!! I read the negative reports and he convinced me it was a case of mistaken identity and the other one was the guys fault.

What an idiot... I beleived him. I am sure he will say the same about me. PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN. GIVE YOUR MONEY TO REPUTABLE LEAD COMPANIES!!!!!

Christine
Clarkdale, Arizona
U.S.A.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 06/14/2006 04:28 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Nationwide-Annuity-Leads/Los-Angeles-California-90034/Nationwide-Annuity-Leads-ripoff-scamcon-artist-FRAUDULENT-BUSINESS-PRACTICES-unethical-196435. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Author of original report

Rebuttal to Robby Goldsmith's Rebuttal

AUTHOR: Christine - (U.S.A.)

Bullcrap!!! He did offer me my money back along with the list minus what the list cost (which I accepted) but never sent a dime. When I called to ask about the money he yelled at me and said he would send it when he was good and ready and hung up on me!!! He sent me on one unqualified appt after several weeks of promising appts and never following through. I have been in this business long enough to know you have bad leads, however, the criteria for which I paid for was not met and that was unacceptable along with the way in which Robby handled everything. After I placed my report, I heard from several other people who were ripped off so we can not all be wrong. I have repoerted him to the FBI and I do hope he gets what is coming to him. He is not honest and does not run a professional business.
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#2 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Christine in Arizona I TRIED to work with? Virginia Agent I HONESTLY NEVER did business with!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Unfortunately Christine upon sending in her Retainer Check, Received a Bad Lead, If Only Christine would have given us the benefit of the doubt, Maybe? Just Maybe the Next lead would have been Good....OK, Prospect did Not have the average Dollar Amount of Investable Assets.....

Keep in mind Initially when receiving Retainer Check from Christine She Decided to REWRITE the Agreement...Versus sending in the $975.00 the Initial Request by Nationwide Annuity Leads, Christine saw fit to send $875.00...OK, Not a big deal because a Typical Agent would Continue to run the Leads and have to come across a Prospect with the Average $100 Grand of Investable Assets...It is a Simple Numbers Game...

Christine Lost Control of her Emotions and right away looked upon me as a bad guy, I Continued to pursue the idea that the AGREEMENT has a Time Frame & You Must let it run its corse.......

Now I am here trying to pertect any credibility I might be able to earn? If you just keep in mind the idea that Anyone Running the Leads has to Expect some Bad Leads with the Good Leads.....Only in Christine's case She Blatantly did NOT give the Campaign a chance to work and was Nasty to me on the phone and I could Not Convince her that Some Leads are Good....

And in closing Christine would Not accept a Partial Refund Minus the List charge and take the list....She REFUSED to meet me half way....Now what do I do?

As for the Agent in Virginia, I have NEVER spoken to them and Furthermore I have NEVER been affiliated with any other Marketing Firm, Keep in mind at the time, the verbage on my web-site was Similar to my competitor..

This is The Honest Truth.. And I Invite anyone to meet with me on the PHONE & let me Share some Positive Testimonials that resulted in SALES, ETC....Robby Goldsmith @ 562-491-1991
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#3 Consumer Suggestion

You Should Be Cautious and Skeptical

AUTHOR: W - (U.S.A.)

Because the folks behind this rip-off are not dumb, nor are they amatures. Without disrespecting anyone reading this I'm comfortable saying these dude's know more about scamming than 75% of their 'clients' know about their own business. Don't underestimate them.

What am I saying? Simply this, if you run across a business, whether b/c of an ad in a national newspaper, or an inurance industry magazine, and the business name is different from any of the names listed here, and the individuals are using names other than Tyler and Tuna and Goldsmith . . .I'd still be skeptical.

The one thing I'd advise you not doing is reading the copy on their site, or talking to their reps, and concluding 'these folks are too professional to be a crook'. Mark is extremely smooth and knows our industry very well. I don't doubt that if he wanted to sell annuities that he could generate more premium than 90% of the agents currently in the biz.

While some of the stuff on some of the websites rumored to be linked to these scams is comical, much of it can pass for professional until someone catches on to the patterns in their presentation.

So what to do? Anticipate these folks staying around for quite some time, and anticipate their having immitators and such. I would go so far as to be highly skeptical of outsourcing appt setting.

I am inclined to believe that part of their sucess is that there are too many agents who dread cold call prospecting. Human nature is such that people will pay decent money for someone who promises to do what one is uncomfortable doing, and in a 'don't look a gift horse in the mouth' mindset, many wont scrutinize that promise or the person making them nearly enough.

I don't know if there is a reputable and fair dealing company that can and will do what the folks running these operations claim to do, but if I were in discussion with someone claiming to represent such a company I would expect him or her to be very much aware of the black eye Tyler and Tuna are giving the field. By aware I mean willing to help you over your distrust of them.

My approach may be to extreme for some, but I'll only do business with a third party appt setter if they're willing to assume the risk. My terms are that the company only recieves payment after I've arrived at the prospect's home or office and found the person prepared for a serious appointment. Only then does the appt setter get payment.

As for the scammers in question, not only do they fail to deliver solid and interested prospects, they so poison the person's mind such that the agent would get a more open minded reception if he'd cold knocked the residence.
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#4 Consumer Suggestion

You Should Be Cautious and Skeptical

AUTHOR: W - (U.S.A.)

Because the folks behind this rip-off are not dumb, nor are they amatures. Without disrespecting anyone reading this I'm comfortable saying these dude's know more about scamming than 75% of their 'clients' know about their own business. Don't underestimate them.

What am I saying? Simply this, if you run across a business, whether b/c of an ad in a national newspaper, or an inurance industry magazine, and the business name is different from any of the names listed here, and the individuals are using names other than Tyler and Tuna and Goldsmith . . .I'd still be skeptical.

The one thing I'd advise you not doing is reading the copy on their site, or talking to their reps, and concluding 'these folks are too professional to be a crook'. Mark is extremely smooth and knows our industry very well. I don't doubt that if he wanted to sell annuities that he could generate more premium than 90% of the agents currently in the biz.

While some of the stuff on some of the websites rumored to be linked to these scams is comical, much of it can pass for professional until someone catches on to the patterns in their presentation.

So what to do? Anticipate these folks staying around for quite some time, and anticipate their having immitators and such. I would go so far as to be highly skeptical of outsourcing appt setting.

I am inclined to believe that part of their sucess is that there are too many agents who dread cold call prospecting. Human nature is such that people will pay decent money for someone who promises to do what one is uncomfortable doing, and in a 'don't look a gift horse in the mouth' mindset, many wont scrutinize that promise or the person making them nearly enough.

I don't know if there is a reputable and fair dealing company that can and will do what the folks running these operations claim to do, but if I were in discussion with someone claiming to represent such a company I would expect him or her to be very much aware of the black eye Tyler and Tuna are giving the field. By aware I mean willing to help you over your distrust of them.

My approach may be to extreme for some, but I'll only do business with a third party appt setter if they're willing to assume the risk. My terms are that the company only recieves payment after I've arrived at the prospect's home or office and found the person prepared for a serious appointment. Only then does the appt setter get payment.

As for the scammers in question, not only do they fail to deliver solid and interested prospects, they so poison the person's mind such that the agent would get a more open minded reception if he'd cold knocked the residence.
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#5 Consumer Suggestion

You Should Be Cautious and Skeptical

AUTHOR: W - (U.S.A.)

Because the folks behind this rip-off are not dumb, nor are they amatures. Without disrespecting anyone reading this I'm comfortable saying these dude's know more about scamming than 75% of their 'clients' know about their own business. Don't underestimate them.

What am I saying? Simply this, if you run across a business, whether b/c of an ad in a national newspaper, or an inurance industry magazine, and the business name is different from any of the names listed here, and the individuals are using names other than Tyler and Tuna and Goldsmith . . .I'd still be skeptical.

The one thing I'd advise you not doing is reading the copy on their site, or talking to their reps, and concluding 'these folks are too professional to be a crook'. Mark is extremely smooth and knows our industry very well. I don't doubt that if he wanted to sell annuities that he could generate more premium than 90% of the agents currently in the biz.

While some of the stuff on some of the websites rumored to be linked to these scams is comical, much of it can pass for professional until someone catches on to the patterns in their presentation.

So what to do? Anticipate these folks staying around for quite some time, and anticipate their having immitators and such. I would go so far as to be highly skeptical of outsourcing appt setting.

I am inclined to believe that part of their sucess is that there are too many agents who dread cold call prospecting. Human nature is such that people will pay decent money for someone who promises to do what one is uncomfortable doing, and in a 'don't look a gift horse in the mouth' mindset, many wont scrutinize that promise or the person making them nearly enough.

I don't know if there is a reputable and fair dealing company that can and will do what the folks running these operations claim to do, but if I were in discussion with someone claiming to represent such a company I would expect him or her to be very much aware of the black eye Tyler and Tuna are giving the field. By aware I mean willing to help you over your distrust of them.

My approach may be to extreme for some, but I'll only do business with a third party appt setter if they're willing to assume the risk. My terms are that the company only recieves payment after I've arrived at the prospect's home or office and found the person prepared for a serious appointment. Only then does the appt setter get payment.

As for the scammers in question, not only do they fail to deliver solid and interested prospects, they so poison the person's mind such that the agent would get a more open minded reception if he'd cold knocked the residence.
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#6 Consumer Suggestion

You Should Be Cautious and Skeptical

AUTHOR: W - (U.S.A.)

Because the folks behind this rip-off are not dumb, nor are they amatures. Without disrespecting anyone reading this I'm comfortable saying these dude's know more about scamming than 75% of their 'clients' know about their own business. Don't underestimate them.

What am I saying? Simply this, if you run across a business, whether b/c of an ad in a national newspaper, or an inurance industry magazine, and the business name is different from any of the names listed here, and the individuals are using names other than Tyler and Tuna and Goldsmith . . .I'd still be skeptical.

The one thing I'd advise you not doing is reading the copy on their site, or talking to their reps, and concluding 'these folks are too professional to be a crook'. Mark is extremely smooth and knows our industry very well. I don't doubt that if he wanted to sell annuities that he could generate more premium than 90% of the agents currently in the biz.

While some of the stuff on some of the websites rumored to be linked to these scams is comical, much of it can pass for professional until someone catches on to the patterns in their presentation.

So what to do? Anticipate these folks staying around for quite some time, and anticipate their having immitators and such. I would go so far as to be highly skeptical of outsourcing appt setting.

I am inclined to believe that part of their sucess is that there are too many agents who dread cold call prospecting. Human nature is such that people will pay decent money for someone who promises to do what one is uncomfortable doing, and in a 'don't look a gift horse in the mouth' mindset, many wont scrutinize that promise or the person making them nearly enough.

I don't know if there is a reputable and fair dealing company that can and will do what the folks running these operations claim to do, but if I were in discussion with someone claiming to represent such a company I would expect him or her to be very much aware of the black eye Tyler and Tuna are giving the field. By aware I mean willing to help you over your distrust of them.

My approach may be to extreme for some, but I'll only do business with a third party appt setter if they're willing to assume the risk. My terms are that the company only recieves payment after I've arrived at the prospect's home or office and found the person prepared for a serious appointment. Only then does the appt setter get payment.

As for the scammers in question, not only do they fail to deliver solid and interested prospects, they so poison the person's mind such that the agent would get a more open minded reception if he'd cold knocked the residence.
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#7 Consumer Comment

You're not the first and you wont be the last

AUTHOR: W - (U.S.A.)

There are many many people who've dealt with Mark Tyler / Neil Tunafish / Robber Goldstein and have done plenty to spread the word . . .but its unlikely anything is going to change anytime soon b/c each week new agents are taken in by the claims they make, and because their opperations and the money involved is way too little for legal authority to come into the picture.

The only way agents can protect themselves from sharpsters who can change their name, change their pitch, change their DBA, and stay one step ahead of their bad rep is for agents to become more sophisticated and less trusting. Its my take that the people behind these scams (and FWIW Tyler and Robbie Goldstein opperate unconnected businesses . . they are not the same people, nor do they run the same company) enjoy being smarter, sharper and more solvent than many of the working agents . . .but darnit people, if something sounds too good to be true, more often than not it isn't true.

We need to pay more attention to what these folks claim they can do, IRT what they claim it will cost them (what they will charge you) to do it, and ask yourself . . .is this for real Also do your homework on them before cutting their check.

Because I doubt they will be going away until they stop finding victims.
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