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Complaint Review: Oliver Lee Memorial State Park

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  • Submitted: Wed, June 19, 2002
  • Updated: Thu, March 12, 2009

  • Reported By:Tempe Arizona
Oliver Lee Memorial State Park
409 Dog Canyon Road Alamogordo, New Mexico U.S.A.

OLIVER LEE MEMORIAL STATE PARK RIPOFF DECEITFUL SHAM AND SCAM TYPE ARTISTS Alamogordo New Mexico

*Consumer Comment: Exactly where's the ripoff, scam, or sham?

*Consumer Comment: No Rip Off Here!

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WE WERE NIN ALAMOGODO NM AND SAW THIS STATE PARK FROM THE HIGHWAY.

MY WIFE AND I DECIDED TO SEE WHAT IT WAS ALL ABOUT. IT WAS ALSO LISTED IN OUR ROAD ATLAS.

WHEN WE DROVE UP THE DRIVEWAY WE SAW A BOX AND A SIGN THAT INFORMS VISITORS THAT THE FEE MUST BE PAID AND PLACED INTO THIS BOX, BEFORE PARK ENTRY.

THEN STATEING THAT WE FILL OUT A TRIPLICATE RECEIPT AND $4.00 BE PLACED ITO AN ENVELOPE ATTACHED TO THIS FORM AND ONE COPY BE PLACED ON THE WINDOW OF THE CAR AND THE OTHER KEPT ON ONES PERSON.

ALSO THE SIGN STATED THAT IF CAUGHT IN THE PARK WITHOUT THIS RECEIPT A TEN-DOLLAR FINE WOULD BE ENFORCED.

WE PAID THE 4.00 THEN PROCEEDED TO THE VISITORS CENTER WHICH WAS A MERE 100 YDS UP THE ROAD AND AROUND A CURVE, NOT VISIBLE FROM THE ENTRANCE.

ON ENTRY INTO THE VISITORS CENTER THERE WAS A HUGE SIGH DISCLAIMING WARNING THAT THERE ARE MANY TYPES OF SNAKES ON THE PATH AND THEY ALSO SUGEST THAT ONE WARE HIGH BOOTS AND BE CAREFUL.

WE FOUND THAT THE PATH IS ONLY 3 FT WIDE WITH MANY PLACES FOR SNAKES TO HIDE FROM THE SUN. ROCKS BUSHSES ETC.

THERE IS ALSO A DROP OF 30 FT ON ONE SIDE WITH NO RAILING. IF ONE WAS TO BE STARTLED THEY COULD FALL AND BE FATALY INJURED.

WE COULD NOT FIGURE OUT WHY WE HAD TO PLACE THIS RECEIPT ON OUR CAR THERE WAS NO PLACE TO DRIVE AND WE WALKED UP THE PATH NO MORE THAN 10 FEET AND DECIDED IT WAS NOT WORTH THE AGRIVATION AND LEFT.

BEING IN BUSSINESS FOR 37 SEVEN YEARS I FEEL THAT A PERSON SHOULD BE INFORMED OF THIS BEFORE BEING FLEECED OF 4.00 DOLLARS.

THE 4.00 IS NOT MUCH AND I WAS MORE THAN WILLING TO PAY THE PRICE BUT PRINCIPAL DICTATES THAT I SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A CALL ON WETHER MY WIFE AND I WOULD WANT TO VENTURE INTO THE PARK WITH THE PREVAILING DANGERS.

FOR A STATE PARK TO PRACTICE DECEPTIVE PRACTICES USSUALLY DONE BY DECIETFUL SHAM AND SCAM TYPE ARTISTS.

A STATE PARK OF THE UNITED STATES SHOULD BE MORE DISCRETE AND PRACTICE FAIR BUSINESS.

THIS IS UNBECOMING OF A STATE OF THE UNITED STATES.

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#1 Consumer Comment

Exactly where's the ripoff, scam, or sham?

AUTHOR: Jeff - (U.S.A.)

I'm a California native, born & raised, and I hope the readers won't hold that against me. That said, I spent a considerable part of my youth in Alamogordo, and in the Sacramento Mountains. I learned at a young age how to catch LIVE rattlesnakes, and relocate them safely.

I've spent time at the Oliver Lee Memorial State Park, and I can tell you it's a wonderful place, and a great example of the New Mexico high desert. Unfortunately, it's a bit off the beaten path, so they don't get the visitors Yosemite does. It costs money to keep the roads in the park open, maintain the visitor center, etc. So exactly where is the ripoff? Your $4.00 ensures EVERYONE can enjoy the park. If you paid your $4.00, and left without getting the full benefit of the park, that's your fault. If $4.00 seems like a lot of money, I suggest that you not take a trip to places like Disneyland, etc. They charge considerably more than $4.00.

As with many things in life, there ARE dangers. Every time you get in a car, you take a small, calculated risk. Inattention behind the wheel and you could be killed! The same could be said of walking in the desert. Now, I don't recall seeing any 30-foot drop-offs at OLMSP. 12-foot maybe, but whatever. The drop-offs are not directly adjacent to the footpaths. I don't recall seeing railings along the busy streets in Los Angeles, either. A misstep there and a Greyhound could really ruin your day!

I'd prefer not having rails all over the place, spoiling the landscape. Besides, all that would do is protect those swimming in the shallow-end of the gene pool, and I feel we have too many as it is. A little natural-selection, now and then, can be a good thing.

Snakes live in the desert (including rattlesnakes). YOU are the visitor, so it's YOUR responsibility to be careful! Watch where you walk, and where you put your hands.
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#2 Consumer Comment

No Rip Off Here!

AUTHOR: Cathy - (U.S.A.)

Oliver Lee Memorial State Park is located in the high desert of southern New Mexico. Snakes, including rattlesnakes, are natural inhabitants of this entire area. Do not be surprised if you see one or angry if someone warns you about them. By the way, we also have scorpions, tarantulas, mountain lions and bears, among other wild beasts.

This beautiful park, nestled at the foot of the Sacremento Mountains, is well worth a $4 fee. Yes, there are three feet wide paths and even areas where there may not necessarily be a railing. If you think you may be startled by a rattlesnake and fall down the canyon, perhaps you should not go there. (You might not want to visit the Grand Canyon, either. It's not completely railed.) Stick to the trails with railings. (Don't touch the cactus, they have stickers.)

If you would like to enjoy the natural enchanted beauty of southern New Mexico, perhaps you should come prepared to spend the night. The starlit skies are gorgeous, the sunrise is stupendous and the sunset is breathtaking. Even the snakes agree.
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