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Complaint Review: PMI- Professional Marketing International, PMI Coaching

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  • Submitted: Wed, December 29, 2004
  • Updated: Sat, January 08, 2005

  • Reported By:Arlington Washington
PMI- Professional Marketing International, PMI Coaching
360 S Technology Court Lindon, Utah U.S.A.

PMI - Professional Marketing International - PMI Coaching - ITC-Internet Treasure Chest - IDI - IDIGlobal Ripped Off for over $10,000 and hundreds of hours of useless work Ripoff Lindon Utah
*UPDATE ..Rip-off Report Investigation - PMI - Rip-off Report gives PMI a positive rating after Professional Marketing International declared its goal to achieve total customer satisfaction & excellent customer service - PMI claimed & continues to demonstrate its sincere desire to clear up any unresolved matters & safeguard against similar issues in the future. We discovered many complaints filed against PMI were meant for another company with a similar name.

*Author of original report: UPDATE- REFUND GRANTED BY PMI!!

*Consumer Suggestion: Don't think you can't be a fraud victim.

*Author of original report: Read This Rebuttal. Everything You need to know Before It's too late!!

*Author of original report: Read This Rebuttal. Everything You need to know Before It's too late!!

*Author of original report: Read This Rebuttal. Everything You need to know Before It's too late!!

*Consumer Suggestion: Need help making a website? Got an extra $10,000 to give away? Then, these crooks have got a deal for you!

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For the record I have included ITC and IDI in this report because they were accomplices and I feel they need the same exposure that PMI deserves on this.

Okay- ITC passed me on to PMI after soaking me for as much as they dared to try, then I paid another $6,435.00 for a different coach and three pieces of paper stating I owned 4 Banners @$400.00, 115,000 impressions @$3,450.00 and 2 showcases @$1,990.00 totalling $5,840.00. I'll get back to this amount in a moment.

I recieved a call by an individual about 9 months ago that wouldn't claim that he was with PMI or ITC but wanted to know the nature of my most recent calls to these companies about a refund. We spoke for about 35 minutes, I stated my case, and then he said he would see what he could do. Not being persistent, I waited patiently for a call that I would never recieve.

Since then I found this site and realized there are many victims with the same problem as I. I have made 20 calls to PMI and ITC in the last three weeks including numerouse emails stating my case and what I was asking for. Only when I threatened to file reports did I get a response. PMI wanted to give me more coaching sessions, I denied, ITC said they were looking into it, and for the last two weeks they pretty much ignored me untill 48hrs ago I called and spoke to Shannon Tolley of PMI and I told him I was going to begin filing reports on PMI. He asked for 48hrs...Here I am, never got the phone call.

My request for a refund simply stated that three products I purchased from PMI were not used during the coaching of my website nor was I instructed to use them. This would be the banners,impressions, and showcases. This came to a total of $5,840.00 and was my request for re-imbursement. In an email addressed to Mr. Tolley, and the CEO of both PMI and ITC that I am only requesting the refund of products not used, but if they insist on not honoring the refund I will included the total amount of my loss in all my reports filed against them.

I gave them nearly two years of my time and over $10,000 of my hard earned money only to get cheated by their business. Time is up Shannon Tolley and PMI. I have been patient with PMI and gave plenty of room and time for PMI to come up with something. For my efforts and loss of time I have had to use persuing this refund; I am filing my total loss to the appropriate organizations. I am filing for expenses directly related to this matter.

ITC sign-up $1,995.00
PMI-coaching $595.00
banners
showcases
Impressions $5,840.00
Domain name $134.94
Business Lic. $$25.00
ITC dues $308.95
web pos gold $299.00
search eng submits
overture/inktomi
kanoodle/go toast $788.00
Meridian 1 $219.35
Card service int. $840.00

Total with reciepts= $11,045.24

20 calls @$200/hr $400.00
prep for filing and research
16hrs @$200/hr $3200.00

total filed for claim $14,645.24

*This claim will increase as do the hours I have to spend chasing down my refund.

To anyone reading this report. I will gladly take part in any class action lawsuit against PMI.

PMI could have totally avoided this by simply paying back the unused portion of service they billed me for but never used! They have refunded dozens of people just on this site alone, not including those who didn't file here!

DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THIS COMPANY!!!

Wayne
Arlington, Washington
U.S.A.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 12/29/2004 07:08 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/PMI-Professional-Marketing-International-PMI-Coaching/Lindon-Utah-84042/PMI-Professional-Marketing-International-PMI-Coaching-ITC-Internet-Treasure-Chest--124962. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Author of original report

UPDATE- REFUND GRANTED BY PMI!!

AUTHOR: Wayne - (U.S.A.)

Though it took some time to look into the facts surrounding my claim for a refund of products not used, PMI has honored a full refund!!

After speaking to Shannon Tolley of PMI in great length I had come to understand why my particular claim needed such time to investigate. I have no further claim or ill mention of PMI or their companies mentioned in my report. I am completely satisfied with the outcome of this matter and consider it put to rest. Thank you PMI and Shannon Tolley for looking into this matter and deeming it justified for a refund.
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Don't think you can't be a fraud victim.

AUTHOR: Paul - (U.S.A.)

The ideal victim for this web counseling con is somebody who is desperate to make more money. Either they are trapped in a dead-end job with no future. Or, even worse, they were laid off after their company went out of business.

But, the frauds find lots of other victims as well.

Like this man above. He's smart. A business owner already. He apparently understands how to make money.

But, he had one need that left him vulnerable to these frauds.

He couldn't make his own web site. Or, he chose not to. Either way, it opened the door for these crooks to cheat him out of his money.

You don't have to be dead broke, or deaf, dumb, and stupid. Granted, those people make good victims. But, the frauds are sophisticated enough to cheat smart people too.

In fact, some of the best victims are business people who trust other businesses. They make deals often. Most companies live up to what they claim. The victim has no reason not to believe this company won't do the same. You are vulnerable if you trust others based on a superficial analysis.

Remember, frauds play the part well. They got plenty of money to spend on an award winning performance. Some will show you beautiful web site examples, if that's what it takes to convince you.

Let's look at the traits that make you vulnerable.

1-Have a need for the fraud's claimed service
2-Reasonably trusting of others
3-A desire to enter the market the frauds claim expertise in
4-A desire for supplemental or replacement income
5-The ability to fund or finance the purchase
6-Busy enough to delegate the job to the fraudulent company

Many, many people fit into these categories. So, what can you do to keep from getting cheated?

One thing always works here. Refuse to pay in advance. You see, frauds have no intention of ever delivering a legitimate product. So, naturally, they have no choice but to demand payment in full, in advance.

When you insist on paying when they have made you a web site, you'll quickly be ignored and forgotten. If you offer to pay a small amount as you receive each counseling session, again, that will not allow them to cheat you.

In order to make secure purchases, you must always walk away with equal value. You never pay all in advance, and then trust that someone will deliver as promised. You always walk away with $10,000 in product or service after you leave $10,000 in money behind.

Watch out who you trust. Blind, or misplaced trust is all it takes to set yourself up for this kind of fraud.
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AUTHOR: Wayne - (U.S.A.)

Thank you Paul for the comments. It's hard to be refered to as the example, but if it helps others to not get ripped off like I have then so be it. You are dead on with these type of companies tactics. However, In my case I wasn't working dead end jobs or "down and out". I do own a business that is doing well but leaves me with alot of time on my hands. When this Particular idea was presented to me I was looking to capitalize on my free time; something to do when I was not tending to my other business. All my research was about the growth and probabilities of the internet and not where it should have been; on the company I was to entrust over $10,000 in. As I told PMI and ITC, I am not a quitter. The same goes for this refund; I will dedicate as much time as I have to, to see this thing through. I am not a quitter, Even if it costs me another $10,000 to prove this. I have given PMI more respect than was deserved, and recieved no respect in return. Take my advice, don't send flowers, send them a copy of your own rippoffreport to them. I wasted nearly a year trying to do things the "respectful way". They don't care, they will just use stall tactics.
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AUTHOR: Wayne - (U.S.A.)

Thank you Paul for the comments. It's hard to be refered to as the example, but if it helps others to not get ripped off like I have then so be it. You are dead on with these type of companies tactics. However, In my case I wasn't working dead end jobs or "down and out". I do own a business that is doing well but leaves me with alot of time on my hands. When this Particular idea was presented to me I was looking to capitalize on my free time; something to do when I was not tending to my other business. All my research was about the growth and probabilities of the internet and not where it should have been; on the company I was to entrust over $10,000 in. As I told PMI and ITC, I am not a quitter. The same goes for this refund; I will dedicate as much time as I have to, to see this thing through. I am not a quitter, Even if it costs me another $10,000 to prove this. I have given PMI more respect than was deserved, and recieved no respect in return. Take my advice, don't send flowers, send them a copy of your own rippoffreport to them. I wasted nearly a year trying to do things the "respectful way". They don't care, they will just use stall tactics.
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AUTHOR: Wayne - (U.S.A.)

Thank you Paul for the comments. It's hard to be refered to as the example, but if it helps others to not get ripped off like I have then so be it. You are dead on with these type of companies tactics. However, In my case I wasn't working dead end jobs or "down and out". I do own a business that is doing well but leaves me with alot of time on my hands. When this Particular idea was presented to me I was looking to capitalize on my free time; something to do when I was not tending to my other business. All my research was about the growth and probabilities of the internet and not where it should have been; on the company I was to entrust over $10,000 in. As I told PMI and ITC, I am not a quitter. The same goes for this refund; I will dedicate as much time as I have to, to see this thing through. I am not a quitter, Even if it costs me another $10,000 to prove this. I have given PMI more respect than was deserved, and recieved no respect in return. Take my advice, don't send flowers, send them a copy of your own rippoffreport to them. I wasted nearly a year trying to do things the "respectful way". They don't care, they will just use stall tactics.
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Need help making a website? Got an extra $10,000 to give away? Then, these crooks have got a deal for you!

AUTHOR: Paul - (U.S.A.)

This is the web site counseling con.

Here's how it works. The frauds find people who have absolutely no business or internet skills. Naturally, smart people go to the local library and learn about web sites before they try to make them. The frauds skip the smart people. They only go after the ones who can't figure out anything for themselves.

They find people who are desperate to make money on the internet. People who are trapped in dead end jobs, or people who have been laid off make perfect victims.

Next, they promise the victim that they will help set up a web site that makes them tons of money. Naturally, you need to pay for this in advance. It costs thousands of dollars. But, the victims always fall for the promise of easy money. With no business experience and no web experience, it's like taking candy away from a baby.

Most of the people are desperate to find a new income. They willingly give away all the money they have saved up. As you see above, the frauds come up with one reason after another to bleed the victim dry. First, it's domain names, then search listings, then advertising banners. The list goes on as long as your money lasts.

Now, all this is done over the phone. They set up counseling sessions with you. Naturally, nothing ever gets accomplished. How in the hell can someone help you over the phone? They can't see your computer.

As crazy as this sounds, the victims fall for it every time. Remember, they are desperate. Trapped in a low paying job. Some have no job anymore. The frauds are the only one to offer any help. The victims fall hook, line and sinker, every time.

Basically, the frauds bleed the victims dry. Then, dump them off when the money runs out. No more coaching, no more help, no more advice. Actually, there is never any real help to begin with. Each coaching session turns into a sales pitch. After you're in for $5,000 you don't want to back out now. So, they follow it right down into the toilet. Once your money runs out, the frauds hit the flush lever. Whoosh, you go down the drain with the rest of the crap.

Meanwhile, they've got hundreds of new suckers lined up and waiting. They find people by advertising in newspapers and magazines. They buy lists of suckers from other con artists. They hold seminars in hotels. They search out the people with no skills and take them to the cleaners.

Naturally, nobody ever gets a dime back. The con stretches out for months. Your check cleared their bank long ago. Your credit card was charged way back when. There is no reversing anything. Most of the victims refuse to admit they have been taken. Remember, they are even more desperate now. Before, they at least had some money to fall back on. Now, that's all gone.

Like this person, they go on for a while thinking they will sue or scare the frauds into a refund. Naturally, the frauds just laugh at all this. Victims make all kinds of noise. Huffing and puffing. Cursing on the phone. The frauds just reject their email. They hang up on their phone calls.

After a while, it all sinks in. For some it takes weeks. Others keep hoping for months. Some victims go to lawyers. Even if you could win a suit, the frauds would just go bankrupt. They change names every once in awhile to keep the con fresh.

Based on his complaint, it looks like they are setting up this man for the reload con. That's when a new fraud buys your name and number. He offers to get all your money back, and some more besides. You guessed it. You just need to send him $1,000 more to investigate. He even offers to get that fee back for you. The reload con will string you along as long as your money holds out. Some victims pay thousands more. The investigator is always right on their trail. When your money runs out, the investigation ends. It's all your fault, because you couldn't afford to continue.

Even then, it doesn't end. Your name is sold to a new crook. He'll call in a month or two. He gives you time to save up more money. He'll come up with a new scheme for you. Naturally, this one is guaranteed to succeed. I have seen people who never seemed to wise up. Old, broke, and still sending away their social security money.

The web site counseling con usually comes from Utah. The frauds divide the country up. All the web counseling cons are based in Utah. The magazine fraud calls Florida home. It's funny how this works.

Anyway, the way to avoid this is to check your local library for the information you need. Never pay thousands to some fraud you found in a newspaper or on the internet. Sure, they sound smooth and convincing. But, read the story above again. Think this man got a good deal? Do you see him making millions anytime soon?

As a general rule, think long and hard before you commit to anything that costs thousands. Research it. Ask friends or relatives. Talk with others who have actually done what you are going to attempt. How did they do? If in doubt, pass. Trust me, when you have a gut feeling, trust it. More people have lost money because they refused to go along with their instincts.

It takes the victims years to save up the money they throw away in an instant. Don't let this happen to you. Your local library has all the information you will ever need. All you need to do is use it.
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