• Report: #712191

Complaint Review: Picture Perfect Boxers - Billy Thomas

  • Submitted: Wed, March 30, 2011
  • Updated: Fri, May 18, 2012

  • Reported By: Steven — overland park Kansas United States of America
Picture Perfect Boxers - Billy Thomas
705 Hoffman St. Leadwood, Missouri United States of America

Picture Perfect Boxers - Billy Thomas Billy Thomas Unethical - FRAUD - SEX OFFENDER Leadwood, Missouri

*Consumer Comment: In defense of Billy

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Once again....Lies

*Consumer Comment: Kat at Home Place Boxers

*General Comment: When are the lies going to stop....?

*Consumer Comment: Stop This Man - Pea ridge (United States of America)

*Consumer Comment: Why stop this man

*Consumer Comment: Lier

*Consumer Comment: Sorry Billy

*Consumer Comment: Sorry Billy,Not Really

*Consumer Comment: I am so Sorry

*Consumer Comment: Sorry Billy

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: typo

*Consumer Comment: 2 : irondog

*Consumer Comment: What's the point?

*General Comment: What's the point?

*Consumer Comment: Always has to be Billy

*Consumer Comment: deceased ex wife Astoria London

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Really?

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Know the Law

*Consumer Comment: Billy is the sole owner of Kodak

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Contract

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Keith

*Consumer Comment: You all just don't get it do you

*Consumer Comment: More lies To fed

*Consumer Comment: More lies

*Consumer Comment: MRSOSO

*Consumer Comment: up date defence of Billy

*General Comment: To SLD...

*Consumer Comment: In Defence of Billy

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: mrsonso

*Consumer Comment: regarding the defense of Billy

*Consumer Comment: Untrue allegations

*General Comment: In Billy's defense...

*Consumer Comment: In defense of Billy

*Consumer Comment: here is your report

*Consumer Comment: In defense of Billy

*Consumer Comment: In defense of Billy

*Consumer Comment: In defense of Billy

*Consumer Comment: re update on defense of Billy

*Consumer Comment: up date defence of Billy

*Consumer Comment: In defense of Billy

*General Comment: Take care of your own!

*Consumer Comment: regarding the last comment on retraction to Christine

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: retraction to Christine Shackelford

*Consumer Comment: RE: retraction to Christine

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: retraction to Christine Shackelford

*Consumer Comment: AKC Rules and regulations comment

*General Comment: AKC Rules & Regulations

*Consumer Comment: Mr Hillbilly

*UPDATE Employee: I was never on here until this happen lies all lies about me

*General Comment: retraction by Billy

*UPDATE Employee: retraction on paw print boxers

*Consumer Comment: The White Fight Continues: Exposing The Fools

*UPDATE Employee: PawPrint Boxers is a lair

*General Comment: re: wrong again

*Consumer Comment: Billy Thomas and stolen images

*UPDATE Employee: Wrong again Sanda Dunn

*Consumer Comment: You do not know what you are talking about

*Consumer Comment: The White Fight Continues: The Exposure Saga!

*General Comment: regarding "last post about..."

*UPDATE Employee: My last post on here about me ,

*UPDATE Employee: You all are full of crap

*Consumer Comment: Recant prior post

*Consumer Comment: There is always more on BT

*Consumer Comment: Regarding the Boxer called Kodak

*Consumer Comment: This consumer is correct about Billy Thomas

*General Comment: Be careful of this email address

*UPDATE Employee: You a lying and you know it

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: bad man

*UPDATE Employee: Here is What I will Do

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Post it Up or Shut Up

*Author of original report: My experience was BAD...... It WAS!!!!

*Consumer Comment: So fake

*Consumer Comment: E-mail me what you have

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: You are a lair

*Author of original report: my experience was horrible

*Consumer Comment: One of the most honest breeders there is

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Steven (overland park Kansas You are a liar are should I say Amanda

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: You are a liar

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To whom it may concern,

My family began searching for a dog to make our home complete. Our son would always want a puppy when we would visit at local pet stores.  After debating for months we decided to research breeds that would fit our family and lifestyle. We decided that a boxer was perfect!
We got in touch with Mr. Thomas from Picture Perfect Boxers who seemed to have a lot of knowledge and we proceed to send him a deposit for a puppy.

We later find out that he lied to us stating the puppies father was a champion "kodiak" and we never received copies of any health testing on either parent even after we purchased the puppy.

Despite all this our little boy was set on a puppy so we went thru with the purchase. We picked up our puppy at  Mr Thomas house. I must say, he had several dogs and multiple breeds. Many more dogs than he proclaimed. My wife was in shock. We thought we had done all the proper research to ensure we were buying from a responsible and reputable breeder and not some puppy mill.  Thinking we might be over reacting a little we tried to remain positive.
He brought out our puppy and I was shocked to see his coat was very dull and he seemed quite small for a 9 week old puppy.  I still thought I would wait for a veterinarian to evaluate his condition.
We left the Mr. Thomas's home and headed back home. The next morning we took our puppy to the vet.
This is what they tell us
The puppy weighed 4.3 lbs
Full of hook worms and giardia
Grade 4 heart murmor
1 t******e present (we were going to fix him so this wasn't a huge deal to me)
Coat was dry and dull
After a 200 dollar vet visit and several things wrong, I told my wife I would contact Mr. Thomas
He proceeds to have all these excuses and wouldn't take the puppy back.  It was the worst experience I have ever had with an individual.

I stumbled across this site searching for another boxer breeder because our puppy from Mr. Thomas died just shy of 15 months from cardio (heart)
I felt compelled to share my story in hopes of saving another family of such heartache as our family.

When I contacted the BBB in regards to this person they assisted me and in turn have found out
that this man has quite the criminal back ground.  Numerous forgery charges, assault, and registered sex offender!
When my wife read this she literally puked. My god, we had our 5 year old son at his home!

In conclusion
Do your homework when buying a puppy. A person sales pitch on the phone may be good but I encourage you to check references.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 03/30/2011 08:54 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Picture-Perfect-Boxers-Billy-Thomas/Leadwood-Missouri-63653/Picture-Perfect-Boxers-Billy-Thomas-Billy-Thomas-Unethical-FRAUD-SEX-OFFENDER-Leadw-712191. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Consumer Comment

In defense of Billy

AUTHOR: keth_james - (USA)

I have read all these Billy has post proof that he never sold a puppy to Steve there is proof about Brock Rowenton there is proof about about Besten boxers,I still see no proof of What this was put on here to sart with now Steve if you got a puppy post your proof you bought one,There is no proof that Billy has stolen pictures of dogs on his web site,All dogs on his web site belongs to him so were is the proof and the point of this ,Now when I read about Euro Dream Boxers I see all the proof that what she has done to him and other people is there so ,Whats up with all this?
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#2 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Once again....Lies

AUTHOR: Kathy - (United States of America)

I know who you are talking about.  You better get your facts straight.  
You are talking about a puppy (under 4 months old) that I sold to Amber.  "Glory" who is full sister to Dunnfords Dallas. 
I had problems with Amber not complying with the contract.  She bred Glory at 12 months.  The contract stated, amoungst other things, that Glory was not to be bred until the age of two years and only after health testing was completed.  She went on to breed her a second time, once again before health testing. Those are the only two litters that I know of.  She eventually did comply with that part of the contract and Glory was OFA'd.  OFA website can verify that.  Her pedigree is also listed on World Pedigree for all to see.  Glory was thoroughly trained by Amber as a service dog and is titled as such.  Amber had that information on her website.  She was eventually placed with an individual who desperately needed her service.  Amber took good care of this pup from what I know during the four years that she had her.  Amber has also kept her in her name and monitors the home she was placed in.
Amber did not finish paying for her and I did have a problem with that.  I DID NOT have anyone call her, especially under false pretense.  In fact she was not called at all. 
Every one that knows me, knows that I retired in MN and moved to Idaho to be close to my kids and grand kids.  It had nothing to do with my dogs.  YOUR ACCUSATIONS ARE TOTALLY ASSININE.
I don't keep files on anyone.  I do keep very detailed records on my dogs.  However, I do have a file of BT lies and threatening emails.  I have never cheated anyone and never will. 
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#3 Consumer Comment

Kat at Home Place Boxers

AUTHOR: keth_james - (USA)

Billy has a copy of the papers and the pedigree of the boxer you sold to a lady name Amber all the vet reports. Even knows you had friends call and act like attorneys to try to tell her she was going to get sued for having the female spayed,You have a folder on her like you do on everyone you have cheated. your Liston girl bred her to death a though her away,Now Billy is trying to stay out of all this.

   When he reads this he will post the copy of vet reports the copy of the papers which shows you as the breeder and seller ,So I think its best you stay out of this. The reason you keep moving west is because you can not sell any dogs to people in the east they have your number you are a chaet and a lying breeder and it can be proved.
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#4 General Comment

When are the lies going to stop....?

AUTHOR: Kathy - (United States of America)

" As for as Dean he plays both sides ,Just like Kat at Home Place Boxers,I know a breeder in Florida,She sold a year and half old female too,Have the e-mail from her on how bad the dog was lied about her pedigree,"
FYI, I have never sold a 1 1/2 year old b***h to anyone in Florida.  Not ever.  I have never falsified information on any pedigree...  NOT EVER.  I have never placed a "bad" dog, EVER.    Why do you keep pulling people into this crap?  Nothing but LIES!
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#5 Consumer Comment

Stop This Man - Pea ridge (United States of America)

AUTHOR: Michael R. Terrian - (United States of America)

Pea,

Thank you.

As for the person using my name in the author spot in his profile I will be talking to the authorities and pursuing legal action.

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#6 Consumer Comment

Why stop this man

AUTHOR: keth_james - (USA)

From what I hear about you ,You take up a lot of space,Now I am going to post a picture of the Dog Billy sold you,and I want everyone to take a close look at her and tell us she is sick,You lady look at her and say this is not the dog you bought from Billy ,Have her DNA'd ,You all need to get a life as for as karma its coming your way.Oh yeah I want to add that the picture come off rip off rip report were Billy posted it.
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#7 Consumer Comment

Lier

AUTHOR: Stop This Man - (United States of America)

Billy you are such a liar.  You look like a complete idiot.  Can't you see that?  You are scum and a waste of space.  You need to stop selling dogs because you suck at it.  I have a huge vet bill to prove that.  I made a huge mistake buying a dog from you.  I want to warn ANYONE thinking about buying a dog from Billy Thomas to run the other direction.  He is a great liar and will screw you over and sell you a sick and falsely registered dog.  Karma sucks Billy Thomas I would watch yourself real close.
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#8 Consumer Comment

Sorry Billy

AUTHOR: keth_james - (USA)

Michael R Terrain the turth is coming out,I guess the last 2 comments was from Billy also ,You can not have the same user name on this site Billy was right you are nuts.
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#9 Consumer Comment

Sorry Billy,Not Really

AUTHOR: Michael R Terrain - (USA)

I am so sorry for all the false statements I made on here about you.

I did notice you said you was married to a African  American.On top of every thing else you are a n****r Lover other than that all the statements I have made on here in concerning Billy Thomas is untrue.

Billy I am so sorry I thought you had sleep with my wife and I took it out on here. Now you are married to a wet back.


Michael R. Terrain
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#10 Consumer Comment

I am so Sorry

AUTHOR: Michael R Terrain - (United States of America)

Mr Thomas

I am so sorry about every wrong thing I said about you.You are a good boxer breeder and your dogs are great and very well taken care of about the last comment n****r lover I am sorry for that also.
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#11 Consumer Comment

Sorry Billy

AUTHOR: Michael R Terrain - (United States of America)

I am so sorry for all the false statements I made on here about you.

I did notice you said you was married to a African  American.On top of every thing else you are a n****r Lover other than that all the statements I have made on here in concerning Billy Thomas is untrue.

Billy I am so sorry I thought you had sleep with my wife and I took it out on here.



Michael R. Terrain


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#12 REBUTTAL Individual responds

typo

AUTHOR: Michael R. Terrian - (United States of America)

You can not type so quit. As for how long he has lived at that address all you have to do is go to case net to verify.His middle name is Gene, so you find the right person. As for Angie she can not be the person he was charged with because she is not old enough another thing you can find on case net. 
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#13 Consumer Comment

2 : irondog

AUTHOR: keth_james - (United States of America)

: irondog stop hiding behind Irondog Billy don't hide behind and made up name it is plan to see,So is Brook Roweton dogs now iron dog go see him I am sure you and him would get along great.all your facts is wrong ride the post dumb a**.or is this Noah.
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#14 Consumer Comment

What's the point?

AUTHOR: keth_james - (United States of America)

Iron Dog no one use any other names if Billy has something to say he will say it,what don't you give him a call,Steve still hasn't posted proof that he bought a dog from Billy.

   I don't see anywhere on here the kind of cars ppl drive,I don't every think you have talk to him ,Now I have pics of the dog he bought off of Brock Roweton ,I will post them too show you how ppl think they can rip him off.

   I think all you all are is pissed because he stands up for what is right about dogs he buys,I don't think you would know a good boxer when you seen one hell maybe the girl I am posting come out of one of your dams.

You talk about reputable breeders who breeders dogs like this, YOU and Billy don't have to post under other ppl's name as you know if you say you know him like you claim you do,Which I don't think you do

The dog in the pics was sired buy . CH Kenons Greek God For Roweton
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#15 General Comment

What's the point?

AUTHOR: irondog - (United States of America)

None of this has anything to do with matter at hand. Everyone knows what Billy did, it's public knowledge. Yes it does say something about his character. If he is using different user names on here, doesn't matter, it only makes him look like a fool. Yes he and his wife/girlfriend have stolen pictures, from many reputable breeders. Yes he has lied about reputable breeders, not sure what he plans to gain by doing so. If someone chooses to buy a puppy from him then so be it. It is up to the buyer to make sure Billy holds up his end of the deal and sells a quality, healthy Boxer. Do I like Billy, not in the least. I've heard many lies come out of his own mouth. Would I ever do business with this type of person, nope! The one thing Billy has failed to do in this whole thing is prove he's telling the truth. No documents have been shown to show he's telling the truth. I know if someone was talking bad about me and it was all false, I do everything possible to prove I was telling the truth. I think Billy gets off on all of this crap. Me personally, I have better things to do with my time. So Billy unless you can prove everyone is lying about you and how you do business, why don't you just shut up and go on with your life. And posting peoples addresses and what they drive only makes you look like a stalker!
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#16 Consumer Comment

Always has to be Billy

AUTHOR: keth_james - (United States of America)

You don't know what you are talking about ,You read your own statements on here,? the typo's as for as Billy living there since 1999 you Nuts he only lived in Leadwood for less than 2 years ,He lived in Bonne Terre for 25 years ,Now he lives in Farmington Mo.You are going to find out you don't know what you are talking about.As for rehab I have listen to the tapes of you drunk.'Billy does not like a drunk ,and even if you do win you are not going to get paid.

    Get a life Billy said to tell Collen hi ,I think she was alone the first time at his house.That is what the video shows.

    Just just don't know and you talk about treating dogs well ,He treats his dogs great,You need to sober up and grow up. See he and I are best friends ,I will be in court for him and you don't have friends you have AAA meetings.
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#17 Consumer Comment

deceased ex wife Astoria London

AUTHOR: keth_james - (United States of America)

His ex wife name is Leah ,shows how much you really know,She is an African American,are you real sure u was there every minute ,even the first time ,U ma find he is smarter than you type all you want,keep it going .
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#18 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Really?

AUTHOR: Michael R. Terrian - (United States of America)

I don't know who this is? But it you go to the web site below and type in his name Billy Gene Thomas it looks like he live there since 1999.

https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/searchCases.do?searchType=name
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#19 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Know the Law

AUTHOR: Michael R. Terrian - (United States of America)

Look it up. Im not a debt collector. So this law you speak of does not apply. Also the person

you speak of when he came to my house was smoking around his own kids and his alleged

wife, and even bumed smokes from me. I can see you are a good friend of his because you type text just like him. Miss spelled word and sentence structure sucks. As to the drive it's just a hop skip and a jump. Beside unlike him we have friends we would like to visit. I have not made any flase statements in any conversation with him or posted anything that is not ture. I have all my documents and all his phone records and texts ready for the judge to deside. I even have email from his deceased ex wife Astoria London [astoria.london@yahoo.com] even heard of her? And she alway ask me if i'm drunk kind of like you with your comments such as "get some rehab" and "are you sober".  I am not a breeder i have had one litter, my dog are treated very well. They even get to live in the house nice and warm in the winter. Here are some pics so you can see how dog are happy when they get treated well. 

A federal law known as the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act limits what debt collectors can do to harass you about debts.  In
most states, like Missouri, the state laws do not provide much protection against harassment.  However, the federal law applies to all debt collectors, including attorneys.

The law applies only to "debt collectors." This means that the person calling you is collecting the debt that you owe to someone else. If the XYZ Company calls you directly to collect their debt, the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act does not apply to them. However, if the XYZ Company hires a debt collection agency to collect the debts, the law does apply to the debt collection agency.
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#20 Consumer Comment

Billy is the sole owner of Kodak

AUTHOR: keth_james - (United States of America)

PicturePerfectBoxers

STUD SERVICE CONTRACT



Billy Thomas

705Hoffman
St.

Leadwood
mo 63653

(573)522-8095

www.pictureperfectboxers.com

 



THIS CONTRACT CERTIFIES THAT:

Name of b***h ____________________________

AKC#____________________________________

Sire:_____________________________________

Dam:____________________________________

Owner
at time of mating______________________

Address__________________________________

_________________________________________

Phone ___________________________________



WAS BRED TO:

Name of Dog_______________________________

AKC#_____________________________________

Sire:______________________________________

Dam______________________________________

Owner of dog_______________________________

Dates of Mating_____________________________

  

STUD OWNER AGREES TO:

1. Provide b***h owner with a complete 5 generation pedigree of the dog.

2. Take normal adequate care of the b***h while in our charge. (If boarding is
required)

3. Have the stud dog in good physical condition and health.

4. Sign litter registration promptly and return to b***h owner.

5. Provide the b***h owner with a written receipt for the stud service and a
record of the breeding dates.

6.Pay Agree Stud fee before mating

7.
2 live pups of color constitutes a breeding

8. No stud fees will be
refunded in whole or in part., return breeding to the same b***h if first
breeding does not take..

 b***h
OWNER AGREES TO:

1.
Pay the agreed stud service fee before the b***h is serviced.

2. Send b***h in good health and in season .Health testing required on heart.

3. Notify stud dog owner/agent, in writing no later than 70 days after mating
if no pregnancy results from the mating.

4. Keep the b***h properly confined following the breeding to ensure no other
dog could mate her accidentally, before mating season is finished.





Stud Dog Owner(s)
____________________________________ DATE____________





b***h Owner(s)
________________________________________ DATE____________


Section 806(4) prohibits the

of any debt to coerce payment of the debt."



1. Shaming prohibited. These provisions are

designed to prohibit debt collectors from "shaming" a customer into payment, by

publicizing the debt.

2. Exchange of lists. Debt collectors may not

exchange lists of consumers who allegedly refuse to pay their debts.

3. Information to creditor subscribers. A debt

collector may NOT distribute a list of alleged debtors to its creditor

subscribers.

4. Coded lists. A debt collector that

publishes a list of consumers who have had bad debts, coded to avoid generally

disclosing the consumer's identity (e.g., showing only the drivers license

number and first three letters of each consumer's name) does not violate this

provision, because such publication is permitted under the Fair Credit

You just don't get it do you and the contract was sign by Billy,and the last contract was sign by Billy for you to bred another time for a puppy ,You will loss and it is going to be a shame you drive all the way done from
WESTON, WI 54476
and his attorney entries his appearance ,Billy was going to take you up on your offer when you stated over the phone to him you would take 2 of his puppies even though he does not owe you anything just so you would go away,and trust me I am not Billy just a good friend.see you are going to lose.The only reason I posted anything on here is I am sick of people like you,You got mad when Billy ask you not to smoke around or drink beer around his children ,You had other people call him and send text ,You are going to lose,I know Billy very will he would never cheat no one. Get some rehab.

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Contract

AUTHOR: Michael R. Terrian - (United States of America)

Keith :-)?

If you actually are Keith and you saw the contract you will see her name at the top under Picture perfect boxers Stud Service Contract. It has Billy Thomas and Angie Lopez listed Co-Owners? She was also present at every meeting we had before and after we contracted their services. Why don't don't you mind your own business as you have nothing to do with my case against them, if you are who you say you are.
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#22 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Keith

AUTHOR: Michael R. Terrian - (United States of America)

I am so tired of you hiding behind aliases in your responses to these posts. In every email, text or post you always start out with a reference to me/us being drunk. From Astoria London to the person you are pretending to be now trying to defend yourself. How do you even know who Im talking about when I never mentioned any ones name? Also if you read your own post it is so fragmented in your English that it is hard to figure out what you are saying. As to my contract, I have it here and we'll let the court look at it and the reciept for the $800.00 dollars i paid for the stud service. And as you know when you provide stud service you don't both (a puppy and fee).

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#23 Consumer Comment

You all just don't get it do you

AUTHOR: keth_james - (United States of America)

Do you think this is going to stop him from breeding boxers,NO all this will do is make him work harder than you all do which he already does.

See he don't have to sell a boxer and by a sandwich,washer or dyer,out food on the table or to feed his dogs,Hell he owns a feed store on top of breeding and having his boxers shown. Give it up ,You all may not by one of his puppies there is always some one who will   .He is great as a breeder ,friend ,Husband and father How does his dogs look ,look on his web site you don't see no photo shop dogs on there ,all you see is dogs that win or dogs that pictures was taken at his home.Look at Abby great looking girl.

You all need to get a life oh by the went  TV Boxers went through the something as Billy with the sex offence manda Duckett deal also Terry .

You all really need to get a life ,You really do.
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#24 Consumer Comment

More lies To fed

AUTHOR: keth_james - (United States of America)

How do u know how old Angie is which you are wrong......You seen her brith record? You all are such fools Billy is going to post the court records on here and then you all will look like the fools you really are and you say his crime was in 1991 thinks for pointing that out I will have to let him Know he does not have to register anymore all you all are doing is helping him,By the way he takes great care of his dogs why don't you all just shut up and go down to his place,that would be the best thing to do.

Don't you think so.? Mr fed up.
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#25 Consumer Comment

More lies

AUTHOR: Fed up - (United States of America)

You people don't get it! You keep saying oh he's a good guy because the gal he raped he's married to and now has kids so that makes it ok. DO THE MATH! His wife/girlfriend is 24 years old! She was born in July of 1987. The crime he committed was in 1991. The girl he raped was 16. Angie his wife/girlfriend at the time was only 4 years old! NOT the same girl so don't let him fool you into thinking Angie is the one he did it too. This was another innocent girl that will live the rest of her life with this trauma!! If a 35 year old man can do this to a 16 year old girl what else is he capable of? Do you honestly think he would treat his dogs any better? 
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#26 Consumer Comment

MRSOSO

AUTHOR: keth_james - (United States of America)

Mr Terrian,one more thing you put Angie in your law suit which she has nothing to do with the contract between you and Billy,Guess what grounds for dismissal,And I will bet you that Billy has an Attorney waiting to step in at the last minute   .




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#27 Consumer Comment

up date defence of Billy

AUTHOR: keth_james - (United States of America)

I for got to add he did not rape no one He had sex with an under age female get your facts straight Sandi Dunn and the more you type the better it looks for his case for slander against you.














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#28 General Comment

To SLD...

AUTHOR: Aimee - (United States of America)

I do not know you, nor do I intend to. After reading the posts on here, I do feel sorry for what you went through. Love knows no age and just because Billy and his wife met while she was still under age does not put him in the same category with the monster(s) that hurt you. They fell in love and currently have a wonderful family with two beautiful children. Anyone that knows Billy knows he is a good person. He goes above and beyond for the people in his life. He is also an amazing breeder and this shows in his dogs. 

The posts on here have turned from a business matter to a personal attack and it's just ridiculous. If anyone on here thinks Billy is a bad breeder, then don't buy a dog from him. Plain and simple. Billy breeds boxers for the love of the breed. He isn't greedy and isn't in it just for the money. He has no problem finding wonderful loving homes for his puppies. If you choose not to get a dog from Billy because of some gossip that was posted on Ripoff Report then that is your loss. You're missing out on the best boxer puppy you could get. Do your research- look into Billy's records, check him out with the AKC, visit his facility, talk to previous customers, etc. When you do, you'll realize what kind of breeder he truly is. 
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#29 Consumer Comment

In Defence of Billy

AUTHOR: keth_james - (United States of America)

Michael Terrian are you sober?I have been filled in about you over 100 calls to his phone come on get a life read your contract, I saw the stud dog contract ,when you breed your female for puppy back or puppies they belong to the stud dog owner,Now you can sue anyone for 50.00 but can you win that is the question,your harassment,before court and now that you have filed in court is grounds to dismiss case for which you didn't have one to start with.

 Now Sandi Dunn who is lying now , " I am done. I am not going to keep up the Lucretius argument with you.

You are so redundant with your false claims of innocence. Just more lies coming from you." No more post from you ,yeah right you are nuts You can not help your self  ,You all need to read up on the law you can not contact anyone before court and as for as I can see Billy hasn't done so ,Guess what you all need a life,He will sell puppies breed boxers which that is what he loves ,I think you alls biggest problem ,Is he is winning and has better bloodlines. Oh you can ask the police what every you want about Billy I think about 4 of them owns one of his boxers,Now I will bet Sandi will post again after saying she wasn't going too who is lying now?and No you don't have 3 ex husband just 2 sorry I hit the wrong key.Billy is up and coming in the boxer world and will keep coming to the top I would say in 3 years he will have the number one boxer in the nation.
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#30 REBUTTAL Individual responds

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AUTHOR: Michael R. Terrian - (United States of America)

My name is Michael Terrian. I have nothing to hide. On the other hand the person who i trusted to help me sell my puppies (first litter) lead me to believe he was an honest man. I am currently sueing him and any one can check his record on case net in Missouri. My email address is mrsonso@charter.net AKA Mr. So n So. My puppies were Born 01/05/2011 he sold them and kept the money and will not tell us who he sold them to. If anyone has any questions please feel free to contact me anytime. Check my record or check his and then you make your decision.
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#31 Consumer Comment

regarding the defense of Billy

AUTHOR: SLD - (USA)

the question and statement below have been ask:

On another note: Your comments about Billy being a registered sex offender have no relevance on the subject of him breeding dogs. Furthermore, you don't even know the story. Just for the record, he is still with his wife and they have two beautiful children together. 

The fact that Billy is a sex offender/rapist does have something to do with the dog issue.... He denies what he did to this young girl even though there is a public record of the offense and he was found guilty. That attests to his character. Denying his actions that he was clearly found guilty of since he went to prison for the crime shows he is dishonest. He was found guilty of other things as well. Point being if he will lie about what he was found guilty of which is rape of a 16 yr old girl and he was a 34 yr old man then how can you ever trust someone of this character. How can you trust him to be a good person when he so blatantly hurt another human being. He shows no remorse at all for what he did. He simply lies and denies with out one ounce of sorrow.... except for himself. Not for the young girl he hurt.

The police will be happy to tell you the story of what he did. As for his wife/girlfriend being with him .... that is her choice and has nothing to do with this. This is about his dishonesty not her.

by the way (Billy) I don't have 3 x hubbies lol
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#32 Consumer Comment

Untrue allegations

AUTHOR: TexasBoxer - (United States of America)

First and foremost, I would like to know what on earth being a sex offender(completely labeled wrong) has to do with selling Boxers? Especially since he MARRIED the girl.

Second, I own three females from a litter sired by Kodak (not 'Kodiak'). All the three of my Boxers are about to turn two years old. I have not had any issues resulting from the care of Mr. Thomas. 

I have seen the evidence of the pedigree of Kodak, and the complaint states he was claimed to be a champion? He has champions in his pedigree but that does not make Kodak himself a champion.

People need to understand life is not perfect. The contract is straight forward and honest. It sounds like someone had a bit of buyer's remorse or bought a breed that did not suit your lifestyle.

All in all, when I have a question about a Boxer I go to Billy. I even go before I ask the vet. All three of my females are ready to be bred and Billy supports this decision.

Good thing there are breeders like him!
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#33 General Comment

In Billy's defense...

AUTHOR: Aimee - (United States of America)

I have worked with Billy for over three years now and have helped him place his puppies in loving homes. Billy has always been honest and very easy to work with. His dogs are amazing and I have never had one complaint from a customer that has purchased one of Billy's dogs. I do, however, get many happy customers- see some examples below:

Jack is doing great. he is growing up so fast. he is going to be a big boy. i think he weighs 30 pounds now. he goes to the vet on the 21st i will let you know how much he has gained. he weighed 23 pounds the last time i took him. he is so beautiful. we couldn't have gotten a better puppy from anywhere else. he is so playful and loving. he learns fast and he remembers so much. he is a good boy. thanks. have a good weekend. 
cliff
-Cliff, New York

Duke is doing great! He loves my son and everyone is loving him and playing great. He was nervous and scared at first of course, but by the time we got home he was himself for sure. I have one problem though the Vet doesn't have an opening for him until next Tuesday now since he came later then we all thought. I know the contract said he needs to be seen within 2-3 days from arrival...will this be a problem and will I get in trouble down the road and now? Again thanks for all the hard work! :) xoxo Bre xoxo
-Breon, Arizona

Billy is not only a great breeder, but a great person. I have and always will stand behind Billy in whatever he does. I am hoping that one day I will be fortunate enough to own of his dogs. 

On another note: Your comments about Billy being a registered sex offender have no relevance on the subject of him breeding dogs. Furthermore, you don't even know the story. Just for the record, he is still with his wife and they have two beautiful children together. 





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#34 Consumer Comment

In defense of Billy

AUTHOR: keth_james - (United States of America)

I am not Billy as for as Turbo is concerned ,Billy owns him bought and paid for him and pays for showing him ,Turbo will be a champion soon and he still will belong to guess who Billy.

See you blame everything on Billy,Like Dean called you and told you he was sorry,them he turns around and calls Billy and laughs about it ,How do you think Billy found out you say you went through something like that.I take care of his dogs while in he was in the hospital,Dr Gordan Knight was his surgeon,By the way it was not illness he got hurt in a car wreck,You are a heartless person and trust me I am not Billy.

In fact the day he was suppose to have called your house he was in the hospital,He is going to sue you you know and going to post the his arrest report and all court documents,You are going to look like a fool.

 Dean knows who I am very well ,he sold me a sick pup,Every check with the attorney general in  Illinois.

About that like I said you are heartless and need God Billy is coming up fast Soon Wyatt will be out there.That will give him 2 champions,I laugh when you say Billy has done nothing for Turbo put out a hell of a lot of money ,is that why you and him don't get along you couldn't get in his back pocket? Like you did your 3 ex husbands which one lives with you now at 8900 Lilly Dr Loveland, OH 45140

At least they now were to sever your old butt.I am done also.You must think Billy has no friends you are such a loser and a bad one.
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#35 Consumer Comment

here is your report

AUTHOR: SLD - (USA)


Billy why don't you just stop posting under false names. ( keth_james - Dupart) And all the other false names. It is so obvious it is you.
Please don't bother to post reports I will do it for you. It is all a matter of PUBLIC INFORMATION.

Billy Gene Thomas 
Last Known Address: 705 Hoffman St, Leadwood,MO 63653
Race:White  Sex:MaleEyes:BrownHeight:6'2Hair:BrownWeight230 lbs.Age/DOB:2/2/1956

Offense or StatuteOffense/Statute:Sexual Aslt 2nd DegDate:06 June 1991

Alias(es)Thomas, Bill:Thomas, Bill G:Thomas, Bill Gene:Thomas, Billy G:Thomas, Bull Gene
Collected from this official state registry website or page:http://www.mshp.dps.mo.gov/CJ38/OffenderDetails?page=0&column=name&id=618024&lastName=Thomas&suffix=&firstName=Billy&middleName=Gene 

Now deny that this report is false. You are a REG SEXUAL OFFENDER! End of the story!

You can forward what ever you want regarding emails. Any emails that transpired between us was BEFORE I found out what Billy Thomas was and is. You put on a good show fro a while but the truth always comes out.
When Turbo is seen in the ring the 1st thing that goes thru peoples mind that know you is what a beautiful dog, to bad he is owned by a rapist and crook.
Turbo is a beautiful Boxer and does well in the ring. Not because of anything YOU have done which is NOTHING but slap your name on him. Ricky does a great job showing him. To bad he is connected to you.
People in the boxer world have grown to know who and what you are. You have done a great job showing what you are by how you have treated other breeders and buyers. Trust me word gets out fast and a tarnished reputation will stick for a very long time.
As far as my having to much time at the key board.... lol you just posted the same thing 3 X's. 
Now you are playing the sympathy card with all the so called illnesses you have. Well if it is true, I guess karma is a bi*&h. Have a nice life Billy oh I forgot you are supposed to be keth_james - Dupart   what ever,lol I am done. I am not going to keep up the Lucretius argument with you. You are so redundant with your false claims of innocence. Just more lies coming from you.

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#36 Consumer Comment

In defense of Billy

AUTHOR: keth_james - (United States of America)

Sandi

You are going to look like a fool when he post the police reports on her and all court documents from the so called rape,I have seen them.

 Now I am going to have him foreword all the e-mails and Face Book messages between your self and Him,Now you need to get to know this nane really well BLAKE DUDLEY,http://seufertanddudley.com/htm%20files/blakedudley.htm Like I said before you need help .

 As for as Dean he plays both sides ,Just like Kat at Home Place Boxers,I know a breeder in Florida,She sold a year and half old female too,Have the e-mail from her on how bad the dog was lied about her pedigree,Now you need to move on you are making yourself look like a fool.

 Like I said you have more time at the key broad,Then you do taking care of your dogs.Now contact this man 
Chief Doug Calvert at chief@bonneterre.net   http://bonneterre.net/government/police-department/

and call Billy a rapist see what he has to say to you. Get a life or better yet get a man. Billy Has some nice dogs and top handler so why don't you just let it go ,he has had a stroke , abdominal aortic aneurysm,and now has to have heart surgery that has happen in a few weeks. You are going to go to hell for the way you are acting ,You need to find God he will help.Just ask.
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#37 Consumer Comment

In defense of Billy

AUTHOR: keth_james - (United States of America)

Sandi

You are going to look like a fool when he post the police reports on her and all court documents from the so called rape,I have seen them.

 Now I am going to have him foreword all the e-mails and Face Book messages between your self and Him,Now you need to get to know this mane really well BLAKE DUDLEY,http://seufertanddudley.com/htm%20files/blakedudley.htm Like I said before you need help .

 As for as Dean he plays both sides ,Just like Kat at Home Place Boxers,I know a breeder in Florida,She sold a year and half old female too,Have the e-mail from her on how bad the dog was lied about her pedigree,Now you need to move on you are making yourself look like a fool.

 Like I said you have more time at the key broad,Then you do taking care of your dogs.Now contact this man 
Chief Doug Calvert at chief@bonneterre.net   http://bonneterre.net/government/police-department/

and call Billy a rapist see what he has to say to you. Get a life or better yet get a man. Billy Has some nice dogs and top handler so why don't you just let it go ,he has had a stroke , abdominal aortic aneurysm,and now has to have heart surgery that has happen in a few weeks. You are going to go to hell for the way you are acting ,You need to find God he will help.Just ask.
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#38 Consumer Comment

In defense of Billy

AUTHOR: keth_james - (United States of America)

Sandi

You are going to look like a foll when he post the police reports on her and all court documents from the so called rape,I have seen them.

 Now I am going to have him forword all the e-mails and Face Book messages between your self and Him,Now you need to get to know this mane really well BLAKE DUDLEY,http://seufertanddudley.com/htm%20files/blakedudley.htm Like I said before you need help .

 As for as Dean he plays both sides ,Just like Kat at Home Place Boxers,I know a breeder in Florida,She sold a year and half old female too,Have the e-mail from her on how bad the dog was lied about her pedigree,Now you need to move on you are making yourself look like a fool.

 Like I said you have more time at the key broad,Then you do taking care of your dogs.Now contact this man 
Chief Doug Calvert at chief@bonneterre.net   http://bonneterre.net/government/police-department/ and call Billy a rapist see what he has to say to you. Get a life or better yet get a man.
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#39 Consumer Comment

re update on defense of Billy

AUTHOR: SLD - (USA)

Sandi, 
  While I dont condone his past actions, this shows to be nearly 20 years old.  It also looks like he paid his debt to society and has not been a repeat offender.   Remember; let the one without sin cast the first stone. 
  
Dean
Yes that PART of the email Dean sent to me is true. But after we had a LONG conversation on the phone regarding this statement things were different. Dean apologized for what he said in the email.

 Yes Billy paid the so called debt to society but not to this young girl. The debt for RAPING a young 16 yr old girl let alone any female can never be paid by him or any man that has done this. BUT... this girl will pay the price for the rest of her life for what he did to her. Bad enough it was rape but a violent one.

 I know what it is like to go thru this. To hear fast foot steps come up behind you unexpectedly at times send waves of fearful memories thru me. Letting someone touch my face in anyway I can't stand let alone being pined down. Even when playing around I just can't deal with it. You have someone rape you and beat you then leave you for dead see how you feel. There is just NO EXCUSE for this. Counseling... been there and done that. It is still and always will be an unhealed wound that will never go away. Get better, yes but go away NEVER! I would do anything to make it go away. And all because a man wanted to rape a woman. I was only 17 when this happened. 40 yrs ago and I still live with this. So don't you or anyone else dare think he has paid for what he has done. He makes lite of it as if he just stole a pack of gum. Even lies saying it was his girlfriend Angie. Her age and the rape time line do not ad up. No I am not bitter. I just understand what he has done can NEVER be paid for by a meager jail sentence. Until Billy or any other man that has raped goes thru being raped they will never understand or pay for what they did.

As for the dog issue... well all I can say is there have been several people that have called him on the carpet for things and he has apologized. The apology came after he DENIED what they accused him of. Why would you apologize for what he denied doing??? hmm
Question(s): Why would anyone entrust a person that has committed the crimes Billy or anyone like him has committed with their (dog) animal? Why would anyone take his word and trust what he has to say when he denies one thing calls others liars and then turns around and apologizes for all he said?

 Makes sense to me to walk away from someone like that. Yes, there are bad breeders out there. Shame they are aloud to continue to breed. I can't say he is a bad breeder because I have never gotten or wanted a dog from him but he has done somethings that are questionable. To many people have made to many questionable reports and or comments regarding his practices. Many more that have never reported him but in the breeders world things of this nature get spread around from one to another. We all try to watch out for each other.

 
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#40 Consumer Comment

up date defence of Billy

AUTHOR: keth_james - (United States of America)

I for got to add the e-mail from Dean.

Sandi,
 
While I dont condone his past actions, this shows to be nearly 20 years old.  It also looks like he paid his debt to society and has not been a repeat offender.
 
Remember; let the one without sin cast the first stone.
 

Dean

Billy,
 
As you can see she is thin & needs to be nursed back to shape I will take $300 for her or if you are interested in trading the Lucky daughter for her & the Cinch/Lilly male, either way.
 
Thanks,
 
Dean

You would be surprised at all he saves,But I can see why he does.






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#41 Consumer Comment

In defense of Billy

AUTHOR: keth_james - (United States of America)

I have been to Billy's house,he takes great care of his dogs,Now as for a Reputable breeder,He does a great job.He sent me an e-mail from Dean Brenner of winning colors kennels which is now  Besten Boxers ,Now you all want to get on Billy Iron Dog give him a call you hide behind a fake name,so I see you are lying Besten Boxers at one time all pics in fact Dean sold me a puppy that died 2 days after we owned it.

There is still no proof if Billy selling a puppy to so called Steve,I have seen all his dogs and they are all the right pictures on his web site,He is a great man and breeder. You all need to get a life,Now I have some photos that was sent to me of Lilly which is Jojestics Greek Goddess for Thomas they are terrible,now she was sire by  CH Kenons Greek God For Roweton nad is a full sister to Bluemoons Keen On Success  Daisy Now Dean of Besten Boxers said what was wrong with her was hereditary diseases,So who did she get it from the sire are the dam,Dean may go to jail yet over his fake web site,I am postin pictures of Lily when she was sold and a fake picture winning colors had up or should I say Besten boxers,and you all sell him dogs.

Hell how knows Billy may get a reality show out of this Boxers and parolees,What I would like to know is what his past has to do with breeding are showing dogs? Can anyone answer that?

Not only did Dean of Besten boxers sell sick dogs he tried to put Billy up to emailing us which he did

  He told the police Dean had him do it and had Dean on tape ,See I know for a fact all calls in his home is record incoming and outgoing.I am glad Dean put him up to it ,we are great friends now.and just think all you sold Dean a dog .I was going to stay out of this but I can not do that anymore and I am sure other people well join in and help Billy.

  I guess all the pictures of the winning dogs on Billy's web site are fake also,You all need to get a life ,You spend so  much time on here how can you take care of your own dogs.?



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#42 General Comment

Take care of your own!

AUTHOR: irondog - (United States of America)

I find it very ironic that every time Billy Thomas or anyone assiociated with Picture Perfect Boxer it's alway Amanda Duckett filing the complaints. What your dealings together were no one will ever know because no one is truthful. I know a little about both breeders but have never dealt with them as far as pruchasing a dog from. I do know that you Billy Thomas have stolen pictures of one of my males, about 2-3 years ago and try to pass him off as one of yours. Thankfully a wonderful fellow breeder contacted me asking me if I had sold him because his pictures were on your site. H**L NO I did not sell my dog. I contacted you Billy Thomas one time telling you that they be removed asap, they were and that's where it ended. I have also spoken to you once on the phone but you apparently either didn't remember stealing my dogs pictures or thought I was stupid enough that I didn't put two and two together. You spoke very nasty about Amanda as well as some other breeders, Brock Roweton for one. You stated that you had filed something on Amanda and that she had been arrested. I looked it up while I was on the phone with you. I knew you were lying to begin with but sat there, rolled my eyes, and tried not to die laughing from all the BS coming out of your mouth. I'm not sure what your problem is but you are making a name for yourself in one sense, a creepy, trouble making pedophile! Take care of your own business. Stay out of everyone elses. Whose next? You've slandered many reputable breeders who actually take care of their dogs and treat people right. I dare you to come after me, you'll regret because I will not back down. I'm sure your rebuttal to this will oh it's Amanda, wrong guess, try again. I think you have lied and tried to screw so many people over that you don't even know what the truth is nor can you remember what lie it was you told to begin with. By now you should know it's a bad idea to leave threatening messages, especially to a woman. You have failed time after time to show any documents to prove you're telling the truth. Get a life Billy and leave the breeders who actually do care about the Boxer breed and actually do take care of their dogs alone. Don't mess with a bunch of women, you won't win!
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#43 Consumer Comment

regarding the last comment on retraction to Christine

AUTHOR: SLD - (USA)


At 11:23am on 1/16/2012 I got a phone call. The caller ID showed the number 573-652-8095 listed to Angie Lopez. At 11:25 am the same number and caller ID came up again when I got another call from the same caller. Now Angie Lopez is Billy Thomas's girlfriend/wife. They live together.

There was a message left on my answering machine saying the following:

"My message is this. You need to back off and that is my final word."

It was a mans voice. In fact it was the voice of Billy Thomas. I know his voice from speaking to him in the past. He is showing his ugly threatening side that he has. I have called the police in Leadwood MO. Spoke to a Det. Jaco. I have also contacted my local police dept. I don't think the courts will look at this and just let it go. With the past arrest records and other charges that have taken place. This will not be good. Calling from your home phone is not the smartest thing to do when calling someone and making threatening statements. Now knowing this person as I do they will as usual deny everything. If they are smart they will just stop threatening, harassing me and other people. Just quietly go away. I doubt that this will happen.
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#44 REBUTTAL Owner of company

retraction to Christine Shackelford

AUTHOR: Billy56 - (USA)

Sandi you just don't know when to keep your mouth shut, I retracted what I said about Chris becuse she ask me too, I should have known better ,You would put your 2 cents in which that is about all your worth , Now what I have done in my pass is paid for you ,You need to mind you own business.
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#45 Consumer Comment

RE: retraction to Christine

AUTHOR: SLD - (USA)

An apology is a very nice thing to do.
Problem is you keep saying bad things about breeders/show people then all of a sudden you go back in and apologize for what you said. It is repetitious. Makes you wonder who you will verbally attack next. Only to issue an apology once again.

I think that you need to realize that what you say (neg) really doesn't matter to most people. Christine's attitude is..... oh well what ever. Neither one of us could care less what you say or think.
Your denying all that you have been accused of and found guilty of is so ludicrous and redundant.
If you really want to meliorate yourself then stop with all the frivolity. That is your choice. 
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#46 REBUTTAL Owner of company

retraction to Christine Shackelford

AUTHOR: Billy56 - (USA)

I am sorry Chris for bring your dog into this  Ryder has done nothing nor you Chris I keep forgetting Sandi does not  own the male dogs I am sorry for the statement I made about Ryder ,Chris you are your dogs has done nothing to me just Sandi your sister keeps putting flase facts up here.I know who made the laast post on here ,You don't want me and others to start posting about you ,Sandi enjoy your visit to the Missouri court system.and Chris I an Sorry. I have always had a lot of respect for you.
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#47 Consumer Comment

AKC Rules and regulations comment

AUTHOR: SLD - (USA)

Well said.... I think some need to practice more good sportsmanship! Thank you! It is always good to see anyone win at the shows. Friend or foe I still wish everyone the best. Only time I have an issue with a dog that wins is if the dog is not the best in the ring. Doesn't matter who owns them or who is at the end of the lead. Just what Boxer is the best in the ring.

It would be very hard to win a Ch in one weekend but... who knows. I am not sure that has ever been done in the states. Be interesting to see if it has been done and if so really study the Boxer that did that.
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#48 General Comment

AKC Rules & Regulations

AUTHOR: bxrbreeder - (United States of America)

First, regarding finishing a champion in one weekend IS possible -- IF there are more than 2 shows.  It takes 15 points with 2 majors by two different judges to attain the coveted AKC championship.  Thus said, IF you had a 4-day cluster of shows, all of which were 4-point majors, you "could" finish a champion.  Or, you could have a 3 day shows with 5 point majors, win WD all three days and finish a champion.  There are a number of scenarios one may come up with to finish a dog when you take a very liberal definition of "weekend".



If you are a dog show person, you know the difficulty of finishing a Boxer (or many other breeds) without using a professional handler, which Billy now has done.



Now, Billy, it is of VERY poor taste to rail against someone else's dog you win over.  It's called "good sportsmanship" to hold your tongue and accept congratulations with aplomb. 



Trust me, your name and reputation has been dragged through the preverbial mud and you will reap the benefits of what you have done in the past. 



In other words, don't mess with reputable breeders -- we will rip your socks off.

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#49 Consumer Comment

Mr Hillbilly

AUTHOR: hotdogwaffles - (United States of America)

Billy you have to stop typing. You might be the dumbest person on the planet. You sound like a retarded b**ch.
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#50 UPDATE Employee

I was never on here until this happen lies all lies about me

AUTHOR: Billy56 - (USA)

Click the link below http://www.ripoffreport.com/dog-breeders/euro-dream-boxers/euro-dream-boxers-play-time-bo-6ad67.htm

and Sandi my dogs are so bad why did Straitline's Turbo Charged @ Picture Perfect beat you alls boy   Gentry's Next Generation At Dunnford is that why you so  mad ? You all are a joke how is that I will get the last laugh ,The law will deal with all you that have filled out false info on me.anyone who wants to look show results up can do so at infodog.com
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#51 General Comment

retraction by Billy

AUTHOR: SLD - (USA)

It is really nice that he has apologized to Christina. That is a step in the right direction. If he can admit to saying things when he is angry that are untrue then wonderful. Now if he can just continue to keep doing this from here on out. It does make you wonder how many other things were lies or said just because as he said "I was angry." Point being he did apologize and it is a start in the right direction. Cross our fingers that this will continue. Many can forgive things.... just not forget.

Stay on this path Billy it will get you further in life than the other. As an old saying goes: You get more with honey than with all that vinegar. 
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#52 UPDATE Employee

retraction on paw print boxers

AUTHOR: Billy56 - (USA)

I was wrong to post things that is untrue about paw print boxers,I am sorry,I was angry and I should not I have told untrue things about her,Please accept my apology.

     Billy Thomas
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#53 Consumer Comment

The White Fight Continues: Exposing The Fools

AUTHOR: This Is The Truth - (USA)

I told you that someone would be exposed and be greatly affected by it.  It always happens and that's why it is good to enjoy these sagas since there is so much evidential information to help one rationalize a situation very sensibly!

Ethics always wins out in the end and The Truth crucifies those who scorn it!

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#54 UPDATE Employee

PawPrint Boxers is a lair

AUTHOR: Billy56 - (USA)

I had tumb nail photos on our pedigrees just like other breeders built their web site with I never claimed I owned any of your dogs,I have a boy right now with one of your dogs in his pedigree,Now since I have bought all the photos from the photographs,I do own the photos ,I am going to build our pedigrees back just like they was ,Now I am waiting on a DNA report on a dog  ,I do believe there are going to be a lot of dogs stripe of their papers and a few of there titles ,Now fo rhomeplace boxers I will be posting before and after pictures of your so call friend Dean,Now I have 3 girls of my own breeding that will hit the show world this coming spring ,You all  are in for a big surprises,and if you want to see what dogs I have have ,Come on down and visit and see what I have and how they live,I have yet to see proof of the dog I sold to the person post on here yet ,Which proof of Amanda Duckett is posted that she stole a dog from me ,My mistake was post it on hermGiving her a heads up what was coming,Now as for public service  ,My father severed in world one and world 2 with honors,My oldest bother severed in the Koren war with honors,I and to of my bothers fought in vietnam as well as my bother in law so you people have know Idea what service means,You need to just say thank you and move on,You are all quick to judge lets see how quick the judging stops after today,You all are being report to the ABC for misconduct and cyber bullying ,Now for the temperament of my dogs,Look at the photo and tell everyone how bad their temperment is.That is my 2 year old son trying to stack one of our boys ,Now people like you is who stops young people from trying to show or even want too.
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#55 General Comment

re: wrong again

AUTHOR: SLD - (USA)

1st my name is not Sanda it is Sandi Dunn. Yes, I can be a very nice person. I am most of the time unless you rile me.
2nd what happened to me is not your place to discuss with me or anyone. Bitter, I am not at all. Even if I was I have every right to be after what I went thru and what the legal system ends up giving these men as a punishment.  I know 1st hand what this does to a young girl/woman. I live with the scars of this and will do so for the rest of my life. Don't tell me I need counseling. YOU don't have any knowledge of what I have been thru or done regarding this. I live with this everyday! I will unfortunatly do so for the rest of my life. If anyone needs counseling it is not just the victim. It is the rapiest as well. These men never stop doing this.... it is a sickness. Therefore they should be eliminated from society so they don't hurt another person. Be it locked up for life with complete castration or death I don't care just put away from society forever.
3rd to say it was Angie you raped? Let me do the math here and the charges were Sexual Assualt 2nd degree. That is defined as violent rape. I hardly think that was casual sex with a minor. On top of that she was 16 and you were 35 that is a difference of 19 yrs in age. How can you not know a 16 yr old is 16? On top of that what on earth were you, a 35 yr old man doing with a child of 16?  You say it was Angie you raped who would be 34 yrs old and you were married to and now divorced to another woman and it took all these yrs to get together with the young girl you violently raped? I did check my facts. As I said Sexual Assult 2nd degree is listed as sexual assult with violence. That is NOT sex with consent with a 16 yr old girl. That is what you were charged with. If I know the judicial system as I do you probably plea bargined to get lesser time from all of what you did. So I am correct and do have my facts straight. Anyone can look up your record and see what you did.
As for Dr G who ever that is??? I don't care if they bought a pile of crap from you. As I said if a person truely knows what has been done and said then they would run as fast as they can.
4th As for Amanda and the pup I bought from her. Yes she passed away. The pup passed away because she choked on the partially melted capsual that got caught in her throat. Again you don't know what you are talking about. Amanda from Euro dream Boxers has done nothing wrong regarding the breeding of that puppy that passed. It was just sadly an unfortunate accident. Amand bears NO BLAME in her death.
As for what I feed my Boxers it is none of you business. They are on top quality food, grain free.
Regarding Kodak, I know his breeder very well. Actually I know them both I should say. Very nice people.
 I also have a b***h from the same sire. A beautiful flashy brindle Boxer that is also DEAF. She is abosolutely wonderful Boxer and I would not trade her for anything. So don't tell me about health issues with this male, Kodak. I already know.
As you and others can see there are other reputable breeders that you have taken things from and they called you on it. Because you took something from others without permission they have demanded that it be removed from your web site and will not allow you to reuse it with permission because of your deceitful actions. Not just one breeder, there others as well. You can file a slander suit all you want the truth is the truth. You can't sue anyone over the cold hard facts/truth. I guess that is one way that you might try to fund your next Boxer or fund what ever you need to pay out in show fees. One thing you need to remember is you will get nothing from anyone when they are simply speaking the truth. It is all documented and is open to the public to look at. To many people have gone thru one thing or another with you. I don't think a court would award you anything. They would award all those that have been affected by your actions .... not you. No one has hurt you but YOU.
We don't stay on ans co owner on any of our pups so we can get the credit for someone elses hard work in showing. That is not how it works. NO one can take credit for a Boxer getting it's AKC title except the dog and the handler. They are the team that does all the work. Good breeding is a part but the hard work really goes to the Boxer and it's handler. As for my Boxers, I don't care what you think of them. They are AKC and have excellent lines and health. I know what they are and their faults and the door is open to anyone that wants to look at them and see what they are. I have nothing to hide regarding my Boxers or anything else. Sad that you feel that you need to tear apart others Boxers when we have not said anything about your Boxers. Others have filed complaints about your pups. If that makes you feel superior then so be it. Feel free to empower yourself with all the neg comments about others Boxers. 
Mine included.
The last thing you wrote really tells it all.
You will spend the money to have all the neg reports that people have filed on you erased. Instead of just taking the time to stop what you are doing to others. That in itself shows you are so guilty. It shows that you will probably continue to do the same to others. How sad.....
 I say to everyone, " RUN as fast as you can when they hear your name, Billy Thomas."
 I am done with this converstaion. I hope that one day you will make changes for the better and stop hurting people and their families. Selling a pup/dog is a big responsibility. Making sure it is healthy and gets the best family ever is a lot of work. Anyone can produce a puppy and sell it for big bucks to just anyone. It takes a lot of work, dedication and pride to produce quality and search for that special family for all your pups. Perhaps you should think about that and then there would be no rip off reports regarding you.

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#56 Consumer Comment

Billy Thomas and stolen images

AUTHOR: PawPrint Boxers - (USA)

I am PawPrint Boxers and go by no other name. I have never  posted on this forum and only signed up a couple hours ago when I was informed my name was being tossed around by Mr Billy Thomas. This is a true statement.

It is true that several Champion Boxer dog photos were copied from my website, without permission and about a year ago, by Mr Billy Thomas.  It is true he had no ownership or rights to the dogs or photos.  It is true I publicly announced and discussed this transgression on 6/21/10 as I recognized other show breeder dogs pictures but not belonging to Mr Billy Thomas.  It is true he responded to me and accused his female partner Angie of taking the photos without permission.  It is true I contacted her and Angie both admitted to taking the photos without permission but then asked if she could keep them on her website.  It is true I denied permission and once again asked they be removed.  It is true she responded in a flippant manner but did take the stolen images off her website.  It is true this is the same story for others show breeders at that time so many months ago.  It is true that at that same time, I banned Mr Billy Thomas from my Facebook account.

Therefore it is a true statement to say that Mr Billy Thomas has knowingly used Boxer dogs images, bred and owned by myself, to be showcased on his own person kennel website, and without my permission. And at that, you can draw your own conclusions as to what benefit he saw in such a deception. I once again declare the only reason I am posting my truthful statements over this matter is because Mr Billy Thomas has seen fit to attempt to accuse my person of deception on this forum. My suggestion is that he have a care whom he choose to alienate and accuse. 
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#57 UPDATE Employee

Wrong again Sanda Dunn

AUTHOR: Billy56 - (USA)

The so call raped girl ,It was not rape,I had sex with an under age girl,I am married to her now  and have 2 children with her,Dr G that just bought a puppy from me had me checked out before he flew down to pick out his puppy,Again your facts are wrong.You need to check all your facts before you run your mouth,I am sorry I did not know how old she was yes I am very sorry,I am also sorry such a bad thing had to happen to you,You should not be so bitter,Get some help ,You really are a nice person when you want to be ,I am sorry the man that did this to you didn't get caught,
   Now for the white boxer page on our web site,You say I have  apictures of your white boxer look close ,I am the one holding the white boxer puppies,So I guess I was holding them at your house and the other picture is Charm and Kodak litter.
   Now you know as well as I do this is a false report file by Amanda Duckett of Euro Dream Boxers for which she sold you a puppy that died,if it wasn't then they would have posted the proof they bought a puppy from as you know Kodak is a litter mate to Champion Ramarco's Kid Rock ,Now I want you to tell the breeder of this dog he is unhealthy .My dogs live great,I feed origin dog food,Which I know you don't feed that most of your dogs which is the girls do not meet the akc standards,And I have NEVER sold a sick dog to know one my name is not Jenny Bishop or Amanda Duckett.

 Now that you have all your facts wrong I can file a slander suit on you and you can pay for my next boxer ,We are doing things right ,I think what bothers you all the most you can not do anything to hert me .Get over Can't we all just get along ,I am just beginning all over in the show world again after 30 years of being out of it ,You are not going to stop me ppl laugh at you all they really do.I have top bred dogs and only going to get better and live over 5 years.Just because I don't tag a lot of paper work or stay co-owner on them and take cridit for someone else time and money the pawprintboxers do and you ,I think that is what bothers you all the most.No wwe can go one with this our I will just take the money and spend it to have all this removed ,When is ppl going to learn this is a web site that will remove things for money and in the real worl that is all it its about is money.What you going to talk about when this is all over with ?
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#58 Consumer Comment

You do not know what you are talking about

AUTHOR: Kathy - (United States of America)

You never change.  You turn things around and around, makes a person dizzy listening to your fabricated stories.
I had my first dealing with you before Donje Boxers.  You tried to buy a puppy from me.  When I did my research I found you had a picture of a 5 month old b***h that belonged to me on your website  (Tiki) claiming she was yours with a fictitious pedigree attached.  You also had two Champion Bitches on there that you also claimed were YOURS that you were going to breed.  They belonged to a Show breeder in Florida (and yes I have their name).  They did not sell them to you, you simply stole their pictures off their website and claimed they were yours.  You sent me pictures of them when you wanted to get a male pup from me to show.  I told you then I do not place puppies with people that were not honest.  That is where this began with me.   As for "Daisy".  She was not a b***h I bred.  She came to me as an adult from out of state to be bred to Storm.  Her breeder then left her with me for several months due to their own health issues.  She did not have a heriditary skin condition.  What she had was very simple, darkening of the hair due to LACK natural vitamin D that can only be gotten from the sun.  With a particularly bad, long winter with little sun shine in MN, this condition is not uncommon in many short haired breeds who spend too much time indoors and not enough of the suns rays. That came from the Vet.   The owner of Daisy had transferred the papers into my name for me to place her.  And she was placed with another friend of theirs, Dean.  AND the only health testing that I am aware of on her was a canine cardiologist did check her heart. 
You have made many claims over the last 4 years.  Where is the $3000 Champion Dog you claimed in one of your letters that you bought.  Then you claimed you bought a Champion Dog for $7500 in another letter.  Where are these dogs.  I have yet to see you breed your own champions.  You can spout off all you want.  It does not change a thing.  If someone is naive enough to believe the crap that comes out of your mouth and sell you a dog....well I feel sorry for them.  I don't care if you have all the money in the world, it does not make you a decent, honest person.  You use people for your own personal gain.  Some day it will all come back on you.  I really don't care what you do in the show world.  I don't care at all.  You are no threat to me.

Oh, and as far as me doing foster care.  You are totally in the wrong in your perception.  Some of us out there do what we do because we ARE public servants.  We are out there giving our time and our money for the greater good of these kids.  Giving them an opportunity for a normal life, helping them be successful.  This is something you would know nothing about.  I don't know where you get that I was making money.  Besides it being NONE of your business what I do.  I retired a year and a half ago.
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#59 Consumer Comment

The White Fight Continues: The Exposure Saga!

AUTHOR: This Is The Truth - (USA)

How refreshing again.  Another one of these kinds of fights that regularly happens on the ROR.  I await to see who will win.  Its like a regular soap opera isn't it.

All we can say is that someone apparently will get exposed and have themselves greatly embarrassed for it!

Exposure cannot be easily stopped as one assumes.  It has a way of bringing out the truth when we least likely expect it to be brought out!
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#60 General Comment

regarding "last post about..."

AUTHOR: SLD - (USA)

You seem to be missing the point of the report Billy. You have hurt many people by being deceitful. You have stolen from others web sites. Mine included. The white Boxer page on your web site is copied directly from my web site as well as the picture of the pup on it. That was one of my puppies. I haven't said anything since it will educate others regarding the white Boxer.
I don't think any of the people you have mentioned in your last reply are angry with you. You don't seem to understand that what everyone wants is to stop breeders from being deceitful to buyers. Back up what you place in other peoples families when it comes to your pups/dogs. When someone gets a pup and it becomes sick then you and other breeders should back up what you sold. If it is NOT the breeders fault then that is for the buyers to deal with. To many people have accused you of selling sick pups/dogs. Stealing info from their web sites. So it does make one wonder what is going on. I don't think they are all out to get you. When you do the things you do you hurt your own self. You are not a threat to any of us. As you can see you are being accused of placing/selling sick animals. That upsets good people/breeders. To many associate one bad breeder with a few good breeders. Not all breeders are like that. None of us want anyone to buy a sick pup/dog.
As for my living in a trailer. I didn't realise that I did. If so and your kennels are worth more than my trailer that I don't have then I guess you don't have a kennel. From what I have heard the living conditions your dogs are kept in are not good. Again from what I have heard, not seen. Some have told me they bought from you because they could stand the thought of leaving a pup/dog behind in those living conditions. Sad way to buy a pup/dog.
As for you having paid the price of your crime to society. Well I guess you have but, only as far as the court is concerned. You, raping a 16 yr girl is unexcusable. There is no way any man can ever pay for doing that to anyone. She will pay a price for the rest of her life with the memories of what you did to her locked away inside. I firmly believe that you should have had the same thing done to you.... raped and beaten that is the only way that you or anyone else that has done this will ever understand what you have done is just unexcusable. Then you would have to live with the memories of being raped and beat for the rest of your life. You paid your so called debt to society but not to her. she will pay for what YOU did to her for the rest of her life. You should being saying you are sorry and doing what it takes to make up for what you did. Living the life you live and cheating people and being decietful shows that you have not learned anything from your past mistakes.
 I think that if people knew what you have done to this girl and others in the past they would never have anything to do with you? If they knew, it would make people wonder what kind of person would do that, should they be respected, trusted? Sad that you have not made changes for the better in your life....
I wish you well in the show world. You are no threat to any other person in the show world. If you or anyone has a beautiful Boxer then great. I just hope it has then best home and humane living conditions it should have. So being worried about you making the top of the list when it comes to having the best Boxer is not a worry to me or others. If someone truely have the best Boxer then they deserve to win that title.
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#61 UPDATE Employee

My last post on here about me ,

AUTHOR: Billy56 - (USA)

I am going to address each and every post on here first as for runaway from BT which is paw print boxers ,I had my pedigrees built just like Julie Higgins@ Envision Boxers,I got an e-mail from her how she done it, So now i have taken the time and spent the money to buy each show photo of dogs in our pedigree ,So now we own them and they will be put back up as they were ,You new to get your facts straight,Ms paw print and tell the truth about the photos they were only in our pedigrees not dogs we said we owned, Which not that we own the photos ,I can use them,

Now for Kat at homplaceboxers ,I did breed English bulldogs I stopped when my son was born,I could not dive them the time they deserved  ,So I placed them with another breeder,I do like to spend time with my son and daughter ,unlike you use foster kids to get money to bred boxers,You nerver heard of me until I return a t dog to Donje boxers that was sire by Champion Donjes Lucky Charm of Bluemoon Luckywhich had a bad heart ,You can say what you want but he had a bad heart.  He was sired by Lucky before Lucky was health tested Andy was sired in 2007were is Andy now ? or I should say Donje's wanna talk about me dead from heart problems!!!! ,Lucky wasn't health tested until 2008,You sold a dog to Besten
Boxers which has alopecia Bluemoons Keen On Success  Daisy and not health tested as you say she was ,and you know or I think you do that alopecia is an hereditary in dogs.  http://www.ehow.com/how_5046877_reverse-alopecia-dogs.html

So who is wrong here? Oh yeah you can see the dog at Besten Boxers you sold the pictures so the b**ch to have the condition., Now if you like I can post before and after pictures of  a dog that your buddy at Besten boxers bought from me which is a litter mate to the one you sold him.Do you wish me to do that?

Now for Slklsedunn which is Sanda Dunn of Dunnsford Boxers you are angry because I would not sell you a puppy that was already sold to someone else and tell them it died,I still have all e-mails to that affect,Whats wrong you cannot get any of your exhusband to buy you anymore dogs? My kennel cost more than the trailer you live in, Now for Little Miss Clover she is still here with us which that is were she will stay,on advice from an officer of the ABC I needed to remove some dogs from our web site so I did so,Oh she is over 5 spayed and retired unlike some of yours my dogs do live past 5 years.Now for Kodak yes I did place him I have 2 girls We are going to show from him to bred to our future champions ,Face I am on my way up and going to keep going I am not going to stop until I have the number one boxer in the united states ,None of you have the time or the money to take me on ,You are all a bunch of lonely old angry women that don't have nothing better to do than try to take down other ppl,Get a man or a job do something with your life besides hate, You will find it will make you a better person. Now for my past its behind me ,I paid the price so let it go the state did. If you all would spend as much time with your dogs as you do on the pc running your mouth Maybe you would have as good of boxers as I do.
 
Now for Amanda Duckett your are of Euro Dream Boxers you think you got away from stealing a dog from you haven't. So in ending I do hope you all stop hating you ever think that is why the world is in the it shape its in ?See you at the shows if you got dog enough to be there .....Oh Angie is not my Girl Friend she is my wife see you cannot even  get that right.
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#62 UPDATE Employee

You all are full of crap

AUTHOR: Billy56 - (USA)

I have never said Kodak was a champion ,I will have champions soon since I have 2 dogs show and doing very well as for Rachel,She stole 6 puppies from ,she told me she would take them and sell them for me which she did sell the puppies but didn't pay as for Andy he was returned to the breeder because he had a bad heart thats is the Donje line for you. The picture is of me but it is 5 years old ,I have never been on tweeter and never will be all you all are doing is helping me keep posting ,you don't have the time or the money to stop me ,I do things right ,As for SLDor I should say Sanda Dunn at least my dogs live past the age of 5 does yours NO, you mad because I wouldn't sell you a puppy and tell the ppl I sold it to already it had died ,Now for the 2 face person in road house Ill ,You was the one posting my puppies for sell you didn't mention that Did you Tina ,Now for Kathy I have had enough of you as for my house burning look it up at mydjconnection.com spet 11 2006 ,We all have bad luck now I don't live in bonne terre anymore I bought a new house why don't you all come down and see it,Now I know who you all are I can show you how easy it  is to fill fake ripoff reports.Dam I look good in that picture You want me don't you. LOL .
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#63 Consumer Comment

Recant prior post

AUTHOR: RaChel - (USA)

Unfortunately I will have to recant my previous post. I no longer have faith in Billy Thomas and can not support what he does.
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#64 Consumer Comment

There is always more on BT

AUTHOR: Kathy - (United States of America)

Billy claims he has had only boxers...not true.  Billy claims he has only had the one website...picture perfect boxers...NOT true.

Here is just on right from the horses mounth where he himself posted on Twitter:

boxer247

boxer247

@boxer247 BONNE TERRE MO
I RAISE CHAMPION BOXERS AND ENGLISH BULLDOGS AND DO WHAT EVERY ELSE NEEDS TO BE DONE
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#65 Consumer Comment

Regarding the Boxer called Kodak

AUTHOR: SLD - (USA)

Billy no longer owns Kodak. He was sold to a kennel in Kansas. If he told you that his dog kodak finished champion in 4 shows. That would be almost impossible in the states. Canada yes not the states. Well that is not true.  Kodak is not titled.

Here is a link to his pedigree : http://pictureperfectboxers.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/Kodaks_pedigree_OK.312105754.pdf To bad honesty is not a part of his policy.
 As for any health testing you should always ask for the hard copy to verify what the results are. Not just take someone's word. Anyone can say cardiac is normal. Anyone can say their dog is a AKC Ch. Show me the papers that prove that. I mean official papers not some pedigree made up on the internet. You should look at the paper work carefully on anything that is presented. People need to do their homework.
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#66 Consumer Comment

This consumer is correct about Billy Thomas

AUTHOR: Kathy - (United States of America)

Billy has told many that his dog Kodak was a champion.  Here is one letter from one of his puppy buyers.

"so im guessing his champion stud dog kodak is from andy? billy must have a real silver tounge because he had me fooled
my bf didnt like him at all when we picked up our puppy. i wasnt too impressed with all the kennels n etc..
but he told me his house caught fire in sept and he lost 3 dogs to the fire
and the house hes living in now is a shithole from his words
he also told me he sold 7 dogs to a guy who bit off more than he could chew
let all the dogs be together and one killed two of them fighting or somthng
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the way he talked it sounded like his gf angie is who is in control of the dogs n etc
he was also grumpy because i guess a bunch of people wanted him to hold pups without deposits
i talked to a lady who was trying to sell a pup to me she sent me an email with a photo of the pup
and it was a photo with a link attached to billys website so i went to the site and contacted billy asking if that was his pup
and if it was really for sale...
he cut me a deal for 300.oo also he told me that his dog kodak finished champion in 4 shows
is that possible? i dont know much about showing
he also tried to sell the puppies dad tyson
for 300.00
said he was getting another german boxer in his place also he said he wanted me to buy a female pup too.
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#67 General Comment

Be careful of this email address

AUTHOR: SLD - (USA)

Regarding this issue with Billy Thomas, Picture Perfect Boxers. After reading a few things I came across something I thought was interesting.  I saw the following on another web site that is also a scam/rip off reporting web site. It also is regarding the same kennel, Picture Perfect Boxers and the owner Billy Thomas.
(((Redacted)))
Upon reading the comments I found that someone had posted the following:
Going to court: I would like to hear from anyone who was screwed by Bill Thomas oar Angie Lopez or picture perfect boxers please contact us mrsonso@charter.net
Look at the email address carefully. Break it down and it will say mr so n so @ charter.net  This looks like a phoney made up email address. I would be very careful and NOT send anything to it.

I have heard many things regarding this breeder. Non of which was good. I have a friend that bought a female Boxer from Mr Thomas and from what she tells me it is not good. Between the living conditions of the dogs, The cond of some of the dogs, the amt of dogs, and the way he did business. All of which was not good. She never transfered the reg papers to this Boxer into her name for fear of having any issues. This dog was blind in one eye, skinny and in filthy living conditions. The other Boxer she was promised was not there. After talking to him she was actually afraid of him and was afraid to leave the dog there. He bad mouthed so many people. She wanted no further contact with this man and gave the Boxer to a good friend.
I have never seen his place so I can not say 1st hand that all is true. I have heard the samething from so many others so i do wonder. I have spoken to him and he can be an aggressive and threatening.

I must say that anytime a person gets riped off by someone that is really a bad selfish thing to do to anyone. When it is involving an animal, family pet I think is even worse. Peolpe that do this should be shut down. They give other breeders a bad reputation. I say do your homework before you buy.

CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report.
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#68 UPDATE Employee

You a lying and you know it

AUTHOR: Billy56 - (USA)

I remember who you are, Yes you did buy a dog from me, You left out the
part, that it did not come from one of my breedings, You also left out
the part, I saw when putting your name in the breeding list I give you
the wrong papers, called you ask you nicely to bring them back and get
the right ones you refused to do so, You was no more than 2 blocks from
my home, I called the AKC had the papers canceled, Because I made a
mistake, You wanted to keep the papers because of the bloodline, You are
so wrong about a lot of things, I would have called the akc, as for as
law suits there has never been on against me, Now I have sued other
breeders and won, Now how do you think you can stop me from breeding
boxers or showing them, ever dog on the web site belongs to us, We do
not need to breed dogs to make money like you do, So whay dont you all
give it up 2 of our dogs won akc shows today and I am very happy about
that google all dogs on the web site and see who the owner is of the
dogs at infodogshow.com.You just wish you was as good as I am, As for
the web site I can take it down which I just may have that done I dont
need it to sell my puppies, I just have it to show off our dogs.You want me to post your name and address also I have it you know.
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#69 REBUTTAL Individual responds

bad man

AUTHOR: Stop This Man - (United States of America)

Steven I am sorry you have also been a victim of Billy Thomas.  Your story is so much like mine and I hope we can educate people so they do not become victims also.

Please do not purchase a boxer from Picture Perfect Boxers, T&L Boxers or ABC Boxers.  These are all owned and ran by the same individuals.  This company lies and does not stand by their contracts.  I purchased a boxer just to discover the AKC papers provided were fake.  My vet confirmed the dog I purchased was at least one year old but the AKC papers stated it was a four month old puppy.  The dog also had Demodex Mange and a sever bladder infections from having to lay in mud.  I spent over $300.00 in vet bills to get this dog in better condition.  When I contacted T&L Boxers they said my vet was a liar then blocked me from his email.  The owner of this company has been involved in law suits and has complaints against him as well as being a registered sex offender.  It seems very strange to me they have changed their name three times in the past three years.  Please reconsider before you purchase a dog from Picture Perfect Boxers, T&L Boxers or ABC Boxers. Please read other complaints on http://www.scaminformer.com/scam-report/-c23809.html?selcom=815844
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#70 UPDATE Employee

Here is What I will Do

AUTHOR: Billy56 - (USA)

If you post the proof I sold you a puppy ,I will give you the one posted on here for free,I don't think I have anything to worry about ,You don't have no proof ,Now this puppy is from Kodak in the picture she is 5 weeks old,Now if that don't give you an incentive to post your proof you have no proof.Don't get any better than this.
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#71 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Post it Up or Shut Up

AUTHOR: Billy56 - (USA)

I don't know what you think your doing but your not hurting me with your false claims. If I sold you anything you would not have a problem posting a bill of sale or even puppy papers with my name on them. Otherwise you are just another crazy person making false claims on behalf of amanda duckett. Post your proof. I don't try to hide anything about my personal life, although truthfully it is none of your business.
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#72 Author of original report

My experience was BAD...... It WAS!!!!

AUTHOR: Steven - (United States of America)

To whom it may concern

I am not sure what everyone else was doing over the weekend but I for one was spending time with my family.  I have stated that I am a family man, maybe I should state that I also have a life.

I tried to post my contact information, however, it never posted to this site.  I will look into my records and find my documents to post them here when I have some time.

I have no reason to lie or photo shop as one comment was made.  I clearly state my experience and that is it.  If it helps someone, that is my goal.  If others of you have had positive experiences then again I consider you lucky.

I for one feel that when you are taking your family to see a puppy or buying  from someone that this information should be public knowledge.  Being a father I am sickened by it.  I dont care how old she was, if you are a real man you can wait until they are of age.  I cannot even believe I am defending I was upset this man Is a Sex offender and I was not aware and very upset by this.

I am also upset how we were treated and how poor of condition this puppy was in along with the outcome.

If you wish to purchase from this breeder then I hope you have better luck than my family has.



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#73 Consumer Comment

So fake

AUTHOR: RaChel - (USA)

I too would LOVE to see proof of this allegation! I've done business with Billy a total of 4 times now and each and every time he was honest and helpful. My vet has now done business with him as well and I'm sure a VET would know a good dog when she sees one as well as a good breeder. As far as I'm concerned dredging up the past of Billy is childish and completely out of line. Apparently you have no idea what the charges are regarding. I too have children and have no problems with them ever being with Billy. The ONLY mistake he made was falling in love with someone younger than him, who I might add is now his wonderful wife and mother to his 2 children. Love is blind and apparently him and his wife didn't have a problem with it so why should anyone else? Good grief it would be different if the charges were for an actual CRIME but for me this isn't and shouldn't even be an issue. If you do not wish to provide proof of what you claim, and I mean REAL proof and not something you photo shop on your computer...then just GO AWAY!
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#74 Consumer Comment

E-mail me what you have

AUTHOR: Colleen - (USA)

E-mail to me what you have.I really would like to see them Please do so.
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#75 REBUTTAL Owner of company

You are a lair

AUTHOR: Billy56 - (USA)

Send me the e-mails because you are lying and you know it.prove what you say about a puppy you bought from me 15 months ago,You won't because you can not.
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#76 Author of original report

my experience was horrible

AUTHOR: Steven - (United States of America)

Billy I have only posted my experience in regards to you.  if others had a positive experience then i consider them lucky.

I personally would never associate with someone of your ethics or background.

I am not a breeder nor a threat to you or anyone else for that matter.  I am simple family man who felt the need that I should share my experience in hopes of helping educate another family.

I know nothing of this breeder you continue to bash and frankly do not care.  I cannot see any person with any common sense who would believe anything that you say.

I was a nobody who caught you in several lies, I don't have to post documents to prove so.  I have all our corresponding messages and I am more than willing to educate anyone that wishes to contact me in regards to my horrid experience with you.

I think instead of worrying about the client that is unhappy with you and their experiences with you personally you seemed to be more consumed with pointing the finger at someone else.

To be honest I want nothing to do with ANY breeders for that matter.  I would take my chances with a rescue.
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#77 Consumer Comment

One of the most honest breeders there is

AUTHOR: Colleen - (USA)

We could not have asked for a better experience with a breeder! Our little girl that we picked is very well socialized, very loving, smart and beautiful. Billy's patience with all of my questions leading up to our decision to purchase from him, and then the questions that came anticipating her arrival, and still having the patience to answer my questions after she became our little girl, shows not just what a wonderful breeder he is, but also what kind of man he is. The knowledge and intelligence he has passed on to me and my husband has been well worth the price and more. I only hope you get the pleasure of owning one of his boxers...or should I say I hope you get the pleasure of being owned by one his boxers ;) IN fact the one girl waqs so well bred we and in good health,We bought 2 more from him.unlike the Euro Dream Nightmare,Billy Thomas Thank You so much for being such a honest man.

    P.S We know all about his past,and that is what it is past.
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#78 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Steven (overland park Kansas You are a liar are should I say Amanda

AUTHOR: Billy56 - (USA)

I just look at something else in the so called report,I was so angry when I saw this I over look a couple of things.
1. The so called forgery charge was filed by my ex-wife yes I signe dhewr name to checks to have deposited in her bank account,When I filed for a divorce in 2006 she had me arrested.
2 Here were you really messed up,We have not leave in Lead wood Mo for 15 months only 13 months this month,I can prove all I am saying can you prove anything you stated? let me answer that 4 you NO
You know you are one of Amanda Duckett suck ups from Euro Dream or I should say Euro Night Mare

oh one more thing you don't even have the right phone number.and May I ask were you seen the add at on one of my puppies for sell and on are web site not like so many others we all the pedigrees posted now you lied again .Because on kodaks pedigree it would state he was a champion
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#79 REBUTTAL Owner of company

You are a liar

AUTHOR: Billy56 - (USA)

1.I have never sold a dog to anyone in overland park Kansas,The reason I know this I have breeder records from 20 years back,I went through them to see if I sold a dog in Kansas Kansas,
2.I have never stated my dog Kodak is a champion
3.gets your facts straight before you label someone,I married the young lady I was charge with,I have 2 children of my own.
4 Sounds like you bought your boxer from Euro Dream
5 I have only one breed of dog that is a boxer
6 I will show anyone the health testing on my dogs anytime they ask.
7 If your wife puck it was from looking at you.
8.I am have  license through the state of Missouri as well as the city of Leadwood Mo ,You people just don't get it do you ,I live in the city limits to were you can only have no more than 5 dogs.
9 Now if you did buy a puppy from me,Why has it took you this long to file a report on here?I will tell you why.This is Amanda Duckett of Euro Dream Boxers,I iwll contact all of the people I have sold puppies to and they will post reply's to this,I am so glad you filed this on here,You will help me sell dogs all my clients knows about my past,So if you are going to write something post the akc papers.You got with the puppy and vet reports ,I am sure you have them if you bought a puppy from me,Go tell your lies to someone who will believe them.but you won't post any paper work because you know you are a liar.and do not have any from me.Because you didn't buy a puppy from me.Have a nice life because I do.With my 27 month old son and 13 month old daughter.
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