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  • Submitted: Fri, March 04, 2011
  • Updated: Sat, June 23, 2012

  • Reported By: bakerma83 — Wylie Texas United States of America
Pizza Hut
Dallas Dallas Metro, Texas United States of America

Pizza Hut Delivery Drivers to get $3/hour cut in pay and only a fraction of Delivery Charge Dallas Metro, Texas

*Consumer Comment: "TOOK OUR DOUGH POEM"...

*Consumer Comment: "PIZZA PIE POEM"...

*UPDATE Employee: Gas reimbrusements..

*Consumer Comment: No, Mike, No class action pending...guaranteed.

*UPDATE Employee: Gas reimbrusements..

*Consumer Comment: Mike....WHY don't you just get a new job??

*UPDATE Employee: Gas reimbrusements..

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Pizza hut in phoenix arizona

*Consumer Comment: Response to the drivel from Steven-Jacksonvile..

*Consumer Comment: TOOK OUR DOUGH POEM....

*Consumer Comment: PIZZA PIE POEM.......

*Consumer Comment: If this is how they want to play

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Pizza hut in scottsdale arizona (hot pizza's LLC)

*Consumer Comment: TOTAL FEAR SONG...

*Consumer Comment: "TOOK OUR DOUGH POEM"....

*Consumer Comment: Steven, I asked a Certified Public Accountant if there was as law that required Americans to pay Federal Income tax on their labor......

*Consumer Comment: So cite a case for us Steve

*General Comment: Call the WAHHHHHmbulance.

*Consumer Comment: "PIZZA PIE SONG".....

*Consumer Comment: AWESOME!

*Consumer Comment: PIZZA PIE POEM

*Consumer Comment: I JUST ORDERED!

*Consumer Comment: TOOK OUR DOUGH POEM

*Consumer Comment: Steven-Jacksonville 25 years ago does not apply today

*Consumer Comment: RIGHT

*Consumer Comment: Bakerma83, You can make a YouTube video like Dan did! If you 'Google' this- WALMART WANTS YOU DEAD, you can watch that video......

*Consumer Comment: I don't doubt your experiences Steve

*Consumer Comment: Steven-Jacksonville that is incorrect

*Consumer Comment: Basically good info from Steve but

*UPDATE Employee: thank you steve

*Consumer Comment: Here is the "biggie" that nobody caught!

*Consumer Suggestion: I guess that means NO PIZZA HUT FOR ME TONIGHT!

*UPDATE Employee: too pay us even less while we use our cars

*Consumer Comment: Almost sounds like they are re-classifying you

*UPDATE Employee: just got my paycheck

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 Starting at the end of March delivery drivers in the Dallas area will receive $4.25/hour(when out on delivery), a three dollar pay cut. On top of this, drivers only receive $.90 of the $2.50 delivery fee charged to customers. If nothing else,  I think Pizza Hut needs to be held accountable for the lost $1.60. Either stop charging the customer or give it to the drivers.



I don't know anything about business law, but it seems to me that when a company charges someone for a service provided they need to provide the service. Ergo, the driver is responsible for his/her own vehicle, and is for all intents and purposes an independent contractor while on the road. The driver has their own insurance, pays for any repair
bills, as well as gas. While the $0.90 of the $2.50 ostensibly goes towards gas and car repairs, what happens to the other $1.60?



If the $1.60 went to pay the drivers wage (which I think is fraudulent as the driver also does other non-driving work while at pizza hut store), does the $3.00 pay cut change things? As I understand it, there will still be a $2.50 delivery charge, drivers will still get a fraction of that and receive around 40% less pay. Seems like a double rip-off to me.

While $1.60 does not sound like much, over the course of a day, week, month it turns out to be quite a large sum. If a pizza hut averages 200 orders for a Friday night for example and 150 of those are deliveries (I think 75% delivery to total orders is a fair estimate) that's $240 or about 5% of their daily profits (assuming a projected $3,500 worth of business for that day). These numbers are speculative but very reasonable.

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#1 Consumer Comment

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#3 UPDATE Employee

Gas reimbrusements..

AUTHOR: Mike - (United States of America)

I appreciate your comments and opinions that you have expressed, but I do not agree with you on all of your individual points you make.  Your overall premise is true, but when you are backed into a corner, as Millions are - you do whatever you can do to 'help' your situation, even if it is only temporary.



First of all - your comment that 'people who work at Pizza Hut (or other similar, low paying jobs) are not smart' - well, sorry that is just Wrong!!



...I am 66, and as a member of the Senior Citizens group of the population, have encountered the 'we hire only the young' mentality - both said and un-said, of mostly un-said.



I am Very smart - in addition to having a BS in Finance, an MBA in Marketing and Economics, I have over 3000 clock hours of various telecommunications Manufacturers schools, each of which are generally far more complex/difficult than a typical college course; plus, I have 8 years active duty in the USAF - part of which included 12 months of highly concentrated electronics course work training to do my job, which included a Top Secret clearance   ...this one year of tech school was the equivalent of 4 years of electronics in college.



I have been a Telecommunications Engineer for 30 years, making $100,000 a year during my last years with Verizon and having been named 'Engineer of the Year' three times, and having lead teams working on typical telecom installations of $250,000 to $3,000,000 - for hospitals, sports stadiums ($420,000,000 project), prisons, etc.  



Most of my co-workers at Pizza Hut have either advanced to management level from first being drivers, or are young people who Are college students, or are soon to be college students and are just trying to put together the funds to go.  There are a couple of more senior employees - over 40, who have lost better paying jobs in the past and are just trying to make ends meet for the moment.



As for the 'cost of operating' a car as a driver...   I am WELL aware that 'gas' is only a Small part of the cost of operating a vehicle 'for the benefit' of Pizza Hut.  Your cost estimates for true cost of operating are certainly on target!  I have not mentioned those parts because it is too complex to put into quantitative terms for a daily cost.  I do my own taxes, including the taxes for the last 35 years for a business that my wife (and I) own.



As for the class-action suit - the class action suit is already active and underway with regard to Pizza Hut and its employees - the lawyers have already collected my employment info and that of thousands of others.  It covers 2008 (forget the month) up through the present employees.  I realize that it takes Years before a typical one is settled one way or the other.  I am aware there are no guarantees concerning which side will win, and that the 'winners' are 90% the attorneys   ...but, maybe it will make them change the manner in which they compensate their employees - maybe.  ...that is usually the only true benefit of winning a class action suit - it is not about the Money.



So, yes I agree with you that Pizza Hut, and others like them, are screwing the employees, drivers in particular in this case.  And, I agree that Pizza Hut would either Not 'deliver' pizzas if THEY had to pay the true cost of delivery - ie. providing the vehicle/cost of operation; or their 'charge per delivery' to the customer would be so high that customers would seldom use their deliver option.   ....its a fact that EVERY employer in Every business/type of business screws their employees - it just part of 'successfully' doing business - and it is 98% of the time that the employee has little or not choice in the matter.  ...WHY do we continue to do it, Because we have families to feed and raise!  Verizon Provided me a car for 17 years of the time I worked for them (it was GTE before it became Verizon - GTE was a Far better, more employee friendly company than Verizon has ever thought about being).  However, I was also paid as a salaried, management employee - paid for 40 hours per week, but Averaged more than 65 per week year end - year out   ...just normal work routine (my particular job often required 80 to 100 hours per week, literally!).   ...But, overall, I was paid well on an annual basis - And, I loved my job/work.   ...NO way would I have worked those kind of hours if I had not loved the work I did!



Soooo, like I said; I agree with Parts of what you have said, but you should not disparge the intelligence or reasons why a person continues in a job they do not like or in which they feel they are getting screwed - the Reason is usually because - they have little 'short term' Choice.

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#4 Consumer Comment

No, Mike, No class action pending...guaranteed.

AUTHOR: Southern Chemical and Equipment LLC - (USA)

I really hate when the uneducated spout off about class action lawsuits.

A class action lawsuit against a company like Pizza Hut would take years and millions of dollars in real cost.

Not gonna happen.

Here's why:

1. There is no foundation for a class action, as they are operating within the law.

2. You have no "damages", as you have a CHOICE to do the job or not. Don't like it? Quit. Problem solved!

3. As of the last information I have, Pizza Hut locations are independently owned franchises. Therefore your lawsuit (if you had actual damages) would be against that franchisee.

Usually the people that deliver pizzas are just not smart to begin with, and that's how the business owner exploits them.

For example, you keep making reference to gas as your only expense in doing these deliveries.

The fact of the matter is that gas is only about a third of the true cost of using your vehicle.

I don't care what you drive, your overall true cost of owning and operating a vehicle is $1/mile.

This includes the purchase price vs. depreciated value at time of re-sale or junk, routine maintenence costs, repairs, insurance, registration, etc.

Keep track of the total mileage each day you work, then multiply that by $1/mile.

This is your TRUE COST of using your vehicle for Pizza Hut's financial gain.

Insulting, isn't it?

Also keep in mind that if you have an accident while using your personal vehicle on your personal lines insurance for "hire" or for "profit", your insurance company can, and usually will deny your claim altogether for reasons of "material misrepresentation".

Don't belive me?

Call any insurance agent and ask them about the commercial for hire use of your private vehicle.

Do that right away.

Keep in mind, as previously stated, if pizza delivery was actually profitable, Pizza Hut would provide a vehicle and pay the related expenses to do it.

Just common sense.

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#5 UPDATE Employee

Gas reimbrusements..

AUTHOR: Mike - (United States of America)

For the reasons already stated, I Will be quitting within the next 2 - 3 weeks.  I have continued
only for the reason that I was netting about $12 - $14 per hour ...wage + tips, during this time.

It would have been about 3 to 4 more dollars net per hour if it were not for going in the hole
for the extra gas used.  So, I was taking home $800 - $1000 per month total during this time,
working about 20 hours per week.  I will be replacing this with a better job that I have lined up.

Yes - it Is a true Ripoff of the employees and Should be illegal for them to be able to get by with it.

There is in fact a current, active employee 'Pizza Hut Driver class-action' being filed against them
at this time for these very practices of under reimbursement of vehicle expenses and paying less than
the $7.25 per hour minimum wage - they drop you to $4.25 when you are on the road. 

It is my understanding that similar class action law suits are pending against Domino's and
Papa John's.  I don't whole high hopes, but who knows.  Even after I quit, I will still be a 'party of the
class action group' and will receive 'something' down the road if we win, ...way down the road -
class action suits generally take years.

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#6 Consumer Comment

Mike....WHY don't you just get a new job??

AUTHOR: Southern Chemical and Equipment LLC - (USA)

Mike,

If you know you are losing money, WHY don't you just get a new job??
I cannot comprehend why anyone would knowingly do something where they lose money, especially working a JOB for someone else!
These company owners and managers know that there is no money in delivering pizzas!
That's why they hire people they can exploit!

They hire you because they KNOW they could not purchase, maintain, and insure a vehicle and pay all of the related owner operator expenses of running a vehicle to deliver pizzas and still make money.
YOU are subsidizing the profit of your employer out of your own pocket!

STOP doing that!!

MOVE ON!!!!

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#7 UPDATE Employee

Gas reimbrusements..

AUTHOR: Mike - (United States of America)

I WISH the amount we got was on a 'per pizza' bases!  In fact, the gas reimbursement amount ( 90 cents in this case) is paid on a "per Delivery" bases - Not per pizza.  So, if you 'deliver' one pizza, or eight pizzas to one address - you get 90 cents Period!  With the price of gas today, I average 10 miles per delivery round trip (some deliveries are 15 miles round trip) - my car gets 18 miles per gallon, current price is about $3.30 per gallon.  ...so, I go in the hole for gas on Every delivery.

So why am I still delivering pizza's?  I have been doing it for 8 months now - but, not for much longer; primarily for the reasons above.  Not worth the 'cost of operation' of my vehicle; Plus, Many people 'think' that we get the full $2.50 'delivery charge' on their ticket - thus, we get NO tip or maybe a single dollar!!

I Try to tell people this when they refuse to tip - but, either they DON'T care (which is the case for these jokers/dumbaxxxx) or don't believe that we don't 'get the delivery charge'.  I often 'ask them - "Would YOU work for Free?" - at the probability that I would get Fired if they called in to complain about my comment/attitude  ...but, sometimes I can't help myself and I say what I have to to Try to educate them - to no avail 99% of the time.

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Pizza hut in phoenix arizona

AUTHOR: jay - (United States of America)

its the same thing with pizza huts here in phoenix, the units were bought by a franchisee and everything went down hill for employees. and, we thought the corporation was bad. no more 401K due to the buyout, then they told us no one could ever take a holiday off no matter what, then cancelled all paid vacations, then cut hourly wage by $3. I walked out and quit by this time. yes, they collect a $2.50 delivery charge and give drivers a lousy .97 cents. This did not even cover the gas doing the deliveries. tips fell as a result of customers thinking the drivers got the $2.50 fee. I could no longer work for someone who showed such greed and so little for the drivers financial plight. They just figure they will find someone to drive, but i think it is getting harder to keep drivers because they figure out they are spending too much on cars  and gas to make sub minimum wages. The era of pizza delivery is about over due to the costs for the drivers, they will only get high turnover, but i doubt they care. I can't wait to see when gas hits $4 or $5 and they can't get drivers or when the economy improves...drivers will leave pretty fast with this abuse.
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Response to the drivel from Steven-Jacksonvile..

AUTHOR: Southern Chemical and Equipment LLC - (USA)

Steven-Jacksonville wrote the following drivel:



".....Also Steve you are forgetting that the drivers are being reimbursed for their mileage to the tune of 90 cents per pizza. Are you assuming that drivers take one pizza and go out the door???? Maybe when it is slow. Some take 3 or 4 pizzas for their 8 mile round trip. Thats $3.60 for 8 miles.



Get a grip on reality Steve. I asked my insurance agent earlier today about this and he said still the same as it was 25 years ago. I declared I used my car for work and that I drove xx amount of miles a week doing that job. My insurance company also charges the same for personal use as it does for commuting less than 12 miles a day for work. Now if I were to have a longer commute that rate would go up. "



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Well Steven, I do have a firm grasp on reality. The ACTUAL cost of owning and operating any vehicle nowadays is no less than $1/mile with EVERYTHING figured in. Gas alone is at least 35 cents a mile!

So, according to Steven's math $3.60 for 8 miles is acceptable? That's only 45 cents per mile, being less than half of what it actually costs to own and operate a vehicle, even an old, paid for junker.



As far as the insurance thing goes, you are either a liar, or your insurance agant is an idiot, or both.



Read what I wrote. Obviously you have reading and comprehension problems.



Commuting to and from work is NOT the same as using your vehicle for the production of income. How could you even make that comparison? Stop being an idiot, please. You are clueless.



The fact of the matter is, that most pizza delivery fdrivers DO NOT report the "business use" of their vehicles, and this is where the "material misrepresentation" thing comes in. Learn how to read exactly what was written. Stay on point.



Insurance rates are based on several factors, with one of the majors being the "use" of the vehicle. If you are going to deliver pizzas with your vehicle, legally you must declare this business use of said vehicle to your insurance company or you could be denied coverage if an accident occured in such non-declared use.



Insurance companies are looking for any reason they can to deny a claim, and this is an easy one.



Therefore, it is you, Steven of Jacksonville that needs a grip on reality. Please get one.





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TOOK OUR DOUGH POEM....

AUTHOR: Karl - (USA)

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P.S. This is to Mr. Rik: Guess what we're having for dinner tomorrow night when the Patriots play the Giants in the Super Bowl?

Answer: PAPA JOHN'S PIZZA!

Prediction: Patriots win by more than 10 points.
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PIZZA PIE POEM.......

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#12 Consumer Comment

If this is how they want to play

AUTHOR: mr rik - (USA)

I would make sure everybody got COLD PIZZAS!
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#13 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Pizza hut in scottsdale arizona (hot pizza's LLC)

AUTHOR: jay - (United States of America)

I worked at a pizza hut in scottsdale Arizona. it was franchised and bought by HOT PIZZAS LLC out of kingman arizona. anyhow, pizza hut has been going down for a long time prior to the buyout, before the buyout there was an effort to get rid of the old drivers by cutting their hours so they quit and as a result no payment of unemployment ins was avoided. i knew of several other drivers at other stores and we all experienced the same thing. many did quit, i almost did but took off for a vacation and hours improved. i was going to quit, but stayed since my hours were ok.

anyhow, many thought things would improve when the buyout happened by hot pizzas LLC....it actually got worst. They never showed any interest in the employees or the costs to deliver for them. we lost our 401K program and that was about $100/month since i used to claim my tips. then, they got caught up in customer feedback and wanted us to push surveys on our customers to get them to call in and mention our names. then they made it worst by dispaching drivers ahead of others if they had good feedback and other drivers did not. this really depended on you begging customers to call in and many drivers just did their own call ins and gave themselves good feedback to get management off their backs.

this summer, hours were cut drastically again..so i just left and decided this is it for me...anyhow i hear they now cut the drivers wages to $5 from $7.75 when driving and you get the $7.75 when in the store. costs are sky high for drivers due to gas, maintenance, and replacing a car with a good 30mpg car. they reimburse .97 for each delivery and it barely covers gas, even when gas pushed close to $4 they did not increase the reimbursement even though they charge customers $1.50 for a delivery. tips are really bad even in scottsdale with nice homes. i hear closers making only $40 all night on a friday and saturday. Basically, HOT PIZZAS LLC has decided to have drivers subsidize their business.  i used to spend $3/ hour on gas alone and now they have the gall in this bad economy to take advantage of drivers who are mostly poor and at the bottom of the economic ladder. I figure the cut in wages will cost part time drivers $150/month of lost wages, at a time of sky high gas prices, expensive repairs and car replacement and repair costs. DRIVING FOR HOT PIZZAS LLC IS NOT AN OPTION FOR ME ANYMORE.

its too bad the owners of HOT PIZZAS LLC, don't know or care how badly their employees feel about how the company treats its employees.
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#16 Consumer Comment

Steven, I asked a Certified Public Accountant if there was as law that required Americans to pay Federal Income tax on their labor......

AUTHOR: Karl - (USA)

back on March 11th, 2009. She said that there is no such law.

You can type in 432458 at this site and read what is posted in 'Consumer Comment #8' at Ripoff Report #432458 for more information, okay?

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#17 Consumer Comment

So cite a case for us Steve

AUTHOR: Steven - (U.S.A.)

Please cite a case where a pizza delivery driver caused an accident and had his/her claim denied because they were using the car for delivering pizzas. Did they say they just used the car for personal pleasure and denied using it for work at all??? Happens to people all the time Steve. People just driving to and from work get in accidents have the same thing happen. Any out you give an insurance company is one they will take. Some are more notorious for this than others.

As far as claims referred to Pizza Hut cite a case where they denied responsibility and took it to court. I get a kick out of it when people seem to think that their financial problems are over and they have hit paydirt when they are in an accident with a pizza delivery person (or anyone else for that matter). Was the person in the accident offered a decent settlement or are they going for 7 figures for a fender bender.

Labor laws have not changed that much Steve and the fact that companies today are still responsible for the conduct of their employees while they are working. For a trial lawyer wannabe I would think you would know that.

Also Steve you are forgetting that the drivers are being reimbursed for their mileage to the tune of 90 cents per pizza. Are you assuming that drivers take one pizza and go out the door???? Maybe when it is slow. Some take 3 or 4 pizzas for their 8 mile round trip. Thats $3.60 for 8 miles.

Get a grip on reality Steve. I asked my insurance agent earlier today about this and he said still the same as it was 25 years ago. I declared I used my car for work and that I drove xx amount of miles a week doing that job. My insurance company also charges the same for personal use as it does for commuting less than 12 miles a day for work. Now if I were to have a longer commute that rate would go up.
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#18 General Comment

Call the WAHHHHHmbulance.

AUTHOR: sillyrob - (USA)

Why the hell should they? You receive tips and part of the delivery charge, they aren't obligated to pay you more than a server's wage as long as you're making minimum wage with your tips. They also don't have to pay you all of the delivery fee. Why? Who knows! A lot of delivery people don't make the entirety of the fee, why should you?  If you don't make at least minimum wage, then they're obligated to make up the difference. Does this suck? Yeah it does, but find a new job. They aren't doing anything wrong, and taking them to court will make you look like a giant loser. 
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#19 Consumer Comment

"PIZZA PIE SONG".....

AUTHOR: Karl - (USA)

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#20 Consumer Comment

AWESOME!

AUTHOR: mr rik - (USA)

Yep, I filled my gut alright, but I about busted it when I read that poem!

Another Winner!

Sorry none left now, I had the rest this morning!

So that makes 3 (THREE!) days of PJ's!

MMMM!
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#21 Consumer Comment

PIZZA PIE POEM

AUTHOR: Karl - (USA)

PIZZA PIE POEM

He just ordered
He don't lie
Mr. Rik
Had pizza pie
He feels good
He filled his gut
Had Papa John's
No Pizza Hut
This poem's over
More to come
Hey Mr. Rik
Please save me some!

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#22 Consumer Comment

I JUST ORDERED!

AUTHOR: mr rik - (USA)

Ya know, I was sittin here tryin to decide what to eat when I just read this poem!

Thanks Karl, looks like its PJ's TWO DAYS IN A ROW FOR ME NOW!

MMM!
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#23 Consumer Comment

TOOK OUR DOUGH POEM

AUTHOR: Karl - (USA)

TOOK OUR DOUGH POEM

Pizza Hut sucks
They're taking our dough
Tell Becky and Peter
Text Susie and Joe
Their profits are rising
Our dough is all gone
Tell Bernie and Janet
Text Bobby and Dawn
This poem is over
Their money is gone
Hurry! Get me the number
Gotta call Papa John.

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Steven-Jacksonville 25 years ago does not apply today

AUTHOR: Steve - (USA)

Steven-Jacksonville,



What happened 25 years ago in the pizza delivery industry, as well as the insurance industry has absolutely no bearing on what goes on today.

Absolutely nothing.



Insurance rules have changed.

Labor laws have changed.



The bottom line here is that any pizza delivery driver that does not declare the "business use" of that personal vehicle to the insurance company is engaging in FRAUD by definition.



This fraud will cause that personal insurance policy to be cancelled and the claim denied if in an accident. Guaranteed.



Any subsequent claim filed against Pizza Hut or any other pizza restaurant who does deliveries WILL be denied, and end up in court.



Anyone who uses their own vehicle to deliver pizzas is a moron.

There is no actual profit in it when you consider the actual cost of operating that vehicle.

It's not just gas. It's wear and tear, maintenence, depreciation, and the ultimate replacement of the vehicle.



Even if you are driving a junker that is worth nothing, you still have to register it, insure it, repair it, and replace it. And, more deliveries = more miles which = more oil changes, more brake jobs, more tires, etc.



Gas alone at $4.00 a gallon on a vehicle that averages 15mpg around town represents a 27cpm cost.

If you average in all other costs of operating and replacing that vehicle, you are up around 70cpm in ACTUAL operational cost of a vehicle even if it is an old junker. If you are making a car payment and facing depreciation on a newer car, your operational cost could be well over $1 per mile. Actual cost.



Therefore, the dumb kid using his/her new compact car that runs 50 miles in a shift, loses the $50 in actual operational costs, and eats the depreciation on his/her vehicle which makes it worth less at resale.



Take $50 off what you make per day, and tell me what you have left over.

Now, is it worth it?

Or could you make more money at a minimum wage job and NOT tear up your car doing it?

Just common sense and 3rd grade math here.



So, for all of you people delivering pizza for someone else with your own vehicle, here's my advice.

STOP doing it!



Talk to your insurance carrier about what you are doing.

Talk to a CPA about your "business" expenses or unriembursed employee business expenses.



The bottom line here is that if there was any money to be made in delivering pizza, the pizza place would provide the vehicle, the insurance, the gas, the maintenence, etc to do the job, and hire a minimum wage worker to do it.



Again, just plain old common sense.

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#25 Consumer Comment

RIGHT

AUTHOR: mr rik - (USA)

Right On!

I had some earlier today.

Mmm!
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#26 Consumer Comment

Bakerma83, You can make a YouTube video like Dan did! If you 'Google' this- WALMART WANTS YOU DEAD, you can watch that video......

AUTHOR: Karl - (USA)

on the web. Dan made that video, and it has over 86,000 views!

You can make a video too. Maybe you can call it- 'Pizza Hut Took Our Dough'. You and a few other Pizza Hut employees can make a YouTube video and post it on the web. If you're afraid that the manager at Pizza Hut might recognize who you are in the video, simply put masks over your faces.

Good luck to you and all of the other employees!

I'll never buy Pizza Hut pizza again! From now on, I'm going to buy Papa John's pizza!

***BETTER INGREDIENTS...BETTER PIZZA...PAPA JOHN'S!!!
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#27 Consumer Comment

I don't doubt your experiences Steve

AUTHOR: Steven - (U.S.A.)

I am also speaking from personal experience and I know that at least for the employers that I have worked for that THEY are responsible for any accident I am in while I am using my car for THEIR business. So it really doesn't matter if my insurance pays it or not since I have been covered on their insurance. Simple as that.

Like you said insurance is based on mileage and the possibility of you having an accident no debate there Steve. I am saying that someone that delivers pizza more likely than not would not accrue as many miles like someone that delivers packages or uses their vehicle as part of a courier service (no doubt like you have done in the past).

If the delivery drivers were independent contractors and used their cars only to deliver pizzas then you would be correct. They could also claim the insurance expense as an itemized deduction as well as mileage on their taxes. Since they work for Pizza Hut they can't. 

Bottom line is they need to check with their insurance agency. I was told by mine 25 years ago that I did not need an commercial rider. He backed that up with proof from his companies policies. That is why I said the OP should probably check with his insurance carrier to see if it was necessary and get it in writing.

So maybe you should understand others point of views before you say they are lying.

But then again the OP can always check out this info from you:
ROR 706011

"I fully understand that most people who work in fast food are
genuine losers, usually with no education, or upbringing.
In general, fast food workers take that job because they are
just too stupid to do anything else, and/or have no goals in life.
The bottom line here is that you work in fast food for a reason.
You are an idiot."

"If the truth hurts, change it."
 
This is you true sentiment about anyone that is in the fast food industry out of your own posting. Losers join unions cause they don't have the work ethic to make it on their own.



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#28 Consumer Comment

Steven-Jacksonville that is incorrect

AUTHOR: Steve - (USA)

First of all, I never look at the "negative" side of things.

I look at the facts. If reality is negative, so be it.



Understand the difference between a commercial rider on your personal lines policy, and simply declaring business use of the vehicle.

This is a MAJOR difference.



Insurance rates are based largly on the use of the vehicle, the total mileage driven, the occupation of the insured, as well as driving record, age, gender and other household members, and even your credit score!. Lots of factors here.



However, when you LIE about the actual use of your personal vehicle, you have LEGALLY given the insurance company the right to cancel your policy, and deny your claim. This is the "material misrepresentation" clause of your policy. And EVERY insurer has this clause in every policy sold.



As soon as you use your vehicle to earn money, all of the rules change, as does the way your policy is "rated".



Pizza Hut is NOT legally responsible for drivers using thier own cars to deliver pizza.

They can be sued, and a jury could award damages, but not guaranteed.

If the victim of a Pizza Hut delivery driver filed a claim against Pizza Hut for that drivers actions while in the course of business delivering pizzas, Pizza Hut would laugh at them and say "see you in court"!

That is the reality of it.



And, like here in FL, a no-fault state, each parties insurance pays a percentage of bodily injury and lost wages regardless of fault. However, the property damage is NOT covered under the "no fault" rules.

And, these claims paid by the not at fault driver's insurance go to subrogation for recovery, and often the courtroom.



I have been through this personally.

I am speaking from experience.



As far as union dues go, the standard is 2 hours base pay per month.

A good deal no matter how you look at it.

And, yes, it does go towards your health and welfare, retirement, and other perks and services to members and non dues paying members alike in most states.



Anyone who belives in, or in any way supports "right to work", is a MORON and is the root cause of our current economic situation we are in. Stay away from the kool-aid, and get some real economic education.



Many establishments that use owner operator [employee] drivers, illegally treat them as 1099 contractors. That is flat out illegal, and anyone who has been victim to it needs to immediately file the IRS form SS-8.



Steven-Jacksonville is misinformed, and out of touch with reality.

But we have been down this road before.



But, I actually get these cases into court and get paid.

My track record speaks for itself.





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Steve always looks at the negative side of things. He forgot to mention the fact that PIZZA HUT is responsible for any accident you have driving your personal car for THEIR business. Part of the hiring process was a back ground check including your driving record. You were hired because you were an insurable risk.



You should not need to get a commercial rider unless your carrier requires it. What is the size of your delivery area? You may not even put enough extra miles on your car to justify the additional coverage. Merely stating that you use your vehicle to deliver pizzas should be good. But it never hurts to check.  Of course if you are using your car to get to or from work it is a good idea to declare that to your insurance company that goes without saying since even if you are in an accident and you state to the policeman or insurance agency you were on your way to work (or the accident occurs during a time of day that is classified as a rush hour)  and you stated before you just used it for personal pleasure then it doesn't matter if you were delivering pizzas or going to your regular job the carrier may have an excuse not to pay.



Unless you were driving in a careless manner or charged with DWI/DUI at the scene of the accident then PIZZA HUT may try to deny responsibility since you signed some kind of statement acknowledging that you were an employee of PIZZA HUT and agreed to drive your car in a safe manner or according to their safety policy. 



As far as the union stuff. Well let's just say that you may moving from one exploiter to another.Some questions to ask would be what does the union do for you with the dues money it collects.Does it go towards health insurance? Does it go towards retirement? How much will the union deduct from YOUR wages for dues? What do they use that money for? Did you know that while the unions are claiming to be for the workers in the U.S. that they are lobbying for immigration amnesty hoping to get illegal aliens into the union after they are granted citizenship.



Other info from Steve is good to but was this bit about being an independent contractor something your coworkers speculated about or something your manager said??



I agree you should get the rest of the money for delivery. When I worked for them 25 something years ago (when they first started delivering) there was a small charge tacked on that the drivers received in whole. Ask your manager where the rest of it goes. I think he may tell you it is for the premiums on the insurance that you are covered under. If he says something else note it. Way back in the day when they gave the drivers the whole amount (I think it was a whopping 75 cents or a dollar per pizza) they put it in the expense column of the paper work to be logged as a working expense. Should be interesting to see how they classify it now since they keep 1.60 of it.

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#29 Consumer Comment

Basically good info from Steve but

AUTHOR: Steven - (U.S.A.)

Steve always looks at the negative side of things. He forgot to mention the fact that PIZZA HUT is responsible for any accident you have driving your personal car for THEIR business. Part of the hiring process was a back ground check including your driving record. You were hired because you were an insurable risk.

You should not need to get a commercial rider unless your carrier requires it. What is the size of your delivery area? You may not even put enough extra miles on your car to justify the additional coverage. Merely stating that you use your vehicle to deliver pizzas should be good. But it never hurts to check.  Of course if you are using your car to get to or from work it is a good idea to declare that to your insurance company that goes without saying since even if you are in an accident and you state to the policeman or insurance agency you were on your way to work (or the accident occurs during a time of day that is classified as a rush hour)  and you stated before you just used it for personal pleasure then it doesn't matter if you were delivering pizzas or going to your regular job the carrier may have an excuse not to pay.

Unless you were driving in a careless manner or charged with DWI/DUI at the scene of the accident then PIZZA HUT may try to deny responsibility since you signed some kind of statement acknowledging that you were an employee of PIZZA HUT and agreed to drive your car in a safe manner or according to their safety policy. 

As far as the union stuff. Well let's just say that you may moving from one exploiter to another.Some questions to ask would be what does the union do for you with the dues money it collects.Does it go towards health insurance? Does it go towards retirement? How much will the union deduct from YOUR wages for dues? What do they use that money for? Did you know that while the unions are claiming to be for the workers in the U.S. that they are lobbying for immigration amnesty hoping to get illegal aliens into the union after they are granted citizenship.

Other info from Steve is good to but was this bit about being an independent contractor something your coworkers speculated about or something your manager said??

I agree you should get the rest of the money for delivery. When I worked for them 25 something years ago (when they first started delivering) there was a small charge tacked on that the drivers received in whole. Ask your manager where the rest of it goes. I think he may tell you it is for the premiums on the insurance that you are covered under. If he says something else note it. Way back in the day when they gave the drivers the whole amount (I think it was a whopping 75 cents or a dollar per pizza) they put it in the expense column of the paper work to be logged as a working expense. Should be interesting to see how they classify it now since they keep 1.60 of it.
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#30 UPDATE Employee

thank you steve

AUTHOR: mxforce1 - (United States of America)

wow you just gave out the info that no one would ever tell me without having to pay for it great advice and will be trying a few of those suggestions cause i know what there doing isnt right i just dont know how to prove it ...Thank you steve you should be a lawyer.....
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#31 Consumer Comment

Here is the "biggie" that nobody caught!

AUTHOR: Steve - (USA)

There are numerous problems with the pizza delivery operations as we know tham.



Here is the biggie that the Pizza Hut manager doesn't tell you.



They are leaving you on the hook to possibly face a lawsuit if you have an accident while delivering pizzas.

Why, you ask?

I'll explain.

If you are using your personal vehicle for business use, you MUST declare that use to your insurance company and get the conmercial use rider on your personal lines coverage.

Here's what happens. You have an accident while delivering pizza. You are charged with the accident.

Now all of a sudden your insurance carrier decides they want a way out of paying the claim.

They nail you for "material misrepresentation", and subsequently cancel your policy.

You are now on your own with the other party's damages.

This is a normal course of business in the insurance business.



If you are delivering pizza's and you have not declared that business use of your personal vehicle to your insurer, you are asking for trouble.



There has never been any real money in delivering pizza's.

The overall long term expenses always outweigh whatever money you make.

The restaurant knows this, and that is why they do not provide the vehicle, insurance, gas, maint, etc.

They know that delivering pizza is a losing deal!

Just common sense.



And, if any pizza restaurant tries telling you that you are an independent contractor, rest assured, you are NOT. Do the IRS form SS-8 on them.



And, you cannot be an employee part of the time, and an independent contractor at other times during the same workday. That is illegal.



You are either an employee, or you are an independent contractor.



The fact they they pay you an hourly wage, establish work rules, and set your schedule, makes you an employee. Do that SS-8.



For now, file with the wage and hour division in your state.

There are rules that need to be adhered to in changing you to a sub-minimum wage.



I have been down this road in a similar industry.

Want to bust them?

Report all of your actual tips.

Why, you ask?

It increases your average gross wage that will determine your unemployment amount when they fire you, and it also increases the unemployment insurance premiums. It also increases the amount of your SS matching they have to pay in on your behalf. It also increases the amount of workmans comp you collect if you are injured, and or any permanent disability pay if you get disabled on the job, like when you get shot and robbed, etc.



Want to really have fun with these pukes?

Seek out union organization!

Then when they fire you, file the NLRB case against them.

It's an easy $10k in your pocket.

I have done that to 2 different companies.

Easy money, and a great way to educate lowlife losers.



Have fun. Get paid!





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#32 Consumer Suggestion

I guess that means NO PIZZA HUT FOR ME TONIGHT!

AUTHOR: mr. rik - (USA)

Never lilked em much anyway, crappy ingredients, crappy pizza. Guess I'll be ordering from PAPA JOHN'S, the guy WHO MADE PIZZA HUT HIS BITCH!
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#33 UPDATE Employee

too pay us even less while we use our cars

AUTHOR: mxforce1 - (United States of America)

all the drivers would quit in fact i almost have im at a new job now my new boss asked me to look up this subject on internet to see if it was just me there are more forums on this subject if it was a company car id still drive but not when i have to pay for tires oil ad brakes for my car and i get no kind of re-inbursment....who cares who the best is i kow im faster than all my other drivers cause i have gps on iphone and i call customers if i cant find them .... my drive times are the best in my store they have to be cause im lead driver but who cares about that is it getting me a raise aytime soon .....nope....is going to cause me to get into an accident sooner or later for trying to go to fast like the domioes driver maybe....if they think a driver is slaking on delivery time fire him or throw a lowjack or monitoring device on him like the big rigs have on them and be done with it ...this about pizza hut making more money thats it....let me just put it this way SUBWAY thinking notice dollar menus and 5 dollar mia pizzas that sucked....The man use to call me the N word but i just call the people who are running this business like this a hindu.....call it how i see it cause i worked at a subway before same thing trained me for manager all summer worked real hard then winter came he wanted me to do all the work of manager but get paid regular wage not the raise he had gave me for summer..... all this is sounding all too familiar to me....we signed application that said nothing of pay being reduced at anytime termination yes not pay decrease...
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#34 Consumer Comment

Almost sounds like they are re-classifying you

AUTHOR: Steven - (U.S.A.)

You may want to check out your local labor laws. Sounds like they are re-classifying their drivers as waiters in which case I am pretty sure they can pay you a lower hourly wage because they include tip income as part of the wage. Example you get paid 4.25 an hour but during that hour you deliver pizzas to x amount of customers and you should be getting x amount for tips an hour.

Supposedly this is another way to judge performance as well. The more tips you declare the better driver you are.
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#35 UPDATE Employee

just got my paycheck

AUTHOR: mxforce1 - (United States of America)

as a driver just got my check on my pay day yesturday wednesday and it showed 162 dollars in credit card tips i was given in two weeks.... ok remeber that part i have 49 hours for the two weeks 26 of which is at 5.30 other 23 at 8.30 ... on my check stub here i have 490.00 gross earning  after they take out 162 for the tip out and the 97 and change for my regular taxes i have a check for 230 for two weeks worth of work almost 50 hours 260 dollars gone...now the credit card thing reporting all of these tips was i guess bound to happen but take 3 more dollars away and our accident free hour program away as well this job is no longer worth doing at least not in my car .....company car maybe...
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