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  • Submitted: Fri, October 30, 2009
  • Updated: Wed, April 09, 2014

  • Reported By: John — Staten Island New York U.S.A.
Power of 4 system
Internet United States of America

Power of 4 system Infinity Downline Home business Internet

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Infinity Downline research.

*Consumer Comment: The Power Of 4 System Does Cost Money

*Author of original report: Ok Cherry picker, Ken St. Charles Aspinwall, Pay Attention!

*General Comment: Power of Four, ID, The Prosperity Connection and Me

*Author of original report: SAME AGENDA, HUH?

*Author of original report: "BY GEORGE, YOU'RE A LIAR"!

*Consumer Comment: Both The Power of 4 System and Infinity Downline are Legitimate.

*Consumer Comment: Power of 4 and Infinity

*Author of original report: Careful!

*Author of original report: Read, Comprehend, then Respond!

*General Comment: This is not a babysitting program

*Consumer Comment: The Power Of 4 System is not a rip-off at all

*General Comment: Power of 4 System is fine.

*Author of original report: Relax???

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Power of 4 support system

*Consumer Comment: glad I didn't join

*Consumer Comment: This is really a shame.

*Author of original report: Rebuttal Update

*General Comment: Powerof4system is Free?

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The Power of 4 system (PO4) is a complete fraud and rip off of the Infinity Downline (ID) web site. I joined and interestingly when you join PO4 you actually get redirected to the ID website to set up your business. You'll get a welcome email with a username/Pasword to the PO4 website as well as your affiliate link to promote. This email comes from your sponsor. However, you also get 2 welcome emails rom ID (Because you joined through their website). One has your username/Password to the ID website, the second has your affiliate link to promote your ID website. Obviously someone who had joined ID has setup their own business called PO4 piggybacking off of ID without their knowledge. When you have problems with PO4, you're on your own. I sent several emails to the PO4 website contact us link as well as to the PO4 support email address over 3 days because of a problem one of my prospective members had when signing up. I never heard from them even after voicing my frustration and then anger. My sponsor who emailed me several times during my sign-up and set-updays, never answered these emails either. I've cancelled my subscription which, is set up through ID. Do yourself a favor...DO NOT GET INVOLVED WITH THESE PEOPLE. I can be reached for comment at any time through this website.


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#1 REBUTTAL Individual responds

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#2 Consumer Comment

The Power Of 4 System Does Cost Money

AUTHOR: BelindaCondell - (USA)

I bought the Power Of 4 System when I was in Infinity Downline a few months ago. I had to pay a one time fee of $67.00. After I paid for it, within 3 days the website and system didn't even exist anymore. Since then Peter Wolfing must have taken it out of the back office where I got it from. So I got ripped Off and lost $67.00 on top of it. Not by Peter Wolfing, but by whoever made the website and system itself for it. The system and website aren't free at all. Buyer Beware!


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#3 Author of original report

Ok Cherry picker, Ken St. Charles Aspinwall, Pay Attention!

AUTHOR: Johnny swade - (U.S.A.)

Ok Cherry picker, Ken St. Charles Aspinwall, Pay Attention:


 


1)     The plaintiff seems to have forgotten to understand that we are all independent business people. Infinity Downline is a mere software application offering the user a platform on which to build their own business group. While it is truly unfortunate that we sometimes get bum sponsors, this has nothing to do with the provider of the platform.


 


1 A) This is what I say in rebuttal #6 to this rip off report. Let me state once again for those who choose to ignore, "I'm referring to the PO4 system and not Infinity Downline".Its good to see you dont pay attention either. Idiot!


 


 


2)     It is clear to see that the plaintiff is a newbie and requires an undue amount of attention. The plaintiff appears to be lacking in the background, skills and experience to undertake any business. The plaintiff has made an enormous mistake in judgment. The plaintiff must share in the responsibility and has greatly failed himself by going about business carelessly.


 


 


  2 A) Ive stated I was a newbie several times. Therefore, I required a normal amount of attention. There is nothing UNDUE about what one of your new customers require when its a simple matter of customer service which all customers should reasonably expect.  Also, I wrote in rebuttal #6 that I am very successful in my life and career in recruiting and sales for over 17 years. Therefore, I have more than adequate background, skills and experience to undertake any business Speaking without the facts or paying attention. Huh, Ken?


 


 


3)     The plaintiff has an undeniable claim against a non-supportive sponsor, but that is the end of the matter. Infinity Downline is not culpable for the plaintiffs lack of skills or the unsupportive sponsor. It was the sponsor who failed to be supportive of the plaintiff. It was the plaintiff who failed to interview and qualify this sponsor.


 


 


3 A) Once again, Genius: This is what I say in rebuttal #6 to this rip off report. Let me state once again for those who choose to ignore, "I'm referring to the PO4 system and not Infinity Downline" In addition, as I state in rebuttal # 15, I didnt pick the sponsor or the support personnel from the PO4 system. They picked me through Marketing, just as most people are attracted to and sign up for a home business opportunity. As a newbie, I didnt know nor should have I been expected to know that I needed to qualify the sponsor. Most newbies wouldnt even know how to do that. Nor should they. If you knew anything about customer service, training or Taking care of your people, I wouldnt have to tell you that..Once againPAY ATTENTION, KEN!


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#4 General Comment

Power of Four, ID, The Prosperity Connection and Me

AUTHOR: the Enterpriser - (United States of America)

So you will know, Peter Wolfing is the owner of ID and I am in Frank Lefebre's orbit. Infinity has received a B+ rating from IM Report Card. The ratings are based on consumer polls. I acquired Infinity Downline on January 8, 2010 with the intention of using ID as a platform on which to build my own business, The Prosperity Connection. This is our story and we are pleased to tell it.

I have total respect for Peter Wolfing and Frank Lefebre. Frank is a busy man, but he has taken the time to help me on numerous calls that I put in to him. He is a super income earner and he takes time for me. He has made several good recommendations to me on how to effectively acquire prospects.

Today, Infinity has been in business for about two years and there are approx. 140,000 client members. Frank himself earns several $1,000 a month with this system. As for us, we are extremely pleased, but there is a catch. We simply know what we are doing and Infinity was selected as a tool to help us accomplish our own business objectives. We use it as a platform and refer to it as our cornerstone to the Money Power System. Again, ID is not our business. It is merely a platform on which we build the Prosperity Connection. Rather than us go and spend over $7,000 to build our own custom software, we can rent it for $25.00 a month. That's one heckuva bargain for us and we love it.

Caution. Infinity Downline is not a set it and forget it proposition. It is also not a GRQ thing. ID requires a clear idea by the user and the user must work it like a tool. Let's use an oil well for an example. Anybody can climb up on an oil well or a crane or a railroad engine or get into the cockpit of a jet. However, not everybody has the training to use those tools and they are just inert tools, until a skilled operator gets  under the wheel. It's the same with Infinity or any other business platform. It is up to you to have your own vision and skill set. Do not come into a business, unless you are prepared or have engaged a training service like The Prosperity Connection. You might be able to sit under the wheel, but it takes a skilled operator to make those wheels on the ground to roll. Acquire the essential training and skills from us.

Within three days of implementing ID, we received our first client member. We made the effort to reach out and receive clients. We quickly began to acquire about three new members a month. Of course, I had to promote to get this and promotion is a required business function. How else do you acquire customers and clients without promotion?

The plaintiff seems to have forgotten to understand that we are all independent business people. Infinity Downline is a mere software application offering the user a platform on which to build their own business group. While it is truly unfortunate that we sometimes get bum sponsors, this has nothing to do with the provider of the platform. Actually, I have great admiration for Peter Wolfing for having created Infinity Downline. ID is far superior to 90% of the things offered on the internet. We've only found one other program that even comes close to Infinity Downline.

It is clear to see that the plaintiff is a newbie and requires an undue amount of attention. The plaintiff appears to be lacking in the background, skills and experience to undertake any business. The plaintiff has made an enormous mistake in judgment. The plaintiff must share in the responsibility and has greatly failed himself by going about business carelessly.

The plaintiff has an undeniable claim against a non-supportive sponsor, but that is the end of the matter. Infinity Downline is not culpable for the plaintiffs lack of skills or the unsupportive sponsor. It was the sponsor who failed to be supportive of the plaintiff. It was the plaintiff who failed to interview and qualify this sponsor. Had the plaintiff talked to us, he would be in the hands of professionals. He would be pleased. He would be making progress in business. He would have a caring mentor.

I am writing this for one simple reason. I decry the uninformed judgment that leads people to come to RipOff and make unfair claims and blame people and things that are in themselves not at fault.

Having been using the Infnity Downline platform to build my own membership group, it is what it is and for me it is a very powerful tool. ID serves as my chosen platform to build my own membership group. It's called The Prosperity Connection.

Not all sponsors have the ability to render support. If you are a newbie, it is your duty to inquire of a prospective sponsor. Find out about the perks and the support they intend to provide apart from the ID {or any other} system. If the person interviewed does not seem to offer much value, keep looking until you find what you want.

The Power of Four is a concept that must be understood to appreciate. It is a mere approach to doing the business. It requires thinking. You must think and learn to embrace concepts. You must let your imagination come into play. If you are not letting your imagination to kick into gear, you should learn to let it play.

The Prosperity Connection also has a concept called "The Money Power System," and I designed the concept and the marketing group. We offer everything from training, concept building through advanced marketing skills.

It is your duty to have a clear vision about what you are getting into. This is the way we operate. There are no surprises except pleasant surprises. We have many happy clients and several of them have agreed to take calls and give testimonials.

We believe in people helping people. We build people with the knowledge and skills to be successful in online marketing. We implement the law of attraction. We build synergy among people.

Kindest Personal Regards,

Ken St. Charles Aspinwall, Founder
Alpha Academy of Marketing
http://whoiskenaspinwall.blogspot.com

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#5 Author of original report

SAME AGENDA, HUH?

AUTHOR: Johnny swade - (U.S.A.)

   

Just a few things here GEORGE, since youre obviously an Agenda Driven Liar.

 

1) You:  It is clear that the person who wrote this report does not understand how to market on the internet.

 

    Me: I thought you were trying to help all marketers, including Novices??? Just this statement proves youre only in it for yourself. This lends more credibility to my story as it proves youre arrogant and care nothing about peopleJust Money!

 

 

 

2) You: I can understand that the writer may not have received as timely a response to his request for assistance from the P04 people, but that is no reason to claim it is a scam.

 

    Me: Thats why I was scammed. It wasnt that I received an untimely response..It was I sent several emails to the PO4 website contact us link as well as to the PO4 support email address over 3 days because of a problem one of my prospective members had when signing up. I never heard from them even after voicing my frustration and then anger.  I also didnt hear from the sponsor.

 

 

 

3) You: just because the writer picked a sponsor who was unresponsive to his needs does not make P04 a scam.  It actually indicates further that the writer is a complete novice at online business and did not have adequate contact information

for his sponsor. 

 

      Me: This proves youre full of it.A) I didnt pick the sponsor or the support personnel from the PO4 system. They picked me through Marketing, just as most people are attracted to and sign up for a home business opportunity. B) Once again, keep putting down Novices as it speaks volumes of your business. In addition, I had more than adequate contact information. I had what the sponsor and the PO4 support staff gave me. Refer to my answer in #2 above. Obviously, if thats not adequate, youre proving my point once again.

 

 

 

4) You: I happen to know that they have different levels of service that it offers a person to pass on to their affiliates and PO4 has gone above the standard level of service to provide the members who sign up for a lead capture system the best possible level of service.

 

    Me: This is an absolute lie as they had only one level of service when this occurred. But, you just keep saying whatever you need to in order to make yourself more money. Dont let the facts get in the way of your argument.

 

 

5) You: In conclusion, I believe that the writer of this report was irresponsible and somewhat hysterical in writing this because he is interfering with those that are successfully using these systems to build a living and quite frankly help a lot of people who cannot afford the higher costing systems.  People should be more responsible when they throw around the word "Scam". 

 

  

    Me: I dont care what you think as I wrote the Exact Truth. This was exactly what happened and if writing the truth interferes with your business, maybe you shouldnt be in business. Whats hysterical and irresponsible is your desire to keep the truth hidden from prospective members in order to advance your agenda! You should be more responsible when writing your opinion regardless of the truth. You dont know what happened or care and yet you speak about it as if you were there. Youd make a good Washington Politician, GEORGE!

 

John

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"BY GEORGE, YOU'RE A LIAR"!

AUTHOR: Johnny swade - (U.S.A.)

Just a few things here GEORGE, since youre obviously an Agenda Driven Liar.

 

1) You:  It is clear that the person who wrote this report does not understand how to market on the internet.

 

    Me: I thought you were trying to help all marketers, including Novices??? Just this statement proves youre only in it for yourself. This lends more credibility to my story as it proves youre arrogant and care nothing about peopleJust Money!

 

 

 

2) You: I can understand that the writer may not have received as timely a response to his request for assistance from the P04 people, but that is no reason to claim it is a scam.

 

    Me: Thats why I was scammed. It wasnt that I received an untimely response..It was I sent several emails to the PO4 website contact us link as well as to the PO4 support email address over 3 days because of a problem one of my prospective members had when signing up. I never heard from them even after voicing my frustration and then anger.  I also didnt hear from the sponsor.

 

 

 

3) You: just because the writer picked a sponsor who was unresponsive to his needs does not make P04 a scam.  It actually indicates further that the writer is a complete

novice at online business and did not have adequate contact information  for his sponsor. 

 

      Me: This proves youre full of it.A) I didnt pick the sponsor or the support personnel from the PO4 system. They picked me through Marketing, just as most people are attracted to and sign up for a home business opportunity. B) Once again, keep putting down Novices as it speaks volumes of your business. In addition, I had more than adequate contact information. I had what the sponsor and the PO4 support staff gave me. Refer to my answer in #2 above. Obviously, if thats not adequate, youre proving my point once again.

 

 

 

4) You: I happen to know that they have different levels of service that it offers a person to pass on to their affiliates and PO4 has gone above the standard level of service to provide the members who sign up for a lead capture system the best possible level of service.

 

    Me: This is an absolute lie as they had only one level of service when this occurred. But, you just keep saying whatever you need to in order to make yourself more money. Dont let the facts get in the way of your argument.

 

 

5) You: In conclusion, I believe that the writer of this report was irresponsible and somewhat hysterical in writing this because he is interfering with those that are successfully using these systems to build a living and quite frankly help a lot of people who cannot afford the higher costing systems.  People should be more responsible when they throw around the word "Scam". 

 

  

    Me: I dont care what you think as I wrote the Exact Truth. This was exactly what happened and if writing the truth interferes with your business, maybe you shouldnt be in business. Whats hysterical and irresponsible is your desire to keep the truth hidden from prospective members in order to advance your agenda! You should be more responsible when writing your opinion regardless of the truth. You dont know what happened or care and yet you speak about it as if you were there. Youd make a good Washington Politician, GEORGE!

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#7 Consumer Comment

Both The Power of 4 System and Infinity Downline are Legitimate.

AUTHOR: George - (United States of America)

The Power of 4 System (P04) is not a scam and is not a ripoff.  It is a lead capture and marketing system that actually works and works well. 


The fact that you receive join information from Infinity Downline as well as P04 only makes sense since they are two different systems.  Considering the extensive experience that the owner of Infinity Downline has, it is 99.99% unlikely that they are not aware of P04.  



It is clear that the person who wrote this report does not understand how to market on the internet.  The use of a lead capture page is imperative for business growth to exist.  



The entire P04 system is a lead capture page, pre-selling system and autoresponder system, that makes it much easier to convert a prospect.



I can understand that the writer may not have received as timely a response to his request for assistance from the P04 people, but that is no reason to claim it is a scam.

What you are saying when you say scam is really fraud.  It is clearly not a fraud.  



Also, just because the writer picked a sponsor who was unresponsive to his needs does not make P04 a scam.  It actually indicates further that the writer is a complete novice at online business and did not have adequate contact information for his sponsor. 



I unequivocally express that Infinity Downline is absolutely legitimate and is making many people a lot of money.  Additionally, I happen to know the system that P04 uses as it's capture page system  I happen to know that they have different levels of service that it offers a person to pass on to their affiliates and PO4 has gone above the standard level of service to provide the members who sign up for a lead capture system the best possible level of service.  



In conclusion, I believe that the writer of this report was irresponsible and somewhat hysterical in writing this because he is interfering with those that are successfully using these systems to build a living and quite frankly help a lot of people who cannot afford the higher costing systems.  People should be more responsible when they throw around the word "Scam". 
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Power of 4 and Infinity

AUTHOR: Susan Leiker - (United States of America)

When I join any business, I WILL NOT join under any link if I can't talk to the person. It is the responsibility of the person that sold you the program to help you, and if they can't help they should go to the person they bought from, and if no one can help then try the company. I tell people right up from when I sell anything to contact me first before they bother the company. That is what customer service is all about. I am even totally global. People can contact me via phone, e-mail, or my live voice/text chat room. We have been in the customer service industry for over 20 years, and we work with everyone even if they are not in our group. If you look for mtl4u . com, we would like to help anyone we can, it is all free. I can't believe all the people now trying to copy this program. Just watch, I know program owners trying to do it as we speak. This is a fantastic concept and I take my hat off to the company and thank The Power Of 4 System for the splash page. I also would like to give kudos to this site. Other scam site won't let you post anything positive unless you pay them. That is true, I worked for a company several years ago and that happened.
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#9 Author of original report

Careful!

AUTHOR: Johnny swade - (U.S.A.)

 

         Listen, nameless....I am not a person who complains a lot so watch what you say. I simply posted my initial experience with PO4 so people would be aware of what I encountered. I immediately left the program so your comment is invalid as well as rude. Also, I wasn't expecting a babysitter. I was expecting customer service since I was new to the program which, was not received from the so called "support personnel" or the sponsor. Once again, I can prove it to anyone who wishes to disagree. If you want to tell of your experience, go ahead. Do not dare judge me based on mine. Lastly, your comment of swine. Watch yourself!

 

 

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Read, Comprehend, then Respond!

AUTHOR: Johnny swade - (U.S.A.)

 

              Apparently you're just one of the many people who want to respond without comprehending what I wrote. I never said it was a rip off of that site, I said it was a rip off because of my experience, which is valid. In addition, how are you supposed to be more careful who you buy from, after you purchase the system and learn your sponsor isn't keeping up communication??? You make "No Sense".

 

   John

 

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#11 General Comment

This is not a babysitting program

AUTHOR: gotcash.biz - (United States of America)

It seems to me that people who complain a lot shouldn't be in your team to begin with. Folks, you should engage in duplicatable activities. You don't want to be babysitting everyday. The tools have already been given. This is a killer program. Now go, increase and multiplye! Don't give pearls to swine.
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#12 Consumer Comment

The Power Of 4 System is not a rip-off at all

AUTHOR: Susan Leiker - (United States of America)

I also have a page with The Power Of 4 System.  I don't think people understand what the Power Of 4 is.  The Power Of 4 System is a splash page for Infinity 100 and Infinity Downline.  It is NOT a rip-off of that site.  When you join Infinity, you do not have to buy The Power Of 4 System at all.  I bought it because it is a very good splash page and has worked out very well for me.  I have never had any problems with it at all. 

If someone is having a problem, they should first contact the person who sold them the Infinity system, and if they don't help you. then be more careful. as to who your buy from.

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#13 General Comment

Power of 4 System is fine.

AUTHOR: Deaf25 - (United States of America)

I am independent Infinity Downline and Infinity 100 distributor since January 2010. I have signed up about 15 direct ID refers with many power lines that give me the income of about $700 a month so far. Not bad for $25 dollars investment and I have not even started doing massive promotion!   Not to mention that I am deaf!

Like Peter said, you should not allow the lack of communication from your sponsor stop you.  You are your own company which is why you need to study their marketing tools in the back office or PO4's resource to help you promote your company.  Try to be creative and set yourself apart from the rest of many ID people with same replicate sites.  You will see the results.  I guess people nowsday are making big deal over little negative things, including mis-communcation with their sponsor that they decided to calls it quit.

I agreed with what Peter said in his defense.  He did a great job with people and despite few hiccups from my downline, he does take care of us. 

Your bad experience with sponsor or "support system" does not make Infinity Downline a scam. Infinity Downline, created by Peter's BBB "A rating" company, has been in business sine May 2009 and has not labeled as "scam" by the government, yet you think they are just because of issue with your sponsor?  

I understand your frustrations.  Why not take a break for a while and I will be happy to help you should you reconsider to re-join in the future.  And I will make sure to see your business take off.  :-)

Good luck.

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Relax???

AUTHOR: Johnny swade - (U.S.A.)

 Let me state once again for those who choose to ignore, "I'm referring to the PO4 system and not Infinity Downline"


This is your 1st quote: "People should join any program with the desire to go forward with or without their sponsor and not let any mis-communication stop them and not blame anyone else for their success or failure other than themselves".


How dare you say that. I wrote exactly what occurred and it's obvious to others reading it that the sponsor was wrong. Especially Newbies reading this. How do you expect a newbie to expect go forward without the sponsor's help and the alleged support staff's help? I am very successful in my life and career. However, you expect the people who communicate with you so you sign up, to keep up the communication after you join. I'm involved in recruiting and sales for over 17 years and I can tell you if we did that to recruits after they joined, we wouldn't get many more once our true colors were exposed.


This is your 2nd and 3rd quote: "To date there are over 60,000 people that have joined and I am sure a ton more will follow as they see what we offer is real.  With those large numbers don't you think there will be a few unhappy people?  It's inevitable.........."After being in this industry almost 20 years, sometimes people search out any possible reason to complain or blame about their failure." 


Don't try to label me as an unhappy consumer as if I have no right to be. I stand by everything I wrote because it's true. If you think people reading this are going to agree with the sponsor and support staff's lack of communication and support, then your crazy. We'll just let the people who come across these statements decide for themselves. So far it seems they agree with my judgement as it is factually accurate and unbiased. I'll state again, I can prove it and will if any consumer wishes to see it.


I guess you'll say anything to keep bringing in the customers. Your statements unlike mine are biased as it affects your bottom line. What is the line you used twice??


"I think you know what I mean"....Seems appropriate here, people.


 


                                                                            John

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#15 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Power of 4 support system

AUTHOR: Peter - (United States of America)

OK everyone. Relax.  The power of 4 system was designed by an independent distributor to help their group.  At first is was free but soon turned out to be difficult if not impossible to support for free.  The company was not aware of the PO4 system at the time of the support emails so thus the replies to that effect.

We have since then decided to take the PO4 system and support it as well as endorse it due to it's high quality and effectiveness.

It is an optional tool to help independent members of infinity downline and infinity 100.  Nothing more.

It is now an optional paid service that members can use or not use.

Sometimes as with any company, members find sponsors that just do not communicate with them.  It happens.  People should join any program with the desire to go forward with or without their sponsor and not let any mis-communication stop them and not blame anyone else for their success or failure other than themselves.  Of course in some instances it is not from them but I think you ounderstamd what I am saying.

Infinity downline and its sister program infinity 100 is designed to be the highest paying programs anywhere on the market.  A true 100% net payout with no admin fee as well.  Thus support is there but with such a lofty payout comes drawbacks.  Members must take responsibility for their own business.  Everythig possible is automated in order to increase payout and streamline the entire process.
 
To date there are over 60,000 people that have joined and I am sure a ton more will follow as they see what we offer is real.  With those large numbers don't you think there will be a few unhappy people?  It's inevitable.  We strive to have 100% of the members happy but sorry to say that it is a goal that is unobtainable.

After bing in this industry almost 20 years, sometimes people search out any possible reason to complain or blame about their failure.  Not to say the people in these posts are failures but I think you know what I mean.

Peter
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#16 Consumer Comment

glad I didn't join

AUTHOR: Mark Molina - (USA)

I am also in Infinity Downline.  I thought Power of 4 sounded
like a great idea.  I understood it was a feeder program for
ID.  But the fact that they don't have support really bothers
me.

I was really interested in the postcard program attached
to the system.  Anyway, thanks for the feedback.

Mark
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#17 Consumer Comment

This is really a shame.

AUTHOR: Mike - (United States of America)

I am currently a part of Infinity Downline and it is a shame that someone is making a bad name for people who actually want to help people become successful. I pity the person that isn't supporting the people they bring into their business because they are hurting themselves and the possibility that any of those people will ever try an online business ever again. I believe ID is a great opportunity and if you have a good mentor then you can make a good living for yourself. I am just sorry that people have to go through this kind of treatment because they ruin the chances of everyone's success, and they turn potentially great team members off by being greedy and not caring about anyone but themselves. I however am not a member of this PO4 system and personally I'm glad
because then they would have tarnished my good name and made it harder for me to help people get what they deserve out of life. I would like to personally apologize for the inconsiderate person who has treated you like this and I hope that it will not tarnish your view of ID because of the actions of one greedy person. If you ever do decide to give ID a try again please feel free to contact me at mikeb1022@gmail.com. I love working with sharp people and you apparently know what you want in life. If you have any questions or comments that I may be able to help you with please contact me. 
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AUTHOR: Johnny swade - (U.S.A.)


This Independent Representative of ID has a few facts incorrect here. 1) When I tried contacting the customer service of PO4 system, I also cc'd the ID customer Service to keep them informed of this chain of events. The ID representative who emailed me (Peter), stated he had No knowledge of this PO4 system. Even though one of the autoresponder emails from PO4 states "Power of 4 has teamed up with Infinity Downline to offer people an unbeatable triple combination". He also asked me not to lump ID in with whatever difficulties I was having with PO4. 2) In addition, although there is no charge for PO4, it is used to market ID and therefore costs you the same fee to enter the program and you don't need PO4 as ID has it's own marketing system and customer service that actually answers questions. Let me read you a quote from the PO4 customer service when they finall answered me..."Although the system is very powerful and has a lot of potential, we just don't have time...to support it... and since it's 100% free, it is not worth our time or effort". That's not something they tell you when you sign up with them and shouldn't you expect a system you signing up for to be supported??? Most consumers would think so and this is what makes it a Rip-Off despite being a free way to market a system you do pay for. 3) "This person may not of had good communications with the person who referred them to the powerof4system".........Let me respond to Brian's rebuttal claim here. Didn't I say in my initial report, quote "I sent several emails to the PO4 website contact us link as well as to the PO4 support email address over 3 days because of a problem one of my prospective members had when signing up. I never heard from them even after voicing my frustration and then anger. My sponsor who emailed me several times during my sign-up and set-updays, never answered these emails". This wasn't my fault, it was the sponsors, and he is the one who promoted PO4 and influenced me to join. I belive this sums up the reasons not to join this system. I will divulge all emails between myself, PO4 and my sponsor upon any request to support my claims. Thanks.

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Powerof4system is Free?

AUTHOR: briandavis - (United States of America)

I am not a member of the powerof4system, however; I am an independent representative of infinity downline. I don't see how Powerof4system can be called a rippoff in this context being that it is a free system or service. I did a Google search for the powerof4system and found that the program is used to promote infinitydownline and clearly states that in the setup process, there is actually no way possible that one would not know that the powerof4system was not used to promote or build infinitydownline. Unfortanately this person may not of had good communications with the person who referred them to the powerof4system, however; I really don't see how that makes it a rippoff after all the Powerof4system is Free.

Brian

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