• Report: #1125546

Complaint Review: Powerhouse Cars International

  • Submitted: Fri, February 21, 2014
  • Updated: Tue, August 19, 2014

  • Reported By: Howard — Port Orange Florida
Powerhouse Cars International
433 Lewiston Road Dayton, Ohio USA

Powerhouse Cars International Tom Harting Total Misrepresentation and Failure to Execute on Agreements Dayton Ohio

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Clients remarks about Power House cars

*Author of original report: Please Tom, admit you are not honest

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Power House cars / Tom Harting

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: THIS IS THE CAR THAT HOWARD WAS IN QUESTION ABOUT

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: OWNER OF POWER HOUSE CARS

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: RIP OFF REPORT HAS RIPPED ME OFF!!! *Comment from Ripoff Report:  in order to set the record straight, Ripoff Report has filed a Rebuttal, to this Rebuttal.  Please look for that information to get both sides of the story”

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Howard You made the trade,what you state is a pack of lies.

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Power House Cars

*Author of original report: I stand by the facts I submitted

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Power House Cars

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: howard

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: 1933 Vicky trade

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In December of 2013 I enquired about a vehicle that was listed at the Website powerhousecarsint.com and after two months of negotiation and assurance from the supposed "Business Owner" I can now unfortunately attest to this being the most crooked outfit I have dealt with since buying my first car in 1959...yes...1959.

Here are the quick facts (for those how do not want to read the details).

  1. This is not a dealership
  2. It is not a business 
  3. There is no business checking account or other banking relationship
  4. There is no Ohio dealers license
  5. There is no Ohio business license or TAX ID (a full report is in transit to the Ohio Department of Revenue
  6. Mr. Harting made mutiple statements that are totally untrue
  7. Mr. Harting is unresponsive to all requests for discussion, will not take a phone call
  8. Mr. Harting is unresponsive to requested mediation
  9. Damages amount to over $6,000.00
  10. Even his voice mail greeting is not factual:  There is no "WE" in Powerhouse Cars International

Do not let his website fool you.

The transaction in question involved a car on Consignment to Mr. Harting and represented by Mr. Harting with a glowing discripton and somewhat shoddy photography on the website that was uncovered in a google search for a particular type of hotrod.   

The first indicaiton that this was going to go badly was the mileage on the car.    On the website the car was represented as having 2202 miles on the odometer.   When it arrived it had 5503.

In that I have been buying, selling and trading cars with other collectors over the years I thought Mr. Harting was a "car guy" and one who could be trusted.    On numberous occasions I asked him the following questions:

  1. How current are the photographs?
  2. Are their any scratches, swirl marks or paint chips
  3. How is the undercarriage
  4. What does the car need
  5. How does it run out
  6. Are their any known issues
  7. How are the tires?
  8. Does anything leak
  9. Have you personally inspected the car and will you do so before an agreement is reached?

So my findings:

  1. Not possible to tell how old the photo shoot was but it was 3,000 miles ago and in hot rodding that is years
  2. Not only are their scratches but their are cracks in the fiberglass body gel coat
  3. The under carriage is an oil slick requiring two full days of tedious detailing
  4. The car needs:
    1. Three Stromberg Carburators rebuilt
    2. Was told it was low on brake fluid; it would not stop and the Master was defective and needing replacement.
    3. The progressive shift linkage replaced - the only operational carb is the center carb
    4. Their is no way to apply necessary pressure to the transmission TV Cable
    5. Oil is leaking from both the front and rear main seals
    6. Oil is leaking from the Oil Filter Fittings
    7. The engine compartment was an oil slick
    8. There is no VIN number anywhere on the vehicle
  5. It does not run out.    The car does not shift from third into overdrive, the front and rear carbs are dumping gas and cannot be controled and the steering box is loose.
  6. Obviously these issues were known
  7. And the tires:  Date code on the rear tires is 2002 and on the front tires 2003.   The tires have tread but are hard as rocks.    (Would you let your wife ride in a car with 11 and 12 year old tires?
  8. If it has bodily fluid it leaks
  9. I was told he went out to the owners home and check the car out completely...is that possible

I traded a pristine 1940 Ford that was totally perfect and professionally inspected and documented.    I gave the owner CASH on delivery for delivery fees, mileage, the broker fee to Powerhouse cars and for the cash difference.

So there you have it and with the power of social media I will do everything in my Power to insure none of my brothers and sisters in the car hobby are riped off.   Maybe he needs to change the name to PowerHOSING Cars?

Again, beware.   This guy is a sham.


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#1 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Clients remarks about Power House cars

AUTHOR: Tom Harting /Power house cars - ()

Tom Harting is one of the best in the business. I bought a 37 Ford Steet from him and Power House Cars. The car was great, every thing that Tom had promised and told was nothing but the truth. He exclianed the entire process to us and deal was flawless. I would highly recomend Tom and his company Power House Cars to any one that is consideration buying or selling the car of their dreams. we trusted him and couldn't be happier!

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#2 Author of original report

Please Tom, admit you are not honest

AUTHOR: Howard Tarnoff - ()

I will upload all receipts for the work that had to be done.

I will upload the photo Tom posted of the odometer with 2200 miles and the picture of the odometer that read 5600 miles on arrival.

I will upload photos of the engine tear down and rebuild.

I could not test drive the car as it had no breaks...told by delivery guy low on fluid and had to replace master.

Tom, go away before I get nasty and you hear from a Lawyer.

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#3 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Power House cars / Tom Harting

AUTHOR: Tom Harting /Power house cars - ()

Please log onto my web site at www.powerhousecarsint.com and hit the testomonial tab for the Happy and satisfied clients of Power House Cars.

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#4 REBUTTAL Owner of company

THIS IS THE CAR THAT HOWARD WAS IN QUESTION ABOUT

AUTHOR: Tom Harting /Power house cars - ()

This is the beautiful car that Howard is trying to mock. The car took 4 years to build and cost over $90,000 to build. Howard I think you need need new glasses!!! Invite you people to look the car over, I have more pictures if you care to see them.

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#5 REBUTTAL Owner of company

OWNER OF POWER HOUSE CARS

AUTHOR: Tom Harting /Power house cars - ()

After reading your unture statements and any  thing else that you could make up to make About me any my company,  I think you are the person that is a SHAME, Howard if  what you say is the truth way did you accept the 33 vicky? You even test drove the car and was very happy with it !! Shame on you Howard for posting such unture statements !!!!

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#7 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Howard You made the trade,what you state is a pack of lies.

AUTHOR: Tom Harting /Power house cars - ()

Howard states that his car was a pristine car, no way the paint was bad and it has runs in it. His car was not what he stated to the buyer Howard is a prime example of some that does not belong in the classic car business. Howard I will stand for the lies you have posted on this site. I feel that the only person you got ripped off was my company!! Shame on you Howard!!!

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#8 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Power House Cars

AUTHOR: Tom Harting /Power house cars - ()

I find it amazing that this rip off  site is allowed to post all  these lies. Power House cars is a very sucessful classic consignmet businees. We have a long list of very happy clients. This site should contact the company to see if any of these comments  are true.  I should be able to post bad things about this rip off site looks I am the only one getting ripped off!!!

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#9 Author of original report

I stand by the facts I submitted

AUTHOR: Howard Tarnoff - ()

Tom is not credible.    He talks in terms of his "business".  He has no business banking accounts, the OH department of revenue has no records of Powerhouse Cars International, and he has no dealer license.

 

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#10 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Power House Cars

AUTHOR: Tom Harting /Power house cars - ()

I will not stand idle and let this pack of lies posted here try to discredit my compnay. Tm Harting and or Power House Cars is not guilty of any of the lies from Howard. I should file a rip off report aabout Howard because he tried to discredit  my compnies identity. Please like this just can't go !!!!!! Howard knows my information is nothing but the turth!!!

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#11 REBUTTAL Owner of company

howard

AUTHOR: Tom Harting /Power house cars - ()

Howard has a case of buyers remorse. He should of never with through with the trade if what he says is ture. I will not allow him to discredit my Company with such lies. He needs to be corrected now.Call me any time for would like to hear the exact story that happened.

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#12 REBUTTAL Individual responds

1933 Vicky trade

AUTHOR: Tom Harting /Power house cars - ()

This will set the records straight on this transaction. Howard called my business and wanted to trade his car for a car that my client had for sale. He and the owner of the car here in Dayton ,Ohio made all the arrangements to make this transaction happen. My company and or me had nothing to do with this trade. The owner of the car in Dayton,drove to Howard's home in Florida to deliver his car and pick up the car that he traded for. Howard looked the car over and took it on I test drive. After a lenghtly inspection Howard made the trade and was very happy.  I did not reprsrent any information on the condition of either car. I operate a car consignment business in Kettering,Ohio. I have a proven track record with many happy clients. Please do not let this person try to malign my businees. If Howard did't like the car when it was delivered to him,he should NOT of made the transaction. Power House cars is a very sucessful and respected  business .Pease do not take the comments to be the true. I am availbe to answer any questions concerning this transaction. I was told that Howard did inspect the car and was happy with the trade, if he was unhappy why did he complete the transaction??? I exicute world wide transactions and have very happy  clients. I also had to listen to all the problems that Howard's car had such as , leaking engine, bad paint  and body work and the list goes on. To my knowledge the car was in very good condition. This is a true case of buyers remorse and he is trying to ruin Power House cars. Once again please call me or e mail me If you would like to discuss this matter in debt. Once again if Howard was that unhappy with the car why did he follow through with the tranaction and paid cash to complete !!! Like I said before the car was inspected and driven by Howard. If he didn't like it why didn't he REFUSE IT !!!!

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