• Report: #266476

Complaint Review: Priority Toyota Scion - Automax

  • Submitted: Thu, August 09, 2007
  • Updated: Tue, August 09, 2011

  • Reported By:petersburg Virginia
Priority Toyota Scion - Automax
2000 Wathal Center Drive Chester, Virginia U.S.A.

Priority Toyota Scion - Automax Sales Training Scam. Public Beware Unehtical Sales Tactics Used company wants you to pay them for a job opportunity Richmond Virginia

*Consumer Comment: Steve,

*Consumer Comment: RIOTS IN LONDON POEM...

*Consumer Comment: DEBT MAN WALKING POEM...

*Consumer Comment: *****GLOBAL ALERT: THE STOCK MARKET CRASH AND THE COLLAPSE OF THE U.S. ECONOMY WAS ACCURATELY PREDICTED IN 'CONSUMER COMMENT #6' ON AUGUST 26, 2007......

*Consumer Comment: *****GLOBAL ALERT: THE STOCK MARKET CRASH AND THE COLLAPSE OF THE ECONOMY WAS ACCURATELY PREDICTED IN 'CONSUMER COMMENT #6' AT THIS REPORT ON AUGUST 26, 2007.....

*Consumer Comment: ONE BIG LIE POEM 2

*Consumer Comment: matter of interpretation

*Consumer Comment: ***GLOBAL ALERT: Just type in 563072 at this site to sing- "LADY GAGA SONG 2"........

*Consumer Comment: "LADY GAGA SONG 2"...

*Consumer Comment: "ICKYFREAKS POEM"....

*Consumer Comment: 2ND GLOBAL ALERT: THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS A COUNTRY WHOSE FOUNDATION IS SOLIDLY BUILT ON LIES.....

*Consumer Comment: GLOBAL ALERT: Make sure to....

*Consumer Comment: STEVE, TOYOTA'S SALES PLUNGED 34% IN AUGUST....

*Consumer Comment: *SINCE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS A COUNTRY WHOSE FOUNDATION IS SOLIDLY BUILT ON LIES, THE CHANCES FOR A "DOUBLE-DIP" RECESSION ARE 100%.....

*Consumer Comment: *WORLDWIDE ALERT!!! I CAN PROVE THAT THE UNITED STATES of AMERICA IS A COUNTRY WHOSE FOUNDATION IS SOLIDLY BUILT ON LIES. Simply read "CONSUMER COMMENT #6' which is posted at this Ripoff Report....

*Consumer Comment: URGENT Worldwide ALERT: Prediction of the COLLAPSE of the U.S. economy comes TRUE!!!!

*Consumer Comment: STEVE, YOU ARE CORRECT!! IT IS A SCAM!!! THE TRUTH HURTS THESE SCAMMERS!!!

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Ignorance is bliss

*Consumer Comment: Great Job Steve!!

*Author of original report: response to comments

*Author of original report: response to comments

*Author of original report: response to comments

*Author of original report: response to comments

*Consumer Comment: Similar Post On The DODGE Page On This Site

*Consumer Comment: So Automax wants to charge you $300 to teach you how to sell cars?

*Consumer Comment: Suggestion

*Author of original report: Priority Toyota Richmond breaks employment laws and runs same SCAM monthly channel 12 does not think it is news

*Author of original report: toyota dealers doing bad business nationwide

*Consumer Comment: GOOD JOB STEVE

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Automax sales training is a scam and the dealers are in on it especially Priority Toyota at 2000 Walthal Center Drive Chester Va. 23834 phone 804-796-1800. Owner Dave Perno and General Manager Steve Cochrane is letting them use there conference room for the classes and knows Automax is charging MONEY to the students. They also have another another location at 910 Colonial Heights Boulavard and several in Cheasapeake and Virginia Beach. They recently ran this ad in the Richmond paper and on Monster. This is a cookie cutter ad. You can find this ad in papers all over the country and all over Monster.com . Check it out for yourself just go to Monster and search Automax Sales Training. Priority Toyota Scion of Richmond ran this same SCAM back in December of 2006 as well so this is not their first time at it. The ads run in the paper and on Monster and are quickly removed after the dates have passed to cover there tracks. The ad below was cut and pasted directly from Monster. Read my entire update and see how the SCAM just goes on and on and on. I have the proof in the pudding and on paper so NO REBUTTALS CAN OVERCOME ACTUAL PROOF THAT YOU CAN RESEARCH FOR YOURSELF.

A guy named Bob Stevens(Robert F Stevens) was the Automax rep at this one. His Direct cell number is 609-377-1788. He wanted me to pay him directly for this training. Right to his Paypal account which is autovisionsalestraining@comcast.net. I caught a glimpse of his Paypal debit card in his wallet when he gave me change for a five. He's slick be carefull. All 20 plus students graduated well the ones that paid did. See ad below cut and pasted from Monster.com

Priority Toyota Scion of Richmond NO EXP REQUIRED Auto Sales Interviews July 24th and 25th
Auto Sales

NO experience? No problem!
we will train you the right way

What kind of life do you DREAM about? What kind of SUCCESS do you see? Make your DREAM a reality and find your SUCCESS at Priority Toyota Scion of Richmond Recent growth has opened up several ground-level sales opportunities. No Experience Needed! We have hired the nations #1 automotive sales training company to transform you into a SUCCESSFUL automotive sales consultant! The more $$$ you make the more JOB SECURITY you have because the more $$$ you make the more $$$ we make!


Interviews are 2 days only!
Monday July 24th & Tuesday July 25th from 9:30am 6:00pm
Please dress professionally for your interview.


Priority Toyota Scion of Richmond:
Excellent pay plan with big bonuses & great incentives!
Paid starts as soon as you are hired!
Up to $123,000 annual earning potential!
Benefits include medical, dental, 401k plan & paid vacations!
5-day workweeks!
Ongoing training and development!


Don't get trapped in a dead-end job! The definition of a job = Just Over Broke! It's TIME to start your new career! Make a DECISION now! Don't waste any more TIME! You don't NEED experience, you don't NEED a college education, you don't even NEED to know anything about cars! What you do NEED is good relationship skills, an open mind and a willingness to reinvent yourself! Start getting paid what you are worth. Get down here NOW!


Still not convinced that this is for you?
Call (800) 859-5695 ext. 314 for more information.

This phone number is the same in all the ads across the country. The only thing that changes is the ext#. This number is not to the dealer in the ad but to Automax and is just another ad but call it and listen for a good laugh at how generic and none specific it is.

See more ads below

Albuquerque Lincoln Mercury Volvo Auto Sales FREE TRAINING Interviews July 30 and 31 and Aug 1
Auto Sales


What kind of life do you DREAM about? What kind of SUCCESS do you see? Make your DREAM a reality and find your SUCCESS at Albuquerque Lincoln Mercury Volvo! Recent growth has opened up several ground-level sales opportunities. No Experience Needed! We have hired the nation's #1 automotive sales training company to transform you into a SUCCESSFUL automotive sales consultant! We will pay for the training! We want to invest in your future!


Interviews are 3 days only!
Monday July 30th, Tuesday July 31st and Wednesday August 1st from 9:30am 6:00pm
Please dress professionally for your interview.


Albuquerque Lincoln Mercury Volvo Offers:
FREE TRAINING!
Excellent pay plan with big bonuses & great incentives!
$5,000 training salary that starts as soon as you are hired!
Up to $100,000 annual earning potential!
Benefits include medical, dental, vision, 401k plan & paid vacations!
Special employee pricing on vehicles!
Flexible schedules!
Established in the community!
Ongoing training and development!
Family owned & operated!
Room for advancement!

Albuquerque Lincoln Mercury Volvo
7300 Lomas Blvd, Albuquerque, NM

Don't get trapped in a dead-end job! The definition of a job = Just Over Broke! It's TIME to start your new career! Make the DECISION right now that YOU are going to do this! Don't waste any more TIME! You don't NEED experience, you don't NEED a college education, you don't even NEED to know anything about cars! What you do NEED is good relationship skills, an open mind and a willingness to reinvent yourself! Start getting paid what you are worth. Get down here NOW!


Still not convinced that this is for you?
Call (800) 859-5695 ext. 318 for more information.



Reads the same doesn't it????? The worst part is they scam their trainers too check out this ad

Automotive Sales Trainer

What kind of life do you DREAM aboutWhat kind of SUCCESS do you want to achieve? Make your DREAM a reality and find your SUCCESS as a Sales Trainer for AutoMax Sales Training. AutoMax is the #1 automotive salesperson recruiting & training company in North America! Recent growth has opened several Sales Trainer opportunities in Richmond and the surrounding markets. Minimal overnight travel required.

If you are a STRONG SALES CLOSER we will turn you into a SUCCESSFUL Automotive Sales Trainer! No Formal Training Experience Needed! You will experience significant earning potential using our industry-leading recruiting & sales training programs. We are looking for Closers, Desk Managers, Sales Managers or All-Star Salespeople!

An increasing number of dealerships realize their need to outsource the recruiting and training of sales personnel. It is vital they maintain a relationship with a trusted partner. For over 10 years, AutoMax has been a NATIONALLY-RECOGNIZED BRAND, providing trainers and clients with predictable and SUCCESSFUL RESULTS. AutoMax Sales Trainers are among the TOP PROFESSIONALS in the training industry with the potential for a SIX-FIGURE INCOME. Enjoy a career unlike any other while experiencing the quality of life you have always dreamed about!


Don't miss this rare opportunity!
Make a positive change in your life and in the life of others!
Apply now! Immediate Positions Available!


Qualified candidates will need:
Must be a strong closer!
A proven track record with 3 - 5 years sales/management experience in the automotive industry.
The highest level of integrity, accountability and sales excellence!
A desire to take the next step in an already successful career!
Self-motivation and perseverance!
Good relationship skills, an open mind and a willingness to reinvent yourself!
To be able to lead by example!
An entrepreneurial spirit!

Tired of making money while feeling trapped in a dead-end job with no real sense of satisfaction? It's TIME to start your new career in training! Make a DECISION now to hear what this is all about! Don't waste any more TIME! Start getting paid what you are worth and more importantly the FREEDOM you deserve. Apply NOW!


Bi-lingual a plus! All applications will be accepted, however we encourage candidates from the Automotive and RV industries with experience in any of the following positions to apply: closer, sales manager, new car manager, general sales manager, used car manager, general manager, F&I manager & sales trainer.

Apply now to schedule your interview. Please dress professionally. Applicants must have a valid driver's license and a clean driving record.
AutoMax 2007

Sounds just like the car salesmen ad oh the irony and no experience needed here either hahahaha!!!!! But not according to Automax website their trainers go through an extensive and rigorous training and have immpeccable experience(not what the ad in the paper says)

http://www.automaxtraining.com/

See below cut and pasted from Automax's website

AutoMax Sales Trainers are regarded as among the top professionals in the training industry. They enjoy a career unlike any other, experience the quality of life they have always dreamed of, as well as a six-figure income potential. AutoMax's successful business model of over 10 years provides the basis for success.

In today's competitive business environment increasing numbers of dealerships realize the need to outsource their recruiting and training of sales personnel. It is vital they have a trusted partner. We offer a nationally recognized brand to our clients and the trainers who represent us. Our salesperson recruiting and training programs have withstood the test of time. We have a proven business model that provides both new and established trainers and the clients they serve with predictable and successful results.

Qualified candidates will need:

A proven track record of 5 to 7 years experience in the automotive industry
The highest level of integrity, accountability and sales excellence
A desire to take the next step in an already successful career
Self-motivation and perseverance
To be able to lead by example
An entrepreneurial spirit

Each candidate must complete a demanding selection process that includes:

Review of work history and qualifications
Wonderlic Assessment
Microsoft Office Live Meeting Power Point Presentation
One-on-one phone conversation with General Manager to determine compatibility (Q & A)
Criminal background check, DMV abstract, Social Security number verification and full reference check
Follow up conversation with General Manager
Final interview with the President & Founder

You can expect to receive unparalleled support from the home office as soon as your career begins. From initial training and business set up, this support will continue with ongoing training provided by senior level trainers and home office leadership to assist you in managing any challenge that may arise.

Once selected, you will receive comprehensive training in our sales recruiting and training process. In addition to the client opportunities provided to you by AutoMax, our senior management and corporate office will assist you in identifying and developing additional clients of your own. Our mutual goal is for you to develop 10-15 clients in addition to those that are provided to you by AutoMax. As you develop these clients, you should expect first year earnings to be approximately $70,000 - $90,000 . Typical second year earnings should be approximately $90,000 - $125,000 , followed by third year earnings of $125,000 - $175,000 . There is a very broad earnings range; because the trainers are Independent Contractors, they have control over which weeks they work, how often they work and ultimately what they earn through their individual efforts, talents and abilities. Our top income earning trainers have between 10-15 repeat clients and earn approximately $125,000 - $250,000 annually.

So which is it what the ad they placed says or what their website says. You must wonder about a company that contradicts itself!!!!!! You can talk to the owner via a conference call if you like. Craig Lockerd has a call in every friday at 1pm eastern time the # 712-338-8900 then enter pin # 7741 and let him know how you really feel. You will not find this # anywhere on the site unless you have insider info like me or go to one of the training classes yourself they don't ask for the money till the end and don't give it up.

MY ADVICE STAY AWAY FROM AUTOMAX SALES TRAINING AND ANY CAR DEALER THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEM. DON'T WORK FOR THEM OR BUY A CAR FROM THEM AND TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW. WORD OF MOUTH IS THE BEST ADVERTISMENT AND THE MEDIA WON'T HELP BECAUSE THEY MAKE TO MUCH MONEY IN ADS FROM BOTH DEALERS AND AUTOMAX. THE ONLY WAY TO STOP THEM IS HIT THEM WHERE IT COUNTS RIGHT IN THE PURSE BECAUSE ALL THEY WANT IS YOUR MONEY HOWEVER THEY CAN GET IT!!!!!

Priority Toyota Scion of Richmond uses automax to train their sales people unehtical sales tactics in the name of profit. They have an incredibly high turnover rate for their sales staff. Both the owner Dave Perno and general sales manager Steve Cochrane are aware and promote the use of Bait and Switch as well as the Monty split and several other questionable sales tricks to sell cars and increase their profit margins. They even go as far as moving the profit from the front end of the sale to the back end to lower the commisions paid to their sales people. They expect new salesmen to work there first 30 days for free and sell a minimum of 6 new cars at an average profit of $2000 per car in their first 15 days on the sales floor. Then at the end of 4 weeks of 12 hour days they will only pay you $1320 before taxes and ZERO comission on the cars you sold. This is not even minimum wage it should be illegal. No wonder they have such a high turnover rate! They do not care because they make more profit off new sales people who quit after a short time. They just train some more and keep going. They prey on the uneducated and unemployed to do their dirty work. If this is how they treat their employees imagine how they treat their customers. In my brief time there I saw numerous irritated customers some screaming and yelling at Steve Cochran personally. This is a bad place to work and an even worse place to buy a car. Pass this story on word of mouth counts and please do not buy a car here. The only way to let them know the public won't stand for this mistreatment is to hit them in their wallet.........

Steve
petersburg, Virginia
U.S.A.

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Steve,

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Have a great summer!

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RIOTS IN LONDON POEM...

AUTHOR: Karl - (USA)

is available at this website!

Just stay at this site and type in- BANK OF AMERICA, and it appears in the consumer comments section at Ripoff Report #449481.
(You can also type in 449481 and that will take you there.)

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WELCOME TO TOYOTA- WE'RE MOVING BACKWARDS 
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DEBT MAN WALKING POEM...

AUTHOR: Karl - (USA)

is available at this website!

Just type in 472051 at this site and it appears in the consumer comments section at Ripoff Report #472051.

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*****GLOBAL ALERT: THE STOCK MARKET CRASH AND THE COLLAPSE OF THE U.S. ECONOMY WAS ACCURATELY PREDICTED IN 'CONSUMER COMMENT #6' ON AUGUST 26, 2007......

AUTHOR: Karl - (USA)

which was thirteen months BEFORE it happened, right?

Just read paragraph #4 at 'Consumer Comment #6', then 'Google' this- FRONTLINE: INSIDE THE MELTDOWN, and watch it on the web for proof.

On September 29, 2008, the stock market crashed and the Dow Jones lost a record 777 points in one full day of trading. The banking system collapsed, and needed hundreds of billions of dollars in TAXPAYER'S money in order to prevent another Depression in the USA.

Guess what?

Not much has changed in this country.

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Have a safe Memorial Day.

WELCOME TO AMERICA- IN FRAUD WE TRUST
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*****GLOBAL ALERT: THE STOCK MARKET CRASH AND THE COLLAPSE OF THE ECONOMY WAS ACCURATELY PREDICTED IN 'CONSUMER COMMENT #6' AT THIS REPORT ON AUGUST 26, 2007.....

AUTHOR: Karl - (USA)

which was over a year BEFORE it happened.

Just go to 'Consumer Comment #6' at this Ripoff Report and read what was stated in paragraph #4 for proof. That consumer comment was posted on August 26th, 2007. A little over a year later, in September of 2008, the U.S. economy collapsed and the stock market crashed. On September 29th, 2008, the Dow Jones lost a record 777 points in one full day of trading. 

Hundreds of Billions of dollars in TAXPAYER'S money (TARP) was needed to prevent another Depression in the USA. Most of that money was injected into Wall Street banks and other failing companies, like General Motors, Chrysler, AIG, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, General Electric, and a host of others.

Simply 'Google' this- FRONTLINE: INSIDE THE MELTDOWN, and watch it on the web for proof.

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"Knowledge is power."

POWER TO THE PEOPLE
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ONE BIG LIE POEM 2

AUTHOR: Karl - (USA)

ONE BIG LIE POEM 2

Oil prices way too high
USA is one big lie
People sad so many cry
USA is one big lie
Bread's expensive so is rye
USA is one big lie
Airline tickets much too high
USA is one big lie
Millions mad no longer shy
USA is one big lie!

End.

Anyone can go to 'Consumer Comment #6' at this Ripoff Report read paragraph #4, which was posted on August 26, 2007. That consumer comment was posted thirteen months BEFORE the collapse of the banking system and the stock market crash in the USA.
(The Dow Jones lost a record 777 points in one full day of trading on September 29, 2008.)

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P.S. Just type in 608350 at this site and go to 'Consumer Comment #21' to read- "ONE BIG LIE POEM". 
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matter of interpretation

AUTHOR: FD - (USA)

The dealer(s) are actually the ones paying the recruiting company "AutoMax".  How they do this is they have the employee front the money and then give it back to them in 90 days.  See, if the dealer paid the recruiter upfront then there would be no reason for the employee to "stick it out" through the first couple of weeks when it is the toughest.  I was hired this way with having a monetary investment in my future success.  I called it "tough love".  Dangling that $500 dollar carrot in front of my nose for the first couple of months to keep me from wanting to quit.  This is not a get rich quick job and my first
3 weeks in the biz I hadn't sold a car and wanted to quit but stuck it out to get my $500 back and the rest was history.  I've made over a million dollars selling cars and I never would have of if it wasn't done this way (which has been going on in the car biz for over 40 years).  If the dealer pays upfront and someone quits in the first week or two, then what did the dealer get out of it? 
If someone pays the $500, stays 90 days and then gets it back, then what are they out?  Nothing!  You are not paying to get a job and you are not paying for training.  The dealer is, just 90 days later back to you.  What you are doing is showing your loyalty to the business that you are fronting the dealers money for the recruiting, advertising, interviewing, training, and placement.  If you would of paid your $500 and stuck it out you would have found out that even if the "host" dealer
didn't hire you that the recruiter/trainer would have gotten you a job at a different dealer with all of the same stipulations.  Why should a dealer take the risk that you might "flake out" on them after they paid thousands of dollars for the newspaper ads, online ads, recruiters expenses, etc. to have you quit on them because you aren't selling 10 cars your first week in the biz and then they have to rerun all of the ads all over again to do it again?!  They would rather have these job
fairs once a year instead of every couple of weeks because they are very expensive and they want the "committed" person working for them.  If they are going to pay for your drivers license test, drug test, background check, sales license, uniforms, etc. then  they want you to stay because it really isn't fair for them to give you a chance when you have no experience.  So many people say that they are a "man of their word" only to quit, the way to prove it is that money
talks.  Put yourself in the dealers shoes and realize why this is the  only effective way to insure that they retain their employees, basically an "insurance retainer" that you will still be working there, plus what if another dealer see's the ad and sends their sales staff there for free training?  Since the bottom line is that you get all of your money back as long as you don't "flake out" on them, then essentially it is COSTING YOU NOTHING!!  NOT A CENT!!  Shame on you that you didn't see it through to the end and got a job at one of the dealerships and made the money that I and my co-workers have made in a great industry and easy job.  FD
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***GLOBAL ALERT: Just type in 563072 at this site to sing- "LADY GAGA SONG 2"........

AUTHOR: Karl - (USA)

which appears as 'Consumer Comment #12' at Ripoff Report #563072.

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"LADY GAGA SONG 2"...

AUTHOR: Karl - (USA)

was submitted at this site in the consumer comments section at Ripoff Report #411913 on February 20, 2011.

*Just stay at this site and type in 411913 to see if it is posted later today or tomorrow.

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*Make sure to 'Google' this- TOYOTA TWITTER SLUDGE, and go to that site each day to stay updated about Toyota.
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"ICKYFREAKS POEM"....

AUTHOR: Karl - (USA)

was submitted earlier today at Ripoff Report. It's the first of many poems for 2011.

*Just type in 411913 to see if it will be posted at Ripoff Report #411913 in the consumer comments section later today, okay?

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HAPPY NEW YEAR

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2ND GLOBAL ALERT: THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS A COUNTRY WHOSE FOUNDATION IS SOLIDLY BUILT ON LIES.....

AUTHOR: Karl - (USA)

deception, fraud, manipulation, greed, trickery, deep corruption, and the constant pursuit to financially injure the innocent people living here and all over the world, in my opinion.

*Make sure to read the prediction in 'Consumer Comment #6' at this Ripoff Report. The prediction starts paragraph #4. That comment was posted on August 26th, 2007, over a year BEFORE the stock market crash and the collapse of the banking system in the USA, which occurred in September of 2008.

Anyone can 'Google' this- FRONTLINE: INSIDE THE MELTDOWN, and watch that documentary on the web to see the progression of how the banking system and much of the U.S. economy collapsed throughout 2008.

WELCOME TO AMERICA- IN FRAUD WE TRUST

************************** ONE BIG LIE ALERT **************************

*Make sure to type in 608350 and go to 'Consumer Comment #21' and read "ONE BIG LIE POEM".

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Happy New Year!

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GLOBAL ALERT: Make sure to....

AUTHOR: Karl - (USA)

type in the following numbers here at Ripoff Report to read the poems and sing the songs that are available in the consumer comments section at those Ripoff Reports-

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#13 Consumer Comment

STEVE, TOYOTA'S SALES PLUNGED 34% IN AUGUST....

AUTHOR: Karl - (USA)

compared to last year, according to an article on the web.

*Anyone can 'Google' this- AUTO SALES: WORST AUGUST SINCE 1983, and read the cnnmoney.com article on the web, right?


TOYOTA- MOVING BACKWARDS
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*SINCE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS A COUNTRY WHOSE FOUNDATION IS SOLIDLY BUILT ON LIES, THE CHANCES FOR A "DOUBLE-DIP" RECESSION ARE 100%.....

AUTHOR: Karl - (USA)

in my opinion.

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WELCOME TO AMERICA- IN FRAUD WE TRUST
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and then 'Google' this- THERE IS NO GAS SHORTAGE, and go to the BusinessWeek article and read the comment which was posted on May 31st 2008 at 9:13 PM. (I believe that comment can be found on, or near 'Page 10' in the comments section.


WELCOME TO THE USA- ONE BIG LIE


******************************   SONG ALERT   ******************************

*There are songs available at the BANK OF AMERICA page of this site. They appear in the Updates section along with many poems that also prove that the USA is a country whose foundation is built on lies.

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#16 Consumer Comment

URGENT Worldwide ALERT: Prediction of the COLLAPSE of the U.S. economy comes TRUE!!!!

AUTHOR: Karl - (U.S.A.)

Please read the 'Update' to THIS Ripoff Report above entitled- 'Similar Post On The DODGE Page On This Site', and read the '4th paragraph'.

QUOTE: 'I predict that by sometime early in 2009 that the stock market takes that huge hit! After a full year of reality in 2008, the big collapse happens.' - 8/26/2007

More proof- 'Google' this- RIP OFF REPORT GM CREDIT CARD SERVICES, and go to Betty's Ripoff Report, and then to the '1st Update' which was posted on 9-3-2007.

QUOTE: 'The Collapse of the U.S. economy is in its infancy. Get all of your money out of the stock market and cash in your retirement NOW! Most people cannot see what is coming. I do! Americans have $4 Trillion in their retirements. 90% of that money is invested in the stock market. All of the clues & indicators are pointing to another COLLAPSE of the stock market. When the stock market goes, so goes Americans RETIREMENTS!!' - 9/3/2007

QUOTE: 'The TRUTH was obscure, too profound and too pure; to live it you have to EXPLODE!' - Dylan

P.S.

Don't forget to 'Google' this- RIP OFF REPORT FUEL FREEDOM INTERNATIONAL MPG CAPS, and go to the 2001 Toyota Tacoma Report, and then to the 'Update' on 8-21-2007 entitled- 'Blame it on a Lawyer', and read what a Harvard Business Professor said to his class in late 2004.

IT ALL CAME TRUE, DIDN'T IT?

WELCOME TO AMERICA- IN FRAUD WE TRUST!

Make sure to read- 'HARVARD PROFESSOR POEM', which is an 'Update' to Susan's Ripoff Report over at the BANK OF AMERICA page of this site. I believe it was origanally posted on March 9th, & modified around March 17th, or thereabouts!

Go Harvard!
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#17 Consumer Comment

STEVE, YOU ARE CORRECT!! IT IS A SCAM!!! THE TRUTH HURTS THESE SCAMMERS!!!

AUTHOR: Karl - (U.S.A.)

Toyota Dealers use these SCAMMERS!!

Go to www.9news.com and type in ORNELAS and watch the UNDERCOVER VIDEO!!

WE REST OUR CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#18 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Ignorance is bliss

AUTHOR: Ryan - (U.S.A.)

Steve,

Your "report" to me just seems like a load of whiney crap. I don't cant understand how you can get off complaining of a "scam" when you paid for training. The car business is hard work. Obviously you didn't have the determination to sell the standards that Dave and Steve set out for you on the floor. Try having the "8 or the gate speech" every week. Now, you paid for training.... i don't understand how you can complain about something that is proven to earn you more money.

As for your shot at my former employer, stating Priority Toyota/Scion uses "unethical sales tactics in the name of profit" is just total crap. The motto of the priority autogroup is to sell cars morally and ethically. The fact that Dave left nothern virginia because of the unethical treatment of workers as well as customers shows that he would only do business morally. You signed a contract for the "zero" profit, which isn't zero. YOU HAVE A MINIMUM COMMISSION OF atleast $100 a car. As for the yelling and screaming you mention, you have no earthly idea what they were talking about in steve's office. You cannot please 100% of customers, but steve would make whatever situation right. Your ignorance to this situation is hillarious to me, I couldn't help but chuckle at the fact that you went public with something that you hadn't completed research on. Please do more research about someone before trying to rag on the company and it's employees. Go apply for another dealership, you wont make nearly the money, nor will you have such a positive learning experience, or the great treatment by managers. I'm sorry you had a bad experience with Priority, but you really should look up info on Alex Hafer, now THAT GUY is a terrible person to work for.
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#19 Consumer Comment

Great Job Steve!!

AUTHOR: Karl - (U.S.A.)

You see, all it takes is a little effort and you can do it! Here is a great idea. You and I know that there is a problem with illegal drugs at many car dealerships. If the person who goes undercover were able to purchase drugs from an employee at the dealership and it were captured on video, you'd have a story fit for National T.V.!

Also, if the person that went undercover were a female, we KNOW that the undercover video would capture some type of sexual harassment by a Manager at the Dealership! Just think, drugs & sexual harassment caught on video at a Car Dealership! Now we have a story fit for T.V.!!!

Did you read on the internet last year about the $190 MILLION Sexual Harassment Suit filed by an Executive Assistant at Toyota's New York Corporate offices? I made a copy of it off of the internet and will look through my files I have against Toyota this weekend. I think you can still 'Google' the story and get it! The man second in charge of Toyota in the USA had other things in mind when he went on walks in Central Park with his much younger assistant who was also Japanese. The whole world is becoming 'Americanized'! No wonder all the children are LOST!

But like I said, there is something called KARMA. Keep me updated. Also, you can rent undercover equipment and do your own Undercover Sting if you want. Once you have HARD EVIDENCE there is nothing that they can say!

Good Luck!

PS Remember, 'Events do not cause corporations to collapse. It's the OPINIONS of the events that trigger the collapse.' (Harvard Business Professor) The events are taking place EVERY DAY. All we need to do is EXPOSE them. The Media is fueled by advertising dollars, so they will be careful as to who they expose. I don't need any money! I'm going to help the innocent people who no one seems to care about! It's my destiny.

A quote: 'You are what your deep driving desire is. As your desire is, so is your will. As your will is, so is your deed. As your deed is, so is your destiny.'
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AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

Karl thank you for all your input and just to let you know I have gotten a local news station involved. They are interested in the story and are considering sending an undercover reporter through the training scam to expose it. I emailed every news station in town and only one responded with interest and after several emails and a meeting we have a plan. I will not reveal which station for fear Toyotas greatest spy (Thomas) will tip them off....

To further comment or your post I like you Karl and it seems we have both read a lot of the same material. If you poison your body it will fail you. if you poison your soul it will fail you. If you think the pursuit of happiness is money you are a lost sheep. Money is the root of all evil and todays corporations are in pursuit of your money at all cost. Publicly traded corps have only one legal obligation to produce a profit for their shareholders at any cost to the consumer. Your safety is not there concern only your wallet....The irony is the shareholders are also the very consumers that buy their products. We are killing ourselves in the name of the almighty dollar. Maybe we should reconsider what is almighty about the dollar and what is that pyramid with the eye on top of the back of the dollar bill anyway. I know but do you???????


I wouldn't want to leave Thomas out of this post. He would be so upset if I had forgoten him. Well as usual Thomas has posted his pompous know it all advice a day late and $300 short. Although Thomas is a relativley smart guy and his advice is not all that bad I feel that he has lost his way and needs to find his sheppard. Oh and one more thing Thomas even though you like to show off how much smarter you are than everyone else you should also be smart enough to realize that NO ONE LIKES A POMPOUS KNOW IT All JACK LEG
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AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

Karl thank you for all your input and just to let you know I have gotten a local news station involved. They are interested in the story and are considering sending an undercover reporter through the training scam to expose it. I emailed every news station in town and only one responded with interest and after several emails and a meeting we have a plan. I will not reveal which station for fear Toyotas greatest spy (Thomas) will tip them off....

To further comment or your post I like you Karl and it seems we have both read a lot of the same material. If you poison your body it will fail you. if you poison your soul it will fail you. If you think the pursuit of happiness is money you are a lost sheep. Money is the root of all evil and todays corporations are in pursuit of your money at all cost. Publicly traded corps have only one legal obligation to produce a profit for their shareholders at any cost to the consumer. Your safety is not there concern only your wallet....The irony is the shareholders are also the very consumers that buy their products. We are killing ourselves in the name of the almighty dollar. Maybe we should reconsider what is almighty about the dollar and what is that pyramid with the eye on top of the back of the dollar bill anyway. I know but do you???????


I wouldn't want to leave Thomas out of this post. He would be so upset if I had forgoten him. Well as usual Thomas has posted his pompous know it all advice a day late and $300 short. Although Thomas is a relativley smart guy and his advice is not all that bad I feel that he has lost his way and needs to find his sheppard. Oh and one more thing Thomas even though you like to show off how much smarter you are than everyone else you should also be smart enough to realize that NO ONE LIKES A POMPOUS KNOW IT All JACK LEG
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AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

Karl thank you for all your input and just to let you know I have gotten a local news station involved. They are interested in the story and are considering sending an undercover reporter through the training scam to expose it. I emailed every news station in town and only one responded with interest and after several emails and a meeting we have a plan. I will not reveal which station for fear Toyotas greatest spy (Thomas) will tip them off....

To further comment or your post I like you Karl and it seems we have both read a lot of the same material. If you poison your body it will fail you. if you poison your soul it will fail you. If you think the pursuit of happiness is money you are a lost sheep. Money is the root of all evil and todays corporations are in pursuit of your money at all cost. Publicly traded corps have only one legal obligation to produce a profit for their shareholders at any cost to the consumer. Your safety is not there concern only your wallet....The irony is the shareholders are also the very consumers that buy their products. We are killing ourselves in the name of the almighty dollar. Maybe we should reconsider what is almighty about the dollar and what is that pyramid with the eye on top of the back of the dollar bill anyway. I know but do you???????


I wouldn't want to leave Thomas out of this post. He would be so upset if I had forgoten him. Well as usual Thomas has posted his pompous know it all advice a day late and $300 short. Although Thomas is a relativley smart guy and his advice is not all that bad I feel that he has lost his way and needs to find his sheppard. Oh and one more thing Thomas even though you like to show off how much smarter you are than everyone else you should also be smart enough to realize that NO ONE LIKES A POMPOUS KNOW IT All JACK LEG
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AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

Karl thank you for all your input and just to let you know I have gotten a local news station involved. They are interested in the story and are considering sending an undercover reporter through the training scam to expose it. I emailed every news station in town and only one responded with interest and after several emails and a meeting we have a plan. I will not reveal which station for fear Toyotas greatest spy (Thomas) will tip them off....

To further comment or your post I like you Karl and it seems we have both read a lot of the same material. If you poison your body it will fail you. if you poison your soul it will fail you. If you think the pursuit of happiness is money you are a lost sheep. Money is the root of all evil and todays corporations are in pursuit of your money at all cost. Publicly traded corps have only one legal obligation to produce a profit for their shareholders at any cost to the consumer. Your safety is not there concern only your wallet....The irony is the shareholders are also the very consumers that buy their products. We are killing ourselves in the name of the almighty dollar. Maybe we should reconsider what is almighty about the dollar and what is that pyramid with the eye on top of the back of the dollar bill anyway. I know but do you???????


I wouldn't want to leave Thomas out of this post. He would be so upset if I had forgoten him. Well as usual Thomas has posted his pompous know it all advice a day late and $300 short. Although Thomas is a relativley smart guy and his advice is not all that bad I feel that he has lost his way and needs to find his sheppard. Oh and one more thing Thomas even though you like to show off how much smarter you are than everyone else you should also be smart enough to realize that NO ONE LIKES A POMPOUS KNOW IT All JACK LEG
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#24 Consumer Comment

Similar Post On The DODGE Page On This Site

AUTHOR: Karl - (U.S.A.)

Steve, There is a similar Post to yours about the Training Company from a former sales rep on the DODGE page of this site. It is a National Epidemic! These same Training Companies were here in Denver too. They would collect money from the potential candidates after they built up their hopes of making big money as a salesperson.

Most of the candidates would put the $500 fee on their credit card. Like I said before, it's just a sign of the times. Scams are everywhere. Do not trust anyone when it comes to money!

I went to a cook-out last week and one of the people there told me about how her brother in Michigan is 'going under!' She told me that he has worked for years on the Ford Assembly Line where they make engines for their trucks. She said that they have been 'living off of his OVERTIME' . Guess what? NO MORE OVERTIME! This is one of the reasons that Michigan is in the top three states now for Foreclosures! It's just the tip of the iceberg! Nevada is also in the top three!

I predict that by sometime early in 2009 that the stock market takes that huge hit! After a full year of reality in 2008, the big collapse happens. There are homes all over Colorado with For Sale Signs that are not selling. A lot of them are the ones over $450,000. Divorce is out of control too! All of these people who thought that big homes and material things were the answer.

And something else that most did not think about, home prices are coming down and many people are now in the same situation that car buyers are in; NEGATIVE EQUITY situations, with their HOMES! People would rely on equity for College Money and other things, it's no longer there for many.

Also, Healthcare is a complete FRAUD. Prescription Drugs do not make people well. They never have and never will! They destroy people's lives but the Pharmaceutical Companies and their Advertising Agencies and the Doctors who prescribe them are all making a KILLING! It is all about the money! My girlfriend has been an ICU Nurse for 19 years. She knows what these prescription drugs are doing and so do the Doctors!

When we go to Holiday parties I ask these Doctors about Prescription Drugs and they agree that they do not make people well and none of these Doctors take Prescription Drugs! One of them said that if people would simply drink a half gallon of purified water every day it would eliminate 80% of all the problems that people have with their health issues. But guess what? People are addicted to Pepsi, Coke, Sprite, etc. Why? Advertising and Marketing!

If you don't do the things that make you sick in the first place, you won't get sick! It's that simple. Also, there is no such thing as a Hereditary Disease! The only thing that runs in families is STUPIDITY! If you smoke, prepare for cancer. If you drink too much, prepare for liver disease. If you sit around too much, prepare to be obese. Also, you can tell if someone is on Prescription Drugs; they are almost ALWAYS overweight and BLOATED. These drugs destroy the healthy environment in the digestive system and toxins start to back up and go in to the bloodstream. Also, these people do not ELIMINATE as they should. It is stuck inside them. You know what I'm referring to I hope? Remember that saying, ' you're full of ****'. Believe it or not, it's TRUE!

So, just do the right things and the right things will happen in your life. It's time for me to go for a nice drive in the mountains in a 911 Carrera Convertible. 'There is no substitute!' Good Luck to you Steve!!!

'Never ever, ever, ever, give up.'- Winston Churchill

'Those who are possessed by nothing possess everything.'-Morihei Ueshiba

'Everything in the universe is within you. Ask all from yourself.'- Rumi

'To be happy, the only goal that matters.' - Karl
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#25 Consumer Comment

So Automax wants to charge you $300 to teach you how to sell cars?

AUTHOR: Thomas - (U.S.A.)

So Automax wants to charge you $300 to teach you how to sell cars? If they ACTUALLY TEACH you to be competent at selling cars, as well as the truth about being a car salesman, then it is a good deal at thrice that price.

I figured out MANY years ago that I did NOT want to be a car salesman. But this took some research and effort, while today one can use the internet to learn why car sales is an undesireable occupation far more easily. Perhaps that $300 makes this task even faster and easier.

Usually you are "supposed to learn to sell cars" by watching other car salesmen and being "guided" by the sales manager. Of course, you won't spend $300 this way but you could also starve to death.

Car sales is a TERRIBLE way to earn a living: you face long hours in split shifts, you receive verbal abuse, and the house is always finding ways to structure the sale to minimize your comission. Your "free time" is so jumbled and chopped up that you can only socialize with other car salesmen.

You will be caught between the customer and the house, and the house never looses. This means only the customer and/or the salesman will loose. And often, BOTH the customer and the salesman will loose.

And believe it or not, a few customers are really, really tricky. But you won't see any complaints from tricky car buyers on ROR.

Good job raising the Toyota name again and again, Karl. You do pique people's interest in Toyota. enough interest that people will be curious and go have a look for themselves. Toyota 'lookers' become Toyota 'buyers'!

Soon Toyota will replace GM as number one. Of course this will be eased by the modest pay the honcho and his minions at Toyota are paid when compared to the many, many millions the CEO and his minions at GM collect. Every dollar the GM executives put in their pockets is one less dollar for hiring more engineers, designers, and mathematicians, or one less dollar for purchasing higher quality materials to build their cars. The car buying public has noticed the gaping difference in product quality and reliability between GM and Toyota.

You see, Karl, there IS a revolution, the revolution that companies run by modestly paid executives will replace companies run by extremely highly paid executives. THis is because each car a car manufacturer sells will bring in only so much money as gross profit. This contest will be won by the companies that apportion MORE of those gross profit proceeds to product development and improvement while putting less into their exectutives' pockets. Hang around and watch the show.
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#26 Consumer Comment

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AUTHOR: Karl - (U.S.A.)

Good job Steve! Do not give up. It just proves that Toyota Dealers are feeling the 'pinch' in this economy of ours that is based on LIES, DECEPTION, FRAUD, BREAKING CONSUMER PROTECTION LAWS, etc. etc.

Did you hear today that Countrywide Financial (the country's largest mortgage company is laying off employees and will most likely file for Bankruptcy soon)? It's just the tip of the iceberg! All of this means that car sales will slow dramatically in the coming months. All of those Managers who were making a good income will get exactly what they deserve.(smaller and smaller paychecks and eventually they will be filing for Bankruptcy and their wives will be filing for Divorce!)

If you want the News Stations to do a story, you can orchestrate an event like this: Hundreds of people (or thousands) demonstrating in front of a Toyota Dealership with Picket Signs! Some of the Picket Signs can direct consumers to this website so they can read AND Post complaints too. Anyone who was ripped-off by any car dealership would most likely join in this demonstration.

Just about every News Station in your town would want to cover an event like this because of the large amount of people gathered outside a Toyota Dealership. It might even get National Coverage if you had enough people and Picket Signs that were unique. The Picket Signs should capture the attention of those walking or driving by. Simple verbage on one side and maybe a Cartoon on the other side would be a good idea.

If a News Station had done a story prior to the event, you could direct the public to that website also, like the 9news.com website where you can type in ORNELAS and read the story and watch the video from 2005. You can also direct the public to another website like stopautofraud so the public can see the Dateline NBC Undercover Video from December 2003.

You see, the News Stations will report a story if the story is interesting enough to put on T.V. So, lots of people, picket signs, cartoons, hard proof, the ability to access video from 2003 & 2005, etc. would get your message across and at the same time it would create an awareness to others so they can make an intelligent decision before they visit a Toyota Dealership.

The public could learn so much about what is happening by coming to this GREAT WEBSITE called RIPOFFREPORT and we the people can become the News Reporters of the future. Just think, if people don't want to watch their News Stations because they only report the stories about Paris Hilton, Nicole Richie, Britney Spears, etc., they can come here and not only find out the TRUTH, but actually take part in doing their own story too!

You know, there were people who lived long ago that started reporting the News on their own and it was made into a big book. You can find that book in most people's homes and even in most Hotels and Motels. It's always right there next to the Yellow Pages. Someone said it's the Best Selling Book of all time- The Bible!

'Never ever, ever, ever, give up.' - Winston Churchill

'Resistance to change is likely to reach its peak when significant change is imminent.' - H. Jackson Browne, Jr. (not the singer)

'When money alone becomes the goal, it alienates you.' - Deepak Chopra

'Money is based on numbers. Numbers never end. When you base your happiness on something that never ends, you will never attain it.'

Karl
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Priority Toyota Richmond breaks employment laws and runs same SCAM monthly channel 12 does not think it is news

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

well to follow up on the story i got this email two days ago. apparrently they do not realize i already applied and went through their training program (well up to the point they ask for $300) i got a good laugh at this email i even considered showing up to see if my buddy Bob Stevens was teaching the class again but i did not get off work in time.. I thought there was a law the said a perspective employer had to keep my application on file for a set amount of time. it is obvious that automax and priority toyota of richmond regularly run this scam and both parties are aware of what is going on. i could not get the local news wwbt 12 an nbc affiliate to check this scam out and do a news story. i guess they ARE NOT 12 on your side as they claim. apparently the poor and unemployed getting scammed out of their last $300 of rent money is NOT NEWS. anyway i posted the email below read it for yourself and stay away from any car dealer that uses their training program and tell everyone you know!!!!!


sent: wednesday 8/15/2007 10:00am

Dear Steve,

If you are still seeking employment in the RichmondArea, we remain very interested in speaking with you, and would like to invite you to schedule an interview with us at. Interviews will be held , ONLY Tuesday and Wednesday, August 21st and 22nd, between 9:30 AM and 6:00 PM, and will be held at Priority Toyota Scion of Richmond, 2000 Walthall Center Drive, Chester, Va 23831. (14Ft from I-95, Exit 58).

If you are at least eighteen (18) years of age, are a U.S. citizen or legal resident with a green card, and possess a valid driver's license, REPLY TO THIS EMAIL, and advise me which of the two days and what time would be best for you to come in for a face-to-face interview, and PLEASE INCLUDE YOUR NAME AND PHONE NUMBER, just in case we need to reach you; however, your interview day and time will be confirmed by return email.

When you arrive, ask for the AutoMax representative, please TAKE A COPY OF YOUR RESUME WITH YOU, and note that that there is always the possibility of a delay should previous interviews take longer than expected. It is in your best interest to schedule a definite time for an interview; however, if you are unable to do so, you may come in either day for a walk-in interview. Thank you for your resume and your anticipated prompt reply.
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#28 Author of original report

toyota dealers doing bad business nationwide

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

To Karl

Thanks for your support. I read and agree with the statements you have posted. I see you have done your research on the Toyota motor Corp as well. The public is being scammed in the name of the almighty dollar and we need to get the word out. It is a shame that the greed of majors corporations todays overcomes their comitment to the customers they serve. We all have the power to stop them but it's our money that is the only thing that will do the talking for us!!!

A quote from the movie Vanilla Sky starring Tom Cruise and one of my favorites that i have been saying since the early 90s when the movie came out.

" THE ANSWER TO 99 OUT OF 100 QUESTIONS IS MONEY"
No matter what the question is if you trace the money trail you will find the answer....

One final note

THANK YOU Ed Magedson you are a modern day hero no matter what they say.... You have given the people their voice back keep up the fight
because we are no longer have a government FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE. We have become a government under the control OF THE CORPORATION FOR THE PROFIT OF THE CORPORATE MACHINE AND THE ELITE FEW EMPOWERED BY THEM.
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#29 Consumer Comment

GOOD JOB STEVE

AUTHOR: Karl - (U.S.A.)

Good job Steve! Put as much info as you can on this website about how Toyota and their Dealer Network are FINANCIALLY INJURING everyone that they can! The Dealers are obviously feeling the 'pinch' from declining sales and declining profits and are now attacking potential New Hires. It's just a sign of the times.

Remember, events do not cause corporations to collapse. It's the OPINIONS of the events that trigger the collapse.( Harvard Business Professor). The time has come for the PEOPLE to speak out and harness the TRUTH!

EXPOSE THE CEO's! Write a letter, you'll feel better!
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