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  • Submitted: Tue, May 15, 2007
  • Updated: Wed, June 27, 2012

  • Reported By:Akron Ohio
Pro Model And Talent
3296 West Market Street Akron, Ohio U.S.A.

Pro Model And Talent After doing my research, I still decided to give this agency a try. I am so glad that I got numerous opinions before I invested any money in what I perceive to be am absolute rip-off. Akron Ohio

*Consumer Comment: Model with PMTM

*Author of original report: Response to PMTM'S Rebuttal

*UPDATE Employee: Reply to the "annonymous" reporter regarding the validity of Pro-Model & Talent Management

*UPDATE Employee: Reply to the "annonymous" reporter regarding the validity of Pro-Model & Talent Management

*UPDATE Employee: Reply to the "annonymous" reporter regarding the validity of Pro-Model & Talent Management

*UPDATE Employee: Reply to the "annonymous" reporter regarding the validity of Pro-Model & Talent Management

*Author of original report: Can Consumers have the Facts?

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First of all, I want to state that I did not invest any money into this business. My sole purpose for writing this rip-off report is to educate others who may be lured in by the success this agency appears to have. I definitely question the motives of this company.

I went to an open call audition where there was a long speech about how wonderful and successful this agency is. To be honest, it did seem too good to be true. I then proceeded to walk the runway and was told by my interviewer that I was wonderful and that they would love to sign me. The following day, I booked a follow up appointment. As a college student, I was asked to bring a parent along with me. RED FLAG.

Up until this point, nothing financial was discussed that would lead me to believe that I was being scammed. I am confident and felt and still feel that I could start work today as a local model and be successful. At this "follow up" meeting, my interviewer wanted to cancel the meeting because my mother wasn't there.

I am an adult, I do not need a parent to be present to make a decision about my life. Her response was that it was important to have someone who was in control of finances to be present. That would be insult number 1. Apparently college students do not have the means or ability to manage their money.

The hits kept coming from there. What happened to "You are wonderful, we would love to sign you..."? I was basically told that I needed to pay OVER 1000 dollars for training, and after that I would immediately be signed to their agency. RED FLAG #2. I cannot disagree with them there. You should be educated about the field you are going into, but no one needs to shell out 1,000+ to Barbizon in order to become "educated." I have a lot of experience within the entertainment industry that would make me a good fit for local part-time modeling.

Every bit of experience I mentioned was completely shot down and insulted. Everything this company has to offer is semi politically correct and unfortunately legal, but I feel as though it is the community members who need to come together and realize that this isn't right.

I read another rip-off report about this company that prompted me to tell my story. When the other person who was ripped off mentioned that Pro Model & Talent most likely got a cut of the money Barbizon makes from desperate wannabe models, PMTM immediately denied the allegation.

While I am not going to make any accusation, I found it VERY strange that my follow up interview was conducted in one of several cubicles adjacent and in the same building as Barbizon. I was even told that one of their models was teaching the class. Take what you will from what I observed, but as a business student, I am not naive. They are DEFINITELY gaining monetarily in some way by having their recruits and Barbizon on their premises.

In short, I want people to be leary of this company. It is a WELL KNOWN fact that any aspiring model should NEVER pay for representation, which is what you are essentially doing. It would be different if they weren't shoving Barbizon down your throat. You can educate yourself on the modeling industry without shelling out that much money. You can read, watch one of the many modeling shows on tv, and as I found recently, audition locally for similar modeling jobs that are open to newcomers for experience.

To make this somewhat short, this company seems to target local citizens who just want a fun, local part-time modeling job. If that is the case, the criteria this modeling agency is asking for is very questionable. You do not need to graduate from Barbizon to be a local model and to say otherwise is misleading.

As for anyone seriously looking into modeling, you know and I know that PMTM is not the place to try to make it. Go to a big city, use that 1,000+ dollars to get a good portfolio, and find representation who is willing to take a chance on your talent, not one that will coerce you to pay. I know that I could have made that agency money, and it is their loss that they wouldn't sign me without Barbizon.

Their inability to accept talent who don't need to pay leads me to believe that their successful jobs and payrates are somewhat fleeting. Take from this what you will, but this is my honest assessment of the two days I wasted with an agency where the vast majority of models paid for representation. In one final word: awful.

Appalled
Akron, Ohio
U.S.A.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 05/15/2007 11:02 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Pro-Model-And-Talent/Akron-Ohio-44333/Pro-Model-And-Talent-After-doing-my-research-I-still-decided-to-give-this-agency-a-try-I-248848. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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AUTHOR: stephanie03 - (United States of America)

First off, PMTM is NOT a rip off company.  I got sucked into a rip off company prior to going to PMTM and trust me I didn't give them much trust at first.  However, I got work right away.  I also took the class, yes I paid for it, however within a few jobs I earned that money back quickly.  I also have the option to take these classes over and over as needed throughout the rest of my life with no charge.  They are make-up classes, how to walk the runway, how to prepare with scripts, how to present yourself for audition, how to get through an audition, proper ways of being in this business, and so on.  ALL things you should learn if you're going to be in this business.  Do you think actors don't pay for acting classes or acting coaches?  It's not about being pretty for the camera.  You have to have talent, the look, be marketable, and know how to pull it off all at the same time.  Talent and pretty people are a dime a dozen.  This business is far from easy.  I can tell you that I started with them when I was 18.  I have never seen anyone at the agency complain or be unhappy they joined or took the class (for those of us who did).  We all LOVE it!  We are paid well for work and we enjoy our work.  I am now 27.  I have two kids.  Throughout the years I have been able to work around having kids.  The fact that you never attended the agency nor worked for them, gives you no right what-so-ever to say they are a "Rip Off".

People who claim PMTM is a rip off probably didn't do their "homework".  It is NOT the agency's job to make sure someone gets a job.  They will dress you and prep you.  Its your responsibility to get the part.  You either have it in this business or you don't.  Simple as that.  People who don't have it, shouldn't run off and call them a rip off.  I've made good money with them and so have many others. 
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AUTHOR: Annonymous - (U.S.A.)

I have definitely moved on with my life since filing the initial rip-off report. I recently read this rebuttal and I seriously did not want to respond, but I honestly could not let the "Director" of PMTM get away with what I feel are misleading comments.

Here are the responses that were the most misleading:

"A red flag would be an agency, or any company, that does not want a college age person's parent(s) to be aware that he/she is considering the idea of modeling/acting. We are a family oriented agency and feel that parents should be involved and aware of what is going on with their children and young adults"

I am not a child, I am not a young adult, I am an ADULT. I respect any family oriented agency, but there is no need to reschedule a 20 year olds appointment because her mother wasn't there, who might I add lives hours away. That is wrong, and INSULTING no matter how you attempt to twist it.

1. "There is no fee to list with PMTM. Training, education, images, etc will require an investment wherever you elect to acquire them. That is correct. One is NOT paying for representation in listing with PMTM."

AND

2. "One is NOT paying for representation in listing with PMTM. If we recommend Barbizon or training, then a person would be paying for training. Pretty simple concept. No one is forcing a person to list with PMTM."

Yet another complete twist on words. If you want to be technical, then I will go along with you. Technically, one isn't paying for representation. However, the VAST MAJORITY cannot be represented without training, which costs hundreds of dollars. Sound better?

It gets even better.

3. "If you don't like what we are recommending, go somewhere else. Education on the industry is key."

Here is the thing: you aren't recommending it. You simply can't work until you pay to be "educated." It is required!

4. "It is a shame you act as an expert on the industry in paragraphs 10 and 11. Do not claim to know what is needed to be successful more than our organization. It is neither comely, nor accurate. At no time does PMTM state that being a Barbizon Graduate is required to be a local model. However, we may very well require training and industry knowledge in order to accept a model for marketing. "

This is where you start to fall apart. I never once claimed to be an expert. I simply stated common knowledge. One should not be given a 1,000 "educational" quote in order to eventually sign with an agency. It is unecessary to repeat the same comment FOUR times, in four different ways. YOU ARE NOT "RECOMMENDING" ANYTHING! You said it yourself- if you want to be a part of PMTM, you must pay for training, which will lead to you being signed, and if you don't like it- go somewhere else. Those are your exact words! You cannot twist that! Of course there are exceptions, but this is what the vast majority faces when they come to PMTM.

"Hopefully, though, no one will rely on reality television shows for education. These still don't train a model or talent properly (a comparison: one can read about, watch tv, and just go to the gym and lift weights, but if not done with the right form, it can cause more damage than good, though the person can still claim to be working out).

To be honest, I knew I would be ripped apart for the statement that aspiring models can do it on their own without the help of your "educational tools." What kind of profit earning business would you be if that comment didn't bother you?

However, it is the truth. Factual knowledge can be learned through reading and yes, sometimes even through watching the television and to suggest otherwise is irresponsible. Of course this should not be relied on, however, I would hope that a potential model would not rely on Barbizon to be truly "educated" either. There should be balance to everything in life.

"Additionally, in paragraph 11, your rates for costs of shoots, etc are completely inaccurate, your industry terminology is outdated"

First of all, I never once stated any rates for shoots. I simply suggested to potential victims that instead of investing in PMTM/Barbizon for their "education" (however you want to twist it), instead they should invest that money in other ways to better themselves for modeling.

"Again, it's important to filter the information you receive. Please double check the printing dates on materials you read or DVD's you may rent or purchase. Once you've done some more research, feel free to come back and audition again."

I love how you are insinuating my inherent lack of education. I even looked at the previous poster who made a report against you, and you called her "uneducated" as well. Those are really bad debate tactics to have and you will find it hard for someone to look at your points objectively when each underlying comment is laced with a degrading comment.

I especially love the lengths you went to in order to make me look bad. I mean, come on, so much was misconstrued here. I never once mentioned a rate for shoots, I never once mentioned that I conduct research through outdated DVD's and "printing materials" and I never once mentioned anything about reality television. However, your creativity in twisting words is admirable.

My initial report stands. After thouroughly reading your rebuttal, I am honestly disturbed. Disturbed with your mentality that someone who feels differently than you is uneducated, disturbed that your company is so demeaning to those who have simply had a bad experience. If anyone should be "ashamed" it should be you.

Despite how uneducated you may think I am, you are severely misguided. If you truly want me to do more research into your company, I will. You know what I will find? I will find that the vast majority of your models paid lots of money for "education" in order to compete for menial local jobs, most of whom will never make it big and who just may be lucky enough to pay off the massive debts they incurred through being a part of your company.

Good luck with everything. I stand by everything I have said, I can only hope that through all of your belittling remarks that consumers will find the truth.
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AUTHOR: Pro-model & Talent - (U.S.A.)

In reply to the Anonymous a.k.a. Appalled reporter regarding the validity of Pro-Model & Talent Management, we will address each of the concerns individually.

1. We don't appear to have the success we list. We DO have the success we list. The pictures on our walls and the commercial spots and video clips seen speak for themselves and is just a sampling of the work our models and talent have executed locally, nationally & internationally. Our clientele base and the amount of work our models and talent execute is extensive.

2. In response to your second and third paragraphs, a red flag would be an agency, or any company, that does not want a college age person's parent(s) to be aware that he/she is considering the idea of modeling/acting. We are a family oriented agency and feel that parents should be involved and aware of what is going on with their children and young adults. We feel having the family involved and all people involved with making career decisions present when we review what/how or if we are interested in working with a potential new face. If support people cannot be present, we'd rather reschedule. Every company should require as much, and there should be nothing insulting about it.

3. We encourage you to actively pursue the modeling you have begun. Hopefully it will provide you a better understanding of how the industry really works.

4. If someone has not worked as a model or actor in the industry, and has no previous experience, one of our recommendations may very well be training at Barbizon of Akron or elsewhere. A person with experience in the industry may have been on set, but still may not be prepared to compete against our models and talent successfully. We're selective as an agency, hence our success. It's a shame that potential models and talent take offense to such recommendations. They should be sincerely evaluated, if not embraced, to better help the individual. One is never too old to stop learning.

5. Generally, previous experience is good, but since you have not listed any examples here, no comment can be made regarding any of the mentioned experience. Our recommendations to aspiring models and talent have resulted in a great deal of success for many of those that have followed them. Again, just look at the high level of success our models and talent have achieved. Their success is our success.

6. Barbizon of Akron is a training center. Pro-Model & Talent Management is a working placement agency for models & talent. Not all listed models with Pro-Model & Talent are Barbizon of Akron grads and not all grads list with Pro-Model & Talent We can, and do, list models directly for work. We must feel they are ready for work, to impress our clients and represent the Pro-Model & Talent Name in the caliber our clients have grown to expect. They must have the skills and industry knowledge and be work-ready. Unfortunately, some previous work does not always equal skills and knowledge at the caliber needed to work with the agency.

7. We successfully place models and talent in assignments 93.5% of the time. This is a very high %. Feel free to compare this placement rate. Barbizon of Akron and Pro-Model & Talent do share offices, and are affiliated. Most people don't arrive at our offices industry ready, and we know Barbizon of Akron does an exceptional job with training and industry preparation, if needed. We can confidently recommend them as an excellent training facility. However, an aspiring model/talent needing training may pursue any training resource he/she chooses. Again, when someone comes to our offices industry ready, we can and will list them directly if we feel that we can successfully market them.

8. There is no fee to list with PMTM. Training, education, images, etc will require an investment wherever you elect to acquire them. That is correct. One is NOT paying for representation in listing with PMTM. If we recommend Barbizon or training, then a person would be paying for training. Pretty simple concept. No one is forcing a person to list with PMTM. If you don't like what we are recommending, go somewhere else. Education on the industry is key, and just as important is filtering the correct information out from all of the floods of information you can potentially receive. This holds true on all topics, from medical and legal advice to modeling. Hopefully, though, no one will rely on reality television shows for education. There are many auditions locally for similar but not the same paying, caliber, protected assignments that we book, open to models and newcomers for experience. These still don't train a model or talent properly (a comparison: one can read about, watch tv, and just go to the gym and lift weights, but if not done with the right form, it can cause more damage than good, though the person can still claim to be working out). It's solely up to the individual with what level of seriousness he or she wishes to pursue in this or any industry.

9. It is a shame you act as an expert on the industry in paragraphs 10 and 11. You are the party misleading aspiring models & talent, not Pro-Model & Talent Management. It is quite clear that we have been doing what we are doing successfully for over 25 years. What we do works for models and talent many of them are out there working. You see them on the runway, and in promotions, print and production locally, nationally and internationally. Do not claim to know what is needed to be successful more than our organization. It is neither comely, nor accurate. At no time does PMTM state that being a Barbizon Graduate is required to be a local model. However, we may very well require training and industry knowledge in order to accept a model for marketing. We know what it takes to reach success. If any person does not wish to follow our recommendations, it is completely up to him/her. We are not misleading, we are honest. Sometimes people simply just do not like to hear the truth about what is required.

10. Additionally, in paragraph 11, your rates for costs of shoots, etc are completely inaccurate, your industry terminology is outdated, and rarely will agencies in major markets take chances. Again, it's important to filter the information you receive. Please double check the printing dates on materials you read or DVD's you may rent or purchase.

11. We are able and do accept models for direct placement with the agency, when we are able to market them directly. It's very simple. Our payrates are not fleeting, they are the industry standard for professionals. Hopefully, as you and all other models/talent continue to gain experience and educate yourselves on the industry, you will become more aware of what is required of models/talent and what can be expected from reputable agencies. It is our goal to keep people as properly informed about the industry as possible. Once you've done some more research, feel free to come back and audition again. We would be happy to make additional recommendations at that time.

Agency Director
Pro-Model & Talent Management
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AUTHOR: Pro-model & Talent - (U.S.A.)

In reply to the Anonymous a.k.a. Appalled reporter regarding the validity of Pro-Model & Talent Management, we will address each of the concerns individually.

1. We don't appear to have the success we list. We DO have the success we list. The pictures on our walls and the commercial spots and video clips seen speak for themselves and is just a sampling of the work our models and talent have executed locally, nationally & internationally. Our clientele base and the amount of work our models and talent execute is extensive.

2. In response to your second and third paragraphs, a red flag would be an agency, or any company, that does not want a college age person's parent(s) to be aware that he/she is considering the idea of modeling/acting. We are a family oriented agency and feel that parents should be involved and aware of what is going on with their children and young adults. We feel having the family involved and all people involved with making career decisions present when we review what/how or if we are interested in working with a potential new face. If support people cannot be present, we'd rather reschedule. Every company should require as much, and there should be nothing insulting about it.

3. We encourage you to actively pursue the modeling you have begun. Hopefully it will provide you a better understanding of how the industry really works.

4. If someone has not worked as a model or actor in the industry, and has no previous experience, one of our recommendations may very well be training at Barbizon of Akron or elsewhere. A person with experience in the industry may have been on set, but still may not be prepared to compete against our models and talent successfully. We're selective as an agency, hence our success. It's a shame that potential models and talent take offense to such recommendations. They should be sincerely evaluated, if not embraced, to better help the individual. One is never too old to stop learning.

5. Generally, previous experience is good, but since you have not listed any examples here, no comment can be made regarding any of the mentioned experience. Our recommendations to aspiring models and talent have resulted in a great deal of success for many of those that have followed them. Again, just look at the high level of success our models and talent have achieved. Their success is our success.

6. Barbizon of Akron is a training center. Pro-Model & Talent Management is a working placement agency for models & talent. Not all listed models with Pro-Model & Talent are Barbizon of Akron grads and not all grads list with Pro-Model & Talent We can, and do, list models directly for work. We must feel they are ready for work, to impress our clients and represent the Pro-Model & Talent Name in the caliber our clients have grown to expect. They must have the skills and industry knowledge and be work-ready. Unfortunately, some previous work does not always equal skills and knowledge at the caliber needed to work with the agency.

7. We successfully place models and talent in assignments 93.5% of the time. This is a very high %. Feel free to compare this placement rate. Barbizon of Akron and Pro-Model & Talent do share offices, and are affiliated. Most people don't arrive at our offices industry ready, and we know Barbizon of Akron does an exceptional job with training and industry preparation, if needed. We can confidently recommend them as an excellent training facility. However, an aspiring model/talent needing training may pursue any training resource he/she chooses. Again, when someone comes to our offices industry ready, we can and will list them directly if we feel that we can successfully market them.

8. There is no fee to list with PMTM. Training, education, images, etc will require an investment wherever you elect to acquire them. That is correct. One is NOT paying for representation in listing with PMTM. If we recommend Barbizon or training, then a person would be paying for training. Pretty simple concept. No one is forcing a person to list with PMTM. If you don't like what we are recommending, go somewhere else. Education on the industry is key, and just as important is filtering the correct information out from all of the floods of information you can potentially receive. This holds true on all topics, from medical and legal advice to modeling. Hopefully, though, no one will rely on reality television shows for education. There are many auditions locally for similar but not the same paying, caliber, protected assignments that we book, open to models and newcomers for experience. These still don't train a model or talent properly (a comparison: one can read about, watch tv, and just go to the gym and lift weights, but if not done with the right form, it can cause more damage than good, though the person can still claim to be working out). It's solely up to the individual with what level of seriousness he or she wishes to pursue in this or any industry.

9. It is a shame you act as an expert on the industry in paragraphs 10 and 11. You are the party misleading aspiring models & talent, not Pro-Model & Talent Management. It is quite clear that we have been doing what we are doing successfully for over 25 years. What we do works for models and talent many of them are out there working. You see them on the runway, and in promotions, print and production locally, nationally and internationally. Do not claim to know what is needed to be successful more than our organization. It is neither comely, nor accurate. At no time does PMTM state that being a Barbizon Graduate is required to be a local model. However, we may very well require training and industry knowledge in order to accept a model for marketing. We know what it takes to reach success. If any person does not wish to follow our recommendations, it is completely up to him/her. We are not misleading, we are honest. Sometimes people simply just do not like to hear the truth about what is required.

10. Additionally, in paragraph 11, your rates for costs of shoots, etc are completely inaccurate, your industry terminology is outdated, and rarely will agencies in major markets take chances. Again, it's important to filter the information you receive. Please double check the printing dates on materials you read or DVD's you may rent or purchase.

11. We are able and do accept models for direct placement with the agency, when we are able to market them directly. It's very simple. Our payrates are not fleeting, they are the industry standard for professionals. Hopefully, as you and all other models/talent continue to gain experience and educate yourselves on the industry, you will become more aware of what is required of models/talent and what can be expected from reputable agencies. It is our goal to keep people as properly informed about the industry as possible. Once you've done some more research, feel free to come back and audition again. We would be happy to make additional recommendations at that time.

Agency Director
Pro-Model & Talent Management
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AUTHOR: Pro-model & Talent - (U.S.A.)

In reply to the Anonymous a.k.a. Appalled reporter regarding the validity of Pro-Model & Talent Management, we will address each of the concerns individually.

1. We don't appear to have the success we list. We DO have the success we list. The pictures on our walls and the commercial spots and video clips seen speak for themselves and is just a sampling of the work our models and talent have executed locally, nationally & internationally. Our clientele base and the amount of work our models and talent execute is extensive.

2. In response to your second and third paragraphs, a red flag would be an agency, or any company, that does not want a college age person's parent(s) to be aware that he/she is considering the idea of modeling/acting. We are a family oriented agency and feel that parents should be involved and aware of what is going on with their children and young adults. We feel having the family involved and all people involved with making career decisions present when we review what/how or if we are interested in working with a potential new face. If support people cannot be present, we'd rather reschedule. Every company should require as much, and there should be nothing insulting about it.

3. We encourage you to actively pursue the modeling you have begun. Hopefully it will provide you a better understanding of how the industry really works.

4. If someone has not worked as a model or actor in the industry, and has no previous experience, one of our recommendations may very well be training at Barbizon of Akron or elsewhere. A person with experience in the industry may have been on set, but still may not be prepared to compete against our models and talent successfully. We're selective as an agency, hence our success. It's a shame that potential models and talent take offense to such recommendations. They should be sincerely evaluated, if not embraced, to better help the individual. One is never too old to stop learning.

5. Generally, previous experience is good, but since you have not listed any examples here, no comment can be made regarding any of the mentioned experience. Our recommendations to aspiring models and talent have resulted in a great deal of success for many of those that have followed them. Again, just look at the high level of success our models and talent have achieved. Their success is our success.

6. Barbizon of Akron is a training center. Pro-Model & Talent Management is a working placement agency for models & talent. Not all listed models with Pro-Model & Talent are Barbizon of Akron grads and not all grads list with Pro-Model & Talent We can, and do, list models directly for work. We must feel they are ready for work, to impress our clients and represent the Pro-Model & Talent Name in the caliber our clients have grown to expect. They must have the skills and industry knowledge and be work-ready. Unfortunately, some previous work does not always equal skills and knowledge at the caliber needed to work with the agency.

7. We successfully place models and talent in assignments 93.5% of the time. This is a very high %. Feel free to compare this placement rate. Barbizon of Akron and Pro-Model & Talent do share offices, and are affiliated. Most people don't arrive at our offices industry ready, and we know Barbizon of Akron does an exceptional job with training and industry preparation, if needed. We can confidently recommend them as an excellent training facility. However, an aspiring model/talent needing training may pursue any training resource he/she chooses. Again, when someone comes to our offices industry ready, we can and will list them directly if we feel that we can successfully market them.

8. There is no fee to list with PMTM. Training, education, images, etc will require an investment wherever you elect to acquire them. That is correct. One is NOT paying for representation in listing with PMTM. If we recommend Barbizon or training, then a person would be paying for training. Pretty simple concept. No one is forcing a person to list with PMTM. If you don't like what we are recommending, go somewhere else. Education on the industry is key, and just as important is filtering the correct information out from all of the floods of information you can potentially receive. This holds true on all topics, from medical and legal advice to modeling. Hopefully, though, no one will rely on reality television shows for education. There are many auditions locally for similar but not the same paying, caliber, protected assignments that we book, open to models and newcomers for experience. These still don't train a model or talent properly (a comparison: one can read about, watch tv, and just go to the gym and lift weights, but if not done with the right form, it can cause more damage than good, though the person can still claim to be working out). It's solely up to the individual with what level of seriousness he or she wishes to pursue in this or any industry.

9. It is a shame you act as an expert on the industry in paragraphs 10 and 11. You are the party misleading aspiring models & talent, not Pro-Model & Talent Management. It is quite clear that we have been doing what we are doing successfully for over 25 years. What we do works for models and talent many of them are out there working. You see them on the runway, and in promotions, print and production locally, nationally and internationally. Do not claim to know what is needed to be successful more than our organization. It is neither comely, nor accurate. At no time does PMTM state that being a Barbizon Graduate is required to be a local model. However, we may very well require training and industry knowledge in order to accept a model for marketing. We know what it takes to reach success. If any person does not wish to follow our recommendations, it is completely up to him/her. We are not misleading, we are honest. Sometimes people simply just do not like to hear the truth about what is required.

10. Additionally, in paragraph 11, your rates for costs of shoots, etc are completely inaccurate, your industry terminology is outdated, and rarely will agencies in major markets take chances. Again, it's important to filter the information you receive. Please double check the printing dates on materials you read or DVD's you may rent or purchase.

11. We are able and do accept models for direct placement with the agency, when we are able to market them directly. It's very simple. Our payrates are not fleeting, they are the industry standard for professionals. Hopefully, as you and all other models/talent continue to gain experience and educate yourselves on the industry, you will become more aware of what is required of models/talent and what can be expected from reputable agencies. It is our goal to keep people as properly informed about the industry as possible. Once you've done some more research, feel free to come back and audition again. We would be happy to make additional recommendations at that time.

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Reply to the "annonymous" reporter regarding the validity of Pro-Model & Talent Management

AUTHOR: Pro-model & Talent - (U.S.A.)

In reply to the Anonymous a.k.a. Appalled reporter regarding the validity of Pro-Model & Talent Management, we will address each of the concerns individually.

1. We don't appear to have the success we list. We DO have the success we list. The pictures on our walls and the commercial spots and video clips seen speak for themselves and is just a sampling of the work our models and talent have executed locally, nationally & internationally. Our clientele base and the amount of work our models and talent execute is extensive.

2. In response to your second and third paragraphs, a red flag would be an agency, or any company, that does not want a college age person's parent(s) to be aware that he/she is considering the idea of modeling/acting. We are a family oriented agency and feel that parents should be involved and aware of what is going on with their children and young adults. We feel having the family involved and all people involved with making career decisions present when we review what/how or if we are interested in working with a potential new face. If support people cannot be present, we'd rather reschedule. Every company should require as much, and there should be nothing insulting about it.

3. We encourage you to actively pursue the modeling you have begun. Hopefully it will provide you a better understanding of how the industry really works.

4. If someone has not worked as a model or actor in the industry, and has no previous experience, one of our recommendations may very well be training at Barbizon of Akron or elsewhere. A person with experience in the industry may have been on set, but still may not be prepared to compete against our models and talent successfully. We're selective as an agency, hence our success. It's a shame that potential models and talent take offense to such recommendations. They should be sincerely evaluated, if not embraced, to better help the individual. One is never too old to stop learning.

5. Generally, previous experience is good, but since you have not listed any examples here, no comment can be made regarding any of the mentioned experience. Our recommendations to aspiring models and talent have resulted in a great deal of success for many of those that have followed them. Again, just look at the high level of success our models and talent have achieved. Their success is our success.

6. Barbizon of Akron is a training center. Pro-Model & Talent Management is a working placement agency for models & talent. Not all listed models with Pro-Model & Talent are Barbizon of Akron grads and not all grads list with Pro-Model & Talent We can, and do, list models directly for work. We must feel they are ready for work, to impress our clients and represent the Pro-Model & Talent Name in the caliber our clients have grown to expect. They must have the skills and industry knowledge and be work-ready. Unfortunately, some previous work does not always equal skills and knowledge at the caliber needed to work with the agency.

7. We successfully place models and talent in assignments 93.5% of the time. This is a very high %. Feel free to compare this placement rate. Barbizon of Akron and Pro-Model & Talent do share offices, and are affiliated. Most people don't arrive at our offices industry ready, and we know Barbizon of Akron does an exceptional job with training and industry preparation, if needed. We can confidently recommend them as an excellent training facility. However, an aspiring model/talent needing training may pursue any training resource he/she chooses. Again, when someone comes to our offices industry ready, we can and will list them directly if we feel that we can successfully market them.

8. There is no fee to list with PMTM. Training, education, images, etc will require an investment wherever you elect to acquire them. That is correct. One is NOT paying for representation in listing with PMTM. If we recommend Barbizon or training, then a person would be paying for training. Pretty simple concept. No one is forcing a person to list with PMTM. If you don't like what we are recommending, go somewhere else. Education on the industry is key, and just as important is filtering the correct information out from all of the floods of information you can potentially receive. This holds true on all topics, from medical and legal advice to modeling. Hopefully, though, no one will rely on reality television shows for education. There are many auditions locally for similar but not the same paying, caliber, protected assignments that we book, open to models and newcomers for experience. These still don't train a model or talent properly (a comparison: one can read about, watch tv, and just go to the gym and lift weights, but if not done with the right form, it can cause more damage than good, though the person can still claim to be working out). It's solely up to the individual with what level of seriousness he or she wishes to pursue in this or any industry.

9. It is a shame you act as an expert on the industry in paragraphs 10 and 11. You are the party misleading aspiring models & talent, not Pro-Model & Talent Management. It is quite clear that we have been doing what we are doing successfully for over 25 years. What we do works for models and talent many of them are out there working. You see them on the runway, and in promotions, print and production locally, nationally and internationally. Do not claim to know what is needed to be successful more than our organization. It is neither comely, nor accurate. At no time does PMTM state that being a Barbizon Graduate is required to be a local model. However, we may very well require training and industry knowledge in order to accept a model for marketing. We know what it takes to reach success. If any person does not wish to follow our recommendations, it is completely up to him/her. We are not misleading, we are honest. Sometimes people simply just do not like to hear the truth about what is required.

10. Additionally, in paragraph 11, your rates for costs of shoots, etc are completely inaccurate, your industry terminology is outdated, and rarely will agencies in major markets take chances. Again, it's important to filter the information you receive. Please double check the printing dates on materials you read or DVD's you may rent or purchase.

11. We are able and do accept models for direct placement with the agency, when we are able to market them directly. It's very simple. Our payrates are not fleeting, they are the industry standard for professionals. Hopefully, as you and all other models/talent continue to gain experience and educate yourselves on the industry, you will become more aware of what is required of models/talent and what can be expected from reputable agencies. It is our goal to keep people as properly informed about the industry as possible. Once you've done some more research, feel free to come back and audition again. We would be happy to make additional recommendations at that time.

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Can Consumers have the Facts?

AUTHOR: Kasey - (U.S.A.)

I suppose I left something rather important out. After I read the rebutal from this agency in regards to the last person who made a rip-off report, there is some information I would like to know.

Since PMTM claims that models do not pay for representation, I think it is fair to ask them for certain figures.

How many potential talents get an "A" rating?(percentage/numerical figure)

What percentage of modeling hopefuls are asked to pay for/ and or have completed Barbizon training?

What percentage of your models make 1,000+ dollars LOCALLY relatively soon after graduating from Barbizon in order to cover their costs of education?

In your HONEST opinion, why do local models really NEED your company to be successful with local modeling?

I don't want any generalizations, just facts. I have a feeling that those being asked to pay for Barbizon training before representation is not the minority you would like to portray it to be- especially since EVERY person I have asked has either paid money or been smart enough to go elsewhere.
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