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Complaint Review: Professional Marketing International (PMI)

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  • Submitted: Tue, August 06, 2002
  • Updated: Wed, February 14, 2007

  • Reported By:Morgan City LA
Professional Marketing International (PMI)
791 East 340 South American Fork, Utah U.S.A.

Professional Marketing International PMI ripoff non refund do not return calls for refunds Fork Utah
*UPDATE ..Rip-off Report Investigation - PMI - Rip-off Report gives PMI a positive rating after Professional Marketing International declared its goal to achieve total customer satisfaction & excellent customer service - PMI claimed & continues to demonstrate its sincere desire to clear up any unresolved matters & safeguard against similar issues in the future. We discovered many complaints filed against PMI were meant for another company with a similar name.

*Consumer Suggestion: How to avoid being ripped off by Bright Builders

*Consumer Suggestion: Discussion Regarding Bogus Mentoring Programs.

*Consumer Comment: LOL Reid You are so Right!!! these guys are so d**n slick.

*Consumer Suggestion: My Offer To Paul.

*Consumer Suggestion: Mentoring Scam.

*Consumer Suggestion: Some Fresh Food For Thought.. These bogus "mentoring" programs are nothing but scams.

*Consumer Comment: hard work and commitment... appearantly non-existent

*Consumer Comment: hard work and commitment... appearantly non-existent

*Consumer Comment: hard work and commitment... appearantly non-existent

*Consumer Comment: hard work and commitment... appearantly non-existent

*Consumer Comment: PMI, Nathan Kenyon, Auctions for Income, Dave Espino, Bright Builders, Jim Cochran, Greg Cooper ..thanks to the creators of this website

*Consumer Suggestion: It's nothing but a big scam!!

*Consumer Comment: P.M.I. professional (RIPOFF) Marketing International

*Consumer Comment: To Shannon ..devulge the method by which PMI Coaching selects its pigeons....

*Consumer Comment: To Shannon ..spew the corporate mantra all you like

*Author of original report: Rebuttal to the Employee ..we did stick with the program!

*UPDATE Employee: What was purchased?????

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Rip-off Report issues Professional Marketing International (PMI/PMI coaching) a positive rating. After a thorough investigation, Rip-off Report finds PMI is committed to deliver top notch customer service. PMI has new systems in place to take care of its customers. Recently, PMI invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in improving its products and services, its customer service training and response times, and updating its facilities to operate more efficiently and effectively. The new and improved PMI is better than ever. Although Rip-off Report has received critical postings about this company in the past, Rip-off Report found that many of the filed reports against PMI were fraudulent and/or unsubstantiated. More importantly, it was discovered many reports were intended for other companies with similar names or in similar industries. Finally, PMI has committed itself to Rip-off Report and to its consumers to provide the highest levels of customer satisfaction. PMI has joined the Rip-off Report Corporate Advocacy Program, obliging itself to be a leader in customer service. Although some past reports were filed by people who were never customers of PMI, PMI has chosen to respond to all complaints that it receives quickly and to the best of the consumers satisfaction. Consumers doing business with members of the Corporate Advocacy Program can feel confident and safe when using a members product or services. Read more about Professional Marketing International, PMI - PMI coaching and their commitment to total customer satisfaction.
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Please see copy of letter sent to President of company:

August 6, 2002

Mr. Steve Thorne, President
Professional Marketing International
791 East 340 South
American Fork, UT 84003


Subject: Refund of Unsatisfactory Services and Product


Dear Mr. Thorne,

As President of a company that provides services and products to consumers, I cannot believe that you would run a company that rips consumers off and employs rude and smart mouthed employees.

My husband and I have been dealing with Boyd Dennis in your company. As a man that represents your business, he does not make a good impression on you and your company. Your customer service department is a joke. How can anyone get a refund on a return if your customer service department and the people you employ do not return phone calls? Please leave a message and I will return your call. Why have voice mail if you call someone, tell him or her you want a refund. Their thing to do is ignore the voice mail message. My message was heard and screened. They heard Refund. Let's ignore it and screw the consumer. Is this how you operate?

I even called the Whitney Education Group whom you represent. They did not even return any of my phone calls. I received a letter from your so-called customer service department. They did not even identify themselves in the letter. What's up with that? The only person I spoke to was someone named Becca. She couldn't even help me. I don't know. This popular phrase must have been implemented in your company.

The mentoring program you provided covered everything already taught in the Russ Whitney seminar. The software you provided was second hand material. One CD was taped onto the inside of the binder. Another CD has a big scratch on it. Was this returned from another dissatisfied customer? Now you can have mine back and sell it to the next unsuspecting consumer. Hopefully that consumer will read up on you company on the Better Business Bureau and Rip-Off Report. From these two web sites, they will see my dissatisfaction with your company.

I want my refund for the RE Software package. I want my $2495.00. I want my refund of the balance of the mentoring program. I want my $2800.00. I want a refund in the amount of $5295.00 and I am not joking. I will do anything possible to get my money. You will see my posting on www.ripoffreport.com. I will file a complaint with the Utah Better Business Bureau. If I have to hire an attorney, write a congressman, a state representative, or a state senator, I will.

Please refund my $5295.00 as soon as possible. I will not be a consumer that lets people like you and your company take advantage of me. I will not roll over and play dead. We are talking about $5295.00 of my money that is owed back to me and I want it.

Tracey
Morgan City, Louisiana

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#1 Consumer Suggestion

How to avoid being ripped off by Bright Builders

AUTHOR: Earl - (U.S.A.)

They got me for $6800 also. Same tactics I've read here. Their Scum.



For those who don't believe what these "pigeons"

have written, pee down your leg.



That is more satisfaction then you'll get doing any business with Bright Builders or their Forfillment Companies!



Honest, DON'T DO BUSINESS WITH BRIGHT BUILDERS

SURPLUS ALERT OR EXECTIVE MARKETING their in it togeather!
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#2 Consumer Suggestion

Discussion Regarding Bogus Mentoring Programs.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

Hey there Kim,



I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.



KIM: Give me a break! Obviously this guy hasn't seen the contract that was sent to me! It was a total joke!



REID: You are absolutely right Kim. Their contract may very well have been drafted by a kindergardener. NO JOKE!



KIM: I am a Realtor in the State of California...Hello! (the contracts I deal with are painfully detailed)My Errors and Omissions insurance is skyrocketing because of creeps like these people!!!



REID: You're a Realtor? Awesome! Yeah, I guess these fraudulent "mentoring" programs have no clue, as to what legal and binding contracts, or Real Estate in general entails.



DROA (Deposit, Receipt, Offer and Acceptance), Agency Disclosure, Escrow, Financing, Mortgages, Deeds, Trusts, Real Property Tax, Appraisals, Subdivision Law, Listing Contracts, Truth In Lending, and Condominium Law, are just a few of the basic principles, which rookie Realtors must familiarize themselves with.



Kim: I told Nathan Kenyon to send me a copy of the contract reiterating everything that was said so that I could sign on the dotted line, you should have seen the hilarious garbage that was faxed over to me! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA It was almost like a first grader had put it together. There was nothing; I repeat nothing in terms of the verbal promises that were talked about.



REID: Their contract lacks Specific Terms and Conditions, Disclosure, Policies and Procedures, 3 day right to cancel agreement, and many other pertinent elememts, which constitutes a legal and binding contract.



KIM: Come on people we are talking about 8k here!!!



REID: Only 8k? Kim, you really shouldn't have posted this information. Now everyone knows the amount of "available credit" you have on your credit card. LOL. Just kidding.



KIM: Certainly you can come up with a legitimate contract with an area for both of us to sign on!



REID: I think they prefer the one sided unilateral contract. These types of contracts are more favorable and desirable to con artists.



KIM: I am telling you that this was the final clue for me that something didn't smell right. That is when I starting checking these people out! I am telling you these guys are so d**n slick. I don't work my biz this way so I guess I didn't spot this mentoring crap as BS but believe me I will be the Skeptical Inquirer from Now ON!!!



REID: I know exactly what you're saying. I myself, am a recent graduate of a six week crash course in real estate. I'm presently attending an additional three week Real Estate sales training course.



Anyways, I'm really glad Kim, that you have not become yet another victim of this dubious nonsense. Thank you very much for your response.



Until next time, take care Kim cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless. Keep in touch.
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#3 Consumer Comment

LOL Reid You are so Right!!! these guys are so d**n slick.

AUTHOR: Kim - (U.S.A.)

Give me a break! Obviously this guy hasn't seen the contract that was sent to me! It was a total joke! I am a Realtor in the State of California...Hello! (the contracts I deal with are painfully detailed)My Errors and Omissions insurance is skyrocketing because of creeps like these people!!! I told Nathan Kenyon to send me a copy of the contract reiterating everything that was said so that I could sign on the dotted line, you should have seen the hilarious garbage that was faxed over to me! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA It was almost like a first grader had put it together. There was nothing; I repeat nothing in terms of the verbal promises that were talked about. Come on people we are talking about 8k here!!! Certainly you can come up with a legitimate contract with an area for both of us to sign on! I am telling you that this was the final clue for me that something didn't smell right. That is when I starting checking these people out! I am telling you these guys are so d**n slick. I don't work my biz this way so I guess I didn't spot this mentoring crap as BS but believe me I will be the Skeptical Inquirer from Now ON!!!
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#4 Consumer Suggestion

My Offer To Paul.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

Hey there Everyone,



I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.



PAUL: Ladies and gentlemen, it appears that the general concensus on this web-site is that big business is always the bad guy.



REID: Exactly, until that is, they are willing and able to prove the many complaints against them false, or to the contrary in some way shape or form.



Which for some reason they don't, but continue to have the audacity to "search" out complaints against them, and post retarded rebuttals, which have absolutely nothing to do with the complaints.



Life is very simple. When someone has a complaint regarding a business, the business is either able to prove it false and or to the contrary in some way, or they're not.



There's an old saying that reads "those that CAN do, those that CAN'T don't".



PAUL: I keep hearing about how these companies are a scam yet I also hear that the consumer got their money back.



REID: No one has ever received a refund without much resistance. At least the one hundred or so unacknowledged and unresolved complainants on this website alone haven't.



PAUL: If a company is willing to give somone a refund then how is it a scam?



REID: This is part of the scam (problem), this company does not "willingly" give refunds.



PAUL: I think that the most predominant problem with todays society is the false sense that 'get rich quick' actually exists.



REID: You are absolutely right Paul. Thank you for clearing this up. "get rich quick" does not exist, but yet you're trying to "convince" people that it does? Hell, if this statement is not contridictive, I don't know what is. LOL.



You've sumed up and solidified each and every point, which I've tried to make, through this one bone headed statement alone, while totally contridicting the purpose of your shill rebuttal.



PAUL: See, I happen to have some experience with companies like this and the one thing that people don't realize is that they actually may need to work for the rewards of having a successful business.



REID: Couldn't agree with you more here. Another important thing, that people fail to realize is that telephone "mentoring" does not exist.



See my previous postings for complete details.



Also read the many other complaints regarding fraudulent "mentoring" programs and you'll notice striking similarities in each and every victim's experience and you will soon start to realize, that "mentoring" programs are nothing but scams.



Sounds legitimate and lucrative in any sales pitch, but nothing but a bunch of empty promises peddled through false and very misleading pretences.



PAUL: Sure, the companies claim some big things, but as you all know, in order to claim something on an info-mercial it has to be verified.



REID: Verified by whom? LOL. This is the funniest $hit I've ever heard. I challenge you Paul, to list down exactly who it is, that's in charge of "verifying" the legitimacy of the many fraudulent infomercials.



Let's see, where do I begin? Misleading infomercials? Deceptive advertisements? Non disclosure of information? Hidden print? Fraudulent infomecials and erroneous sales pitches?



Unsubstantiated income claims? Many disclaimers buried deep within the fine print? Questionable testimonials?



Who ever's f%ck!ng job it is to "verify" infomercials, are doing a pretty lousy job to say the least. LMAO.



PAUL: So, we know that at least some people have made it work. I know, because I was on an infomercial once because I had made a system work. It wasn't this one, but I actually made it work.



REID: SUUUURE!! And myself along with a few friends, are responsible for the building of the pyramids in Egypt.



Hey Paul, did you know, that I'm the proud owner of an NFL franchise? Call me with your credit card handy, and I will "mentor" you on how you may become an owner as well.



PAUL: Did it take work? Of course!



REID: Not much. Contact me with your complete credit card information and I'll explain.



Please keep in mind, that I can not and will not guarantee and or stand behind my moneymaking program. As a matter of fact, I'm not even willing to guarantee, that what I'm "peddling" is legitimate.



PAUL: Did it take dedication? Of course!



REID: Contact me with your credit card info and let's see what your "available" credit may be.

From here, we'll be better able to determine what my "mentoring" progam will cost you.



I will "mentor" you in possibly owning your own professional footbal franchise. With my unproven "guruness" in the industry, you'll learn the cost of purchasing a franchise, and all other related expenses, including, but not limited to, player's salaries, maintenance, etc, etc.



Upon me receiving your credit card information, you'll have a "three day right to cancel" the transaction, in which I'll be ducking you. Fair enough?



PAUL: Did it happen overnight? No! Was it worth it? Every minute of it. All I'm saying is that some people need to look at who is at fault.



REID: I promise you Paul, that once I have received your money, that I will not return here to throw salt on your wounds.



My personal promise to you is, that I will not blame you for the reason of your failure. I still will not however, refund your money.



Hey, whose fault is it, that I sold you a bag of gold, but delivered a bag containing a pile of

$h!t?



PAUL: Ask yourself if you even gave it half the effort that you think you should have, if the company you dealt with is willing to give you your money back, is it really a scam? I guess this is just some food for thought.............



REID: It requires very little effort to implement my moneymaking strategies. Your minimal investment of whatever your credit card will allow, is effort enough, for my "guru" infomation, which I'll scrap up for you through a google search.



Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.
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#5 Consumer Suggestion

Mentoring Scam.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

Hey there Everyone,



I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.



WARNING: There's no such thing as legitimate telephone "mentoring" programs.



In order for someone to determine whether or not he or she is being taken by a fraudulent business, they must first understand the dynamics of the scam.



Fraudulent "mentoring" programs are quicky on the rise, due to the fact, that in theory sounds good and sounds as though it could be a legitimate and possibly very lucrative investment.



Fraudulent "mentoring" programs usually piggy back programs, that are peddled through infomercials, magazine advertisements, mail order, etc, etc.



Fraudulent "mentoring" programs are usually sold by third party marketing company's, which often have absolutely no affiliation which whom they claim to be affiliated with.



1. A successful person would have no reason or desire to mentor others to use the same strategies.



2. If a program was really as good as the self proclaimed "guru" or "mentor" claimed, why are there people stupid enough to sell the programs, as opposed to practicing the methods themselves?



3. Why are the costs of "mentoring" directly proportional to ones "available credit"?



4. Why do these companies find it usefull to tape record ones agreement to enroll, but none of their misleading, deceptive and fraudulent sales pitches?



That's bull$h!t! Legitimate businesses send out legal contracts, which discloses everything including the exact terms and conditions.



5. Why do "mentoring" programs offer no guarantees? For the stupid, I'm not referring to "income guarantees", but rather a "guarantee" that what's pitched and actually delivered is one of the same.



6. Why has a "mentor" never been willing and or able to come forward in the public eye, to defend the retarded "mentoring" concept?



Any and all legitimate businesses, that had nothing to hide, would definetly have come forward by now to acknowledge and rectify the many compaints against this fraudulent industry.



7. O.P.M., which fraudulent "mentoring" programs often refer to, actually means the victims money.



8. Mentoring scam companies are never able to prove complaints false or to the contrary, so instead send shills to submit favorable rebuttals on behalf of the company.



9. A three day "right to cancel" is just part of the scam and often used to make "mentoring" or a company's offer seem legit.



Soon after someone falls into the "mentoring" lure and trap scheme, he or she will immediately discover the true meaning of "run around".



This "run around" is just a stall tactic used as a means to delay and discourage victims from taking any action.



This "run around" is also used in hopes, that a victim's right to dispute the charge(s) expires.



There's much more to the "mentoring" scam than I wish to post in one sitting. I'll be back real soon to post more when time permits.



Until next time, take care cause I care Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.
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#6 Consumer Suggestion

Some Fresh Food For Thought.. These bogus "mentoring" programs are nothing but scams.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

Hey there Everyone,



I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.



These bogus "mentoring" programs are nothing but scams, and nothing but proof to the contrary as to why they're not, can and or will change this fact.



PAUL: Ladies and gentlemen, it appears that the general concensus on this web-site is that big business is always the bad guy.



REID: Well, fact of the matter is, that fraudulent businesses have only themselves to blame for their bad reputation.



As I've mentioned many times before, any and all legitimate businesses, that had nothing to hide, would definitely have come forward by now, to resolve the many reports against them.



PAUL: I keep hearing about how these companies are a scam yet I also hear that the consumer got their money back. If a company is willing to give somone a refund then how is it a scam?



REID: If Paul actually took the time to read and comprehend the many reports regarding "mentoring" scams, he would have discovered, that these fraudulent businesses have not "willingly" gave money back to consumers.



Had it been this easy for consumers to get their refunds, there would've been far fewer unacknowledged and unresolved complaints regarding the many "mentoring" scams.



Mentoring scams, like envelope stuffing, sounds good in theory, thus allows fraudulent businesses to trap unsuspecting victims into elaborate credit card schemes.



PAUL: I think that the most predominant problem with todays society is the false sense that 'get rich quick' actually exists.



REID: YOU THINK? Who's fault is this? Gee, maybe it's the fault of fraudulent scam companies, that spend millions of dollars shooting and airing misleading, and flat out fraudulent infomercials.



PAUL: See, I happen to have some experience with companies like this and the one thing that people don't realize is that they actually may need to work for the rewards of having a successful business.



REID: Yeah, we all believe you Paul! LOL. If you are certain, that these companies are legitimate, why are you not participating in one at the present time?



You see, it makes absolutely zero sense to sell programs (shovel s**t), which you yourself aren't practicing. Make sense?



PAUL: Sure, the companies claim some big things, but as you all know, in order to claim something on an info-mercial it has to be verified.



REID: This entire statement is bull$h!t. As a matter of fact, the majority of claims contained in infomercials are unsubstantiated.



Please, do us all a favor and list exactly which agencies you feel are responsible for "verifying" the many fraudulent claims, contained in the many fraudulent infomercials.



This would make it a lot easier for the many scam victims to collectively submit and gather complaints and finally start getting some results.



This would also make it easier for many to establish class action lawsuits, which would finally put an end to this ridiculous telephone "mentoring" scam.



The much fine (hidden) print, questionable testimonials, and many stipulations and "clauses" are only a few things, that proves this point.



Once again, any and all businesses, that were legitimate, and had nothing to hide, would definitely have no problem coming forward in the public eye to acknowledge and resolve these many reports against them.



A company's willingness and ability to acknowledge and resolve issues and consumer complaints out in the open, are the only solutions to prove the legitimacy of the business in question.



Everything else are nothing but lame excuses. I'm afraid, that Paul's rebuttal offers nothing but excuses and more unproven garbage. In short, full disclosure and nothing else is key!



PAUL: So, we know that at least some people have made it work. I know, because I was on an infomercial once because I had made a system work. It wasn't this one, but I actually made it work.



REID: Suuure you did! Would you mind pointing out for everyone, exactly what program made you successful? The name of the program please? Which one of the testimonials were you?



Why haven't your "mentor" come forward, in place of yourself, to defend his company? After all, these complaints pertain more to him, than anyone else in your company.



Why are you now shoveling $h!t for your company, as opposed to continuing to do what has made you successful? LOL. No one believes you Paul.



PAUL: Did it take work? Of course!



REID: This I believe. Scamming people takes much work.



PAUL: Did it take dedication? Of course!



REID: Yes, it took much dedication and heartache to finally get my refund from this obvious scam company.



PAUL: Did it happen overnight? No!



REID: Hell no! The fraudulent company dragged our dispute on for over nine months. They've literally begged my credit card company to have the charges reversed in their favor.



PAUL: Was it worth it?



REID: I guess so, for I am now able, through experience, to warn the general public about the "mentoring" scam, and how to detect the fraud from ever happening to them.



PAUL: Every minute of it. All I'm saying is that some people need to look at who is at fault.



REID: The fraudulent business of course. There's no such thing as telephone "mentoring". Self proclaimed "gurus" would have absolutely nothing to gain by sharing their "secrets" to wealth.



They're all f%ck!ng scams!



PAUL: Ask yourself if you even gave it half the effort that you think you should have, if the company you dealt with is willing to give you your money back, is it really a scam?



REID: Once again, no one "willingly" gave no one their money back. As for your question of whether or not it's really a scam, does a bear $h!t in the woods?



PAUL: I guess this is just some food for thought.............



REID: Rotten food. Your rebuttal was just a weak attempt to have people believe, that "mentoring" exists. After all, you work for a fraudulent company, and you're actually peddling this nonsense.



Telephone mentoring is the United State's comparable of the Nigerian scam.



Ever heard the "needle in the haystack" saying? Well, retardo rebuttals, that stick out like sore thumbs, are the same as a couple of shills sitting in a stadium full of smart people.



Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.
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hard work and commitment... appearantly non-existent

AUTHOR: Paul - (U.S.A.)

Ladies and gentlemen, it appears that the general concensus on this web-site is that big business is always the bad guy. I keep hearing about how these companies are a scam yet I also hear that the consumer got their money back. If a company is willing to give somone a refund then how is it a scam? I think that the most predominant problem with todays society is the false sense that 'get rich quick' actually exists. See, I happen to have some experience with companies like this and the one thing that people don't realize is that they actually may need to work for the rewards of having a successful business. Sure, the companies claim some big things, but as you all know, in order to claim something on an info-mercial it has to be verified. So, we know that at least some people have made it work. I know, because I was on an infomercial once because I had made a system work. It wasn't this one, but I actually made it work. Did it take work? Of course! Did it take dedication? Of course! Did it happen overnight? No! Was it worth it? Every minute of it. All I'm saying is that some people need to look at who is at fault. Ask yourself if you even gave it half the effort that you think you should have, if the company you dealt with is willing to give you your money back, is it really a scam? I guess this is just some food for thought............. Paul
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hard work and commitment... appearantly non-existent

AUTHOR: Paul - (U.S.A.)

Ladies and gentlemen, it appears that the general concensus on this web-site is that big business is always the bad guy. I keep hearing about how these companies are a scam yet I also hear that the consumer got their money back. If a company is willing to give somone a refund then how is it a scam? I think that the most predominant problem with todays society is the false sense that 'get rich quick' actually exists. See, I happen to have some experience with companies like this and the one thing that people don't realize is that they actually may need to work for the rewards of having a successful business. Sure, the companies claim some big things, but as you all know, in order to claim something on an info-mercial it has to be verified. So, we know that at least some people have made it work. I know, because I was on an infomercial once because I had made a system work. It wasn't this one, but I actually made it work. Did it take work? Of course! Did it take dedication? Of course! Did it happen overnight? No! Was it worth it? Every minute of it. All I'm saying is that some people need to look at who is at fault. Ask yourself if you even gave it half the effort that you think you should have, if the company you dealt with is willing to give you your money back, is it really a scam? I guess this is just some food for thought............. Paul
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#9 Consumer Comment

hard work and commitment... appearantly non-existent

AUTHOR: Paul - (U.S.A.)

Ladies and gentlemen, it appears that the general concensus on this web-site is that big business is always the bad guy. I keep hearing about how these companies are a scam yet I also hear that the consumer got their money back. If a company is willing to give somone a refund then how is it a scam? I think that the most predominant problem with todays society is the false sense that 'get rich quick' actually exists. See, I happen to have some experience with companies like this and the one thing that people don't realize is that they actually may need to work for the rewards of having a successful business. Sure, the companies claim some big things, but as you all know, in order to claim something on an info-mercial it has to be verified. So, we know that at least some people have made it work. I know, because I was on an infomercial once because I had made a system work. It wasn't this one, but I actually made it work. Did it take work? Of course! Did it take dedication? Of course! Did it happen overnight? No! Was it worth it? Every minute of it. All I'm saying is that some people need to look at who is at fault. Ask yourself if you even gave it half the effort that you think you should have, if the company you dealt with is willing to give you your money back, is it really a scam? I guess this is just some food for thought............. Paul
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hard work and commitment... appearantly non-existent

AUTHOR: Paul - (U.S.A.)

Ladies and gentlemen, it appears that the general concensus on this web-site is that big business is always the bad guy. I keep hearing about how these companies are a scam yet I also hear that the consumer got their money back. If a company is willing to give somone a refund then how is it a scam? I think that the most predominant problem with todays society is the false sense that 'get rich quick' actually exists. See, I happen to have some experience with companies like this and the one thing that people don't realize is that they actually may need to work for the rewards of having a successful business. Sure, the companies claim some big things, but as you all know, in order to claim something on an info-mercial it has to be verified. So, we know that at least some people have made it work. I know, because I was on an infomercial once because I had made a system work. It wasn't this one, but I actually made it work. Did it take work? Of course! Did it take dedication? Of course! Did it happen overnight? No! Was it worth it? Every minute of it. All I'm saying is that some people need to look at who is at fault. Ask yourself if you even gave it half the effort that you think you should have, if the company you dealt with is willing to give you your money back, is it really a scam? I guess this is just some food for thought............. Paul
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#11 Consumer Comment

PMI, Nathan Kenyon, Auctions for Income, Dave Espino, Bright Builders, Jim Cochran, Greg Cooper ..thanks to the creators of this website

AUTHOR: Kim - (U.S.A.)

First of all I want to thank the creators of this website. I too was almost duped but I found this website just in time! I am putting key words into the title so others can find these people that were intending to do harm and take my money! I sat incredulously when I read all of the posts. I can't believe how these people rob others and the smooth way they do it.



I fancy myself a very intelligent person but realize now that these guys prey on your dreams! They don't give a d**n about you...



I bought the Auctions for Income and thought I could get my own gig up and running all by myself. Well as soon as the kit hit my doorstep I was receiving calls from these smooth talking guys at PMI/Bright Builders whoever they are. ( I am still trying to get confirmation on their affiliation with one another!) They were promising all this stuff: websites, merchant accounts they claimed to have 12 warehouses that they drop ship from yada yada. The big cost was $8234 and I heard all the "others peoples money" thing and how they wanted to put it on my credit card. Geez towards the end I even got a discount and was offered to pay $8000. Well, thank goodness I was too busy that day and told this Nathan Kenyon guy that I had an appt to get to. (he had me on the phone for an hour and a half!) He must've thought he had himself a good one. (scary thing is he almost did!)



I decided to go online and searched the keywords above. Lo and behold I found this link and it was all over! My face turned bright red in embarrassment that I was almost conned! I had dreams of grandeur and realize that what my dad said is so true "Honey, if it seems too good to be true; it probably is!!"



Thank you to all of the posts...by the way I contacted Auctions for Income because I thought someone was selling my info to these coaching people (Bright Builders) as they were not affiliated with Dave Espino but when I called the phone number in the kit to warn the Auctions for income people, they said they weren't affiliated but then they went into the same ridiculous bait and switch question and answer session...it creeped me out and I got off of the phone!



Is Dave Espino in on all of this? Yikes, there are truly some greedy people in this world and a sucker born every minute. I was almost one of them!
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#12 Consumer Suggestion

It's nothing but a big scam!!

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

Howdy Folks, I hope that this message finds each and every one of you in good spirit. I am sorry for everyone who fell for this SICK SCAM, for I myself have done. This telephone mentoring service is fraudulent, in that it is sold under false pretences and blatant misrepresentation.



That's the reason why all the companies that offer the fraudulent non-exixtent services find it necessary to implement a NO REFUND POLICY in the first place. WARNING TO THE PUBLIC!!



DON'T FALL FOR THIS SCAM!! If you are the spear headed type that absolutely must order some kind of moneymaking progam of some kind, make sure you get a MONEYBACK GUARANTEE IN WRITTING AND SIGNED BY THE MANAGER AND OR OWNER OF THE COMPANY before you invest any money into their "mentoring", otherwise it is nothing but a trap as they will continue to pursue your money after you are on to their scam. Go back to the home page of this website and type in John Beck to read my story. Feel free to share my story with the media, and as many people as you possibly can, for I will do the same for anyone who needs my help.



This information must be spread like wildfire before these fraudulent companies scam more people. Refer as many people as you can to this website just as I do and make this you absolute favorite. We must all band together and make it are life mission to spread the word and protect our fellow man.



To those who are new to this website, DON'T EVER ALLOW FALSE REBUTTALS TO INFLUENCE YOUR DECISION TO INVEST MONEY IN A PROGRAM. THE ONLY REAL REBUTTALS ARE THOSE FROM COMPANIES THAT SATISFY ANY AND ALL CONSUMER COMPLAINTS IN SOME WAY SHAPE OR FORM. ANY OTHER REBUTTTALS ARE OBVIOUSLY POSTED BY AN INSIDER.



IF A COMPANY EVER TRIES TO JUSTIFY HAVING COMPALINTS BY SAYING RIDICULOUS THINGS LIKE "WE HAVE THE AN AVERAGE AND REASONABLE AMOUNT OF COMPLAINTS FOR A COMPANY OUR SIZE", DON'T FALL FOR IT. THAT IS THE MOST RETARDED THING I HAVE EVER HEARD.



IT IS TRUE THAT EVERY COMPANY RECEIVES COMPLAINTS, IT IS HOW THE COMPLAINTS ARE ADDRESSED AND RESOLVED THAT SEPARATES ALL LEGITIMATE BUSINESSES FROM FRAUDULENT AND CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES.



THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR BLOWING OFF ANY COMLAINT, BUT THESE FRAUDULENT COMPANIES BLOW OFF ALL COMPLAINTS. THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE ENGAGING IN FRAUDULENT AND UNETHICAL BUSINESS PRACTICES AND THEY KNOW IT.



UNTIL NEXT TIME, Take care, cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii & God Bless.



P.S. BEWARE OF JOHN BECK!! DON'T FORGET TO READ MY REPORT ON JOHN BECK. I LAY DOWN MY ENTIRE STORY FOR EVERYONE TO READ AND ALSO TO PROTECT EVERYONE ELSE FROM FALLING VICTIM TO THESE SCAMS.
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#13 Consumer Comment

P.M.I. professional (RIPOFF) Marketing International

AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)

I was contacted by P.M.I. while I was waiting (5wks) for the John Beck Free & Clear rags to riches infomercial program. They have this route of picking sitting ducks.



My wife & I took the bait, swallowed the hook ($5289.00) took one lesson and as soon as we finished that 'lesson' we called p.m.i. to cancel our contract.



when the hook was being set, p.m.i. asked if it was ok to record the ($5,289.00) contract and I said it was ok as long as they didn't mind if I recorded it too. They agreed and in the conversation I made them state that we had three days "after the first lesson" they reluctantly "said" that. I may be a sucker for a good thing, but I got a little smarts left.



It also took some deliberate time & focus with my credit card 'disputed charge' cust. service. I was not going to let them put one of my feathers in their hat. 45 days and all the three bogus charges = $5,289.00 were off my credit card.



We finally got John Beck's Free & Clear and asked the postmaster how come it took sooo long to get here? I pointed out that the business postmark was 7 weeks difference from when I received it. I had him send it back 'return' ripoff inc. & he gave me a receipt showing that it was WAY overdue. That was the ONLY thing that was free in this whole ripoff scam. They did refund the cash.



If it's too good to be true, it's probably a slick RIPOFF designed for good honest money hungry people like you and me. I'm a bit wiser and hope that none of you get caught in the SCAM.
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#14 Consumer Comment

To Shannon ..devulge the method by which PMI Coaching selects its pigeons....

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

Shannon:



Won't you do us all a favor and devulge the method by which PMI Coaching selects its pigeons....er, ah, I mean clients? By their own admission, there are far too many people suckered in by the Internet Treasure Chest to work with. So, tell us by what means do we morons become a targeted victim?



Oh, you can continue to stuff your fingers in your ears, hum loudly and pretend that everything's on the up and up, but the fact is your employer even drew the ire of the BBB of Utah - an organization they paid to become a member of. How bad is that?



PMI has and continues to have problems resolving issues regarding refunds, cancellation problems, deceptive practices (more commonly referred to as "lying", BTW) and even ignoring complaints that have been filed.



Face it, you'd best desert ship while you can. I can see a serious crossing with the federal Department of Justice looming in PMI's future.
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#15 Consumer Comment

To Shannon ..spew the corporate mantra all you like

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

Perhaps Shannon, you can explain how PMICoaching selects its "pigeons", I mean clients. After all, they do tell potential clients that they (interested parties) have been selected from scores of people ordering Internet Treasure Chest. I find this really curious. What sort of criteria is utilized for this "selection" process?



You can spew the corporate mantra all you like, Shannon. But, there's no getting around the fact that PMICoaching does *NOT* enjoy a good reputation with the Utah BBB due to reluctance in resolving refund issues, cancellation problems, and other similar complaints. Now, if membership to the BBB is purchased by each company in business, that's pretty bad when you've torked off the very service you've *BOUGHT* your way into.
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#16 Author of original report

Rebuttal to the Employee ..we did stick with the program!

AUTHOR: Tracey - (U.S.A.)

For your information, we did stick with the program. The PMI mentoring program was the big joke. Every phone session was exactly coordinated as the 3 day seminar I attended. Everything I learned in the seminar was being told to me again on the phone. I was being ripped off as far as I am concerned. I was expecting more for what I was paying for. As for the mortgage companies willing to work with us at a 100 % investment, forget about it. That was a special. At the time of the phone calls, apparently I called when the special was off. Talk to the Hand.
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#17 UPDATE Employee

What was purchased?????

AUTHOR: Shannon - ()

I am not sure why the Dibolls requested a refund. They worked with a consultant on several occasions and learned how to submit numerous offers on real estate propeties. They even had 5 mortgage companies that were willing to work with them at 100% n investment properties.



These are all things that we promised to help them on, and we did. They were only 5 weeks into a six month to 1 year program. It appears that maybe they learned what they wanted and decided that they just wanted their money back. Who knows.... They requested a refund in early August and had their money back at the end of August.



I do not think that they should have received their money back, but we are a company that strives to make every client happy. We even offered to give them extra consulting sessions and a written guarantee. I am not sure why their calls weren't returned.



According to phone company records, only a few calls were placed to PMI and all those were returned. It appears that no one was available for most of the calls so several messages were left. Derek even expressed to the mentor that he works 12 hour days and that we would just have to leave messages.



It's to bad that the Dibolls chose to get a refund instead of sticking with a program that actually works, and was working for them..........
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