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Complaint Review: Quixtar Amway
Quixtar Amway5101 Spaulding Plaza SE Ada, Michigan U.S.A.
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Every live event they had, they always emphasized 3 points:
1. You have to stick with it in order to win.
2. Winning meant you'd have both money and time to do practically anything you want.
3. In order to win you had to plug into the system, which means buy the tapes, books and attend all the live events your up line provided for your education. They also include the voice message systems that have to be the same as what your up line uses so you can get their messages. These are the "tools" I refer to in the remainder of my report.
I now understand why they emphasized the system so much. The wealth was actually built by selling the business support materials and services. Each individual business owner joins through an organization of up lines. The person who's grown the largest organization heads each of these. (E.g. In some posts people refer to Network 21 or ILD; I'm in Pronet Global headed by Hal Gooch).
These groups of IBO's are what are causing the problems, not Quixtar itself. Quixtar contributes by looking the other way as these organizations develop more substantial incomes from selling support materials than they receive from selling Quixtar products and growing their network to increase those sales.
I would suggest you look up Brig Hart and Kenneth Stewart under your favorite search engine. Because their tool income was severely diminished or curtailed, these men have sued their up line and sometimes down line.
Brig describes having 200,000 legs in his down line. (A leg is a family business unit, which could be an individual or two spouses. I'm not sure about unmarried couples). This means he was big. It also amazes me that he would walk away from that if it had been producing the money that Pronet Global promoters claimed. Yet he and others have.
It turns out that what I was told was that the overwhelming majority of the income these honchos get is from their Quixtar business, but they get a small contribution from the sales of tools. This is the inverse of what happens.
These folks talk in terms of multi-millions, but the largest check Quixtar cut last year or two years ago was about $1.5 million. That means they aren't making multiple millions from Quixtar. Which means they lie about what I can achieve from the business.
They present themselves as highly moral people, but if they are so moral why are they deceiving me, and thousands like me????
The problem with the tool business is that in addition to being downplayed, which is deceptive to those with smaller and no groups; it isn't formalized. Sometimes the honchos like one person in their group more than another. In a formal system they'd HAVE to pay in accordance to production based on strict rules.
Evidently, it's more informal, and sometimes these guys "reassign" the productivity or pay at a lower rate than they should. It isn't documented so they can do what they want, and get away with it.
Business has to be based on definitive rules, not whimsical rules that depend on moods or attitudes.
I thought I could use the business to set up my retirement, but now I find that what I have is something that might, with much more hard work than expressed, set up some reasonably decent income subject to the whims of my up line.
This isn't the business they told me it was!!
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