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*General Comment: why?
*UPDATE Employee: Rebuttal to #4 "why bother" ...
*UPDATE Employee: Settlement Agreement
*Consumer Comment: Why dont we just call a spade a spade here
*Consumer Comment: SEARCH?
*Consumer Comment: My help was not refused.
*General Comment: search effort
*General Comment: Nothing to hide here....
*General Comment: observer...
*General Comment: Lies and more lies
*Consumer Comment: Except you have yet to provide ANY proof
*General Comment: Credible sources....
*Consumer Comment: Nope, no vendetta, just responding to more baseless accusations
*General Comment: I am not blind...Just an FYI
*Consumer Comment: ?
*General Comment: Sounds like your the one with the Vendetta to ME
*Consumer Comment: Methinks Rate My Horse Pro doth Protest Too Much about this Report.
*Consumer Comment: Hole in YOUR logic
*General Comment: Hole in your logic
*Consumer Comment: Staunch supporter =/= Objective
*General Comment: re
*Consumer Comment: More mysterious claims and false accusations
*General Comment: Proof
*Consumer Comment: What Proof?
*Consumer Comment: Black and White Proof...
*General Comment: Really there are many sides to a story..?
*Consumer Comment: More fantasy, funny really
*General Comment: Bogus comments....
*Consumer Comment: Read the comments here
*General Comment: Really?? Netposse posted posters and kept how many people from ground searching??
*General Comment: Neff supporter admits to smear campaign against NetPosse
*Consumer Comment: More accusations with no proof provided
*General Comment: Who were the sources?
*Consumer Comment: He's not a horse lover, he just plays one on video.
*Consumer Comment: Your research did not include talking to Leland Neff.
*Consumer Comment: This is a vendetta
*General Comment: I can do my own thinking...
*Consumer Comment: DAMAGE DONE!
*Consumer Comment: Actually they did bring it up again.
*General Comment: RMHP
*Consumer Comment: Clearly you don't know what you are talking about
*Consumer Comment: Imagine his loss
*Consumer Comment: No Vendetta, but the Truth
*General Comment: 22 horses
*Consumer Comment: Vendetta
*Consumer Comment: Yes it is Unfortunate.
*General Comment: re:
*General Comment: Some clarification and corections....
*Consumer Comment: Facts - Not Facts
*General Comment: Facts
*Consumer Comment: Thank you Rip Off Report!
*Consumer Comment: I searched with Leland and can verify his entire story.
*Consumer Comment: Who is the one slandering here?
*General Comment: Leland Neff 22 Horses Lost
*General Comment: Skewed Journalism
*UPDATE Employee: Leland Neff Comes Clean: A Work of Art
*Consumer Comment: RATE MY HORSE PRO NEEDS TO BE SHUT DOWN
*Consumer Comment: The irony and the hypocrisy
*Consumer Comment: Nice try, Cristina.
*General Comment: Check the Facts as RMHP did.
*Author of original report: why bother
*Consumer Comment: Rate My Horse Pro is vindictive and mean to consumers
*Author of original report: wrong person.....
*UPDATE Employee: Horse Trainer Cristina Kirk
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Rate my horse Pro has declared themselves the watchdog of the equine world. Keeping a data base where people pay 5 dollars (they say it is to verfiy your identity) Once signed up you can rate horse trainers, vets etc.... The sad part is that while they spend all this time to check you our, they fail to fact check if what you are posting is correct. This can and will damage the reputations of trainers. My personal story with them is not uncommon as others have had like problems. I was involved with a lawsuit that I filed againist a former client of mine. This client or one of her friends went and rated me in a negative fashion. Even after an email from my lawyer and being given a copy of the lawsuit, Lucia refused to remove the ranking. I have a negative ranking on services I dont even provide!!!! However when a client attempted to post a positive ranking that was removed. I have tried several times to get an answer on how they intend to protect the reputations of people and have yet to get any answer. Because the answer is they cant unless they fact check everything. A website of this nature is a lawsuit waiting to happen. This site has repeatedly dug up dirt on people and posted it all over the internet without checking the facts. They also will disregard the truth. For example, if a vet attempts to defend his client after Rate my Horse Pro has been calling someone an animal abuser they will simply delete the parts of the thread that speak the truth, then block the person leaving only false statements. In an industry where your reputation is everything this site has proven itself to be nothing more then an online tabloid directed at equine pro's while promoting themselves as a website that seeks to find intergerty in the equine world. Its a joke and I really want to know where all those 5 dollar fee's are going...
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why?
AUTHOR: kelli - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, March 18, 2012
Why are you bringing up Cristina again? To be honest that girl has more class then anyone. Not a peep from her in months and you bring it back up????? What are you hiding? And FYI Jan Kiblinger violated a key part in the settlement. If i where the crooks that Helped that witch I would be worried as Cristina has the right to reopen the whole thing and I hope she does. The people involved got off way to easy after all they put her through.
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Rebuttal to #4 "why bother" ...
AUTHOR: Wild - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, March 18, 2012
The following statement is THE ONLY statement that is to be posted in any public place regarding the author of #4 "why bother's" comments: C Kirk, J Kiblinger, and F Sharp have been involved in a dispute about the ownership of certain horses or other property. That dispute is now resolved. During the pendency of the dispute, each of these parties or associates of the parties have posted information and opinions on the internet which may or may not be objective, or factually or legally accurate. As you read various information about each of these people and their services on the internet, please bear in mind that some of the material you read may have been posted in the context of this dispute.
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What's this? #3 UPDATE Employee
Settlement Agreement
AUTHOR: Wild - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, March 18, 2012
Per the Settlement Agreement regarding "the lawsuit":
C. Kirk, J. Kiblinger, and F. Sharp have been involved in a dispute about the ownership of certain horses or other property. That dispute is now resolved. During the pendency of the dispute, each of these parties or associates of the
parties have posted information and opinions on the internet which may or may not be objective, or factually or legally accurate. As you read various information about each of these people and their services on the internet,
please bear in mind that some of the material you read may have been posted in the context of this dispute.
C. Kirk, J. Kiblinger, and F. Sharp have been involved in a dispute about the ownership of certain horses or other property. That dispute is now resolved. During the pendency of the dispute, each of these parties or associates of the
parties have posted information and opinions on the internet which may or may not be objective, or factually or legally accurate. As you read various information about each of these people and their services on the internet,
please bear in mind that some of the material you read may have been posted in the context of this dispute.
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What's this? #4 Consumer Comment
Why dont we just call a spade a spade here
AUTHOR: Carol - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, February 09, 2012
This thread has gone way off topic.... been following this and doing some research. This site trashes all kinds of people. Not just Mr nuff. They suck, they enjoy drama, they enjoy showing tragic death. (case in point the Hickstead clip) They in no way add anything postive to the equine word and industry. Bickering over them just gives them more of what they want, drama. They are nothing more then a cheap gossip website. Having personally done bussiness with Net Posse I can tell you they are no better. They too enjoying playing god. But whatever. They should change their names to express what they REALLY do and be done with it. If they stopped hiding behind the falsehood of doing good at least we would know how to take them. Until they do, which they wont, we are all left to sort thru the crap they leave behind. Enough already. Like a school yard bully there are two ways to handle them. Ignore them or beat the hell out of them. Since at least most of us are grownups here, I believe we have no choice but to ignore them until they piss off the wrong person with enough money and they get sued. I pray for that day!
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What's this? #5 Consumer Comment
SEARCH?
AUTHOR: gingergirl - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Wednesday, February 08, 2012
You say you organized a 25 person search on Labor Day weekend? With whom? Who were these 25 people, where were they from? Was it organized with the flood horse page? Certainly all the people that wanted to go "search" were not contacted for this search. WHY is that?
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What's this? #6 Consumer Comment
My help was not refused.
AUTHOR: Ratemyhorseproisgarbage - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, February 05, 2012
After being burned first by the people who took his ponies off his land and tried to charge him for 3 days board and other expenses, then a search organization that turned all the real offers of help away and wouldn't even take the time to get details of the flyers right, and then by the admins of the facebook page who deleted all his posts, he would have been foolish not to be careful. When I showed up and he could see I was genuine, my help was gladly accepted along with the others in our search groups. He has been nothing but kind and gracious to us despite the tragic circumstances. The difference is we went to his farm and offered him the kind of help he had been looking for from the beginning, without any agendas. If he had turned me away for whatever reason, though, it wouldn't have bothered me a bit, because unlike all the other ghouls who attached themselves and their egos to him, I wasn't after any personal gain. It was pretty amazing to watch people whine about how bruised their egos were because this poor man who lost so much wasn't considerate enough about their feelings... Little did we know that they would take their hurt feelings off and start this hate campaign and try to ruin him completely... what kind of person does that?? And what kind of organization enables them? (HmCOUGHratemyhorsepro).
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What's this? #7 General Comment
search effort
AUTHOR: questions - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, February 05, 2012
All I know about the entire Neff farce is that I had organized 25 local horsemen to search on labor day weekend by horseback and by atv. After getting this scheduled and ready to search I was personally contacted by Mr.Neff refusing the search efforts. I am not affiliated with any of the individuals that were or have been searching just a local horseman who wanted to help someone whose situation I would not want to find myself in. It was after refusing our search that I started to research Mr.Neff and I now realize what a fraud he is. His followers need to open their eyes. there was more help offered than they realize.
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What's this? #8 General Comment
Nothing to hide here....
AUTHOR: Twenty Two Angels - (Canada)
SUBMITTED: Saturday, February 04, 2012
You certainly spend a LOT of time trolling on Mr. Neffs page for somebody that is not a supporter of his efforts. What interest does it hold for you? Why wont OBSERVER answer questions?
You claim there are pictures of the barn, but fail to provide them. You claim there are numerous other witnesses, but fail to provide them. You claim people are posting under aliases but fail to provide proof. You claim Gene Hansen has committed crimes but fail to provide proof. You claim that Debbie Hanson and Michelle Schmoll and Debbi Metcalfe are best friends yet fail to provide proof. You claim a lot of things and fail to provide any proof. But worst of all, you again make false accusations and create fantasies.
The witnesses I mention have repeatedly attempted to post on the RMHP article on facebook. You seem to spend a lot of time reading the Flood Horse Page...just pick one. they are not hiding.
Lucia Carroll IS an alias for Debbie Hanson. She uses pictures of Debbies daughter Andi on her banner pics for her profile (screen captured incase she edits tonight) and Lucia Carroll is a combination of Debbies grandmothers name and the county her family homestead is in (Carroll County). Yes, Debbie, Michele and Debbi are linked publically. RMHP and Netposse have been singing each others praises far and wide for some time and are officially `partnered. Debbie and Michele are quite cozy as well.notice the comments under the linked picture of Debbie Hanson aka Lucia Carroll and Michele Schmoll.
I dont believe anybody called Gene Hansen a criminal, but suggested his ethics and business practices were in question. That is readily available with a google search. Getting your investment firms license revoked for being shadey is pretty telling. BTW. I just posted a sampling because, although his divorce court papers are online, it really doesnt have much to do with Debbie Hansen using his farms facebook page and name to slander people. Im not even sure hes aware of it, but he will be.
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/aljdec/id149bpm.htm
http://articles.dailypress.com/1999-09-30/news/9909300059_1_sec-seaboard-investment-advisers-investment-performance
BTW, I do see on the Leland Neff Flood Horses page the following post with a link to this page on RipOff Report: https://www.facebook.com/groups/FloodHorseVolunteers/245843208824612/ and members licking their lips with glee at the chance to bash Rate My Horse Pro. So, I think your vendetta is pretty plain to see now.
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Kelly Riebel Free Site!! January 25 at 9:35pm
Karen Opalka ok, this is good! next steps advice????? January 26 at 5:36am
Patti Henker I don't think this is anything other than a link and there are no `steps'. It just shows that RMHP has its detractors too. They aren't the bible of the horse world nor is their opinion any more valid than anybody else's. They just happen to yell the loudest and promote the hardest. Hopefully, some people that actually know the truth of what has happened and the sequence of events will see fit to add to this. January 27 at 1:06pm
I dont see any vendetta here beyond Mr. Neffs supporters finding out that RMHP is not the be all and end all of anything. One of them clearly states that there are `no steps to take and it is info only. However, have you contacted any of the three ladies that commented on this? Maybe they could give you some input on the facts relating to Mr. Neffs situation.
And this right here: "`Observer aka RMHP here", negates everything you say. This is clearly the fantasy of someone who enjoys conspiracy theories. I am not, nor ever have been "RMHP". I do not own the site, though I have been on it and understand what they are doing for the horse world, and I wish them luck. The horse world *definitely* needs a resource like this.
Well `Observer, in your earlier post, you mentioned Anne MacCuish. That hasnt been a name that has been mentioned publically in many places. So, you clearly have inside information as to where RMHPs sources originated from as the regular person attempting to sift through all of this would not have had her name. You have also been very insistent that RMHP spoke to Mr. Neff directly, yet if you are not affiliated with them, you have no way to actually prove this or what was said. Ive been in the `horse world all my life and we have managed to make out just fine without having an internet tabloid seeking to destroy people for $5 a pop. If I want to know information on a equine professional or somebody I'm thinking of doing business with, I will contact trusted sources and other professionals. Not a bunch of embittered housewives with axes to grind. What are RMHP's credentials?
I do hope whomever comes upon this thread will be able to separate fact from fiction. There is a lot fantasy here, and when challenged on it, the people who have done the accusing have failed provide anything. Their "staunch support" would almost be admirable if it wasn't so misguided.
I hope whomever stumbles upon this thread can separate fact from fiction too. You have not yet answered a single question with anything other than more accusations and denials. Every question and accusation you have hurled out there, has been methodically answered with as much proof as this website enables one to post.
And just incase you still have questions....I will include a picture of Mr. Neff's restored barn. You really do need to check your` sources' more carefully....
You claim there are pictures of the barn, but fail to provide them. You claim there are numerous other witnesses, but fail to provide them. You claim people are posting under aliases but fail to provide proof. You claim Gene Hansen has committed crimes but fail to provide proof. You claim that Debbie Hanson and Michelle Schmoll and Debbi Metcalfe are best friends yet fail to provide proof. You claim a lot of things and fail to provide any proof. But worst of all, you again make false accusations and create fantasies.
The witnesses I mention have repeatedly attempted to post on the RMHP article on facebook. You seem to spend a lot of time reading the Flood Horse Page...just pick one. they are not hiding.
Lucia Carroll IS an alias for Debbie Hanson. She uses pictures of Debbies daughter Andi on her banner pics for her profile (screen captured incase she edits tonight) and Lucia Carroll is a combination of Debbies grandmothers name and the county her family homestead is in (Carroll County). Yes, Debbie, Michele and Debbi are linked publically. RMHP and Netposse have been singing each others praises far and wide for some time and are officially `partnered. Debbie and Michele are quite cozy as well.notice the comments under the linked picture of Debbie Hanson aka Lucia Carroll and Michele Schmoll.
I dont believe anybody called Gene Hansen a criminal, but suggested his ethics and business practices were in question. That is readily available with a google search. Getting your investment firms license revoked for being shadey is pretty telling. BTW. I just posted a sampling because, although his divorce court papers are online, it really doesnt have much to do with Debbie Hansen using his farms facebook page and name to slander people. Im not even sure hes aware of it, but he will be.
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/aljdec/id149bpm.htm
http://articles.dailypress.com/1999-09-30/news/9909300059_1_sec-seaboard-investment-advisers-investment-performance
BTW, I do see on the Leland Neff Flood Horses page the following post with a link to this page on RipOff Report: https://www.facebook.com/groups/FloodHorseVolunteers/245843208824612/ and members licking their lips with glee at the chance to bash Rate My Horse Pro. So, I think your vendetta is pretty plain to see now.
Copied from the thread in case the post happens to "disappear" now:
Kelly Riebel Free Site!! January 25 at 9:35pm
Karen Opalka ok, this is good! next steps advice????? January 26 at 5:36am
Patti Henker I don't think this is anything other than a link and there are no `steps'. It just shows that RMHP has its detractors too. They aren't the bible of the horse world nor is their opinion any more valid than anybody else's. They just happen to yell the loudest and promote the hardest. Hopefully, some people that actually know the truth of what has happened and the sequence of events will see fit to add to this. January 27 at 1:06pm
I dont see any vendetta here beyond Mr. Neffs supporters finding out that RMHP is not the be all and end all of anything. One of them clearly states that there are `no steps to take and it is info only. However, have you contacted any of the three ladies that commented on this? Maybe they could give you some input on the facts relating to Mr. Neffs situation.
And this right here: "`Observer aka RMHP here", negates everything you say. This is clearly the fantasy of someone who enjoys conspiracy theories. I am not, nor ever have been "RMHP". I do not own the site, though I have been on it and understand what they are doing for the horse world, and I wish them luck. The horse world *definitely* needs a resource like this.
Well `Observer, in your earlier post, you mentioned Anne MacCuish. That hasnt been a name that has been mentioned publically in many places. So, you clearly have inside information as to where RMHPs sources originated from as the regular person attempting to sift through all of this would not have had her name. You have also been very insistent that RMHP spoke to Mr. Neff directly, yet if you are not affiliated with them, you have no way to actually prove this or what was said. Ive been in the `horse world all my life and we have managed to make out just fine without having an internet tabloid seeking to destroy people for $5 a pop. If I want to know information on a equine professional or somebody I'm thinking of doing business with, I will contact trusted sources and other professionals. Not a bunch of embittered housewives with axes to grind. What are RMHP's credentials?
I do hope whomever comes upon this thread will be able to separate fact from fiction. There is a lot fantasy here, and when challenged on it, the people who have done the accusing have failed provide anything. Their "staunch support" would almost be admirable if it wasn't so misguided.
I hope whomever stumbles upon this thread can separate fact from fiction too. You have not yet answered a single question with anything other than more accusations and denials. Every question and accusation you have hurled out there, has been methodically answered with as much proof as this website enables one to post.
And just incase you still have questions....I will include a picture of Mr. Neff's restored barn. You really do need to check your` sources' more carefully....
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What's this? #9 General Comment
observer...
AUTHOR: Truth for 22 - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Saturday, February 04, 2012
Seems the simplest way to address your accusations is to break things down. It seems strange to me that many of Mr. Neffs supporters have attempted to answer the questions posed here factually and truthfully, yet RMHP or Observer or whatever other alias is at play here, have yet to answer a single question or back anything up with facts other than what RMHP printed. Maybe RMHP is the one with something to hide. Horse Pro DID talk to Neff. And he hung up on them. Why would he do that? How many other people besides Neff did the people bashing Rate My Horse Pro interview? Did they interview law enforcement officials? District attorneys? Emergency personnel? Other volunteers? Has anyone talked to Schoharie County Animal Response Team Coordinator Anne MacCuish? What about his threat to burn a neighbor out? Those are court documents that are available to the public. Until YOU interview everyone, you only have his side of the story and hardly the complete picture.Rate My Yes, the ground volunteers had the pleasure of meeting many of the locals and other volunteers. There have been numerous emails exchanged between some of your sources and supporters. Anne MacCuish would be the county official, that rather than find out the information that Mr. Neff requested, decided to breach confidentiality and speak to the media. I have a screen capture of her publically thanking Michele Schmoll for her efforts, so safe to assume, she was another source fed by Michele Schmoll. Again, she NEVER called Mr. Neff back when he attempted to do the right thing and report the discovery of deceased animals. Instead, she went public and slandered him. And why would anyone trust his videos? Certainly he's not going to broadcast anything unflattering about himself. What does he have to say about the photos of the clearly undernourished horse that is posted on the Rate My Horse Pro site? Or the photo of the (dearly loved, I'm sure) foal that has the halter growing into its face?Are you really suggesting his videos were tampered with? Really? His videos were CURRENT. Some were as current as just a few days before the flood swept them away. The pictures you used of the mare and foals were several years old. The few pictures that RMHP posted, were actually part of a series of 2000 pictures that were taken over 2 days at his farm and the mare in question was Dias. Dias is also the horse featured in several riding pictures of Mr. Neff and the dam of his beloved herd sire. He had her for over 10 years and she was an interregnal part of his life. She was under veterinary care and being treated at the time of the pictures. He loved her as his own child and there is no way he would not have pulled out all stops to care for her. The foals did NOT have halters grown into their faces, but had rub marks. The halters had rubbed off the baby hair and exposed the final coat underneath. I have raised more foals than I can count and I will tell you that their `undercoats are often darker than their baby hair. There are pictures of these same foals as grown horses with NO deformities or indentations from a halter on their heads. Not ideal for a halter rub on a face, but can any horse person say they have never made a mistake and learned from it? Can anybody provide current pictures of the same thing? What about the piles of debris on his property that reeked of death and had hooves sticking out of them? Why didn't he report them right away? There are certainly *a lot* of unanswered questions from Mr. Neff. And none that his supporters seem to have an answer for either.Yes, what about that debris? He reported the horses as soon as he found their remains. Many of the debris piles were not readily accessible until weeks after the flood, as waters receded. His primary concern was finding live horses as he knew that if there were horses alive, they were very likely injured and babies may be separated from their mothers. Since, Michele Schmoll, Kim and Joe French and Kim Tudor pretty much blocked any help from going to the site by saying the roads were not passable and it was extremely dangerous, Mr. Neff searched alone, bareback on his pony, for weeks by himself. It should also be noted that one of RMHPs sources that claimed to have searched, had a dog he claims to be `almost certified for search and rescue work with him. That same dog walked right on by those debris piles without ever pausing or alerting to the remains that were later found there. I have actually been following this story for quite some time, and back in August, Neff was giving away a paint horse stallion for free to any home (didn't even have to be a good one) on Facebook. He nastily claimed the horse was no good for anything but the slaughter plant. And his friends and supporters were joking that the horse should be made into glue. That does NOT sound like a man who loves horses to me. http://fuglyblog.com/2010/08/29/lamebook-equine-edition/Clearly reading comprehension is not a strong suit for you. The very date stamp on your link will tell you that the conversation about the paint stallion was from 2010,not just last year as you claim. It was a PRIVATE conversation from his personal facebook page where he was expressing his frustration after breaking his nose. He no more wanted to give that horse away or kill him, than he was about to sprout wings and fly. The horse you mention was a rescue of Mr. Neffs. He was a premarin foal that Mr. Neff has loved and cherished since the day he rescued him. That horse was not involved in the flood and still lives with Mr. Neff. He was riding him just last week. His comment on the horse were taken out of context and not surprisingly as sarcasm is never understood by the intellectually challenged. The operative word in your own statement was `JOKING, which is what was clearly going on, on Mr. Neffs facebook page. I have campaigned against slaughter for YEARS and if I had thought for one second he was serious, I would have cut ties to Mr. Neff back in 2010. However, knowing how much he loves all his animals is what made his statements so absurd and funny at the time. One of the search volunteers that had never met Mr. Neff prior to this tragedy, made a comment about the obvious love and compassion between him and this stallion and that the horse follows him around like a puppy dog. After the fugly report, he received many calls offering to take the horse, but refused all offers. Sometimes those horses that began being the most difficult ones to get through to, end up being the most bonded to us. They just make you work harder for their affections. Not really so uncommon for any rescued animal.
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What's this? #10 General Comment
Lies and more lies
AUTHOR: picasso831 - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Saturday, February 04, 2012
You are almost funny Observer but...NOT! It has been easy to kick someone when they were down, that is what your site has been all about. It is easy to see that you are still stuck on that crazy fugly site still!!!
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What's this? #11 Consumer Comment
Except you have yet to provide ANY proof
AUTHOR: An Observer - (USA)
SUBMITTED: Saturday, February 04, 2012
You claim there are pictures of the barn, but fail to provide them. You claim there are numerous other witnesses, but fail to provide them. You claim people are posting under aliases but fail to provide proof. You claim Gene Hansen has committed crimes but fail to provide proof. You claim that Debbie Hanson and Michelle Schmoll and Debbi Metcalfe are best friends yet fail to provide proof. You claim a lot of things and fail to provide any proof. But worst of all, you again make false accusations and create fantasies.
BTW, I do see on the Leland Neff Flood Horses page the following post with a link to this page on RipOff Report: https://www.facebook.com/groups/FloodHorseVolunteers/245843208824612/ and members licking their lips with glee at the chance to bash Rate My Horse Pro. So, I think your vendetta is pretty plain to see now.
Copied from the thread in case the post happens to "disappear" now:
Kelly Riebel Free Site!! January 25 at 9:35pm
Karen Opalka ok, this is good! next steps advice??????????? January 26 at 5:36am
Patti Henker I don't think this is anything other than a link and there are no `steps'. It just shows that RMHP has its detractors too. They aren't the bible of the horse world nor is their opinion any more valid than anybody else's. They just happen to yell the loudest and promote the hardest. Hopefully, some people that actually know the truth of what has happened and the sequence of events will see fit to add to this. January 27 at 1:06pm
And this right here: "`Observer aka RMHP here", negates everything you say. This is clearly the fantasy of someone who enjoys conspiracy theories. I am not, nor ever have been "RMHP". I do not own the site, though I have been on it and understand what they are doing for the horse world, and I wish them luck. The horse world *definitely* needs a resource like this.
I do hope whomever comes upon this thread will be able to separate fact from fiction. There is a lot fantasy here, and when challenged on it, the people who have done the accusing have failed provide anything. Their "staunch support" would almost be admirable if it wasn't so misguided.
BTW, I do see on the Leland Neff Flood Horses page the following post with a link to this page on RipOff Report: https://www.facebook.com/groups/FloodHorseVolunteers/245843208824612/ and members licking their lips with glee at the chance to bash Rate My Horse Pro. So, I think your vendetta is pretty plain to see now.
Copied from the thread in case the post happens to "disappear" now:
Kelly Riebel Free Site!! January 25 at 9:35pm
Karen Opalka ok, this is good! next steps advice??????????? January 26 at 5:36am
Patti Henker I don't think this is anything other than a link and there are no `steps'. It just shows that RMHP has its detractors too. They aren't the bible of the horse world nor is their opinion any more valid than anybody else's. They just happen to yell the loudest and promote the hardest. Hopefully, some people that actually know the truth of what has happened and the sequence of events will see fit to add to this. January 27 at 1:06pm
And this right here: "`Observer aka RMHP here", negates everything you say. This is clearly the fantasy of someone who enjoys conspiracy theories. I am not, nor ever have been "RMHP". I do not own the site, though I have been on it and understand what they are doing for the horse world, and I wish them luck. The horse world *definitely* needs a resource like this.
I do hope whomever comes upon this thread will be able to separate fact from fiction. There is a lot fantasy here, and when challenged on it, the people who have done the accusing have failed provide anything. Their "staunch support" would almost be admirable if it wasn't so misguided.
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What's this? #12 General Comment
Credible sources....
AUTHOR: Twenty Two Angels - (Canada)
SUBMITTED: Saturday, February 04, 2012
RMHP did speak to Mr. Neff, that has never been in dispute. However, when they spoke to him, they failed to identify who they were or why they were calling. They fired off a bunch of accusatory questions and refused to answer Mr. Neff when he asked the direction and purpose of their call. When they refused to answer his questions, he hung up on them, which anybody else, that has emotions, would most likely do under the same circumstances. RMHP had already spoken to the sources provided by Michele Schmoll. Sources that were far from objective as they were a neighbor who had not only stolen his hay crop, but harbors resentment towards Mr. Neff as an outsider who bought the land he felt should be his. The other `source was a farrier by the name of Tessier, and I use that term very loosely, that Mr. Neff elected to not hire after sub-standard work and an attempt to over-charge to the tune of putting him on a schedule for a ridiculous and exorbitant sum. The same farrier that is kin to other `rescuers that could only manage to rescue the horses that were never in the flood and abscond with them. This would be the same `source that also provided the information that Mr. Neff received a grant to restore his historical barn, but it was still in disrepair. Of course this information has since been proven completely false as many pictures of the barns restoration progress had been posted long before the flood. (this building was not involved in the flood). Not to mention the barn was inspected and passed with flying colors after the initial work was completed. Work that included, redoing the stonework along with maintaining the integrity of the original architecture. So, we have now established at least one of those `sources that RMHP used as an outright liar. The other source has been established as a thief.
Also important was the timing of RMHPs call to Mr. Neff. It came immediately after discovering the first of his deceased animals. In his grief, he had attempted to do the right thing by contacting the authorities and asking how to go about reporting the discovery. The woman whom he spoke to (names can and will be provided), said she would get back to him. The call from RMHP came as he was waiting to hear back. It bares noting that Mr. Neffs hostile neighbor has several close family ties to the local authorities. `Observer aka RMHP here states he had no problem talking to other news sources. Perhaps that is because this was BEFORE the RMHP trash piece came out and these reporters identified themselves and asked him for his version of events. Unlike RMHP that came to him with their piece already written and were looking to `hang him on something. Strange that you accuse other legitimate and published news sources of writing lopsided articles, yet they were clearly onsite of this tragedy as the news footage and photographs they published would suggest. So as eyewitnesses to the situation at Mr. Neffs farm, they wrote an article that was vastly different to RMHP that has not even set foot in the state of NY during this entire time. The best RMHP could come up with was the publishing of pictures that were several years old, once again out of context. One sick animal amongst a herd of over 20, does not indicate neglect. It indicates a sick animal that was under treatment at the time the picture was taken. There has also been a veterinarian present at Mr. Neffs farm many times since the flood and has attested that his remaining animals are well loved and cared for. Again, the source of the pictures that RMHP used in their article is very telling. These were taken and submitted by a person with a history with Mr. Neff and an axe to grind. To recap so far, four of the main `sources for RMHPs article were a liar, a thief , a woman scorned and her daughter.
Lastly, just because you have labeled your `sources as `objective people who have weighed in, does not make this any more true than the lies you have spread about Mr. Neff. Many people that were present at Mr. Neffs farm and know him personally have offered to speak to you and give you their version of events. You have refused any of these offers as they would most likely prove your original article nothing short of malicious fiction designed to inflame a tragic situation for the sake of your ratings and publicity. RMHP has deleted their posts and banned them from posting any information that discredits their story. Stange, how we have provided factual details and the only `defense given is `thats not what the article said and, basically, `I know you are, but what am I? kind of reasoning. Every statement I have made here is factual and able to be backed up with proof and eye witness accounts. Can RMHP say the same?
Also important was the timing of RMHPs call to Mr. Neff. It came immediately after discovering the first of his deceased animals. In his grief, he had attempted to do the right thing by contacting the authorities and asking how to go about reporting the discovery. The woman whom he spoke to (names can and will be provided), said she would get back to him. The call from RMHP came as he was waiting to hear back. It bares noting that Mr. Neffs hostile neighbor has several close family ties to the local authorities. `Observer aka RMHP here states he had no problem talking to other news sources. Perhaps that is because this was BEFORE the RMHP trash piece came out and these reporters identified themselves and asked him for his version of events. Unlike RMHP that came to him with their piece already written and were looking to `hang him on something. Strange that you accuse other legitimate and published news sources of writing lopsided articles, yet they were clearly onsite of this tragedy as the news footage and photographs they published would suggest. So as eyewitnesses to the situation at Mr. Neffs farm, they wrote an article that was vastly different to RMHP that has not even set foot in the state of NY during this entire time. The best RMHP could come up with was the publishing of pictures that were several years old, once again out of context. One sick animal amongst a herd of over 20, does not indicate neglect. It indicates a sick animal that was under treatment at the time the picture was taken. There has also been a veterinarian present at Mr. Neffs farm many times since the flood and has attested that his remaining animals are well loved and cared for. Again, the source of the pictures that RMHP used in their article is very telling. These were taken and submitted by a person with a history with Mr. Neff and an axe to grind. To recap so far, four of the main `sources for RMHPs article were a liar, a thief , a woman scorned and her daughter.
Lastly, just because you have labeled your `sources as `objective people who have weighed in, does not make this any more true than the lies you have spread about Mr. Neff. Many people that were present at Mr. Neffs farm and know him personally have offered to speak to you and give you their version of events. You have refused any of these offers as they would most likely prove your original article nothing short of malicious fiction designed to inflame a tragic situation for the sake of your ratings and publicity. RMHP has deleted their posts and banned them from posting any information that discredits their story. Stange, how we have provided factual details and the only `defense given is `thats not what the article said and, basically, `I know you are, but what am I? kind of reasoning. Every statement I have made here is factual and able to be backed up with proof and eye witness accounts. Can RMHP say the same?
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What's this? #13 Consumer Comment
Nope, no vendetta, just responding to more baseless accusations
AUTHOR: An Observer - (USA)
SUBMITTED: Saturday, February 04, 2012
Is the horse still free to *any* home - doesn't have to be a good one? And if the stallion is so nasty and vicious, has he gelded it yet? Why would any responsible horse owner keep a horse a stallion if it has a nasty temperament? And *then* try to give it away to any unsuspecting person?
Did Neff file a retraction for any of the nasty things he's said about people who have helped him? Nope, I think not. But I do see he is trying to promote his art now in the group that was supposed to be designated for finding his horses.
Why do you keep saying "your site"? You think that anyone who might defend RMHP has to be the owner of the site or something? Pretty funny that you think that, actually. You people are quite creative. :D
Did Neff file a retraction for any of the nasty things he's said about people who have helped him? Nope, I think not. But I do see he is trying to promote his art now in the group that was supposed to be designated for finding his horses.
Why do you keep saying "your site"? You think that anyone who might defend RMHP has to be the owner of the site or something? Pretty funny that you think that, actually. You people are quite creative. :D
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What's this? #14 General Comment
I am not blind...Just an FYI
AUTHOR: picasso831 - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Saturday, February 04, 2012
Interesting that you bring up fugly? Wonder why? Vendetta maybe?
Hitching wagons.....and still do not know Mr. Neff, nor have you ever been to his farm. The horse that is talked about on fugly is still on Mr. Neff's farm being loved and cared for. Thinking you did not know this either and felt it should be pointed out.
Many times when things are falsely reported a retraction is made and any honorable reporter will do this. Not sure why this was not done on the RMHP site. Thinking that only one side is all they are interested in. Again only posts that RMHP finds to be supportive will be left all others will be removed. No bad language was ever used on your site just people stating another point of view.
Hitching wagons.....and still do not know Mr. Neff, nor have you ever been to his farm. The horse that is talked about on fugly is still on Mr. Neff's farm being loved and cared for. Thinking you did not know this either and felt it should be pointed out.
Many times when things are falsely reported a retraction is made and any honorable reporter will do this. Not sure why this was not done on the RMHP site. Thinking that only one side is all they are interested in. Again only posts that RMHP finds to be supportive will be left all others will be removed. No bad language was ever used on your site just people stating another point of view.
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What are you even talking about? I don't even understand these accusations that you are making. Are you pointing a finger at me and saying I am responsible for this? I have nothing to do with this situation other than observing the slander by your group towards several rescues and people you don't even know. And yet you pass judgement so self-righteously on the people who went out of their way to help one man when so many were in need. And it seems Mr. Neff had no problems whatsoever talking with reporters after the flood and pointing fingers at the very people that donated money and time to help him. So to say that he was too emotional to talk to RMHP is pure bunk.
BTW, who exactly doesn't sound like a horseperson here? Is it Mr. Neff, the horse lover, joking about sending a horse to slaughter? http://fuglyblog.com/2010/08/29/lamebook-equine-edition/
What truly bothers me, and why I continue to return to counter your claims, is to see your group ganging up on a bunch of people who aren't even here to defend themselves. I don't see YOU asking THEM what exactly happened. You just assume they are all in the wrong because you are all "staunch supporters" of Mr. Neff. The point I made earlier still stands. You can hardly be objective about him when you are so close. I strongly suggest you look at this link: http://fuglyblog.com/2010/08/29/lamebook-equine-edition/ to see a different side to the man you worship so blindly.
There is much more proof supporting RMHP's story than Neff's.
BTW, who exactly doesn't sound like a horseperson here? Is it Mr. Neff, the horse lover, joking about sending a horse to slaughter? http://fuglyblog.com/2010/08/29/lamebook-equine-edition/
What truly bothers me, and why I continue to return to counter your claims, is to see your group ganging up on a bunch of people who aren't even here to defend themselves. I don't see YOU asking THEM what exactly happened. You just assume they are all in the wrong because you are all "staunch supporters" of Mr. Neff. The point I made earlier still stands. You can hardly be objective about him when you are so close. I strongly suggest you look at this link: http://fuglyblog.com/2010/08/29/lamebook-equine-edition/ to see a different side to the man you worship so blindly.
There is much more proof supporting RMHP's story than Neff's.
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What's this? #16 General Comment
Sounds like your the one with the Vendetta to ME
AUTHOR: picasso831 - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Friday, February 03, 2012
Very Interesting Observer...sounds to me like you are the one with a vendetta!
Have you ever lost 22 horses to a horrific natural disaster? I did not think so, since you have never answered this questioned when it has be posed to you before! If, you had do you really think you would have answered questions by someone who did not even give their name when calling. And exactly how would you have felt after seeing your beloved horses in mountains of debris? Your actions and words are very disturbing for someone who says you are a horse person. Really, do you love your horses or family members horses? Why, when you have been told that your stories are in correct and also for the fact that you changed the article several times do you continue to point the finger and carry this vendetta if you have done nothing wrong.
This is not a feud! This is a group of woman who for what ever reason decided they did not like someone and went after him with a vengence. Your group of so called volunteer admins off several different internet groups banded together for your own interest. You all felt this terrible tradgedy that Mr. Neff was going through would increase your ratings. Something many of you woman would not want new members or people who were missing horses to think you were doing. In the end most people find lost animals by searching for them themselves or with groups of volunteers. Between all your groups you scared people off from searching and for what reason was this done?
If, your intent was to help that was lost by your insensitive and uncaring posts and conversations with someone who had put many years into his horses. Again I ask you all...have you ever lost 22 horses to a flood? Don't think so! Mr. Neff allowed you all into his life and this is what he got for it? His loss became your gain? Really...you did hitch your wagons! You just did not think you would incounter any indians. We are a proud group of intelligent supporters who know who we defend and also have spent many hours on the ground traveled miles and hoped and prayed that we would at least find one horse.
Sorry to say but sitting behind my computer did not find any horses...just a very sad story. I do not think I will ever give money for any rescue group that is associated with any of the players who have tried in anyway to tarnish Mr. Neff's name with a bunch of foolish nonsense.
You continue to hide behind all kinds of names...all that you post and have posted insults ones intelligence.
Have you ever lost 22 horses to a horrific natural disaster? I did not think so, since you have never answered this questioned when it has be posed to you before! If, you had do you really think you would have answered questions by someone who did not even give their name when calling. And exactly how would you have felt after seeing your beloved horses in mountains of debris? Your actions and words are very disturbing for someone who says you are a horse person. Really, do you love your horses or family members horses? Why, when you have been told that your stories are in correct and also for the fact that you changed the article several times do you continue to point the finger and carry this vendetta if you have done nothing wrong.
This is not a feud! This is a group of woman who for what ever reason decided they did not like someone and went after him with a vengence. Your group of so called volunteer admins off several different internet groups banded together for your own interest. You all felt this terrible tradgedy that Mr. Neff was going through would increase your ratings. Something many of you woman would not want new members or people who were missing horses to think you were doing. In the end most people find lost animals by searching for them themselves or with groups of volunteers. Between all your groups you scared people off from searching and for what reason was this done?
If, your intent was to help that was lost by your insensitive and uncaring posts and conversations with someone who had put many years into his horses. Again I ask you all...have you ever lost 22 horses to a flood? Don't think so! Mr. Neff allowed you all into his life and this is what he got for it? His loss became your gain? Really...you did hitch your wagons! You just did not think you would incounter any indians. We are a proud group of intelligent supporters who know who we defend and also have spent many hours on the ground traveled miles and hoped and prayed that we would at least find one horse.
Sorry to say but sitting behind my computer did not find any horses...just a very sad story. I do not think I will ever give money for any rescue group that is associated with any of the players who have tried in anyway to tarnish Mr. Neff's name with a bunch of foolish nonsense.
You continue to hide behind all kinds of names...all that you post and have posted insults ones intelligence.
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What's this? #17 Consumer Comment
Methinks Rate My Horse Pro doth Protest Too Much about this Report.
AUTHOR: Ratemyhorseproisgarbage - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Friday, February 03, 2012
By the way, why did Rate My Horse Pro remove all the comments underneath the article trashing Leland?
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What's this? #18 Consumer Comment
Hole in YOUR logic
AUTHOR: An Observer - (USA)
SUBMITTED: Friday, February 03, 2012
The hole in your logic is that they *did* speak to people involved in the situation. They spoke to Mr. Neff HIMSELF. You can't get more diligent than that. But instead of seizing the opportunity to tell his side of the story (or set the record straight if he was feeling unfairly attacked) he chose to hang up on them. (Defensive much?) And you can't say it was because he was distraught and at the lowest time in his life, because it appears he had NO PROBLEM speaking with the reporter who wrote the very lopsided (in his favor of course) articles linked earlier in this thread.
The problem with being a staunch supporter of Mr. Neff is that you are not going to believe anyone but him. You are already highly biased against any criticism of him, as you do not want to believe someone that *you* think is a wonderful person could be anything but, as it would cast doubt on *your* judgement.
The objective people who have weighed in on this issue and are standing on the outside of this feud see things a bit more clearly than those who have horses in the race, so to speak.
The problem with being a staunch supporter of Mr. Neff is that you are not going to believe anyone but him. You are already highly biased against any criticism of him, as you do not want to believe someone that *you* think is a wonderful person could be anything but, as it would cast doubt on *your* judgement.
The objective people who have weighed in on this issue and are standing on the outside of this feud see things a bit more clearly than those who have horses in the race, so to speak.
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What's this? #19 General Comment
Hole in your logic
AUTHOR: Twenty Two Angels - (Canada)
SUBMITTED: Friday, February 03, 2012
The hole in your logic is that Mr Neff's supporters do know him well and were present during the search and discovery of the deceased animals. Neither RMHP or his detractors can make this same claim. I have also seen video clips of some of the `sources' RMHP used, as well as heard audio recordings of others. So, with absolute knowledge of Mr Neff and his story, that is far more knowledge than RMHP has of anything to do with this. Again, they went on Ms Schmoll's suggestions and picked out the most controversial people to interview. If they were truly interested in reporting the entire story in the most objective light, they would have talked to more than a select few. Since Mr Neff is NOT a professional breeder or horseman, I still wonder why RMHP targetted him other than to hitch their own wagon to the publicity from this tragedy. If they are truly dedicated to reporting and rating professionals, Mr Neff's story has no place on their website.
The person behind RMHP is Debbie Goad Hanson and I wonder if she would appreciate people judging her solely on the word of her many, many enemies and then put a spin on it through lies of omission and have that taken as the final word on her character. RMHP did not practice due diligence by sifting through the hurt feelings and ego to find the truth. Not only did they refuse to speak with any people with first hand knowledge of the situation, they deleted their posts and banned them from commenting. They claim to want commentary on their articles, but it is only selective commentary they are after. I believe Star Magazine and National Enquirer uses similar tactics and neither of those are respected news sources a a result.
The person behind RMHP is Debbie Goad Hanson and I wonder if she would appreciate people judging her solely on the word of her many, many enemies and then put a spin on it through lies of omission and have that taken as the final word on her character. RMHP did not practice due diligence by sifting through the hurt feelings and ego to find the truth. Not only did they refuse to speak with any people with first hand knowledge of the situation, they deleted their posts and banned them from commenting. They claim to want commentary on their articles, but it is only selective commentary they are after. I believe Star Magazine and National Enquirer uses similar tactics and neither of those are respected news sources a a result.
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What's this? #20 Consumer Comment
Staunch supporter =/= Objective
AUTHOR: An Observer - (USA)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, February 02, 2012
Being a "staunch supporter" would make you somewhat less than objective, would it not?
I'm just wondering how many of his supporters were witnesses to any conversations that happened between any of the people they are harassing. Do they even know personally any of the people they are accusing of wrongdoing?
The whole premise of their argument is that people are making accusations against Mr. Neff without knowing them, but is that not the exact same thing they are doing to those they disagree with?
I'm just wondering how many of his supporters were witnesses to any conversations that happened between any of the people they are harassing. Do they even know personally any of the people they are accusing of wrongdoing?
The whole premise of their argument is that people are making accusations against Mr. Neff without knowing them, but is that not the exact same thing they are doing to those they disagree with?
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What's this? #21 General Comment
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AUTHOR: Truth for 22 - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, February 02, 2012
As a staunch supporter of Mr Neff and a person who had first hand contact with people on the Flood Horse Page I can say that people who were banned and had comments deleted deserved it. These people posted horrendous accusations and vicious comments beginning at the time that Ms Schmoll tendered her resignation.Some of these people were the very same that offered the slanderous comments for RMHP to publish.
Do any of you KNOW first hand the conversation between Mr Neff and RMHP? Perhaps you would have hung up also.
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What's this? #22 Consumer Comment
More mysterious claims and false accusations
AUTHOR: An Observer - (USA)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, February 02, 2012
Saying you have proof is not the same as actually showing proof. Sorry. Until and if that day ever comes, your claims have zero credibility. Calling someone to interview them is not an attempt to destroy anyone. RMHP contacted him to get his side of the story, which he was free to tell. Why hang up on them? If there was misinformation, he could have set the record straight then and there. But instead *he* chose to react in a defensive manner. What was he trying to hide?
OTHER people lost horses in this horrible catastrophe, but Neff is the only one that received nationwide attention and support. So for him to turn around and bash the very groups that rushed in to help reflects poorly on him, not on the groups and people who were trying to help.
Beyond that, all your other claims are specious at best. Amazing how you can be so self-righteous and then turn around and do exactly that which you accuse others.
OTHER people lost horses in this horrible catastrophe, but Neff is the only one that received nationwide attention and support. So for him to turn around and bash the very groups that rushed in to help reflects poorly on him, not on the groups and people who were trying to help.
Beyond that, all your other claims are specious at best. Amazing how you can be so self-righteous and then turn around and do exactly that which you accuse others.
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What's this? #23 General Comment
Proof
AUTHOR: Twenty Two Angels - (Canada)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, February 02, 2012
When you slip out from under your veil of anonymity and perhaps contact some of the people that were directly involved with the search and/or know Mr Neff personally, perhaps your questions will be answered. Yes, there is a mountain of `proof' and documentation that has been compiled since the beginning of this tragedy. It will all come out in due course. It would have been happily provided to RMHP had they ever bothered to contact any of the above mentioned people. It would appear they were never interested in the truth or the actual sequence of events, as it wouldn't have been nearly as controversial.
Through all this back and forth, RMHP has not bothered to answer the simple question of why the took a man at the lowest point in his life, and proceeded to attempt to destroy him. I'm still unclear on why they though it was advantageous to him to hide the fact some horses had been discovered? Instead of allowing this man to process his immense grief, they pounced all over him and then, without knowing the whole story, spread lies and demonized him across the internet. Since they refuse to answer `why', we can only surmise that Debbie Hanson, used her media outlet to grind and axe for her pal Michele Devinney Schmoll. The sources for RMHP's hack job were clearly supplied by her. Ms Schmoll was the same one selling a 24 yr old broodmare to make room for her `rescues' and immediately edited her webpage when she got called out on it. That's the kind of ethics and compassion at work here.....Good thing people do screen captures otherwise there wouldn't be PROOF.
Through all this back and forth, RMHP has not bothered to answer the simple question of why the took a man at the lowest point in his life, and proceeded to attempt to destroy him. I'm still unclear on why they though it was advantageous to him to hide the fact some horses had been discovered? Instead of allowing this man to process his immense grief, they pounced all over him and then, without knowing the whole story, spread lies and demonized him across the internet. Since they refuse to answer `why', we can only surmise that Debbie Hanson, used her media outlet to grind and axe for her pal Michele Devinney Schmoll. The sources for RMHP's hack job were clearly supplied by her. Ms Schmoll was the same one selling a 24 yr old broodmare to make room for her `rescues' and immediately edited her webpage when she got called out on it. That's the kind of ethics and compassion at work here.....Good thing people do screen captures otherwise there wouldn't be PROOF.
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Without proof, your words are little more than fiction. Where is this so-called documentation? Why do all the supporters of Leland Neff make these claims and then fail to provide anything to back them up, even though they claim to have it?
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What's this? #25 Consumer Comment
Black and White Proof...
AUTHOR: gingergirl - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Monday, January 30, 2012
As a Neff supporter and searcher, I can attest to the fact that YES.. there are many Alias's associated with the case of ruining Mr. Neff and turning his story into something that is totally untrue and downright malicious. This never should have happened! This is NOT a fantasy as you claim-NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH.
There is documentation to prove otherwise.
There is documentation to prove otherwise.
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What's this? #26 General Comment
Really there are many sides to a story..?
AUTHOR: ConcernedOwner - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Monday, January 30, 2012
Been searching for information on this event because of all the negative comments and found these letters to editor of the Mountain Eagle and article which clued me in to some very interesting facts that aren't mentioned.
It seems like Mr. Neff got help and bashed them while they were still helping him and won't admit it. No one is responsible for what happened to Mr. Neff's 22 horses. He needs to stop pointing fingers at organizations and people that stepped up to help him in his "darkest hour". I do hope at some point he can find peace for his own actions.
NetPosse Organization is Vital..
http://www.thedailymail.org/articles/2011/10/06/the_mountain_eagle/news/doc4e8c7c2ec37d5221937650.txt
Setting the Record Straight
http://www.thedailymail.org/articles/2011/10/13/the_mountain_eagle/opinion/letters_to_the_editor/doc4e96f8706ab27797714313.txt
Clearing Up Misunderstandings
http://www.thedailymail.org/articles/2011/10/13/the_mountain_eagle/opinion/letters_to_the_editor/doc4e96f79589ca6052006239.txt
Involved in the Effort
http://www.thedailymail.org/articles/2011/10/13/the_mountain_eagle/opinion/letters_to_the_editor/doc4e96f82491c8e903147727.txt
There is something called the attitude of gratitude, Mr. Neff still has a home, a talent of being a wonderful artist, lots of friends, so although all the horses have not been found, I feel like he is still blessed. There are people in far worse shape.
It seems like Mr. Neff got help and bashed them while they were still helping him and won't admit it. No one is responsible for what happened to Mr. Neff's 22 horses. He needs to stop pointing fingers at organizations and people that stepped up to help him in his "darkest hour". I do hope at some point he can find peace for his own actions.
NetPosse Organization is Vital..
http://www.thedailymail.org/articles/2011/10/06/the_mountain_eagle/news/doc4e8c7c2ec37d5221937650.txt
Setting the Record Straight
http://www.thedailymail.org/articles/2011/10/13/the_mountain_eagle/opinion/letters_to_the_editor/doc4e96f8706ab27797714313.txt
Clearing Up Misunderstandings
http://www.thedailymail.org/articles/2011/10/13/the_mountain_eagle/opinion/letters_to_the_editor/doc4e96f79589ca6052006239.txt
Involved in the Effort
http://www.thedailymail.org/articles/2011/10/13/the_mountain_eagle/opinion/letters_to_the_editor/doc4e96f82491c8e903147727.txt
There is something called the attitude of gratitude, Mr. Neff still has a home, a talent of being a wonderful artist, lots of friends, so although all the horses have not been found, I feel like he is still blessed. There are people in far worse shape.
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What's this? #27 Consumer Comment
More fantasy, funny really
AUTHOR: An Observer - (USA)
SUBMITTED: Monday, January 30, 2012
Twentytwoangels said: "Those comments were made by the same two or three people under different aliases"
And your proof of that, and the rest of what you say, is???
And your proof of that, and the rest of what you say, is???
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What's this? #28 General Comment
Bogus comments....
AUTHOR: Twenty Two Angels - (Canada)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, January 29, 2012
Those comments were made by the same two or three people under different aliases.....Mainly the same people Michele Schmoll gave up as `sources' to RMHP after she had made them administrators of Mr. Neff's facebook page. None of them ever met Mr Neff in person. They are also linked with the people that `rescued' his remaining horses that were never in the flood and Ms Schmoll had Mr Neff call the police on. Of course they are bitter. Again, RMHP refused to listen to or interview the people that have met Mr Neff and were directly involved in the search, including ones in attendence when the deceased animals were discovered. Due diligence would have meant that RMHP should have taken up at least one of these people on their many offers of giving a factual accounting of what was really going on. Their response to these offers were to delete posts and close threads.
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What's this? #29 Consumer Comment
Read the comments here
AUTHOR: An Observer - (USA)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, January 29, 2012
I strongly urge people to read the COMMENTS at the end of this article to get a full picture of Leland Neff's behavior during the flood catastrophe: http://www.thedailymail.net/articles/2011/09/29/the_mountain_eagle/news/doc4e849f8e5eafa402229951.txt
They are very, very telling. And again, indicate that all the things his supporters are blaming others of, they are in fact guilty of. That includes deleting and banning people from their group when they offered a different accounting of events than what Mr. Neff wants made public.
I too am convinced that RMHP did its due diligence in reporting this story and there is certainly no slander campaign against him.
They are very, very telling. And again, indicate that all the things his supporters are blaming others of, they are in fact guilty of. That includes deleting and banning people from their group when they offered a different accounting of events than what Mr. Neff wants made public.
I too am convinced that RMHP did its due diligence in reporting this story and there is certainly no slander campaign against him.
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What's this? #30 General Comment
Really?? Netposse posted posters and kept how many people from ground searching??
AUTHOR: picasso831 - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, January 29, 2012
It makes me sick to see that someone from Albany would not have gone and come forward to ever do a ground search of any kind. You continue to be heartless and that is the point. Mr. Neff never had anything to cover up and your small group of supporters for whatever reason made it seem that he did. Have you ever lost 22 horses from a raging FLOOD? If you did do you really think you would want to post all the horrific details the second you came in from searching? This is the reason your help was finally turned away. Your/there hearts were never in the right place!!!!
I hope no one else is ever treated in this manner again. You pass judgement on Mr. Neff without ever meeting him or having any knowledge of his land or what he saw after the flood! Only pictures and evil people's information!! I am ashamed that these same people calll themselves horse rescuers and do gooders. I am glad I am not friends or associated with any of you in any way!! The internet did not help Mr. Neff the people who know Mr. Neff from his personal FB page were the ones who got the word out that Mr. Neff needed help. So do not pat yourselves on the back for anything other than your smear campaign. If that is what you want to be known for I for one feel sick to think of any others that you make contact with.
I hope no one else is ever treated in this manner again. You pass judgement on Mr. Neff without ever meeting him or having any knowledge of his land or what he saw after the flood! Only pictures and evil people's information!! I am ashamed that these same people calll themselves horse rescuers and do gooders. I am glad I am not friends or associated with any of you in any way!! The internet did not help Mr. Neff the people who know Mr. Neff from his personal FB page were the ones who got the word out that Mr. Neff needed help. So do not pat yourselves on the back for anything other than your smear campaign. If that is what you want to be known for I for one feel sick to think of any others that you make contact with.
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What's this? #31 General Comment
Neff supporter admits to smear campaign against NetPosse
AUTHOR: I have done my own investigation an - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, January 29, 2012
It is unfortunate that the loss of 22 horses has taken a backseat to what we are seeing here. I am not prone to get involved in these messy situations but had to speak out so that people who click on a link from the LNFP will see the other side of the story that is now allowed on the flood page.
Once again someone from the Neff group assumes they knew all about everything as was evident in their reply to my previous post. And once again I took to reading about this case through the news media, public websites and public post on facebook pages. After this post I wonder how many of the post I used as a reference will be removed from the LNFP. Sad, but true, post were deleted in the early days and post that I have seen before seem to be missing under the new administrators as well.
Clearly Ratemyhorseproisgarbage - Albany (United States of America) does not know everyone Mr. Neff engaged a conversation with or what he has said on his own. How do you know that I have not talked to Neff in the past? How do you really know what he says to anyone? It is a very large assumption to take responsibility for knowing he does every minute of every day since Irene hit in August.
Is it possible that he is playing all of you for his own benefit? He has not come forward to speak for himself. Why, because he has a few, maybe 10 (out of 761 as of todays count on the page) or so people on the flood page that do it all for him. Read the flood page and you will easily be able to identify the group.
And now because of Ratemyhorseproisgarbage - Albany (United States of America)s own words in this thread I am without doubt that this is nothing more than a smear campaign by a small, well-intentioned but clearly misguided group who are trying to bully a kind organization because it will not bow down to their demands.
Then you could write to Netposse and suggest that if they want to salvage their own reputation because they are so wonderful then they should break off the attachment to the article and to Leland's name and remove it from their website.
Putting that smear threat with all the statements that I read on the flood page from Mr. Neff himself, the statement above speaks volumes to me about this whole Rip Off claim by the group. I hope it does to anyone reading this thread. I strongly suggest that those reading this do their own research as I have.
Knowing what I know now since I took the time to look at the facts in this case, I have no clue why they keep any of his information on their site at all about Neff and his horses. I would have taken it down a long time ago. Maybe they havent because they are truly about helping the horses. I cannot say that about the LNFP any longer.
You response to my post made me dig further, reading each article on NetPosse about Neff and his horses. It appears to me that Neff benefited greatly by using NetPosses good name. So many of us would have never heard of him had it not been for their alerts in the beginning. And there is nothing wrong with that as I would have done the same. They were getting publicity for Neff and his horses. I didnt see Neff sending anything out. Why? He couldnt because he had no way to do so. He ask these people and organizations for help and they gave it.
I dont see any demands from the Neff group demanding that NetPosse take down any of their other links to articles on Neffs NePosse page. If NetPosse is picking sides, why didnt NetPosse remove these articles?
Here is the one about Neffs plight with a plea to help him find his horses. http://www.netposse.com/newsviewer.asp?id=473 And look who they are asking people to help, Mr. Neff.
This one tells more of the story and how NetPosse was invited into this saga and maybe why you think that these two groups were seeking publicity, nothing could be further from the truth. This story is the CNN report that was generated on Mr. Neffs behalf. NetPosse didnt do the PR, someone else did. Look at the byline. This is yet another positive link on NetPosses page for Neff. http://www.netposse.com/newsviewer.asp?id=476
There are also links to news updates from WTEN-10, FOX 23 and the dailystar, all of which support Neff.
The Neff group clearly wants only one side of this story told, not the whole story as NetPosse is doing in a non-biased manner.
I found a link to this article particularly interesting, where Neff stated his side of this story to a local newspaper about his plight that is also linked by NetPosse and located online at http://www.thedailymail.org/articles/2011/09/30/the_mountain_eagle/news/doc4e849f8e5eafa402229951.txt
But then why would the Neff supporters bring this up when the newspaper has a clarification right at the top which makes me think, especially in light of what I see coming from Neff and his group now, that what is stated by Neff in the article tends to not be the facts. There are some very interesting comments at the bottom which are very contradictive to the Neff groups claims on this page too.
The newspaper clarification states:
Clarification by Mountain Eagle News added: No one has reported finding Neff's missing horses, and NetPosse still has information and a flyer that can be posted by anyone on the webpage. Please note the organization is separate from Horse Evacuation East and Michele Schmoll, mentioned in this article which has also been involved in the search for Mr. Neff's horses. NetPosse has not at any time solicited for funds or any money in relation to the Neff horses. NetPosse had no involvement with the UAV project and is not responsible for the actions of the aforementioned facebook group or individuals.
And this same newspaper came back a week or so later and wrote this article, NetPosse Organization Is Vital For Missing Or Stolen Horses. Hmmmmmakes one think doesnt it? Read the article on the news site here: http://www.thedailymail.net/articles/2011/10/10/the_mountain_eagle/news/doc4e8c7c2ec37d5221937650.txt
I am wondering if the Neff supporters have even looked at these articles as a whole because anyone who is not biased can see that NetPosse has not promoted the RMHP article over any other. It is simply part of the chronicles of Neff
Your attempt to smear this group has only made me much more confident about them. Sure with all of the victims they work with there is bound to be a few disgruntled people. It comes with the territory when you work with the public. NetPosse cant make all people happy all of the time. No one can. But in the case of Neff, it is clear to this reader they have done nothing wrong.
I implore anyone who is reading this thread to read the public information in which I refer to above. Please notice that I present to you facts with links to outside sources that are not one persons opinion. Do your own research.
Yes, I have now formed my own opinion thanks to the post here and on the LNFP based on the information that I easily found online. However, it is not the one that this group wanted. I thank the group for at least presenting me with a challenge to find the real truth about an organization I have known about for years. It is clear they have an agenda with RMHP. Pointing a finger in the wrong direction only hurts their mission to right what they feel like is a wrong created by one news article at RMHP.
The efforts here to clear Neffs name pushed this reader, who found this thread from the Leland Neff Flood Page, in the other direction when I checked the facts. I feel sorry for everyone involved; especially NetPosse, Evacuations East (you can read their post about this event on their page too), Michele Schmoll, (look at the good work she did for Neff on the LNFP. It appears to be because of Michele Schmolls effort to help that all of the news hit the media for Neff), the people who so blindly do not look at the facts and believe the innuendos (made without facts to support them) and RMHP which I am certain now were professional in how they reported their story.
It is also clear to me that the only one who is seeking publicity out of this and keeps this plight going is not any of the aforementioned groups or people, (they have all moved on it seems) but Neff and his supporters.
I can read and think on my own ..
Once again someone from the Neff group assumes they knew all about everything as was evident in their reply to my previous post. And once again I took to reading about this case through the news media, public websites and public post on facebook pages. After this post I wonder how many of the post I used as a reference will be removed from the LNFP. Sad, but true, post were deleted in the early days and post that I have seen before seem to be missing under the new administrators as well.
Clearly Ratemyhorseproisgarbage - Albany (United States of America) does not know everyone Mr. Neff engaged a conversation with or what he has said on his own. How do you know that I have not talked to Neff in the past? How do you really know what he says to anyone? It is a very large assumption to take responsibility for knowing he does every minute of every day since Irene hit in August.
Is it possible that he is playing all of you for his own benefit? He has not come forward to speak for himself. Why, because he has a few, maybe 10 (out of 761 as of todays count on the page) or so people on the flood page that do it all for him. Read the flood page and you will easily be able to identify the group.
And now because of Ratemyhorseproisgarbage - Albany (United States of America)s own words in this thread I am without doubt that this is nothing more than a smear campaign by a small, well-intentioned but clearly misguided group who are trying to bully a kind organization because it will not bow down to their demands.
Then you could write to Netposse and suggest that if they want to salvage their own reputation because they are so wonderful then they should break off the attachment to the article and to Leland's name and remove it from their website.
Putting that smear threat with all the statements that I read on the flood page from Mr. Neff himself, the statement above speaks volumes to me about this whole Rip Off claim by the group. I hope it does to anyone reading this thread. I strongly suggest that those reading this do their own research as I have.
Knowing what I know now since I took the time to look at the facts in this case, I have no clue why they keep any of his information on their site at all about Neff and his horses. I would have taken it down a long time ago. Maybe they havent because they are truly about helping the horses. I cannot say that about the LNFP any longer.
You response to my post made me dig further, reading each article on NetPosse about Neff and his horses. It appears to me that Neff benefited greatly by using NetPosses good name. So many of us would have never heard of him had it not been for their alerts in the beginning. And there is nothing wrong with that as I would have done the same. They were getting publicity for Neff and his horses. I didnt see Neff sending anything out. Why? He couldnt because he had no way to do so. He ask these people and organizations for help and they gave it.
I dont see any demands from the Neff group demanding that NetPosse take down any of their other links to articles on Neffs NePosse page. If NetPosse is picking sides, why didnt NetPosse remove these articles?
Here is the one about Neffs plight with a plea to help him find his horses. http://www.netposse.com/newsviewer.asp?id=473 And look who they are asking people to help, Mr. Neff.
This one tells more of the story and how NetPosse was invited into this saga and maybe why you think that these two groups were seeking publicity, nothing could be further from the truth. This story is the CNN report that was generated on Mr. Neffs behalf. NetPosse didnt do the PR, someone else did. Look at the byline. This is yet another positive link on NetPosses page for Neff. http://www.netposse.com/newsviewer.asp?id=476
There are also links to news updates from WTEN-10, FOX 23 and the dailystar, all of which support Neff.
The Neff group clearly wants only one side of this story told, not the whole story as NetPosse is doing in a non-biased manner.
I found a link to this article particularly interesting, where Neff stated his side of this story to a local newspaper about his plight that is also linked by NetPosse and located online at http://www.thedailymail.org/articles/2011/09/30/the_mountain_eagle/news/doc4e849f8e5eafa402229951.txt
But then why would the Neff supporters bring this up when the newspaper has a clarification right at the top which makes me think, especially in light of what I see coming from Neff and his group now, that what is stated by Neff in the article tends to not be the facts. There are some very interesting comments at the bottom which are very contradictive to the Neff groups claims on this page too.
The newspaper clarification states:
Clarification by Mountain Eagle News added: No one has reported finding Neff's missing horses, and NetPosse still has information and a flyer that can be posted by anyone on the webpage. Please note the organization is separate from Horse Evacuation East and Michele Schmoll, mentioned in this article which has also been involved in the search for Mr. Neff's horses. NetPosse has not at any time solicited for funds or any money in relation to the Neff horses. NetPosse had no involvement with the UAV project and is not responsible for the actions of the aforementioned facebook group or individuals.
And this same newspaper came back a week or so later and wrote this article, NetPosse Organization Is Vital For Missing Or Stolen Horses. Hmmmmmakes one think doesnt it? Read the article on the news site here: http://www.thedailymail.net/articles/2011/10/10/the_mountain_eagle/news/doc4e8c7c2ec37d5221937650.txt
I am wondering if the Neff supporters have even looked at these articles as a whole because anyone who is not biased can see that NetPosse has not promoted the RMHP article over any other. It is simply part of the chronicles of Neff
Your attempt to smear this group has only made me much more confident about them. Sure with all of the victims they work with there is bound to be a few disgruntled people. It comes with the territory when you work with the public. NetPosse cant make all people happy all of the time. No one can. But in the case of Neff, it is clear to this reader they have done nothing wrong.
I implore anyone who is reading this thread to read the public information in which I refer to above. Please notice that I present to you facts with links to outside sources that are not one persons opinion. Do your own research.
Yes, I have now formed my own opinion thanks to the post here and on the LNFP based on the information that I easily found online. However, it is not the one that this group wanted. I thank the group for at least presenting me with a challenge to find the real truth about an organization I have known about for years. It is clear they have an agenda with RMHP. Pointing a finger in the wrong direction only hurts their mission to right what they feel like is a wrong created by one news article at RMHP.
The efforts here to clear Neffs name pushed this reader, who found this thread from the Leland Neff Flood Page, in the other direction when I checked the facts. I feel sorry for everyone involved; especially NetPosse, Evacuations East (you can read their post about this event on their page too), Michele Schmoll, (look at the good work she did for Neff on the LNFP. It appears to be because of Michele Schmolls effort to help that all of the news hit the media for Neff), the people who so blindly do not look at the facts and believe the innuendos (made without facts to support them) and RMHP which I am certain now were professional in how they reported their story.
It is also clear to me that the only one who is seeking publicity out of this and keeps this plight going is not any of the aforementioned groups or people, (they have all moved on it seems) but Neff and his supporters.
I can read and think on my own ..
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What's this? #32 Consumer Comment
More accusations with no proof provided
AUTHOR: An Observer - (USA)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, January 29, 2012
Once again, a supporter of Mr. Neff makes wild accusations towards Rate My Horse Pro and others, clearly to deflect from the questions that Mr. Neff has yet to provide answers for. That is the first tactic of the guilty - to point the finger at their accuser. They have provided NOTHING to prove their claims against Debbie Hanson and the owner of Back Bay Farm or that anyone is trying to hide anything behind an "alias". In fact, they haven't even mentioned what their claims might be. I did search on Google for information on Gene Hansen and found nothing at all, so it leave me wondering what these mysterious crimes are that only one poster on here has been able to unearth.
And still no answers to the questions that Neff should answer - the clearly undernourished mare, the foal with the halter growing into its head, the concealment of the horses' dead bodies, and the nasty comments about sending a paint stallion to slaughter.
Clearly an elaborate fantasy has been concocted in the minds of these people in their on-going effort to discredit Rate My Horse Pro.
And still no answers to the questions that Neff should answer - the clearly undernourished mare, the foal with the halter growing into its head, the concealment of the horses' dead bodies, and the nasty comments about sending a paint stallion to slaughter.
Clearly an elaborate fantasy has been concocted in the minds of these people in their on-going effort to discredit Rate My Horse Pro.
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What's this? #33 General Comment
Who were the sources?
AUTHOR: Twenty Two Angels - (Canada)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, January 29, 2012
It would seem that both RMHP and Netposse need to decide if they are tabloids or not. So far, they act like tabloids. RMHP has been very selective about where they get their information from. They refuse to listen to or speak with people that were present during the search for these horses and that know Mr Neff. They have yet to dig up one legal document to support their claim against Mr Neff. Yet, Debbie Hanson continues to hide behind her alias (Lucia Carroll) and refuse to take down this slanderous article. She is upset that somebody dared to dig up information on her connections, yet that information came in the form of publically accessible legal documents (re: the owner of Back Bay Farms...another alias that Debbie Hanson posts under). Further information on one of her biggest supporters, Michelle Devinney Schmoll of Horse Evacuations East and DeVine Farms, show her trying to sell a 24 yr old broodmare to make room for `rescues' and stating she is perfectly fine to be bred again. What legitimate rescue does that? These are the people that claim that Mr Neff wasn't taking care of his horses. Neither one of them have ever met him in person, let alone stepped foot in Schoharie County. The one question these women refuse to answer is `Why?'. What did they think Mr Neff stood to gain through the loss of his herd and hiding that some had been found dead? Ms Schmoll was the ONLY one soliciting donations and insisting everything flowed through her. Ms Schmoll was the one that wouldn't allow Mr Neff to speak for himself. Ms Schmoll is the one that has since been photographed with Debbie Hanson and complimenting her on her `great service'. Again, none of this is innuendo or rumor, everything is documented and able to be proven. As mentioned previously, the slanderous material on RMHP came about right after Ms Schmoll resigned from helping with the search for these animals and some of the `sources' given to RMHP just so happened to be the disgruntled locals who had been causing problems on the facebook page.....the same people that Ms Schmoll made administrators of that page, while deleting anything that Mr Neff posted and insisted that nobody contact him directly.
Although this report is about RMHP, it bares mentioning that Netposse is officially partnered with them. They may not have charged for their services during for Mr Neff's tragedy, but they do charge adn they do fundraise. My question is where is this money going considering they claim to be only a `resource' and do not actually supply any manpower to search? Why are they listing lost horses and then linking inflammatory articles about the same situation? Did they really want to help or did they just want to get the publicity of coming up on the google search so they could solicit more funds for God knows what?
I would strongly caution anybody, no matter what their circumstances, against getting involved with any of these organizations. I would certainly suggest that their money be better spent elsewhere than to line the pockets of these women.
Although this report is about RMHP, it bares mentioning that Netposse is officially partnered with them. They may not have charged for their services during for Mr Neff's tragedy, but they do charge adn they do fundraise. My question is where is this money going considering they claim to be only a `resource' and do not actually supply any manpower to search? Why are they listing lost horses and then linking inflammatory articles about the same situation? Did they really want to help or did they just want to get the publicity of coming up on the google search so they could solicit more funds for God knows what?
I would strongly caution anybody, no matter what their circumstances, against getting involved with any of these organizations. I would certainly suggest that their money be better spent elsewhere than to line the pockets of these women.
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What's this? #34 Consumer Comment
He's not a horse lover, he just plays one on video.
AUTHOR: An Observer - (USA)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, January 29, 2012
Rate My Horse Pro DID talk to Neff. And he hung up on them. Why would he do that? How many other people besides Neff did the people bashing Rate My Horse Pro interview? Did they interview law enforcement officials? District attorneys? Emergency personnel? Other volunteers? Has anyone talked to Schoharie County Animal Response Team Coordinator Anne MacCuish? What about his threat to burn a neighbor out? Those are court documents that are available to the public. Until YOU interview everyone, you only have his side of the story and hardly the complete picture.
And why would anyone trust his videos? Certainly he's not going to broadcast anything unflattering about himself. What does he have to say about the photos of the clearly undernourished horse that is posted on the Rate My Horse Pro site? Or the photo of the (dearly loved, I'm sure) foal that has the halter growing into its face?
What about the piles of debris on his property that reeked of death and had hooves sticking out of them? Why didn't he report them right away? There are certainly *a lot* of unanswered questions from Mr. Neff. And none that his supporters seem to have an answer for either.
I have actually been following this story for quite some time, and back in August, Neff was giving away a paint horse stallion for free to any home (didn't even have to be a good one) on Facebook. He nastily claimed the horse was no good for anything but the slaughter plant. And his friends and supporters were joking that the horse should be made into glue. That does NOT sound like a man who loves horses to me. http://fuglyblog.com/2010/08/29/lamebook-equine-edition/
And why would anyone trust his videos? Certainly he's not going to broadcast anything unflattering about himself. What does he have to say about the photos of the clearly undernourished horse that is posted on the Rate My Horse Pro site? Or the photo of the (dearly loved, I'm sure) foal that has the halter growing into its face?
What about the piles of debris on his property that reeked of death and had hooves sticking out of them? Why didn't he report them right away? There are certainly *a lot* of unanswered questions from Mr. Neff. And none that his supporters seem to have an answer for either.
I have actually been following this story for quite some time, and back in August, Neff was giving away a paint horse stallion for free to any home (didn't even have to be a good one) on Facebook. He nastily claimed the horse was no good for anything but the slaughter plant. And his friends and supporters were joking that the horse should be made into glue. That does NOT sound like a man who loves horses to me. http://fuglyblog.com/2010/08/29/lamebook-equine-edition/
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What's this? #35 Consumer Comment
Your research did not include talking to Leland Neff.
AUTHOR: Ratemyhorseproisgarbage - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, January 29, 2012
The problem is that no one should be making up their mind until they actually talk to Leland or someone who was actually on his farm or involved in the search. I guarantee that anyone on here who has actually been there with him will verify his story.
It is a shame that he is forced to fight this battle but until Rate My Horse Pro and Netposse take down their links to the vicious article he has no choice.
In the interest of doing research, you could try looking at his videos of the horses before the flood and then compare it to what is said about him in the article, and you will have more evidence that he is a wonderful person and loved his horses and that what it says in the article is false. You could also talk to some of the people who actually went WITH him on his search. Then you could write to Netposse and suggest that if they want to salvage their own reputation because they are so wonderful then they should break off the attachment to the article and to Leland's name and remove it from their website.
It is a shame that he is forced to fight this battle but until Rate My Horse Pro and Netposse take down their links to the vicious article he has no choice.
In the interest of doing research, you could try looking at his videos of the horses before the flood and then compare it to what is said about him in the article, and you will have more evidence that he is a wonderful person and loved his horses and that what it says in the article is false. You could also talk to some of the people who actually went WITH him on his search. Then you could write to Netposse and suggest that if they want to salvage their own reputation because they are so wonderful then they should break off the attachment to the article and to Leland's name and remove it from their website.
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What's this? #36 Consumer Comment
This is a vendetta
AUTHOR: An Observer - (USA)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, January 29, 2012
Even though there are those that keep denying it. It is CLEARLY a small group of people flooding this board in an attempt to discredit Rate My Horse Pro. Did any of these people posting interview law enforcement officials, district attorneys, emergency personnel, and other voluteers? All I see are people who are taking Mr. Neff at HIS word. There are two sides to every story. Why would Neff hang up on Rate My Horse Pro unless he had something to hide? Surely he would want his side of the story reported as accurately as possible. But, instead, when confronted with the truth, he got angry and defensive and then played the victim.
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What's this? #37 General Comment
I can do my own thinking...
AUTHOR: I have done my own investigation an - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Saturday, January 28, 2012
Like many others I went to Mr. Neff's assistance because of an alert I received from NetPosse.com. I have remained in the background all these months but now it is time for me to speak. It is clear to me that the people who are berating NetPosse truly know very little about the organization. I saw untruths in their statements about the organization right from the beginning but like many who are probably reading this, I didnt want to get involved.
I decided to do my on research and checking of the facts. I am by trade an investigator of sorts and it was easy to find facts in which I was seeking. I found that Mr. Neff is not being treated any differently than any of the rest of the listings on NetPosse.com that have updates. If anything, it appears that he has received a great deal of help from this organization. This is visible on his page on NetPosse.com and on his own flood horse page.
I took a look at the webpage on NetPosse.com and I would like to ask everyone here to do the same. When you do I think you will see what I saw immediately. It appears to me that Mr. Neff's supporters want everyone to think that this organization is going after him because of the RMHP article when in fact the link to their article is just one of several links to articles which appear to chronicle this case from the time it was listed on the website. There are 10 articles in the Updates and Related Information section on this page for this case. There is also a news video from one of the news stations. Take a look: http://www.netposse.com/view_report.asp?reportid=1422.
When actually looking at the links I found something very interesting. There is one article there where Mr. Neff is saying bad things about this organization. Now, if they were truly censoring the news or trying to go after Neff I think they would have left that one off the page, but they didnt. It is truly a grouping of the good and bad press in this case. I applaud them for being more than fair to Neff, especially in light of how they are being portrayed in these postings.
I also noticed that he had 22 horses on one page. None of the other listings have that many. It was mentioned in one of these threads that NetPosse charges for their listings. (I hope so, how eles are they to pay their bills?) How much was Neff charged for their services?
Again, the person who made the note that NetPosse charges may not have done their own research or they would know that Mr. Neff was not charged for any of his listings. Animals lost or found in disaster situations are not charged. How kind of NetPosse to offer their assistance for free when they could be making money on Mr. Neff. I am sure getting 22 listings on one page was not an easy task.
I mentioned that I received their alerts. I still visit the flood page and what I have seen over the past months has been very sad. I dare not post my opinion because I would be deleted like so many others. They use to have 868 members at one time and now the number is down to 761 which begs me to ask this question, did those people who are not there anymore get tired of reading Mr. Neffs negative post or did the current Admins kick them off because they didnt want anyone to speak up with another opinion other than their own?
Of the 761 who are still there I expect many of them do not even follow this page, just check in from time to time, or not at all. I expect many of them turned off their notifications so they didnt have to read the negative emails like the ones that dropped in my box for so long.
So, I have done my research and I am going to do a little more. For now I have come to the following conclusions:
NetPosse is a wonderful organization who has helped so many victims. Dont take my word for it. Do your own research and read about them from the words of the many victims they have assisted. Check out their website at www.netposse.com and see for yourself.
They are not targeting Mr. Neff. Mr. Neff and his supporters are targeting them. Shame on all of you after all they did for Mr. Neff. And dont say they didnt. It is all a matter of documented very public record.
NetPosse was never supposed to organize search and rescue parties on the ground. That is not what they do. Read it for yourself.
NetPosse did not then or does not now need Neffs fame to gain publicity. They were number one in all of the search engines long before Neff came along. Do a search for stolen horses and see what come up for you.
Looking back over the LNFP thread, it is clear that NetPosse was an asset to this search. Many people posted the flyer that is still on Neffs NetPosse page today. It says so right there on the flood page. Just do you research and read.
It is also clear why there was another contact on the flyer. Neff didnt have electricity, his cell phone was going dead and he was out walking 40 miles a day looking for his horses. He chose to have other people who were in safe places with phones that worked as his contacts. Read it on the flood page.
And later when Neff wanted the information changed to his contact info all he had to do was submit the changes to NetPosse. Once he did that the info was updated on the webpage right away. Read it in Neffs own words. It is right in front of you on the flood page.
I must admit that most people would not take the time to look things up like I am doing, nor do most even care. I care. I hate to see someone do this to an organization that has done so much good, one that is all volunteers too. When you put down the work of NetPosse you are also stepping on the toes of the volunteers who so graciously assist them in distributing their alerts when trying to help victims.
And last, when I see what is written here about this organization by the Neff supporters that I know to be so incorrect, it made me go back and read the RMHP article about him. I was once sitting on the fence wondering what was true and what is not in the article. Based on the misstatement of facts that are so public about NetPosse.com and the Neff supporters aspirations to blacken their good reputation without doing their research, I now have to believe the RMHP article to be truthful and correct.
At least in this case the efforts of a few to hurt so many has backfired on them.
I can think on my own
I decided to do my on research and checking of the facts. I am by trade an investigator of sorts and it was easy to find facts in which I was seeking. I found that Mr. Neff is not being treated any differently than any of the rest of the listings on NetPosse.com that have updates. If anything, it appears that he has received a great deal of help from this organization. This is visible on his page on NetPosse.com and on his own flood horse page.
I took a look at the webpage on NetPosse.com and I would like to ask everyone here to do the same. When you do I think you will see what I saw immediately. It appears to me that Mr. Neff's supporters want everyone to think that this organization is going after him because of the RMHP article when in fact the link to their article is just one of several links to articles which appear to chronicle this case from the time it was listed on the website. There are 10 articles in the Updates and Related Information section on this page for this case. There is also a news video from one of the news stations. Take a look: http://www.netposse.com/view_report.asp?reportid=1422.
When actually looking at the links I found something very interesting. There is one article there where Mr. Neff is saying bad things about this organization. Now, if they were truly censoring the news or trying to go after Neff I think they would have left that one off the page, but they didnt. It is truly a grouping of the good and bad press in this case. I applaud them for being more than fair to Neff, especially in light of how they are being portrayed in these postings.
I also noticed that he had 22 horses on one page. None of the other listings have that many. It was mentioned in one of these threads that NetPosse charges for their listings. (I hope so, how eles are they to pay their bills?) How much was Neff charged for their services?
Again, the person who made the note that NetPosse charges may not have done their own research or they would know that Mr. Neff was not charged for any of his listings. Animals lost or found in disaster situations are not charged. How kind of NetPosse to offer their assistance for free when they could be making money on Mr. Neff. I am sure getting 22 listings on one page was not an easy task.
I mentioned that I received their alerts. I still visit the flood page and what I have seen over the past months has been very sad. I dare not post my opinion because I would be deleted like so many others. They use to have 868 members at one time and now the number is down to 761 which begs me to ask this question, did those people who are not there anymore get tired of reading Mr. Neffs negative post or did the current Admins kick them off because they didnt want anyone to speak up with another opinion other than their own?
Of the 761 who are still there I expect many of them do not even follow this page, just check in from time to time, or not at all. I expect many of them turned off their notifications so they didnt have to read the negative emails like the ones that dropped in my box for so long.
So, I have done my research and I am going to do a little more. For now I have come to the following conclusions:
NetPosse is a wonderful organization who has helped so many victims. Dont take my word for it. Do your own research and read about them from the words of the many victims they have assisted. Check out their website at www.netposse.com and see for yourself.
They are not targeting Mr. Neff. Mr. Neff and his supporters are targeting them. Shame on all of you after all they did for Mr. Neff. And dont say they didnt. It is all a matter of documented very public record.
NetPosse was never supposed to organize search and rescue parties on the ground. That is not what they do. Read it for yourself.
NetPosse did not then or does not now need Neffs fame to gain publicity. They were number one in all of the search engines long before Neff came along. Do a search for stolen horses and see what come up for you.
Looking back over the LNFP thread, it is clear that NetPosse was an asset to this search. Many people posted the flyer that is still on Neffs NetPosse page today. It says so right there on the flood page. Just do you research and read.
It is also clear why there was another contact on the flyer. Neff didnt have electricity, his cell phone was going dead and he was out walking 40 miles a day looking for his horses. He chose to have other people who were in safe places with phones that worked as his contacts. Read it on the flood page.
And later when Neff wanted the information changed to his contact info all he had to do was submit the changes to NetPosse. Once he did that the info was updated on the webpage right away. Read it in Neffs own words. It is right in front of you on the flood page.
I must admit that most people would not take the time to look things up like I am doing, nor do most even care. I care. I hate to see someone do this to an organization that has done so much good, one that is all volunteers too. When you put down the work of NetPosse you are also stepping on the toes of the volunteers who so graciously assist them in distributing their alerts when trying to help victims.
And last, when I see what is written here about this organization by the Neff supporters that I know to be so incorrect, it made me go back and read the RMHP article about him. I was once sitting on the fence wondering what was true and what is not in the article. Based on the misstatement of facts that are so public about NetPosse.com and the Neff supporters aspirations to blacken their good reputation without doing their research, I now have to believe the RMHP article to be truthful and correct.
At least in this case the efforts of a few to hurt so many has backfired on them.
I can think on my own
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What's this? #38 Consumer Comment
DAMAGE DONE!
AUTHOR: gingergirl - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Saturday, January 28, 2012
OF COURSE THEY HAVE NOT REPORTED ANYTHING ABOUT MR. NEFF---AS THEY ALREADY DAMAGED HIS REPUTATION, and RECEIVED A LOT OF ACTIVITY ON THEIR SITE.
CLEARLY you don't know that you are NOT ALLOWED to bring the subject up again on RMHP---OR YOU WILL BE BLOCKED OR DELETED!!! AND most certainly if you are a SUPPORTER OF Leland Neff.
If they had any morals they would REMOVE the slander...
CLEARLY you don't know that you are NOT ALLOWED to bring the subject up again on RMHP---OR YOU WILL BE BLOCKED OR DELETED!!! AND most certainly if you are a SUPPORTER OF Leland Neff.
If they had any morals they would REMOVE the slander...
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What's this? #39 Consumer Comment
Actually they did bring it up again.
AUTHOR: Ratemyhorseproisgarbage - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Saturday, January 28, 2012
They used the article in their "Best of 2011" series just recently and then when people commented with objections underneath they deleted comments and closed the thread. The article continues to come up on Google right under Leland's name, which is clear ongoing damage to his reputation. And they posted it on this very page as soon as it was mentioned just a few days ago.
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What's this? #40 General Comment
RMHP
AUTHOR: Truth for 22 - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Saturday, January 28, 2012
Well, of course RMHP would not continue to mention the Neff story. They were wrong and they would not repeal or remove it.
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What's this? #41 Consumer Comment
Clearly you don't know what you are talking about
AUTHOR: An Observer - (USA)
SUBMITTED: Saturday, January 28, 2012
More wild accusations and now some conspiracy theories! It keeps getting even more entertaining. As far as I can see, Rate My Horse Pro hasn't said or done anything about this story for several months. It appears to be Mr. Neff and his supporters that can't seem to let it die. Ever and always the victim(s) it seems.
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What's this? #42 Consumer Comment
Imagine his loss
AUTHOR: gingergirl - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Saturday, January 28, 2012
My heart went out to Leland when I first heard of this tragedy back in August. I joined the support group set up by the administrators and sat on my computer and phone for weeks and weeks. I asked over and over again to assist somehow with the ground search but was constantly told no- NOT by Leland Neff, but by the so called organizers-administrators.
Eventually, after so much frustration and lies being told on the internet, I and a group of people who put their heart into the situation, searched for the missing horses, something that should have done weeks prior.
Meeting Leland and the supporters opened my eyes to the devastation and the malicious people who had their own agenda's and bruised egos. We have NOTHING to gain-we just wanted to help a man who lost his family, I could not imagine the pain HE feels... and to read lies and devious reports on the internet about him and the condition of his horses was disgraceful. I've seen first hand the love and care he gave his horses..
Let the man get his life back and stop the attacks-remove the negative untrue stories on RMHP and NETPOSSE---
Eventually, after so much frustration and lies being told on the internet, I and a group of people who put their heart into the situation, searched for the missing horses, something that should have done weeks prior.
Meeting Leland and the supporters opened my eyes to the devastation and the malicious people who had their own agenda's and bruised egos. We have NOTHING to gain-we just wanted to help a man who lost his family, I could not imagine the pain HE feels... and to read lies and devious reports on the internet about him and the condition of his horses was disgraceful. I've seen first hand the love and care he gave his horses..
Let the man get his life back and stop the attacks-remove the negative untrue stories on RMHP and NETPOSSE---
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What's this? #43 Consumer Comment
No Vendetta, but the Truth
AUTHOR: Concerned in California - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Saturday, January 28, 2012
There is not a group of people with a vendetta against RMHP. It would appear that Debbie Goad Hanson aka Lucia Caroll is the one with the vendetta, as she continues to go after people that simply tell the truth. Furthermore, I'd like to know why she hides behind the alias Lucia Caroll. If she believes she is so right, why does she post under the fictitous aliase Lucia Caroll? The secret is out now.
I hope it is only a matter of time before RMHP is sued and shut down. It is high time that Debbie Goad Hanson start paying damages to all those that she has harmed.
I hope it is only a matter of time before RMHP is sued and shut down. It is high time that Debbie Goad Hanson start paying damages to all those that she has harmed.
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What's this? #44 General Comment
22 horses
AUTHOR: Truth for 22 - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Friday, January 27, 2012
As far as slander and liable are concerned in regards to RMHP, THEY are definitely the culprits not the supporters of Mr Neff. One can say that at least his supporters have done their homework as far as internet searches and personal experiences go.
I had and have knowledge of Mr Neff for years and know that he has worked tirelessly towards a breeding program that would improve thoroughbred horses so as to provide a better equine partner for certain disciplines. All of this done not as a professional but on an amateur basis. So the need for RMHP to get involved in such a malicious manner was unwarranted to begin with.
I was personally told not to go help with a ground search for the 22 horses as it was too dangerous and I would not be able to get to Mr Neff's farm due to road conditions. Yet certain others were able to get through to cause grief and harassment.
Several of the people who made statements about Mr Neff in RMHP slanderous article were able to go to his farm and "rescue" horses that were on his property and essentially steal them by removing them to their farm causing their rightful owner to travel hazardous roads to reclaim them. Others are the same people that Mr Neff refused to hire to do monthly work on the horse's feet and relatives of these same people. Another is a neighbor whose 1 acre of land is nestled in the acerage of the farm. The same neighbor who refuses Neff to use the deeded right of way allowing access to his own land.
So slander? If RMHP had removed the article when the request was made none of this would be necessary.
I had and have knowledge of Mr Neff for years and know that he has worked tirelessly towards a breeding program that would improve thoroughbred horses so as to provide a better equine partner for certain disciplines. All of this done not as a professional but on an amateur basis. So the need for RMHP to get involved in such a malicious manner was unwarranted to begin with.
I was personally told not to go help with a ground search for the 22 horses as it was too dangerous and I would not be able to get to Mr Neff's farm due to road conditions. Yet certain others were able to get through to cause grief and harassment.
Several of the people who made statements about Mr Neff in RMHP slanderous article were able to go to his farm and "rescue" horses that were on his property and essentially steal them by removing them to their farm causing their rightful owner to travel hazardous roads to reclaim them. Others are the same people that Mr Neff refused to hire to do monthly work on the horse's feet and relatives of these same people. Another is a neighbor whose 1 acre of land is nestled in the acerage of the farm. The same neighbor who refuses Neff to use the deeded right of way allowing access to his own land.
So slander? If RMHP had removed the article when the request was made none of this would be necessary.
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This is clearly a vendetta that a small group of people have against Rate My Horse Pro and a few other players in this Neff situation. Only they are taking it far beyond what they accuse RMHP of doing! They are making wild accusations and innuendos based on internet searches, of all things. And also making arguments that have absolutely nothing at all do do with anything really. What is the significance of bringing up the sale of a farm? Nothing. It is a weak attempt by a bitter person to discredit someone they disagree with. And to then go on to accuse someone of crimes based *solely* on an internet search of a fairly common name really goes beyond the pale. I think that shows what kind of "supporters" Mr. Neff has. He should reject such efforts of help, because this kind of libel hurts his cause more than helps it.
It sounds to me like someone's "facts" are fantasy.
It sounds to me like someone's "facts" are fantasy.
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What's this? #46 Consumer Comment
Yes it is Unfortunate.
AUTHOR: Ratemyhorseproisgarbage - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Friday, January 27, 2012
Yes, it is unfortunate that NetPosse and Rate My Horse Pro have completely taken the focus off of the lost horses. If you Google Leland Neff you will see that their sites come up on the first page--with the article full of lies smearing his name. If they really cared about the search and wanted to end all the personal attacking they would take the article down. However as you can see above, they continue to promote it even here. They are proud of an article attacking a man who lost 22 horses, even though they claim to be about other things.
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Netposse DOES charge for it's services and also fund raise. Horse Evacuations East is run by Michelle Devinney Schmoll and she was also one of the original administrators of the Leland Neff Flood Horse Page. She was the one asking for donations (that Mr Neff never requested) and also insisted that everything go through her. Ms Schmoll, is documented as discouraging people from going to help search for the horses and insisting that everything flow through her. Remember that Mr. Neff himself was not permitted to comment or post things to this page and make his needs known. As a friend of his, I can attest that the only thing he ever asked for was for a saddle to be loaned to him and that he have people to come help him search.
Ms Schmoll IS friends with Debbie Hanson (RMHP) and almost immediately after she withdrew her help from the search for these horses, RMHP's article shows up. Since that time, there have been repeated efforts to slander and spread malicious rumors and lies about Mr Neff which has not only added to his grief during this tragedy, but damaged his reputation. At no time has RMHP spoken to people that actually know Mr Neff or have been present at his farm. The one person they quoted in their article, Mark Tessier, took it upon himself to allegedly search for the horses and only `found' the four horses that were never missing. He then loaded them up and took them to his home. It was at this point Mr Neff was advised, by Ms Schmoll, to call the police and to go pick up his horses. Tessier then asked to be paid for his efforts. He had a history with Mr Neff prior to the flood as a farrier that Mr Neff chose not to use twice and had his own personal axe to grind. Throughout this ordeal Tessier and his brother were seen to make several comments on the `high dollar value' of Mr Neff's horses. Mr Neff himself never described them as anything other than his beloved family.
Joe and Kim French, who are related to Tessier were also made admins on the flood page by Ms Schmoll and proceeded to slander Mr Neff on various websites and media outlets under various pseudonyms (steeldust etc.) These same people remain friends of Ms Schmoll. It would take several pages to reveal all the layers of this tragedy. The fact remains that Rate My Horse Horse Pro did not seek out the `truth', but instead went for the sensationalist angle by only speaking to those people that had never met Mr Neff, but felt slighted in some ways. They made zero attempt at contacting people that were present at the scene or know Mr Neff. This situation had received national attention through respected publications such as The Bloodhorse magazine and was a boon to their ratings. Given the partnership with RMHP and Netposse that came about after this ordeal and the fact that Ms Schmoll is now a good friend of Ms Hanson, it is fairly easy to see, through the timing of these articles, where the information was being fed and who was feeding RMHP the sources to contact. The only real mystery that remains is `why'?
Ms Schmoll IS friends with Debbie Hanson (RMHP) and almost immediately after she withdrew her help from the search for these horses, RMHP's article shows up. Since that time, there have been repeated efforts to slander and spread malicious rumors and lies about Mr Neff which has not only added to his grief during this tragedy, but damaged his reputation. At no time has RMHP spoken to people that actually know Mr Neff or have been present at his farm. The one person they quoted in their article, Mark Tessier, took it upon himself to allegedly search for the horses and only `found' the four horses that were never missing. He then loaded them up and took them to his home. It was at this point Mr Neff was advised, by Ms Schmoll, to call the police and to go pick up his horses. Tessier then asked to be paid for his efforts. He had a history with Mr Neff prior to the flood as a farrier that Mr Neff chose not to use twice and had his own personal axe to grind. Throughout this ordeal Tessier and his brother were seen to make several comments on the `high dollar value' of Mr Neff's horses. Mr Neff himself never described them as anything other than his beloved family.
Joe and Kim French, who are related to Tessier were also made admins on the flood page by Ms Schmoll and proceeded to slander Mr Neff on various websites and media outlets under various pseudonyms (steeldust etc.) These same people remain friends of Ms Schmoll. It would take several pages to reveal all the layers of this tragedy. The fact remains that Rate My Horse Horse Pro did not seek out the `truth', but instead went for the sensationalist angle by only speaking to those people that had never met Mr Neff, but felt slighted in some ways. They made zero attempt at contacting people that were present at the scene or know Mr Neff. This situation had received national attention through respected publications such as The Bloodhorse magazine and was a boon to their ratings. Given the partnership with RMHP and Netposse that came about after this ordeal and the fact that Ms Schmoll is now a good friend of Ms Hanson, it is fairly easy to see, through the timing of these articles, where the information was being fed and who was feeding RMHP the sources to contact. The only real mystery that remains is `why'?
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What's this? #48 General Comment
Some clarification and corections....
AUTHOR: straightening out some facts - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Friday, January 27, 2012
In regard to the issue with Mr. Neff and the unfortunate loss of his 22 horses - NetPosse is not and does not represent themselves as a search and rescue organization - they are a RESOURCE for getting information out to media, law enforcement and local volunteers. The fliers that were made up DID have contact information on them for Mr. Neff - and all of the information to the best of my knowledge was submitted by HIM - fliers were distributed within DAYS of the incident - and word was spread throughout the County to and/all responders in the area. This included the Fire Service, Police, National Guard, etc. As for people being turned away from going to help - there was a State of Emergency declared in the County, and only Emergency Vehicles were allowed on the roads - furthermore, it was VERY difficult to go anywhere in the County due to the widespread damage - there were places that were inaccessible for WEEKS after the flooding due to roads being washed away. It needs to be remembered that THOUSANDS of people were affected by the flooding, in a large/widespread area - some people are acting like they were the only one affected.
Many people who are currently 'supporting' Mr. Neff through Facebook and other places have never met him - having seen at least one video that he posted publicly, there are 2 sides to every story and an edited video clip does NOT tell the whole story.
It is unfortunate that the focus has been taken off the loss of the horses and now appears to be directed toward forwarding personal agendas.
Many people who are currently 'supporting' Mr. Neff through Facebook and other places have never met him - having seen at least one video that he posted publicly, there are 2 sides to every story and an edited video clip does NOT tell the whole story.
It is unfortunate that the focus has been taken off the loss of the horses and now appears to be directed toward forwarding personal agendas.
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What's this? #49 Consumer Comment
Facts - Not Facts
AUTHOR: Storm Horses - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, January 26, 2012
As a representative of Horse Evacuations East, we did not try to hitch our wagon to Mr. Neff's "star" to further our "business."
First and foremost we are NOT a business... we are a group of volunteer administrators that provide a central location for horse owners needing emergency shelter or transport in the wake of a disaster. We had and have nothing to gain from Mr. Neff's plight. We do not have sponsors, or funding of any kind, and do not charge any fees for the time and effort our administrators do on their own time, and with their own resources to help horse owners move their horses out of harms way.
In addition, Netposse does not promote themselves as a "search and rescue" organization.
First and foremost we are NOT a business... we are a group of volunteer administrators that provide a central location for horse owners needing emergency shelter or transport in the wake of a disaster. We had and have nothing to gain from Mr. Neff's plight. We do not have sponsors, or funding of any kind, and do not charge any fees for the time and effort our administrators do on their own time, and with their own resources to help horse owners move their horses out of harms way.
In addition, Netposse does not promote themselves as a "search and rescue" organization.
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What's this? #50 General Comment
Facts
AUTHOR: Twenty Two Angels - (Canada)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, January 26, 2012
Unlike the sources that RMHP got their information from, the majority of the Leland's supporters have known him before the tragedy and many have been present at this home. He has shared his siutation openly and has documented for years. RMHP reported opinion as fact and never once went took the word of any legitimate source or asked for the credentials of the people seeking to damage him. Instead, they went on a witch huntn to discredit some supporters of Leland's and added that to their page. When these claims were proven to be false in a court of law, RMHP did not see fit to print a retraction or update on those stories.
Also disturbing is the real person behind RMHP and her efforts to boost her own ratings. Debbie Goad Hanson is the actual person behind RMHP, yet she will boost stats under username Back Bay Farms among others. Back Bay Farms is owned by Gene Hansen and currently listed for sale for 10.5 million dollars. A quick google search of him brings up some things that she would gleefully post about other people on her little site.
Further, Debbie Hanson is great friends with Michelle Devinney Schmoll and Debi Bailey Metcalfe. Two people that turned on Mr Neff without ever having met him or asked him what his needs where. They were admittedly mainly interested in attaching their wagon to his plight as he was receiving national attention and they thought it would be a great opportunity to further their own business interests. Mainly Netposse aka Stolen Horse International and Horse Evacuations East.
Schmoll was interested in gathering as many donations as possible (despite the fact that Mr Neff NEVER asked for anything besides the loan of a saddle and HELP searching) and turning away offers of hands-on help. (all of this is documented and able to be proven). She did not allow Leland to post on his own page or have a voice at all in the early days of this tragedy. She gave administration rights to the very people that were slandering him, yet haven't met him to this very day.
Netposse, came onboard and posted links about this tragedy far and wide. The problem was, that Mr Neff had no access to the information they were provided nor was he listed as a contact should a horse be found. It also turns out that Netposse doesn't actually `do' anything than post on their website. They have no ground search people or offer any kind of hands on help at all. They post up flyers for people to distribute. In Mr Neff's case, the ones printed and distributed around by good hearted people, did not have HIM as a contact person should anything be found.
So, with the line drawn and clear relationship between Hanson, Schmoll and NetPosse, it becomes easy to see that these three women got together to use Mr Neff's tragedy to boost ratings for their own sites and when he wouldn't keep quiet and let them run his show, they turned on him and joined forces to destroy his reputation.
RMHP did NOT seek out the testimony of any of the people that know Leland Neff or had attended at his farm. These people include professional horse people and vetrinarians. In fact, when they offered their views, their posts were deleted.
Also, RMHP is supposed to be to rate equine PROFESSIONALS. Leland Neff is NOT nor has ever claimed to be a professional. He is a private breeder and artist. He did not take his horses to auctions, he did not teach lessons or train outside horses. Should he decide to show at sanctioned events, he would be in the Amateur/Owner category. Why is he being targetted by a site that is advertises them as an industry watchdog? What did Mr Neff gain from any of this or did he stand to gain? He merely wanted in person assistance to search for his beloved animals that were lost in a flood. He was not the only person to lose their animals in that flood, yet he alone is being crucified. The have been asked over and over, but RMHP has never been able to tell anybody exactly what they thought Mr. Neff stood to gain by lying about his horses.
Also disturbing is the real person behind RMHP and her efforts to boost her own ratings. Debbie Goad Hanson is the actual person behind RMHP, yet she will boost stats under username Back Bay Farms among others. Back Bay Farms is owned by Gene Hansen and currently listed for sale for 10.5 million dollars. A quick google search of him brings up some things that she would gleefully post about other people on her little site.
Further, Debbie Hanson is great friends with Michelle Devinney Schmoll and Debi Bailey Metcalfe. Two people that turned on Mr Neff without ever having met him or asked him what his needs where. They were admittedly mainly interested in attaching their wagon to his plight as he was receiving national attention and they thought it would be a great opportunity to further their own business interests. Mainly Netposse aka Stolen Horse International and Horse Evacuations East.
Schmoll was interested in gathering as many donations as possible (despite the fact that Mr Neff NEVER asked for anything besides the loan of a saddle and HELP searching) and turning away offers of hands-on help. (all of this is documented and able to be proven). She did not allow Leland to post on his own page or have a voice at all in the early days of this tragedy. She gave administration rights to the very people that were slandering him, yet haven't met him to this very day.
Netposse, came onboard and posted links about this tragedy far and wide. The problem was, that Mr Neff had no access to the information they were provided nor was he listed as a contact should a horse be found. It also turns out that Netposse doesn't actually `do' anything than post on their website. They have no ground search people or offer any kind of hands on help at all. They post up flyers for people to distribute. In Mr Neff's case, the ones printed and distributed around by good hearted people, did not have HIM as a contact person should anything be found.
So, with the line drawn and clear relationship between Hanson, Schmoll and NetPosse, it becomes easy to see that these three women got together to use Mr Neff's tragedy to boost ratings for their own sites and when he wouldn't keep quiet and let them run his show, they turned on him and joined forces to destroy his reputation.
RMHP did NOT seek out the testimony of any of the people that know Leland Neff or had attended at his farm. These people include professional horse people and vetrinarians. In fact, when they offered their views, their posts were deleted.
Also, RMHP is supposed to be to rate equine PROFESSIONALS. Leland Neff is NOT nor has ever claimed to be a professional. He is a private breeder and artist. He did not take his horses to auctions, he did not teach lessons or train outside horses. Should he decide to show at sanctioned events, he would be in the Amateur/Owner category. Why is he being targetted by a site that is advertises them as an industry watchdog? What did Mr Neff gain from any of this or did he stand to gain? He merely wanted in person assistance to search for his beloved animals that were lost in a flood. He was not the only person to lose their animals in that flood, yet he alone is being crucified. The have been asked over and over, but RMHP has never been able to tell anybody exactly what they thought Mr. Neff stood to gain by lying about his horses.
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What's this? #51 Consumer Comment
Thank you Rip Off Report!
AUTHOR: gingergirl - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, January 26, 2012
Thank you! Finally something is being done about their constant slander and lies! Rate My Horse Pro.. claims to be the "watchdog" of the equine world, the truth is they are nothing more than a swarm of piranhas feeding off of rumors and lies.
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What's this? #52 Consumer Comment
I searched with Leland and can verify his entire story.
AUTHOR: Ratemyhorseproisgarbage - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, January 26, 2012
I did not know Leland before the flood. I was a volunteer that helped him search for his horses along with others. All of us who directly assisted him share his pain at the garbage that Rate My Horse Pro is spreading about him. We know none of the people associated with Rate My Horse Pro were ever involved in the search in any way and have never spoken to anyone directly involved in the search. I have nothing to gain either way, my sorrow is purely for a man that I met who I witnessed going through a horrible tragedy, then watched him get dragged through the mud again by Rate My Horse Pro for no reason at all. Rate My Horse Pro claims to be a site that rates professional trainers for people who are looking for services, so why would they do this to someone who is not a trainer, has not done anyone any harm, has not done anything except love his horses?
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What's this? #53 Consumer Comment
Who is the one slandering here?
AUTHOR: An Observer - (USA)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, January 26, 2012
I'm curious about these self-professed supporters of this Neff character. Did any of them contact any local law enforcement,
district attorney's officials, emergency management officials, disaster victims/witnesses, and volunteers? Or are they all just going on Neff's word of the situation? If Neff had something to hide it's highly unlikely he would come clean about it, especially to people who fervently and blindly support him. RMHP is impartial. If people were getting banned, I suspect it is because they were making untruthful slanderous statements towards RMHP with absolutely no proof to back that up. No business has to allow that on a public forum.
It seems people can try to ruin reputations for less than $5 too, as I see people doing here towards RMHP for free, with all their slanderous statements. For those accusing RMHP of not using facts in the story, I'd certainly like to know *their* sources as well. Did they also interview law enforcement officials, or are they simply going on Neff's and his supporters words?
district attorney's officials, emergency management officials, disaster victims/witnesses, and volunteers? Or are they all just going on Neff's word of the situation? If Neff had something to hide it's highly unlikely he would come clean about it, especially to people who fervently and blindly support him. RMHP is impartial. If people were getting banned, I suspect it is because they were making untruthful slanderous statements towards RMHP with absolutely no proof to back that up. No business has to allow that on a public forum.
It seems people can try to ruin reputations for less than $5 too, as I see people doing here towards RMHP for free, with all their slanderous statements. For those accusing RMHP of not using facts in the story, I'd certainly like to know *their* sources as well. Did they also interview law enforcement officials, or are they simply going on Neff's and his supporters words?
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What's this? #54 General Comment
Leland Neff 22 Horses Lost
AUTHOR: Truth for 22 - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, January 26, 2012
In the aftermath of Hurricane Irene Mr Neff lost 22 horses to the raging flood-waters that were the result of the hurricane.
RateMyHorsePro provided to the equine internet world a story containing false, malicious and vindictive information hat has all but destroyed the reputation of a wonderful horseman and brilliant equine artist.
This article was based on information given to them by people who, for reasons of PR for themselves, decided to interfere in the physical search and rescue of Mr Neff's 22 horses. None of the information was as fact. The story was checked by speaking with neighbors and tradesmen and their "kin" all who had a personal axes to grind.
In my opinion, if you are going to trash a person'e reputation, facts should be verified and cross checked before publishing them either via the internet, in print or through the media.
When trying to comment in a positive manner to the report published by RMHP comments were blocked. Only the negative comments were allowed.
How can an agency that professes reporting truth to the equine world be allowed to report so much false information?
RateMyHorsePro provided to the equine internet world a story containing false, malicious and vindictive information hat has all but destroyed the reputation of a wonderful horseman and brilliant equine artist.
This article was based on information given to them by people who, for reasons of PR for themselves, decided to interfere in the physical search and rescue of Mr Neff's 22 horses. None of the information was as fact. The story was checked by speaking with neighbors and tradesmen and their "kin" all who had a personal axes to grind.
In my opinion, if you are going to trash a person'e reputation, facts should be verified and cross checked before publishing them either via the internet, in print or through the media.
When trying to comment in a positive manner to the report published by RMHP comments were blocked. Only the negative comments were allowed.
How can an agency that professes reporting truth to the equine world be allowed to report so much false information?
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What's this? #55 General Comment
Skewed Journalism
AUTHOR: Twenty Two Angels - (Canada)
SUBMITTED: Wednesday, January 04, 2012
Rate My Horse Pro, was not interested in hearing from any of Mr. Neff's supporters or people that were actually close to the situation. When attempts were made to clarify the facts of Mr. Neff's tragedy on their comment section, they removed posts that were in support of Mr. Neff and gave free rein to those seeking to destroy his reputation. The removed comments contained no profanity or accusations, but rather clarification of facts. At no time, was RMHP interested in hearing any other view than the sensionalist scandal they linked all over the internet to boost their readership. They contacted Mr Neff in the height of his tragedy, without identifying themselves and then twisted his words and omitted details that would have rendered their article nothing more than sad news.
For $5 anybody can ruin a person's reputation on that site and RMHP does NOTHING to verify reports. In fact, their Terms of Use state that they can and will remove any and all posts they don't like, without reason or justification and ban users without a refund of their fees. In order to check your own ratings on that site, you need to pay them their fee. You don't even have to register with them to have them rate you and trash your reputation. I question the legality and legitimacy of a website that charges you money to defend yourself or will post links and articles far and wide in an effort to boost their readership. They also do nothing to verify the people rating as to their professionalism or even if they were customers or clients of the person they are slandering. They claim their $5 is identity verification, but really what does it verify other than the person has access to a credit card or paypal account? It certainly doesn't verify that they have, ever have had or know anything about horses or horse professionals.
For $5 anybody can ruin a person's reputation on that site and RMHP does NOTHING to verify reports. In fact, their Terms of Use state that they can and will remove any and all posts they don't like, without reason or justification and ban users without a refund of their fees. In order to check your own ratings on that site, you need to pay them their fee. You don't even have to register with them to have them rate you and trash your reputation. I question the legality and legitimacy of a website that charges you money to defend yourself or will post links and articles far and wide in an effort to boost their readership. They also do nothing to verify the people rating as to their professionalism or even if they were customers or clients of the person they are slandering. They claim their $5 is identity verification, but really what does it verify other than the person has access to a credit card or paypal account? It certainly doesn't verify that they have, ever have had or know anything about horses or horse professionals.
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What's this? #56 UPDATE Employee
Leland Neff Comes Clean: A Work of Art
AUTHOR: Rate My Horse PRO - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Monday, January 02, 2012
We invite you to read our news story, Leland Neff Comes Clean: A Work of Art, and judge our reporting of the facts for yourself. Rate My Horse PRO reported the Neff story following weeks of research and interviews with local law enforcement, district attorney's officials, emergency management officials, disaster victims/witnesses, volunteers who had first-hand information, and Mr. Neff.
We decided to print the story when evidence indicated Mr. Neff was concealing the discovery of deceased horses on his property. We do not pretend to know why Mr. Neff concealed the discoveries. What we do know is that he was engaging in an aggressive PR campaign claiming all of the horses were still missing. We believe the positive impact of our reporting is best illustrated by the fact that Mr. Neff immediately disclosed his discovery after his interview with us for our story.
Reporting the truth rarely makes one popular with the people who seek to conceal it.
We decided to print the story when evidence indicated Mr. Neff was concealing the discovery of deceased horses on his property. We do not pretend to know why Mr. Neff concealed the discoveries. What we do know is that he was engaging in an aggressive PR campaign claiming all of the horses were still missing. We believe the positive impact of our reporting is best illustrated by the fact that Mr. Neff immediately disclosed his discovery after his interview with us for our story.
Reporting the truth rarely makes one popular with the people who seek to conceal it.
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What's this? #57 Consumer Comment
RATE MY HORSE PRO NEEDS TO BE SHUT DOWN
AUTHOR: Ratemyhorseproisgarbage - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Monday, January 02, 2012
This site has created an internet slander campaign about Leland Neff, who lost his 22 horses in the Irene aftermath. Those of us who have participated in the search for his missing horses have all been shocked at how Rate My Horse Pro took advantage of his tragedy to print an article packed with lies about him and boost their ratings. For more information, see the Leland Neff Flood Horses page on Facebook.
If you own horses and you offend the wrong person beware, Rate My Horse Pro could do more damage to you than you thought possible! They can print as many lies as they want and get away with it (and they will only accept agreement with their point of view on their site, all others get blocked and deleted.) They will only be stopped if someone with a lot of money drops a huge lawsuit in their lap. There is no way they could ever win it because what they write is either copied from others or pure make-believe.
If you own horses and you offend the wrong person beware, Rate My Horse Pro could do more damage to you than you thought possible! They can print as many lies as they want and get away with it (and they will only accept agreement with their point of view on their site, all others get blocked and deleted.) They will only be stopped if someone with a lot of money drops a huge lawsuit in their lap. There is no way they could ever win it because what they write is either copied from others or pure make-believe.
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What's this? #58 Consumer Comment
The irony and the hypocrisy
AUTHOR: An Observer - (USA)
SUBMITTED: Friday, November 04, 2011
How ironic that Cristina seems to be doing the exact same thing she accuses Rate My Horse Pro of doing - someone who doesn't check their facts, disregards the truth, and leaving false statements. And on top of that trying to scam people by writing multiple comments under aliases. Seems to me, where there is smoke there is fire. This does not appear to be an honest person and they appear to be vindictively attacking and slandering the reputation of someone who has allowed the truth to come out about them. Someone should write a rip-off report about the original author. Seems they need it.
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What's this? #59 Consumer Comment
Nice try, Cristina.
AUTHOR: Flynrider - (USA)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, October 20, 2011
Hey Cristina, I'm just a casual observer on this site, but I couldn't help noticing that you tried to pull one over on the readers of this thread.
In your original post, you identified yourself as Maria. In your next rebuttal, you changed your user name to Cristina and claimed that you were not the original poster. Unfortunately, you don't know how this site works. You can't switch identities as easy as that. If you'll notice, your first rebuttal as "Cristina" also say "Update by Author". The site knows that you made the original post and now all of the rest of us do too.
Your credibility is questionable.
In your original post, you identified yourself as Maria. In your next rebuttal, you changed your user name to Cristina and claimed that you were not the original poster. Unfortunately, you don't know how this site works. You can't switch identities as easy as that. If you'll notice, your first rebuttal as "Cristina" also say "Update by Author". The site knows that you made the original post and now all of the rest of us do too.
Your credibility is questionable.
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What's this? #60 General Comment
Check the Facts as RMHP did.
AUTHOR: Equine Rescue - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, October 18, 2011
I have recently come upon the Rate My Horse Pro site while dealing with the Mr. Neff flood horse's situation. Rate My Horse Pro has been one of the only reports done that did actually check their facts and speak directly with neighbors and volunteers that are all willing to swear to their statements. They also researched the county records department and stated exactly what was found as public records in them.
Being directly involved with this case and passing along all the info and findings that I have dealt with to Authorities, I know what they stated in their articles on this matter as truth and facts. I believe soon the rest of the news media will also catch up to speed on these matters but Rate My Horse Pro will have led the way.
Being directly involved with this case and passing along all the info and findings that I have dealt with to Authorities, I know what they stated in their articles on this matter as truth and facts. I believe soon the rest of the news media will also catch up to speed on these matters but Rate My Horse Pro will have led the way.
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What's this? #61 Author of original report
why bother
AUTHOR: Cristina - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, October 18, 2011
Ok, so lots of people speak up for me and defend me. I cant control what people do and this site doesnt promise that person posting IS the correct person. I pretty much stand by just wanting all you idiots to leave me alone.
In case you missed it. I FILED THE LAWSUIT! And I GOT MY HORSES BACK. So who is really wrong here? And I love how you invite people to rank me. Why bother you delete the postive and leave the negative. Same thing you do on threads. A vet told you how wrong you where in the Lealand Nuff case and you just deleted and blocked a VET! You know who that is right? Somebody who went to school, an expert in their field and is a REAL pro.
The hell with the truth, its rather boring. Lets sling mud around and heaven forbid somebody post a little truth about you.
This is Cristina Kirk, I dont live in where they say but whatever I also dont provide the services they claim and have bene ranked negative on. Way to check your facts RMHP!
However i am glad people are sharing my story. However they choose to do it. They have wronged many and I am glad to see people take a stand. Contact me if you want the full story.
In case you missed it. I FILED THE LAWSUIT! And I GOT MY HORSES BACK. So who is really wrong here? And I love how you invite people to rank me. Why bother you delete the postive and leave the negative. Same thing you do on threads. A vet told you how wrong you where in the Lealand Nuff case and you just deleted and blocked a VET! You know who that is right? Somebody who went to school, an expert in their field and is a REAL pro.
The hell with the truth, its rather boring. Lets sling mud around and heaven forbid somebody post a little truth about you.
This is Cristina Kirk, I dont live in where they say but whatever I also dont provide the services they claim and have bene ranked negative on. Way to check your facts RMHP!
However i am glad people are sharing my story. However they choose to do it. They have wronged many and I am glad to see people take a stand. Contact me if you want the full story.
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What's this? #62 Consumer Comment
Rate My Horse Pro is vindictive and mean to consumers
AUTHOR: Mackenzie Colbert - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, October 18, 2011
I have witnessed the malicious attacks that Rate My Horse Pro poses towards people when they are in a crisis situation. They take people's opinions as facts, then make up ludicrous stories about them as though they are real reports. These people are victims not only of losing a horse to theft or natural disasters, but to the hate of what is supposed to be a professional company. Two people that I know have had their horses stolen and lost in a flood, and instead of this "professional" company lending them a hand by reposting their links to saving these horses, they get false stories posted about them instead, saying they starve or abuse their horses!
If you are going to call yourselves professionals, then you need to act like it. Start helping people instead of carrying out your malicious, vindictive, manipulative acts against them! Do your research! Not everyone who gives you information is telling the truth. Sometimes they, themselves, are vindictive and looking to hurt this person. Maybe before you post a thread claiming someone is abusive (which is a VERY serious charge, fyi), you should look into ALL the facts... I'm very tired of seeing these "professional" people carry out their own personal vendettas against people they barely know. The internet is a wonderful thing that can help many people, but it can also destroy lives and reputations when mis-used, as Rate My Horse Pro is doing.
I would not recommend this site to anyone, considering they have already attacked two of my friends' reputations and characters for no reason whatsoever.
If you are going to call yourselves professionals, then you need to act like it. Start helping people instead of carrying out your malicious, vindictive, manipulative acts against them! Do your research! Not everyone who gives you information is telling the truth. Sometimes they, themselves, are vindictive and looking to hurt this person. Maybe before you post a thread claiming someone is abusive (which is a VERY serious charge, fyi), you should look into ALL the facts... I'm very tired of seeing these "professional" people carry out their own personal vendettas against people they barely know. The internet is a wonderful thing that can help many people, but it can also destroy lives and reputations when mis-used, as Rate My Horse Pro is doing.
I would not recommend this site to anyone, considering they have already attacked two of my friends' reputations and characters for no reason whatsoever.
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What's this? #63 Author of original report
wrong person.....
AUTHOR: Cristina - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, October 18, 2011
This proves you have upset several people with false claims.... You are calling out the wrong person here. I will contact her, if I can... Cristina may have more to add to the story I have heard.... I just heard the appalling story (as well as having my own) and saw the facts unfold about her and Mr Nuff just to list a few of your targets...As long as negative ranking are listed on people regarding services they dont provide your side is and should be regarded as nothing more then gossip. And frankly the equine world has enough of that
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What's this? #64 UPDATE Employee
Horse Trainer Cristina Kirk
AUTHOR: Rate My Horse PRO - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, October 18, 2011
Cristina Kirk, who is the poster of the above comment, now lives in Oskaloosa Kansas. She provided horse training services in Missouri prior to her move.
No person involved in the lawsuit rated Ms. Kirk which her attorney was made aware of. Rate My Horse PRO has more than 50 pages of documentation of Ms. Kirk and her friends making allegations on Facebook that are untrue.
Rate My Horse PRO will not be popular with those doing bad business; much like the Rip Off Report, but it isn't meant to be a popularity contest.
So if you have done business in the past with Cristina Kirk rate her at http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com
No person involved in the lawsuit rated Ms. Kirk which her attorney was made aware of. Rate My Horse PRO has more than 50 pages of documentation of Ms. Kirk and her friends making allegations on Facebook that are untrue.
Rate My Horse PRO will not be popular with those doing bad business; much like the Rip Off Report, but it isn't meant to be a popularity contest.
So if you have done business in the past with Cristina Kirk rate her at http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com
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