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Complaint Review: Red Light Center / Utherverse

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  • Submitted: Mon, April 07, 2008
  • Updated: Tue, May 19, 2009

  • Reported By:Portland Oregon
Red Light Center / Utherverse
redlightcenter.com Internet U.S.A.
  • Phone: 877-3494752
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Red Light Center / Utherverse Company allows chat site moderators to place biases, the site is terribly run Vancouver Internet

*Consumer Comment: A Satisfied User

*Consumer Comment: It Has the Good and the Bad

*Consumer Comment: Expand Your Fantasy...

*Consumer Comment: Poor Frank

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This site is for socially and mentally dysfunctional people. And if you don't fit into that category, everything you say and do will be contrary to the actions and thoughts of the site. You will eventually be banned and lose your subscriber fees already paid. The site is selectively communistic, permitting certain users (who live there and kiss ass to staff) to do as they chose, while others are subjected to communistic style restrictions on freedom of speech, even normal speech.

Understand this, 95% of the people on this site are uneducated and low-income. And it is highly likely that a large percentage of the males have spent time in prison based upon my psychoanalysis of users. Others are complete nerds...not the smart kind..just the ugly and stupid kind who were laughed at in school.

I was surprised when I experienced such low IQs on this site. But it gets worse..the RCL staff..these guys are major brainless losers who are constantly trying to get cybersex for members. I cannot believe how dense many of them are. Aside from their sub-human stupidity, they ALL play favorites with regular users who live on the site. It is clear that most of them are jobless and perhaps living in mom's basement. And the users (mainly girls) kiss ass to the staff to get preferential treatment in times of dispute.

In short, I would not waste my time or money on the site, unless you are completely dysfunctional. If you are you will fit in well. You cannot expect much from a site created by the online porn industry. The graphics and user functions are great, but it is the worst run chat site in the history of the Internet. It's a shame management is clueless.

Frank
Portland, Oregon
U.S.A.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 04/07/2008 08:10 AM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Red-Light-Center-Utherverse/internet/Red-Light-Center-Utherverse-Company-allows-chat-site-moderators-to-place-biases-the-sit-324215. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Consumer Comment

A Satisfied User

AUTHOR: The Great Wazoo - (U.S.A.)

Steve
Portland, Oregon

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This site is for socially and mentally dysfunctional people. And if you don't fit into that category, everything you say and do will be contrary to the actions and thoughts of the site.

>>Apparently you weren't there too long or were extremely rude to others there. RLC will only be enjoyable by those that are able to interact socially with others. Intelligent, lucid conversations do take place all around the site, tho many are with friends in their private zaby's.


You will eventually be banned and lose your subscriber fees already paid.

>>If you violate rules, you should expect to be banned. There is a ToS. It also states that you will not get a refund if banned,

The site is selectively communistic, permitting certain users (who live there and kiss ass to staff) to do as they chose, while others are subjected to communistic style restrictions on freedom of speech, even normal speech.

>>Oh? During my time there, I've never encountered that. Possibly you might have been using "hate" language? That is covered in the ToS. As for "restrictions on freedoms of speech", you are using a private service and therefore are required to follow the guidelines the provider sets forth. It is not a public service.

Understand this, 95% of the people on this site are uneducated and low-income. And it is highly likely that a large percentage of the males have spent time in prison based upon my psychoanalysis of users. Others are complete nerds...not the smart kind..just the ugly and stupid kind who were laughed at in school.

>>Kindly present the statistics you've seen and where you got them. Without any credible, reliable sources stated, your pronouncements are invalid hearsay and, most likely, personal opinion.

I was surprised when I experienced such low IQs on this site.

>>May I again see your sources. This is, again, personal opinion.

But it gets worse..the RCL staff..these guys are major brainless losers who are constantly trying to get cybersex for members.

>>Pray tell, what WAS your reason for joining an ADULT chat site?

I cannot believe how dense many of them are. Aside from their sub-human stupidity, they ALL play favorites with regular users who live on the site.

>>More ad hominem attacks. Think hard, sir. Don't MOST subscription based businesses treat long-term regulars slightly better than the short-term, or trial users?
It's good business to keep customers.

It is clear that most of them are jobless and perhaps living in mom's basement. And the users (mainly girls) kiss ass to the staff to get preferential treatment in times of dispute.

>>Again, state your sources for your statements.

In short, I would not waste my time or money on the site, unless you are completely dysfunctional.

>>Ad hominem attacks again. Sir, you need to provide facts with your bombast.


If you are you will fit in well. You cannot expect much from a site created by the online porn industry.

>> Oh, then you must have visited many other sites of a similar type to make that opinion.

The graphics and user functions are great, but it is the worst run chat site in the history of the Internet.

>> If it is, then it should not be in existence. Even in the porn industry, you need to be well-run in order to survive. Oh, could you also state your sources for your statement again. Making claims that cannot be checked does little to prove your argument.

It's a shame management is clueless.

>>Is this simply because you were banned, or can you state your reasons and examples for your statement?

Frank

>>Frank????? I thought this was posted by Steve. Do you have a split-persona or can't you keep track of what name you're using? Please sir, if you want to be taken seriously, at the very least, be consistent with your name.

Portland, Oregon
U.S.A.


>>the great wazoo
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#2 Consumer Comment

It Has the Good and the Bad

AUTHOR: Charlotte The Harlot - (U.S.A.)

I am a school teacher in real life, a mother of 4, married 28 years. I am working on my Master's in Education with one semester to go, and will continue on to get my Ph.D. I am a professional. Combined income in our household is 6 figures. I'm not a degenerate, not a pervert, not a sex-starved nymphomaniac - I'm simply a woman with some fantasies who likes to chat online and discovered in RLC a cool way to chat with people around the world about things we have in common (I'm a musician as well as a teacher, and my conversations usually revolve around Metal music, guitars, and education), and... explore some cyber-fantasies as well.

First of all, there's a whole lot of truth to what "Satisfied" says in his rebuttal. But I must say from my own experience with Utherverse that what Steve/Frank (he can't seem to make up his mind what his name is) says does have the ring of truth as well.

Overall, I am satisfied with my experience at Red Light Center/Utherverse. I have made some good friends, have interesting experiences, explore fantasies, and help to build a world where I can be me, and share "me" with people from all walks of life.

Friends I have met on RLC include a pilot in the Kenyan Army; a man with Cerebral Palsy who is, thru the miracle of this technology, able to let his dreams take flight; a man in Greece who has a troubled marriage, but is pulling it back together; a woman in the US who has diabetes and is not able to do as much as she once could; a man who lost his Dad this year, and moved back home to take care of his Mom; college students; a welldigger; an engineering student in India... I could go on and on. These friends are not all about 'anything goes' sex and perversion, they are real people with real lives, and real interests beyond the obvious.

I have also had my share of bad experiences. I've met scam artists who tell you a sob story to either get into your pants, get your rays (RLC's currency), or just get off on filling someone else full of bull. I've met a woman who claimed that "little boys" excite her... and "bathroom sex" (I don't want to know), and... "animals." (Again, I don't want to know.) I feel defiled just to have met this person. I've met guys who assume that because I dress sexy, and am outspoken, that I will spread my legs for them whenever they call. And they have found the hard way that I do not. And there are guys who think that if you are their 'friend,' they can just pop in on top of you (kinda like Star Trek's transporter technology) wherever you happen to be. Lots of rude people on RLC. Lots! But you learn to sort them out, you learn to only make friends with those who you really share an interest with, and you learn to use the IGNORE/BLOCK function on those that you don't want around. I could say more about the really weird people making really obscene suggestions to people they don't know. But you get the idea. BLOCK them and move on. Save the drama fo' yo' Mama.

I've been accused by a member of trying to "come between" two friends of hers, one of whom is the guy mentioned above who was PMing me several times a day, wanting sex. Never gave it to him. And he did not have the guts to tell his RLC girlfriend the truth. Oh well, you find out the hard way that even the Utopia that RLC seems to be is not as perfect as one would hope.

I've been chatting with a friend about nothing more than music, and had the same woman as in the above scenario PM him and "warn" him about me. There was, and is, nothing to warn about. Just because she is there for nothing but unadulterated sex, and her husband is there for, as he says, "T*ts and *ss" does not mean that I am the same way. I have a mind, and I enjoy intellectual stimulation, and I have friends at RLC that are similarly minded. Enough said!

I will stay at RLC because I enjoy it. I have a bit of a life there, and way beyond sex. I have a house that I've designed everything in, and that I can invite friends over for a drink and to listen to my favorite music.

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#3 Consumer Comment

Expand Your Fantasy...

AUTHOR: Satisfied - (United Kingdom)

After reading Franks comments regarding Red Light Center/Utherverse I felt a strong urge to reply.

His long-winded rant smacks heavily of someone who couldn't stick to some very basic rules and when caught and banned indefinitely for continuing to break those basic rules, got a little pissy. That is the crux of the matter - banning in Utherverse doesn't happen suddenly without good reason - I'm sure there are some rule breaches out there that do indeed carry a greater penalty and will get you removed permanently very quickly. I would imagine the majority of these also have legal implications - minors accessing content, using fake ID etc...consider it like a spell in prison - if you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

As far as his other comments, the only socially and mentally dysfunctional person I can see, is Frank himself. He uses his post as a soap box to slam fellow human beings - his list of grievances against his fellow man include, atop the mental and social dysfunction: Uneducated, low-income, felons, ugly, stupid, brainless losers, dense, sub-human and unemployed. To comment on another persons IQ, upbringing or social standing is crass at the very least. In my very humble opinion, it is a weak mind that attacks another with those points.

When it comes to actually considering the business itself, the only part of his so-called "report" with any substance is that the graphics and user functions are "great". He has not given us information pertaining to the business at all.

To consider Utherverse; a business dedicated to "Expanding Your Fantasy..." with a dream to create a Utopian new world where all can live freely as they choose; as a "communistic" styled place, is ridiculous. Freedom of speech is not curtailed, but just like that big real world we all belong to, certain things won't be tolerated. Would a man in the street be allowed the freedom for hate speech? Would a racist tirade be ignored? In Utherverse all people are equal and if those who believe they are not and cannot understand or follow the very basis or humanity, then why would they ever consider that they will be allowed to continue? As I once overheard - in Utherverse to follow the theme - "If you talk shit, be prepared to eat shit". Ne'er a truer word spoken.

Frank in Oregon talks heavily of the "Staff" of Utherverse. Presumably he is actually talking about the large Volunteer team working hard in Utherverse and not the paid Staff. That said however, both the Volunteers and Staff work harder than most can even begin to understand.

As a 'frontline' team the Volunteers start at the lower ranks of Guide to help welcome all new users, get them started with the client, tour them around and answer every conceivable question they can. They work hard, they're out in force and they deserve recognition for the hard work too. On the other end of the scale you have Protectors - those that are there to enforce the rules, act as mediators, try to talk down a situation and at the final extreme make the difficult judgment call on when to remove a user for their behavior. I cannot imagine that that is ever an easy call to make. "Kissing their ass" gets you nowhere. As mentioned previously all people are equal - it doesn't matter who you are friends with, who you are the partner of or who you are having casual sex with for that matter. If you break the rules, expect to be dealt with appropriately.

The in-world teams progress through to Events management too. From the hardworking Hosts and Hostesses providing entertainment and help to those who join Utherverse through to the management team - all work hard to create a world where there is always a party somewhere. From theme nights to the romance of marriages, the list is long, distinguished and diverse.

To discuss the user end client a little, the graphics indeed are high-end with more and more functions being added nearly daily. With a large selection of bars, clubs, hotels, bedrooms, chill out spots and party zones to choose from the end user in Utherverse has a wealth of entertainment at their fingertips. All safe, all protected and all legal. Be it dropping an ecstasy tab and dancing the night away in a club, relaxing on the beaches or checking out the local Bordello for a boozy night of debauchery. Utherverse doesn't have it all, but it has a large percentage of it! And it's growing nearly daily. From Private Venues of user-owned clubs and bars, through to flash gaming - its not the real world, its not perfect - but then isn't that the draw?

Finally a place where you can control everything you see and do - no poverty, no famine, no guns, no bombs. Drink to excess and sober up at the click of a button with no ill-effects. Ignore users who you don't wish to see or speak to in a matter of seconds, effectively erasing them from your world. Meeting people from all walks of life around the globe, finding friends where you least expect them. Experiment in ways you would never have the courage to do in the real world, be it with your personality, your sexuality, your clothing or even your gender. Be who you want to be.

In today's society how many can say they can experience just a little bit of escapism with few drawbacks for only $20 a month? Daily, it's less than the average magazine and unlike those magazines it can last for as long as you want it to. Each day is a new page and you're the Editor in Chief so write your own story.

Is Utherverse perfect? Not at all, nor will it ever be in so very many ways. There is only so much Utopia one person can dream for before they realize they're just human like everyone else. It doesn't matter if the drawbacks are in your fellow users, or because the Beta software isn't as perfect as it could be, because there will always be something. Should that destroy the dream though? If a person is suffering more than they are enjoying, then they have the ultimate choice: stick it out or walk away. Don't threaten it, don't dangle your sword above the heads of those who create Utherverse in the hope that you will be any more special than the other several thousand.

If you want to leave, leave.

The fact most stay, usually complaining about it whilst they do of course, is testament to the SUCCESS of Utherverse, not its demise. Something keeps them there and it doesn't matter if it is the lure of future promises or the hope that it might just get better for them- if you don't care, you don't wait.


So there, we've had the biased "report" from what seems to be a removed user with an axe to grind against his fellow man, to the equally biased report of a user who admits, without reserve, that every second they have spent in Utherverse has been worth their time and money. Every bug, glitch, lag or abusive user has been nothing more than a bump in a long road, because at the end of the day Utherverse isn't the real world - it's your world.
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#4 Consumer Comment

Poor Frank

AUTHOR: Sophiekat - (United Kingdom)

I fear Frank got caught by people much brighter than himself and probably because he thought it was a site with dumb females that he could exploit.

The average person there seems to me to have the equivalent of a US college education. Look at the forums to get erudite discussions on a variety of topics from sex to philospophy together with some quite astute humour.

Maybe Frank isn't used to having to deal with intelligent women but we're not going away Frank.

It's an adult site with adult minds. If that appeals to you try it, otherwise it really isn't the place for most people.
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