- Report: #632510
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Complaint Review: Richard Sain
Richard SainPhoenix AZ, Sedona AZ Sedona, Arizona United States of America
Richard Sain Richie Sain Grifter, Massage Therapist, Conned me out of over $10,000, and rent, attempted marriage, to obtain my assets, posed as nurse/therapist and proceeded to attempt to gain access to my wealth Sedona, Arizona
*UPDATE Employee: Even if he was, so what
*UPDATE Employee: Richard Sain is innocent
*REBUTTAL Owner of company: weird massage guy
*Consumer Comment: Hello Sunshine! ~ Dreamweaver111
*REBUTTAL Owner of company: dreamweaver is a stupid name, you aint weavin my dreams.
*REBUTTAL Owner of company: to dreamweaver
*Consumer Comment: Forgiveness is for You. ~ Dreamweaver111
*Consumer Comment: Thank God!
*Consumer Comment: More abuse
*REBUTTAL Owner of company: further
*Consumer Comment: Pattern of Abuse by Richard
*REBUTTAL Owner of company: to dreamweaver
*REBUTTAL Owner of company: re your need for more info
*REBUTTAL Owner of company: artist?
*REBUTTAL Owner of company: re massage therapist
*REBUTTAL Owner of company: from original poster
*REBUTTAL Owner of company: from original poster
*General Comment: *Transcend*
*General Comment: Peace Love and Good Will
*Consumer Comment: R. Sain Confirms His Lies--Then Makes More of the Same
*General Comment: Sky
*General Comment: Lives In Sedona Thank You !
*Consumer Comment: TO Richard
*Consumer Comment: R. Sain is a Pathological Liar, Beware--Be Very Aware
*UPDATE Employee: Hell Hath no Fury...Indeed.
*General Comment: Lives in Sedona /
*General Comment: Sedona Judge An PD Know of You
*Consumer Comment: Attempted Defamation by R. Sain
*General Comment: Heres A Photo of my Ex Wife And I When We Were
*General Comment: Galen Arthur Hunt ( SKY) http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/publicaccess/
*Consumer Comment: Question To Sedona Man
*General Comment: Know the Truth ... And Respect the Illusion
*General Comment: I Gave My mother My Password
*General Comment: this is Richards mother
*UPDATE Employee: My Bad Experience With R. Sain
*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Awareness To us all !
*Consumer Comment: More information on Richard
*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Realization
*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Vindication
*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Victim is verified!
*Consumer Comment: Looks like you got stroked not massaged
*General Comment: "The Genius in the Crowd"
*General Comment: I actually have a life.
*Consumer Comment: Gee Vance
*General Comment: Embarrassed for you Helene
*General Comment: Misandrist ALERT!!
*Consumer Comment: Sorry
*Consumer Comment: There are enough beer goggles
*Consumer Comment: If This is What You Consider "Handsome"...?
*Author of original report: Ladies Beware of Charming Masseur
*General Comment: vindictive woman/ defamation of character
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Here is a detailed account of my relations with Richard John Sain born 11-20-XXXX SS# xxxxxxxxx
We met in Mount Shasta California in September 2009. Richard is a gruff, tough, but good looking man. He has an excellent body and is charming in every way.
I was attracted to him and knowing he was between jobs, I invited him to come work on the home I had for sale in Seattle WA. I needed some work done and said I could pay him. [continued below]....
When he was in my home, our attraction escalated and we had sexual relations. But as the days passed, I felt exceedingly uncomfortable around him. Something about him made me uneasy.
Let me, for the record, state that I have a history of mental illness. I have been labeled bi-polar and have been hospitalized for the illness. But, truthfully, I think most of the illness has abated and I am, although a perhaps very emotional woman, do not believe I am mentally ill.
I wanted Richard to leave. I did not want him to complete the work. I wanted him gone. He said he would not go because I had promised him the money for the work and that I owed him the money. Not having completed the work, I did not believe I owed him anything. I was frightened of him and wanted him gone.
There is no doubt that Richard soon realized he could get me into a state of extreme agitation, knowing I would strike, and was gathering these instances to use for his case to rob me of my assets. Knowing my mental history, he has over and over used the accusation that I would be taken away and put in jail for "abusing him", when he well knows, it was his method to antagonize me verbally until I got into a state of extreme agitation.
That time, after he did not complete the work on my house, he stole over $600, claiming I owed him money to get home. I did not agree, believing a 42 year old able bodied man should be able to find his own way and not prey upon females, using their weakness to his advantage.
After a week, Richard called and said he loved and missed me. I now believe, he realized he had hit the gold mine with regards to his choice of lifestyle. Find a wealthy woman, use his charm and sexual nature to ingratiate themselves into her life, and lead a comfortable life of no real world employment while he pretends he will soon get work etc...
At that time, with a mixture of fear and confusion and love? I did purchase him the motorhome. At a cost of $3500.
I am attaching a detailed history of the money spent the 9 months we were together. Richard enjoyed a very expensive lifestyle, including high end nutritional supplements, high end organic foods and juices, and expensive shopping habits.
Not to mention that I was also paying all rents and giving him money to fund his "art" work.
(I eventually learned that Richard had been abused as a child. He was taught to steal by relatives, he was sexual assaulted by two of his babysitters, he was abused by his foster care families, and in turn, he did start a cycle of sexual and psychological abuse that he continues to this day. He has been addicted to methamphetamines, and crack cocaine. He claimed to be off drugs, and often preaches religion. I believe Richard is a very sick man. I am sorry for him, but I can not in good conscience allow his deeds to go unpunished.)
At several times in our relationship, I became very uncomfortable and wanted him to go. Several times I suggested that he get his own place while we continued our business/relationship endeavors. I did not feel we had a healthy relationship, indeed it has never been my style to pay for a man's life while he contributes nothing monetarily. I felt the arrangement was inappropriate and wanted it to end.
Richard, however, liked the arrangement very much. He took my keys and made copies. He wouldn't let me out of the house alone. He kept insisting we were making a business.
Several material assets were sacrificed by me in hopes that he would take them and go. I left him a Volvo I purchased in Arizona, for $1500. I gave him $10,000 in December of 2009 with the express purpose of starting his clothing line, money he used to buy music equipment, and "fix his van" he said. I dont think that amount of money could be spent on a late 80's minivan. I believe he may have given the money to his mother. Sandra Messine DePalma.
Other amounts gifted to Richard J Sain in the course of 9 months:
$300 for cd duplication
$1200 for reimbursement of flight to NYC
over to $1000 for flights to Arizona, NYC, and Seattle
$300 (apprx.) for insurance for his van)
$1000 in phone bills for his phone
$2000 (apprx.) for his standing warrant in AZ, for mj possession (classes and fines)
$400 (apprx.) to help pay off his massage school loan
$3500 Toyota Dolphin Motor home in his name.
$2000 (apprx.) for goods in his possession purchased in the guise of starting a trade store, including stereo equipment he used for personal use, a crybaby pedal, a guitar effects machine, clothing, material
$800 for tools intended to use on helping me with my shop
$200 for business licenses held in his name alone
$400 for his son to fly to the US
$250 for mechanical work on the Volvo in Phoenix
$740 for "gas" (on tues May 11, the date he finally left)
$1000 for nutritional supplements
$800 for a canon t2i Camera
$60 for computer speakers
$mental pain and suffering
plus the original 'gift' = $10,000.00 ( in December 2009)
TOTAL = over $22,890.00
(this is an Underestimation, I assure you)
(I will continue to add to the list as I remember all details)
This, in addition to my purchasing all food (dining in and out) (apprx. $2500 a month)
and rents (apprx. $2000 a month)
and bills (apprx. $200 a month)
At the time of the purchase of my 1998 Volvo wagon, we were sitting in the dealer office and it was happening so fast. The dealer wanted to put a name on the title and Richard looked at me and as he told me the vehicle would be intended for our business, I agreed to put both our names on the title.
I want to have this man put in jail. He is currently using his skills to live off other women and/or men. I believe he is also a homosexual
At this current time, however, I am asking for a dissolution to any common law marriage rights, a clean title in my name to both my Volvos, and Richard Sain's name off my residential and commercial leases, all keys returned to me, and a restraining order against him, prohibiting phone calls, emails and visits indefinitely.
I am sure after all of the evidence is reviewed, the court will judge in my favor.
Thank you for your time.
This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 08/17/2010 06:05 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Richard-Sain/Sedona-Arizona-/Richard-Sain-Richie-Sain-Grifter-Massage-Therapist-Conned-me-out-of-over-10000-and-r-632510. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.
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