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| Roni Lynn Deutch 4366 Auburn Blvd
Sacramento, California United States of America |
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Roni Lynn Deutch ripoff They deceived me stating I should only pay $55.00 on a $38000.00 IRS debt Sacramento California
*UPDATE Employee: Amber...
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Two Faced
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: OIC truths, part Deux...
*Consumer Suggestion: OIC Information... current federal employee who is trained in the OIC process, the process is tough!
*Author of original report: Poor Martha Stewart. How come Deutch gets off without prosecution? Roni uses imtimidation on her weak employees like the pushy broad she is
*Author of original report: Poor Martha Stewart. How come Deutch gets off without prosecution? Roni uses imtimidation on her weak employees like the pushy broad she is
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Roni Doesn't Care
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Why, Russell and Scotty?
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Illegal Law And Other Practices?
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: OIC truths
*Consumer Comment: Offer In Compromise. The possible settlement amount isn't based on how much tax is owed.
*Consumer Suggestion: Thanks for the towel
*Consumer Comment: Robert, I can see your point... to a point.
*Author of original report: re:Robert from Hubert NC rebuttal, forget to mention I had been paying the IRS monthly interest and penalty rates the charges just pile up
*Consumer Suggestion: Bankruptcy & Taxes
*Consumer Comment: Bankruptcy
*Consumer Suggestion: Let's see... with an offer of $55, about 1/10 of 1% of your lien, you are amazed. And, when you discover the attorney is a bald faced liar, you get shocked again?
*Consumer Comment: seen her commercials struck by the impossibility of what she was claiming... Eliminate your IRS debt for only $20
*Consumer Suggestion: A number of options
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I contacted Roni Lyn Deutch regarding my IRS debt of $38000.00. I paid Roni L DUetch and they represented me for a total of $3700.00. They submitted to the IRS a compromise of $55.00. which they stated would clear my debt to the IRS of $38000.00. The offer was presented to the IRS and they declined the offer.
A few weeks later I receive a letter from Roni Lynn Deutch's office stating that they are no longer handling my case and that they told me I should contact the IRS to settle my debt. In the very beginning before they took my case I asked would I be better off just contacting the IRS by myself and see if I could settle my debt. They told absolutely DO NOT contact them at all, as they have years of experience working with tax resolutions as they told me they have over 100 years of knowledge since a majority of their office worked with the the IRs. I told them that it was too good to be true and they said that their office would not submit an offer in compromise that they thought would be unrealistic.
Well it was unrealistic according to the IRS. Not only did I have to pay the taxes myself, I was also out of $3700.00 that was paid to this law firm. This is a disgrace and attornies like this give other attorney a bad name. I would love to be involved in a class action law suit. Please do contact me as I am interested in helping me and other victims that were grossly misled. Thank you for your attention regarding this matter. One last note, all of the representatives working at this office very extremely rude and threatened to cut me off If I was delinquent in paying for there services. Their tactics are deplorable, and totally out of line. Thank you again.
Felix the "sucker"
Felix Palmdale, California
U.S.A.
A few weeks later I receive a letter from Roni Lynn Deutch's office stating that they are no longer handling my case and that they told me I should contact the IRS to settle my debt. In the very beginning before they took my case I asked would I be better off just contacting the IRS by myself and see if I could settle my debt. They told absolutely DO NOT contact them at all, as they have years of experience working with tax resolutions as they told me they have over 100 years of knowledge since a majority of their office worked with the the IRs. I told them that it was too good to be true and they said that their office would not submit an offer in compromise that they thought would be unrealistic.
Well it was unrealistic according to the IRS. Not only did I have to pay the taxes myself, I was also out of $3700.00 that was paid to this law firm. This is a disgrace and attornies like this give other attorney a bad name. I would love to be involved in a class action law suit. Please do contact me as I am interested in helping me and other victims that were grossly misled. Thank you for your attention regarding this matter. One last note, all of the representatives working at this office very extremely rude and threatened to cut me off If I was delinquent in paying for there services. Their tactics are deplorable, and totally out of line. Thank you again.
Felix the "sucker"
Felix Palmdale, California
U.S.A.
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To how many threads have you responded as an 'ex-employee?' You must really have a checkered resume!
'more like the other attorneys felt threatened' Give me a break! It was more likely that your 'lawyering' was something like your posts. How could any other attorney be threatened by someone who does not have the ability to put together a decent paragraph, sentence, etc.? You're very difficult to read. And if you were clerical rather than an attorney, why would someone feel threatened by you?
'more like the other attorneys felt threatened' Give me a break! It was more likely that your 'lawyering' was something like your posts. How could any other attorney be threatened by someone who does not have the ability to put together a decent paragraph, sentence, etc.? You're very difficult to read. And if you were clerical rather than an attorney, why would someone feel threatened by you?
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Two Faced
AUTHOR: Amber - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, January 29, 2006
Roni is a prime exapmle of how not to run a bussniess. She runs a sweat house people are affraid for there jobs every day they are there. She claims to pay her emplyees salary but dosent not and only pays them hourly at a rate that is never the same.
She makes crude comments on how she feels about people. She calls her tax directors freaks. The guys that fix the computers are not know by there name but as the geeks.
Now watch EVERY ONE RONI IS GOING TO OPEN A INCOME TAX CENTER WERE SHE WILL BE ABLE TO DO YOUR TAXS. Then she can really rip you off for every thing you have.
As a former employee of the office I along with many others never knew how she had ripped off so many people and would have never worked there if we knew.
But not only does she do this to you guys out there but she has ripped of her own emplyees. I was let go from my job due to the fact that I am to young more like the other attorneys felt threatened.
Another thing Roni's attorneys at her office have never worked at any other law firm other than hers and the are formed to be just as messed up as her.KNOW WHY WOULD YOU TRUST SOMEONE LIKE THAT.
She makes crude comments on how she feels about people. She calls her tax directors freaks. The guys that fix the computers are not know by there name but as the geeks.
Now watch EVERY ONE RONI IS GOING TO OPEN A INCOME TAX CENTER WERE SHE WILL BE ABLE TO DO YOUR TAXS. Then she can really rip you off for every thing you have.
As a former employee of the office I along with many others never knew how she had ripped off so many people and would have never worked there if we knew.
But not only does she do this to you guys out there but she has ripped of her own emplyees. I was let go from my job due to the fact that I am to young more like the other attorneys felt threatened.
Another thing Roni's attorneys at her office have never worked at any other law firm other than hers and the are formed to be just as messed up as her.KNOW WHY WOULD YOU TRUST SOMEONE LIKE THAT.
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What's this? #3 UPDATE EX-employee responds
OIC truths, part Deux...
AUTHOR: TellerofTruth - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Wednesday, September 01, 2004
Thank you Lori, While your comments are appreciated, some of them are far off base. I have personally settled a clients Offer in Compromise for 448.00, from a tax liability of 30,000.00, now by my calculation that is a bit below 1.5 cents on the dollar, so it ABSOLUTELY happens.
I guess you are not part of the C.O.I.C. Unit, nor are you an OIC examiner, it took me a long time to really find out what was realistic and what was not.....you did say something very important, you have to show the I.R.S. that you do not have the ability to pay the debt given your current situation.
Furthermore, an I.R.S. walk in "Site" will NEVER show a taxpayer how to NOT pay them the money that is owed, you even said that...ie. "If you go to an IRS walk in sight we are trained to help you through the process, but as someone said, it is our goal to collect the money.".
Your OIC Process training has a ways to go Lori, I have done this for many years now and it is not all "cut and dried" as you will have folks believe. The IRS gives WRONG advice 72% of the time, this "wrong" advice includes Offers in compromises.
There is an oic calculator on the IRS website, yet you need to know what to look for in getting an offer accepted and Lori, and her fellow employees will NEVER tell you the correct information to get the offer accepted, only processing experience can give you that.
The Law Offices of Roni Lynn Deutch CAN ABSOLUTELY do what they say they can do, However, they always go against what they say they can do, by giving people the run around, sitting on your documentation until it's over 6 months old (the IRS requires documentation to be no older than 6 months), or putting you on a shelf until Scott badgers the HELL out of you until you want to quit the process.
Lastly, I always tell the truth even when it is to support a position from a company I do not agree with. RONI... Get your act together.
I guess you are not part of the C.O.I.C. Unit, nor are you an OIC examiner, it took me a long time to really find out what was realistic and what was not.....you did say something very important, you have to show the I.R.S. that you do not have the ability to pay the debt given your current situation.
Furthermore, an I.R.S. walk in "Site" will NEVER show a taxpayer how to NOT pay them the money that is owed, you even said that...ie. "If you go to an IRS walk in sight we are trained to help you through the process, but as someone said, it is our goal to collect the money.".
Your OIC Process training has a ways to go Lori, I have done this for many years now and it is not all "cut and dried" as you will have folks believe. The IRS gives WRONG advice 72% of the time, this "wrong" advice includes Offers in compromises.
There is an oic calculator on the IRS website, yet you need to know what to look for in getting an offer accepted and Lori, and her fellow employees will NEVER tell you the correct information to get the offer accepted, only processing experience can give you that.
The Law Offices of Roni Lynn Deutch CAN ABSOLUTELY do what they say they can do, However, they always go against what they say they can do, by giving people the run around, sitting on your documentation until it's over 6 months old (the IRS requires documentation to be no older than 6 months), or putting you on a shelf until Scott badgers the HELL out of you until you want to quit the process.
Lastly, I always tell the truth even when it is to support a position from a company I do not agree with. RONI... Get your act together.
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OIC Information... current federal employee who is trained in the OIC process, the process is tough!
AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, August 31, 2004
As a current federal employee who is trained in the OIC process, the process is tough! If you go to an IRS walk in sight we are trained to help you through the process, but as someone said, it is our goal to collect the money. There are other adds out there that say the IRS will settle for pennies on the dollar, this is obviously not true.
The OIC package can be filed on your own, but it's best to contact an account other professional, or the IRS toll free number for assistance. There is currently a 150.00 fee to file the OIC, and it is not refundable.
The IRS looks at your long term earning potential, as well as other factors. You have to be nearly destitute for the IRS to settle with you.
The OIC package can be filed on your own, but it's best to contact an account other professional, or the IRS toll free number for assistance. There is currently a 150.00 fee to file the OIC, and it is not refundable.
The IRS looks at your long term earning potential, as well as other factors. You have to be nearly destitute for the IRS to settle with you.
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What's this? #5 Author of original report
Poor Martha Stewart. How come Deutch gets off without prosecution? Roni uses imtimidation on her weak employees like the pushy broad she is
AUTHOR: Felix - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Monday, August 30, 2004
After reading this site, it is obvious who the employers are but I was aghast at what some of the employers had to say about RONI Lynn Deutch. It sounds like she uses imtimidation on her weak employees who probably have no respect for themselves otherwise why would they be intimidated by her.
I guess when you have no spine or gumption you do as you are told. Bravo to those who quit as they could no longer be deceiving to their clients. I guess they were not brainwashed to their capacity.
When thy told me to pay $55.00 on a $38,000.00 debt I explicitly remember asking the rep how could this be when I own a home. Since I have been single and always worked two 8 hrs jobs a day,(for about 5 yrs) this made me owe the gov't money as at that time (more than 15 yrs ago) I owned no property nor did I have any dependents.
Well each month payments were made yet the debt never decreased it doubled. The rep told me that they have made these types of offers of $55.00 and they were accepted by the IRS. I should have aske if the initial outstanding debts was for $55.62 or $56.00. All I am saying is that they did not deliver what they promised. Even if they had saved me at least $5,000.00 by offering compromise of $33000.00 I would have been satisfied.
I did not see the logic at all of $55.00, it was too unrealistic and did NOT seems fair for me to pay so little on a huge debt. I called to see if they possibly forgot to add some zeros after the $55.00 but she assured me that the figure was correct.
Who prepared these forms, where they coherent in their thinking or did they just party too much the night before? AFter all that I have read, this company ought to be ashamed of themselves, and shoueld hang their head in same. Who are these people that they advertise on Television, do they belong to the screen actors guild? I have contacted several tax attornies in my area and they all reached the same conclusion, I was given an unrealistic compromise and they think I was taken advantage off and grossly misinformed.
Well this is only the beginning, I intend to write to the proper authories and to see if a class action suit (in her case it should be a no class action suit, as in my opinion she nor her employees have any class, ok maybe they do but it's all third class) as anyone with good intentions would not deceive poor innocent victims, especially the comment written by the senior citizen who was ill with cancer.
Hey RONI! why don't you send your cronies down to the federal building and pickup some more unsuspecting clients... I guess I should have not said this, as you will probably start to adapt this idea. May god shed mercy on your soul and your disciples (and I use that term very lightly, if you get my drift. Oh by the way, Roni, the Empire state building is on sale for $1.00. Now you can buy the Empire State building for only pennies on the dollar. I have learned a valuable lesson, thanks for the education.
PS. Why don't you review this site and see what people are saying about you especially previous employers. It will blow your mind. I emailed your website to lots of people, the word is out!!!
I guess when you have no spine or gumption you do as you are told. Bravo to those who quit as they could no longer be deceiving to their clients. I guess they were not brainwashed to their capacity.
When thy told me to pay $55.00 on a $38,000.00 debt I explicitly remember asking the rep how could this be when I own a home. Since I have been single and always worked two 8 hrs jobs a day,(for about 5 yrs) this made me owe the gov't money as at that time (more than 15 yrs ago) I owned no property nor did I have any dependents.
Well each month payments were made yet the debt never decreased it doubled. The rep told me that they have made these types of offers of $55.00 and they were accepted by the IRS. I should have aske if the initial outstanding debts was for $55.62 or $56.00. All I am saying is that they did not deliver what they promised. Even if they had saved me at least $5,000.00 by offering compromise of $33000.00 I would have been satisfied.
I did not see the logic at all of $55.00, it was too unrealistic and did NOT seems fair for me to pay so little on a huge debt. I called to see if they possibly forgot to add some zeros after the $55.00 but she assured me that the figure was correct.
Who prepared these forms, where they coherent in their thinking or did they just party too much the night before? AFter all that I have read, this company ought to be ashamed of themselves, and shoueld hang their head in same. Who are these people that they advertise on Television, do they belong to the screen actors guild? I have contacted several tax attornies in my area and they all reached the same conclusion, I was given an unrealistic compromise and they think I was taken advantage off and grossly misinformed.
Well this is only the beginning, I intend to write to the proper authories and to see if a class action suit (in her case it should be a no class action suit, as in my opinion she nor her employees have any class, ok maybe they do but it's all third class) as anyone with good intentions would not deceive poor innocent victims, especially the comment written by the senior citizen who was ill with cancer.
Hey RONI! why don't you send your cronies down to the federal building and pickup some more unsuspecting clients... I guess I should have not said this, as you will probably start to adapt this idea. May god shed mercy on your soul and your disciples (and I use that term very lightly, if you get my drift. Oh by the way, Roni, the Empire state building is on sale for $1.00. Now you can buy the Empire State building for only pennies on the dollar. I have learned a valuable lesson, thanks for the education.
PS. Why don't you review this site and see what people are saying about you especially previous employers. It will blow your mind. I emailed your website to lots of people, the word is out!!!
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What's this? #6 Author of original report
Poor Martha Stewart. How come Deutch gets off without prosecution? Roni uses imtimidation on her weak employees like the pushy broad she is
AUTHOR: Felix - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Monday, August 30, 2004
After reading this site, it is obvious who the employers are but I was aghast at what some of the employers had to say about RONI Lynn Deutch. It sounds like she uses imtimidation on her weak employees who probably have no respect for themselves otherwise why would they be intimidated by her.
I guess when you have no spine or gumption you do as you are told. Bravo to those who quit as they could no longer be deceiving to their clients. I guess they were not brainwashed to their capacity.
When thy told me to pay $55.00 on a $38,000.00 debt I explicitly remember asking the rep how could this be when I own a home. Since I have been single and always worked two 8 hrs jobs a day,(for about 5 yrs) this made me owe the gov't money as at that time (more than 15 yrs ago) I owned no property nor did I have any dependents.
Well each month payments were made yet the debt never decreased it doubled. The rep told me that they have made these types of offers of $55.00 and they were accepted by the IRS. I should have aske if the initial outstanding debts was for $55.62 or $56.00. All I am saying is that they did not deliver what they promised. Even if they had saved me at least $5,000.00 by offering compromise of $33000.00 I would have been satisfied.
I did not see the logic at all of $55.00, it was too unrealistic and did NOT seems fair for me to pay so little on a huge debt. I called to see if they possibly forgot to add some zeros after the $55.00 but she assured me that the figure was correct.
Who prepared these forms, where they coherent in their thinking or did they just party too much the night before? AFter all that I have read, this company ought to be ashamed of themselves, and shoueld hang their head in same. Who are these people that they advertise on Television, do they belong to the screen actors guild? I have contacted several tax attornies in my area and they all reached the same conclusion, I was given an unrealistic compromise and they think I was taken advantage off and grossly misinformed.
Well this is only the beginning, I intend to write to the proper authories and to see if a class action suit (in her case it should be a no class action suit, as in my opinion she nor her employees have any class, ok maybe they do but it's all third class) as anyone with good intentions would not deceive poor innocent victims, especially the comment written by the senior citizen who was ill with cancer.
Hey RONI! why don't you send your cronies down to the federal building and pickup some more unsuspecting clients... I guess I should have not said this, as you will probably start to adapt this idea. May god shed mercy on your soul and your disciples (and I use that term very lightly, if you get my drift. Oh by the way, Roni, the Empire state building is on sale for $1.00. Now you can buy the Empire State building for only pennies on the dollar. I have learned a valuable lesson, thanks for the education.
PS. Why don't you review this site and see what people are saying about you especially previous employers. It will blow your mind. I emailed your website to lots of people, the word is out!!!
I guess when you have no spine or gumption you do as you are told. Bravo to those who quit as they could no longer be deceiving to their clients. I guess they were not brainwashed to their capacity.
When thy told me to pay $55.00 on a $38,000.00 debt I explicitly remember asking the rep how could this be when I own a home. Since I have been single and always worked two 8 hrs jobs a day,(for about 5 yrs) this made me owe the gov't money as at that time (more than 15 yrs ago) I owned no property nor did I have any dependents.
Well each month payments were made yet the debt never decreased it doubled. The rep told me that they have made these types of offers of $55.00 and they were accepted by the IRS. I should have aske if the initial outstanding debts was for $55.62 or $56.00. All I am saying is that they did not deliver what they promised. Even if they had saved me at least $5,000.00 by offering compromise of $33000.00 I would have been satisfied.
I did not see the logic at all of $55.00, it was too unrealistic and did NOT seems fair for me to pay so little on a huge debt. I called to see if they possibly forgot to add some zeros after the $55.00 but she assured me that the figure was correct.
Who prepared these forms, where they coherent in their thinking or did they just party too much the night before? AFter all that I have read, this company ought to be ashamed of themselves, and shoueld hang their head in same. Who are these people that they advertise on Television, do they belong to the screen actors guild? I have contacted several tax attornies in my area and they all reached the same conclusion, I was given an unrealistic compromise and they think I was taken advantage off and grossly misinformed.
Well this is only the beginning, I intend to write to the proper authories and to see if a class action suit (in her case it should be a no class action suit, as in my opinion she nor her employees have any class, ok maybe they do but it's all third class) as anyone with good intentions would not deceive poor innocent victims, especially the comment written by the senior citizen who was ill with cancer.
Hey RONI! why don't you send your cronies down to the federal building and pickup some more unsuspecting clients... I guess I should have not said this, as you will probably start to adapt this idea. May god shed mercy on your soul and your disciples (and I use that term very lightly, if you get my drift. Oh by the way, Roni, the Empire state building is on sale for $1.00. Now you can buy the Empire State building for only pennies on the dollar. I have learned a valuable lesson, thanks for the education.
PS. Why don't you review this site and see what people are saying about you especially previous employers. It will blow your mind. I emailed your website to lots of people, the word is out!!!
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What's this? #7 UPDATE EX-employee responds
Roni Doesn't Care
AUTHOR: Dan - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Friday, August 27, 2004
You won't find anything negative on the BBB's website or on calsb.org because Roni has covered herself by manipulating these sites to her own advantage. In sales meetings one of Greg Flahive's favorite things to say about clients is "who cares?".
If Roni really wants to help taxpayers she start working on these cases, stop lying, treat her staff like human beings and stop showing her face on TV.
If Roni really wants to save money she should open a Russell Deutch Kissing Booth and use the loss as a tax write off.
If Roni really wants to help taxpayers she start working on these cases, stop lying, treat her staff like human beings and stop showing her face on TV.
If Roni really wants to save money she should open a Russell Deutch Kissing Booth and use the loss as a tax write off.
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What's this? #8 UPDATE EX-employee responds
Why, Russell and Scotty?
AUTHOR: Former Employee - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Friday, August 27, 2004
Russell Deutch and Scott Juceam. Scott, why did you tell me that you and Russell enlist the services of a massage parlor/house of prostitution on regular basis. You both have such sweet, nice and pretty wives..... You both ought to be ashamed of yourselves...
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Illegal Law And Other Practices?
AUTHOR: Former Employee - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Friday, August 27, 2004
Is it true that Roni did an OIC for her Step Brother, Scott Juceam? Is it true that she swapped pay checks for Scott and his future wife, Lorena to make it look like Scott didn't make much money?
Is it true that Roni gives 5 figure value gifts to her mother at company Christmas parties so she can write these off as business expenses?
Is it true that Russell Deutch and Scott Juceam are regular customers at Beach Tanning in Sacramento which has been busted on numerous occaisions for operating a house of prositution?
Is it true that Greg Flahive says to tell potential clients that the law firm is almost booked for the entire month when there is no limit on the number of clients for each month?
Is it true that the law firm says the average OIC takes 8 to 10 months and really takes well over a year?
It's my opinion that these people are very dishonest and I wouldn't let my worst enemy do business with them.
I brought on more than 300 clients when I worked there and was given results for less than 10. I realized that I working for a very dishonest law firm and I came close to having a nervous breakdown. I wish I could help all of the people that I brought on as clients. I honestly thought I was doing something good for Americans. Boy, I was fooled.......
Is it true that Roni gives 5 figure value gifts to her mother at company Christmas parties so she can write these off as business expenses?
Is it true that Russell Deutch and Scott Juceam are regular customers at Beach Tanning in Sacramento which has been busted on numerous occaisions for operating a house of prositution?
Is it true that Greg Flahive says to tell potential clients that the law firm is almost booked for the entire month when there is no limit on the number of clients for each month?
Is it true that the law firm says the average OIC takes 8 to 10 months and really takes well over a year?
It's my opinion that these people are very dishonest and I wouldn't let my worst enemy do business with them.
I brought on more than 300 clients when I worked there and was given results for less than 10. I realized that I working for a very dishonest law firm and I came close to having a nervous breakdown. I wish I could help all of the people that I brought on as clients. I honestly thought I was doing something good for Americans. Boy, I was fooled.......
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OIC truths
AUTHOR: TellerofTruth - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Monday, August 23, 2004
The truth of the matter is that you do have to negotiate with an O.I.C. examiner when you submit an offer in compromise or an appeals officer when your Offer in Compromise is either modified or rejected......if you are not versed in I.R.S. code, then you will have no idea why they are rejecting your offer. It does NOT matter what the amount owed is, it is the same fight if you are offering them 37,999.99, or 1.00 they want you to pay ALL OF IT!
The Offer in Compromise (OIC) program MAKES them settle with you except in some rare cases if you were a tax protester, or something goofy like that.
You have to have a basis on what you are offering, if your asset value is low or nominal, and the money you make in income is less than your cost of living it is possible for an OIC to be accepted, yet you need to know why!
Do NOT listen to people in here who probably have NEVER submitted an OIC in their lives by asking you to do it yourself, you are going to be asking the United States Government how you can NOT pay them.......you need help, professional help.
As far as the 20 dollar settlement goes... I have been a witness to ONE couple that got an offer accepted for 20 dollars using Roni's firm, however it was NOT anyone on her commercial, and the couple was extremly elderly. After that particular settlement came in, Russell Deutch warned the whole floor about telling prospective clients about settling their cases for 20 dollars, because it was unrealistic. Then Roni comes out with this 20 dollar commercial!!! With fake people too!!!
This law firm can do what they say they can do, however too many times they do just the opposite, the most critical thing you need is to have constant contact with the client to make a credible offer and they depend on far too many non-legal employees to tell the client why they do, or do not qualify for the OIC program, or give them a stupid letter to tell the client why their offer is 10,000.00 instead of 250.00 like the tax director (salesperson) said it would be.
On a final note, when the IRS comes back at you with a declined offer, there is definately some reason as to why they would NOT settle for the amount you tried to settle for. Look to your assets, or your "Net Positive" income for the answer to that one......you cannot as some folks on here have referred to offer your bottom number then add a few dollars more, that is ridiculous, IT HAS TO BE BASED ON SOMETHING REALISTIC! Whats you vehicle really worth, what assets do you really have? or, Good news, do you make TOO MUCH MONEY? Ask yourself these same questions and look at it like a Revenue Officer would look at it.
Roni's office no longer does appeals and that is where a good number of these cases are won (they used to, but sadly stopped.....Roni probably thought they took up too much time they were not getting paid for) tsk, tsk, tsk.
One final question, why do all of the irate clients you have complain about the collection process of Scott "wanna-be" Jucam? Do you NOT understand he is not an asset to the company, he is a liability? Someone should "dark alley" his pompus ass.......since YOU won't do anything about him!
The Offer in Compromise (OIC) program MAKES them settle with you except in some rare cases if you were a tax protester, or something goofy like that.
You have to have a basis on what you are offering, if your asset value is low or nominal, and the money you make in income is less than your cost of living it is possible for an OIC to be accepted, yet you need to know why!
Do NOT listen to people in here who probably have NEVER submitted an OIC in their lives by asking you to do it yourself, you are going to be asking the United States Government how you can NOT pay them.......you need help, professional help.
As far as the 20 dollar settlement goes... I have been a witness to ONE couple that got an offer accepted for 20 dollars using Roni's firm, however it was NOT anyone on her commercial, and the couple was extremly elderly. After that particular settlement came in, Russell Deutch warned the whole floor about telling prospective clients about settling their cases for 20 dollars, because it was unrealistic. Then Roni comes out with this 20 dollar commercial!!! With fake people too!!!
This law firm can do what they say they can do, however too many times they do just the opposite, the most critical thing you need is to have constant contact with the client to make a credible offer and they depend on far too many non-legal employees to tell the client why they do, or do not qualify for the OIC program, or give them a stupid letter to tell the client why their offer is 10,000.00 instead of 250.00 like the tax director (salesperson) said it would be.
On a final note, when the IRS comes back at you with a declined offer, there is definately some reason as to why they would NOT settle for the amount you tried to settle for. Look to your assets, or your "Net Positive" income for the answer to that one......you cannot as some folks on here have referred to offer your bottom number then add a few dollars more, that is ridiculous, IT HAS TO BE BASED ON SOMETHING REALISTIC! Whats you vehicle really worth, what assets do you really have? or, Good news, do you make TOO MUCH MONEY? Ask yourself these same questions and look at it like a Revenue Officer would look at it.
Roni's office no longer does appeals and that is where a good number of these cases are won (they used to, but sadly stopped.....Roni probably thought they took up too much time they were not getting paid for) tsk, tsk, tsk.
One final question, why do all of the irate clients you have complain about the collection process of Scott "wanna-be" Jucam? Do you NOT understand he is not an asset to the company, he is a liability? Someone should "dark alley" his pompus ass.......since YOU won't do anything about him!
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What's this? #11 Consumer Comment
Offer In Compromise. The possible settlement amount isn't based on how much tax is owed.
AUTHOR: Mike - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, August 22, 2004
It is based on how much the IRS could take from the tax(non)payer by legal action. The form has you account for everything the IRS could take from you by legal action (which is often rather low, since many things are exempt). Then you offer to pay a few dollars more in a lump sum or a monthly payment plan, to save the IRS the trouble of taking legal action. There is NO negotiation. If the IRS believes you don't have much for them to take away (by now you know that lying to the IRS is a bad idea), they will accept the offer.
Anyone can obtain the forms from the IRS and do the process entirely themsleves, or have their local accountant help for a nominal fee. Again, the process is not one of negotiation, so someone who claims they are experienced negotiatiors are not going to be able to help you.
Anyone can obtain the forms from the IRS and do the process entirely themsleves, or have their local accountant help for a nominal fee. Again, the process is not one of negotiation, so someone who claims they are experienced negotiatiors are not going to be able to help you.
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What's this? #12 Consumer Suggestion
Thanks for the towel
AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Saturday, August 21, 2004
You still don't get my sympathy though. You owe $38000. That is principal. You try to settle for $55. The interest payments are not the subject. It would be like trying to get anyone, like say a mortgage company, to take the same 1/10 of 1% on the principal to release the deed on your home. Not going to happen. Pay what you owe, or at least have the good sense to make an offer that is more in line with reality. If someone owed you $38000, how much would YOU settle with that person for? I am betting it is alot more than $55.
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What's this? #13 Consumer Comment
Robert, I can see your point... to a point.
AUTHOR: Darren - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Saturday, August 21, 2004
Robert,
You are right... that everyone should pay their fair share. Whether it is through the system we have now or through a flat rate or whatever. It isn't fair to those that do pay.
There are so many reasons why a person can get behind in their taxes. Many, many of them that aren't through an attempt to cheat, but things happen in life.
Along with this, the situation may be that the person isn't able to afford what the IRS says should be paid... you get a job and start paying down the taxes and then get laid off again... before you know it the interest drives it back to where you started or even higher.
I guess my point here is that not everyone is trying to cheat and get one over on the government... there are just too many people from so many walks of life and with so many reasons that they can't all be lumped together.
As far as this tax firm... I am sure that regardless of what they say... people know that they aren't going to get out from under this for $20... or by offering $55.00 to the IRS. So, I can't see a client going in and really expecting to see their debt reduced by that amount.
It would be stupid for a law firm to even suggest that to the customer or the IRS. But, apparently that is what they did.
If that were the case, then I don't think that it would be reasonable by just about any standard and calls into question the validity of what they do.
I agree that the tax codes are seriously bad. Until there is some kind of reform the IRS needs to be more realistic about their collections and they may find that people are willing to talk to them without a lawyer.
In the short term that is more "doable" than what we have now.
We can only hope.
You are right... that everyone should pay their fair share. Whether it is through the system we have now or through a flat rate or whatever. It isn't fair to those that do pay.
There are so many reasons why a person can get behind in their taxes. Many, many of them that aren't through an attempt to cheat, but things happen in life.
Along with this, the situation may be that the person isn't able to afford what the IRS says should be paid... you get a job and start paying down the taxes and then get laid off again... before you know it the interest drives it back to where you started or even higher.
I guess my point here is that not everyone is trying to cheat and get one over on the government... there are just too many people from so many walks of life and with so many reasons that they can't all be lumped together.
As far as this tax firm... I am sure that regardless of what they say... people know that they aren't going to get out from under this for $20... or by offering $55.00 to the IRS. So, I can't see a client going in and really expecting to see their debt reduced by that amount.
It would be stupid for a law firm to even suggest that to the customer or the IRS. But, apparently that is what they did.
If that were the case, then I don't think that it would be reasonable by just about any standard and calls into question the validity of what they do.
I agree that the tax codes are seriously bad. Until there is some kind of reform the IRS needs to be more realistic about their collections and they may find that people are willing to talk to them without a lawyer.
In the short term that is more "doable" than what we have now.
We can only hope.
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What's this? #14 Author of original report
re:Robert from Hubert NC rebuttal, forget to mention I had been paying the IRS monthly interest and penalty rates the charges just pile up
AUTHOR: Felix - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Friday, August 20, 2004
I forget to mention in my letter, that I had been paying the IRS monthly for several years on my income tax, but with the interest and penalty rates the charges just pile up. So dont be so naive to think that I would one day decide hmmm let me pay $55.00 on a $38,000.00 debt without never making a sincere effort to pay my taxes. Once I contacted R Deutch, they advised me to cease making payments on the debt as they were contacting the IRS. They took over 10 months to work my file, then to come back and state $55.00 is acceptable, I told them they have got to be kidding. So Mr Robert, I have been trying to take care of the debt for some time. So this blows your arguement right out of the water. Here's a towel!
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What's this? #15 Consumer Suggestion
Bankruptcy & Taxes
AUTHOR: Carl - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, August 19, 2004
That last message about taxes and bankruptcy is incorrect. A number of conditions apply, but most tax debt more than 3 years old can be discharged in a a chapter 7 bankruptcy. To the extent that that the tax debt is not dischargeable in a Chapter 7, you might be able to pay the balance over time in Chapter 13.
My general comments about taxes & bankruptcy are for discussion purposes only. You should contact a qualified bankrupty attorney in your are to discuss what portion of your tax debt might be dischargeable in bankruptcy to know your options. That will help you to be an informed consumer if you decide to make an offer in compromise, file for BK or whatever other option you may have.
My general comments about taxes & bankruptcy are for discussion purposes only. You should contact a qualified bankrupty attorney in your are to discuss what portion of your tax debt might be dischargeable in bankruptcy to know your options. That will help you to be an informed consumer if you decide to make an offer in compromise, file for BK or whatever other option you may have.
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In looking at other sites about your situation I found this "Debts to the U.S. Government, including tax debts, cannot be wiped out by bankruptcy." You can contact the IRS to find out but whatever you do, contact them as soon as possible. They have the authority to take almost everything you own.
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What's this? #17 Consumer Suggestion
Let's see... with an offer of $55, about 1/10 of 1% of your lien, you are amazed. And, when you discover the attorney is a bald faced liar, you get shocked again?
AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Wednesday, August 18, 2004
Let's see. You owe the IRS $38K. You owe some attorney nothing. You then decide to give the attorney you owe $ZERO$ to $3700. You still haven't given the IRS a dime. So....when it turns out the IRS is unimpressed with an offer of $55, about 1/10 of 1% of your lien, you are amazed. And, when you discover the attorney is a bald faced liar, you get shocked again? What made you think the IRS would accept an offer so pathetic anyway? They know you gave $3700, nearly 10% of the debt, to the attorney. The way they see it, as do people with brains, if you can give $3700 to someone, it should have been the IRS to try and pay what YOU owe. They may have even given you some leniency had you done that. Now, all they see is someone who is willing to give the $$ to anyone but the IRS. It's people like you, who don't pay what they are supposed to, that make it more difficult for the rest of us who actually file our taxes every year and cut the checks to the IRS. And don't start whining about how you didn't know you owed it or any other hogwash that involves you as the "innocent and helpless victim" of the IRS. The IRS doesn't even start looking for the money for a few years. You knew you owed it and hoped they would not figure it out. I have been audited many times, too many, and yet, when they owe me, they cut me the check. When I owe them, the first thing they ask me is "would you like to set up a payment plan"? So, DUH to you. Maybe if the EVADERS out there paid what they owe, the tax burden would lessen for everyone. As an aside, I think the way taxes are collected now is unAmerican. Everyone should be hounding their elected officials for the "Fair Tax" plan and go with a national sales tax. That would eliminate ALL of the IRS and the confiscatory tax rates we all(who work) pay. And for those who will say the IRS will still be needed with a sales tax in effect instead of the "wealth taxes" we have now, nope. Gas taxes are collected as are excise taxes and they are paid directly to the Treasury, NOT the IRS.
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What's this? #18 Consumer Comment
seen her commercials struck by the impossibility of what she was claiming... Eliminate your IRS debt for only $20
AUTHOR: Darren - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Wednesday, August 18, 2004
Hi Felix,
I am sorry to hear about your experience with this law firm. I have seen her commercials and even though I am not needed her services I was struck by the impossibility of what she was claiming... Eliminate your IRS debt for only $20 or whatever.
I have been accused of being anti lawyer on here... that is beside the point.
I wanted to thank you for sharing your experience. Someone may or may not find a hair to split and come up with a reason that what this law firm did was completely legal and ethical, but a quick look at this website shows 15 different enteries on this firm.
Unfortunately for you and many of them, they didn't do a search on the interner before signing on the bottom line. I do hope though that as more people report their experiences with poor service, rip-offs and cons it will become more and more common for everyone to do a search and save themselves the expense and heartache. It might also slow down (doubtfull) the blood suckers out there.
Information is the lifeblood of making a good decision. I don't know if you will get any relief from this experience but you have helped others.
Thanks,
I am sorry to hear about your experience with this law firm. I have seen her commercials and even though I am not needed her services I was struck by the impossibility of what she was claiming... Eliminate your IRS debt for only $20 or whatever.
I have been accused of being anti lawyer on here... that is beside the point.
I wanted to thank you for sharing your experience. Someone may or may not find a hair to split and come up with a reason that what this law firm did was completely legal and ethical, but a quick look at this website shows 15 different enteries on this firm.
Unfortunately for you and many of them, they didn't do a search on the interner before signing on the bottom line. I do hope though that as more people report their experiences with poor service, rip-offs and cons it will become more and more common for everyone to do a search and save themselves the expense and heartache. It might also slow down (doubtfull) the blood suckers out there.
Information is the lifeblood of making a good decision. I don't know if you will get any relief from this experience but you have helped others.
Thanks,
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What's this? #19 Consumer Suggestion
A number of options
AUTHOR: Carl - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Wednesday, August 18, 2004
Based on the number of complaints I've read about this attorney, I wouldn't be surprised if there is some type of class action pending, so you should research if you can join such a lawsuit.
As an individual, you have a number of options available. You should consider fee arbitration. Nearly every county bar association in California has a low cost fee arbitration system to resolve disputes between attorneys and clients. If the attorney was negligent in providing services, it would be helpful to have another attonrey testify on your behalf on what Deutch may have done wrong.
This amount of money call also be resolved in the small claims court. The limit in California is $5000.
You could complain to the state bar, but they would probably refer this for fee arbitration anyway.
As far as your tax debt, you might consider consulting a bankruptcy attorney to see how much of the debt might be dischargeable. Or, you might contact a CPA or other tax professional who truly has experience with making an offer in compromise on tax debt.
As an individual, you have a number of options available. You should consider fee arbitration. Nearly every county bar association in California has a low cost fee arbitration system to resolve disputes between attorneys and clients. If the attorney was negligent in providing services, it would be helpful to have another attonrey testify on your behalf on what Deutch may have done wrong.
This amount of money call also be resolved in the small claims court. The limit in California is $5000.
You could complain to the state bar, but they would probably refer this for fee arbitration anyway.
As far as your tax debt, you might consider consulting a bankruptcy attorney to see how much of the debt might be dischargeable. Or, you might contact a CPA or other tax professional who truly has experience with making an offer in compromise on tax debt.
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