- Report: #53924
Complaint Review: STS Tire & Auto
| STS Tire & Auto 400 W. Main Street
Bound Brook, New Jersey U.S.A. |
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STS Tire & Auto Bad Business Practices Possibly PepBoys too Tri-State NJ, PA & NY
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: pepboys just change the commission struture do you have document or copy of this plan you are talking about
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: PEPBOYS COMMISSIONS FOR WRITERS AND ASSISTANT MANAGER
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: STS techs definately rip the public off!
*UPDATE Employee: I agree with every word the inside scoop said
*Consumer Comment: Pep Boys Commissions for service writers and assistant service managers
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: The inside scoop
*Consumer Comment: Not valid
*Consumer Comment: ignorance at it's best
*Consumer Comment: Just because that may be the way they're paid
*Consumer Suggestion: Incentive system, and trying to "sting" the garage.
*Consumer Comment: whats being condemned is that "incentive system"
*Consumer Comment: Unless it was done at Sears and you knwo for a fact they are doing it again.....
*Consumer Comment: I Hvae A Hard Time With This
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Sometime in the early 1990s Sears was caught ripping off auto owners on a national scale.
The California Better Business Bureau set them up in a sting operation. What they did was to disconnect a wire from the voltage regulator on five similar cars, and went around to all of the Sears Auto shops complaining that their battery was not charging. In 90% of these visits, Sears repairmen sold the BBB agents a complete charging system including alternator, regulator and battery, rather than tell them that a wire had mysteriously become disconnected.
The outcome was a huge embarrassment in which the CEO of Sears had to fall to his knees before the nation and beg forgiveness. In the end, it turned out that the mass rip-off was not limited to California, but was nationwide.
The root of the problem had to do with the payroll practices set up for Sears mechanics. Sears mechanics were payed well below the national average for their trade, but were given the opportunity to make sales commission on auto parts. The way it worked was that each month the mechanics had to make $2000 of parts sales in order to cross the threshold in which they would then be making a percentage of any further sales that month.
So naturally, the mechanics went crazy in the beginning of the month to get over the threshold, by hoodwinking people into paying for things they did'nt need. Once over the threshold they went nuts in overselling, to make as much commission as possible before the end of the month.
The CEO of Sears put an end to this practice, and Sears began paying its mechanics a normal salary.
STS TIRE AND AUTO models its pay arrangement after the old Sears method of commissions on a monthly sales basis. As a result everone I know that's gone there has had serious problems. In one case the mechanics refused to release a car unless the owner agreed to have the front brakes done, which were done two months prior. He had to threaten them with a call to the local police.
In March of 1998 I sued STS for selling my wife a battery and essentially stealing her good one, when in fact the alternator had gone bad, which they didn't fix. I wound up having to fix it. To make a long story short, I won a $650 award on a bad faith claim.
STS mechanics are going to rip you off if you go there. An it's really not their fault. They're just trying to put bread on the table at $8.50/hour plus commissions.
From what I understand, Pep-Boys has the same type of pay arrangement, but I may be wrong.
The moral of the story is DON'T GO TO FRANCHISE REPAIR SHOPS. Go to your local independent garage. If they give you an estimate and then charge exactly that amount or less, that's the first sign of their honesty. Most private garages estimate higher than franchise operations because they like to stick to their estimate.
Ronald
Washington, New Jersey
U.S.A.
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Search Tips#1 UPDATE EX-employee responds
pepboys just change the commission struture do you have document or copy of this plan you are talking about
AUTHOR: UTWOZOOM - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Wednesday, May 09, 2012
#2 UPDATE EX-employee responds
PEPBOYS COMMISSIONS FOR WRITERS AND ASSISTANT MANAGER
AUTHOR: UTWOZOOM - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, May 08, 2012
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#3 UPDATE EX-employee responds
STS techs definately rip the public off!
AUTHOR: Roadkill - (USA)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, February 07, 2012
The district managers are all pitted against one another. This makes them push the store managers, who in turn push the techs. Management doesn't want to know what you are doing... If you get caught, they will try to help you out, if you are pulling in the 'numbers'; if you aren't, you get left out to 'flop in the wind'. If your numbers fall behind, you get reprimanded. This reprimand goes all the way up the food chain, from tech, to store manager, to district manager.
STS is starting to shy away from actually 'fixing' cars. They are moving towards just doing tires, alignments, and fluid maintenance. Those are the things that you can train a monkey to do. They don't want to pay their top techs top dollar, they want to hire kids out of school and pay them nothing to do tires, alignmenets, and fluid changes. With the new alignment machines, you don't even have to know anything about cars; the machine tells you exactly what to do!
I saw one guy get bounced around from shop to shop because he wasn't pulling in the numbers. Do you know what his problem was? He had integrity. He couldn't sell people oil flushes (which are useless!), or any other of the fluid services. He couldn't sell rotors and calipers on every brake job. He couldn't sell belts, tires, or cabin air filters on every oil change. He had integrity. He cared for his customers. That landed him onto the unemployment line when the big mass exodus happened in the fall of '09. Companies used the economy as an excuse to get rid of what they thought was the 'dead wood'. STS was on the crest of that trend.
Find yourself a local guy. Someone that you can trust. Stay away from the STSs of the world, the Pep Boys, the Sears, the Midases, the Goodyears, the Firestones. Sometimes the local guy can rip you off too. Hey, it's not a perfect world! But... the odds are better that you are being ripped off by the ones that I mentioned above! I worked at STS... for a long time. I got out, and I'm doing much better now!
Do your homework, ask around, check out this site, reasearch! You'll find the good guys, they're out there! Peace!
#4 UPDATE Employee
I agree with every word the inside scoop said
AUTHOR: jrod - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Wednesday, March 31, 2010
#5 Consumer Comment
Pep Boys Commissions for service writers and assistant service managers
AUTHOR: Aldadnjson - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, January 11, 2009
Talking to other service writers at other pep boys stores, everyone has had a pay cut of $75 to $150 weekly since the commission went into effect with a few exceptions, busy stores like Marlton and Pleasantville stores have had an increase for workers. Every other store has had pay cuts for service writers and assistant service managers.
The NSP also included mystery shopper calls made by an outside company to rate how the phone calls are answered by service people and store people.
#6 UPDATE EX-employee responds
The inside scoop
AUTHOR: Blex - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Saturday, October 18, 2008
#8 Consumer Comment
ignorance at it's best
AUTHOR: Ginger - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Monday, May 07, 2007
STS is another story. When I brought my Buick Skylark to STS for a complete turn up, belts, battery. It cost $695.00. But the car still didn't work right. My husband pulled out a spark plug to find the hole full of oil. It was obvious this car had a blown head gasket. I called STS yelling. They said it was a new guy and yes the car should not have had the work done. My money, all of it was refunded. That was 12 years ago. I trust nobody but the STS in my town. They are honest and trustworthy. Just what I need in a mechanic.
#9 Consumer Comment
Just because that may be the way they're paid
AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Monday, March 05, 2007
As Danny said, if it was a rip off-and based on the incentive pay theory-why didn't the tech just replace EVERYTHING in the charging system? The potential of a whole 2% would have yeilded him what-a whole couple dollars maybe? And at this couple dollars per job, how many jobs do you think he can actually do in a week to make the lack of money that is being claimed?
Anyone who is worth anything does not stay at jobs like these. And if they do, they are not on the incentive plan but receiveing a real salary commensurate to their abilities or else they would leave to make real money. So, this leaves slackers, not-so-good techs, or parts replacers which then brings us back to the poor diagnostics angle.
The only thing that was learned about the Midas example was to not use that location. Doesn't mean that they all are like that.
#10 Consumer Suggestion
Incentive system, and trying to "sting" the garage.
AUTHOR: Mike - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Monday, March 05, 2007
No one is that honest though.
Speaking of dishonesty, these "sting" operations by the media are a quite dishonest way to stir up things on a slow news day.
Much like a doctor, the "customer"'s report of the history and symptoms of the problem are important for the mechanic to diagnose the problem. Unless the "customer" says otherwise, the mechanic is going to be working on the assumption that the car was driven normally until it quit working, not that someone tampered with it.
When the "patient" is lying, you can't completely blame the "doctor" for a wrong diagnosis.
A car with a seperate voltage regulator, where the wires can be disconnected one at a time, would've been antique even in the early '90s. It is quite possible the people at STS were not very familiar with that type of system.
#11 Consumer Comment
whats being condemned is that "incentive system"
AUTHOR: Pablo - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Monday, March 05, 2007
Those incentive scales are there to corrupt the mechanics since these shops won't offer any basic pay or per repair pay where the mechanic can simply make a living doing what is needed without having to continue to jack up the bill with phony repairs and scare stories. All national franchoses are like that.
I've had a ex midas muffler guy tell me that they were told every person who walks in the store should be a 600.00 job. And, yes, they have that incentive plan to push the mechanics into being crooks.
#12 Consumer Comment
Unless it was done at Sears and you knwo for a fact they are doing it again.....
AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Monday, March 05, 2007
Dan's analysis is pretty spot on. And if you knew what was wrong-as you allege to have fix it yourself anyway, why didn't you tell them to just replace the alternator? "when in fact the alternator had gone bad, which they didn't fix. I wound up having to fix it."
STS used to work (as of around 1980/81) on 1% sales/1% doing the job commission. They'd have to rip off ALOT of people to make any money at that rate.
While there may be some questionable diagnostics, it's not necessarily a rip off. You just got an inexperienced tech on your job. There is a huge difference.
#13 Consumer Comment
I Hvae A Hard Time With This
AUTHOR: Danny - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Monday, March 05, 2007
Im not sure what your motives are but i would like to point out a few comments you made that are clearly ficton.
You said:
STS TIRE AND AUTO models its pay arrangement after the old Sears method of commissions on a monthly sales basis. As a result everone I know that's gone there has had serious problems
I have worked as a technician for over 30 years and almost all shops have a pay plan that has some sort of commission attached, even the 3 independent small shops i worked for. also i find it truly hard to believe ALL your friends have had problems unless you only have 1 friend.
You said:
STS mechanics are going to rip you off if you go there. An it's really not their fault. They're just trying to put bread on the table at $8.50/hour plus commissions.
That paragraph speaks for it self.
firstly to condem all mechanics within a company is just plain wrong sounds to me like you either work or own an independent repair shop or your an x sts employee with issues
You also began your post with a problem sears had and applied it to STS which has no such issues or lawsuits (none that i can find online anyway)
Now lets get to your problem shall we.
First off an alternator has whats called brushes, like all things containing brushes that ride on an armature (fan motors, fuel pumps, starters and so on) intermitant failures are very common as dirty or worn brushes can have enough contact now to test fine but lose contach 15-20 mins from now.
if i tested your car and found the alternator working and the battery 4 years old or older i would have replaced the battery as well, what STS probaly did was NOT replace an alternator that tested ok at the time but instead replaced a battery that was 4 years old or close to it (industry standard for expected battery life)
Avg cost of a battery installed in most areas is between 80 and 100 bucks while avg cost of an alternator installed is between 250 to 400 bucks.
if the technician was so money hungry because if his incentive program why didnt he choose to sell you an alternator. probly because it tested ok is my guess.
Dan ASE Certified Master Automotive Technician L1

