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Complaint Review: Saint Luke's Evangelical Christian Ministries

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  • Submitted: Tue, March 12, 2013
  • Updated: Thu, November 07, 2013

  • Reported By: United States of America
Saint Luke's Evangelical Christian Ministries
don't know dont know, Georgia United States of America

Saint Luke's Evangelical Christian Ministries First International Church of the Web Never sent order dont know, Georgia

*Consumer Comment: Positive experience of St Lukes Evangelical Christian Ministries

*General Comment: On the topic of Rev David M Ford being a Christian

*Consumer Comment: http://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ga/195661

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Avoid First International Church of the Web

*Consumer Comment: Wild guess.

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I orderd from "Saint Luke's Evangelical Christian Ministries" it's been 1 month and I have not recived anything. There's no phone number on the website. I emailed them and got one email back saying how sorry he was in the delay of my order but him and his wife was sick, another asking if it was too late to change the name from Tom to Thomas and "Brother Dave" said no problem. Thats the last I heard from him. His email address is WebRev@Bellsouth.Net This guy is not a Christian. I told my bank about the fraud. I see complaints about this "Church" going back to 2008. How does he get away with it? Well, he'll get his in the end. Stay away from this place. Just a big scam.


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#1 Consumer Comment

Positive experience of St Lukes Evangelical Christian Ministries

AUTHOR: RevJohn - ()

I have read the negative comments from some people who have allegedly not received ordination documents or had notice of excommunication or removal of recognised minister status by Rev Dr David M Ford.  I do not have all the details but there must be an appropriate reason for this and I will not judge anyone. That is for the Lord Jesus Christ to do at his return.  

I have had only good response and positive outcome from Rev Dr David Ford, I was ordained on the 26th September 2004 and received all documents I ordered. From that time I completed a number of online studies over the following years on line from First International Church of the Web and St Lukes Evangelical School of Biblical Studies, due to my family and work commitments, online was the  best way to do this.  

All materials, studies and content were biblically based and I was very happy with the studies available, I then completed my studies including a thesis and on the 26th February 2011 I was awarded a PhD in Biblical Studies, I received my Degree and information requested again with no problems.

I live and serve God in the uk and would have no problem recommending St Luke Evangelical Christian Ministries to anyone else who genuinly wishes to be ordained in ministry to learn from their resources and to serve God wherever they may be.

As christians we are not argue amongst each other but support each other in prayer, if mistakes are made we should pray and seek to put things right between us, forgive others and then get on with most important thing of reaching other people with the message of good news.  God bless all who read this.

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#2 General Comment

On the topic of Rev David M Ford being a Christian

AUTHOR: JohnWolf - ()

As a Christian you know better than to make such an accusation. Whether someone is a Christian is determined by whether their name is in the Book of Life. It is an issue of the Blood of Christ and the wisdom and mercy of the Father. It is an issue of the heart of the individual before God, and Scripture tells us no-one knows the heart of man but God. 

I have seen your personal opinions on Blogger and I would agree that you are a racist and at best a very deluded Christian, if you are a Christian at all. (Notice I did not make the claim to know you are or are not. It is beyaond my wisdom or right to determine) If your were in fact banned, excummunicated and your ordination removed; I believe Rev David M Ford acted with wisdom and good faith in doing so. I certainly do beleive Rev David M Ford did in fact defraud me of my $250 and my good faith between the 2 of us but I also beleive you are by far the worse offender. You are a fraud and lier before children who do not have the wisdom to not listen to you. You lead astray those who would come to Christ if it were not for your deception.

On the issue of wether you beleive you remain ordained by St Lukes Evalgelical Christion Ministries; Ordination is a good faith endorsement for what you have presented as a Cristian testimony. If Rev David M Ford chooses to withdraw his endorsement because he beleives you have misrepresented yourself, That is his good faith gesture to the rest of us. I beleive the Reverends removal of you and your posts are a righteous act before God and his congregation. If you want to recognize your ordination that is your business but I might be accurate in saying no-one else does.

I do believe you have a constitutional right to your opinon and for 10 years as a Navy NCO I protected your right to express your opinion. But I have every right not to listen to you and Rev David M Ford has every right not to post your anti Christian, anti Biblical, anti American racist drivil. When I protected your right to free speach I also protected my right to free speach in saying "With all due respect sir; You are an idiot"

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#3 Consumer Comment

http://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ga/195661

AUTHOR: JohnWolf - ()

This Non profit was closed down by the state of Georgia back in 2010 for failing to file paperwork for 2 years. Yet Rev David M Ford has maintained his website up to 2012. He has also accepted $250 from me with the understanding he would provide for me documentation which he has failed to do. I have attempted to contact him by email, phone and USPS Certified mail but all attempts have failed. I believe this constitutes intent to defraud and will be seeking a solution with the Georgia Attorney General.

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#4 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Avoid First International Church of the Web

AUTHOR: RevAngel1 - ()

Brother Dave isn't a Christian, and must be avoided at all costs. The worthless idiot removed me from the bulletin board due to disapproving of my private racial organization affiliations, which are none of his business, and then falsely claimed my ordination had been revoked (which is a lie-he legally can't do it because he didn't put a clause in the contract), and-to top it off-the fool had the audacity to order me to remove the St. Lukes logo from my webiste (which is inappropriate), and has illegally slandered me to people.

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#5 Consumer Comment

Wild guess.

AUTHOR: Flynrider - (USA)

"  I see complaints about this "Church" going back to 2008. How does he get away with it?  "

   My guess would be that customers such as yourself manage to not bother looking at 5 years of complaints until after they don't get what they ordered.    As such, it seems that this could continue indefinitely.

  
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