- Report: #581474
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Complaint Review: Sanford Brown College-St. Louis area campuses
Sanford Brown College-St. Louis area campusesALL St. Louis, MO area campuses St. Louis, Missouri United States of America
Sanford Brown College-St. Louis area campuses The 4 St. Louis area campuses are as follows: St. Peters, MO, Fenton MO, Hazelwood, MO, and Collinsville, IL campuses Sanford Brown College is a FRAUD!!! I want to join a legit class action lawsuit...serious and very real inqueries ONLY need to reply!!!!! Please tell me what I need to do and what the whole process to St. Louis, Missouri
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I too went to Sanford Brown College too, and I too received a very poor education and was nothing but lied to as well, but I went to one of four campuses in the St. Louis, MO area. They lied to me about everything too. Everything they lied to me about are all the same lies they told me...every single one that has been described by someone on this page!!!! I tried to transfer my credits to another college (a REAL college this time around, I might add) and they told me that Sanford Brown College credits are worthless and the degree is worthless, basically fake, and cannot be used in the REAL world of college and jobs!!!! my degree was for the veterinary technology program and it was a joke as well!!!!!! I was told my general credits would transfer for sure, and if I moved on to go to a University if I went to further my degree in my chosen field, I was also told that all of the credits I earned that were specifically geared for the vet tech program would transfer towards my higher degree (ex. if I went on to more schooling to become a veterinarian) and that all of their vet tech class credits were classes that would go towards a bachelor's degree in veterinary medicine, which would of course make it to where I'd have less classes to take for veterinary school, or in other words a lighter class load and less time to go through and finish. I was also told if I chose a different major down the road for my bachelor's such as Business and Administration, which I was told also would work with my degree because vet's offices have business managers that run their offices, that all of my general credits would FOR SURE transfer....well, they did not!!!! In fact, I have to start from scratch and take every last one of those gen-ed classes over again, after wasting TWO YEARS OF MY LIFE going to Sanford Brown and doing them there once already. The school I am going to now already knew about Sanford Brown and had MANY other students from there that tried to transfer their credits but couldn't, and they knew when I found out that my credits were worthless what my reaction would be from their experiences with former Sanford Brown students in the past. So they didn't even tell me in person while I was at the school, they waited till I got home so they could call me and break the news over the phone because they knew I would be enraged and very upset to learn I wasted all that time and money, and that on top of ALL OF THAT I would have to re-do all of those gen-ed classes. Of course, I was highly upset and enraged just as they knew I'd be. It is very devastating to know that you spent all that time and hard work of studying and being in class, just to find out you have to take it ALL OVER AGAIN!!!!!!!
I took two pages of questions with me I wrote down to ask the admission's rep to see how legit this school was, not knowing they were bold face lying about everything to every student, so I actually believed everything she said. I drilled her pretty good, too, and didn't forget any important question that needed to be asked, but she always had a quit very educated sounding answer for everything and I didn't know it at the time, but they were all bold-faced lies she was telling me!!! And you know what the sad part about all of this is??? It's that Sanford Brown and Career Education Corporation are the ones that TRAIN these admission's reps to be aggressive and lie their butts off and say WHATEVER they have to to get you in and to get you to sign those final papers!!!!! It all starts by them harassing you NONSTOP day and night calling OVER AND OVER at your home until you at least just agree to come in and talk to them about the degree program you are interested in and go on a tour of the school and classroom to see if you will be interested...that's the bait and switch right there!!!!! that's how they get you in, then once they get you in, they pretty much have you from there with the tactics and complete lies and empty promises they use!!!!!
So anyways, I was also told I would be guaranteed 100% placement by career services, get SOOO MANY interviews RIGHT AWAY after graduating, not to mention guaranteed placement almost immediately following graduation, not to mention I was also pretty much promised a job in my field WHILE I was still in school. I was told I'd come out of school making $30,000 per year to start (which broken down is $15.00 per hourly wage), and she went off of bureau of labor statistics and showed it to me me as she pulled it up on her computer in her office. There were no records of statistics of actual placement and salaries of any of their students for me to see. I was told that the program was brand new and in the process of being accredited, and I told the admission's rep that I didn't want to go through the program unless it was fully accredited, and she said that it was FOR SURE getting accredited, that it was about to be happening for sure and that they WOULD BE by the time I started the first classes. She also told me that the school itself was FULLY ACCREDITED in EVERY aspect, in EVERY way, shape, and form.
She also told me that the teachers were highly qualified to teach the classes that they each taught, that they had Master's degrees and Phd's, were qualified long time college professors, or were Doctor's themselves, and had all been chosen carefully and were highly qualified to teach the classes they taught at Sanford Brown College, and that they had been teaching that particular subject at Sanford Brown and other colleges for YEARS. This was NOT TRUE AT ALL!!!! Yes, there were a few college professers with big time dgrees and lots of experience, but they were all teachers mainly teaching the general education classes. The teachers in all of the medical classes such as vet techs, medical assistants, radiology technicians(or whatever they were for each particular program themselves), most of them had only had experience working as actual medical assistants, veterinary technicians, radiology technicians(and so on)in that field, and had no bachelor's or master's degrees in anything, not to mention any degrees or years of prior experience in teaching. And they had to have at least 5 years of working in that particular field to qualify for a teaching job at Sanford Brown...which isn't a lot of experience at all if you think about it. Yeah, to a degree I guess you could say that's plenty of experience, but to teach a highly accelerated program, I would prefer WAY more experience than that, not to mention some high degrees and a lot of years of experience in teaching courses like those in each program. I didn't find out until I was well into it that 3 out of the only 4 teachers we had for our over booked and over crowded veterinary technician program were only vet techs previously to Sanford Brown with no prior teaching experience..and some teachers played "favorites" and were mean or rude to students they didn't like for whatever reason. They did not treat everyone equally with respect and give everyone equal opportunity to do hands on lab work, they always chose their "favorites" over the other students. They also participated in doing favors for their fave students such as land them an internship that would end up in employment. They also put good words in for their fave students, while at the same time telling the companies/contacts/doctors they knew that they shouldn't hire other students and why, basically bad mouthing them and slandering them as well as defaming their characters, since these companies knew other companies in the entire area and so on, and the word would spread and they would ultimately not be able to find employment after graduation.
I feel like the way the teachers treated some students better than others was very unfair and unjust as well. I feel like the people they liked got a better more thorough and excellent education(the way every person is supposed to get REGARDLESS!!!) compared to the people they didn't like...there were days I left the first class I was in, in full blown tears. And as for the playing favorites and ganging up on people with their "favorites" and being just plain mean and rude for no reason(just because they decided on their own that "they just don't like you, or as much as the ones they liked the most)that should be against rules and regulations as an employee for Sanford Brown Colleges. If a teacher can't act like a teacher and can't act like the adult they are, and treat everyone equally the same and treat them right, then they shouldn't be a teacher AT ALL!!!!!!!!! I as well as many other students complained to people of higher authority in the College as well as to people working in the other departments throughout the school. We reached out to these people and complained OVER and OVER, but no one EVER did anything about these teachers acting this way, not to mention the other students that were harrassing other students and making their lives HELL while attending this school, which is NOT the way it should be. A school shouldn't be run like this. I feel like they could've definitely put a stop to the bullying from the students towards other students, and I know for a FACT they could've put a COMPLETE stop to the bullying from the teachers towards the students. It is 100% absolute discrimination, as well as slander and defamation of character what was going on here!!!! And that is AGAINST THE LAW!!!!!
I struggled SO VERY BADLY while I went to school there, I was so poor, and I even told the admissions rep this and that I was already struggling as it was, and she was very aware of this and still used her forceful tactics to talk me into going so she could make that commission(they say they care so much about their students, when in reality all they care about is that money they are about to get from their students!!!!). She didn't care how she was lying to me or how hard things would be for me, or how it would affect the rest of my life, she just saw dollar signs...that is ALL Sanford Brown and Career Education Corporation sees is the dollar signs. It was the hardest two years of my life, I was struggling financially and SO over stressed having to go from working full time to working part time JUST so I could go to school full time, because I also had a child and and I lived alone with that child, a single parent who struggled as it was to make ends meet. I could barely pay my bills before i went to school there, and when I realized the admissions rep ALSO lied to me about the times and lengths of the classes, I had to quit my job and downgrade to a part time job in order to accommodate to the swing shifts times/days of the week that these classes were always changing to. She specifically told me the classes were two days a week, the same days every week through the ENTIRE length of the program....that was the BIGGEST LIE of them all!!!!!!
The classes changed times and days every ten weeks, and there were even SEVERAL hours between some classes in on day...and it wasn't just a few hours...it was sometimes 4 and 5 hours between classes!!!!! It was absolutely RIDICULOUS!!!! And that's why I ended up not being able to work Full Time anymore, the schedule was so unpredictable and unstable, and I had a child at home to take care of too, ya know??? So, I could never pay all my bills and afford gas to get to school(some of our field trips cost money out of our pockets which I wasn't told about until they were a week away, and we had to pay out of pocket for some of the costs involved with state boards tests too, and I wasn't told that till it was almost time for that test as well), and my mom had to step in and help me...if it wasn't for her, I would have been homeless for sure!!!! Going to school there(it was an hour away from my house)took so much time and sooo much of me and my mom's money, that by the time I graduated, I was worse off then, then I was before I ever started there....I was on the verge of homelessness. I did not find a job right away after I graduated, and when career services did help me, they barely did squat for me...I did most of the work myself!!!!! and I STILL didn't get any calls, because I honestly believe the girl that was working with me from career services wasn't even really sending my resume out but saying she was. She didn't even update the address and phone on my resume when I called her asking her to change it because I had just moved. And she NEVER called me on a regular basis to touch base with me like she was supposed to once a week. I think she called twice in almost 6 months. And if I wouldn't of met my boyfriend after that and moved in with him, I WOULD have DEFINITELY ended up homeless for sure. I don't know where I'd be right now if it wasn't for him...I know I wouldn't be doing well at all, I'd be struggling not able to make ends meet, if not worse off and completely homeless!!!!!!!!!!
I really do want information on how to join in on or start my own lawsuit!!!!! I need justice, and I do not feel I should have to pay back over $30,000.00 dollars in students loans back for a fake degree, worthless credits, and nothing but lies!!!!! And I want to see if there is enough cause/evidence for a discrimination suit to be added in with the rest of the suit as well. If it can't be, and there just isn't a strong enough case for it, then I still want to be in on this class action lawsuit for everything else that it is already sueing for...because I experienced all of those things as well, and I definitely want in on this lawsuit!!!! Can someone PLEASE call me and tell me how I can join one of the current open and pending class action lawsuits against the St. Louis area campuses or even any campuses for that matter???? And if I do not qualify to join one because it is in a different state across the country, then can someone please contact me and tell me where I need to go and what I need to do to join one of the lawsuits that are in my area??? can someone that knows anything about any of the pending lawsuits in my area please contact me????? i am DESPERATE and NEED someone's help and I need it FAST!!!!
I have over $30,000.00 in student loans for Sanford Brown and I have yet to land a job in my field, my degree is completely WORTHLESS and several accredited community colleges and 4 year Universities told me that it was worthless and that the credits were completely worthless, and I was lied to about SO MUCH!!! Basically I was lied to about everything so they can get my $30,000.00 dollars(that I don't have)to profit off of, while I sit with a worthless degree scarred from all of the lies wondering how I am ever going to pay the $300.00 per month(is what the payments will be)for 15 years. I am in college again, so the payments are deferred for the time being, but they haven't went away, and I live with my boyfriend, and we are not rich!!!!! I do not know how I will afford those payments...it's like a freakin new CAR PAYMENT!!!!! We have had another child too since I started school there, so now we have two kids, one of which needs baby food and diapers and I cannot work right now because I cannot afford daycare for two children while I work a minimum wage job...which is basically what I will be getting paid working for a veterinarian, maybe a dollar more than minimum wage!!!! My getting married to my boyfriend is being put on hold as well, and it is all because of the student loans I have from Sanford Brown. They have put a major strain on my relationship with my boyfriend as well as my life period!!!!!!!
I know that Channel 5 news KSDK in St, Louis did a huge undercover story on the campuses in the St. Louis area. They went in undercover posing as potential wanna-be students and got the admissions reps on video straight lying to their faces about all of the same issues that we all had experienced with them, and pushing their aggressive tactics on them. they also secretly video taped career services as well and caught them in a bunch of lies. They also interviewed SEVERAL former students who were lied to and outraged and wanted something done about Sanford Brown College and their lies and falsifications. The students are the ones who called the news channel and asked them to please investigate and go undercover, and told them that if they did, they would have a huge story to cover and it was definitely HUGE!!!! It ended up having several continuing stories on it, and was so big it was the talk of that whole area for a long time. It definitely gave them the bad name they so long deserved, and a lot of students did quit school when they saw the news. I was almost done by that point, or I would of quit too!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can somebody please help me???? I tried to contact two different lawyer groups that are representing two different class-action cases against Sanford Brown that are in the area where I live, but they have not returned any of my calls, so therefore I feel pretty helpless right now and feel like I have no chance or hope of taking action and standing up for myself and my rights against this school/corporation that has so far gotten away with totally reaming me and thousands upon thousands of other students like me all across this country where they have campuses/colleges. I want to put an END to this!!!! This has GOT to stop!!!! This should be against the law what they have and are still doing to so many innocent people!!!!! They should all be forced to shut down and be PERMANENTLY put out of business for their illegal and fraudulent practices....they are like a big scam and are no better than your worst pyramid scheme!!!!!!!! So can you get back with me and talk with me about what's going on with any of the current ongoing lawsuits against Sanford Brown and/or Career education Corporation(the owner/operators of all Sanford Brown Colleges, institutes, and tech schools)and what I need to do to join in on it????
Or if I don't qualify to join your lawsuit because of where I live or because it is over and settled already, can you email me back and tell me how you found your lawyer, what you did to be eligible for a lawsuit and how he took your case and what I need to do to build a strong enough case to start a lawsuit, and also what I would need to do to turn it into a class action lawsuit, and how you went about the whole process???? I would greatly appreciate it!!!!! Thank you so much!!!! I know this was VERY long and probably VERY boring to read, but I wanted to get all my information out there so you would better know if I qualified to join one of the class action lawsuits, and in case someone else that is in a lawsuit closer to my area that went to the same school as me is reading these comments, or even if possibly a lawyer from my area who may be interested in taking my case and starting a lawsuit against them, then they can contact me through this site by responding or commenting to this article, and then maybe I would have a chance at being able to join one of the many, many class action suits that are going against this school, and there are SO MANY of them pending against that college right now, and they are ALL across this country!!!!
If you google "Sanford Brown College lawsuits", you will get so many articles and news video coverage clips of the many, MANY lawsuits they have pending against them right now!!!!!!!! Thank you very much for reading my comment/response to your article, and I really hope to hear back from someone very, very soon!!!!! Just respond to me on here with a comment, and tell me how I can reach you in private through email or phone so we can talk!!!!!!!!! Thank you again!!!! Please...a message to spammers, viruses, and identity theft/fraudulent online predators...I am not one of those stupid people that will fall victim to your scam or virus attempts on my computer(my computer is very well protected anyways...my boyfriend went to college for computers as knows just as much about them, if not more as you do, and he has my computer set up very well...in other words...it is very well protected and secure and so is everything on it, and so is our internet connection as well and all that good stuff. So, please...save yourself some time and don't bother replying with your fake attempts to try and further victimize me and trying to waste my time. I am telling you I will not respond, so DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME!!!!! Serious and REAL(human, live people, not computer viruses or spammers)INQUIRIES ONLY NEED TO REPLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you so much for your cooperation in this above matter.
Very Sincerely yours,
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