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Complaint Review: Savanh Marketing, Cavalier Marketing Group,, Cydcor,, DS Max, Scam

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  • Submitted: Wed, August 02, 2006
  • Updated: Tue, August 29, 2006

  • Reported By:TAMPA Florida
Savanh Marketing, Cavalier Marketing Group,, Cydcor,, DS Max, Scam
2002 N. Lois Ave. Suite 610 Tampa, Florida U.S.A.

Savanh Marketing, Cavalier Marketing Group, Cydcor, DS Max, Scam ripoff, pyramid scheme spend more in gas then you will make Tampa Florida

*UPDATE Employee: You do not know until it is too late

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Savanh marketing,Marketing systems

*UPDATE Employee: Savanh marketing, Marketing systems, Cavalier marketing

*Consumer Comment: Cons, cons, cons, and Pro.

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Savanh marketing, Cavalier marketing group is a ripoff. They are a cydcor company, and they change their name every few years so nobody catches on to them until its too late. They advertise a management training program,, but only 1 out of 1000 people they hire will actually make it to management.

Google cydcor, and you will find out about it. Its nothing more than a legal pyramid scheme. Multi level marketing. Its door to door sales,and you will spend more in gas than you make. Its commision only. You work 70 hours a week, and if you do not make enough yo cover your gas they will keep you on because the boss is still making money off of you.

Flying maxwell
TAMPA, Florida
U.S.A.

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#1 UPDATE Employee

You do not know until it is too late

AUTHOR: Christi - (U.S.A.)

I moved to tampa with the owner of cavalier marketing(the same office as savanh). Ryan May, and I was so brainwashed that I was going to be an owner one day, I did not care what it took to make a sale. I would tell people something totally different then what they were signing.

by the time I caught on to the scheme, it was too late. I had sacrificed many things for this job,
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AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

Cydcor/ DS max companies have been around since the 70's

I too worked for the tampa company "Savanh marketing. The primary goal is not to sell the product on the campaign, but to sell a "dream" to new recruits. That is all a pyramid scheme is.

You know I liked all the guys that I worked with. I just could not beleive that any intelligient person would believe the hype of owning your own company one day.

Now I own my own company just like they tried to sell me. Anyone can start their own company. All it takes is a business license.
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#3 UPDATE Employee

Savanh marketing, Marketing systems, Cavalier marketing

AUTHOR: Alex - (U.S.A.)

when you train people after only a week on the job,you KNOW the system is unstable

We worked on the credit card processing campaign. The boss did not even know anything about the industry.(Ryan C. May) I actually heard him say before "we dont charge interchange fees" to the customer. lol,,, I hope he really does not believe that.

Cavalier marketing is in the same office as Savanh marketing (marketing systems) they are both cydcor companies, and a joke

Sys used to say he made so much money, and he did not have to work, but he drove a kia.

Analyze the personality of a person that would tell you "they made so much money"

they would not be driving a kia, they would drive a car that said "I make so much money" if it were true
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#4 Consumer Comment

Cons, cons, cons, and Pro.

AUTHOR: Josiah - (U.S.A.)

There are many reports written on this site about Cydcor. Unfortunatley, most of it is true. There are actually a few, and I mean A FEW, owners out there that actually do care about their employees, but are so brainwashed in what they preach, that screwing over young grads is just a natural act.

As a former employee of Savanh Marketing Systems, I came to quite a few conclusions after I left that organization.

I was so caught up in the whole rituals and energy in the beginning that I didn't realize what my friends and family did. That is that I was working 70 hours a week, losing sleep, losing money week after week, and for some reason, I was happy about it and argued with them. I was happy about it because I was led to believe the same bulls**t that they believed. That one day, I would be a manager and run my own corporation. Wow! Even during high roller speaches we would say that actual date that we planned on opening our business. If I can recall, many of those dates overlapped a few times with employees that are still there and still not assistant managers.

In reality, it is true that someone can open their own businees. If that person is about1% of the incoming employees. Of that 1% of people who get to become managers, about 20% of that 1% actually keep it open. Some mangers lose too much money and can't afford to stay open, and some even become overwhelmed with guilt and can't handle screwing people over day after day. Sys, as an owner, actually does care about his employees, he is just so "caught up" in the Cydcor system that he actually believes the hype.

Other employees that moved from Minessota with him know whats going on and dont seem to care. People like Eric Hannen who will bold face lie to people on his team. He will even tell you that Sys makes $350,000 a year. That is a lot of money, you would think a person with that type of income would probably live in an apartment with furniture and drive something other than a Kia. Modest? Frugal? Ill let you decide. They all live together in one apartment building and week after week of crap sales, somehow, they all manage to pay their rent and car payments. That is something that employees not from Minessota could not do. Conspiracy? Who knows, I just found it funny that times when I would do "settle up", I would actually see these "top leaders" wind up with a couple hundred bucks at the end of the week, but somehow, they make ends meet.

Many questions came up between myself and a small group of us from Tampa who were consistently always in the top producing group of sales reps. A few of us quit around the same time, not just beacause of all scandalous things going on, but simply, we just couldnt afford to continue with that company. I was spending over $150 a week on gas driving all over central Florida, and even to the "business trips" which I will get into later.

With gas, food, and cell phone bills just from this job, I was becoming more and more negative every week. I was digging myslef in a hole and I was doing it smiling while ringing a stupid bell and running in circles.

These "road trips" or "business trips" or whatever you want to call them were the biggest scam that Cydcor can pull on its employees. We paid for gas, food, here's the kicker, we paid for the hotel room! Thats right, we paid for everything. We were promised that if the trip was successful, we would get paid back and get a bonus. After a couple successful trips hitting our goals, I never saw one bonus, or one room completely paid back. Oh yeah, One room. 5 people, one room. 3 on the floor, 2 on the bed. Some business trip huh?

All in all, I wore out a few pairs of shoes, ruined a few suits and put thousands of minutes on my phone and thousands upon thousands of miles on my car and wound up in serious debt. During the "day of observation" lunch and company breakdown, which is just another part of the decption, you'll be told that as an entry level employee, you'll make $300-500 a week. Not bad right? As a leader, which most will make it to in a week or so to pump up confidence and keep you there a little longer, you will make $600-$800 a week. The reality is, that once you become a "leader" you will actually make less than you did as an entry level because you will be splitting a lot of your commission with people you are training. Also, you will get more hours as a leader, with meetings monday nights and even on the weekends. I know it all sounds great.

I wondered, how can we tell new people they will be making $600-800 a week if not one sales rep in the office was making over $500 a week. As a top producer, I was making an average of $300 a week. Take that divided by 70 hours and thats $4.28 an hour, BEFORE TAXES. So, $300 minus at least 150 for gas, $40 or so a week for my phone, and ill be conservative and say $50 bucks for lunches. That would leave about $50 a month for youself. Which after dry cleaning and god forbid if you have more bills than that, like rent, your running negative with every week.

For those of you that can afford to stay with, I say go for it. For me, I could only afford to do it for a few months.

The pro, THE ONE AND ONLY PRO that will come form working for Cydcor, is the sales experience. Any serious Sales job will always require at least 1 year of some sales experience. As far as getting your foot in the door and getting sales experience, this is one of the easiest ways to do it with no prior sales knowledge. You will actually, learn a lot on the basics of sales.

My time with the Savanh and Cydocr, based on a little other experience actually helped get me where Im at know. Just a few months after leaving Cydocr, I am a sales rep at an international company making more in my base pay in a week than I did all month with Cydcor. I am finally out of debt, just free after months.

To wrap it up, the CONS weighs out the PRO(singular), like an elephant weighs out a fruit fly. My advice is stay away unless you don't pay any bills at all and need entry level sales experience. It did help me get where I am today and Sys and John are good people who actually would like to see people succeed. People like Eric will lie to your face if it benefits him in the least, but 12 hour days with nothing to show for it is something that no one wants. At least, I'm hoping nobody wants.
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