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Complaint Review: Scentura Creations, Chris Westphal, Onyx Wholesale

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  • Submitted: Sun, August 01, 2010
  • Updated: Fri, December 17, 2010

  • Reported By: Rio — Arvada Colorado USA
Scentura Creations, Chris Westphal, Onyx Wholesale
5783 Sheridan Blvd Arvada, Colorado United States of America

Scentura Creations, Chris Westphal, Onyx Wholesale, Arvada Colorado. Check out the latest BS on this clown and his idiot phone jockey Amanda Arvada, Colorado

*Author of original report: You've got to be kidding!!!

*UPDATE Employee: Yeah IM GETTOH!!

*Author of original report: Eat it, Vaca

*UPDATE Employee: Onyx-Wholesale

*Consumer Comment: "STENCH GO AWAY"...

*General Comment: Comparisons

*UPDATE Employee: if no one gets an office does that mean i don't exist?

*General Comment: Destroyed Us?! Were still here!! Jaime!

*Author of original report: Absolutely the weirdest post from Jamie (Pappa Maroon)

*UPDATE Employee: Fully retired..... AKA: Unemployed

*Author of original report: Metal face Jamie (Pappa Maroon) seems to be so very quiet now.

*Author of original report: Poor Jamie (Papa Maroon)

*UPDATE Employee: Close but no Cigar

*General Comment: I Know Who Papa Perfume IS!!

*Author of original report: I'm so disappointed :(

*UPDATE Employee: YAY!! For Youtube superstars

*Author of original report: Thank you, John

*Consumer Comment: Scentura Still a Scam

*Consumer Comment: Darwin awards

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Just when I thought I knew it all. This is how absolutely stupid Chris Westphal is, and his idiot staffer Amanda who answers the phone.


I called Onyx Wholesale (Scentura Creations) the other day just to be a complete smart-ass, and asked them if I could have a job selling perfume out of a cardboard box in parking lots and what-not.


Know what Amanda told me?


"No. We aren't hiring salesmen at this time. We are only hiring receptionists and office managers at this time."


What a joke.


I asked Amanda about the fact they (Onyx Wholesale) has had an add in the paper for a receptionist for THREE YEARS... and of course, she hung up on me.


This is what I want everybody to do: Call your local Scentura Distributer and ask them the EXACT same question and report back to this post EXACTLY what they say in return. I'm willing to bet you get the same result.


Hello, Chris. Time to go back to California. It's where you belong.  


This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 08/01/2010 06:43 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Scentura-Creations-Chris-Westphal-Onyx-Wholesale/Arvada-Colorado-80002/Scentura-Creations-Chris-Westphal-Onyx-Wholesale-Arvada-Colorado-Check-out-the-latest-628232. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Author of original report

You've got to be kidding!!!

AUTHOR: Rio - (USA)

You're only 19??? You look like you're 43! Maybe you should give up that glass dick before it's too late!

Wow. I thought you were a sad case before, now I don't even know WHAT to say, Mrs Caca.

I would suggest you contact your welfare agent and inquire as to what kind of rehab you can get into.

And check out Jenny Craig while you're at it.

P.S. F*ck, Chris, I thought even you could do better than this. What a fat ugly whore. 

 

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#2 UPDATE Employee

Yeah IM GETTOH!!

AUTHOR: Alisi Vaka - (United States of America)

So you like to call me gettoh LET ME SCHOOL YOU, I am 19 years OLD with NO KIDS and i have a GREAT career. while your talking what do you do?? right you dont have a job so you do nothing but sit on here and talk about our company LOL , CHRIS and IRIS can just laugh at you along with the rest of the people at our office !! WELFARE??? i wouldnt even know about that LIKE YOU !! TALK is to CHEAP YOU STINK JUST LIKE YOUR LINES AND COME BACKS BUY A BOTTLE BIOTCH SWINGGGGGGGGGGGGG LOL!!!

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#3 Author of original report

Eat it, Vaca

AUTHOR: Rio - (USA)

I know exactly what I'm playing with, and so does everybody else: A fat, uneducated, ghetto moron with a forth grade education and a thug attitude. What will happen when Obama cuts off your welfare for the three kids by three different fathers you have? Looks like you'll have to drop a SHIT LOAD of bottles, then! But don't let any of that cut into your dope smoking and meth habit!

What a loser. Truly pathetic.

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#4 UPDATE Employee

Onyx-Wholesale

AUTHOR: Alisi Vaka - (United States of America)

This Company is not a RIP-OFF you were just LAZY to finish the training !! & DONT PLAY BECAUSE you dont know what your playing with!!
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#5 Consumer Comment

"STENCH GO AWAY"...

AUTHOR: Karl - (USA)

is a song that's available at this site.


*Just type in 476868 and it appears as 'Consumer Comment #8' at Ripoff Report #476868.



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#6 General Comment

Comparisons

AUTHOR: L Cosgrove - (USA)

I find it hard to believe any Scentura Cult Leaders because the stories and answers constantly change with you people. So then why is your colleague so scared of revealing his identity and the name of his business? In most other lines of work outside of Scentura any publicity would be welcomed with open arms. Yet you guys avoid the media tooth & nail! Why are so many of you so secretive?

IF you choose to stay brainwashed and throw your morals and business ethics out the window Scentura will make you rich Ill give you that.

But dont try saying its not a scam just because you get an office and make money. Why is it so hard for any Scentura cult leader to admit that theyre not in the most ethical business?

But what gives you the idea that every other job out there pays $10 per hour? Every Scentura Cult Leader seems to think that's the only other option out there. I started at $11.50/hour at a call center at the beginning of my career years ago and now Im a CEO and in Law School. 

You can sell cologne in a parking lot (in some cases without permits) and later manipulate people into selling cologne for you for a living if you want. But at least be honest and upfront with what youre advertising and how you're advertising it. I think that's really the only point a lot of people are trying to make on this site.

If I got your colleagues name wrong it does not change the facts. So allow me to again compare the standard practice of a normal company with that of a Scentura distributor.

 

                Most companies provide employees with a full benefits package including medical, dental, vision, 401k and Paid-Time Off upon hire. Scentura provides none.

 

                Most companies pay employees for every single hour they put in, plus time and a half for any hours over 40 in a week, plus bonuses for bringing in new business, plus mileage for the driving they do in the field, plus any and all business related expenses they incur on the job. Scentura pay only commission and reimburses nothing.

 

                Most companies advertise for sales people when looking for sales people. Scentura falsely advertises an extremely risky business opportunity as a Management or Receptionist job.

 

                Most companies hire people with experience in their respective fields. Scentura hires anyone off the street that can be easily brainwashed, knows nothing about the business world or is just plain greedy.

 

                Most companies run background checks at no charge to any prospective employees. Scentura makes everyone pay for a background check that they most likely never conduct.

 

                Most companies have a customer based website, an established customer base and provides all employees (even non-sales staff) with Business Cards which is standard in almost every industry these days. Scentura has none of these things.

 

You can sell fake perfume in parking lots with no benefits or sales permits and later run you own operation getting people to do the same thing by recruiting them through deceptive advertising and encouraging them to become alienated from their family and friends and base your entire life around Scentura. 

Or you can do it the right way by proving yourself to a company that pays you for the hours you work, offers benefits and doesn't lie to and deceive its employees. Later you can work your way up and move on to a better job at another company steadily learning new skills and going home satisfied after an honest days work.

News Stories:

 

http://www.9news.com/rss/article.aspx?storyid=139288

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Nzij9QNYLs

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paneyohWtGk

 

Court Case:

http://www.state.il.us/court/Opinions/AppellateCourt/2001/2ndDistrict/September/Html/2000964.htm

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#7 UPDATE Employee

if no one gets an office does that mean i don't exist?

AUTHOR: Ben (your local perfume guy) - (USA)

just the local perfume guy again. You got papa perfumes name wrong. nuff said there.

and i was hired by scentura, trained by papa perfume himself at times, and i have my own office that I manage with people under me. I am the best rebuttal possible...someone who "fell for the scam" and magically got one of those mythical management positions. I like having my own office, its nice. I hope to give someone else the opportunity that I was given. I really like my job and what its done for me.

Thank you papa perfume and the other managers that helped me out, even chris westphal who sent me some advice himself.

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#8 General Comment

Destroyed Us?! Were still here!! Jaime!

AUTHOR: Just doing this for fun - (USA)

Hey everyone! Its me Lionel Cosgrove!

Jaime (aka Papa Perfume) has not won a single back and forth with me and despite me telling him several times he still seems to forget that I'm not a blowout, just a consumer advocate.

You say you destroyed us in all the previous threads?! Now thats a joke. The only thing youve managed to destroy is your joke of a companys reputation by insulting every person that files a complaint.  Youre the one who admitted to not using your real name in presentations and interviews so how do you expect anyone to believe you Jamie?! Heres a summary of your rebuttals.

         Im rich

         Its not a scam

         Anyone who doesnt take this opportunity makes $10/hr or is unemployable

         I make money so Im better than you

         Random insult

         Add phony best wishes statement

If your company is so great you wouldnt be too much of a coward to give out your name and business location. You have tattoos and piercing and are or once were part of Ultimate Wholesale so you already gave yourself away Jaime. Stop BSing.

RIO!! Search Ultimate Wholesale on this site to further rebut Jaimes brainwashed Scentura talking points.

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#9 Author of original report

Absolutely the weirdest post from Jamie (Pappa Maroon)

AUTHOR: Rio - (USA)

Uh, yeah there Jamie. I am unemployed. Because I am retired. Along with some side businesses, I worked for 25 years as an EE with a reputable company (that provides an actual product).


And, oh yes, January is comming up very soon. I didn't forget. There is just one problem, Jamie....


How is anybody going to believe you?


Not praying for you, no best wishes, hope you are out of business soon.


 

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#10 UPDATE Employee

Fully retired..... AKA: Unemployed

AUTHOR: papa perfume - (United States of America)

Sorry it took me so long to reply buddy.  And my name still isn't Jamie.  You don't even have the right region that I'm in.  But I do applaud the effort.  Are you keeping a eye on the calander buddy.  We are almost 7 months in to the Jan. 25 deadline.  Have you enjoyed the last 7 months in the unemployment line?  I've enjoyed several promotions so far this year.  And now we are coming around to the busy season.  Sept. through May is out of control for us.  It might be a while between post because I've been going from office to office with my new promotions helping them out.  So I'm not at my desk as much as I used to be. 

For anyone who reads these post do your research.  I've absolutly destroyed every BS rant that these blow-outs post.  Bottom line is it's a choice.  Do you want a opportuity or do you want to live check to check.  That's what this business is.  A opportunity.  Some will take advantage of it.  Open their own office and find freedom.  And then there will always be people working the $10/hr job and that's all they'll ever have.  You can't fit a $1,000,000 idea into a $10/hr brain. 

And sad to say I think Rio has fallen off his $10/hr train and is now in a catagory of the unemployable.  A picture is worth a million words and look at his.  I will pray for you.  All of you blow-outs. 

Good Luck and Best Wishes

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#11 Author of original report

Metal face Jamie (Pappa Maroon) seems to be so very quiet now.

AUTHOR: Rio - (USA)

We are so sorry you can't respond anymore, Jamie (Pappa Maroon). Here is my advice, Jamie: Nothing tells the world just how much of a professional you are like yet another piece of metal crammed into your face.

I would suggest a great big Rhino horn screwed right into your forehead. My, what a statement that will make. Who wouldn't buy a bottle of perfume from you then?

No best wishes, not praying for you, hope you are out of business soon.

 

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#12 Author of original report

Poor Jamie (Papa Maroon)

AUTHOR: Rio - (USA)

"42 fat and ugly making 20K"


Here's the real stats, Jamie: I'm 49, six-foot-five, 192 lbs, and fully retired. I understand you have a whole bunch of tatts and body piercings, Jamie. Does that work for you, Jamie?


Just like your a**h*** pal Chris Westphal, an investigative news team is comming your way, Jamie. I'm helping to set it up as we speak. You won't know when, you won't know how, but it's comming.


Back to your tatts and piercings, Jamie, is that why you don't show your face? Not exactly the prettiest puss Larry Hahn ever saw? Is that the problem, Jamie?


Keep running your mouth. At the end of the day, all it does is help me.


 


 

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#13 UPDATE Employee

Close but no Cigar

AUTHOR: papa perfume - (United States of America)

Almost.  Wrong name wrong area but right track.  You need to study a little bit more.  Keep diggin in though you might get it.  All your rants and raves are just an expression of your frustration in you lowly life.  You've picked out one manager that you interviewed with and made it personal.  Chris is a good guy and he's done really well in the business.  I don't feel the need to have to go through your entire post anymore and turn over you BS statements. 

The fact is that Scentura is been around longer then I've been alive and they'll be around after I'm gone.  Direct sales is a ticket for success for anyone who is willing to put forth a little extra effort.  Unless you plan on winning the lottery every person that ever reads these threads will be working into their 60's.  I prefer to have fun and live a above average lifestyle.  You can work for someone else and make your 20K a year I'm not intrested.  I could make 30K in the field in this business. 

And there might be some people like yourself Rio;  42 fat and ugly making 20K; that need that security of the $400 paycheck every week.  But I know there are plenty of people like my self and Mr. Chris that'll sacrifice today for a opportunity of a lifetime.  Some will take advantage of it and some won't.  Next. 

Good Luck and Best Wishes. 

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#14 General Comment

I Know Who Papa Perfume IS!!

AUTHOR: Lionel Cosgrove - (USA)

Papa Perfume's name is Jamie and he's a distributor in the Westport, Kansas City Area. So Now we can finally stop addressing him by his rediculous alias.

Thats right JAMIE! I now know who you are! You gave yourself away by getting so defensive over Ultimate Fragrance aka Five-Star aka Paradise Enterprises and posting on the complaints board but it was Ben your local perfume guy that gave you way. That doesnt change much; youre still a complete and total BSer and Scenutras Public Relations remains a complete and total joke.

For any newcomers to this site Jamie who calls himself Papa Perfume (a ridiculous name by the way) went back and forth with me for months!! In previous threads he admitted that some branch owners place purposefully misleading classified ads, he admitted that some owners do the business the wrong way then jumped right to their defense, he called people names when they gave him honest advice on how to repair his joke of a companys reputation, he dismissed a factual court case that ruled Scentura was a Pyramid Scheme by simply refusing to believe it and he admitted that he doesnt even use his real name in interviews and presentations.

In addition Jamie has demonstrated his ignorance of the law in several instances. He said that 95% of all US cities do not require sales permits..WRONG! He said that he could have people arrested for slander/libel for typing on this site.. WRONG AGAIN!! He said people can go to jail for posting on this site. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!

Ignorance and brainwashing aside; you can choose to stick it out with this company if you wish but first let me compare their business practices to that of a normal business. Im not unemployed, Im not a blowout and yes I run my own business. My companys business practices are the norm at most organizations. I admit my benefits package is more generous than other companies but thats because I strive to maintain a low turnover rate.

I provide my employees with a full benefits package upon hire. Scentura provides none. I comp my sales people for ALL the miles they drive and expenses they incur on the job. Scentura comps nothing! When Im hiring for sales people I advertise for sales positions, when Im hiring for IT people I advertise for IT positions. Scentura advertises an extremely risky business opportunity as a management job. I hire people with experience in their respective fields. Scentura will hire any idiot off the street as long as they can be easily brainwashed or are just plain greedy.

Jamie I bet you didnt even watch the 9 news story on your buddy Chris the tax cheat, woman beater Westphal did you?

News Stories: http://www.9news.com/video/default.aspxbctid=86732794001#/News/Onyx+Wholesale/49906872001/50183015001/86732794001

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Nzij9QNYLs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paneyohWtGk

Court Case: http://www.state.il.us/court/Opinions/AppellateCourt/2001/2ndDistrict/September/Html/2000964.htm

 

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#15 Author of original report

I'm so disappointed :(

AUTHOR: Rio - (USA)

You mean you don't 'pray' for me anymore, Papa? And I'm quite sure your business is so very, very successful. Why else would you bother with a bunch of blow-outs???
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#16 UPDATE Employee

YAY!! For Youtube superstars

AUTHOR: papa perfume - (United States of America)

I'll be excited when he does a real clip on internet terrorist.  Hey maybe he'll interview you personaly Rio.  Just another John that couldn't make it in his field so he becomes a youtube star.  Good luck dude.

These post are always so full of crap.  There are no management positions, but that's why we keep opening up new offices every week!  I guess it makes sense to me.  Well good luck in the $18,000/yr income bracket blow-outs

 

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#17 Author of original report

Thank you, John

AUTHOR: Rio - (USA)

I know who you are and I very much appreciate the work you have done in elevating the consciousness of communities all over the U.S. when it comes to Scentura Creations. We have a local 'investigative guy' here in Denver named Jace Larson who has also helped exspose these people for who they are.


Keep doing what you are doing. If our only combined goal is to continue educating the masses, then we have already won the war.


Thanks again.


-Rio


 

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#18 Consumer Comment

Scentura Still a Scam

AUTHOR: investigativeguy - (USA)

   Its Amazing that after 10 years people inside the Scentura scam still try to convince the public that it is ok to lie to people about a job (no managers jobs ) then get them to illegally sell (no peddler permits) cheap knock off perfume on street corners. It still stinks .For the latest see  what we did at Investigative guy with them.

http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2010/08/03/job-ads-lead-to-scentura-a-perfume-deal-that-stinks

or go to 

http://www.investigativeguy.com

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p.s. roaches are easier to get rid of then these folks
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#19 Consumer Comment

Darwin awards

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

I had a friend work for this company at one point. (I am surprised they are still around). I don't think they are necessarily a rip off, but if anyone actually works for them for more than a week, that just proves the lack of mental evolution that exists in some aspiring sales people. There's several other companies that do the perfume hustle, and they are considered not a scam by the fact that they do 10-99's rather than W-2's, but what sales person is actually going to do their taxes on every perfume sold? Just another MLM deal...
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