• Report: #163441

Complaint Review: Seton Medical Center

  • Submitted: Sat, November 05, 2005
  • Updated: Fri, December 28, 2012

  • Reported By:Sanbruno California
Seton Medical Center
1900 Sullivan Ave Daly City, California U.S.A.
  • Phone: 650-991-6892
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  • Category: Hospitals

Seton Medical Center Insurance fraud malpratice hospitol scam Daly City California

*General Comment: Seek legal assistance

*General Comment: I'm sorry for your experience.

*Author of original report: Seton Medical malpratice and illigal activities

*Author of original report: Seton Medical malpratice and illigal activities

*Author of original report: upsetting update

*Author of original report: ER insurance scam.

*Author of original report: Whats going on?

*Consumer Suggestion: What's Going On?

*Author of original report: To pete and Jennifer

*Author of original report: Asking for Pain pills?

*Author of original report: Asking for Pain pills?

*Author of original report: Asking for Pain pills?

*Author of original report: Asking for Pain pills?

*Consumer Comment: If you want people to take you seriously

*Consumer Comment: ILLIGAL?

*Consumer Comment: I READ VERY WELL, THANK YOU.

*Consumer Comment: I READ VERY WELL, THANK YOU.

*Author of original report: A practitioner who doesnt seem to read to well

*Consumer Comment: Pain medicine

*Author of original report: Just a tidbit of info about what the public doesnt know about our doctors and nurses.

*Author of original report: Just a tidbit of info about what the public doesnt know about our doctors and nurses.

*Author of original report: Just a tidbit of info about what the public doesnt know about our doctors and nurses.

*Author of original report: Just a tidbit of info about what the public doesnt know about our doctors and nurses.

*Consumer Comment: WRONG, I'M A NURSE PRACTITIONER IN AN ER IN THE EAST BAY

*Author of original report: Obviously same person from hospitol replying

*Consumer Comment: SOME THINGS IN YOUR STORY DON'T RING TRUE..

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Dont know where to start. It seems like this with nightcrew at hospitols anywhere in CA, but this one is worse.

Ever know a nurse to influence a doctor before? I know I havent till today. a RN nurse Julia in the emergency room not only influenced the doctor into not helping my fiancee properly, had even as much attempted to comit insurance fraud then had the nightcrew staff back her up when I got the police involved making her look like she was innocent. Her superior tried convincing me otherwise. Now to explain what took place.

I brought my fiancee in to the hospitol who is 16 weeks pregnant and in a lot of pain. Her pain meds she bairly touched as they wouldnt elivate her pain, and believe me, they were very strong.

The place wasnt busy, which was shocking though we waited a while in the waiting room. I talked with the registration desk knowing that it can be hours being there and also knowing that 1am would be the last buss. Intake informed us that if we did, the hospitol would get us a cab and a voucher sent to the insurance.
We went in, and she was in her room hours with nothing being done about her pain until I got a nurse who was very rude and didnt inform the doctor till I grabbed one myself lator and she went to run out of the room as I pointed her out to the doctor as the one I talked to.
Doctor did a series of tests plus gave her a shot which lasted only a few hours of morphene and explained what her problem was. She was back in pain again a few hours lator on while we were still at the hospitol. The doctor said the pain would subside in a few days and was asked if before they sent her home if hed give her more medacine as what shes taking wasnt helping at home and at the time she was in a lot of pain again. Doctor said he would. He left and the nurse with the attitude came in and started telling my fiancee she was releasing her then when asked about what about her pain,and that the doctor stated he would do something for her before she left started giving her own opinion on why she wouldnt (Didnt know RN nurses had the authority to change a doctors orders) She then went as far as saying "Im signing you out, if your still hurting you have to go to intake and have yourself signed back in again for further treatment" This is 100% insurance fraud. and I demanded to talk with the doctor. I cought her talking to the doctor who then gave a bogus reason for not giving her pain meds, none true.

I then called the police who showed up and talked with me and the department. Sure enough they all grouped together and made it look like they said "If she went home, and still was hurting, she can come back" This wasnt the case at all. It was a full case of taking advantage of the learning disabled, and thinking they can get away with it! Oh, last part, the taxi part was a ruse. They said nothing of the sort was said nor would they get the intake person to verify it. Basically, this hospitol or the ER is more of an insurance fraud and malpratice case ready to explode.

Scott
Sanbruno, California
U.S.A.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 11/05/2005 03:03 AM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Seton-Medical-Center/Daly-City-California-94015/Seton-Medical-Center-Insurance-fraud-malpratice-hospitol-scam-Daly-City-California-163441. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 General Comment

Seek legal assistance

AUTHOR: mr_anderson162 - (United States of America)

Scott, from this post i have to ask you if you sought for legal consult. It seems like you have multiple issues with this hospital, its staff and doctors that you seem very concerned that more harm could happen to other patients. what's stopping you from filing a legal action or going to the media to get the needed attention to stop all the mess this hospital is doing? you mentioned "something must be done before any of your love ones die or get hurt", so far after your experiences, what have you done?
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#2 General Comment

I'm sorry for your experience.

AUTHOR: mr_anderson162 - (United States of America)

Scott, first of all i am sorry for what you and your fiancee had been through especially during the difficult time when you guys were expecting a baby.
I was just browsing the net when i came across your post.
To be fair for both sides, there could be info that you did not provide in your story because everything doesnt add up in the end in my opinion. Nurses can see your insurance  on your information sheet up front but they DONT KNOW what services any particular insurance covers for ANY PATIENT from whatever background you are (since you mentioned about having some disadvantage/s). I am 100% sure that the ER doctor checked your lab tests & didnt see anything (at that time) and gave you a prescription to get as a home pain medication to treat your fiancee's pain and advised you to go back if the pain still persists hence what the ER nurse meant by checking you back in. Doctors are 100% careful not to commit any mistakes or to tell you bluntly "covering their butts" to prevent any lawsuits. Most doctors nowadays are doing unnecessary tests to make sure eveything is checked just to cover everything. And yes, nurses CAN & DO influence/suggest to a doctor on what to do with a certain patient since we spend more hours of patient care than them. And if you really felt that the hospital did a big mistake by sending you home or misdiagnosed you, committed fraud or discriminated you in any way, you should've called the State to report them or get a lawyer (fees wont be an issue for you if the lawyer thinks you have a case and they are sure they will win). I really sound like i'm on the hospital's side but like i said, you could be holding more info from your post.
By the way I am a nurse in the state of California, 17 years and counting and I am a patient advocate like many other nurses. I love my job and this might sound cheesy and cliche but we work hard to help people get better and nursing is a noble profession i'm proud of.
All the best to you and your family.
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Seton Medical malpratice and illigal activities

AUTHOR: Scott - (U.S.A.)

I sent my wife to Seton Medical hospital while I was having surgery done elsewhere as per doctors request despite what happened three years ago and this is what took place.

I got an emergency call while in the middle of the procedure but at least was able to answer it. Wife was sent to Seton Medical Center via ambulance because she was throwing up blood, had fever of over 101, and in serious pain. When she got there, she was refused service though given three shots in her arm that she did not ask for nor told what they were and forced out of the hospital.

I called up being a state worker now and the charge nurse who refused to give me her name stated that they did not consider my wifes insurance real insurance because it paid less then what it would cost to help her and that the tube inside her which was part of what was causing her infection would not be replaced because it was too expensive (Which by the way is $5.00)

The wrong type of tube was sent by their vendor despite constant complaints since November of 2007. They also stated that her doctor had dropped her weeks ago and that they should refuse services and send her packing. This was done by the same doctor by the way who gave her trouble back in 2005 and I have verified by her doctor what he stated no such thing and is still her doctor to this day. Absolutely nothing was done other then the shots, and I was told that she was lucky they were giving her a lift home.

When I told them its against federal law to refuse service they stated "So what? No ones going to do anything about it anyway, so complain as much as you want" Well, so far they seem to be right because the governor Arnold Schwarzenegger brushed this off, as well as the Senators office.

Seems California breaks a lot of federal laws, and they do not feel they have to follow them, nor will anyone do anything to make sure California does and fact a hospital can clearly brag about it, definitely shows this. Last year a woman and child died by their hands for the same thing and yet nothing was done.

I sent my wife to Mills Peninsula who went out of their way to help her, did CAT scan, and a few other tests. Results were a tumor in her uterus, a hernia that was caused by her last c-section, and her throwing up was from an infection caused by both. The doctor who released her stated she needs to have an ultra sound done but couldnt do a normal one because it was after hours and to immediately schedule one with her OBGYN who by the way works out of Seton.

Back to Seton, she had written a list of all her problems and the OBGYN didnt bother to read it. Not only that, but he refused to do the Ultra Sound as well. I called him up and he was very rude and when I told him that the ER doctor stated she needed the Ultra Sound he said she didnt, and if the ER wants it done, they should do it. (Again insurance interfering in what treatment the doctor and hospital does)

What it boils down to is the Doctor doesnt make enough to do the tests, and that had he done these tests it would have proven him at fault in the first place in which he could have put him open to a malpractice suit.

Having talked with some of the paramedics, and officers in trying to prosecute Seton, I have found out that they try to avoid Seton if they can, but unfortunately both state and federal are turning their backs on them even if when it results in a childs death.

Something needs to be done about this place, because you never know, the next child/love one they kill could be yours?
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Seton Medical malpratice and illigal activities

AUTHOR: Scott - (U.S.A.)

I sent my wife to Seton Medical hospital while I was having surgery done elsewhere as per doctors request despite what happened three years ago and this is what took place.

I got an emergency call while in the middle of the procedure but at least was able to answer it. Wife was sent to Seton Medical Center via ambulance because she was throwing up blood, had fever of over 101, and in serious pain. When she got there, she was refused service though given three shots in her arm that she did not ask for nor told what they were and forced out of the hospital.

I called up being a state worker now and the charge nurse who refused to give me her name stated that they did not consider my wifes insurance real insurance because it paid less then what it would cost to help her and that the tube inside her which was part of what was causing her infection would not be replaced because it was too expensive (Which by the way is $5.00)

The wrong type of tube was sent by their vendor despite constant complaints since November of 2007. They also stated that her doctor had dropped her weeks ago and that they should refuse services and send her packing. This was done by the same doctor by the way who gave her trouble back in 2005 and I have verified by her doctor what he stated no such thing and is still her doctor to this day. Absolutely nothing was done other then the shots, and I was told that she was lucky they were giving her a lift home.

When I told them its against federal law to refuse service they stated "So what? No ones going to do anything about it anyway, so complain as much as you want" Well, so far they seem to be right because the governor Arnold Schwarzenegger brushed this off, as well as the Senators office.

Seems California breaks a lot of federal laws, and they do not feel they have to follow them, nor will anyone do anything to make sure California does and fact a hospital can clearly brag about it, definitely shows this. Last year a woman and child died by their hands for the same thing and yet nothing was done.

I sent my wife to Mills Peninsula who went out of their way to help her, did CAT scan, and a few other tests. Results were a tumor in her uterus, a hernia that was caused by her last c-section, and her throwing up was from an infection caused by both. The doctor who released her stated she needs to have an ultra sound done but couldnt do a normal one because it was after hours and to immediately schedule one with her OBGYN who by the way works out of Seton.

Back to Seton, she had written a list of all her problems and the OBGYN didnt bother to read it. Not only that, but he refused to do the Ultra Sound as well. I called him up and he was very rude and when I told him that the ER doctor stated she needed the Ultra Sound he said she didnt, and if the ER wants it done, they should do it. (Again insurance interfering in what treatment the doctor and hospital does)

What it boils down to is the Doctor doesnt make enough to do the tests, and that had he done these tests it would have proven him at fault in the first place in which he could have put him open to a malpractice suit.

Having talked with some of the paramedics, and officers in trying to prosecute Seton, I have found out that they try to avoid Seton if they can, but unfortunately both state and federal are turning their backs on them even if when it results in a childs death.

Something needs to be done about this place, because you never know, the next child/love one they kill could be yours?
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#5 Author of original report

upsetting update

AUTHOR: Scott - (U.S.A.)

Talked with the officer on the phone at length who was the one who did absolutely nothing at the hospital, and is doing absolutely nothing now. Kept claiming its a civil matter. Funny how the other officer I talked with said totaly oppiset. Insurance fraud, lying to officer, all proven, and he refuses to deal with it. Im going to be talking with the DA Monday, and also the fraud division.
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#6 Author of original report

ER insurance scam.

AUTHOR: Scott - (U.S.A.)

For all of those medical praticians above who put me and my fiancee down trying to make it look as if we were taking advantage of the system when in fact it was a doctor and nurse from the ER of Seton Medical I just like to state that justice is now going to be served. One who said it doesnt matter becasue of what medical pays? Guess what, if your doing exactly that, charging twice for same service knowingly, your probably going to be joing the ones in jail one day to. Whys that? Becasue both doctor and nurse responsible who also lied to police have been cought red handed and believe me, Im very smug about it. Coppy of all records from the ER for that day, including copies of ultra sound showed in fact she needs surgery and that the people who were responsible for following up to see this didnt and released her as ok.
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#7 Author of original report

Whats going on?

AUTHOR: Scott - (U.S.A.)

Whats going on is she was brought to the hospital, admitted, problem discovered, then told in order for her to get more help they will be discharging her and she needs to go back to the admitting window to be checked in again.
There is no mistake whatsoever with comunication, were both LD, and they tried taking advantage of it. They tried to make it look like after I got the police involved that it was a miscomunication stating "nurse said if she goes home and the problem persists she can return" That in fact was not what took place. Been to hospitals quite a few times in life, and this was definately not the case. All they wanted was for her to go to the intake window again just so they could hit the state with another charge and believe me, the staff pannicked and both people involved were no where to be seen when the police arrived.
Thing that sickens me is the responces above from medical personal, making it look as if we were out to get pain medications and trying to take advantage of the system. Youd think a little common sence would make it clear that if this were the case, I wouldnt be posting here for one, second if I were trying to take advantage of the system why would I care if she signed in a second time? Fact is, I am reporting it here, I didnt let them sign her in again, and I got the police involved who unfortunately did nothing. Signing her in a 2nd time would have allowed the doctor and hospital to get paid twice for the same job.
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#8 Consumer Suggestion

What's Going On?

AUTHOR: Layla - (U.S.A.)

I am assuming your fiancee wanted to be admitted to hospital for her pain? If that was the case, perhaps the doctors felt her condition didn't require her to be admitted. Did either of you ask to have her admitted?

Otherwise, if they had done all they could for her pain, and there was absolutely nothing else that could be done, it is completely normal for them to discharge her and send her home and advise her to return if the pain persists or gets any worse. There's no need for her to hang around all night and take up a bed that could be used by someone who is in more pain, or hurt very badly.

As far as I saw, nobody who responded to you broke any privacy laws. One lady just listed different insurances, she didn't list your name, your fiancee's name or condition. So she didn't violate anyone's privacy.

I'm sorry that you are having so much stress with this situation. I am just not sure what your complaint was, but from what I can tell, their actions were completely normal. Why pay for three days in an uncomfortable hospital when you can go home to your own bed? I know I'd rather be at home!
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To pete and Jennifer

AUTHOR: Scott - (U.S.A.)

FIrst all, sorry if you dont like my spelling, its my disability and I guess since Im not as high and might as you are guess you will have to live with it. As for taking responsibility, I am. I do work, pay for my insurance and partially the babys. WHy am I not married, it really isnt any of your business, but actually, Ill tell you why. Because my fiancee is LD and worse where she cant and why? Because stupid doctors and nurses years ago like now who shouldnt have been pratacing in the first place messed her up when whe was a baby with improper medications, and diagnose. Its permanent, and actually, the hospitol should be responsable. Now, under income wise, I been taking care of her. In reality since you thingk Im takign advantage of the system, think of this. If I didnt get involved with ehr in the first place, more in taxes would be going to her for her gome, upkeep, even permanent hospitolization. Now the bad part. The same laws which seems the hospitals feel they dont have to follow also make it that if we get married, shes no longer entitled to any help whatsoever. Guess what, Im just as disabled and no way capable of doing this alone. And again, this is all about a hospital that tried taking advantage of a patient they thought was stupid and wouldnt think twice about reregistering. Im as conscoiuse of people taking advantage of the system, I hate people who do it,and I nor my fiancee do. I could have easly been out as well. Take a good look here, seems no one cares that this hospital is milking a system and taking advantage of the disabled, they just care about yelling at the person who wrote the message becasue what? Not married, ones on the system? Know what, either many above are people from hospitals, or just plain stuck up and if all you can do is bash me, Im glad your tax money is being wasted by these places. Maybe youll think twice about having patients rights laws enforced and these places investigated. Oh yes, last but not least, I heard a comment on tv on how people on any type of services have attitudes, and Id just like to say, if the shoe was on the other foot, and you were put down by people like your selves who thought them selves better, I think youd develope a defensive attitude too.
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Asking for Pain pills?

AUTHOR: Scott - (U.S.A.)

Where anywhere in the post did I mention the patient asking for pain pills? I didnt. Thats becasue as I said before she has plenty and they wernt helping her for her pain plus has plenty of refills if she wanted and believe me, the hospitol sent her home with another perscription that just got thrown in the junk drawer of the same thing.
As for seeking pain meds, that wasnt the case. She was diagnosed and a problem was found, in which she was given as I stated earlyer morphene. Yes she pregnant, and yes the doctor felt it safe. This isnt a complaint about wether she was given pain meds or not, this is a complaint that the doctor said since the pain was going to last a few days, hed at least give her another shot before she left which turned to shed get a shot again after she reregistered which is what the nurse wanted and doctor followed up. There is no reason what so ever for doctor or nurse to require a patient to have to re-register. If they felt she needed another shot, then it should have been done. Not should have been done once they made her re-register. Seem all ready to complain about people taking advantage of the system, though I dont hear you complaining about the hospitols,doctors, nurses taking advantage. Or is it your one of those types that feel the laws are for everyone else but you?
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Asking for Pain pills?

AUTHOR: Scott - (U.S.A.)

Where anywhere in the post did I mention the patient asking for pain pills? I didnt. Thats becasue as I said before she has plenty and they wernt helping her for her pain plus has plenty of refills if she wanted and believe me, the hospitol sent her home with another perscription that just got thrown in the junk drawer of the same thing.
As for seeking pain meds, that wasnt the case. She was diagnosed and a problem was found, in which she was given as I stated earlyer morphene. Yes she pregnant, and yes the doctor felt it safe. This isnt a complaint about wether she was given pain meds or not, this is a complaint that the doctor said since the pain was going to last a few days, hed at least give her another shot before she left which turned to shed get a shot again after she reregistered which is what the nurse wanted and doctor followed up. There is no reason what so ever for doctor or nurse to require a patient to have to re-register. If they felt she needed another shot, then it should have been done. Not should have been done once they made her re-register. Seem all ready to complain about people taking advantage of the system, though I dont hear you complaining about the hospitols,doctors, nurses taking advantage. Or is it your one of those types that feel the laws are for everyone else but you?
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Asking for Pain pills?

AUTHOR: Scott - (U.S.A.)

Where anywhere in the post did I mention the patient asking for pain pills? I didnt. Thats becasue as I said before she has plenty and they wernt helping her for her pain plus has plenty of refills if she wanted and believe me, the hospitol sent her home with another perscription that just got thrown in the junk drawer of the same thing.
As for seeking pain meds, that wasnt the case. She was diagnosed and a problem was found, in which she was given as I stated earlyer morphene. Yes she pregnant, and yes the doctor felt it safe. This isnt a complaint about wether she was given pain meds or not, this is a complaint that the doctor said since the pain was going to last a few days, hed at least give her another shot before she left which turned to shed get a shot again after she reregistered which is what the nurse wanted and doctor followed up. There is no reason what so ever for doctor or nurse to require a patient to have to re-register. If they felt she needed another shot, then it should have been done. Not should have been done once they made her re-register. Seem all ready to complain about people taking advantage of the system, though I dont hear you complaining about the hospitols,doctors, nurses taking advantage. Or is it your one of those types that feel the laws are for everyone else but you?
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Asking for Pain pills?

AUTHOR: Scott - (U.S.A.)

Where anywhere in the post did I mention the patient asking for pain pills? I didnt. Thats becasue as I said before she has plenty and they wernt helping her for her pain plus has plenty of refills if she wanted and believe me, the hospitol sent her home with another perscription that just got thrown in the junk drawer of the same thing.
As for seeking pain meds, that wasnt the case. She was diagnosed and a problem was found, in which she was given as I stated earlyer morphene. Yes she pregnant, and yes the doctor felt it safe. This isnt a complaint about wether she was given pain meds or not, this is a complaint that the doctor said since the pain was going to last a few days, hed at least give her another shot before she left which turned to shed get a shot again after she reregistered which is what the nurse wanted and doctor followed up. There is no reason what so ever for doctor or nurse to require a patient to have to re-register. If they felt she needed another shot, then it should have been done. Not should have been done once they made her re-register. Seem all ready to complain about people taking advantage of the system, though I dont hear you complaining about the hospitols,doctors, nurses taking advantage. Or is it your one of those types that feel the laws are for everyone else but you?
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#14 Consumer Comment

If you want people to take you seriously

AUTHOR: Jennifer - (Algeria)

Learn how to spell. Especially, since your report is about a hospital, learn to spell hospital correctly. It will give you so much more credibility.
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#15 Consumer Comment

ILLIGAL?

AUTHOR: Pete - (U.S.A.)

What I find 'illigal' here is the milking of the system. Unless an absolute medical catastrophe, what hospital would give a narcotic to a pregnant woman? Just who are these pills supposed to be for? You refer to the woman you brought to the hospital as your 'fiancee.' What ever happened to the old adage--'First comes love, then comes marriage, then comes someone with a baby carriage?' Or are you not married to your 'fiancee' because the state or federal government would expect you to take care of your responsibilities? I agree with the previous poster in that I see nothing wrong with assistance on a temporary basis, but you seem to know the system quite well.
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#16 Consumer Comment

I READ VERY WELL, THANK YOU.

AUTHOR: Sherri - (U.S.A.)

Your tantrum about the diapers was that you were not allowed to use a membership at Costco that you did not own. Pay $45 for one year, get your own and go all you want. I pay $100 a year for mine, and get a rebate back every year that is usually double the membership fee.

What you don't understand is that I see indigent patients all of the time and they are treated just the same as a patient with traditional insurance. I have had wealthy patients come in for narcotic analgesic medication when there is no clinical indication for it and the test results don't match the subjective symptoms. If there is no clinical indication for it, the patient is sent home and told to come back if symptoms worsen or to make a follow up with his/her Primary Care Physician. If there is a pattern of the patient coming in seeking narcotic pain meds, we will also talk to them about it and on rare occasions, they will own up to the fact that there is a problem and we can arrange help.

Mike made some excellent points. Perhaps you should listen to him.
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#17 Consumer Comment

I READ VERY WELL, THANK YOU.

AUTHOR: Sherri - (U.S.A.)

Your tantrum about the diapers was that you were not allowed to use a membership at Costco that you did not own. Pay $45 for one year, get your own and go all you want. I pay $100 a year for mine, and get a rebate back every year that is usually double the membership fee.

What you don't understand is that I see indigent patients all of the time and they are treated just the same as a patient with traditional insurance. I have had wealthy patients come in for narcotic analgesic medication when there is no clinical indication for it and the test results don't match the subjective symptoms. If there is no clinical indication for it, the patient is sent home and told to come back if symptoms worsen or to make a follow up with his/her Primary Care Physician. If there is a pattern of the patient coming in seeking narcotic pain meds, we will also talk to them about it and on rare occasions, they will own up to the fact that there is a problem and we can arrange help.

Mike made some excellent points. Perhaps you should listen to him.
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A practitioner who doesnt seem to read to well

AUTHOR: Scott - (U.S.A.)

Its amazing how you state how I think things should be handed to me. As for diapers, seems you didnt read the post correctly. Since I was buying them. Not the state, not welfare, me. As for what I feel my fiancee is entitled to? Guess what. shes entitled to the same treatment as anyone else despite her insurance which is guaranteed by federal law. Treating a patient differently because its medical, is illigal. Telling a patient they are being released and have to sign back in at the window to get further treatment is illigal. Fact you said its 11 cents to the doller and you feel nothings wrong, shows perfectly well you have no business pratacing as a nurse at all. If you think what you feel over rides what federal and state law requires, I can bet you wont be pratacing too. As is said in the main page, many authorties, organizations, and so forth read these pages and Im sure our government would be happy to know that the hospitols are comiting insurance fraud and you feel its ok. Maybe the public needs to see now that maybe its not always the people wether temporarly or permantly on these services that take advantage of them, but the doctors, nurses, hospitols who do.
Forget the medication, the nurse who you are obviously protecting required my fiancee to sing a discharge and tell her to sign back in for further help. Its illigal, no matter the insurance.
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#19 Consumer Comment

Pain medicine

AUTHOR: Mike - (U.S.A.)

There is so much abuse of "strong" pain medicine that doctors are afraid to give it to people who really are in pain. In a roundabout way, pain medicine addicts are causing pain in others.

It does appear to me that the entire purpose of this hospital trip was to obtain pain medicine(*). Now there may have actually been pain. But since no definite medical problem was diagnosed, the staff ends up assuming she's just out for the pills. Then they show her the door.

Nurses do influence doctor's decisions all the time, which is actually good because it isn't reasonable to expect one person (the doctor) to know everything. A nurse typically spends a lot more time with the patient than the doctor does.

(*) The fact that your fiance didn't take all the pills she had at home is actually evidence that she may be addicted. No addict wants to take the last pill and then not be able to get more.
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#20 Author of original report

Just a tidbit of info about what the public doesnt know about our doctors and nurses.

AUTHOR: Scott - (U.S.A.)

Though this has no relation to the above problem, what Im about to say may as well be taking place here as well. If you check the stastics in regards to deaths, accidents, in many of our hospitals, most that can be avoided, it might be due to the people performing their so called trade who should never have been graduated to the profession in the first place. Why? Ill tell you.
Most doctors, nurses, technicians, in college and after go to hospitols all over for training and more schooling till they are certified. Someone I knew was in one of these schools trying to be a nuclear medacine technician who hated it, and was only doing it because her parents wanted it. I met many of the other techs and soon to be doctors and what I learned since the numbers are huge scared me beyond belief. Many in these groups dont know what they are doing and only do it by trial and error as they dont understand most of the schooling behind it. I only discovered this when I was visiting one of these places and was asked to get a scientific calculator to pass a test that was left home. It was then I saw stored in it a LOT of info. I asked her about it and found out not only she, but many others were storing answers in order to pass their tests who tought her how to do this as well. I tried talking her into finding another profession before she killed someone, and dont know whatever came of it, but a good portion of the people she worked with told me they did the same as casualy as if you asked them for a cup of coffie. Imagine, in these places, they teach 20+ per class, and 10 classes are 200 students. 1/4 do this, thats 50 people, and thats just one school!!!! Can you imagine how many are out there just guessing on what they need to do or using trial and error? I can already see a few from the above hospitol like this and already workingon moving back to origional hospital.
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#21 Author of original report

Just a tidbit of info about what the public doesnt know about our doctors and nurses.

AUTHOR: Scott - (U.S.A.)

Though this has no relation to the above problem, what Im about to say may as well be taking place here as well. If you check the stastics in regards to deaths, accidents, in many of our hospitals, most that can be avoided, it might be due to the people performing their so called trade who should never have been graduated to the profession in the first place. Why? Ill tell you.
Most doctors, nurses, technicians, in college and after go to hospitols all over for training and more schooling till they are certified. Someone I knew was in one of these schools trying to be a nuclear medacine technician who hated it, and was only doing it because her parents wanted it. I met many of the other techs and soon to be doctors and what I learned since the numbers are huge scared me beyond belief. Many in these groups dont know what they are doing and only do it by trial and error as they dont understand most of the schooling behind it. I only discovered this when I was visiting one of these places and was asked to get a scientific calculator to pass a test that was left home. It was then I saw stored in it a LOT of info. I asked her about it and found out not only she, but many others were storing answers in order to pass their tests who tought her how to do this as well. I tried talking her into finding another profession before she killed someone, and dont know whatever came of it, but a good portion of the people she worked with told me they did the same as casualy as if you asked them for a cup of coffie. Imagine, in these places, they teach 20+ per class, and 10 classes are 200 students. 1/4 do this, thats 50 people, and thats just one school!!!! Can you imagine how many are out there just guessing on what they need to do or using trial and error? I can already see a few from the above hospitol like this and already workingon moving back to origional hospital.
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#22 Author of original report

Just a tidbit of info about what the public doesnt know about our doctors and nurses.

AUTHOR: Scott - (U.S.A.)

Though this has no relation to the above problem, what Im about to say may as well be taking place here as well. If you check the stastics in regards to deaths, accidents, in many of our hospitals, most that can be avoided, it might be due to the people performing their so called trade who should never have been graduated to the profession in the first place. Why? Ill tell you.
Most doctors, nurses, technicians, in college and after go to hospitols all over for training and more schooling till they are certified. Someone I knew was in one of these schools trying to be a nuclear medacine technician who hated it, and was only doing it because her parents wanted it. I met many of the other techs and soon to be doctors and what I learned since the numbers are huge scared me beyond belief. Many in these groups dont know what they are doing and only do it by trial and error as they dont understand most of the schooling behind it. I only discovered this when I was visiting one of these places and was asked to get a scientific calculator to pass a test that was left home. It was then I saw stored in it a LOT of info. I asked her about it and found out not only she, but many others were storing answers in order to pass their tests who tought her how to do this as well. I tried talking her into finding another profession before she killed someone, and dont know whatever came of it, but a good portion of the people she worked with told me they did the same as casualy as if you asked them for a cup of coffie. Imagine, in these places, they teach 20+ per class, and 10 classes are 200 students. 1/4 do this, thats 50 people, and thats just one school!!!! Can you imagine how many are out there just guessing on what they need to do or using trial and error? I can already see a few from the above hospitol like this and already workingon moving back to origional hospital.
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#23 Author of original report

Just a tidbit of info about what the public doesnt know about our doctors and nurses.

AUTHOR: Scott - (U.S.A.)

Though this has no relation to the above problem, what Im about to say may as well be taking place here as well. If you check the stastics in regards to deaths, accidents, in many of our hospitals, most that can be avoided, it might be due to the people performing their so called trade who should never have been graduated to the profession in the first place. Why? Ill tell you.
Most doctors, nurses, technicians, in college and after go to hospitols all over for training and more schooling till they are certified. Someone I knew was in one of these schools trying to be a nuclear medacine technician who hated it, and was only doing it because her parents wanted it. I met many of the other techs and soon to be doctors and what I learned since the numbers are huge scared me beyond belief. Many in these groups dont know what they are doing and only do it by trial and error as they dont understand most of the schooling behind it. I only discovered this when I was visiting one of these places and was asked to get a scientific calculator to pass a test that was left home. It was then I saw stored in it a LOT of info. I asked her about it and found out not only she, but many others were storing answers in order to pass their tests who tought her how to do this as well. I tried talking her into finding another profession before she killed someone, and dont know whatever came of it, but a good portion of the people she worked with told me they did the same as casualy as if you asked them for a cup of coffie. Imagine, in these places, they teach 20+ per class, and 10 classes are 200 students. 1/4 do this, thats 50 people, and thats just one school!!!! Can you imagine how many are out there just guessing on what they need to do or using trial and error? I can already see a few from the above hospitol like this and already workingon moving back to origional hospital.
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#24 Consumer Comment

WRONG, I'M A NURSE PRACTITIONER IN AN ER IN THE EAST BAY

AUTHOR: Sherri - (U.S.A.)

And the medication errors you are referring to happened at Kaiser. Seton, if I recall, is part of the Daughters of Charity system.

Your story still doesn't add up. And it was pretty obvious what "insurance" you had. If you can't afford diapers or a taxi, I seriously don't think you could afford traditional healthcare insurance premiums. Nothing wrong with getting public assistance short-term..it is just the people who feel they are entitled to have everything handed to them for free and make it a lifestyle instead of a temporary situation that I take exception to.
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#25 Author of original report

Obviously same person from hospitol replying

AUTHOR: Scott - (U.S.A.)

Its obviouse Sherri above is a nurse from the same hospitol as she posted what insurance was had and also is a criminal offence posting paitients records which I'll be reporting to authorities right now. Second, there was no red flag for continual hospitol visits for pain medication as last visit there was 3 months ago and no pain meds was asked for or given. As for what the problem is, its not listed as its personal and not needed. Whats needed is for people to know that this hospitol commited insurance fraud and tried hiding behind the police I called rewording what they said to me so as not to get in trouble. Telling a patient who is still in pain "Were signing you out, in order to get more help you will have to go to the window to re-register" Is illigal, no matter what the insurance company pays.

And by the way, as for whining, I had every full right to complain about the diapers before becasue the same manager who said they would help out one time only said that to get us in the store to get membership and had no intentions. Thats the same thing as like other companies advertising a product they dont have to get someone into their store to then sell a more expensive one they do have.

Its funny how the nurse stated shed be helped again if she reregistered, not if you go home and the problem persists you can come back. Exact words were "We cant help you anymore, so are discharging you. If your still in pain you need to go re-register at intake" Hmm? sounds like insurance fraud to me and I promise you, Im going to make sure ones praticing this illigal pratice dont pratice anymore.

By the way, anyone reading this, please check your newspapers in CA from Daly City area. You will notice that this hospitol among others have done similar and caused deaths due to mistreating patients. There was a death yesterday on the news by misdiagnosis.
Last but not least, almost forgot. A good % of the nurses and staff at the hospitol instead of working on patients were actually in back watching TV, talking, fighting over doing chores, and best of all, on the computer playing on the net.

Im sorry about other staff in past that will unfortunatly get in trouble for this staffs negligance, though I did make sure to get the names of those responsible which were reported to the state this moring.
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#26 Consumer Comment

SOME THINGS IN YOUR STORY DON'T RING TRUE..

AUTHOR: Sherri - (U.S.A.)

First of all, you don't say what type of pain she was having. Secondly, a pregnant woman should really not be taking pain meds, and I know that I would never administer morphine or any other narcotic analgesic to a pregnant woman.

Nurses influence doctors all of the time, as they are the first one to triage and assess the patient. Has your fiancee come in quite often, asking for pain meds? If so, that could be one red flag. Obviously, her pain was not TOO acute, if you took her over there on the bus..had it been major, she would have been brought in by ambulance. Likely, her subjective symptoms did not correlate with her test results, so further pain medication was not indicated. We get people in all of the time seeking morphine or other pain meds and no real indication for them. These people get "flagged" after awhile. The fact that you seem to know all the night crews at hospitals and how they operate tells me that either you or your fiancee get around to them

Hospitals are under no obligation to provide transportation to you. Many still get provide vouchers, but these are never billed to private insurance or Medi-Cal. Social Services will provide these on a case-by-case basis. Of course, coming from the same man who whined because he couldn't use his sister's Costco membership to buy diapers, I wouldn't except any less of a sense of entitlement from you. Personally, if you can't afford diapers or a taxi ride home, I would stop making babies. Or do you expect the taxpayers to pay for them as well?

Please explain how it is insurance fraud to tell your fiancee that she can sign herself back in if her pain doesn't get better. You are aware that Medi-Cal and the county subsidized health plans (such as the one San Mateo County has) pays approximately 11 cents on the dollar in comparison to the Medicare fee schedule? They are NOT getting rich off of you.
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