• Report: #62433

Complaint Review: Shawangunk And Pegleg

  • Submitted: Tue, July 01, 2003
  • Updated: Thu, April 26, 2007

  • Reported By:Waldron AR
Shawangunk And Pegleg
Socksville, Nebraska U.S.A.

Shawangunk And Pegleg (and Others Like Them) Let's all BOYCOTT them!!! waste of time, slime-balls, cowards, morons, fools, big clowns!! Socksville Nebraska

*Consumer Comment: Dr. Shawangunk...I 'm here!!

*Consumer Comment: Thank you Robin for your Report

*Consumer Comment: AMEN!!! solving your perceived dilemma

*Consumer Suggestion: Shawangunk on other message boards doing the same thing

*Consumer Suggestion: I'm still here...and no I did not contact wired cops

*Consumer Comment: Shawangunk is Shilling for World Wide Source

*Author of original report: Oh Great Moggly Goggly; he's BACK!

*Consumer Comment: Any luck dealing with the FBI and wired cops?

*Consumer Comment: Just for the record & my final comment.

*Consumer Comment: A few corrections

*Consumer Comment: Oh, Pegleg, not again! Cant you break that hacking habit of yours?

*Consumer Comment: Oh, Pegleg, not again! Cant you break that hacking habit of yours?

*Consumer Suggestion: Where do you get off?

*Consumer Comment: Oops..entire towns are moving now. A note to Jacqueline

*Consumer Comment: Why won't *YOU* let me quit beating this dead horse???

*Consumer Comment: OK, enough is enough!

*Consumer Suggestion: Okay, I will try this again.

*Consumer Suggestion: Robin - is your foot where your mouth is?

*UPDATE Employee: Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

*Consumer Suggestion: We're not beating a dead horse. We're distracted. I WONDER WHY

*Consumer Comment: "Suzzie", you have found us out. Here is the whole story, but you must promise not to tell a soul!

*Consumer Suggestion: Look's like it's not quite over!

*Consumer Comment: Flogging a dead horse

*Consumer Suggestion: one more thing ...

*Consumer Suggestion: Just as I thought ....

*Consumer Comment: Have you noticed; all seems quiet on the home front....

*Consumer Suggestion: Suzzie or Shawangunk can just stay out of it.

*Consumer Suggestion: How about some examples of your "evidence" then?

*Consumer Suggestion: Sorry, I'm not done yet.

*Consumer Suggestion: What the Hell?

*Consumer Suggestion: Alert from FTC for spam/scam email

*Consumer Suggestion: What is going on here?

*Consumer Suggestion: What is going on here?

*Consumer Suggestion: What is going on here?

*Consumer Suggestion: What is going on here?

*Consumer Comment: April, you've got stones the size of grapefruit to accuse someone ELSE of posting bogus reports!

*Consumer Suggestion: New update

*Consumer Comment: Could we hear a word from the EDitor?

*Consumer Comment: Shhh! Quiet!! Do you think he knows??

*Consumer Comment: To TOM:

*Consumer Comment: The town of Shawangunk is REAL!

*Consumer Comment: Stop the madness! Shawangunk is nothing but a troll!

*Consumer Suggestion: Wait, you missed something.

*Consumer Suggestion: Wait, you missed something.

*Consumer Suggestion: Wait, you missed something.

*Consumer Suggestion: Wait, you missed something.

*Consumer Suggestion: Here's another list

*Consumer Suggestion: PLEASE do not access: http://www.shawangunkridge.org! They're NOT hackers!

*Consumer Comment: Perhaps we should lay old Shaw to rest for awhile. We can always dig him up later if necessary!

*Consumer Suggestion: More info

*Consumer Comment: TWO MORE

*Consumer Comment: Shaw = Rach? Naaahhh!

*Consumer Comment: Dinner and a Hair Cut

*Consumer Comment: Connection between "Shawanga" and "Shawangunk".

*Consumer Comment: Connection between "Shawanga" and "Shawangunk".

*Consumer Suggestion: Has anyone noticed bogus Reports?

*Consumer Suggestion: Has anyone noticed bogus Reports?

*Consumer Suggestion: Lighten Up Ladies and Gents - Life's too short!!!

*Consumer Suggestion: Sorry, forgot something!

*Consumer Comment: A chronological "map" of our adventures with Shawangunk.

*Consumer Suggestion: Important information for everyone!

*Consumer Suggestion: Important information for everyone!

*Consumer Comment: Duplicate links...not part of the issue.

*Consumer Comment: Duplicate links...not part of the issue.

*Consumer Comment: Duplicate links...not part of the issue.

*Consumer Comment: I too have seen some funny things in my email!

*Consumer Comment: The spam attack is underway again....replies for Tom and Jaqueline

*Consumer Comment: The spam attack is underway again....replies for Tom and Jaqueline

*Consumer Comment: I've read them all

*Consumer Suggestion: To Robin

*Consumer Suggestion: Okay, cool Jasper, we need you next store : )

*Consumer Suggestion: "Shawangunk Loathers Society" has moved HERE! Why a boycott will not work in this case.

*Consumer Comment: They have more important things to do

*Consumer Suggestion: www.wiredcops.org

*Consumer Comment: Stop huffing paint, Shawangunk.

*Consumer Suggestion: To: Wettsy

*Consumer Comment: Flabbergasted?

*Consumer Comment: Flabbergasted?

*Consumer Suggestion: Flabbergasted ..

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These ignorant clowns have been blasting victims on this site right and left. Being a big supporter of one's right to show one's ignorance in public if one chooses to do that, I have refrained from emailing the ED to see if we could have these people blacklisted. I think it probably would be against the policy of this site as well, to keep someone out.

BUT, they are disruptive. Rather than offer constructive advice to victims, many of us have gotten side-tracked into what amounts to unproductive fights on this site with these goons. We are not accomplishing what we come here for when that happens.

The range of topics that these poot-heads seem to be experts in is absolutely astounding! I believe they have posted on every topic available on this site. That seems suspicious to me.... I am wondering now if these two are engaged in a "sneaky war" on this site?? If they attack the victims, perhaps people will be AFRAID to post here??

Imagine being a brand-new poster and being greeted after your first post with a rebuttal like these idiots are posting! Would have scared me off, and I don't scare easily!

So, I AM BOYCOTTING THEM! No matter what outrageous stupid comments these people make, I will ignore them. These morons are now INVISIBLE to me. I will stick to the issue at hand and if I cannot offer constructive advice or support to the victim, I will move on. If they are doing this simply for "the fight" I refuse to give it to them. No more will I "argue" with these people! I urge the rest of you to follow suit and perhaps they will simply fade away....

Robin
Waldron, Arkansas
U.S.A.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 07/01/2003 08:14 AM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Shawangunk-And-Pegleg/Socksville-Nebraska/Shawangunk-And-Pegleg-and-Others-Like-Them-Lets-all-BOYCOTT-them-waste-of-time-slim-62433. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Consumer Comment

Dr. Shawangunk...I 'm here!!

AUTHOR: Jodi - (U.S.A.)

First Sockville, Nebraska. A town that doesn't exist. Shawangunk, such an uncommon name ( in fact I've never heard it before). Is it just a coincidence. You are claiming there are two of you, yet the (other) Shawangunk seems to have stopped posting from Nebraska (fake town) at the exact same time Shawangunk from Middletown NY began posting. People with the extremely uncommon name Shawangunk, picked the same (name) to use, on the same web-site, use the same writing style, abuse and lie to customers in the same way. A coincidence..... I don't think so! Again HAAAAAAA HAAAAA HAA!! Love,
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#2 Consumer Comment

Thank you Robin for your Report

AUTHOR: Jacqueline - (U.S.A.)

Thank you for submitting this Report, and giving the Volunteers of the site a chance to communicate. I still haven't decided as to whether I will be filing my own.

I just wanted to let you know, that I am forwarding this Report to the ED. You've put so much hard work into this, and deserve recognition.

It is also encouraging to see you out there fighting the good fight.

I can only speak for myself, and realize this is a community service for everyone.

Again, thank you. I look forward to crossing paths in other Rebuttals. You never know.

By the way, you are welcome to have my email, if you wanted. It's up to you. Contact ED.

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#3 Consumer Comment

AMEN!!! solving your perceived dilemma

AUTHOR: Paul Pickle - (U.S.A.)

Excellent take on the situation, Chris! May we all put this "discussion" to rest now? I admit it is entertaining reading people's multi-paginated analyses, including threats pertaining to contacting the FBI, FTC, wired cops (LOL!!!). But really, if you have nothing logical, realistic, and constructive to contribute here, then why bother? As Chris said, you are simply reaching out and taking the bait, each and every time.

Wired cops ... I simply cannot get that picture out of my mind. What are they? Inspector Gadget wannabe's wearing bullet proof vests and transporting themselves via little satellite controlled spaceships? LOL!!!! I hope that you found them useful in solving your perceived dilemma on this board. LOL!!!!
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#4 Consumer Suggestion

Shawangunk on other message boards doing the same thing

AUTHOR: Chris - (U.S.A.)

Shawangunk (or whatever the name is)...

People,

You are really blowing this out of proportion. I've seen Shawangunk on other message boards doing the same thing. He's not trying to bring this site down, and He's not remotely controlling your computer through the harmonic waves on your CD-ROM drive. He's not hijacking your e-mail, and the FCC, the Web Cops (or whatever), and the real cops have better things to do than worry about what Shwawngunk is: A Troll. That's it, that's all, He's a Troll. The definition of Troll from Dictionary.com is: "To fish for by trailing a baited line from behind a slowly moving boat"

Well people his comments are the bait, and you are the fish. Don't bite at the bait and He'll leave for better fishin' grounds.
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#5 Consumer Suggestion

I'm still here...and no I did not contact wired cops

AUTHOR: Jacqueline - (U.S.A.)

It simply isn't necessary to contact wired cops for a dimented little pest, who accomplished nothing the whole time. This site is growing. There are regular users, volunteers, and more new people accessing everyday. The Rip-off Report is a global success.

This sick-in-the-head individual has failed to: 1-shut this site down, 2-stop regular volunteers, 3-stop consumers from receiving help. He's a complete and total failure.

It isn't necessary to contact the F.B.I. That doesn't mean it wont be in the future.

I've run across some Shawanbullshit, but it's not the same. He just makes himself look stupid, and everyone ignores him.

If I see extreme abuse, public harassment, and a shut down of help given to consumers, then I'll respond. If he's just being immature, and making snide little comments, who cares? Really, he's boring.

I just wanted to respond, because I was the one who mentioned the wired cops, not sure about the F.B.I.

If he is doing something illegal, we will always have the evidence to print out right here, because he's too stupid. The Rip-off Report gets posted on the WWW. Everyone can see it, including the F.B.I. According to the EDitor the F.B.I. visits this site regularly. They understandably have bigger fish to fry.

I have found other Law Enforcement and Internet professionals who have offered valuable information. We simply do not share all of it here. It wouldn't help, and we would be tying the proverbial bell around the cat's neck, if we gave that information out.

Robin it was good to here from you.

Take care.

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#6 Consumer Comment

Shawangunk is Shilling for World Wide Source

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Dear EDitor,

Periodically an 'employee' rebuttal is appearing on World Wide Source reports. The so-called 'employee' has no information to add other than that which could be gleaned from reading the reports. But he sure hates seeing helpful information about "his" company posted on the site.

See report at:
http://www.ripoffreport.com/view.asp?id=71598
"employee rebuttal" [not the Employee Update -- Inside Information, but the SECOND Employee Rebuttal] and we've found our boy at it again.

It's Shawangunk without the boo-hooing. I doubt he'll take my challenge to mount an intelligent defense of this company.
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#7 Author of original report

Oh Great Moggly Goggly; he's BACK!

AUTHOR: Robin - (U.S.A.)

Actually, Shawangunk had disappeared for a long period. Lo and behold, I see tonight that he/she/it is back! (Responded to a different post)

It gets pretty interesting when Shaw shows up; this person is as mean as a rattlesnake and seems to delight in bashing victims.

I think they are having a problem with the dosage for the meds for this person or something.

I do not know if the ED of the site ever found him/her/it. The BS pretty much quieted down, the malicious spam and odd site failures seemed to vanish. We just all sort of dropped the issue and got on with our lives with a sigh of relief.

I never contacted the FBI personallyodd that no one ever reported back about that.

Well, this individual has many identities and a bushel basket of malevolence to unload.

Keep watching; things could get weird.
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#8 Consumer Comment

Any luck dealing with the FBI and wired cops?

AUTHOR: Scott - (U.S.A.)

I've been reading this series interesting reports and they seem to have stopped all of a sudden. Do any of the original posters have an update to post on this site? Any luck dealing with the FBI and wired cops? Were you able to crack this individual you're complaining about?
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#9 Consumer Comment

Just for the record & my final comment.

AUTHOR: Jacqueline - (U.S.A.)

I don't know why Ms. Skeeter Suzzie Skankgunk thinks the ED hasn't given this any attention. I just said, in the Rebuttal prior to the one posted now---the notes from Staff and Ed are INBETWEEN, and DO NOT APPEAR in the form of a Rebuttal or Report, for the record.

If he wants to imagine this is the only area where we post, great. It would work out well, if it means he will stop publically attacking consumers looking for help. His opinion never mattered at any give point. With every worthless heckle, nothing he ever said mattered. I still believe, this freak has nothing to offer, and probably never will.

Now his little game will never be the same. It will not be fun, because he can't just attack, whenever he wants. I noticed too, he tended to attack consumers, mostly in the travelripoffreport.com section, where Reports appear like rolling credits. He always wanted to be the first one to respond, because that was the way he caught people off gaurd. If his Rebuttal is the second or third the same impact, was not there. Then the attack is not so pleasing and entertaining for him. Again, it will NEVER be the same.

Robin--You should see the psychanalyst's evaluation I ran on him. It's a dry sarcastic blend with a little tongue-in-cheek. The subject is in the "malignant narcissism" area. It would be too long to post here, but it might be a fun read. Now that you want to end the post, it's your Report, so I hope it will end. Maybe we need to start a new one, just for the sake of space and loading time, but then maybe not. :) I just might submit the evaluation as a separate Report.

All of my Rebuttals go through perfect. I haven't seen any more disappearing Reports, but I will always be on guard, keeping watch.

The email I received said that they are WORKING ON IT, so the coward freak can just move on, and quit trying to speak for the Ed and Staff.

This Report has been rewarding in many ways. It's good for the overall morale of the regular volunteers, and it brings some important issues to the table of the Rip Off Report.

You have enough information for someone to realize there is available evidence. The freak knows too. He's just too lazy to review the information posted, and may not have the necessary capacity to articulate.

This Report is up to about 60 pages now.

All the while, he still asking questions. He does not respond to any information given, because he wants information for himself, and will see only what he wants. He has no grasp on reality.

Robin--hope everything works out.
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#10 Consumer Comment

A few corrections

AUTHOR: Felix - (U.S.A.)

First, there is no way to mix-up something like "Pigeon Trap" with "Corn Junction" using autofill, at least with MSIE. That would seem to be a technical basic. I don't know how you can supposedly deduce any advanced hacking techniques when you seem so ignorant of computer basics.

Second, why is that one obvious fake ranking on Walla Walla? YOU LIVE IN INDIANA, FOR PETE'S SAKE! Walla Walla is known for onions and as the home of Whitman College, and is a sportsman's paradise. Hammond, Indiana? Though previously known for nothing, it is now known as the home of MOO-MOO WEARING HARPIES WHO ADVOCATE KNOCKS ON THE DOOR IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT for those who are right in the face of their shrill wrongness!
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#11 Consumer Comment

Oh, Pegleg, not again! Cant you break that hacking habit of yours?

AUTHOR: Robin - (U.S.A.)

How did *YOU* manage to respond to my rebuttal within three hours of my submitting it in and approximately five hours BEFORE it posted??? (Not possible without some hanky-panky!)

And *YOU* are suddenly worried about the number and quality of the posts the ED has to wade through every day? *YOU*, who along with your cronies was spreading mindless belligerence all over this site not too long ago? Give me a break!

Well, *YOU* have outed yourself right here for anyone who is interested. Feel better now?
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#12 Consumer Comment

Oh, Pegleg, not again! Cant you break that hacking habit of yours?

AUTHOR: Robin - (U.S.A.)

How did *YOU* manage to respond to my rebuttal within three hours of my submitting it in and approximately five hours BEFORE it posted??? (Not possible without some hanky-panky!)

And *YOU* are suddenly worried about the number and quality of the posts the ED has to wade through every day? *YOU*, who along with your cronies was spreading mindless belligerence all over this site not too long ago? Give me a break!

Well, *YOU* have outed yourself right here for anyone who is interested. Feel better now?
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#13 Consumer Suggestion

Where do you get off?

AUTHOR: Pegleg - (U.S.A.)

What makes you think that you and your precious reports are so special that the Ed should drop everything and pay particular attention to your gripes and falsified stories you like to concoct? Have you seen the thousands of other posts on this board that the Ed must weed through day-to-day? What makes you think that your posts deserve any more special attention than any others here? Get over it! If you do not like what I or anyone else has to say, then simply don't engage in any discourse with us. That being said - tootle loo!
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#14 Consumer Comment

Oops..entire towns are moving now. A note to Jacqueline

AUTHOR: Robin - (U.S.A.)

Sorry, Skeeter, *YOU* moved from Pigeon Trap, West Virginia to Jaspers old hometown of Corn Junction. Kind of threw me off there. I addressed the last rebuttal to the wrong alias; doesn't matter. It applies to *YOU*/"all of you".

I can see *YOU* moving around, but HOW did *YOU* move the entire town of Corn Junction from South Carolina to West Virginia? It is extremely hard to move the geographic location of an entire town, buildings and all.

I don't think *YOU* did move the whole town. Better kill off some of those AKAs and empty that autofill a bit; *YOU* are really losing it! I will rent space in my new freezer to *YOU* for a nominal fee...

My foot is not in my mouth today; is your foot in your mouth? Send us a picture. I have heard of that condition, but have never seen it up close.
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Jacqueline, don't worry about all this; I have a really good idea who this person is. (Notice how "they" suddenly seem to want to stop all this dialogue?)

I am going to drive him crazy for awhile longer, because he totally deserves it! I'll tire of it in a few months or years and let him be. Meanwhile....

.....Hell hath no fury.....
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#15 Consumer Comment

Why won't *YOU* let me quit beating this dead horse???

AUTHOR: Robin - (U.S.A.)

Jasper, ol buddy; did you move from Chicago back to Corn Junction already? Did the big city make you nervous? Or do you share Shaws gypsy-like makeup, always moving around?

I decided NOT to ignore and boycott; it only gave *YOU* free run of the site. What are *YOU* going to do about it? There were other issues at work that needed to be addressed. We did discuss them thoroughly and now we are done. But I evidently am not done with *YOU*, as *YOU* keep asking me questions. *YOU* will be hard pressed to get a straight answer from me, but keep plugging away. I am the mistress of disinformation at times, so stay on your toes.

If *YOU* have read any of the latest responses, *YOU* know that I have tried diligently to wrap up this issue. Then your alter ego Suzzie shows up to stir the pot. Now, another personality, Jasper, is stirring the soup. WHY?

Surely *YOU* are not a big enough dumba$$ to believe that I was actually giving away secrets and free information in my rebuttal to Suzzie. Take off your tinfoil cap and relax. The alien contact is not even scheduled to take place until the end of next month! Fooled *YOU*, didnt I?

The upshot of all this is: *YOU* ARE HERE! I see *YOU* nowhere else on this board recently. *YOU* are effectively caged right here! I consider that a boon to this site. I still manage to get posted elsewhere once in awhile; I dont see *YOU* anywhere else. Since *YOU* and all your alternate personalities seem to take great pleasure in this post and it seems to keep *YOU* confined, I will be happy to keep *YOU* engaged in witty repartee for as long as it amuses me to do so!

Keep posting and I will attempt to keep answering just to keep *YOU* engaged and amused and confined. At least *YOU* are not running amok bashing victims! If I do not answer, someone else might. Eventually, this entire post will take so long to load that we will be able to respond only every two or three days due to the long loading times. Or the ED may decide enough and quit posting all this. I thought that had already happened after my post to Suzziesigh.

By the way, your Circuit City personality Brian from Toledo is taking heat on another post and its NOT from any of us! For every fallen warrior, there are always more to take up the cause and carry the banner for justice! I know *YOU* have seen it. That post has a line saying that Brian will mail a virus to every email address he can get.How about telling me how Brian gets the email addresses. Cmon, you can trust little ol me.

Better just send Brian on over here with the rest of your many colorful personalities. Who knows, if *YOU* get all your personalities/names/alter egos on the same page, *YOU* may be cured! I will not even charge for therapy. Just send a small donation to this site, okay?

Every time I try to quit beating this seriously injured, if not already dead horse, *YOU* show up to keep it going. WHY? Come on, admit it; *YOU* really like me and live for reading my sparkling commentary. You probably sit up every night waiting for the rebuttals just to see what gem of wisdom I might have dropped that day.

*YOU* cannot bear the thought that I will abandon *YOU* to the wasteland of your own mind. I have no doubt that *YOU* will respond under some name or other; just keep it right here and there will be no trouble. I will answer if I feel like it, and wont if I dont. *YOU* have no power over that!

Got a new freezer yesterday. It is huge! (I did not get it at Circuit City or Best Buy). I now have more places to hide the bodies



Have a GREAT day!!!
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#16 Consumer Comment

OK, enough is enough!

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

This is going to be my last appeal to reason on the part of this site's participants.

There is no insidious conspiracy going on here; just a lot of individuals letting trolls take us all through the hoops. I said it before, and I'll say it one last time. They love to disrupt websites; they need someone to acknowledge their pathetic attempts to justify their existences; basically, they love to be the center of attention. They are highjacking this site and we're allowing them to make it possible. That's how they get their rocks off.

I'm not playing anymore. If you're wise, you'll do the same. This is a respectable site with honorable motives; not a playground for any idiot with a modem to raise havoc.
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#17 Consumer Suggestion

Okay, I will try this again.

AUTHOR: Jacqueline - (U.S.A.)

Robin-There is no special hotline to the EDitor. The EDitor and Staff do not always post in the form of a Report, Editorial or Rebuttal. Sometimes the notes are in smaller print/fonts inbetween different Reports. Even in your own Report. The Staff Note said: "Not different emails.." can't remember the exact words right now. The other notes and comments can be found right here in the "Blabber Mouth" category, in the Report from Orlando, FL and the other from Gibsonia, PA. These links are listed multiple times here, we've all read these Reports, so I assumed everyone could view them. Not sure how the visuals and quality are for everyone else. This could just be a minor oversight. I would be happy to provide you with a composite/transcript (NOT cut and paste), but just a full listing of the messeges and where they are placed. These are long Reports. Yours is about 46 pages. Hey, I'm here for you, just let me know what I can do to help.

I emailed the EDitor, and he stated they are looking into it, and thank you. Now we have to let them do their job.

April---I've read your IHOP Report. I have to be hones, not all the way through, because it's a year long. I never thought it was bogus. Did you notice the third to last Rebuttal from Walla, Walla, Washington? That sounds like our resident imp. Based on your final Rebuttal, it sounded like you caught on to him. Thank you for your input, I've printed out all the links you posted.

Tim--You were right and I was wrong. This person is not very bright. He just doesn't have it together. There is nothing wrong with your links. They are accurate. I followed your tip, with no problem, so I guess I owe you an apology. I apologize! Hope you're still out there, haven't heard from you in awhile.

Now from where I stand, this was not just about Ms. Suzzie Shawanskank. We had a concern for hacking from MULTIPLE sources, where one hack may not even know the other. If he's working for someone I wouldn't be surprised. When he goes into detailed attacks, he's always trying to get information out of everyone. Just where do they work? Just what are their qualifications? He was ESPECIALLY OBSESSIVE with Lori. He tends to follow females from on Rebuttal to another even when they tell him repeatedly to leave them alone, he pursues, just like a STALKER. I never thought he was the only one, trying to sabatoge the site and regular volunteers.

I did by the book. It may not count as a donation, but I did by it, because if I am going to support the site, I should be able to put my trust into the quality of their product, and the Staff overall. I still might donate later on, down the road.

This is just food for thought--troubleshooting: I would not recommend sharing to much information here. There will be information, I give to the EDitor, that you will NOT see here. We would be tying the proverbial bell around the cats neck.

I'm not going into anymore detail, because the first Rebuttal that I submitted might go through, now I don't know. If it does not go through, I am concluding with these final words from Kenneth, obviously disregard this, if the first attempt does appear:

"Shawangunk: Your responses (both on this issue and others on this same website) indicate a deeply troubled mind (and too much time on your hands due to unemployment). You need professional help, if nothing else to understand when an issue has been put to bed. You lack the very basic ability to address an issue at hand and are easily led astray." [condensed] http://www.ripoffreport.com/view.asp?id=60833
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#18 Consumer Suggestion

Robin - is your foot where your mouth is?

AUTHOR: Skeeter - (U.S.A.)

Gee Robin, I recall you writing, in the very first message dated 7/1, and I quote: "So, I AM BOYCOTTING THEM! No matter what outrageous stupid comments these people make, I will ignore them. These morons are now INVISIBLE to me."

If you are boycotting, ignoring, and making invisible the perpetrator here, then why do you continue to discuss this issue so freely and openly. Aren't you doing the very opposite of what you said you were going to do? What is the problem ... can't resist the temptation?

I think you - and everyone - should take your very first suggestion and quit beating this dead pony to boot.
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#19 UPDATE Employee

Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

AUTHOR: Amy - (U.S.A.)

Reading these posts has proven quite an interesting journey. It does not sound from the likes of this person that he or she hails from the Shawangunk Valley area of New York. It could very well be that this person is indeed named Shawangunk. It does happen to be a common African-American woman's name in the tri-state area. Please do not let this person's comments ruin your impression of our beautiful town. We are a thriving, small, close-knit community nestled in the beautiful Ulster County mountains. We can assure you a friendly, hospitable visit should you ever come to visit our town. I'm not quite sure how our lovely village has been thrown into the limelight here, but rest assured we are nothing at all like the person in question here, we are actually quite the opposite. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I regret that I cannot do anything to help.
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#20 Consumer Suggestion

We're not beating a dead horse. We're distracted. I WONDER WHY

AUTHOR: Jacqueline - (U.S.A.)

Robin--there is no special hotline to the EDitor or Staff. Any input they have is not in the form of a Rebuttal or a Report. Their notes are in fine print inbetween, right here in the Blabbermouth category. Even here in your own Report, there's a small fragmented note, stating "not duplicate emails." Maybe the visuals on your screen are different from mine, and it's just an oversight. The other notes are in Lori and Rach/anonymous/whoevers Report. Those links have been posted multiple times here, so I assumed everyone saw them. I doubt you will have a problem locating them, if so hey, I'm here for you. I'll post a compsite/transcript, only upon request. I have emailed the EDitor, and he said "he's working on it and thank you". Still waiting for a reply to my second one.

I'm not sure I agree with the site calming down, but it doesn't matter because the Staff and EDitors are going to need some time to look in on this problem.

April--I noticed someone called you a fake and a liar, connected to your IHOP Report, which I never thought was bogus. This is just an observation: IT'S SHAWANGUNK. I mean come on--WALLA WALLA WASHINGTON? He's still at it. I think you caught on, based on your Rebuttal to him, but just wanted to mention, I noticed him, too. Now that everyone knows he's a male, he comes out with cheezy stupid idiotic female names, because TOM WAS RIGHT. Which brings me to my next point. Thank you for your input in general.

Tom--YOU WERE RIGHT!!! I am glad I didn't bet money, because I would have lost a lot. Your links are accurate. Your observation about the pesky little nat was correct. He's just not very bright......this is sad. This is a sheltered simpleton locked away some where in hell, that comes out at night to play over here. I guess I owe you and apology. I apologize for the record, and hope you're still out there.

Everyone----We need to realize posting all information here is not going to work. I have been emailing information, that will not be posted, because it's not secure. We would be tying the proverbial bell around the cat's neck.

HACKS---You're wasting your time. I will resubmit this Rebuttal, until it goes through--so do whatever the hell you want. This Rebuttal WILL GO THROUGH!!!!!!! I can see what you're doing here.

The reason Ms. Suzzie Shawanskank has not filed a Report is because you have to submit more information, in order to complete the process. There is information noted as "Required Fields". The chicken s**t knows it would be caught. Either way we just have to let them do their job.

My email is back to normal. I never had the problem with spam.

As I said in a prior Rebuttal these are MULTIPLE SOURCES. One hack may not even know the other. I will not go into detail here. I am not trying to decieve anyone, but I will not post all the information.

I would not advice anyone to "cut and paste" anything to this Report. You don't know the trail you might leave in the process, and why make it so easy for them? (the hackers) Little sick-in-the-head Suzzie will dance around and attack everyone, because she's manipulative.

What I have noticed to, with this freak, is that they are always trying to get information out of everyone, while they attack. I've reviewed the Reports. This person wants information. In a fit of anger, we might all be somewhat vulnerable, but don't give in, don't volunteer too much about your professional or personal background in general.

I would like to conclude with and observation from Kenneth, the link will appear at the end:

"Shawangunk-Your responces (both on this issue and the others on this website) indicate a deeply troubled mind (and too much time on your hands due to unemployment). You need professional help, if for nothing else to understand when an issue has been put to bed. You lack the very basic ability to address the issue at hand and are easily led astray. [condensed] http://www.ripoffreport.com/view.asp?id=60833
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#21 Consumer Comment

"Suzzie", you have found us out. Here is the whole story, but you must promise not to tell a soul!

AUTHOR: Robin - (U.S.A.)

"Suzzie",

We are so grateful and honored that you noticed, read, and engaged yourself with this little report. You have obviously found us out, so now I must tell you the whole story.

We all come to the Rip-OffReport.com in order to single out one single helpless soul. We then bash, whine, whale away and cry about all our problems, while pounding our completely innocent victim into pulp. We are a savage and bitter bunch, always on the prowl for new innocents.

You are absolutely correct in your statement that Shawangunk/PegLeg/Shawonga/Wettsy/Suzzie,etc., etc. never did one thing wrong.

This site is sending a subliminal signal that is causing some fairly smart folks to mass-hallucinate. The ED has been doing it since late April/early May. It causes us to see evil where there is only good. It causes us to think that the Shaws were doing damage when in reality, they are so very helpful and concerned.

We only THOUGHT that this Shaw person was bashing victims, when in reality this person was kind, gentle, and quite helpful to all victims. We IMAGINED the filthy crap in our email inboxes and the attacks on our operating systems. This site was never really attacked or hacked, all those outages were part of the Plan.

The ED got the Master Plan for this signal early last April while he was in the hands of the aliens. The aliens had picked up on the Rip-OffReport.com out in space and they thought the ED was the ruler of our planet since he was working so hard to stamp out evil. They were anxious to help the ED fight evil. So they traded this signal for a supply of mincemeat pies, which the ED agreed to provide on a regular basis.

Yes, the ED of this site is clever and decided to experiment with our heads in order to compel us to post these things and make fools of ourselves; it is really all part of the ongoing tests. He is checking that the signal given to him by the aliens is real (the universe is full of scammers, you know). The whole plan is to be able to control the minds of all who come here and then sell the signal to the Government for an obscene amount of money!

Only some of us are affected enough to see the awful email. Only some of us imagine the email with payload. So, it is not a complete success and not quite ready for sale to the Government yet. In order to tune up the signal and make it completely effective, more tests must be done.

In an attempt to ensure that the signal is completely effective, the ED has cranked it up a notch or two. (He told me all this in the email that I imagined I got two months ago; the same email in which he outlined this whole plan. I am sure others have imagined getting that email, as well.)

Anyway, with this even stronger signal at work, all of us will soon be twice as venomous and vicious as before and you, too, will begin to be affected by the signal. But, since you appear to be a newcomer to this site, you will not be able to catch up with us very soon.

We have pretty well pounded poor, misunderstood Shaw into small enough pulp at this point for another pie, and it is time to feed the aliens again. The aliens really like these pies, so we are compelled to find new victims very quickly. A mind-controlled persons work is never done, sigh.

If we find that you have told one living soul of the Master Plan we will be forced by the signal to bake another pie! Go away, Suzzie before you fall under the influence of the new and improved mind-control signal. Get out, while you still can.

You had better keep all of this under your hat, Suzzie, because we see through you! We will not ignore you any longer and you do not want to be noticed by US!

You will not stand in the way of the Plan for world-domination! You will not stand in the way of the ED becoming stinking rich! You will not disrupt our site with your silliness! We are very busy here trying to take over the planet.

Dont mess with us, Suzzie, we are running out of places to hide the bodies!
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#22 Consumer Suggestion

Look's like it's not quite over!

AUTHOR: April - (U.S.A.)

Robin, I was with you. Then we see another rebuttal by "Suzzie." Amazing how this rebuttal is just all so much like we've heard so many times before. "Suzzie," thank you for confirming this with your last rebuttal. Looks like "Shaw" will continue to play.
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#23 Consumer Comment

Flogging a dead horse

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

Please, let's give this dead horse a rest!

"Shaw" cannot be bombarding anyone with spam unless the EDitor has been releasing e-mail addresses to this party (which I sincerely doubt). There has recently been a concerted effort on the part of offshore spammers to fill the void left by the spammers who have been banned by ISP's in the U.S., but trust me, it has nothing to do with the likes of "Shaw".

"Suzzie" is nothing but another troll. Keep on responding to her, and she'll respond back. Trolls love attention. The best thing to do under the circumstances is to ignore the gibberish they post and eventually they'll get tired of playing.

Why don't we all point this website back in its original direction (consumer affairs) and disregard the people who come here just to flame others and bring attention to themselves?

Give them all the respect they deserve (none) and move on. Send them all to Tupper Lake to collect Elvis T.V. trays and impregnate their first cousins ;-)
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#24 Consumer Suggestion

one more thing ...

AUTHOR: Suzzie - (U.S.A.)

Just out of curiosity ... if no one is able to explain just one piece of evidence, rather than produce a bunch of mumbo-jumbo garbage and tell me "you just had to be there," then just what are you providing to the FBI, ciber police, internet cops, etc. etc. etc. to prove your case? Come on now, get real! What are you trying to accomplish, aside from making a huge folly out of yourself?
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#25 Consumer Suggestion

Just as I thought ....

AUTHOR: Suzzie - (U.S.A.)

Just as I thought ... you are NOT able to produce any evidence to support your claims. You are just a bitter person who has singled out someone to bash in order to make yourself feel better. I am glad to see that you are limiting yourself to this one individual and post. Bash away, whine and cry, make a big to-do over nothing. It is quite humorous anyway, to see the mystical stories you concoct and actually convince yourself are true. But those of us who have something better to do will not continue to read your posts, as they are nothing more than garbage. I don't know what kind of point you are trying to proove, since you have no evidence. But it appears you are mostly just interested in dragging this on and on and on, since you get so much satisfaction out of it. Carry on, carry on! I hope someone will continue to listen to you, so you will feel like the powerful person you so much wish to be.
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#26 Consumer Comment

Have you noticed; all seems quiet on the home front....

AUTHOR: Robin - (U.S.A.)

Hello again,

The victim-bashing on this site seems to have come to an abrupt end. Whether that is due to vigilance on the Staff's part or a lack of interest by the person/people who were doing it, it appears that we have accomplished the goal here. The reports being posted all seem to be legitimate these days.

As for Suzzie, all I can say is "You just have to have been there". There is no way to explain all the nuances of this story to someone not following along as it happened. You would be required to read nearly every post from April to date. You would be required to endure a blizzard of sick, perverted email in your inbox, followed by email "bombs" designed to disrupt your OS. It is a complicated and weird story. Unless you are willing to go through all that, quit bugging us about it! It seems to be immaterial now anyway.

How does everyone get all this info from the ED? Is there some hotline in place that I am unaware of? If the ED knows Shaw is a man, and he knows that Shaw and Pegleg are the same person, and he knows all this stuff other folks are privy to, he probably knows pretty well WHO was doing this by now. In which case, the case is closed unless we hear otherwise. If you do, let us know.

Meanwhile, lets not start bashing each other over this; it is nonproductive.

Be vigilant; stay watchful. I think the storm has passed for the time being, but one never knows when it may return.
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#27 Consumer Suggestion

Suzzie or Shawangunk can just stay out of it.

AUTHOR: Jacqueline - (U.S.A.)

You sound like Shawandick, so I don't know who you're trying to fool. If you are not, then you think and WRITE, just like him. The EDitor already said this freak is a "HE". For the record, whenever we have posted an inaccurate alias, the EDITOR TELLS US.

You're not even supposed to be here.

As long as I see you posting at this site, the EDitor will be informed. The conditions changed, and I have PROOF. The EDitor stated that as long as HE (Shawan) does not attack (hurt) the victims, he was allowed back, that was stated in the Rusty Scupper Report. However, after a time, with this freak causing more trouble, he and the Staff stated: "If he slips past, tell them where the Report is located", which would contain an S-Funk Rebuttal. So it is obvious, you're a HACK. You are NOT welcome here, yet you still come back; which is even more proof that you're sick-in-the-head. You can find that statement, which specifies you're not supposed to come back, made by the Staff, here in the Blabber Mouth category, in the Report dated August 1, 2003, posted from Orlando, Florida. It was a Report against you...IF you are Shawhinegunk.

Technically speaking, only the EDitor can verify whether or NOT Suzzie is Shawangunk. If "IT" is not Shawangunk, he sure has the typical Shaw-skunk stench. I've already emailed the EDitor. You have the same stuck up attitude. Really at this point, you might as well be Shawastink.

You don't know what kind of evidence is available, and no one has to prove anything to you. Because, surprise--no one has to answer to you.

As for the rest of the volunteers:

Please, I am only requesting be careful what information you give out to this freak, because it could just be a way to work around what we already know. The EDitor and the Webmaster need the information even more so, because if they keep letting Shawaprick come back to the site, there will be even MORE trouble. They specified, "if he slips past give them the name of the Report, he appears in".

Okay, Suzziegunk, you've made your little point. You support your alter ego, so go away and stay out of it. You've made it clear now, that you have NOTHING to offer, except to make a pest of yourself.

If you're really not him, then you will know to just stay out of it. You can't just waltz into the middle of a story, and know the details. If you are him, then go ahead dig a deeper whole.
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#28 Consumer Suggestion

How about some examples of your "evidence" then?

AUTHOR: Suzzie - (U.S.A.)

April, if Shaw has harassed "numerous" people on this site, could you please provide evidence from his posts? I'd like to see it. Because from all I can tell, he was just stating his opinion. Just because you do not like his opinion, or he hurt your feelings, does not make it "harassment." Please copy and paste some evidence of "harassment" from Shaw - I'd like to see it. If of course you cannot come up with anything, I suggest we all put this situation to rest as there is no proof to back it up - just a multitude of biased comments and remarks from all y'all.
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#29 Consumer Suggestion

Sorry, I'm not done yet.

AUTHOR: April - (U.S.A.)

Michael, sorry Im just not done with you yet. If you dont want to sound so guilty of anything, then why start something else you cant finish? You see, you accuse me of stating that you ARE a Shaw, etc and want to discredit me and bring my husband into something, that really does take a lot coming from you. I did see one post in all the posts on this site from you. Your claim was on Wells Fargo Bank, no one has rebuttaled, but since youre here, I find this report hard to imagine, you see power of attorney is also valid after death and even legal aide would have told you to contact Wells Fargos main office because they can not and could not over see state and federal laws with their Policy.

Dont come here and start bad mouthing everyone else because your treated differently because of your lifestyle. At no point have any of us, including myself poked at your private life and made uncalled for comments, which youve displayed to us. Im not that kind of person. But dont make claims and accusations on me that arent true. If you had taken the time to actually read that rebuttal that included your name, it read, Here are some other names I know Ive seen a million times especially on anything with Shawangunk involved and most always taking Shaws side. Did I say YOU were a Shaw? No, I said that your name was one that needed looked at. But instead of saying, Hey, I do agree with Shaw (for whatever reason), but Im not involved with this person, you want to BS people.

Since you want to bring up my reports, Ill have some fun with you. First, my IHOP report, you made the comment, Obviously horrible parents. Why? Because I wrote what I was told by my sons doctor? Real nice reply. My Jerrys report, well, check with Marylands Health Department and see how many times since my report, this Jerrys was fined for Health Code violations. Not to mention other reports of the same thing happening in MD, VA and DC. Oh, dont let me forget your mention of Ford. First, we all know you own a Focus, wow that makes you special. Everything written in my report is 100% true. But, your replies, that you try to discredit us with, say look here, look there, theyre lying. Funny, if anyone checked your links, they would see that the only liar in this case, would be you. Youre probably the only person with a Focus that is happy, well, good for you. Have you seen the amount of reports on Ford and the Focus with the same claims? Apparently not.

You see, youre so full of yourself. Youre the same person that wrote on the Shaw report #62072, If Shaw gets banned, you fascist cows should be next. So, I guess everyone else on this site is a BSer, except you? Lets not forget the fake BabyTan report. You live in Seattle and should have known that this was a fake report. Instead, you took up for this person, what the hell? You make little to no sense in anything you do. So, what is your interest in the Shaw reports? Im just curious being that youve made two rebuttals now to two different reports yet, you havent been attacked by the Spam mail, nor has your reports, rebuttals or updates disappeared. Odd, oh thats right, you take up for the Shaws, dont you?

I think youre simply one of those people that need someone to always vent out on. Youre not happy otherwise. If you dont have anything to do with any of this, then I would suggest you stay out of it, that would have made you look more credible. The Shaws has abused the people on this post. Again, I HAVE help a large amount of people on this site, please name just one youve help.
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As for Suzzie,

I don't get it, what are you possibly reading? The Shaw's have harrassed numerous people on this site. His comments are uncalled for, except in those Anon' reports, these comments are not opinions, but uncalled for remarks. You feel that he is in the right and the posters are wrong, who are you really? Odd that you're hailing out of NB. Look up the word slander, I can assure you that no one here has been slanderous. If you knew what the word meant, you would not have made such a comment. It is ironic tat you would use the same wording as Shaw has. Just a note.
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#30 Consumer Suggestion

What the Hell?

AUTHOR: April - (U.S.A.)

To Michael,

You are so FULL of yourself. I can not find ONE post by you. However, every single post that you have rebuttaled on are the same BS, you take up from the Shaw clan and demote anything else said. (As we all have seen in the rebuttals even above, by you.) What's wrong, does it hit below the belt when someone calls you on the overbarring impulsive bull sh**er you are.

You want to make BS acussations on my posts, wow, that takes a hell of a lot of balls. The only reason you want to BS your way out of this is because you can't take being wrong ALL THE TIME!

My posts are 100%. The posts I have writen are those which HAVE been provin over and over again, not unprovin. You want to discredit my posts, well that's your own problem, not mine. You only discredit them because you rebuttal BS remarks to think your all big and bad, exactly like Shaw and what it's worth, you have made the same comments he has on many occassions. Funny?!? Go ahead, prove me wrong, give a link to a post that you made even a half way decent rebuttal on. Exactly, you can't.

The only people that have made and rebuttaled falsely have been those of you already mentioned. Funny, again, there seems to be a problem with you and the rest taking what you want to give out. I have helped numerous people on this site, who have you helped? Yourself?

You see, I see to it that the REAL victims are helped and unlike you, I don't torment their feeling or anything else, for that matter. I can't help that the only satisfaction you get in life is to continuously put people down and stand up for the big businesses. Get over yourself.
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#31 Consumer Suggestion

Alert from FTC for spam/scam email

AUTHOR: April - (U.S.A.)

I received an email today from both the FTC and my ISP in regards to the many spam mail I had sent them. Both emails were intitled "Alert" and the letters stated that some of the spam mail, not the porno or viagra, etc., but the spam mail on debt consoladation, etc. If you have not received these type, you will, there from the same group of people. Anyway, this one is trying to get personal information, etc. I wrote the link that they both posted on their emails:

It's www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/alerts/optalrt.htm

The link can give you a better description of what is involved in these emails.
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#32 Consumer Suggestion

What is going on here?

AUTHOR: Suzzie - (U.S.A.)

I have been following this report, first out of curiosity about the "blabber mouth" category which I found quite amusing, and then because I was intrigued by the length and amount of time everyone is writing rebuttals on this situation. Also out of curiosity I have read all of the posts mentioned from Shawangunk. I honestly do not see what the select few of you are complaining about (stalking, harassment, threatening, etc...). True some of the reports were a bit tongue-in-cheek and perhaps could have been worded a little nicer, but reading the original reports it appears that in many cases the consumers WERE in the wrong and Shawangunk was simply calling them on it. Nowhere in the reports did I see Shawangunk "threaten" or "harass" or "stalk" anyone. And these comments about email spam and hacking? How could you possibly deduce whatever happened to YOUR computer was caused by one specific individual, when you have no tangible evidence and only your biased views to go on. Perhaps you should give Shawangunk a break. He/she was only stating his/her opinion, which is what I believe this board was designed for in the first place. Just because they hurt your feelings does not make them a stalker/hacker/whatever else you'd like to call them. If you truly believe that this person is everything you are claiming them to be, perhaps you should gather some tangible evidence and proof to back up your claims, so that perhaps others will believe you as well and you will stop coming across as a bitter, slanderous sort.
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#33 Consumer Suggestion

What is going on here?

AUTHOR: Suzzie - (U.S.A.)

I have been following this report, first out of curiosity about the "blabber mouth" category which I found quite amusing, and then because I was intrigued by the length and amount of time everyone is writing rebuttals on this situation. Also out of curiosity I have read all of the posts mentioned from Shawangunk. I honestly do not see what the select few of you are complaining about (stalking, harassment, threatening, etc...). True some of the reports were a bit tongue-in-cheek and perhaps could have been worded a little nicer, but reading the original reports it appears that in many cases the consumers WERE in the wrong and Shawangunk was simply calling them on it. Nowhere in the reports did I see Shawangunk "threaten" or "harass" or "stalk" anyone. And these comments about email spam and hacking? How could you possibly deduce whatever happened to YOUR computer was caused by one specific individual, when you have no tangible evidence and only your biased views to go on. Perhaps you should give Shawangunk a break. He/she was only stating his/her opinion, which is what I believe this board was designed for in the first place. Just because they hurt your feelings does not make them a stalker/hacker/whatever else you'd like to call them. If you truly believe that this person is everything you are claiming them to be, perhaps you should gather some tangible evidence and proof to back up your claims, so that perhaps others will believe you as well and you will stop coming across as a bitter, slanderous sort.
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#34 Consumer Suggestion

What is going on here?

AUTHOR: Suzzie - (U.S.A.)

I have been following this report, first out of curiosity about the "blabber mouth" category which I found quite amusing, and then because I was intrigued by the length and amount of time everyone is writing rebuttals on this situation. Also out of curiosity I have read all of the posts mentioned from Shawangunk. I honestly do not see what the select few of you are complaining about (stalking, harassment, threatening, etc...). True some of the reports were a bit tongue-in-cheek and perhaps could have been worded a little nicer, but reading the original reports it appears that in many cases the consumers WERE in the wrong and Shawangunk was simply calling them on it. Nowhere in the reports did I see Shawangunk "threaten" or "harass" or "stalk" anyone. And these comments about email spam and hacking? How could you possibly deduce whatever happened to YOUR computer was caused by one specific individual, when you have no tangible evidence and only your biased views to go on. Perhaps you should give Shawangunk a break. He/she was only stating his/her opinion, which is what I believe this board was designed for in the first place. Just because they hurt your feelings does not make them a stalker/hacker/whatever else you'd like to call them. If you truly believe that this person is everything you are claiming them to be, perhaps you should gather some tangible evidence and proof to back up your claims, so that perhaps others will believe you as well and you will stop coming across as a bitter, slanderous sort.
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#35 Consumer Suggestion

What is going on here?

AUTHOR: Suzzie - (U.S.A.)

I have been following this report, first out of curiosity about the "blabber mouth" category which I found quite amusing, and then because I was intrigued by the length and amount of time everyone is writing rebuttals on this situation. Also out of curiosity I have read all of the posts mentioned from Shawangunk. I honestly do not see what the select few of you are complaining about (stalking, harassment, threatening, etc...). True some of the reports were a bit tongue-in-cheek and perhaps could have been worded a little nicer, but reading the original reports it appears that in many cases the consumers WERE in the wrong and Shawangunk was simply calling them on it. Nowhere in the reports did I see Shawangunk "threaten" or "harass" or "stalk" anyone. And these comments about email spam and hacking? How could you possibly deduce whatever happened to YOUR computer was caused by one specific individual, when you have no tangible evidence and only your biased views to go on. Perhaps you should give Shawangunk a break. He/she was only stating his/her opinion, which is what I believe this board was designed for in the first place. Just because they hurt your feelings does not make them a stalker/hacker/whatever else you'd like to call them. If you truly believe that this person is everything you are claiming them to be, perhaps you should gather some tangible evidence and proof to back up your claims, so that perhaps others will believe you as well and you will stop coming across as a bitter, slanderous sort.
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#36 Consumer Comment

April, you've got stones the size of grapefruit to accuse someone ELSE of posting bogus reports!

AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)

First of all, though I am on the record as having a few positive remarks for Shaw, I can not and will not condone cyber-terrorism. Robin and Jacqueline, you are doing yeoman's work and I hope that your hard work is rewarded.

I must caution you though that you have taken the viper to your breast if you take anything April writes at face value. He/she is the queen of the phony post! How convenient that, compiling her roster of "bogus" posts, he/she leaves off the calumnious fiction of HER Jerry's Subs and IHOP posts, slanderous nonsense that has been disproven many times over. For those interested, check out http://ripoffreport.com/view.asp?id=25013 (IHOP) and http://ripoffreport.com/view.asp?id=26822 (Jerry's Subs) for examples of April's "reporting". It is, to coin a term, Shawagunkesque.

I take exception to your shoddy research, April/Dale. I have posted my own VALID RipOff Reports on this site, and have submitted rebuttals in favor of the consumer. The common thread among most of those you FALSELY accuse of posting fake reports are people who RIGHTLY took exception to your b.s. IHOP and Ford reports.

As long as I have your attention, we're still waiting for your "road hazard warranty."
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#37 Consumer Suggestion

New update

AUTHOR: April - (U.S.A.)

A lot of updating for everyone. First, if you had an odd rebuttal to one of your posts over the last month or so maybe even the last few weeks, its our Hacker friend. For three weeks straight, I have had one of my posts hit once a week, all different posts. I have tried to update and ED never gets them. These have the same MOs, a report that has been settled or dead for months, then all of a sudden, a nasty rebuttal. So to Mr. Hacker: I cant tell you off and make you look as stupid as you sound if I cant update my report. Whats wrong, you dont like a fair fight? I didnt think so.

As for little Ms. Anonymous, well, we know some of here names but she also goes by Jennifer of Miami, Florida, sound familiar? It should, she seems to pop up everywhere that Shaw does and starts up with him. Shes funny if you think about it. She has nothing better to do than want to fight with everyone, especially Shaw. If she doesnt get a response from him, she writes again. Shes just really sad and lonely I guess.

This will get you jumping, I was reading some of the old reports posted by Ms. Anonymous after I realized she was the same person as above and something jumped out. I had read a report a few days ago and remember seeing a response by either Pegleg or Shawonga and it, it starts saying, . I have read all these emails on this post and It stuck with me because it wrote Emails. I didnt think too much of it until I was re-reading the Joanne at Mr. Bs Salon report (#52213) were a Mu-poo from Shanghai, NW Territories says, yet reading your email it appears. It was already obvious this was a Shaw rebuttal, but he left a slip up. Only I cant remember the other post I read the first one on. I guess all our speculating on how they are getting our information was right on. We all know our rebuttals and updates go straight to the Editors inbox. So now we know exactly how our rebuttals and updates are disappearing. I dont know if this was a stupid mistake or one of those clues Robin has been spotting. Weird, huh?

I also have another list for you:
These are all rebuttaled by Shawangunk of Socksville, NB.
Office Max #43262 (6/26/03)
Budget Inn #63540 (7/14/03)
University of Phoenix #58823 (5/29/03)
Fairbanks Capital #61904 (6/26/03)
Dr. Kenneth W. DSS #59788 (6/6/03)

Thats all I have today.
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#38 Consumer Comment

Could we hear a word from the EDitor?

AUTHOR: Jacqueline - (U.S.A.)

This is not to imply the EDitor should have commented sooner; simply out of concern, this is merely a request to make a comment. I am in no way trying to be argumentive, and see myself on the same side of the fence with the Staff and Editor. Obviously this letter is only from me, Jacqueline, because it would not be right to assume, speaking for others. Although we agree on many issues, with sincere regard, I respect the other Consumer Advocates as equals, fully capable of speaking independently.

I was hoping I could help you, in a plan of action, to stop hecklers/hackers/spammers, because their never ending, express disapproval, shuts down the process of "consumers helping consumers, for consumers, by consumers".

There is nothing wrong with the policy, as it stands perfectly sensible, equitable and efficient, however the enforcement of policy is still a question, which would need answering in some way.

There might be a need in the future to define; specifically, what "nonsense will be ignored", as is stated in the standard Rebuttal form. A definition of opinion, as being separate from fact, and inevitably definitions of antagonistic assaults and verbal abuse may be in order. Everybody realizes, that opinions going on and on and on about how inadequate someone is, and how they are skanks, yentas or unworthy over and over one Report after another does not define "open discussion".

For the trolls/cyber stalkers/spammers/hackers it is easy and entertaining to access one Report after another leaving victims in blazing anger, public humiliation, and confusion. There is no special research required to intentionaly hurt someone in a mean spirited manner, with no constructive criticism, just morbid uncalled for personal attacks on character, ethnic origin, gender, and sometimes age. They can run through one Report after another, using up the Staffs time needed to post the real Rebuttals. In the long run, the consumers who need the real help are unable to receive it, and the consumers who intend on giving that help get caught in the crossfire or lost in the shuffle. We do not always have to agree on everything, but when we disaggree, this not an excuse to carry on filling the web site with one diversion after another. Who made these hecklers/hackers the judge and jury of the world? Who made them the boss of the world? Is telling someone they are not good enough or uneducated a Consumer Suggestion or Editorial Comment?

I have reveiwed some of the Rebuttals, which other more experienced Volunteers have endured, in the face of this nonsensical hysteria. They are brave, determined and unshaken, as they stand on solid ground. I admire them. Even considering their fortitude and capabilities, there is only so much time to give, and to waste.

There is a concern about bogus Reports. We have found a mass of these suspect Reports. We have also located suspect Rebuttals. They are not just bogus, they consist of the very nonsense policy states will be ignored. Nonsense being ignored would mean, it would not be posted at all was my interpretation. I've been wrong before. It can be discouraging to submit fully accurate, important information to consumers, only to see it disappear; while the hysterical BOLD CAP bantering gets posted over and over, all the time, with ease. You can go back months later and still find the same nonsense; yet important crucial information dissappears.

Just with the Primerica Reports alone this site is back logged, with plenty of work. Then add people playing around, stalking, providing a unique form of spamming, it adds more of a burden. It appears to weigh the whole process and networking of the site down. I'm curious what percentage of bogus, fictional Reports and Reputtals rob space from Rip-offReport.com What percentage is Fiction and Nonfiction? I realize at least with the phoney Reports, it has not been fully verified and confirmed. This is just something to think about.

Thank you for allowing me this opportunity to be a part of something new and progressive. I realize I have to accept your terms, and will. What you have accomplished here is rare and desperately needed in this world today.

I am not trying to question anyones authority, and am just giving food for thought for all of us to share and reflect.

For those of us whom have had consistent problems, the common link that we share is in our willingness to help, to make a difference in someones life, and the link is mostly defined in our being regulars, at the site. This is why I believe whoever this enemy is, feels threatened by a group of people, returning on a regular basis to provide assitance cost free. I've seen many other sites, where there is a charge for the information given here. It's a hefty price. Maybe we're pricing them out of the market, by offering information for free. This is all just something to think about.

I plan to stay, and support the EDitor and Staff no matter what decision is made.

I hope you can offer some insight.

Again, thank you.

Best regards,
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#39 Consumer Comment

Shhh! Quiet!! Do you think he knows??

AUTHOR: Robin - (U.S.A.)

Do you think Shaw knows that we are on to him yet? He has been vewwy, vewwy quiet lately.

Again, sorry about the weird link above. I do not think that the environmentalists are hackers, or even connected. Only odd thing was the namesI still think its something to do with Fairbanks, and Im still going to bash them whenever I feel it is needed. They stink!

To John in Waconia: I have Spybot and Pest Patrol...nothing stops the spam when "they" are determined to send it. Except bouncing it. I guess "they" have given up again. After returning so many disgusting emails, the mad flow has once again trickled to a drip, dribble, drabble of Viagra and Enlarging my Equipment crap. The usual.

(Never have figured that out; if it doesn't work in the first place, why would anyone want to enlarge it? Who needs an even larger non-functioning appendage? Shouldnt these junky emails be paired up differently?)

Anyway, I think we may have messed around and scared off our favorite site slime. I have had so much fun with this, that I may actually begin to miss him! NOT!! I'm sure he'll be back under some other ridiculous name at some point. Even Jasper from ??? has disappeared.

I have posted just about everything I know, everything I think I know or even suspect concerning all this. I have emptied my repository of Shaw lore, fried a couple of brain cells working on this and am still none the wiser. John is right; the ED is the only one who can tell us for sure.

Again, if the ED finds out something concerning this, I hope he'll post SOMETHING. Since he is like "The Quiet Man", I would settle for a cryptic little note: "We've got him" or something. The ED is either learning something from all this or laughing his head off. I would give a buffalo nickel to know which it is!

You guys are great; no one called me mental, or anything. And you are wonderful detectives, to boot. I think you had noticed odd things, too; its just that the first one who mentions anything publicly runs a huge risk of being called crazier than a nuclear dumpsite rat!

I really was to the point that I did not care; I had to know if it was only me getting this awful email and worms, viruses or whatever it was. And there are evidently just a few of us that DID get it. I do not feel honored by the gesture at all.
I wish I had done my whistleblowing sooner...could have saved some folks from some nasty rebuttals that they did not deserve!

I think we have worked too long here on this (or at least I have; remember, I started without you). Some of the listed names I know are real people (Brianna in Tucson is real; I have had dialogue with her in the past). I need a break from this for awhile. I will continue to watch daily for this post. I would hate to miss a newsflash on this issue!

Now Shaw knows that there are many observant people watching, so even if he slinks back under some weird name, perhaps he will be able to hold his hostility down to some tolerable level. What a sad life this person must lead to be so bitter.

We are aware now that dirty tricks can and will be tried and he is aware that we have weathered them all. Hopefully, everyone has taken adequate precautions by this time. I have not noticed any site outages lately, either, thank the powers that be!

WE are still here; Shawangunk seems to have left the building. (Unless he is Arnold Schwarzenegger, in which case he may be muttering "I'll be back"! Naw....couldn't be, could it....?)
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#40 Consumer Comment

To TOM:

AUTHOR: Michele - (U.S.A.)

TOM: I do not think that SHAW = RACH, I am referring to the BOGUS REPORTS could be being used as a possible diversion or just a pure annoyance to us all. I think the posts and links above that I mentioned are all from the same person (again: Rach, Annoynmous, AnnoyedFemale, Melissa, etc). I do not know if this person is hacking, causing a problem, or just being an A$$ and posting stupid reports. I just noticed that this person started, it seems, in April. It was said that all the site and email problems started in that month. Plus - Rach and Shaw usually battle in those posts, at least in the earlier ones. Shaw has been MIA lately so I don't see a response to the more recent "Rach/Annom" posts.

I just wanted to point out to you, Tom, that I do not think they are the same person. I just think that RACH and her Alias's are posting bogus reports too, under different names; then writing their own rebuttals to support themselves. I dont know if this ignorant racist person Rach is a hacker, or even able to. I just was sharing what I observed from this person since they were brought up and the months matched the months being discussed. Plus, I think she is a very mean person to anyone that responds to her. The language and insults she throws out are 99.9% uncalled for. April knows that her and I have attempted to converse with her about her posts and she just snaps. Jacqueline mentioned people being harassed or slandered on here and referring to Shaw as a prime example. I do agree that Shaw needs to be stopped, but the Rach person is a nasty one too and thought she should be observed for her outrageous responses and obvious bogus reports.

Again, my opinion, and I am not trying to start anything; just adding my view to the whole conversation. :o)

PS - Bolton is beautiful! :o)
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#41 Consumer Comment

The town of Shawangunk is REAL!

AUTHOR: Robin - (U.S.A.)

April,

There really is a town called Shawangunk. The criteria for being on the map is having a Post Office within the city limits. Evidently, Shawangunk is a really small place, because they hold their town meetings in Walkill, and evidently get their mail there, too. Shawangunk is right next door to Walkill, NY. Shawangunk Prison is technically in Walkill as well.
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The connection link came from my computer (Stanley, Borger, TX). I had just found this Shawanga/Shawangunk connection and left a "hotlink" on my desktop. Some visiting teens decided that they would "help me out" by sending it in w/o any explanation attached while I was gone.

I had been telling them about this saga; guess they figured everyone needed to know right away. (Never tell teenagers anything; they will kick it in and attempt to help when you really do not want them to! If that would only work when it is time to do the dishes!)

They just used their name and town instead of mine...nothing sinister, just unfinished research that was submitted prematurely. It just threw a new name into this that confused everyone. I did not even look at the senders' name closely; just dawned on me what happened. They 'fessed up...

But, one has to wonder. Shawangunk is so small that it does not appear on most maps (you can find it, but it takes some looking). Shawanga Lodge/Gambling casino seems to be a dead issue.

The average person would never even find these places, yet we have TWO "name" connections. (I do not think that the Shawangunk Ridge Environmental folks have anything to do with any of this, by the way. Unless the ED is trying to build an Indian gambling casino atop Shawangunk Ridge. That seems to be what everyone is trying to avoid in that area.)

I just wondered if our "irritating guest" has a connection to this area. Just seems a little too odd. Perhaps this angry person hails from this area, thus using those two "familiar yet odd" names in early posts. Perhaps this site POd some developers or something. I don't know; that is why we just throw it all in the pot and see what it is after it is cooked!

As for "restaurants and hairdressers" don't forget "Mr. John's Beauty Salon" 04/16/2003 #53121. Cozylee was all over that one, too.

Maybe some bitter person happened to be in Shawangunk, NY. While they were there they had a really bad meal and a horrendous, traumatic haircut....Still doesn't explain the connection to this site. Maybe the ED was both the cook and the barber, creating a deep-seated psychological disorder....
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#42 Consumer Comment

Stop the madness! Shawangunk is nothing but a troll!

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

I am offering this response to some of the wild conjectures and conspiracy theories going on about "Shawangunk" and his/her various aliases.

"Shaw" is just a troll (i.e. someone who posts inflammatory remarks on websites simply to elict a response). People who play into this are only adding fuel to the fire. "Shaw"'s comments are no longer being posted, but rest assured, "Shaw" checks out this site every day to see how much he/she has disrupted the site. The EDitor and his staff are pretty much the only people who can determine if "Shaw" posts under aliases, because if he/she is using the same machine, he/she can be tracked by the machine's IP address. This is as simple as plugging the message headers into a program furnished by such sites as "Samspade.org".

Lest I be accused of being a minion of "Shaw", I have posted legitimately on this site, and this can also be verified by my IP address.

Onto the spam issue. If you don't have a personal firewall, you need one. I run a free download of Lavasoft's AdAware. This program detects spyware, such as spybots and tracker cookies. In conjunction with the spam-blocker furnished by my ISP, I am almost %100 free of spam. Note this well, though -- if you have responded to the spammers, either by directing them not to send their garbage to you, or "opted out" from their sendings, this only indicates to them that they have a live e-mail address. Your best option then would be to have your e-mail address changed through your ISP.

Finally, download a program like "Cleanup" from ZoneLab (also free), just to ensure that when you log off, nothing remains in your system from an internet session. As a plus, it also frees up space on your hard drive.

P.S. Personally, I feel that "Shaw" hails from Tupper Lake :-).
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#43 Consumer Suggestion

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AUTHOR: April - (U.S.A.)

Jacqueline,

Something isn't right about the whole Coalition thing. We definatly need to talk. If you read my above rebuttal's you'll see why the situation is a little odder. The address, it doesn't exist, that city doesn't exist. I'm trying to give Amy the benefit of doubt that she may be blind to what has been happening and I do know that there is such a place as Shawangunk Ridge, but something is off. Please email me from the above. I don't want to get into too much detail on this one.
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AUTHOR: April - (U.S.A.)

Jacqueline,

Something isn't right about the whole Coalition thing. We definatly need to talk. If you read my above rebuttal's you'll see why the situation is a little odder. The address, it doesn't exist, that city doesn't exist. I'm trying to give Amy the benefit of doubt that she may be blind to what has been happening and I do know that there is such a place as Shawangunk Ridge, but something is off. Please email me from the above. I don't want to get into too much detail on this one.
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AUTHOR: April - (U.S.A.)

Jacqueline,

Something isn't right about the whole Coalition thing. We definatly need to talk. If you read my above rebuttal's you'll see why the situation is a little odder. The address, it doesn't exist, that city doesn't exist. I'm trying to give Amy the benefit of doubt that she may be blind to what has been happening and I do know that there is such a place as Shawangunk Ridge, but something is off. Please email me from the above. I don't want to get into too much detail on this one.
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AUTHOR: April - (U.S.A.)

Jacqueline,

Something isn't right about the whole Coalition thing. We definatly need to talk. If you read my above rebuttal's you'll see why the situation is a little odder. The address, it doesn't exist, that city doesn't exist. I'm trying to give Amy the benefit of doubt that she may be blind to what has been happening and I do know that there is such a place as Shawangunk Ridge, but something is off. Please email me from the above. I don't want to get into too much detail on this one.
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#47 Consumer Suggestion

Here's another list

AUTHOR: April - (U.S.A.)

Update to above. I resubmitted the email to the coalition, this time I did receive a response from the email. The woman that responded will be out of town for a few weeks, so I will look into this person and site in a few weeks. Also, keep an eye out for the Shaw rebuttals to see if they seem to disappear for the same length of time. Just wondering if she has anything to do with this or if shes blinded to the use of the name.

Im not sure how had asked, but someone asked for more lists of the Shaw or alias reports in addition to Toms list. Heres what I have.

First, I believe that the person making these Fake posts on Chick-Fil-A and Wendys, etc. is involved in this because of the BS postings. If shes not, she needs some serious help. And also, because S from whatever took my second rebuttal and signed their name to it. Too odd!

OK here goes (Ive listed anything that MIGHT be related, youll have to read them to see why I think they might):
1) Alyon Technologies #47937 5/23/03, Giselle of NY, NY (Adult website)
2) Disney World #95669 6/11/02, 7/2/02 & 7/16/02, Crybabies of buildityourself, CA. (This is bad if they started snooping more than a year ago) (Vacation spot)
3) Disney World #95669 1/31/03 & 2/5/03 Anon of Miami, FL (Vacation spot)
4) ATI #61400 6/24/03, Employee of Phoenix, AZ (Electronics)
5) Radio Shack #63339 7/12/03, Employee of Phoenix, AZ (Electronics)
6) The Good Guys #60011 6/9/03, Shawangunk of Socksville, NB (Electronics)
7) Circuit City #299 4/15/03, Shawonga of Orlando, FL (Claims to heave worked there for 5 Years) (Electronics)
8) Circuit City #299 7/10/03 & 7/18/03, Pegleg of Toolaville, Idaho (Claims to be former employee with a positive rebuttal on company) (Electronics)
9) Circuit City #63557 7/14/03, Shawangunk of Socksville, NB (Electronics)
10) Mango Fadango #52387 6/23/03 & 6/26/03, Shawangunk of Socksville, NB (Caterer)
11) Mango Fadango #52387 6/2403, Gretchelle of Toolaville, Idaho (Caterer)
12) JoAnne @ Mr.Bs Salon #52459, Shawangunk of Socksville, NB (Barber)
13) KFC #59796 6/6/03, Shawangunk of Socksville, NB (fast food)
14) Dylans Restaurant #59326 6/10/03, 6/12/03 & 6/16/03, Shawangunk of Socksville, NB (restaurant)
15) Outback Steakhouse #57587 5/20/03, 6/7/03 & 6/10/03, Shawangunk of Socksville, NB (restaurant)
16) 21st Bar and Grill #59659 6/5/03, Shawangunk of Socksville, NB (restaurant)
17) Applebees #5093 4/15/03, Shawonga of New York, NY (restaurant)
18) Wendys #61681 7/7/03, Shawangunk of Socksville, NB (fast food)
19) Hair Plus #32388 5/6/03, Shawonga or South Kentucky (Salon)
20) Days Inn #63660 7/15/03, Shawangunk of Socksville, NB (hotel)
21) Best Western #63522 7/14/03, Shawangunk of Socksville, NB (hotel)
22) Target #59977 6/9/03, Shawangunk of Socksville, NB (dept. store)
23) Walmart #62784 7/5/03 & 7/7/03, Shawangunk of Socksville, NB (dept. store)
24) Walmart #62863 7/7/03, Shawangunk of Socksville, NB (dept store)
25) Hechts #24016 6/30/03 7/3/03, Shawangunk of Socksville, NB (dept. store)
26) Circuit City #61369 6/23/03, Shawangunk of Socksville, NB (Electronics)
27) Circuit City #61369 7/3/03, Pegleg of Socksville, NB (Electronics)
28) Service Merchandise 6/25/03, Shawangunk of Socksville, NB (This one is different, he seems to take up for the victim) (Electronics)
29) BabyTan #55971 5/7/03, Cozylee of Socksville, NB (baby tanning???)

Here are some other names I know weve all seen a million times, especially on anything with Shaw involved and most always taking Shaws side. Michael & Andrew of Seattle Washington. B, Brea, Bea & Brianna of Tucson Arizona and Brian or Toledo, Ohio. These names are coming up opposing the victims on each level.

Some of the reports from these areas that look a little to phony are as follows:

1) EZ2Rent.com #62797. This report was filed on 7/5/03 by a Daniel in Miami Florida. On 7/8/03, (stating original author) an update from Antony (not misspelled) claiming the EEOC Case has been filed. This was submitted on the 8th at 2:00.24.
2) EZ2Rent.com #63053. This report was filed on 7/8/03 by Maria in Miami, Florida at 2:06.51. Youre starting to see it right? The times are very close on the 8th. The original report updates name was different, there was NO EEOC case filed and if you read the update and the post, theyre too much alike.
3) Sunset Bay #49825 (Landlords). This report was filed on 3/19/03 by STK in Miami, Florida. She claims a lot, but if you read it, none of it makes any sense.
4) Lakeside Sports Club #63441. This report was filed by a Richard in Tucson, Arizona for his wife and himself who are disabled senior veterans. This was filed on 7/11/03. It just sounds off base. I looked the BBB report up (dont ask). Anyway, according to their files, they have one employee. It makes sense at first then becomes confusing as you read on.
5) A Walmart report was posted on 7/8/03 by a B. Gemini in Tucson, Arizona. She is complaining that Walmart has associated itself with Christianity. This one is really weird. (Forgot the report #, sorry)
6) Wright K. Hand/Arizona Clergy #61837. This was posted by Juttu on 6/25/03. Its so off base of any clergy, its impossible to believe it.
7) BabyTan #55971. This one you all will love. (Cant remember who posted it). Anyway, there is NO such place. And in the rebuttals, youll find the whole speculated gang of names, and then some. This report is nothing but fake, fake name fake address, fake everything.

I do agree with Robin, I think this group of hackers are more than one person, but many. I think, by the rebuttals and posts, were looking at people in Washington State, Arizona, Florida and New York, just to start. Check the link to my PDS report above to get my email address. Its posted on one of the updates near the bottom. Talk to you guys soon.
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PLEASE do not access: http://www.shawangunkridge.org! They're NOT hackers!

AUTHOR: Jacqueline - (U.S.A.)

Shawangunkridge.org IS NOT in any way connected to "Shawangunk" the hacker. They are trying to alert everyone to environmental corruption, in are from New York.

I have spoken DIRECTLY to the Coalition's coordinater, Amy L., she will be contacting the Website Mistress. I invited them to visit the site. :)

This is a nonprofit environmental group trying to save the Shawangunk mountains, with surrounding area. They have have an excellent web site for those who care about the environment, maybe some can make a donation to their organization.

They are in no way associated with any HACKING and may have similar problems as nonprofit Environmentalists.

Shawangunk.com is not connected either. I am still trying to contact their Tech Rep. They are not hackers. I've already emailed the Rip-off Report Staff, a while back about this one.

I know the regular Volunteers are sensible, this is addressed to the person, who submitted this Rebuttal, Stanley?, Borger? Texas?; and those who are not as well informed on the whole situation.
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#49 Consumer Comment

Perhaps we should lay old Shaw to rest for awhile. We can always dig him up later if necessary!

AUTHOR: Robin - (U.S.A.)

Wow! I have been out of touch for a few days. I don't know where to start on this. Neat link between Shawanga and Shawangunk. I always thought that the name evolved naturally

Wally,

I am not a "furious wreck"; just furious, period! Something stinks here. Shaw is not insignificant if he is hacking and spamming with "bomb" email designed to ruin computers.

Hopefully, none of us have lost too many I.Q. points in this pursuit; I had very few to spare to start with! I consider it an exercise in reasoning and logic. I am glad that many folks are watching everything.

I would love to visit Australia someday; it sounds like a great place. And I am just about finished beating this nearly dead horse, anyway. Bear with us just a bit longer.

Thanks for your input.
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April,

Hate to hear that they "got you" with the faked MS email. I guess I should have posted that sooner, but these things become so long very quickly. I do not want folks "comatose" before they get it read.

The only thing that seems to connect us is that we are here on this site. I cannot find any real common thread in what we are posting or responding to. Sounds like you are connected in some important ways with folks that might be willing/able to help, so keep us updated on how that goes.

I am not getting any response from the ISP concerning the headers that I have sent off, so I assume that the spammer is using one of those all-too-readily-available Spam Mailing programs. They are specifically designed to cover the tracks of senders and are nearly impossible to trace. The heavy-encryption techniques bother me; this person is determined to do damage.

I have not gotten any bad emails with the personal information you mention, phone numbers and addresses. Since there is no place on this site for complete addresses, some of that may be coming from elsewhere. Nor have I have any rebuttals hijacked. You seem to be getting the full treatment for some reason.
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Jacqueline,

There are other Fairbanks posts that mention that this is the second sending and that the Fairbanks hackers are not going to stop them from telling their story. Fairbanks reports seem to be poofing into thin air these days. HmmIf you have the file, I would try resending it. Maybe youll sneak it by them this time.

Also, have not received emails mentioning Fairbanks in the headers. I just got, and still am getting, some really sick junk. Perverted stuff. Again, YUUCCCK! I am still bashing Fairbanks; they make me ill. If they are doing this, it will be just another nail in their coffin!

As for faked reports, maybe. That is really sick, Shaw. You may be biting off more than you want to chew doing that! Stick with rebuttals!
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If everyone follows the map, youll get a pretty good overview of some of the AKAs I think are involved.

This all seems to be a by-product of an attack on this site and/or the ED of this site. I think we are getting nuisance stuff simply because we are here. I am sick of it and some people always trying to undermine something that is worth having.

Shaw is undoubtedly still with us. While I was trying to catch up, I saw a post signed SallyCorn or some such nonsense.give us a break, Shaw! No self-respecting parent would name a child SallyCorn anymore than they would name a kid Shawangunk Cozylee.

You think real parents want to name kids stuff that guarantees black eyes and broken bones down the road? (I am not counting film stars and rock n rollers as they exist on a whole nother plane and can afford all the plastic surgery necessary to keep their children patched up!)

Just for grins, I ran a search under Cozylee. Shaws middle name was indeed living in other states and other countries, even, while Shaw was posting from Nebraska. And there was a SOCKSVILLE, Kentucky for one post, but I guess Shaw didnt like it there. He moved to Nebraska right away. Maybe he is feeling better since he did seem to get his first and middle names together at last!

We really are going in circles now, as Wally said. It will do no real good to keep trying to trace email headers if they are that heavily disguised/encrypted. (I have saved mine though, just in case the code gets cracked.) It would do no real good for us to correspond with each other, because I have put about all I noticed out here already. If I notice any other oddities I will post them here. And you do the same, because one never knows exactly which key unlocks the mystery door. Ill move on and watch and wait to see what happens next, I suppose.

I have girded my loins, so to speak. I will keep posting, bouncing crappy email, bashing companies worthy of being bashed, and thumbing my nose at whoever this is. Maybe our commentary has been useful to the ED who knows more than we do (and who may be chuckling at our groping in the dark or who may have actually gleaned some useful information from our ramblings). Many minds can sometimes do what one cannot with variations on perspective and point of view. I hope if this ever gets cleared up, the ED will make a comment somewhere that our irritating guest is incarcerated. Under the jail!

If the ED ever decides to start some kind of a We Support this Site list or something for the home page, I hope hell send me an invitation to join (for a nominal fee, of course; we folks in the South do not reel in the big bucks!) That way, Shaw would have to look at my name there EVERY SINGLE TIME he logs in! At least I would feel more like I was doing something useful AND irritating to old Shaw!
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#50 Consumer Suggestion

More info

AUTHOR: April - (U.S.A.)

To Jaqueline,

Here is a link that has my email for the scam company Ive been working on. Email me here and then Ill give you my personal email address to talk to you more about the ongoing situations.

www.ripoffreport.com/view .asp?id=20433

This situation is becoming more and more odd. Ive informed ED as to some of the things that Ive had a problem with and some of the things that Ive noticed.


To everyone else,

If you hadnt read the rip off report on Papa Joes in Orlando, please do. Dont respond though. The Anonymous strikes again. I do think that this person is somehow involved. These reports are looking more and more fake. I traced the start of her reports to a Wendys in April where she uses other aliases. Being that her BS started in April and then things started getting odd, leaves me to believe she also has something in this.

If you notice to most of the Shaw or related rebuttals, you notice that on most occasions, the issue of these reports was ignored or forgotten by the viewers until the Shaws brought it back into discussion. Why? I dont know.

As with Robin, there have been numerous times were the technical difficulty has been strange. Examples, one a few occasions, I have tried to get into one of my posts and my computer locks up. Others, and most recent, I had a Ford post to which was stopped by myself about 6 or 8 months ago. Since then I have posted a Part 2 on the issue about 6 months ago. All of a sudden, on 7/31/03, I get a new rebuttal to the original from a Carl. I have tried to update this report everyday now since and at no point has it shown up. I contacted ED in regards; he doesnt have ANY of the times Ive tried to update. My update has just disappeared and not just once, but 5 times. Ive had similar problems with others posts where someone rebuttaled months after my post and then my updates disappear.

Ive looked through as many posts as my eyes can take and I can not seem to find a connection between any of us that have been attacked. Yet, most of us have filed our own reports and helped others one more daily basis. Maybe thats the connection. Its hard to say what to even think at this point. Have you also noticed the rebuttals with a name and then the same city and state?

As for the last rebuttal, here, with the Shawangunk/Shawnago connection. Its a FAKE site. There is such a place called Shawangunk Ridge, but this web site is NOT part of it. I think the person above with this info knows a little more than we do. Anyway, if you havent been to this site, dont go it may be traced as a ploy. The information on the site is Owner: Amy Little. Email: amylittle@shawangunkridge.org. Address: 142 Gulf Ford Schoolhouse Road New Paltz, NY 12561 Phone #: 845-255-3786

OK. There is NO Shawangunk Ridge Organization. The City doesnt exist. The phone number doesnt exist, no known user for business, organizations or personal. Now the email, I set up a fake email account and sent an email asking for more info, it was returned as unknown email account. See the problem with all this. Just like the emails weve been getting.

Ill get back to you all later.
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#51 Consumer Comment

TWO MORE

AUTHOR: Michele - (U.S.A.)

More from my friend!! I missed some!

The list goes on

Dr. Clive E. Roberson : 05/30/03
http://www.ripoffreport.com/view.asp?id=58998
(Melissa, PSL FL)

Trish Jones :: 04/08/03 Not sure about this one but a few lines match her style
(ie This girl/monster/freak is a roommate from hell-- so anyone who has to room w/ this pathetic evil arrogant freak just watch out.)
http://www.ripoffreport.com/view.asp?id=52063
(Rachel, Orlando FL)

Just thought I would add those 2 to my Rach, Anonymous,.annoyedfemale, Melissa, etc etc etc list!!!
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#52 Consumer Comment

Shaw = Rach? Naaahhh!

AUTHOR: Tom - (U.S.A.)

Shaw doesn't post unless he has a rebuttal. He's far too perfect to allow himself to be a victom. (He always read his sevice contracts and behaves himself in eating establishments) No, Rach is a different person, and I have no comment on her posts. I have no problem with her. The reason I didn't include more names is because this shouldn't become a witch hunt. I stuck to the most obvious because it's so easy to see that he was using bogus names and towns, and denied it. However, there were many I left out, some of which you guys mentioned. Others are suspect, but you'll notice he didn't attacked me, because he had no defense, besides one word I spelled wrong and was called a fathead by an alias. (Awesome = Full of Awe, Tom??) - Great, I just jinxed myself.

Is he still here? Yes, he is. I've been watching the rebuttals. He can't help himself. Some of you guys have engaged him already, perhaps unknowingly. I will comment on this in the future. He will be exposed again. And again, he will have lost his credibiliy.

Just like last time, it didn't take long. He has already tipped his hand. That's why I don't think he's bright enough to be part of the email/spam issue. This is his playground. To him this is recess.

JAQUELINE: The NAME, TOWN/STATE, TOPIC I gave - well - the dates are the same days he posted HIS stuff. For example, you would have to do a search on Ramada Inn and scroll through the post(s)/rebuttals to find his comments. But I assure you the list I gave is accurate.

MICHELE: Vernon is nice, but living in Bolton was great. (9 years) True country living. Nice 'N Quiet.
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#53 Consumer Comment

Dinner and a Hair Cut

AUTHOR: Michele - (U.S.A.)

http://www.ripoffreport.com/view.asp?id=61681

Here is another, most likely, fake report for my friend, Annonymous, annoyedfemal, Rach, female, Melissa, Melanie, Suz all from the sunshine state Florida all complaining and using rude, uncalled for, repetitive insults. Mr Bs Salon (2 reports, same post), Wendys, Chick-fil-a, Papa Joes Pizza, and I am guessing there are more. This person, as April has noticed too, is going around, either trying to stir up problems (she is the one that started with me the Blabber Mouth Michele and Shaw thread) or truly could be posting reports to generate responses to collect email addresses. But, what I noticed is that they all started in the month of April the month you all seem to be questioning.

Wendys : 04/05/03 ODDLY REFERS TO THE NEXT POST FOR WENDYS AND CRISPERS IN THIS ONE AND IT HADNT EVEN BEEN POSTED YET!
http://www.ripoffreport.com/view.asp?id=51700
(Melanie Orlando FL)

Wendys and Crispers : 04/06/03
http://www.ripoffreport.com/view.asp?id=51839
(Suz Orlando FL)

Subway : 04/06/03
http://www.ripoffreport.com/view.asp?id=51772
(Angela Orlando FL)

Joanne at Mr Bs Salon : 04/09/03
http://www.ripoffreport.com/view.asp?id=52213
(anonymous female Orlando FL)

Wendys : 07/03/03
http://www.ripoffreport.com/view.asp?id=62726
(Melissa Okeechobee FL)

Wendys :: Rebuttal: 07/03/03
http://www.ripoffreport.com/view.asp?id=61681
(Melissa None FL & Okeechobee FL) - numerous rebuttals
& (Backup alias Female Oranldo FL)

Wendys : 07/03/03
http://www.ripoffreport.com/view.asp?id=62726
(Melissa Okeechobee FL)

ME (Michele) and Shawangunk : 07/21/03
http://www.ripoffreport.com/view.asp?id=64252
(Rach Orlando FL)

Chick-fil-a : 07/24/03
http://www.ripoffreport.com/view.asp?id=64560
(annoyedfemale Orlando FL)

Papa Joes Pizza : 08/02/03
http://www.ripoffreport.com/view.asp?id=65181
(anonymous Orlando FL)

I could have missed some or many but can we see a pattern from this person??

I was keeping quiet about all of this, but, I thought it was pretty weird about the Barn Yard email thing (Robins Previous post) .. because I got the same one last night. Well, maybe not the same one, but I never thought of doing that with a horse and didnt assume there were many that did to have numerous emails in reference to such a talent.

Bottom line, since you guys that are obviously more internet savvy than I, if you can get to the bottom of this, then I salute and support you all the way. I just wanted to add my 2 cents about my biggest fan Rach, anonymous, annoyedfemale, female, Melissa ,etc etc because I think she is up to something either that or the poor girl really cant get dinner and a haircut.
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#54 Consumer Comment

Connection between "Shawanga" and "Shawangunk".

AUTHOR: Stanley - (U.S.A.)

This link will take you to an interesting connection between Shawanga and Shawangunk.

http://www.shawangunkridge.org/shawalert.htm
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#55 Consumer Comment

Connection between "Shawanga" and "Shawangunk".

AUTHOR: Stanley - (U.S.A.)

This link will take you to an interesting connection between Shawanga and Shawangunk.

http://www.shawangunkridge.org/shawalert.htm
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#56 Consumer Suggestion

Has anyone noticed bogus Reports?

AUTHOR: Jacqueline - (U.S.A.)

This question might be viewed the second time for some. Could the same alleged hacker team be submitting bogus Reports, in addition to Rebuttals? It could work as a manipulative diversion. The Beauty Shop and Chick-fil-a (misspelled?) sound bogus. I've been submitting help for a few other Reports, which also sound bogus, but I gave assistance anyway. I just tacked on the statement "if this is a real Report". Never heard back from anyone on those again. This is just mere speculation. Everyone has had a difficult time understanding them. The reason could be that the Reports are improvised. This is not to say some email, given to the Editor is fake. I just mean the Reports, in of themselves. If they are going to add bogus Rebuttals, why not a Report? Heck, Rach and Shaw could be the same. If Shaw is a fake Australian, insulting himself, why wouldn't he submit a fake Report? Anything works for a manipulative diversion.

Fraud Chick--Is there still a Fraud Chick? I liked Fraud Chick. Hope she's still out there. She could help as well in this situation.

Note to Hacker Team: It doesn't work with me. You're wasting your time. No matter what happens, in the "Blabber Mouth" category I still help two people, several nights a week, before I clock out. I just wanted you to know, while you read THIS Rebuttal.

Robin--I submitted a FULL Report about Fairbanks. Just to clarify, this was NOT a Rebuttal. This Report appeared in the travelripoffreport.com main page, in the live/meta feed. Even if the Report was not accurate, the Ed, Staff or another consumer would jump in with a correction type Rebuttal. If it were that inaccurate, it just wouldn't be posted at all. To have something posted, and then disappear all together, is not consitent with Rip-offreport.com protocol. For the Rebuttals submitted by Shaw, that were deleted, the Editor informed everyone. It was no secret. By the way, I have that Fairbanks Report printed out for proof.

Another weird email was Fairbanks related, they stated: "Fairbanks? Oh really? Tell me more. Thank You." Signed Bill. Can anyone make sense of this? I never spoke to anyone named Bill. I have a family friend named Bill. Don't we all? This is consistent with the Fairbanks fowl play.

The rest of my Mortgage/Real Estate Rebuttals go through, with no problem.

I quit working the Fairbanks area, because it gave me the creeps. Disappearing Reports, and weird emails. Enough.

STAFF---I just read a message stating there are not different emails, but part of your statement got cut off. I was just hoping you could run it again. Thank you.

Tom---Thank you, thank you, thank you for the list, but there are still some missing. Michelle added two more, but I think there are still more. When I try it's not the same. Maybe I'm not doing something right, but the id's are not accurate. Besides, you have a natural ferret gift. (grin)

April---Thank you for confirming our concerns. Any help or advice at this point is desparately appreciated. Now either you or someone else, mentioned that the Editor has their email, and they wanted to talk more about this. Don't know what progress you've made, but you are welcome to have my email as well if needed. The Editor does not usually set this type of networking up, because the information is not openly shared with the consumers. He means that if it is good enough for the email recipients, it is good enough for the consumers. Still, this might not apply to our situation. We're not big business tycoons here. If he goes along with it, you are welcome to email me either way.
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Has anyone noticed bogus Reports?

AUTHOR: Jacqueline - (U.S.A.)

This question might be viewed the second time for some. Could the same alleged hacker team be submitting bogus Reports, in addition to Rebuttals? It could work as a manipulative diversion. The Beauty Shop and Chick-fil-a (misspelled?) sound bogus. I've been submitting help for a few other Reports, which also sound bogus, but I gave assistance anyway. I just tacked on the statement "if this is a real Report". Never heard back from anyone on those again. This is just mere speculation. Everyone has had a difficult time understanding them. The reason could be that the Reports are improvised. This is not to say some email, given to the Editor is fake. I just mean the Reports, in of themselves. If they are going to add bogus Rebuttals, why not a Report? Heck, Rach and Shaw could be the same. If Shaw is a fake Australian, insulting himself, why wouldn't he submit a fake Report? Anything works for a manipulative diversion.

Fraud Chick--Is there still a Fraud Chick? I liked Fraud Chick. Hope she's still out there. She could help as well in this situation.

Note to Hacker Team: It doesn't work with me. You're wasting your time. No matter what happens, in the "Blabber Mouth" category I still help two people, several nights a week, before I clock out. I just wanted you to know, while you read THIS Rebuttal.

Robin--I submitted a FULL Report about Fairbanks. Just to clarify, this was NOT a Rebuttal. This Report appeared in the travelripoffreport.com main page, in the live/meta feed. Even if the Report was not accurate, the Ed, Staff or another consumer would jump in with a correction type Rebuttal. If it were that inaccurate, it just wouldn't be posted at all. To have something posted, and then disappear all together, is not consitent with Rip-offreport.com protocol. For the Rebuttals submitted by Shaw, that were deleted, the Editor informed everyone. It was no secret. By the way, I have that Fairbanks Report printed out for proof.

Another weird email was Fairbanks related, they stated: "Fairbanks? Oh really? Tell me more. Thank You." Signed Bill. Can anyone make sense of this? I never spoke to anyone named Bill. I have a family friend named Bill. Don't we all? This is consistent with the Fairbanks fowl play.

The rest of my Mortgage/Real Estate Rebuttals go through, with no problem.

I quit working the Fairbanks area, because it gave me the creeps. Disappearing Reports, and weird emails. Enough.

STAFF---I just read a message stating there are not different emails, but part of your statement got cut off. I was just hoping you could run it again. Thank you.

Tom---Thank you, thank you, thank you for the list, but there are still some missing. Michelle added two more, but I think there are still more. When I try it's not the same. Maybe I'm not doing something right, but the id's are not accurate. Besides, you have a natural ferret gift. (grin)

April---Thank you for confirming our concerns. Any help or advice at this point is desparately appreciated. Now either you or someone else, mentioned that the Editor has their email, and they wanted to talk more about this. Don't know what progress you've made, but you are welcome to have my email as well if needed. The Editor does not usually set this type of networking up, because the information is not openly shared with the consumers. He means that if it is good enough for the email recipients, it is good enough for the consumers. Still, this might not apply to our situation. We're not big business tycoons here. If he goes along with it, you are welcome to email me either way.
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Lighten Up Ladies and Gents - Life's too short!!!

AUTHOR: Wally - (Australia)

G'day again from Down Under. Instead of wasting all of your time, effort and money on a loser like Shawangunk why not lighten up and start planning your next holiday in Australia.

Honestly I have been watching some very intelligent, switched on people become furious wrecks hell bent on sinking to Shawangunk's level. In the overall scheme of things he/she/it is very insignificant and rates very low on the food chain.

On the other hand if he/she/it was an Australian we would tell he/she/it to buggar off and we wouldn't give he/she/it another thought. We don't have any time for fools.

We are in the middle of winter where I live and the temperature of the Pacific Ocean across the road is at its lowest 68 degrees F. The sky is blue and the Ocean even bluer so this coming summer is going to be terrific. Forget Shawangunk - think Australia and you'll all feel a lot better.

Kind Regards,
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Sorry, forgot something!

AUTHOR: April - (U.S.A.)

I rebuttaled earlier, but I forget to tell everyone somethings about the Spam mail. OK, you should know up front, every single email I sent to the Spam desk and FTC have come back sating that they can not trace where these emails are originating at. In fact, once you forward them, save them or cut them, they become encryptic. I have the latest encryption coders on my system and I can't uncrypt them. The FTC will continue to search anyway. I'm sure they'll find someone that can de-code them.

Now, I don't remember who asked about Brian from Toledo, Ohio. But I do find it odd that he has taken up for the "Shaw's" on numerous issues. In fact stating a generalization of the same crap. It did find it even odder that, on the Circuit City report #299, he rebuttaled on 7/17/03 taking Peglegs side. Then on 7/22/03, he's calling CC a rip off. He's on another CC report #63557, where on 7/21/03 he's siding with Shaw. Then in the Circuit City report # 61369, on 7/31/03 he starts taking Peglegs side again and busting on Lori. A little too odd if you ask me.

There are two others that I've had a big run in with, I'm checking their post rebuttals. I've already seem simularities. Too many in fact. (A heads up, you can find them taking up for Shaw on one of the Shaw posts.) I'll get back to you all on that one. Still, there has to be something we all have in common. Let me know what you think.
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#60 Consumer Comment

A chronological "map" of our adventures with Shawangunk.

AUTHOR: Robin - (U.S.A.)

For Jasper and all:

This issue is confusing for anyone who hasn't followed this on a daily basis and under more than one or two of Shaws faked names. He has many aliasesI think I have confused everyone by getting the cart before the horse. So, to clear this up, I will take you back to the beginning.

A little commentary on hackers and their behavior. Hackers are usually above average I.Q. folks. Some of them just get into your system and look around and go on their way to seek a new victim/system to crack. They are voyeurs and really do not mean you harm. They get their jollies by getting in and out without detection.

Then you have hackers with agendas. Someone who stays where he is for whatever reason. I suspect this person was looking around in this site since at least early April, gathering information and harvesting email addresses. To fill up the spare time, he developed several aliases and wrote nasty rebuttals to all and sundry. The very fact that this person showed up out of the blue seemed weird, the fact that he stayed with us was strange. And all those AKAs, it was illogical. Why?

Most of us post here because we like the site, have a complaint of our own, or would like to help someone else resolve a complaint. Or we just enjoy it. Shaw did not seem to be enjoying anything too much. I think all the pollution he spread was an outlet for his boredom.

Then the Spam campaign started up in early/mid May. Whether this person did it directly or just put all the email addresses he could find on lists, who knows. He must have had some connection, perhaps selling email addresses to spammers. Then when some of the mail came back, perhaps the person who bought the names got POd and wanted a refund on all the emails that did not seem to be working. (I hope this person feels ripped off, ha, ha)! Somehow, he knew that some addresses were not good.

After awhile, this person became bored again. Hackers that stay put tend to want people to notice that something is going on, so they will start planting little clues here and there. They need for their cleverness to be noticed and acknowledged. They are, by that time, convinced of their own invulnerability and they will play little games. Below is the clue I noticed; some of you may have seen something else that I missed.

(Just read the rebuttals mentioned; if you stop and read the whole complaint, youll lose the flow). I have made note of the site outages that I have noticed. There may be more. Believe it or not, I am not on here every minute!

On June 30, something odd happened. I posted a rebuttal to this Circuit City report: (Sync about this):

http://www.ripoffreport.com/view.asp?id=59494

This was submitted at 6:30 AM and posted at 11:38 PM.

Also on June 30, this REPORT showed up at 5:46 PM:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/view.asp?id=62376

Read my rebuttal then read this report. This report is not a legitimate complaint, but exists only as a direct rebuttal to my rebuttal! This report is just plain silly and would go unnoticed EXCEPT by the person who had sent the rebuttal to the first post just a few hours before.

But, it was impossible! My rebuttal did not post until approximately six hours AFTER this goofy report showed up! HmmmMy radar went crazy, warning bells sounded and I started watching everything pretty closely.

###### 07/05/2003 Site down in afternoon, but may have been routine maintenance; dont know.

On 07/06/2003 rebuttal on this report: (HopeCircuit City scamsNO WARRANTY? Thank you Brian., etc.)

http://www.ripoffreport.com/view.asp?id=62443

Again, I let this person know that I suspected hanky panky on his part.

On 07/07/2003, our perp showed up under Wal-Mart, this time calling himself Countache: (How lovely to hear from you again, Countache)

http://www.ripoffreport.com/view.asp?id=62863

I pretty much let him have it at this point, flat out telling him that I was going to blow the whistle on him.

####### 07/09/2003: Site had BIG upheaval w/ all rebuttals overwritten. Down several hours.

On 07/12/2003 I did this ridiculous knitting the names together into a story rebuttal with a pretty good explanation of tracing IP addresses just to let this person know that he should quit: (Shawangunk, no aliases? Get outta town)

http://www.ripoffreport.com/view.asp?id=60833

#######07/13/2003 Site down again w/ all rebuttals overwritten with same post.

Notice all this time that no one is posting to ask why I keep saying all this Im watching you stuff? Or calling me deluded or a nutcaseor anything? I thought that was really odd. Absolute dead silence on the issue. The person writing these posts KNEW exactly what I was talking about, no need to ask. (Everybody else probably just blew me off as a paranoid head case, or something). False accusations tend to bring immediate response from the falsely accusedthink about it.


So now we come to the post that started all this:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/view.asp?id=64252

(Poor Michele, again I am truly sorry, but it was time to blow this person out of the water.)

There is a reference to me hiding my identity, along with others. There are probably more people using MailWasher or something similar that were sending this guys crap back to him as well, thus he thinks a lot of us are posting with fake email addresses.

If you read all this in sequence, it shows that I have been dogging this guy for a good while (there are other posts, but this is enough for this purpose).

This is why I do not think that this person is benign and just messing around with us. The fact that he has stayed so long indicates that he is probably working for someone and has no choice. And I explained all the rest in an earlier post, so take it from there.

I hope this helps with my reasoning in this issue. It is ridiculous to put the beginning at the end, which is what I am doing, but I thought I was starting to look a little like a crackpot myself after rereading all this! I just failed to let the rest of you in on it. My oversight.

I hope the ED will make these links active for you as it will make it easier and much faster for you to follow the trail. If not, just copy and paste them into your browser address bar and go back and forth. Happy hunting.

(BTW, still getting hammered with filthy email. Just got one about five minutes ago that involves barnyard animals. Yuck! Sheesh! OMG! Hope they enjoy getting THAT one back as much as I enjoyed sending it back!)

I will be out of touch for a few days, so relaxno more long posts from me for awhile. Study on it and see what you think. That is why I am trying to get all this in today (sorry for all the rebuttals, but I want to help Jasper out a bit. And this may help April with whatever she is confused about as well). Ill be back Monday or Tuesday.
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Important information for everyone!

AUTHOR: April - (U.S.A.)

To Jasper,

Im sorry, but from where I stand, could you give up a report to which you did not agree with Shaw or his aliases. Also, Are you from Chicago, Illinois or Corn Junction, South Carolina? Secondly, you said that some of Shaws comments were uncalled for, and you would have been, what? Let me give a link to one of your so-called comments: www.ripoffreport.com/view.asp?id=24016. So, what this was called for? Dont think so! This is the kind of comments that make us believe you ARE one of the Shaws.

At no point did anyone ever, on any report, start with Shaw, he has however ticked just about everyone on this site off. If you want to continue to take up for him or yourself, fine whatever. But, you asked what crime was committed have you read our comments? All these attacks, for one, are illegal and a federal offense. You are aware of the Internet laws, right?

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To Robin,

Unfortunately, this cant be Fairbanks doing. Why? Because I have been attacked and I have absolutely nothing to do with Fairbanks. I think its time we all get together to find out what we all have in common on this site. Maybe we should start with what kind of posts weve made ourselves and what rebuttals we have in common. It may take a few days of Rebuttaled updates to get everyones information, but at least it gives us somewhere to start.

As for others that are pretty coincidental to the whole Shaw MO, Well, I want to look closer to make sure. I will rebuttal with what I find. I have seen more than 5 others, which look all too familiar.

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To everyone else attacked,

I can tell you, after today, my frustration and hatred toward the Shaws elevated to a boiling point. You see I hadnt read about the Microsoft email before opening it on my own site. I have spent my entire day off rebooting my system. You see this worm destroyed ALL my Microsoft files. Every last one of them. So please DO NOT open this email. Luckily I had the knowledge and backup disks to rebuild my file system. Others may not.

For all the Spam mail attacks, forward them to uce@ftc.gov and your ISP. All ISPs have a Spam desk. If you dont already know the email address, you can either go to support at your ISPs home page or call them. I also looked up to find out about the Microsoft email to see if they were aware of it. The are. It was discovered in April of this year and as you can see from what happened when I opened this, it is a pretty good bug. You can view the details at http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100307.htm. This will give you better descriptions of the email and what the header may contain.

By the way, this is what confuses the hell out of me; can anyone tell me how this SOB got our email addresses, not to mention some of these emails include our addresses and/or phone numbers? A little to odd, dont you think?

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To the Shaws,

Know right now that I find your attacks on people abusive to say the least. I find this personal attack upsetting and you will regret it. Understand that I am not the kind of person that will sit back and be attacked by you or anyone and you will pay. If you were smart enough to read some of my posts or rebuttals, you would know that I am very well educated, Im related to higher political people. You would also know that I hold a degree in paralegal studies, and am very versed in the laws surrounding the Internet, not to mention other degrees I hold. So I can assure I will find you and when I do, I WILL see to you that you are prosecuted to the FULLEST extent of the law. As we can see, you have been very quite for the last few days, why? Getting scared? If I were you, I would definitely be scared as to what will happen to you in jail.

As you can see, we have all had it with you and your attacks. This ends now!
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#62 Consumer Suggestion

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AUTHOR: April - (U.S.A.)

To Jasper,

Im sorry, but from where I stand, could you give up a report to which you did not agree with Shaw or his aliases. Also, Are you from Chicago, Illinois or Corn Junction, South Carolina? Secondly, you said that some of Shaws comments were uncalled for, and you would have been, what? Let me give a link to one of your so-called comments: www.ripoffreport.com/view.asp?id=24016. So, what this was called for? Dont think so! This is the kind of comments that make us believe you ARE one of the Shaws.

At no point did anyone ever, on any report, start with Shaw, he has however ticked just about everyone on this site off. If you want to continue to take up for him or yourself, fine whatever. But, you asked what crime was committed have you read our comments? All these attacks, for one, are illegal and a federal offense. You are aware of the Internet laws, right?

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To Robin,

Unfortunately, this cant be Fairbanks doing. Why? Because I have been attacked and I have absolutely nothing to do with Fairbanks. I think its time we all get together to find out what we all have in common on this site. Maybe we should start with what kind of posts weve made ourselves and what rebuttals we have in common. It may take a few days of Rebuttaled updates to get everyones information, but at least it gives us somewhere to start.

As for others that are pretty coincidental to the whole Shaw MO, Well, I want to look closer to make sure. I will rebuttal with what I find. I have seen more than 5 others, which look all too familiar.

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To everyone else attacked,

I can tell you, after today, my frustration and hatred toward the Shaws elevated to a boiling point. You see I hadnt read about the Microsoft email before opening it on my own site. I have spent my entire day off rebooting my system. You see this worm destroyed ALL my Microsoft files. Every last one of them. So please DO NOT open this email. Luckily I had the knowledge and backup disks to rebuild my file system. Others may not.

For all the Spam mail attacks, forward them to uce@ftc.gov and your ISP. All ISPs have a Spam desk. If you dont already know the email address, you can either go to support at your ISPs home page or call them. I also looked up to find out about the Microsoft email to see if they were aware of it. The are. It was discovered in April of this year and as you can see from what happened when I opened this, it is a pretty good bug. You can view the details at http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100307.htm. This will give you better descriptions of the email and what the header may contain.

By the way, this is what confuses the hell out of me; can anyone tell me how this SOB got our email addresses, not to mention some of these emails include our addresses and/or phone numbers? A little to odd, dont you think?

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To the Shaws,

Know right now that I find your attacks on people abusive to say the least. I find this personal attack upsetting and you will regret it. Understand that I am not the kind of person that will sit back and be attacked by you or anyone and you will pay. If you were smart enough to read some of my posts or rebuttals, you would know that I am very well educated, Im related to higher political people. You would also know that I hold a degree in paralegal studies, and am very versed in the laws surrounding the Internet, not to mention other degrees I hold. So I can assure I will find you and when I do, I WILL see to you that you are prosecuted to the FULLEST extent of the law. As we can see, you have been very quite for the last few days, why? Getting scared? If I were you, I would definitely be scared as to what will happen to you in jail.

As you can see, we have all had it with you and your attacks. This ends now!
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#63 Consumer Comment

Duplicate links...not part of the issue.

AUTHOR: Robin - (U.S.A.)

I don't think there is anything particularly sinister about duplicate links for the same rebuttal. If you post and/or rebut a post and four more people respond the next day, you should have four emails showing that your post was responded to. If three people respond, you'll get three links. I think it is just how the system at badbusinessbureau.com is set up.

I do not think that is part of all this other "strangeness". BTW, another "inbox" full of bad junk this morning....Sigh.
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#64 Consumer Comment

Duplicate links...not part of the issue.

AUTHOR: Robin - (U.S.A.)

I don't think there is anything particularly sinister about duplicate links for the same rebuttal. If you post and/or rebut a post and four more people respond the next day, you should have four emails showing that your post was responded to. If three people respond, you'll get three links. I think it is just how the system at badbusinessbureau.com is set up.

I do not think that is part of all this other "strangeness". BTW, another "inbox" full of bad junk this morning....Sigh.
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#65 Consumer Comment

Duplicate links...not part of the issue.

AUTHOR: Robin - (U.S.A.)

I don't think there is anything particularly sinister about duplicate links for the same rebuttal. If you post and/or rebut a post and four more people respond the next day, you should have four emails showing that your post was responded to. If three people respond, you'll get three links. I think it is just how the system at badbusinessbureau.com is set up.

I do not think that is part of all this other "strangeness". BTW, another "inbox" full of bad junk this morning....Sigh.
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#66 Consumer Comment

I too have seen some funny things in my email!

AUTHOR: Connie - (U.S.A.)

I have also seen something funny with my email. Responses to ROR have been coming in duplicates in my in box, I had one on Monday that had come to my in box 4times, for the same response. i thought it was something weird with my email, bit now i wonder????? Anyhow, i am firmly behind you guys, mainly because i have hated, and have also had to force myself not to reply, to some of the gargage that he spews out, and i am thrilled at the idea of being part of the solution, instead of sitting on my hands and, unwittingly contributing to the problem.

Keep up the awesome work!!!
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#67 Consumer Comment

The spam attack is underway again....replies for Tom and Jaqueline

AUTHOR: Robin - (U.S.A.)

I am answering this here (even the posts from the "Michele and Shawangunk post) as we really need to get off that post. Michele does not need to be included in this mess at all...I do not see how anyone can equate her with Shaw! Michele is somewhat direct and to the point at times, but we can't sugar-coat everything, can we? Again, I apologize to Michele; we will try to get this in order and have no animus toward you.

To Tom:
You have a good list and have noticed a lot of the inconsistencies well. I figure someone is getting sloppy with their Autofill function. I suspect many more aliases. It is really immaterial at this point. We can just stick with Shaw.

AS for whether or not Shaw is still attempting to post under any name, who knows. Evidently the ED holds the really awful ones, so only he would know.

The Circuit City posts were at least reasonable in some regards and in one of them Shaw says he is a former CC employee. Brian from Toledo also claims to be a former Circuit City employee and has written some searing rebuttals to me in that ALL CAPS*** with asterisks around certain words - *YOU*....
*AND*- same Shaw style. At one time Brian was like a Circuit City cheerleader, RAH, RAH, RAH. Then he began writing posts slamming them just as hard as he had previously rooted for them. Who knows what issues these people may have; they seem to turn at the drop of a hat.

I am happy to hear that you are not spammed, because I am being blasted again. I will explain later in the post.

To Jacqueline:

You may be right. There may be help involved with this. At one time I logged three distinct styles of writing. Now we seem to be down to one from what is posted, anyway. And the one that is left was always the milder Shaw, anyway.

I do not know about Tupper Lake. Evidently, the ED has had some problems with that area in the past. That saga has been on this board for a lot longer than I have and there has never been any real trouble from it. It is amusing, but doesnt seem threatening. No one likes anyone in that town and it is certainly not alone in that respect.

The BBB; the worlds most useless institution. Another self-serving organization taking money from folks at both ends for itself. Sweet scam, but if they got caught doing stuff like what is going on here, that would be the end of it for them forever and they know it. BBB is not under that much fire on this site, although I hear they hassle it. Again, another issue that has been around for awhile with no real ill effects.

Don Lapre? Who knows. I have not researched that issue too much. Somebody posted a slur about bbb.com because of someone accusing a buddy of his of being a friend or cohort of this Lapre or some such thing. (I am offline so cannot research it for awhile).

As for snail mail contributions; they work. I dont care for credit cards. They charge the folks that accept them a percentage. The more you give, the more the CC companies get for their cut. (Another group getting money from both ends, from the consumer and from the merchant). There is a snail-mail address on-site and that is where I sent my check.

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Just went online to paste this into the rebuttal form (I write them in Word for spelling and typo corrections). The site is down again! Page cannot be displayed message is up. Not again!!

I say again: timing is everything. I began having all this spam mail in April. Around the middle to the end of April. Shaw was around then, I remember in the early Shawonga posts finding one dated the 3rd or 4th of April.

I have begun receiving the really bad stuff again. Someone doesnt like what we are doing here, I guess. Got two filthy spams already just this morning and I mean WAY beyond Viagra and enlarging equipment that I do not have. I have also received not one, but TWO fake Microsoft Update emails.

Microsoft never sends these emails, all their notifications come through The Critical Update Notification box that pops up on your screen. If you get one do not click any links, do not look at it in your preview pane. Get rid of it. It is a bona-fide FAKE!

The first one attempted to scramble the eggs on my computer when I tried to bounce it. It shut down my antivirus and attempted to change my dial-up settings. When I rebooted (which was the only way I could get out of the mess), I got a message saying that some program had attempted to alter my Master Boot record! I simply went back to the last clean boot record and all was well. This is very common behavior with some types of worms.

The second one I copied and it contained over twenty printed pages of encrypted code (MailWasher will show all that up too, the real message looks nothing like what you see in the preview pane)! It had Update577.exe on it. As much code as was there, I have no doubt that it was some sort of executable program. I have been bouncing the stuff after copying it. The assault is on again, I suppose. This is why I am doing all these security things. I have a horror of passing this stuff along to innocent parties. And maybe we are scaring someone?

Here is the really weird thingThis spam mail started up again right after I joined the Yahoo mortgage fraud victims forum. Within two hours of joining I had my first fake MS Update email, the one that attempted to do damage to my system. And I am getting more and more. I still bounce it and it gets returned to the sender, so someone is out there with an open connection.

I am NOT saying that posters on that forum are doing this so please do not think that. Someone is mining that forum for email addresses, though. I mentioned having an old address I havent used in two years or so.rarely get anything in that one and it has all been something that I have subscribed to in the past. Newletters, etc. ALL this new stuff is coming to that old address, which is the one that I used to subscribe at Yahoo! I used it for that reason; it is a good way to track who might be using the email addresses for low purposes. Hmmm

If one thinks about this logically.a worm planted in the systems of posters on the Yahoo forum would be easily and quickly spread. And it is known that posters go back and forth between that forum and this one, so it would have been advantageous to send the worm to everybody possible, perhaps to disrupt both forums. That is what makes me believe that the first really big disruption at this site took our addresses out of the database here.

A good determined hacker can almost operate at will. There is only so much one can do to keep them out and still have a functioning system on the Net. Too much firewall will shut you down. Another reason I write these in Word nowadays; I can go offline to do it. I stay offline a lot these days

Considering that this kind of thing is illegal as hell, I figure it is somebody that has nothing left to lose. They are already criminals on the verge of going down, but are desperately trying to shut everyone up about what they are doing to their victims. They were already going down in AprilI think it has a Fairbanks connection! Anyone who would rob so many people and then toss them into the street after breaking them would have no qualms about messing up some computers, would they?

They figure if they are going down they will either buy off or take down everyone connected with their downfall. This site is a good candidate for that retribution as there are many posts here that would break the devils heart if he read them. Bad PR for Fairbanks!

I have the added disadvantage of being one of Fairbanks most outspoken critics and a critic of the turncoat advocates on this site, as well. I do not think they like me much. I think they hate RipOffReport.com and the ED because he runs it. And the ED may have actively done things to organize opposition against Fairbanks in the past.

Former advocates that have turned have a history of being very vindictive and I think there may be more here than meets the eye. I do not believe these are random attacks, but a very methodical war being fought from more than one front. A war with a Fairbanks connection.

Go back to March and April and see how much noise was being made about Fairbanks here. Notice how that clamor has died down lately? I am guessing that a smear campaign is being fought on one of the fronts against this site. Not out in the open, but in a sneaky manner, underground, through private emailings maybe. Probably something along the lines that The ED is giving out posters email addresses or is working with Fairbanks behind their backswho knows. Maybe theyll screw up and send me one of those; Id love to see it!

And for the crowning piece of circumstantial (but convincing in my mind) evidence: Shaw never touched a Fairbanks post that I know of except for one time! A gentleman posted saying that Fairbanks was failing to ACH his payments from his account and then had the nerve to charge him late fees. Shaw just couldnt resist getting on that one and giving it the full Ha, ha, ha, you are a dummy, you are stupid routine.

While the Fairbanks battle raged on, Shaw was posting under almost everything else! And so were we, to an extent.paying attention to other issues and becoming distracted from FB. Another oddity; Shaw never answered me directly that I can remember (Im sure Id remember it if he had) until the one where I started this originally. (I firmly believe that I was answered by some of his AKAs; just not under Shawangunk.) I have flamed him a bunch of times and he was silent. I thought that was weird. Maybe I was getting really nasty rebuttals that the ED held. Just so much that I do not know.

To clarify: I call Shaw a he/him simply because that was what I was taught in grammar class. If the gender is unknown, it takes the male appellation. I am in no way convinced that Shaw is not femaleor even a small group of people with an agenda.

My check to this site went out day before yesterday and I hope that more get sent. This attack will have to be stopped at the source. I can trace my emails, Jacqueline can trace hers, but that is just two people out of how many? Tom, I hope your inbox stays clean, but I would be cautious of unknown or unexpected email for awhile. Whoever this is, they are playing for keeps and fighting dirty!

Whatever you are, whoever you are, wherever you are Shawonga/Shawangunk/and company: You are not only attacking this site, which is near and dear to me, but have it used it to springboard an attack on me personally with your email bombs. Big mistake on your part.

The answers are at badbusinessbureau.com where all the stuff *YOU* send goes. We need a professional consultant on-site for awhile. I will be passing the hat for this purpose for some time to come. We will get you and remove you like the horrible human virus/worm that you are!
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The spam attack is underway again....replies for Tom and Jaqueline

AUTHOR: Robin - (U.S.A.)

I am answering this here (even the posts from the "Michele and Shawangunk post) as we really need to get off that post. Michele does not need to be included in this mess at all...I do not see how anyone can equate her with Shaw! Michele is somewhat direct and to the point at times, but we can't sugar-coat everything, can we? Again, I apologize to Michele; we will try to get this in order and have no animus toward you.

To Tom:
You have a good list and have noticed a lot of the inconsistencies well. I figure someone is getting sloppy with their Autofill function. I suspect many more aliases. It is really immaterial at this point. We can just stick with Shaw.

AS for whether or not Shaw is still attempting to post under any name, who knows. Evidently the ED holds the really awful ones, so only he would know.

The Circuit City posts were at least reasonable in some regards and in one of them Shaw says he is a former CC employee. Brian from Toledo also claims to be a former Circuit City employee and has written some searing rebuttals to me in that ALL CAPS*** with asterisks around certain words - *YOU*....
*AND*- same Shaw style. At one time Brian was like a Circuit City cheerleader, RAH, RAH, RAH. Then he began writing posts slamming them just as hard as he had previously rooted for them. Who knows what issues these people may have; they seem to turn at the drop of a hat.

I am happy to hear that you are not spammed, because I am being blasted again. I will explain later in the post.

To Jacqueline:

You may be right. There may be help involved with this. At one time I logged three distinct styles of writing. Now we seem to be down to one from what is posted, anyway. And the one that is left was always the milder Shaw, anyway.

I do not know about Tupper Lake. Evidently, the ED has had some problems with that area in the past. That saga has been on this board for a lot longer than I have and there has never been any real trouble from it. It is amusing, but doesnt seem threatening. No one likes anyone in that town and it is certainly not alone in that respect.

The BBB; the worlds most useless institution. Another self-serving organization taking money from folks at both ends for itself. Sweet scam, but if they got caught doing stuff like what is going on here, that would be the end of it for them forever and they know it. BBB is not under that much fire on this site, although I hear they hassle it. Again, another issue that has been around for awhile with no real ill effects.

Don Lapre? Who knows. I have not researched that issue too much. Somebody posted a slur about bbb.com because of someone accusing a buddy of his of being a friend or cohort of this Lapre or some such thing. (I am offline so cannot research it for awhile).

As for snail mail contributions; they work. I dont care for credit cards. They charge the folks that accept them a percentage. The more you give, the more the CC companies get for their cut. (Another group getting money from both ends, from the consumer and from the merchant). There is a snail-mail address on-site and that is where I sent my check.

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Just went online to paste this into the rebuttal form (I write them in Word for spelling and typo corrections). The site is down again! Page cannot be displayed message is up. Not again!!

I say again: timing is everything. I began having all this spam mail in April. Around the middle to the end of April. Shaw was around then, I remember in the early Shawonga posts finding one dated the 3rd or 4th of April.

I have begun receiving the really bad stuff again. Someone doesnt like what we are doing here, I guess. Got two filthy spams already just this morning and I mean WAY beyond Viagra and enlarging equipment that I do not have. I have also received not one, but TWO fake Microsoft Update emails.

Microsoft never sends these emails, all their notifications come through The Critical Update Notification box that pops up on your screen. If you get one do not click any links, do not look at it in your preview pane. Get rid of it. It is a bona-fide FAKE!

The first one attempted to scramble the eggs on my computer when I tried to bounce it. It shut down my antivirus and attempted to change my dial-up settings. When I rebooted (which was the only way I could get out of the mess), I got a message saying that some program had attempted to alter my Master Boot record! I simply went back to the last clean boot record and all was well. This is very common behavior with some types of worms.

The second one I copied and it contained over twenty printed pages of encrypted code (MailWasher will show all that up too, the real message looks nothing like what you see in the preview pane)! It had Update577.exe on it. As much code as was there, I have no doubt that it was some sort of executable program. I have been bouncing the stuff after copying it. The assault is on again, I suppose. This is why I am doing all these security things. I have a horror of passing this stuff along to innocent parties. And maybe we are scaring someone?

Here is the really weird thingThis spam mail started up again right after I joined the Yahoo mortgage fraud victims forum. Within two hours of joining I had my first fake MS Update email, the one that attempted to do damage to my system. And I am getting more and more. I still bounce it and it gets returned to the sender, so someone is out there with an open connection.

I am NOT saying that posters on that forum are doing this so please do not think that. Someone is mining that forum for email addresses, though. I mentioned having an old address I havent used in two years or so.rarely get anything in that one and it has all been something that I have subscribed to in the past. Newletters, etc. ALL this new stuff is coming to that old address, which is the one that I used to subscribe at Yahoo! I used it for that reason; it is a good way to track who might be using the email addresses for low purposes. Hmmm

If one thinks about this logically.a worm planted in the systems of posters on the Yahoo forum would be easily and quickly spread. And it is known that posters go back and forth between that forum and this one, so it would have been advantageous to send the worm to everybody possible, perhaps to disrupt both forums. That is what makes me believe that the first really big disruption at this site took our addresses out of the database here.

A good determined hacker can almost operate at will. There is only so much one can do to keep them out and still have a functioning system on the Net. Too much firewall will shut you down. Another reason I write these in Word nowadays; I can go offline to do it. I stay offline a lot these days

Considering that this kind of thing is illegal as hell, I figure it is somebody that has nothing left to lose. They are already criminals on the verge of going down, but are desperately trying to shut everyone up about what they are doing to their victims. They were already going down in AprilI think it has a Fairbanks connection! Anyone who would rob so many people and then toss them into the street after breaking them would have no qualms about messing up some computers, would they?

They figure if they are going down they will either buy off or take down everyone connected with their downfall. This site is a good candidate for that retribution as there are many posts here that would break the devils heart if he read them. Bad PR for Fairbanks!

I have the added disadvantage of being one of Fairbanks most outspoken critics and a critic of the turncoat advocates on this site, as well. I do not think they like me much. I think they hate RipOffReport.com and the ED because he runs it. And the ED may have actively done things to organize opposition against Fairbanks in the past.

Former advocates that have turned have a history of being very vindictive and I think there may be more here than meets the eye. I do not believe these are random attacks, but a very methodical war being fought from more than one front. A war with a Fairbanks connection.

Go back to March and April and see how much noise was being made about Fairbanks here. Notice how that clamor has died down lately? I am guessing that a smear campaign is being fought on one of the fronts against this site. Not out in the open, but in a sneaky manner, underground, through private emailings maybe. Probably something along the lines that The ED is giving out posters email addresses or is working with Fairbanks behind their backswho knows. Maybe theyll screw up and send me one of those; Id love to see it!

And for the crowning piece of circumstantial (but convincing in my mind) evidence: Shaw never touched a Fairbanks post that I know of except for one time! A gentleman posted saying that Fairbanks was failing to ACH his payments from his account and then had the nerve to charge him late fees. Shaw just couldnt resist getting on that one and giving it the full Ha, ha, ha, you are a dummy, you are stupid routine.

While the Fairbanks battle raged on, Shaw was posting under almost everything else! And so were we, to an extent.paying attention to other issues and becoming distracted from FB. Another oddity; Shaw never answered me directly that I can remember (Im sure Id remember it if he had) until the one where I started this originally. (I firmly believe that I was answered by some of his AKAs; just not under Shawangunk.) I have flamed him a bunch of times and he was silent. I thought that was weird. Maybe I was getting really nasty rebuttals that the ED held. Just so much that I do not know.

To clarify: I call Shaw a he/him simply because that was what I was taught in grammar class. If the gender is unknown, it takes the male appellation. I am in no way convinced that Shaw is not femaleor even a small group of people with an agenda.

My check to this site went out day before yesterday and I hope that more get sent. This attack will have to be stopped at the source. I can trace my emails, Jacqueline can trace hers, but that is just two people out of how many? Tom, I hope your inbox stays clean, but I would be cautious of unknown or unexpected email for awhile. Whoever this is, they are playing for keeps and fighting dirty!

Whatever you are, whoever you are, wherever you are Shawonga/Shawangunk/and company: You are not only attacking this site, which is near and dear to me, but have it used it to springboard an attack on me personally with your email bombs. Big mistake on your part.

The answers are at badbusinessbureau.com where all the stuff *YOU* send goes. We need a professional consultant on-site for awhile. I will be passing the hat for this purpose for some time to come. We will get you and remove you like the horrible human virus/worm that you are!
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I've read them all

AUTHOR: Jasper - (U.S.A.)

I have read the reference posts, and fail to see where Shawangunk was being rude, until it seems he/she seemed to be attacked by Robin. The first posting by Shawangunk was to Rach from Orlando. I stand by my earlier suggestion which was, IGNORE them. This has gotten out of control. People slamming others, with nothing constructive being done. Shaw has made some uncalled for comments on some topics, but so have others. I think people just don't like the old, Whaa whaa, cry me a river, that is used so often. Just my opinion. Thanks for listening.
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AUTHOR: April - (U.S.A.)

Robin,

I just read you rebuttal as it came up tonight/early morning in my area. I was very upset to see that I am apparently not the only one. You see, before my e-mails were being traced and intercepted because of a company scam I called and have almost completely taken them out. That stopped when the FCC placed a trace on my line.

Anyway, around May or June, I started getting pornographic e-mails and well, judging by your rebuttal, you know the rest. I dismissed it as one of my friends playing a stupid joke. Until they started showing up on other e-mail accounts of mine. I am on the do not e-mail Spam/solicitation lists and I have a Spam Eliminator with my ISP. Only, they were still coming. I sent the emails to my ISP Spam center. My ISP sent me numerous emails stating that these emails were untraceable. I am still receiving at least 15+ a day.

ED has my email, just let him know Im April from the Precision scam. Hopefully he gives it to you, because I would definitely like to talk to you more about this. Ive had my run-ins with Shaw many times. Quite frankly, I would love to get a hold of this guy. I get tired of reading his rebuttals to myself and others that do not have this coming. Yeah, there are some that I could care less if he messes with them or not, but to all of those that are just helping consumers, I do have a problem with. Its funny, I went through any post that I have ever made on this site and made a list of everyone that replied and how he or she replied. Youd love to see what I found, but it isnt things Id want to post to give Shaw a heads up.

There is only one thing that confuses me at this point, but Ill leave that for another time. You can also get my email address concerning the scam at my report on Precision Door. I really do want to talk you. In fact Im sure that Ed would be very interested in what I already know, he may even be extremely disappointed. Lets face it, ED does not deserve someone sabotaging him like this. I have a lot of respect for him and his site.
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Okay, cool Jasper, we need you next store : )

AUTHOR: Jacqueline - (U.S.A.)

Robin is not ignoring him. Instead of reruning through all the details, could you access the report next to this one? We could use your input. I'm sure that when you're up to date and know what's going on, you might have something to offer. We all need to work together as a team here. The Report is in the "Blabber Mouth" category, from Orlando, Florida. Part of the title has something like "Shawangunk Loathers Society", by the way, Robin wrote that title. She's not ignoring him. Robin has some important information there.

Just for peace of mind, I never gave the real url of any sercurity service, but I'm considering every option. The Editor has worked too hard to put this site together. There are a number of consumers here, who would like to show their appreciation for this service.

If you have any ideas, we can all troubleshoot, and put our heads together on this one.

This rebuttal will make more sense, when you access the other report.

And thank you for your advice.
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#72 Consumer Suggestion

"Shawangunk Loathers Society" has moved HERE! Why a boycott will not work in this case.

AUTHOR: Robin - (U.S.A.)

I originally started this under another post:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/view.asp?id=64252

If you like, go there and read all of it. There are things there that pertain to this topic, including responses from Shaw. I have moved the text of my last post here, because I realized that a poor lady named Michele was getting dragged needlessly along with this. (Sorry, Michele, no harm or insult intended toward you).

That was not fair, so I would like to continue the discussion of Shawangunk here instead. I have also moved the text of Jacquelines response; I hope that she does not mind, but it has bearing on the situation.

To the entire "Shawangunk-Loathers Society"...work with me here!

Okay, we have the ball rolling here, so let's take it all the way to the bottom of the hill. I am tickled to pieces that I am not the only one noticing these oddities. Tom and Jacqueline, especially.lets ride this thing to the end. Another really long post, but its a long way down this hill! But, theres much MORE!

I have mentioned in other posts the difficulty that this site is having lately with technical issues. Seemed like everything was going along great and along comes Shaw. All of a sudden, RipOffReport.com was down, scrambled, unavailable, and generally in a mess. It was happening a lot! I do not believe the Ed of this site suddenly forgot how things worked; that is absurd. Study, study, think.It was almost like the site was under attack.

Remember back to the first time that all the rebuttals got overwritten by the same rebuttal over and over? Not too long after that, I began to feel like I was under assault myself! One of my inboxes was flooded with some of the nastiest spam I have ever received. Lots of this ugly, nasty spam all at once, all of a sudden. One question for all of you; did this happen to any of you as well?

I say one of my inboxes, I have more than one email address. Nothing sinister, I have an old address that things get forwarded from on occasion, and another on another computer that I use in another location. I use the same address for posting on ROR no matter which computer I am using. Stay with me here

Almost all the spam was going to the address I use to report here! ALL of the really disgusting, sick stuff was coming to that address.

Then Shaw, out of the blue, accuses me of using a fake identity or hiding my identity. That was puzzling for a little bit. Waldron is certainly a real town and my name is Robin; nothing odd there.nothing as odd as Shawagunk.

Why would Shaw even think I was hiding my real identity? Analyze and think some more. What could I be doing that would make him think such a thing? Ive always posted under same name, same town, all over. Same email address.

I use a handy little program called MailWasher that snags my email before it gets to my OE inbox. There I can safely preview it without any embedded nasties reaching my mail program and my OS files. There are some options there; I can delete from directly from MailWasher, process the mail into my inbox, or I can bounce the email. Which I routinely do with all spam. When I bounce mail, it sends it back to the sender with my email address marked as invalid. Thus making the sender think that my mail address is no good when, in fact, it is both valid and functional. This is undoubtedly what led Shaw to think that I was hiding my identity.all his spam crap got returned! The moron thought I was posting with a fake email address. Ha! Gotcha!

Say the technical difficulties experienced by this site were caused by a hack attack. And during this hack, someone harvested all the email addresses posters were using for nefarious purposes. Spam mail is certainly an annoyance to those getting it. Especially filthy trash like I was getting!

For what reason would someone do this? One might be to make folks think that the ED of this site was selling or giving out posters addresses. I will never believe that, as I have been around this site longer than Shaw, and this never happened until last spring when HE showed up. The ED has to have integrity or he would have been out of business long ago with this site, end of story. Would not be logical if reason is applied.

Now we have a barrage of really nasty email and a really nasty poster with lots of AKAs (most of them so silly that one would have to be really out of it NOT to notice them) on the site who seems to have no goal except to inflame and perhaps drive/scare posters away. I immediately decided that Rip-Off Report.com was under attack, and myself and other posters by default. I take both issues personally and seriously. Harassment, both on and off the site.

Add to that the issue of whether the spam carried a payload of viruses or worms that posters would send back to the site every time we posted; a self-perpetuating attack that could be triggered by anyone, unwittingly, simply by posting a complaint.

I like this site. It is, in my humble opinion, a useful and worthy endeavor. I take umbrage at anyone trying to ruin a good thing as Shaw is doing. The site being what it is, it is a target for harassment, hassles, lawsuits, and general mischief by dishonest scam companies. There are any number of dishonest scam companies reported here, so the list is wide and long.

"Why" and "for whom" are the big questions that now need to be addressed. The WHY will tell us who Shaw is and who he is doing this for. That will be the end of this elaborate puzzle, so we can turn our attention to other matters. Right now, THIS matters, so it must be resolved. Sneak attacks are as low as it gets!

Shaw SEEMS to be everywhere, spreading garbage on every conceivable subject. But, he is not EVERYWHERE at all. The key lies in the posts that this person never/seldom seems to touch. There we will find the clueshelp me out here, guys! I have a few companies on my list already, but a little help would go a long way..lets expose this person and blow the lid off him!

NOTE FOR SHAWANJERK: I know that you are reading this, so a little info for you. Since I have blown my cover by telling you about what I was doing with the sick crap you were sending, I feel obliged to tell you this.

I have spent a couple of days doing the following:

Beefing up and enhancing firewalls. EVERY attempted intrusion into my system is now being reported.

Have added a neutralizing program to MailWasher, just in case you try to send me a little something extra.

Pest Patrol is on duty. In thorough mode.

Virus programs are updated daily w/ frequent online scans being done.

The really nasty emails I was getting were bounced, but not UNTIL AFTER I pulled and copied the headers. They will soon be on their way to someone who can help out.

I do not like you and know the feeling is mutual. You are an anarchist with the goal of destroying decency in society. You have sold yourself to someone, somewhere for personal gain. You are a sorry human being and nothing would give me more pleasure than seeing you hauled off in chains. There is no place in this country or the world for hacker/spammers; you are dirt!

I have spent some money to keep you out. I dont know what the ED of this site is doing concerning you, other than attempting to shield the readers from the worst of your garbage. (Thanks, but I dont see how it could get much worse than some that is posted! You must have a file full of real stinkers!)

I am going to send the ED a few bucks TODAY to be used to find and eliminate you from polite society. You are a danger to all of us, with your hate and hidden agenda! I am willing to expend whatever it takes to remove you from our midst!

Robin - Waldron, ArkansasU.S.A.
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Rebuttal Consumer SuggestionSubmitted: 7/29/2003 11:41:12 PM Modified: 7/29/2003 11:47:54 PM

YOU ARE RIGHT ON TARGET!!!! ..no way the EDitor is a part of any of this spam or whatever

Ever since this freak came to the site, my email is not functioning properly. Just about ALL 99% of my emails keep bouncing back to me. I have other emails. IT'S THE EMAIL I USE FOR THIS SITE. The most consistent message I get is: "Delivery Status Notification Failure".

I agree there's no way the EDitor is a part of any of this spam or whatever. He's a good man. Really I think he is to an extent put on the spot, and victim to the situation as well. Besides he's invested too much hard work into this site.

There is something special going on here, that I haven't found at other consumer sites.

The spam doesn't seem that different, but there was a weirdo last month, that emailed me. This person acted like they had spoken to me before, and I had never met this person. The email was just weird, sorry can't give more detail.

I blocked it, and wouldn't respond. I'm still looking into this further.

Robin, I think you're onto something.

This is a work in progress.

Jacqueline - Hammond, IndianaU.S.A.
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To Jasper,

Now, I am going to address your response. I really, really, truly tried to ignore this person and all the AKAs. I watched many battles rage under many topics and refrained from posting, although my fingers would twitch with the effort of trying NOT to go for the keyboard.

Ignoring this is not going to work. I believe someone has it in for this site or the site ED, or both; reasons why remain to be seen. While I was sitting back and watching, I began to notice odd things happening with my own email, etc. as explained above. Evidently, Jacqueline has had some problems as well. I am glad to hear that you think you were not affected, but are you absolutely sure that you were not? This would have occurred late spring/early summer.

If other people have noticed things, I am hoping that they will post here and let us know. I believe that there are more people who endured this spam blitz about the same time Jacqueline and I were experiencing it.

Timing is everythingit is the timing of this blitz that disturbs me. Site gets disrupted and, bang, ugly email everywhere. If we get many responses from others saying that they, too, began receiving these nasty, filthy emails, that would make the person doing it a hacker and a spammer. One is illegal and the other should be, as far as I am concerned. If this person was sending any viruses or worms with these emails, that is illegal, too.

As you can see from the post above, I take this very seriously and have taken measures to see that this person does not invade or infect my system. I do not know what the ED of this site is doing, but I am assuming that he has upped his security as well. I have not seen major disruptions in awhile and can only hope that this person is locked out. If not, the email may start up again.

I do agree with you that WiredCops is not the resource for this problem, so I have entered the appropriate resource below.

Notes for everyone:

Many worms spread simply by SEEING THE MESSAGE in the Preview pane of Outlook Express. One does not need to open an attachment or anything else; just letting it in and seeing it allows it to spread through files in the OS and infect the system.

Kakworm is an example of this; it hides in the AutoSignatures of the email messages sent from the affected computer. For this reason, I have disabled the Preview Pane in OE.

I suggest everyone do this: Outlook Express>View>Layout>Preview Pane. Simply uncheck the show preview pane , click apply and youre done! Easy, and so much safer for you. I did not like the look of my Inbox at first, but you will get used to it. If it is a message you deem safe, simply highlight and double-click it to see it. Otherwise, delete it and empty your deleted items list.

Anyone, such as Jacqueline, who feels that something untoward has happened to their system can go to Panda ActiveScan. There is an online virus/worm scan that is updated daily(it is a free tool). There are tools and tips for disinfection if something is found.

http://www.pandasoftware.com/activescan

And if anyone else happens to have some saved headers from some of that nasty email, here is your resource:

http://abuse.net

This site has many tracking tools and tips for relaying complaints and headers to ISPs, which I am using to forward my own cache of saved items. The really ugly spam tracks back to two main addresses, so it should not take long to get them traced. This resource would be more appropriate for this issue than WiredCops.

What I am mainly interested in here is feedback on 1) how many people were spammed last late spring/early summer with sex-filled, nasty, putrid emails and even more of those Viagra etc. than usual 2) need help in finding where Shaw IS NOT.

Also would be interested in knowing if anyone finds/found infections. While it cannot be proven that they came from the email in our blitz, if many folks have the exact same bug that showed up in a short time-frame, it would seem a good bet that they came from the same place. Please write down the description and post it. Even if you have dealt with something through your own virus protection program, if you had an incident in the time frame above, let us know even if you cannot identify it.

I believe that part of Shaws purpose was to distract everyone from other issues. Get our minds off something else. Notice the topics he chooses; restaurants, hairdressers, Circuit Citynot to denigrate these complaints. These posters felt they had valid issues, but they turned into endless-loop arguments that served no purpose EXCEPT while we are doing that, we are not paying attention to WHAT? I have ideas on this, too, but am in a situation right now that is cutting seriously into my research time and would appreciate help here.

I hope that some of you find these resources to be helpful and will help out with this issue. I am entirely angry over this whole thing and will not rest until this person goes away for good, preferably to jail! Again, I do not know what the ED is doing with this: I wonder if his inbox was spam-filled and if he was having bugs as well. While I am assuming that he is doing his own work on this, he might appreciate a bit of help. Tom, Lori, Jacqueline and Jasperthere are many of us, only one of the ED.

Believe it or not, there is more to this story to come. I am in a bind for time and want to get things going, so I will save it for later.

Shawangunk if I were you, I would be packing my bags and doing that Gypsy moving around thing. You have a lot of nerve calling me a site-stalker, scumbag. We are not stupid here and we are coming for YOU!
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#73 Consumer Comment

They have more important things to do

AUTHOR: Jasper - (U.S.A.)

Jacqueline, the volunteer officers of wiredcops.com have more pressing issues to deal wiht. What crime has been committed here? Fraud? Stalking? Maybe you should take a look at their website before spewing off with what you're going to do. While I don't agree with everything the person in question says, they do bring up some valid points at times. I've even rebutted some of the things Shaw has said, and have not been cyber attacked. And no, I am not an alias of Shaw. Why not do what Robin of Waldroff Arkansas is doing, IGNORE those you don't agree with. There are people here, not the ones in question, who file a complaint, then when someone doesn't agree with their view, they blast them. Everyone needs to lighten up, read these, heed some of the warnings. I've helped several people out by introducing them to this site, but take it all with a grain of salt. Thanks for your time.
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#74 Consumer Suggestion

www.wiredcops.org

AUTHOR: Jacqueline - (U.S.A.)

One way or another this nonsense has to stop. I'm reporting all activity to www.wiredcops.org. They work in tandem with law enforcement AROUND THE WORLD. The Editor may not allow this to be posted, but my intentions are clear.

I am in no way holding the Editor accountable, and he may himself be a victim to the circumstances, but the law will be brought into this for protection of the general and global public, and consumers seeking protection not harassement.

This is only the beginning.
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#75 Consumer Comment

Stop huffing paint, Shawangunk.

AUTHOR: B - (U.S.A.)

You think you are so slick with names like "wettsy", "shawangunk" and "pegleg". Oh, my GOD, we must be too stupid to realize THAT'S THE SAME person!! Wow! (sic) Grow up.

Stop proving how unintelligent you are. I wish people like you were banned by ISP address. It'd be a nice dream.

I wonder what it's like to go around in life with that *dazed* feeling all the time. You know what that feeling is, Shawangunk? It's the lack of oxygen making it to your brain...
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AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

Nice name.
It seems that losers like Shawangunk, Anthony, PegLeg and you are cut from the same mold.
Have a nice life.
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#77 Consumer Comment

Flabbergasted?

AUTHOR: Jacqueline - (U.S.A.)

First this is not addressed to the original author of this report, but to the person who submitted the rebuttal. The flabbergasted one, if this is a real flabbergasted person, because it could just be shawagoonk. It's hard to believe a real person would support this kind of mental/verbal/emotional abuse.

How are we supposed to take you seriously when you are flabbergasted? In addition, if you think the Shawangunk person speaks the truth...PROOVE IT! I realize you have no way of proving it. You also do not understand the purpose of this site.

When people submit a report here, they present a problem, where defining the solution is a work in progress. The material is not all inclusive, and cannot be determined as a lie or the truth, because these problems are inconclusive. If someone is in Court, it's a court case pending. They are here trying to determine the truth in the first place, yet you think your friend has special magic powers to determine the truth. You have issues if you support a verbally/emotionally abusive individual like Shawagonk or whatever his/her name is.

There is not one person here filing a report who has their head in the sand. If they had their head in the sand, they wouldn't be here IN THE FIRST PLACE.

You defend this sick abusive person, and INSULT EVERYONE AT THE ENTIRE SITE. We all have are heads in the sand? If you are a real person, you have a distorted outlook on the definition of the truth, and are an inadequate judge of character.

As for the original author, I cannot thank you enough for warning everyone about this abusive web site stalker.
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#78 Consumer Comment

Flabbergasted?

AUTHOR: Jacqueline - (U.S.A.)

First this is not addressed to the original author of this report, but to the person who submitted the rebuttal. The flabbergasted one, if this is a real flabbergasted person, because it could just be shawagoonk. It's hard to believe a real person would support this kind of mental/verbal/emotional abuse.

How are we supposed to take you seriously when you are flabbergasted? In addition, if you think the Shawangunk person speaks the truth...PROOVE IT! I realize you have no way of proving it. You also do not understand the purpose of this site.

When people submit a report here, they present a problem, where defining the solution is a work in progress. The material is not all inclusive, and cannot be determined as a lie or the truth, because these problems are inconclusive. If someone is in Court, it's a court case pending. They are here trying to determine the truth in the first place, yet you think your friend has special magic powers to determine the truth. You have issues if you support a verbally/emotionally abusive individual like Shawagonk or whatever his/her name is.

There is not one person here filing a report who has their head in the sand. If they had their head in the sand, they wouldn't be here IN THE FIRST PLACE.

You defend this sick abusive person, and INSULT EVERYONE AT THE ENTIRE SITE. We all have are heads in the sand? If you are a real person, you have a distorted outlook on the definition of the truth, and are an inadequate judge of character.

As for the original author, I cannot thank you enough for warning everyone about this abusive web site stalker.
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#79 Consumer Suggestion

Flabbergasted ..

AUTHOR: Wettsy - (U.S.A.)

I have seen several responses and am not sure why there is such uproar. I happen to agree wholeheartedly with everything that Shawongunk has stated on this message board. She speaks truth! And you people need to get used to it rather than burrying your head in the sand forever.
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