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| Society of St. James 24 Clark St.
Boston, Massachusetts U.S.A. |
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Society of St. James World Wide Source Amrei-Source ripoff New York and Montreal NY & Montreal
*Consumer Suggestion: Why Don't Pavlos Angelatos, Ameri-source, World Wide Source, American Solutions and IT Data Direct Want You to Know Where They Are Located?
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Back in May of this year I was a new employee to the Society of St. James. I'm the bookkeeper. As I was in training I questioned a bill from World Wide Source in the amount of $399.95 to the person training me. She was not sure what it was for but said to pay it because they re threatening to send it to a collection agency.
Big mistake. the invoice was for index service for 2 years. 5 months later I receive another bill for $399.95. Knowing I just paid them, I called to ask why was I being billed again.
I spoke with a "Thomas" but all I got was double talk. I told him to cancel the service and his reply was "NO" I asked to see proof of a contract I was told the check sent in was the contract.
"Thomas" was rude and nasty to me,just about laughing in my face.We need to put these scamers where they belong, behind bars.
Diana
Boston, Massachusetts
Big mistake. the invoice was for index service for 2 years. 5 months later I receive another bill for $399.95. Knowing I just paid them, I called to ask why was I being billed again.
I spoke with a "Thomas" but all I got was double talk. I told him to cancel the service and his reply was "NO" I asked to see proof of a contract I was told the check sent in was the contract.
"Thomas" was rude and nasty to me,just about laughing in my face.We need to put these scamers where they belong, behind bars.
Diana
Boston, Massachusetts
This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 11/25/2002 10:27 AM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Society-of-St-James/Boston-Massachusetts-02109/Society-of-St-James-World-Wide-Source-Amrei-Source-ripoff-New-York-and-Montreal-NY-Mont-36192. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.
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Why Don't Pavlos Angelatos, Ameri-source, World Wide Source, American Solutions and IT Data Direct Want You to Know Where They Are Located?
AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Friday, March 21, 2003
Dear Diana,
Thomas might be rude and nasty, but it is his logic that is most reprehensible. If he has to insist that the check is the contract HE HAS NO CONTRACT! Legitimate directories provide a written contract and a "proof" of your listing "up front." They also provide clear contact information and (can you believe it?) they actually want you to know where they are located!
Has anyone considered the need to report these directory scammers for mail fraud. Get the form at your local post office. The billing practices of these companies clearly constitute mail fraud.
Contact your state Attorney General. Vermont shut down Pavlos Angelatos and World Wide Source, an operation similar to Liberty Online and Missourri is about to drop the hammer on them.
Mister or Ms. Telemarketer, sitting in their boiler room bunker in Montreal or Dartmouth, is either woefully ignorant of state laws--or hopes you are! Most states have "right to cancel" laws. If you are a telemarketer you are required by law to notify your contact of them in such transactions. Usually it is a 72 hour period or something similar. It goes without saying that the telemarketer would also have to clearly identify themselves and provide clear contact information to create an enforceable transaction.
Your state probably also has laws on the books similar to this Virginia statute:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
59.1-200. Prohibited practices.
A. The following fraudulent acts or practices committed by a supplier in connection with a consumer transaction are hereby declared unlawful:
1. Misrepresenting goods or services as those of another; (eg: The "Real Yellow Pages")
2. Misrepresenting the source, sponsorship, approval, or certification of goods or services;
3. Misrepresenting the affiliation, connection or association of the supplier, or of the goods or services, with another;
4. Misrepresenting geographic origin in connection with goods or services;
5. Misrepresenting that goods or services have certain quantities, characteristics, ingredients, uses, or benefits; (saying you distribute over a million books when your circulation is closer to 35000).
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
With a little knowledge you should be able to help stop this kind of operation in your area. Their only strength is in their telephone operation. They also have no respect for anti-harassment laws. Just keep hanging up on them. You can be nice about it since you possess the moral and legal high ground. They seem to take sadistic enjoyment out of reducing professional people to rage and verbal conflict with them on the telephone. Kill them with kindness.
Thomas might be rude and nasty, but it is his logic that is most reprehensible. If he has to insist that the check is the contract HE HAS NO CONTRACT! Legitimate directories provide a written contract and a "proof" of your listing "up front." They also provide clear contact information and (can you believe it?) they actually want you to know where they are located!
Has anyone considered the need to report these directory scammers for mail fraud. Get the form at your local post office. The billing practices of these companies clearly constitute mail fraud.
Contact your state Attorney General. Vermont shut down Pavlos Angelatos and World Wide Source, an operation similar to Liberty Online and Missourri is about to drop the hammer on them.
Mister or Ms. Telemarketer, sitting in their boiler room bunker in Montreal or Dartmouth, is either woefully ignorant of state laws--or hopes you are! Most states have "right to cancel" laws. If you are a telemarketer you are required by law to notify your contact of them in such transactions. Usually it is a 72 hour period or something similar. It goes without saying that the telemarketer would also have to clearly identify themselves and provide clear contact information to create an enforceable transaction.
Your state probably also has laws on the books similar to this Virginia statute:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
59.1-200. Prohibited practices.
A. The following fraudulent acts or practices committed by a supplier in connection with a consumer transaction are hereby declared unlawful:
1. Misrepresenting goods or services as those of another; (eg: The "Real Yellow Pages")
2. Misrepresenting the source, sponsorship, approval, or certification of goods or services;
3. Misrepresenting the affiliation, connection or association of the supplier, or of the goods or services, with another;
4. Misrepresenting geographic origin in connection with goods or services;
5. Misrepresenting that goods or services have certain quantities, characteristics, ingredients, uses, or benefits; (saying you distribute over a million books when your circulation is closer to 35000).
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
With a little knowledge you should be able to help stop this kind of operation in your area. Their only strength is in their telephone operation. They also have no respect for anti-harassment laws. Just keep hanging up on them. You can be nice about it since you possess the moral and legal high ground. They seem to take sadistic enjoyment out of reducing professional people to rage and verbal conflict with them on the telephone. Kill them with kindness.
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