• Report: #108917

Complaint Review: Stores Online - PMI Training

  • Submitted: Fri, September 17, 2004
  • Updated: Wed, March 09, 2016

  • Reported By:Central Point Oregon
Stores Online - PMI Training
754 E. Technology Ave Orem, Utah U.S.A.

Stores Online - PMI Training Stores Online and PMI Training are poison ivy big time and no amount of lotion will take away the sting Orem Utah

*Consumer Suggestion: Let's All Pursue The Fruadulent John Beck Mentoring Institute Together.

*Consumer Comment: Storesonline does not tell the whole story

*Consumer Suggestion: PMI, involved in many reports w/ Internet Treasure Chest, Auctions for Income, Iworks, John Beck, Frank Kerns, IDI, StoresOnline, Foreclosureworld

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On September 17, 2004, I received a letter from Brian Bills, a representative to Stores Online. His task was to smooth down my ruffled feathers and see if there is a way of having me withdraw my complaint and convince me to allow them to help me bring about my storefronts. What were they so upset over? This upset was for several reasons. First off I had placed a complaint on Rip-Off and sent photo copies of EVERY expenditure I had encored regarding the purchase of my six storefronts along with the extra training of PMI. First I sent these copies to the State Of Oregon Department of Justice, 1162 Court Street N.E., Salem, Oregon. 97301-4096. They in turn sent a copy to the Utah Division of Consumer Protection, Box 146704, Salt Lake City, UT 84114-6704. From what I had gathered the Utah division contacted them informing them there is an official complaint. This is when they quickly had Mr. Brian Bills on the phone with me. First off he insisted his company has the upmost in integrity, honesty and is welcomed in every state in the Union. The only complaints made against them are from those who had wanted a fortune without working the plan. He insisted if a person follows every step they have in their manual, and told to them on the Internet, they will make sales. I came back with how I had followed everything I had been told by my PMI instructor. But unless I could prove it in a hard copy he wasn't going to buy it. Every time I went to defend myself he would come back with how the only thing I was wanting is a full refund and if I didn't receive this I was going to black mail them, and their good name. He added how I had successfully placed three websites, and because of this they had fulfilled their part, and therefor I was not entitled to a full refund. Out of curiosity I asked him how much he did feel I was entitled to? He came back on how I deserved a 0' amount, and nothing more. After all I could not prove to him that I was entitled to anything more. If we want to get them to stop taking people for all they are worth, then we must take the extra steps in contacting the Division of Consumer Protection in the state we reside in. If they do not send it on to Utah, then take the extra efforts to do it yourself. IF Mr. Brian Bills contacts you be sure to take notes and post them on this site for others to read. For myself, I did all that was required of me by my instructor at PMI. To me he was the expert, and with the hefty price I was paying, it is his advice I was to be relying on and doing, and I did! Dorene Here are the notes I took during the conversation of Sept. 17, 2004 with Mr. Brian Bills. He is to be sending me, through e-mail, everything he had promised me over the phone if I would just work with them. After all, they do not feel any obligations whatsoever in refunding any part of my investment. And when it comes to what I had spent on advertising that's lost and they had nothing to do with it. He also made sure to tell me that when I accepted the check for $600 from PMI, that's between me and them. To him it looks like they had fulfilled their obligations. Brian Bills...... E-Mail bbills@storesonline.com (801) 227-0004 Ext 4583 Sept. 16, 2004......Willing to help out on placing the websites, how to promote and willing to help me with effective marketing, but nothing more. They are not guaranteeing anything. They will tell me what to do, but if nothing comes of it that's not their fault. He will furnish me a list of all the steps he felt I did not do. His web business is selling dress up clothing for kids. Costumes. Little Dress up shop. Com. So far he isn't spending anything for click' and has sold three dresses, which he was surprised in being he hasn't advertised. He has only followed their directions of links' to other sites. He feels this is WHY I didn't do well with my sites. www.littledressupshop.com Yet if you look it up on the Internet it's not with any search engines. You have to go through and type in littledressupshop.com in the normal search...then you might find it. Next is a website he wants me to go to so I can read all kinds of wonderful testimonials regarding Stores Online. These ought to be good. I wonder how much they were paid? www.imergentinc.com This is the cooperate website. Look for the right hand side will show what the customers are saying about Stores Online. They will give testimonials and links to go to their website. Bills is telling me how grateful these people are for Stores Online and PMI, how if it were not for them they could not have succeeded. (Sure) P.S. It's now closing time in Utah, and Mr. Brian Bills never did send me the e-mail he had premised. But does that surprise anyone? When PMI sold me their course they assured me if I couldn't make the monthly payment to let them know. They would happily check to cut me a check to pay that month's Visa payment. In fact even my instructor confirmed this to me. When the month came up and I didn't have the funds I let them know. Sure enough I received a check for the sum of $600. But there was also a NEW contract for me to sign stating if I accepted the check this canceled their existing contract with me and they no longer owed me anything, not even training. I called the man who sold me the contract telling him how I couldn't sign such a contract. He laughed and assured me that all I had to do is to write a short note at the end of the form saying how the acceptance of the check did NOT cancel out our contract. Once they received it they would promptly sign and return a copy to me. Well, I never received that one either. Stores Online and PMI Training are poison ivy big time, and no amount of lotion will take away the sting. Dorene Central Point, Oregon
U.S.A. Click here to read other Rip Off Reports on Storesonline

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 09/17/2004 02:52 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Stores-Online-PMI-Training/Orem-Utah-84097/Stores-Online-PMI-Training-Stores-Online-and-PMI-Training-are-poison-ivy-big-time-and-no-108917. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Consumer Suggestion

Let's All Pursue The Fruadulent John Beck Mentoring Institute Together.

AUTHOR: Reid - (U.S.A.)

Hey there Dorene and Everone else,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

PMI is a fraudulent operation, no if ands or buts about it, and NOT just my opinion. I have been duped by the fraudulent company named the John Beck Mentoring Institute, and received all my money back.

Why? Because I have proven that the services that have been agreed upon, have NOT been rendered. Telephone mentoring is a bunch of crap!! Legitimate businesses cannot and will not sell "secrets" over the telephone. LOL

Now I'm not sure if PMI is affiliated with John Beck, however, mentoring/coaching is a bunch of hogwash. There is no such thing!

There is no "secrets" to wealth and even if there were, believe me, it's not for sale and the success rate is beyond pathetic.

Think about this for a moment, why in the world would any one agree to promote a wealth building program, before accumulating wealth themselves?

These so called "coaches" are perhaps the dumbest mother f%ck&rs I have ever conversated with... and they're supposed to teach me how to become wealthy? LOL

The John Beck Mentoring Institute is a fraudulent company and there is nothing that anyone could say, that would change this fact. That is why I was able to easily roll them, in the credit card dispute and am willing to assist everyone else to do the same.

If nothing else, I would like to someday compile a book for consumers on "how to get your money back from scam artists".

Avoid purchasing moneymaking programs through any infomercial, magazines, Internet, etc, etc. The fact that these companies need to advertise in the first place, should be a dead givaway, that something is awefully wrong with their business and program.

Legitimate businesses don't sell moneymaking offers. Businesses that do sell moneymaking offers are only in the business of supposedely selling "information". F%ck!ing bull$h!t!!

Businesses that advertise and promote moneymaking opportunities are really only interested in having others advertise their business and opportunity as well. Make sense?

Businesses that advertise and promote moneymaking opportunities are not at liberty to disclose actual success vs failure statistics. Anyone that says otherwise is full of it.

Infomercials are proof of this. Why would any legitimate business feel the need to shoot a half an hour, to an hour long commercial with loads of fine print and UNPROVEN "success stories"?

Fine print is nothing but an attempt to hide pertinent information that should be disclosed to consumers. For example: actual earning potential, further investments, typical results, ect, etc.

If there was ever a true, legitimate and honest way for the average person to earn a decent living from their home, everyone would be ranting and raving about it, and that particular business and offer, would not have any unacknowledged and unresolved reports against them, as does the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute.

The reputation of the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute speaks for itself. The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute attempted to jack me for $6,400.00.

First by selling me on their fraudulent and non existant "mentoring" crap, rendering absolutely nothing of value in return, and fianally by desperately trying to extort my money, by threatening to sue me, had I ever decided to dispute the charges.

The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute uses deceptive and flat out fraudulent advertising to sell their worthless material. Their initial material is basically sold to compile lists of prospects to further jack.

Included with their fraudulent and useless materials is a welcome letter, instructing you to call a toll free number. DO NOT CALL THE NUMBER!

The telephone number is a trap to sell you on their fraudulent and non existant mentoring garbage. Here's where a salseperson will gather information on how much available credit you have.

The amount of available credit you have, will ultimately be the deciding factor on your investment. The fraudulent John Beck mentoring institute is only interested in your overall available line of credit.

That's why every scam victim is duped out of different amounts. The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute also uses tape recorded telephone agreements against you.


The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute will eventually attempt to use your tape recorded agreement, along with their "three day" right to cancel against you.

Their "three day" right to cancel is yet another thing that's full of $h!t, as they will give you the run around and in most cases, not answer their phones during those three days.

No need to panic however, if you've already enrolled in their fraudulent mentoring/coaching program, immediately phone your credit card's dispute department and place the transaction in dispute.

When the dispute form arrives, check the box that states "quality of service". It's your right as a consumer to dispute any fraudulent transactions, and that's exactly what the John Beck Mentoring Institute and their program are.

Make sure to post your experience on the Rip-Off Report and continue to update the information from time to time, as to keep everyone informed on the fraudulent company.

Contact the company and inform the management regarding your report. Make as many people aware of your report as possible, and let them know, that you have brought the incident into the public eye and to every ones attention and that you will continue to track and monitor the situation for as long as it takes, to resove matters to the absolute best of your satisfaction.


After all the trouble they've put you through, they owe you an apology, explanation, and a hell of a lot of money for all your precious time wasted, ongoing worries, unecessary mental anguish, misery and pain.

This company has attempted to jack me for $6,400.00, for what they feel is fair for their fraudulent program. I am now charging them $9.8 million for what I honestly believe one full year of my life is worth.

Never be afraid to quote what you feel your time is worth, for absolutely no one can determine this but yourself.

Anyone that may be interested, willing and able to assist me in recovering this money owed to me, in total or partial, will be entitled to part of the proceeds.

Until next time, take care Dorene and everyone else cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.
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Storesonline does not tell the whole story

AUTHOR: Shemonika - (U.S.A.)

Doreen, I understand what you are going through because I was told the same thing by Mr. Bills and Ms. Silva several times. They tell everbody the same thing. Storesonline has no intergrity to speak of because they are being investigated in seven states, a bad BBB rating, and Dateline covered them awhile back because of consumer complaints, and also a settlement was reached in California, Kentucky, Maine, and Washington State. They will only refund your money back if you consult an attorney, file complaints in your state and Utah, filing in California may help too. Storesonline is full of themselves by making customers feel inferior. The state of Illinois is doing their own investigation right now. I still say I want punitive damages because they ruined my credit, but it will be fixed in 30 days.
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PMI, involved in many reports w/ Internet Treasure Chest, Auctions for Income, Iworks, John Beck, Frank Kerns, IDI, StoresOnline, Foreclosureworld

AUTHOR: Doreen - (U.S.A.)

While PMI coaching handles & manages the coaching portion, who actually made the sale? Who's name is on your credit card statement? I've read reports from consumers that purchased E-books, these sales/coaching groups have been calling them also. Buyer Beware, be careful of back door phone solicitation if you've purchased any e-book or infomercial product.

In my situation, it was "The Summit Group" that made the sale hiding behind the name "Auctions for Income Success Team".

I think many reports target the front companies, the ones that are most visible, while the deceivers stay hidden and unaccountable.

I got 100% refund directly from the fullfillment company: IDI Internet Developement Inc because the sales group "The Summit Group" stonewalled, argued, & blamed proving that to them, the customer is never right.

pmicoaching.com shows they are involved in Real Estate = America's Note Network that has Unsatisfactoy BBB rating. One of their dba's is PMI, along with Dalbey Publishing, Dalby Publishing, Winning in the Cash Flow Business.

PMI left Kansas City, MO with no forwarding address but stated that this company is headquarted out of American Fork UT, which happens to be the city & state of The Summit Group, well at least the division that made the sale to me. Summits 800 number from IDI is in Maryland. PMI's Lindon UT address had unsatisfactory BBB rating and states that they had a strategic alliance with StoresOnline. Their
Kearney MO address is the same address as NMR, National Marketing Resources which was the coaching title given to me as my coaching provider. My coach was actually quite decent to me but had no power in providing refund, all that went back to the sales group "The Summit Group".
NMR & PMI show Steve Thorne as CEO or Principal.

I feel that "The Summit Group" is an umbrella name for many of the smaller companies they own or partner with. If you try to find BBB reports on the summit group, not found. But Professional Consulting Service, Professional Marketing Inc and other names all have unsatisfactory BBB reports. Couldn't find address for The Summit Group, but a search of their address turned up Summit Consulting, both show Colton Moody as CEO and has an unsatisfactory BBB rating.

They keep changing business names, moving but all complaints are similar.

StoresOnline, Orem UT, has judgement against them.
They were required to do several things: 3 day rescind, pay back consumers, provide consumers a list of all additional & optional services prior to finalizing sale. I think COSTS should be added here. The Summit group used 3 day rescind in their telephone solicitation, without the consumer benefit of listed services and costs prior to finalizing sale.

All of these companies know about this judgment and the requirements of the judgement. Yet, they continue to decieve consumers by incorporating 3 day rescind to TRAP consumers.

I feel these companies should be held accountable to the FTC requirements, lengthy description of what they are required to provide consumers. They certainly didn't provide this information to me prior to finalizing the sale. Can be found at:
http://www.data.bbb.org/denver2.asp which is America's Note Network BBB reliability report, toward the end under Educational Comments.

I filed a lengthy report, see: http://ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff109132.htm

Wishing everyone the best of luck in getting their refunds. While I did receive a refund I am interested in holding them accountable for stress and expenses.

Stay strong ! Good luck !
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