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  • Submitted: Sat, November 16, 2013
  • Updated: Thu, May 08, 2014

  • Reported By: Eve — Texas
Suburbanbullies.com
Portles, NM Portales , New Mexico USA

Suburbanbullies.com Suburban english bulldogs Con artist & not ethical trustworthy breeder Portales New Mexico

*Consumer Comment: Satisfied Customer

*Consumer Comment: Btw

*Consumer Comment: Scott is such liar

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Final Response

*Consumer Comment: Common sense

*Consumer Comment: VERY Satisfied owner of a Suburban Bully

*Consumer Comment: Can you believe this!,,

*Consumer Comment: Positive Experience

*Consumer Comment: True alligations

*Consumer Comment: My Experience was Bad

*Consumer Comment: Honest Liar

*Consumer Comment: Suburbanbullies.com is scam liar

*Consumer Comment: My experience with Suburban Bullies and Scott

*Consumer Comment: Scammer and liar

*Consumer Comment: Scott is liar

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Response to false allegations...

*Consumer Comment: Beware of suburban bullies.com

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These people are scammer all have same dogs on all websites. My dog came with round worms, no akc papers, no proof a vaccines and I'm being harassed for letting you buyers know my expiiernce and opinion.i have proof for people wanting see. My dog also had other issues and no social skills. She pees on herself and won't walk use restroom I have carry her. She is 4 months old i didn't get her at 8 wks. She should be socialized by that age. You can tell these people are not eithcial breeders . And way they handled the situation wow. They all have same dogs I paid one and another shipped and signed off so you don't know how dog is with or coming from. Don't get ripped off. You pay these prices you should come with healthy social dog. These all have same dog suburbanbullies.com, sumobulldogs.com, and icon bulldogs.

they have dog after dog suggesting its a puppy mill or broker. Scott lathrop lied and deceived me. [continued below]....

..... I paid 2,100 for bulldog that had round worms and etc and he claims all dogs have worms which not true of treated and parents. He didn't care fact that I had no shot record no akc papers. And top if off she pees on herself of fear and he never admitted he was wrong and should told me he didn't have papers or I would never bought her. He never assured me if she didn't become social he would send me another dog or refund me. Never he just out for money and can careless. 


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#1 Consumer Comment

Satisfied Customer

AUTHOR: Bobby C. - ()

I just recently bought a puppy from Scott and had a great experience. Me personally, I would never buy a puppy from anyone else. The quality is absolutely second to none. I can't speak on the issues or concerns Eve has stated but what I can say is that they do not seem to be consistent of my personal experience. I met Scott in person and he seemed to be a stand up and honest guy. He was very knowledgeable and very thourough. He was also great at communicating with me and my wife through out the whole process and we just love our new little boy Roman to death. He gave me the AKC papers at time of purchase, along with the shot records. No, the shot records weren't from a vet but they are also not required to be.  We are novice breeders and it's my understanding most breeders administer there own shots. I know I do, you're talking $400-$500 in savings per puppy. It dosent matter that these dogs cost $2000 and up, they are very expensive to breed. Again, I would highly recommend this breeder. Great dogs, great communication/service and a great family breeder. Eve, I'm sorry about your puppy and I hope everything works out for you guys. 

Bobby

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#2 Consumer Comment

Btw

AUTHOR: William - ()

The dog didn't come with round worm larvae if you read vet letter from vet she came with round worms, and in vet letter later diagnosed with demodex mange. And you are liar you never called me, and you claim I yelled but later in your words state I never returned calls. How did I yell at you of you never called and how did I yell at you if I never returned calls. Chad called me not you and I didn't buy dog from him. I bought from you.  I didn't call Chad back and return his calls because in message he said he come pick up our dog and refund us. I didn't want him or you have alwayes been rude from beginning when stating my concerns to come my home and take my dog we have been taking care of for months. The lawyer is one who told me I could keep dog with refund. I would be satisfied with that but as reading the letter from lawyer I had to lie and I didn't want or feel comfortable with that. also truth be known you didn't hire lawyer for a middle man keep peace. I have voicemail with threat that if I don't take money that you guys would use it to sue me so why would I return your calls with threat. . So i didn't feel comfortable with threat, and I do have voicemail since you claim everything I say is lie. Also like I said you didn't call it was chad from sumobulldogs the man who shipped dog. i find it funny all claims and lies you give these readers about yourself. The one where I am rude that's you guys thats why I didn't return your calls with threats. I mean come on...and even with vet letters you say you can't reach vet blah blah blah. 

chad on voicemail threaten me if I don't respond will have lawyer hired for slandering your name. As the lawyer called and investigated. He couldn't do that because I didn't lie and showed vet letters that I'm sure he called and verified. So from there had no choice but to make arrangements, which was lie and put say I'm this person and that person and say it was my fault of this and that , delete post and than you get refund. I decided to not take it because it's all lie and not right thing. Not only dI'd you give me dog with health issues and etc but now you want keep adding insulted by saying I lied instead of you admitting you were wrong and dog came with health issues. And you still are trying to make light of it saying she had round worm larvae no she didn't have just round worm eggs she had round worms, and than you keep with lies trying claim or not admitting she has Mange by stating out nowhere now she has it and vet letter you and lawyer got is not true because you haven't been able talk to vet. Plz it's truth and you know it! I mean laWyler knows its truth he verified vet letter. Call everyone

 

aztec vet hospital offoce manger is Mary and my dog is Emma Rangel 254-699-6725

I advised anyone getting dog from him take dog tO vet as so as getting them. Make sure and if doesn't happen you , good I'm not made I wouldn't want anyone go through what I did. I have little ones always having hands in mouth I wouldn't want child catch parasite because this man didn't do right thing. And I wouldn't someone have dog with mange where the animal is in pain and constant visits to vet and medication. 

Yes you offered refund through lawyer after after after....you try sue me and saw that you couldn't . after!!!! From beginning you should of refunded me and make customer happy like you claim. If I had never posted anything about your business and it effecting you you would never called to refund me because you don't care, you would never hired lawyer to try and get me stop posting.

all this!!!! And wanted me lie and insult me more. Than you wanted offer refund to delete and lie on post. So it's like you punch me in stomach by taking my money and than punch me again by trying sue me and than offer money keep my mouth shut. 

Cant you just admit truth? Just it was mistake I want fix it? Truth is not that you couldn't satisfy me its way you did all this shady handling and only reason it's here is because I spoke up. And most would take money. But I was raised tell truth and don't stay hush for money of it involves wrong. This was all wrong and lies that you are stating to this interested buyers. All lies!!!! So no I won't accept your money unless was truth. Truth is my dog came with health issues serious health issues and because iof that you are refunding me. THan I could of posted I happy with this I accept refund . I wish others buyers nothing but best I just want truth out so this doesn't happen to others and there's record so if it does happen to others it can be known .

TRUTH ".........DOG CAME WITH ROUND WORMS AND DEMODEX MANGE ,NO RPOOF VACCINES FROM VET , NO AKC PAPERS, I POSTED ABOUT MY EXPERIENCES, CHAD CALLED BECAUSE IT WAS AFFECTING BUSINESS, CHAD CALLED FOR REFUND BUT WANTED OUR DOG, IN MESSAGE WAS THREAT IF I DIDNT CALL OR TAKE MONEY YOU HIRE LAWYER AND GET ME FOR SLANDERING YOUR NAME,  COULDNT GET ME FOR SLANDER BECAUSE VET LETTER AND VET PROOF, YOU GUYS WANTED REFUND ME BUT FOR ME DELETE POST AND IF I COULDNT THAN I HAD LIE. THATS TRUTH.....STOP LYING

YOU MADE MISTAKE SCOTT AND YOU COULD HANDLED THIS RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING AND YOU CANT STOP YOU JUST CONTINUE ....LYING..YOU WIPE YOUR HANDS CLEAN BECAUSE LYING IS ALL BUT NORMAL TO YOU. 

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#3 Consumer Comment

Scott is such liar

AUTHOR: William - ()

This is Evelyn and William. We both ad couple married purchased the dog. There's no aka of Anthony or etc that you claimed. you just don't want bad name for yourself because you want your money still come in. If others come forward that's on them don't try out me in mix of it so you can be seen as great bulldog lover that you aren't. You are strictly in your business for money. Plz stop lying to others!! it's not common for dogs to have round worms unless mom has it or your soil. I have owned dogs on past and have spoken to trustworthy breeders and they say it's not uncommon! ONLY UNSANATERY CONDITIONS IS IT COMMON IN, AND IF NOT DEWORMING THEM, AND WITH ALL LIES HE SAID I DONT BELIEVE HE EVen did that.  it wasn't for that reason we wanted refund!!!! It's the red flags i saw she came with that and no akc papers and no proof of vaccines!,,,,,, again I say it. OVER AND OVER AND OVER. I WANTED REFUND BECAUSE OF ROUND WORMS AND NO REAL PROOF OF VACCINES TO ME WAS RED FLAGS I WENT WITH MY GUT AND I WAS RIGHT BECAUSE LATER DIAGONOSED BY VET WITH MANGE. DOESNT GET WORSE THAN THAT!!! Why can't you take dog to vet and get shot records with crazy price you charge!,,, NO ONE SHOULD BE PAYING YOU THOUSAND FOR DOG WITH PARASITES, DOG WITH NO PROOF OF VACCINES!!!! And with MANGE!!!! He also claims he called my vet, if he has my vet won't call for personal disputes. His office mananger will answer questions . She always answers!  

PLZ CALL MY VET Aztec Vet at 254-699-6725 ask for MARY SHE IS OFFICE MANAGER I JUST GAVE OK TO GIVE OUT PERSONAL INFORMATION ABOUT OUR BULLDOG SO YOU CAN CALL AND ASK. EMMA RANGEL IS HER NAME. they  WILL TELL YOU she has MANGE AND WHEN I GOT HER HAD ROUND WORMS. SCOTT IS LIAR IVE TOLD HIM ASK FOR OFFICE MANAGER SHE HANDLES THAT AND HE ALWAYS CALLS WHEN THEY ARE CLOSED, I'm assuming because I've asked if he has called and they have said no only after hours on voicemail calling to speak to vet but I told hi ask for officer manager. vet won't call for personal disputes. They jut state facts and that's it. every time I call someone always answers!,,, call I'm not liar!!!! 

Another thing yes yes he has positive feedback on Facebook and YouTube and Twitter he controls what is said. He never let me post my truth he would delete it it's controlled. Also apaprently the lawyer called and verified my vet letters that you can't do anything to me. Why? Because there are no lies!!!!

first you never called to refund me. So plz stop lying the person who called was Chad McCarthy from sumobulldogs.com but you claimed the dog didn't come from him but he shipped dog and lives in another state from you? Why would I let him come to my home? Why would I let him take her? Why so he can dispose of her or breed her? no!!!!!! You are liar!!!! Biggest I know. You never called scott. Why would I give him to Chad I didn't buy dog from Chad. 

Plus when I placed all my concernes you didn't care you had my money. You told me clearly you would not refund me. you dismissed me and dog. You had chad call me or no however went down months too late and only because I placed post so people can read and because it affected your money!!!!! If affected you so much you had nerve to try hire a lawyer. You just kept on. You hired lawyer for me delete all my post. No I won't until you can admit truth and more you lie on her I will tell truth. 

I could of took refund if you had said truth. But I rather go withi my pride than lie. You could of told me and everyone on here, things happen people make mistakes her dog came with health issues., (because mange is no easy matter. )And because if this I'm refund her. No you didn't. you offered lawyer refund but in order I had to lie. Scott is liar and can't come off his pedestal to admit he is responsible for my dog coming with round worms and demodex mange. And no proof vaccines.

no instead he didn't just make money but still try throw me under bus by lying. He knows vet letters and true and so does lawyer. Again people call my vet. if he really dewormed dog she wouldn't have came with round worms. It took more than one treatment clear and took month and we had to do more than $5 treatment for it finally work! We had get the real deworming meds from vet and her mange, we still have been treating and she still has it. That was irresponsible breeding on his part. The parent had mange in order for our to have it. 

I have left my email others can contact me I can send all documents of proof of my alligations. Evesbeautysecret at gmail dot com

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#4 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Final Response

AUTHOR: Scott L. - ()

This is Scott and I am the owner of the company in this complaint. This is the final time I am going to address this. 

Firstly, I'm not sure who I'm responding to. Whether it is Eve, William, or any one of the other fictitous names Eve and William have created (Steve, Blake, Anthony) in their attempt to slander our company. With over 10 years of breeding I've dealt with some wonderful people, most of whom I still keep in contact with to this day and who have purchased multiple puppies from me or graciously sent other customers my way. I've always known that some day I would run into a customer that's impossible to deal with and that you can never please, no matter what you do. That is the case here.

I have been nothing but honest in stating that yes, the vet did indicate in a letter that after an initial fecal sample examination, he discovered round worm larvae in the sample. Once again, I stand by my initial response when I state that this is something very common in puppies and any vet will tell you this. We treat all of our puppies regularly for worms (every 2 wks). The reason you have to treat puppies regularly for worms is because worms reoccur very commonly in puppies. Being blunt, this is due to the fact that puppies lick and eat poop, each other, the floor, and everything else within their reach. Once they arrive in their new homes puppies should be dewormed monthly for atleast 6 months. This is just one of the responsibilities that come along with owning a puppy.

That being said, when Eve contacted me and said her puppy had worms and asked for a full refund, of course I declined. I politely educated her and informed her that she would need to deworm her puppy and that it is very inexpensive and would cost about $5 to do so. I offered to pay for this. That night she walked away happy and satisfied. In the meantime, she listed her puppy for sale on craigslist and It wasn't until two days later that she called me screaming into the phone and cursing at me and demanding a full refund. Again, I respectfully informed her that I would not give her a refund due to common roundworms. The very next day is when she started slandering our Business all over the internet. Over 30 complaints in total. 

3 months later and now suddenly her puppy has mange. 4 months after purchasing the puppy from me she finally provided a vet letter indicating this and still to this day I have been unable to speak to her vet to confirm this. I have called countless times and left countless voicemails that have never been returned. Still, we reached out to Eve and William and left multiple voicemails offering to pay vet bills, exchange the puppy, provide a full refund and any other resolution you can think of. We got no response. So, going above and beyond to try to please these customers, I personally hired an attorney who could work as a 3rd party to mediate since she could not communicate to me without screaming into the phone and did not return phone calls. Any attempts my attorney made to "settle" were simply additional attempts to resove this issue peacefully. But, This couple is so determined to be right that any type of resolution was unsatisfactory to them. Not a full refund and return, not a full refund and offer to keep the puppy, not a new puppy or paying vet bills. Nothing!

Due to this, I am stating my final case and moving forward. If you are a potential customer I simply ask you to consider this. In 10 years, I have this one complaint from Eve (AKA William, Steve, Anthony, Blake). While several of my customers have gone out of their way to come here and and defend me by sharing their experiences with me. My customers are so amazingly supportive because I genuinely go out of my way, on every puppy I re-home, to please my customers. So, rather than allow Eve and William to extort me, I am going to wash my hands clean and accept the fact that in the 10 years it took me to build a stellar reputation, two knuckle heads can come along and try to ruin it in 5 minutes. Rather than put anymore energy into this dispute I am going to let me customers speak for themselves regarding their experiences with me. Also, I would urge anyone reading this to please view the testimonials on my website, follow me on Facebook, You Tube and all other social networks and see for yourself. For this one negative complaint, I have 100 customers who will tell you how amazing their experiences have been with me. I literally have hundreds of positive testimonials about me on my website and facebook and we have almost 12,000 loyal followers. Plus, over 10 million you tube views. None of which would be possible if I was the type of breeder that Eve and William are describing. Maybe, just maybe, they are the con artists here.

Respectfully,

Scott L. 

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#5 Consumer Comment

Common sense

AUTHOR: William - ()

This is not about a bulldog not being house trained. This is about my dog coming with parasites and mange that came from mother bulldog. Not from our home. And try being nice? What are you talking about? You didn't go through  this  so it's easy for you be happy go lucky. I was nice he ignored my concerns and made it clear he would not refund me. And than you want me be nice at this poinT? Want me be nice about getting a dog with all kinds issues that I spent thousands on? No I'm sure others wouldn't either. me and Scott have dealt with lawyers because some who he felt he had a case.

But after seeing my vet letter and what I was saying is truth. They want settle with me. I haven't decided yet. Why not because came from his heart but because it's hurting his business. He didn't care until the money he had coming in was affected. I have no reason lie. I just wanted buy healthy dog and enjoy them. Our dog after months of treatment still has mange. So plz don't come writing I'm lying or this because of puppy come house trained.

i just think crazy how they tried shut me up with lawyer when they were at fault and now try buy me take my comments off. I really have think about this. Because it be easy for me take money, but I post this and haven't taken money so others don't have go through this. Most after spending thousands on dog don't even take them to vet. And unaware their dog is has parasites. I'm happy yours was great. But don't talk about me when you know nothing of or have vet bills to prove. Talk about just your expirence  not mine if you have no idea! 

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#6 Consumer Comment

VERY Satisfied owner of a Suburban Bully

AUTHOR: Nikki - ()

VERY Satisfied owner of a Suburban Bully

 

This website was brought to my attention by my girlfriend  and her husband who I referred to Scott for a puppy. I felt the need to tell my experience. I bought a puppy from Scott at Suburban Bullies last year. I have had no problems with my puppy. I don’t know what kinds of puppies are born house-trained, but from my experiences with dogs, you have to train them – period. And especially with English Bulldog puppies who still have little tiny bladders and need to go more often.

Overall, my puppy (Peanut Butter is her name) is perfect. She’s happy, healthy and my family looooves her. I’m not going to say that just because I didn’t have a problem, that they don’t happen. What I’m saying is that Scott has re-homed many puppies and I would imagine sometimes things happen. Even human babies are born with issues. Problems that are out of his control do not make him a bad breeder. He is an honest guy and very loving and caring when it comes to his dogs. This is my first English Bulldog, so I had LOTS of questions. And never once was he rude, impolite, dishonest or anything else that would lead me to believe that he was trying to get over on me. I plan on getting another puppy this year from him as well.

So just because you had a less than perfect experience, don’t go on the internet blasting people out (under several different usernames at that). Have common sense, be respectful and understanding. Somehow people in this world have forgotten how easy it is to be nice and, in turn, how that niceness will come back to you. And use spell-check for God’s sake. Or grammar check…or something. I personally can’t take anybody seriously who can’t put together a sentence properly. Oh, and I attached a pic of me and my Peanut Butter J.

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#7 Consumer Comment

Can you believe this!,,

AUTHOR: Eve - ()

People so you know! I would worry about these breeders!!! the nerve of them!,, to be wrong and try to scare me off with lawyers!,,, I'm here to stand for you guys. They have tried everything so I can say my truth. I find it funny that never before til now that I'm speaking up they are all of sudden good reports. Again I'm here to say all truth with proof to back it up. My email is Steveblake96 at yahoo dot com. I can email you my documents well thes breeders tried to get lawyer to s**t me up. maybe they thought they scare me off. But lawyer wanted me to remove my post I told the lawyer I can not because everything I'm saying I have proof of. I had to send my vet letters! I'm not scared of the lawyers because I have docame ts to back up my allegations, in court they got by black and white documents! Which I clearly have. But the nerve of these two breeders to be wrong and still try to do this just shows their character. here is what are facts!!,,

my dog came with round worms, took month to clear up when you buy dog for these crazy prices he is asking you want dog not infested with parasites! And the nerve this man actually wanted more than what we paid. Here is another fact my dog had no akc papers upon arrival he never communicated she would not come with akc papers! I found out not by phone call not by a text or email but hand written letter when she arrived. But at time I wanted buy here he always text called and emailed. Anyhow I found out when she arrived so of course I was concerned and since she had no akc papers, round worms! They were red flags for me. So I wanted my money back he rejected. Thank god I took her to vet within and hour of getting her because I have small children could be exposed to the parasites. The dog had no vaccines just word of mouth in hand written letter claiming they gave her vaccines.

So you mean tell me with all read flags I'm suppose to trust that? You mean with 3,000 or more you are asking you can't take them to actually vet for vaccines. With military base you can not show hand written vaccine letter you show that letter you have to pay for ALL vaccines again. You know why because it's not legit! The akc papers came in mail a month later. But with all issues she has who cares about akc papers now. I just had gut feeling with all red flags and my gut was right.  Scott says my reports are false. Where is this false if I have vet letters, vet bills .My gut feeling wanted a refund For reason. now our dog has demodex mange. A mange that is passed to offsring meaning genetics one of the parents had it. Why would you breed a dog that has this to pass it to off springs you are selling.

We have spent so much money at vet. She is regular every wk to every other wk there. we wanted have a pet and option of breeding to give her pups to our family who can't afford a English bulldog. We can no longer do that. I wouldn't want pass that headache to anyone. They would be at vet always like we are draining their pockets. I had write again because my new update is the nerve of this man to get lawyer to have me remove my post and shut me up. The nerve I tell who would want deal with breeder like this? How low can you go? Whe you wrong adMIT it don't deny it and try higher a lawyer do the right thing call me refund me pay my bills SoMETHINg!!, Scott has not called me. Not once. Chad mcarhty from sumobullodgs.com called me left voicemails he would refund me but not out guilt not our remorse but because I'm affecting his business from what he left on voicemail. They didnt care back than couple months too late because she has already been with use. We have invested so much on her at vet and to where she is today. He offered drive here I wouldn't trust a man who claims he has no connection with Scott to come to my home and just take the dog I have no idea what they would do with her. neither of them cared before for me as real customer only now that it hurts their pockets but what about my pockets. Selfish people to me.

A good breeder who cares about his consumers I believe would never have let it get this far. Most won't speak up or waste timeso they dismissed me . scott and Chad claim they have no relation in sale but Chad was first owner who transferred ownership to Scott and than to me the buyer. It's all confusing. But if they aren't in business together than why were they trying sue me together? Which that's what they tried. It be apart. So clearly they are in business togEther. But I wanted everyone and will continue if anything new arises . I'm just in shock that this nightmare dealing with them has not ended. Also you have to do own research on this one. But my dog did not come on airline or delivered to my door. My dog was delivered from pet ex and number if you look it up they sale it's pet store, that's sale dogs tons of breeds. When I looked it up they were reports of sick dogs coming from there. You have to read where dogs that come from let's stores come from. Look this up where the health certificate was signed from bill oxford address 121 n. Royhill blvd goodman, MO 64843 you will find out on your own. This also mind blowing to me. Scott is in New Mexico so why was Chad shipping dog from AR Arizona. When Scott told me my dog was in his place. Just so confusing and questionable to me all my red flags I knew no better. Hopefully you don't go through thiS. Makes me sick to my stomach all drama and circle I've had look into myself. If you have bad expiiernce let others know so this doesn't happen anymore. 

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#8 Consumer Comment

Positive Experience

AUTHOR: Josh - ()

Hi, My name is Josh and I felt the need to share my experience after recently purchasing a dog from Scott. I found Scotts company using a google search and upon viewing his website I was thoroughly impressed by his dogs. Not wanting to miss out, I quickly placed a deposit on my boy and was thrilled to pick him up in a few weeks when he would be ready to go. After placing my deposit, I began searching for more information on Bulldogs when I stumbled upon this complaint. After reading the complaint, my heart sank... I quickly contacted Scott and called him out on what I thought at the time was a scam (I feel horrible now). I thought I was out $500. Well let me tell you, my experience was the complete opposite of the other customer who posted a complaint. Now, I can't comment on their experience but what I can tell you is that from day 1, Scott was quick to respond, went out of his way to make me feel comfortable, sent updated pictures upon request and the list goes on and on. When I called Scott out, he quickly took and sent me video of my puppy at 5 weeks old in his possession. Well, that eased my mind a bit but I still had worries in the back of my head that I couldn't get past. I spent the next 3 weeks stressed and worried about whether I was actually going to get my dog or get scammed. Ugh, it was a horrible feeling. I live about 5 hrs from Scott, so when my puppy finally turned 8 wks. old I made the drive to Portales to pick my puppy up in person. Scott invited me in, showed me other puppies, introduced me to his family and sweet children, etc. His facilities were clean and oh my gosh the Dad to my boy is a complete head turner. Scott was without a doubt a stand up and honest guy. His family is adorable and his puppies are too. Beyond that, my dad is a vet here in New Mexico and when I brought Axl to him, he could not stop raving about how cute he was and how he could tell he was well breed and healthy. He said that he breathes really good for an English Bulldog and is one of the best he's ever saw. Scott, if you're reading this I want you to know that you're doing a great job with this breed and we are absolutely thrilled with our boy. If you came here like me and your heart sank when you read the complaints, I'm here to tell you, don't waste your time worrying. My experience was amazing and I would never buy a Bulldog from anyone else. Remember that in business you can't please everyone. To the complaining customer, you may have actually had a bad experience, I don't know, but posting the same complaints over and over and over is doing a disservice to people like me who want to hear fair and honest reviews. That's just not right. Again, Scott...Thank you, Thank you, Thank you and I will be back to buy my girl from you soon. -Josh

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#9 Consumer Comment

True alligations

AUTHOR: William - ()

Scott says my reports are false. Where is this false if I have vet letters, vet bills and vet referral for I tested buyers. My dog came with worms, true fact, my dog did not come with vaccines, I have hand writte. Letter from him with vaccines he claims he gave her. Hand written? Come on anyone can do that shows no proof. i do my dogs shots and I show some kinda proof on her shot record by saving the parvo sticker from bottle . He couldn't even do that! On same letter he also wrote he couldn't find akc papers he will mail them. So she didn't get akc papers sent to me. Because all these red flags I went straight to vet the same day of getting her. These red flags concerned me. She came up with round worms and other issues. he claims I wanted refund because of worms not true. i wanted my money back becaus of red flags I saw first day of getting her. Peeing on herself, worms, no proof of vaccines, and no akc papers. I was nervous worried. When placing my concerns he dismissed me and to me just didn't care. when he was so I don't care attitude is when I told him I will let others know about my expieremce . Which is only truth. He said he didn't care.

So here we are today. And with ALL my RED flags on forts day NOW sha has been diagnosed with demodex mange! This is why I was worried this is why I wanted my money back back than because all red flags because now it's more issues. I realize dogs may come with issues but ALL these could be avoided with responsible breeder. She could came to me with no worms, since he says only $3 to treat, she could came with real legit vaccines from vet since it's only $14-30 a shot, (not hand written letter from himself that not proof to me just his word which clearly not worth anything) akc papers they finally came in mail two months later I still haven't checked if they are legit and not false made. Anyhow she also could came with no demodex mange if he was responsible breeders and didn't breed the parents who showed or have to have mange because that's how it is passed through parents, it not contagious so she didn't get it here, it's passed through parents. Just more to deal with that could been avoided from responsbile breeder who out to breed healthy puppies not just for money.

Also want respond where he claims the BBB closed case because I gave false reports no that's not what happened. if it's small business like his you can try it yourself if he disagrees with me after couple of tries they close case because we can't come to an agreement. That's end of it. He not big company they can't force him. So it's not because it's false because clearly its not again I have vet letters and bills to prove that it's just simple rejection on his part to not agree and it's closed. That simple. Also he is doing great job with you tube videos his Facebook the website that how I was impressed with him. But only when you expieremce it yourself is when you realize none of it matters. That happened to me. his Facebook is controlled so yes you see good comments because bad ones he deletes. Like he did mine. Wearing signs for buyers is these breeders who always always have dog for sale. Which he does all time available for you to buy. Now he has another breed. French bulldogs. Sometime these people are not actual breeders but brokers. Plz look them up. They buy a litter and sale them meaning they don't breed them. Too much detail to write but plz look it up educate yourselves on what's really going on. It's happening a lot with works of puppy mill.

If you got one that didn't come with worms or mange. I'm truely happy for you. I hate for your children or yourselves to be exposed to parasites. Im glad I took mine to vet or easliy my four kids could got it. But took month before completely worm free. She couldn't be free on our yard  til cleared up. You know kids always have their hands in their mouths. And aftEr cleared up and not being able be free in yard when we were done and cleared than was another issue. Now mange. Anyhow I didn't want this to happen to us and I didn't want problems for or from Scott. I placed my concerns and no one wants feel they got cheated off thousands of dollars. Crazy thing is our dog was listed for 3,000 and I see some on his site for more. Can you imagine pain and loss you would feel if you came up with my issues. Just be careful. Who doesn't want cute puppy? Go to reputable breeder and be patient and wait for them have on available. Ask for genetic testing.

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#10 Consumer Comment

My Experience was Bad

AUTHOR: Anthony - ()

I bought dog from Scott Lathrop as well. I never contacted him about my issues because I knew I would not get refund. His health guarantee didn't cover issues my dog had I didn't know that because we never discussed it I later saw on his website. I took my lose. I came across this and wanted others to know my experience also so others wouldn't have of through it. I would never get dog from him or refer anyone to him. My dog came with parasites and at age of 6 months old he had hair loss so took him to vet. They did some scrapping of skin and he had Demodectic Mange. My dog went through treatments, injections and none of it worked. It got so bad we had to put him to sleep. I took huge lose and my heart broken. All for bad breeding. I educated myself and found that it's passed through off springs it's genetic and breeder shouldn't breed dogs that have this mange or some pups will get it too. Doing more research because of anger I felt I also noticed all these websites carry and sale same dogs? How is that possible if he told me the dog lived in his home? Red flags to me. Here is websites and numbers of what I found out. It's up to you be smart and do research. He also has Facebook, you tube and twitter but any negative writings he can control and delete. So buyers won't know much. It's good I came across this website and the complaint I seen.

What I also noticed suburbanbullies.com, sumobullodgs.com, iconbulldogs.com, imported bulldogs tel:956-648-6699 look their number up same dogs and puppies. All these dogs are also on puppy find through these different sellers selling same dog.

An import broker will always have a puppy available, because if they don't have one currently 'in stock', they are sure to have a contact overseas who can get them one almost immediately. Be prepared to wait for a quality puppy, whether from a North American or a European breeder. Be wary of anyone who claims they 'always' have dogs available. Ask questions, go with your gut.

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#11 Consumer Comment

Honest Liar

AUTHOR: William - ()

Scott from suburban bullies is a liar and just wants money. He claims they are living with normal health issues no not true. And if he thinks so why is he breeding dogs with mange. My vet do agonies her with demodex mange. It's passed through offerings so this means he knew his dog or breeding programs had it. She has be in pain and so do we. His refernce he gave me was his wife and friend later I found out because picture she sent me our his profile pic from his you tibe.

He uses his BBB as good way to con you. The BBB can't force him to give refund . All he has to do is decline my claims and it's vase closed. You are crap out luck. Also his you tub his twitter his Facebook he can control what you see he can delete comments trust me because he does it when I keep posting for people know my expieremce. He claims that he told me cost $3 for deworming that's not issue I can afford that what's an issue is dog shouldn't come with worms if you are teating your dogs.

I have never ever got a pup for anyone and ever had them come with worms. It's pain to deal with and very contiguous. Anyhow i figured pay high dollar I get high dollar dog I was wrong and have unhealthy dog with mange that is not curable! Just treatable she will be like this the rest of her life. Read about it plz. He doesn't care he gpt his money, and his health guarnetee doesn't get you healthy dog doesn't cover mange or parasiteso

so what type of healthy dog are you really getting? mange is serious to deal with and painful for dog. It's passed through off spring and he still breeding ? Anyhow email me for proof you can even call my vet great vet, steveblake96 at yahoo.com I have no reason lie like he will claim of you read this. He will try bash me but I just don't want this happen anyone else. And I will continue to keep you guys posted on my dogs health if anymore come. But can't imagine getting worse than mange my goodness ! (((email redacted)))

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#12 Consumer Comment

Suburbanbullies.com is scam liar

AUTHOR: William - ()

The consumer who claims they bought a dog from him is probably a liar scott sent me reference and little did I know who I was talking to on phone was his wife and friend. He will lie and try make me as liar so he doesn't look bad I have no reason lie I just don't want him rich off you guys expense. He did everything right to get me by always attentive, always answering questions, and website looked great. Anyhow I fall for it! My dog now has demodex mange which is irresponsible breeder and our money was spent because of you look he charges an arm and leg.

Anyhow I figured we pay high dollar we get high dollar dog. I was totally wrong. With this type of Mage it's passed through off spring . He should never breed dog with mange. He did! Meaning he knew! I've tried leave my ea,il for buyers to see my vet reports but email keep getiing erased. Anyhow these are not false aligations. Our dog has deal with this pain and we do too, also more info if you look who he ships from they have vet on staff that signed health certificate.

That vet and that place if you google is puppy mill supporter. They sale dogs there and have vet on staff and deliver  these dogs. I saw tons and tons in truck being delivered. So sad. So with that said health certificate means nothing but the dog look health at time it came in they just sign and that's that. Trust me and ask your vet. He claims he told me deworming was only $3 that wasn't issue I can afford that the problem was she shouldn't have came with any worms!

Also he says there's health guarantee but that doesn't include parasite that can be harmful and not to mention a pain. And it doesn't guarantee to mange either! So what type of healthy dog are you really getting? Also BBB doesn't mean anything since he is small business all he has to do is decline my comlplaints and they will see it as matter closed because we can't agree. Don't get ripped off spend all this money to a gamble, I can be reached to show proof because he will claim I'm liar have his bs say to make himself still try make money.  (((email redacted)))

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#13 Consumer Comment

My experience with Suburban Bullies and Scott

AUTHOR: Dawn S - ()

I just thought I needed to write up my opinion since I also bought an english bulldog from Scott. I live in Cleveland Ohio and had already had a female from a local breeder who was a typical puppy mill type breeder you can tell this type of breeder didn't care about the breed it was more about the money. Anyway we decided to purchase a male bulldog to add to our four legged family and fell in love with a couple week old boy we saw in May of 2013 I found on a page that was linked through my many bulldog pages I belong to, so I went directly to the Suburban bullies page and started doing my homework. I was a little nervous buying a dog from a breeder so far away but the first time I talked to Scott on the phone about the puppy he helped ease the nervousness I felt, and we decided to put our deposit down that night.

The next couple weeks as we were waiting on our new furry bundle of joy I texted and talked to Scott very frequently about any questions that popped up, he was very responsive and always responded back in a timely manner. He sent photos of our boy as he was getting bigger, and always answered questions we had. The night our puppy left his home he contacted me to tell me so, and the delivery company sent me the tracking information and I had a phone call when to expect him the next day. Once our puppy arrived it was better than we even expected, he looked better than he did in the photos and was such a healthy looking bulldog, we fell even more in love with him.

We took him to the vet the next day and our vet went on about how great he was, and how you can tell he wasn't from around here because he had such perfect bone structure in his face that he came from good genes, and she hasn't seen a bulldog locally that has such strong facial features He had no health issues, and was very healthy. Our Thor is now almost 10 months old and we have no issues with him, he learned very quickly about where to go if he needs to go to the bathroom, had very little accidents in our house,  he is so smart and alert he reminds me of a human at times. He is such a masculine male at times but is the most cuddly affectionate loving dog at the same time. When we decide to add a third bulldog to our family I will be getting another male through Suburban Bullies/ Scott, because we love the personality our boy has and he is so great with our young daughter and all her friends, and the other animals in our house. I know firsthand about bad breeders and Scott Lathrop is far from one of those.

Our female bulldog who didn't come from Scott, had severe eye problems and needed double entropion surgeries, she has severe skin allergies, she has severe ear infections because her ear canals grew too close together inside the ear, and our vet says this and the skin allergies is usually when breeders are breeding dogs too closely related and this is the outcome of health issues with the bulldogs. Our boy we got from Scott is complete opposite of our girl; even just looking into the ear you can see the difference between the two bulldogs. I recommend Scott and Suburban bullies to anyone wanting to get a high quality bulldog with a great socialized personality I will never go anywhere else now that I can see what great things Scott has done for this breed. I am on facebook so if anyone has any questions I would be glad to be a referral for Suburban bullies.

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#14 Consumer Comment

Scammer and liar

AUTHOR: William - ()

Oh and to what Scott lies say. No the BBB close case bcause they can't actually force someone to refund someone. That's truth I learned this In process. All he had to do was decline that's it! I didn't lie, she had worms, she didn't have proof of vaccines I have his hand written letter, I have vet letters of her worms, and I did demand refund because I didn't have akc papers as promised and because of fear of his cunning ways . The papers did come in after a month. But I have proof that the akc papers didn't have them at first. I can't believe man like this can lie. And he knows he can get away with it. Because there's nothing BBB can do and people will fall for his cute puppy page as I did. But today as of jan 15, 2014 now she demodex mange passed form parents of dog! This no lie none of it is you can write me I can fax all paperwork from my vet and from Scott when getting pup of proof of his lies. I do t want this happen to others. He is so disgusting to me. He says he never had costumer like me because most don't speak up or don't spend all this money to take dog to vet, thank god I took her the same hour of getting her. Thank god! But now we had spend today $200 for her problems. He shouldn't be breeding the parents who have mange or the pups you buy wil get them too! So trashy! I understand dogs will have issues we have but when you entionally do this type breeding you making it pricey for buyer not caring. 

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#15 Consumer Comment

Scott is liar

AUTHOR: William - ()

Ok I see scott wrote a lie. He is bad bredder. We didn't want refund because of worms. It took month to have all worms fully gone. Anyhow the fact that he thinks this is ok is wrong. that's scary to get soecially for kids once on soil impossible to get out. And you can pick up from being barefoot and my kids live back yard. For a month we had keep her off our sil she would use pee pads. What was bad was the fear she had where you can tell our bulldog was not socialized. Anyhow and the lie that he gave her shot with no vet proof and clearly when you spend money like that you expect that! Well it doesn't end there! Today we took her to vet because she has hair loss! She has mange not the mange you get from other dogs but the mange that is hereditary! So he must have known the female or male or his breeding progra has this. So that said that means the pups will have this! Just another example about man all about money and not breeding right. Who wants all these problems? So our dog has this heriftary mange. So we have treat her and still not cure able nust treatable so she can get it again. I mean it is in genes. Anyhow I have vet letter for consumers interested in getting pup from him . Don't save yourself the headache and money. I can send you proof I'm not making this up. The balls of him to try to save his name with bs. 

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#16 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Response to false allegations...

AUTHOR: Scott L. - ()

  Hi, my name is Scott Lathrop and I am the owner of SuburbanBullies.com. First, let me start by saying, It's unfortunate that the internet gives consumers like these a platform to slander and degrade hard working and honest businesses. For over 10 years, my family and I have dedicated our lives to raising and improving this amazing breed of dogs. We literally started at the bottom and now own and raise some of the best bulldogs available in the entire world. We have sold a number of puppies over those years and never have I dealt with two indivduals like these or even had a single complaint. Not one. I'm not going to write a long drawn out letter defending the stellar track record of my company. Instead, I will keep this brief in hopes that if a potential customer is reading this, they simply use fair judgement or even just call and speak to me personally. I will gladly address this complaint. In short, Mr. and Mrs. Ortiz demanded a full refund from me several days after receiving their puppy, because it had worms. That much is true.

I explained to them that this was common in puppies and that a simle pyrantel treatment, which would cost about $3, would resolve the issue. I further explained to Eve our refund policy, which is clearly stated on our website. She became irrate demanding that if I did not give them a full refund she would slander my name all over the internet. Well, here we are... The truth is, her puppy did come with up to date vaccinations, shot records, a one year health guarantee, and AKC Registration as promised. I have never NOT included any of these things to a customer in all of my years of breeding. The truth is, the Better Business Bureau immediately dismissed their complaint becuase It was proved to be false.

The truth is, puppies are live animals and they come with real life responsibilities that their owners need to be prepared to take seriously. Unfortunately, I can't guarantee that our puppies won't come with normal "puppy issues". Simply put, If you'd like to make your own honest assessment of my company, I urge you to view my BBB rating and follow us on facebook, youtube, or instagram, so you can see first hand the positive testimonials and feedback my customers are consistantly giving.

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#17 Consumer Comment

Beware of suburban bullies.com

AUTHOR: William - ()

my wife bought bulldog by them. Been three weeks we have heard nothing from them, we still have no akc papers and spent all this money. Our bulldog we got older at 4 months old. She is not social and fears everything. she came with round worms so for month we have had to keep her away form our children and other pets to insure while in her treatment none of young one get round worms. Since children always have their hands in their mouth. We don't have her poop on yard because she can leave eggs on soil and containment it.

So we have tested her twice already and she still has round worm eggs. Even with treatment. subuatnanbullies.com claims this noreal in pups bit it's not we have owned and purchased dogs and not one has ever came to us with worms. Thank god  we took her to vet the same day of receiving her. I feel bad for her becuase she is still not social even though we have people come visit, take her pets smart and to dog parks. I had vet letter and all kinds info for this man he didn't care didn't want refund me.

i feel we got scammes who pays so much money for dog with no akc paper? We sure wouldn't have. Anyhow I fell for his you tube videos his website and  don't be fooled. Nice but we got scammed. Plz email if he tries to talk about me and convince you otherwise, email me I have proof and can let you know about him. Email at (((email redacted))). We even reported him to bbb but there's only so much they can do they can't force him but it's stays on record to make sure there is not patter he does in next three years.

Another shady thing is he said he had dog at his home but another man by name of chad McCarhty from sumobullodgs.com from another state from him shipped the dog, signed handwritten letter that he will send akc papers and did vaccines. Just crazy stuff they are in two different states. I believe Scott lathrop sales for him because of bad name he might of got from another consumer. Anyhow they all sale same dogs and stud same dogs that not big deal is roller coaster shady bs they both do. Again email for phone number and proof.

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