• Report: #500154

Complaint Review: TCBA, tcba, Tarot Certification Board of America, Michelle Perkinss, George Heisler

  • Submitted: Thu, September 24, 2009
  • Updated: Mon, October 19, 2009

  • Reported By: victimized and scammed by TCBA — USA
TCBA, tcba, Tarot Certification Board of America, Michelle Perkinss, George Heisler
http://www.tarotcertification.org albany, New York United States of America

TCBA, tcba, Tarot Certification Board of America, Michelle Perkinss, George Heisler Tarot Certification Board of America aka TCBA scammed me and ripped me off! albany, New York

*Consumer Comment: Would-Be Certification Seekers, Do Your Own Research

*Consumer Comment: ROTFLMAO

*Consumer Suggestion: hmmm

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Several points to make

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Several points to make

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Several points to make

*Consumer Comment: Positive experience with TCBA

*Consumer Comment: OMG

*Consumer Comment: OMG

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I purchased my certificates for 50 dollars a peice. On there site it says you can display them. After my purchase I tried to post them. Michelle Perkinss contacts me threatening me telling me i have 24 hours to pull my certifications down. I was scammed out of alot of money for fake certifications. Why else would I be demanded to pull them down. Tarot Certification Board of America threatened and has been harrasing me.  They refused me a refund. This site scams and steals your money. DO NOT get your certifications from there, you will be sorry and told you cant use them after they get your HARD EARNED MONEY. TOTAL RIP OFF.

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#1 Consumer Comment

Would-Be Certification Seekers, Do Your Own Research

AUTHOR: Ben - ()

I am sorry that the person filing this complaint had a negative experience, but "Ripoff Report" is a site for reporting frauds. The TCBA and the tarot certification process is not a fraud, though you are free to disagree with the organization's practices, approach, or even test-taking procedures, and you are certainly free to disagree with tarot. Tarot, by the way, is not fortune-telling. In fact, that is one reason why it is so crucial to have TCBA and a certification process: to guide would-be tarot practitioners on tarot ethics.

Tarot is an analytical tool not unlike many psychological or personality tests. It's a subjective mechanism that allows us to use signs, symbols and archetypes, in other words the abstract, to make better sense of our present lives. For many, it works. It's a form of meditation or inner reflection. It does not predict the future and it is not fortune-telling. Those who purport that tarot can do that are the frauds that Ripoff Report should be paying attention to, not TCBA.

I am happy to share my experience as an outsider who one day decided to try out the certification process, someone who isn't even by profession a tarot reader. See: (((link redacted)))

The tarot certification process isn't fraudulent. It's simply contentious: not everyone agrees with the concept of certification or how this one Board, the TCBA, approaches test-taking procedure. Either way, that's for hearty debate, not for filing Ripoff Reports.

CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report.
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#2 Consumer Comment

ROTFLMAO

AUTHOR: Ramjet - (U.S.A.)

Wow!  You have to pay to be certified to defraud paople? 

Unbelivable, Tarot certification?  That's among the most ridiculous things I've ever read.

Tarot is righ there on the fraud level with psychics, spell casters, witch doctors, ouija boards etc.

You be better off calling Harry Potter.

Disgusting!! 

 

 

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#3 Consumer Suggestion

hmmm

AUTHOR: Andrew - (USA)

i dont believe in any of this but I am in to business practice and straight from their site...

With all this in mind, we've created a way for the Tarot Community to display their knowledge and skill with honesty and conviction.

So hang them loud and proud.

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#4 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Several points to make

AUTHOR: Ladykelien - (U.S.A.)

I am a Certified Tarot Grand Master with the TCBA and former Executive director.  I stepped down in june of 2008 after the death of my father.  I hand picked Michelle as my replacement and recommended her to the board which voted unanmously to hire her as the new Executive director.  I continue to work with the Board on a vollenteer basis, doing their updates and publishing the news letter.

As someone who has both gone through the process of certification and someone who has worked closely with the TCBA. I have a few points to make regarding the company and the woman who made the origional report.

1. The TCBA refuses to allow people to place a copy of their certificate online to prevent anyone from being able to counterfit the certificates.  That is the only reason they do not want them online and insist on sending hard copies not digital copies of certificates. 

You are however allowed to display your hard copy of your certificate anywhere you do readings in public be it your own home, an office space, or a Pshycic/New age Fair/Festival. We also highly recommend displaying the certificate if you ever vollenteer your services to a halloween party, or school fundraiser. This is what the website is refering to when it suggests displaying the certificate.

2. Those wishing to show that they are certified by us on their website can simply state that they are certified and give the contact information to the TCBA for verification.  They  do offer that service.

3. If you make it higher than the basic three levels you get your name on their website listing you as a member.  Make it as high as a grandmaster and they will include a website link with your name. 

4. The purpose in the TCBA is not to verify that people are psychic.  It is to test their abilities to interpret symbolism found in the tarot, their empathy towards others, and their professionallism when dealing with the public. In an attempt to make a clients experiance more uniform and accurate.  We are attempting to stop the Ms. Cleo's of the world not empower them.

The woman who filed this report recieved her certifications.  She is angry because the Board asked her not to place them on the internet where others could make copies of them. She also became angry when her attempts to line herself up as the Executive Directors future replacement were rebuffed.  She has since attempted to create her own board and is using this forum as an attempt to even the playing field. 

 

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#5 UPDATE EX-employee responds

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AUTHOR: Ladykelien - (U.S.A.)

I am a Certified Tarot Grand Master with the TCBA and former Executive director.  I stepped down in june of 2008 after the death of my father.  I hand picked Michelle as my replacement and recommended her to the board which voted unanmously to hire her as the new Executive director.  I continue to work with the Board on a vollenteer basis, doing their updates and publishing the news letter.

As someone who has both gone through the process of certification and someone who has worked closely with the TCBA. I have a few points to make regarding the company and the woman who made the origional report.

1. The TCBA refuses to allow people to place a copy of their certificate online to prevent anyone from being able to counterfit the certificates.  That is the only reason they do not want them online and insist on sending hard copies not digital copies of certificates. 

2. Those wishing to show that they are certified by us on their website can simply state that they are certified and give the contact information to the TCBA for verification.  They  do offer that service.

3. If you make it higher than the basic three levels you get your name on their website listing you as a member.  Make it as high as a grandmaster and they will include a website link with your name. 

4. The purpose in the TCBA is not to verify that people are psychic.  It is to test their abilities to interpret symbolism found in the tarot, their empathy towards others, and their professionallism when dealing with the public. In an attempt to make a clients experiance more uniform and accurate.  We are attempting to stop the Ms. Cleo's of the world not empower them.

The woman who filed this report recieved her certifications.  She is angry because the Board asked her not to place them on the internet where others could make copies of them. She also became angry when her attempts to line herself up as the Executive Directors future replacement were rebuffed.  She has since attempted to create her own board and is using this forum as an attempt to even the playing field. 

 

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#6 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Several points to make

AUTHOR: Ladykelien - (U.S.A.)

I am a Certified Tarot Grand Master with the TCBA and former Executive director.  I stepped down last june after the death of my father.  I hand picked Michelle as my replacement and recommended her to the board which voted unanmously to hire her as the new Executive director.  I continue to work with the Board on a vollenteer basis, doing their updates and publishing the news letter.

As someone who has both gone through the process of certification and someone who has worked closely with the TCBA. I have a few points to make regarding the company and the woman who made the origional report.

1. The TCBA refuses to allow people to place a copy of their certificate online to prevent anyone from being able to counterfit the certificates.  That is the only reason they do not want them online and insist on sending hard copies not digital copies of certificates. 

2. Those wishing to show that they are certified by us on their website can simply state that they are certified and give the contact information to the TCBA for verification.  They  do offer that service.

3. If you make it higher than the basic three levels you get your name on their website listing you as a member.  Make it as high as a grandmaster and they will include a website link with your name. 

4. The purpose in the TCBA is not to verify that people are psychic.  It is to test their abilities to interpret symbolism found in the tarot, their empathy towards others, and their professionallism when dealing with the public. In an attempt to make a clients experiance more uniform and accurate.  We are attempting to stop the Ms. Cleo's of the world not empower them.

The woman who filed this report recieved her certifications.  She is angry because the Board asked her not to place them on the internet where others could make copies of them. She also became angry when her attempts to line herself up as the Executive Directors future replacement were rebuffed.  She has since attempted to create her own board and is using this forum as an attempt to even the playing field. 

 

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#7 Consumer Comment

Positive experience with TCBA

AUTHOR: Anonymous_CPTR - (USA)

I was surprised and dismayed to see this posting. I have been working with the TCBA for over a year on my tarot certifications and have had nothing but positive, professional interactions with them generally and with Michelle Perkins in particular. 


I am confused as to why the poster says the certifications are "fake" when they came exactly as advertised when I fulfilled the stated requirements and paid the fee. I have found that just posting that I have the credentials on my own website has made a positive impression on my professional tarot practice. Anyone who wants to check and see if a tarot reader's claims of certification are legitimate can contact the TCBA; it seems like that would be an easy thing for an interested person to do if they were evaluating the credentials of a professional tarot reader. I can understand why the TCBA might not want its certificates posted on the Internet for many reasons, especially if there are people's signatures on it. These days it is too easy to make copies of anything posted online or have one's identity stolen. 



There are two sides to every story, of course. However, the entire tone and lack of significant details of this posting made me skeptical of the motives of the poster, and speaking personally, based on what I have read here I'm not sure that this complaint is justified. If the poster fulfilled the requirements and received certificates then the the TCBA has done what it said it would do, correct? If that is the case I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. And I disagree with the poster's method of mentioning specific people by name; if the poster unhappy with the TCBA, so be it, but to drop names just seems inappropriate and unnecessary to me.



Let me repeat that my experience with the TCBA has been the exact opposite of this poster. I highly recommend working with the TCBA if you are serious about pursuing a professional tarot career, and consider the certifications money well spent. 
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#8 Consumer Comment

OMG

AUTHOR: Jocko - (U.S.A.)

There is a certification for Tarot card readers, that like telling the future. So I guess your ability to tell the future kinda sucks since you didn't know about this scam before you lost your money. I know a real good witch doctor.
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#9 Consumer Comment

OMG

AUTHOR: Jocko - (U.S.A.)

There is a certification for Tarot card readers, that's like telling the future. Right?  So I guess your ability to tell the future kinda sucks since you didn't know about this scam before you lost your money.
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