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  • Submitted: Sat, October 29, 2011
  • Updated: Fri, April 06, 2012

  • Reported By: Dennis — Lancaster California U.S.A.
TLC NM LLC
4500 Aquila Road SE Rio Rancho, New Mexico United States of America

TLC NM LLC Andrius Vilcinskas Sells Real Estate by Misrepresentating the true fact. Rio Rancho, New Mexico

*Author of original report: Rebuttel to Vilcinskas last message

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Dismissal

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: On a Personal Note

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: A Liar Goes For Money.

*Consumer Comment: I believe OP but side with the seller

*Author of original report: Still More Lies and False Accusations

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Additional Notes on Legal Matters.

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Liar Scamming Companies.

*Author of original report: Lies And More Lies

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Rebuttal

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I purchased what was advertised as a 3/2 home located at  Ward Street, Detroit MI 48227 from Andrius Vilcinskas and his mother Jura Vilcinskas, for $14,600 + back taxes for two years, totalling a little over $28,000.

When I was trying to gather information from them to do the due diligence, it was an impossible task to get any information from them. When it came time to close escrow, I still didn't get all the information I requested answered, and was told by Jura that she would send the information after close of escrow, as we agreed in writing for 15 days after closing escrow. Instead of sending me the information I requested, she informed me in an email that she could do nothing, because escrow closed, and it was my problem. The last I heard from her.

In her advertisement, as stated early she claimed the home was a 3 bedroom 2 bath home in a better Detroit area. She also wrote in her ad that this was a section 8 rented home collecting $900.00 per month. Both claims after speaking with Section 8, who wouldn't give me the information I wanted prior to the close of escrow because I wasn't the new owner yet. Section 8 stated that the rent was only $700.00, and the tenants share of the rent was $130.00 and they paid the remainder amount $570.00.

After getting the tenants name and phone number, after escrow, because Jura refused to allow me to speak with the tenant until after escrow closed. The tenant informed me, it was only a 2 bedroom with 1 1/2 baths. Jura's son signed an Addendum to the Purchased Agreement that they would pay the outstanding water bill prior to closing of escrow, instead of fixing the problem, the Vilcinskas absconded with my money, and refuse to respond to any of my telephone calls, and even refused the certified letters that was mailed to them outlining the deficiencies that needed to be corrected or I was entitled to receive my earnest money back. This certified letter was returned "refused".

Jura informed me all the utilities were paid and up-to-date, the place was rehabbed two years prior to them selling the house to me, and the water bill was paid in full. Everything she said was done was a lie. The tenant stated, the water bill was still outstanding with a $300 price tag still due and owing.

Her son Andrius tells me the yearly taxes are less than $1,000, tried calling the local tax authority in Detroit to get the correct answer is an act of congress, and because at the time I called them, was told I wasn't the new owner, I couldn't get the information I was seeking, until I owned the property. This was despite the fact that I already closed escrow, but they needed proof that I was the owner. Another delay because of Government Rules and Regulations.

What should have alerted me and a red flag to this scam, was when the Vilcinskas inflated the price upwards to $16,500 when it should have been $14,600. I realized then I wasn't dealing with reputable people, but the works of con artist. After learning all the lies I was told, I contacted the Escrow officer to informed him of the material misrepresenttion. He was shocked, and instead of holding onto the money until my due diligence was completed, he had already given the funds out to the Vilcinskas'. And they of course left Michigan for their home in Rio Rancho, New Mexico.

I filed the matter in District Court in Detroit. After getting my papers that I filed I tried having the papers served on the Vilcinskas at their New Mexico address, only to have them returned not deliverable. I also became aware of the fact that their previous corporation Power Savers, LLC was not their correct corporation, that it actually belonged to someone else, which is against the law.

I was told the Vilcinskas' had moved to Sun Valley, California, and I learned later they had moved to 24058 Eagle Mountain Street, Canoga park, CA 91304. The documents were served on Andrius Vilcinskas and TLC MN, LLC their corporation. We have a pre conference court hearing scheduled for November 21, 2011.

Presently I am awaiting tria to see what transpires in a court of law. In the meantime, I hope your readers will take heed and reconsider doing business with these con artist and avoid the mistake of doing any kind of business with them. If you would go to the Bid4Assets web, you can read more about the underhanded dealings these people had with other victims. I also learned the husband of Jura and father of Andrius Vilcinskas was convicted of the same crime they are now doing, and is presently serving time in prison for his crime. 

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 10/29/2011 08:21 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/TLC-NM-LLC/Rio-Rancho-New-Mexico-87124/TLC-NM-LLC-Andrius-Vilcinskas-Sells-Real-Estate-by-Misrepresentating-the-true-fact-Rio-R-793492. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Author of original report

Rebuttel to Vilcinskas last message

AUTHOR: Dennis - ()

The reason I dropped the case is because I reside in California and wasn't able to attend the hearing and contacted the defendants attorney to drop the case, because I was medically unable to attend the hearing scheduled and medically not able to travel to Detroit. Vilcinskas has made statements that simply are not true. The agreement with the Attorney to drop the matter was I would not be charge for any court fees. That was one matter, but I have another matter which I will be taking Vilcinskas back to court, because he breached a written contract we had with eachother. This second matter is pending. Unless he is willing to contact me and make arrangement to settle out of court. He and his mother Jura claim to have a LLC out of Long Beach, California. According to the California Secretary of State, they have no record of such a business. 
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#2 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Dismissal

AUTHOR: Andrius V - (United States of America)

On 03-21-12, the case against me and my company was dismissed. Please see attached the bill from my attorney, that Mr Simpson will have to pay me back. Thank You for reading this, and our company looks at this as some unintentional marketing. So, if You need to buy a wholesale property at any point, we can be reached at 1-800-946-9031, ext 1. We are functioning in 5 states now.
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#3 REBUTTAL Owner of company

On a Personal Note

AUTHOR: Andrius Vilcinskas - (United States of America)

My father's name is Arvydas Vilcinskas. Google it, and swallow back Your lies. I may not like the guy, but they are serving time on a stage, not jail.
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#4 REBUTTAL Owner of company

A Liar Goes For Money.

AUTHOR: Andrius Vilcinskas - (United States of America)

Inspection Contingency is a powerful tool for the closings on the property to go right, which You probably failed to use. If You care about Your property, You care about Your property. We will be taking You to court for slander. How come Your interest in the property came out 2 years after You bought it? You know very well that whatever You wrote here is an absolute lie, and we're not responsible for whatever situation You've managed to get Yourself into.

This is our last response, we have to take care of our legitimate customers. We're very amazed that You can get away with any false information that You posted here. We're waiting for a response from the editor.
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#5 Consumer Comment

I believe OP but side with the seller

AUTHOR: voiceofreason - (United States of America)

I don't have much trouble believing events transpired as the OP has stated, BUT, and this is a major heavy duty BUT, the OP CHOSE, of his own free will, to throw money into a rental investment flip, apparently sight unseen, in a city where wrecks of homes in wrecks of neighborhoods commonly sell for a few thousand, plus any liens or back taxes.

I have no problem believing that the OP got himself, sight unseen, into waters over his head, looking to make a quick easy few extra bucks a month in rent from some poor soul trapped renting a home in Detroit.

The seller says it all; nobody put a gun to your head to make you close, especially when you had red flags in front of you.
If I were the seller, I'd be doing exactly as the seller is doing now. A court would have every expectation that you had reasonable ability to at least know how many rooms were in the house. That you chose to rely on a ad as factual information is totally your fault. You could have gone yourself to see it and ask the renter questions. You should have had a lawyer or broker working for you to verify info. A court would probably find it UNREASONABLE that you did none of those things and therefore hold the seller blameless.

I'll bet you're a pleasure as a landlord too. The only one I feel bad for is whoever is renting the house.
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#6 Author of original report

Still More Lies and False Accusations

AUTHOR: Dennis - (U.S.A.)

The individual you allude to never intended to be a real estate investor, but a home owner. The home was purchased in April 2010 which is less than 2 years ago. You claimed this was one of your best properties. Morton Grove is noted to be one of Detroit's high crime areas. I don't understand your statement "Ran down the property while collecting rent and doing nothing over the last 2 years." What are you referring too? Documents showing I paid for items you were suppose to fix prior to the sale can be provided and will be provided in court. Section 8 was in the process of closing funding because you failed to fix the dozen things that needed fixing. You claim this case was all but thrown out of court. The truth is the court scheduled it for a March 12, 2012 settlement conference. Where is your proof that I deframed anybody? It is not defamation if the matter is the truth. You should be ashamed of yourself for being a slum lord especially taking advantage of poor black renters trying to make a descent living, and doing the right thing. Leaving a tenant with a leaky roof in the middle of winter is one of the most implorable thing anybody could do to another human being, especially when their are small children living in the house. There was a problem, and I did say something to the Title Company, but you already collected the money and ran off to New Mexico, happy as a lark that you ripped off another person.  

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#7 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Additional Notes on Legal Matters.

AUTHOR: Andrius Vilcinskas - (United States of America)

I would like to state that TLC has nothing to do with this property or this individual. In addition, the court will be notified of his posting of personal information online. Mr Simpson purchased the property in question from Power Savers, LLC, which is an absolutely different organization than TLC, which he is slandering at this point. Any loss of revenue from his actions will be brought to the court's attention.
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#8 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Liar Scamming Companies.

AUTHOR: Andrius Vilcinskas - (United States of America)

This individual decided that he wants to be a real estate investor, and purchased a property from us almost 2 years ago. This was one of the best properties that we had to offer, and had a Section-8 tenant, who, apparently to this day, still pays his rent. The closing was through a title company, with an inspection contingency. Obviously, he ran down the property while collecting rent and doing nothing over the last 2 years, and decided to get some money going after our company. He took us to court, as well, where his case was all but thrown out. Any and all facts stated here are lies, I believe we will have to take him to court to straighten him out. Defamation, among other actions are overtly illegal, as well as handing out another person's information, spreading lies about their family, lying to get said personal information, and harassment. This individual misrepresented himself to us, and seems to find it alright to start lying by the end of this. It would be better for this individual to take some tools and repair his property, just like every other legitimate investor out there. If he had a problem, he should have said something to the Title Company. End of Story.
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#9 Author of original report

Lies And More Lies

AUTHOR: Dennis - (U.S.A.)

It is interesting to note that you paid an appraiser to give you an appraisal for a house that was appraised by the Wayne County Tax Assessor for a third of the true value of the property you sold to me. It is apparent the appraiser you privately hired in June 2009, did not physically go to the house, to do any inspection, but relied on information you provided him. Had he physically went to the house, he would have seen that is was only a two bedroom home not three as you advertised it to be. A converted loft without a closet is not a bedroom. It is not a 3 bedroom/2 bathroom house.

What you fail to mention in your rebuttal is the fact that if I not closed I would have lost the earnest deposit money $2,246.00 that was paid to you up front. You failed to disclose the true nature of the property. It has nothing to do with any budget on my part. The truth of the matter is I tried in vain to rectify the problem with you within the time frame provided in the Real Estate Purchase Agreement, but you ignored my correspondence even refusing certified mail sent to you.

Filing court papers from California to Detroit, Michigan takes time, and then trying to locate you, after you left Rio Rancho, New Mexico are some of the reasons, it took a little over a year to get the matter served on you.

You lied when you advertised this property was renting for $900 per month, knowing very well it only rented for $700 per month, then you further lied, stating Section 8 reduced the rent to $700 when they didnt. Your own Residential Lease dated January 20, 2010 clearly shows you were renting the property for $700. That was four month prior to me purchasing the property. You claimed the renter was aware the rent was $900 per month, another lie, the renter whom you refused to give me his telephone number prior to closing stated the rent has always been $700.

You can file all the counter-suits you want, but once in court, you will have plenty to explain to the judge of your criminal activities perpetuated in California, Florida, and other states including Michigan. You continually claim misunderstanding by other people, but the misunderstanding is you lying. You state that I just give the property back, You reimburse me all the money I paid out for this property, $30,000.00 I would consider it, but you dont have any inclination on doing that, because youre all talk and no action.   
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AUTHOR: Andrius Vilcinskas - (United States of America)

This was a Section-8 rented property, with paying tenants, for a third of the appraisal price. Mr Simpson could have brought up any problems at the closing, and if there were problems, not closed. This is more of a matter of Mr Simpson not being able to work on his budget, and coming after me instead, well over a year later. We just want to warn You that our Attorney and ourselves are preparing for a counter-suit if You keep up this behavior, lying about who You are included. This will make for a much harder time than dealing with Your own budget problems Yourself. The high debts that You incurred in other aspects of Your life are not my problem, nor my old company's problem. If a property that gives You income every month is such a problem for You, just give it back. No one appreciates dis-honest intentions.

I hope things improve,

-Andrius Vilcinskas
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