• Report: #92154

Complaint Review: The Bryman School

  • Submitted: Wed, May 19, 2004
  • Updated: Thu, May 17, 2007

  • Reported By:Mesa Arizona
The Bryman School
Peoria, Arizona Peoria, Arizona U.S.A.

The Bryman School rip-off! Misleading prospective students and current students with non existing promises for their future. Peoria Arizona

*Consumer Suggestion: PRIVATE CAREER SCHOOLS CAN BE A RIP OFF THIS IS GOOD ADVICE

*Consumer Comment: You get what you give!

*Consumer Comment: You get what you give!

*Consumer Comment: You get what you give!

*UPDATE Employee: FYI: The Bryman School is NOT Bryman College!

*UPDATE Employee: FYI: The Bryman School is NOT Bryman College!

*UPDATE Employee: FYI: The Bryman School is NOT Bryman College!

*Consumer Comment: It's all about scamming the Feds

*Consumer Comment: This school gave me a future

*Consumer Comment: This school gave me a future

*Consumer Comment: This school gave me a future

*Consumer Comment: This school gave me a future

*Consumer Comment: please save your explanation CHARLES

*Consumer Suggestion: Congress says Something is wrong with Bryman

*Consumer Comment: your full of it charles

*UPDATE Employee: The Bryman School rip-off?

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Hi, I just happened to see a "I got lied to by Bryman ripoff report" and I thought I would add my own thoughts. I graduated from Bryman 10 yrs ago (1995) -MA program. It was a waste of time and money. I was told that credits would be transferrable, they are not! Clock hours don't transfer.

Remember its not a "Degree" or a "College" ... actually I am in another Tech school at this time and I did my research first... This school ends in "College" and I will be receiving a Degree but they at least informed my on my options to further educate myself- also do your research with Dept of Labor etc...(that is why I am attempting this again) Its pretty much a dead end street for Diploma programs. I see other students who are taking MA programs at any of these Tech schools and I feel for them.

There are so many schools graduating students in AZ every month -there really isn't any earning potential- don't think you are better off because you are leaving the state. My BIG problem was when I moved out of state.. every state has a different requirement as far as licensing to do the things you were trained to do, MA's are worthless there because you can't draw blood (it would have cost me another 2 day course and $250 to get a state license to do phlebotomy), you can't even pass a prescription to a pt... everything requires a license and has nothing to do with what you think you already paid for. Anyway I could go on and on... basically I agree... they are LIARS!

Jennifer
Mesa, Arizona
U.S.A.

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#1 Consumer Suggestion

PRIVATE CAREER SCHOOLS CAN BE A RIP OFF THIS IS GOOD ADVICE

AUTHOR: Margaret - (U.S.A.)

I was raised in Louisiana and have resided in Texas for the last 16 years. I attended college and Vo Tech Education in both states. although I am unfamiliar with the other 48 states educational systems, let me explain something about the difference in public Vo -Tech Education and a private career technical school.

Louisiana is a notoriously poor state, and most work there consists of the blue collar type of employment. Louisiana has public Vocational and Technical schools there because community college was pretty much non exisitant there until the mid 90's Some examples of this are the following schools I am familiar with. TH HArris Vo Tech, Opelousas, Louisiana and Lafayette Regional Technical, in Lafayette, Louisiana. Lets say a person is interested in taking something like Medical/Nursing/Pharmacy Assistant, Aircraft Mechanic, NDT, Business Office/Secretarial they pay a small tuition, say 200.00 for a quarter and pay for all their own books, and supplies. Student aid is offered.
All the instructors are definately cerfified. The schools are run by the state public education system so they know that they cannot charge a person 25,000 to become a Nurse Assistant whose average wages are 9.00 an hour.

My ex husband attened the public vo tech school in LAfayette, Louisiana and took Electronics Technology. When all was said and done he had paid approx. total 3,000 in tuition and another 1000 in books and supplies, and places like ITT Tech are charging people 50,000. Its a BIG SCAM!!! MY ex got an excellent post secondary education and even the opportunity to work for NASA.

I do not know if other states have public vo tech education, however if a person wants to major in Criminal Justice go to either a 2 or 4 year college because if one wants to become a police officer, they will need at least 60 credit hours from either a 2 0r 4 year state college, not a private career school. Now if a person wants to take something like Sound & Recording Engineer they can attend a specialty private career school because most 2 year colleges or public vo tech schools will not offer this.

But even with that said, still investigate the school and do your homework and stay on top of things and then you won't get a big SCAM!! If people would just investigate their state's employment web pages, average wages are stated for various careers and those wages are not some uninformed sales recruiter making a bogus sales pitch saying someone can earn 15.00 an hour as a nurse assistant.

I have attended community college (Texas) 4 year college (Louisiana) and a for profit career school on line, however those studies were more about personal enrichment and additional knowledgement more than transferring credit courses. When I transferred my college credit from Louisiana I had 25 credit hours, Texas only accepted 15 and I had to take a CLEP test to test out of the rest of my English courses.

If every future student in the US would accept this advice, they would all be much better off and for profit careeer schools with heavy handed sales tactics would be curbed down to very specialty schools and education for more comman careers would shift exclusively to community colleges and public vo tech schools if offered in their state.
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#2 Consumer Comment

You get what you give!

AUTHOR: Bryan - (U.S.A.)

In reading the postings here I decided that I have to side with Charles. Although I dont know about MA classes or the California schools I know that the Bryman College I am attending in Tacoma, WA is a good one.

I worked in Pharmacy for nine and a half years and know what is expected. I also know that you need the education to become licensed here in WA. In this I believe Bryman is the best way to go for the education as they offer the closest teaching to the real life career focus.

I have no doubt that you only get out of school what you put into it. I, as a member of a class action lawsuit just won one of the issues against another school. Be positive in everything you do and it will work for you.
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#3 Consumer Comment

You get what you give!

AUTHOR: Bryan - (U.S.A.)

In reading the postings here I decided that I have to side with Charles. Although I dont know about MA classes or the California schools I know that the Bryman College I am attending in Tacoma, WA is a good one.

I worked in Pharmacy for nine and a half years and know what is expected. I also know that you need the education to become licensed here in WA. In this I believe Bryman is the best way to go for the education as they offer the closest teaching to the real life career focus.

I have no doubt that you only get out of school what you put into it. I, as a member of a class action lawsuit just won one of the issues against another school. Be positive in everything you do and it will work for you.
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#4 Consumer Comment

You get what you give!

AUTHOR: Bryan - (U.S.A.)

In reading the postings here I decided that I have to side with Charles. Although I dont know about MA classes or the California schools I know that the Bryman College I am attending in Tacoma, WA is a good one.

I worked in Pharmacy for nine and a half years and know what is expected. I also know that you need the education to become licensed here in WA. In this I believe Bryman is the best way to go for the education as they offer the closest teaching to the real life career focus.

I have no doubt that you only get out of school what you put into it. I, as a member of a class action lawsuit just won one of the issues against another school. Be positive in everything you do and it will work for you.
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#5 UPDATE Employee

FYI: The Bryman School is NOT Bryman College!

AUTHOR: Tess - (U.S.A.)

Just to let you all know, the Bryman School of Phoenix & Tempe is NOT Bryman College. As an employee of the Bryman School, I have to say that many of the complaints I have read seem to stem from students not reading the fine print when they sign their enrollment agreements.

The admission representatives, for the most part, are honest people who genuinely care about the students who come to ask questions about the school. The Financial Aid department usually will bend over backward for students to get them funded and attending school. The teachers really take the time to help each and every student. I have personally witnessed several of the teachers at my campus stay HOURS after they were supposed to be off work to help a student grasp a concept or to work on an assignment.

To sit there and say that we're all evil people because you're not making $15 an hour is ludicrous. No admissions rep told you that you would be making $15 an hour, nor is it published anywhere in the literature you are given upon your enrollment. If you actually take the time to sit down and read the paperwork BEFORE you sign it (this is good advice for ANYONE signing ANY contract).

The Bryman School, Allied College, Cambridge College, & High-Tech Institute are all excellent schools staffed with instructors and staff who really do care about each and every student who walks through their doors. I know because I've been with this company for nearly 5 years now and I love what I do. I love being able to help someone get an education and succeed when they thought they could not.
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#6 UPDATE Employee

FYI: The Bryman School is NOT Bryman College!

AUTHOR: Tess - (U.S.A.)

Just to let you all know, the Bryman School of Phoenix & Tempe is NOT Bryman College. As an employee of the Bryman School, I have to say that many of the complaints I have read seem to stem from students not reading the fine print when they sign their enrollment agreements.

The admission representatives, for the most part, are honest people who genuinely care about the students who come to ask questions about the school. The Financial Aid department usually will bend over backward for students to get them funded and attending school. The teachers really take the time to help each and every student. I have personally witnessed several of the teachers at my campus stay HOURS after they were supposed to be off work to help a student grasp a concept or to work on an assignment.

To sit there and say that we're all evil people because you're not making $15 an hour is ludicrous. No admissions rep told you that you would be making $15 an hour, nor is it published anywhere in the literature you are given upon your enrollment. If you actually take the time to sit down and read the paperwork BEFORE you sign it (this is good advice for ANYONE signing ANY contract).

The Bryman School, Allied College, Cambridge College, & High-Tech Institute are all excellent schools staffed with instructors and staff who really do care about each and every student who walks through their doors. I know because I've been with this company for nearly 5 years now and I love what I do. I love being able to help someone get an education and succeed when they thought they could not.
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#7 UPDATE Employee

FYI: The Bryman School is NOT Bryman College!

AUTHOR: Tess - (U.S.A.)

Just to let you all know, the Bryman School of Phoenix & Tempe is NOT Bryman College. As an employee of the Bryman School, I have to say that many of the complaints I have read seem to stem from students not reading the fine print when they sign their enrollment agreements.

The admission representatives, for the most part, are honest people who genuinely care about the students who come to ask questions about the school. The Financial Aid department usually will bend over backward for students to get them funded and attending school. The teachers really take the time to help each and every student. I have personally witnessed several of the teachers at my campus stay HOURS after they were supposed to be off work to help a student grasp a concept or to work on an assignment.

To sit there and say that we're all evil people because you're not making $15 an hour is ludicrous. No admissions rep told you that you would be making $15 an hour, nor is it published anywhere in the literature you are given upon your enrollment. If you actually take the time to sit down and read the paperwork BEFORE you sign it (this is good advice for ANYONE signing ANY contract).

The Bryman School, Allied College, Cambridge College, & High-Tech Institute are all excellent schools staffed with instructors and staff who really do care about each and every student who walks through their doors. I know because I've been with this company for nearly 5 years now and I love what I do. I love being able to help someone get an education and succeed when they thought they could not.
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#8 Consumer Comment

It's all about scamming the Feds

AUTHOR: Frank - (U.S.A.)

Here in the New Orleans area we have (actually, had, before Katrina) a "campus" of Bryman College. The "students" were almost all low-class products of housing projects and were only there because they got free tuition (courtesy of Uncle Sap) and a free laptop computer (also courtesy of the taxpayer).

Say what you want, Chucky, but you know d**n well that Bryman is all about scamming Federal loan and grant money. The only reason for the brick-and-mortar "campuses" is so they can keep up a nice-looking front when the government comes calling.

The real test of a school's worth in today's world is whether or not reputable, well-paying employers take it seriously. In the case of Bryman, none do.
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#9 Consumer Comment

This school gave me a future

AUTHOR: Walter - (U.S.A.)

I am a graduate of High Tech institute. My girlfriend is a graduate of the Bryman school. She is a surgical tech and I am in CAD. Last year our combined income was 106K. That is our second year after graduating. We were placed in jobs within 2 months of graduating. Anyone who calls these schools a rip off is lazy. My question to those folks would be "have you fully utilized the services of the school"? Have you worked with student services? Have you at least tried to resolve any issues you may have? Please don't let your lack of motivation discourage future students from achieving success through one of these schools.
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#10 Consumer Comment

This school gave me a future

AUTHOR: Walter - (U.S.A.)

I am a graduate of High Tech institute. My girlfriend is a graduate of the Bryman school. She is a surgical tech and I am in CAD. Last year our combined income was 106K. That is our second year after graduating. We were placed in jobs within 2 months of graduating. Anyone who calls these schools a rip off is lazy. My question to those folks would be "have you fully utilized the services of the school"? Have you worked with student services? Have you at least tried to resolve any issues you may have? Please don't let your lack of motivation discourage future students from achieving success through one of these schools.
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#11 Consumer Comment

This school gave me a future

AUTHOR: Walter - (U.S.A.)

I am a graduate of High Tech institute. My girlfriend is a graduate of the Bryman school. She is a surgical tech and I am in CAD. Last year our combined income was 106K. That is our second year after graduating. We were placed in jobs within 2 months of graduating. Anyone who calls these schools a rip off is lazy. My question to those folks would be "have you fully utilized the services of the school"? Have you worked with student services? Have you at least tried to resolve any issues you may have? Please don't let your lack of motivation discourage future students from achieving success through one of these schools.
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#12 Consumer Comment

This school gave me a future

AUTHOR: Walter - (U.S.A.)

I am a graduate of High Tech institute. My girlfriend is a graduate of the Bryman school. She is a surgical tech and I am in CAD. Last year our combined income was 106K. That is our second year after graduating. We were placed in jobs within 2 months of graduating. Anyone who calls these schools a rip off is lazy. My question to those folks would be "have you fully utilized the services of the school"? Have you worked with student services? Have you at least tried to resolve any issues you may have? Please don't let your lack of motivation discourage future students from achieving success through one of these schools.
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#13 Consumer Comment

please save your explanation CHARLES

AUTHOR: Bernadette - (U.S.A.)

please for everybody's sake charles, do not defend bryman college anymore because that school shouldn't be in business because they are (you are one of them) ruining innocent people's lives because they put them in such high hopes when they want the student to sign up for the program but once the student is in the program and already sign their life away on a huge student loan they(students)find out that it's a huge mistake because bryman is such a fraud!!!!! students will graduate not knowing anything because they do not have real teachers!!!! so please CHARLES ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!! TOO MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN MESSED UP BY PEOPLE LIKE YOU!!!TTHESE PEOPLE GO TO BRYMAN BECAUSE THEY ARE DESPERATE TO HAVE A BETTER LIFE(BUT THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO A REAL UNIVERSITY)BUT INSTEAD BRYMAN PUT THEM IN HELL!!!!!!
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#14 Consumer Suggestion

Congress says Something is wrong with Bryman

AUTHOR: Carla - (U.S.A.)

Below may be helpful to those who has issue with Bryman. At a hearing in Congress March 1, 2005, a hearing took place regarding schools and certain misconducts. Below is a little of what the site says. The link below also states how the numbers are seemingly fixed or changed to meet placement

From the site:

"In California, the Department of Education has uncovered violations in obtaining federal loans at Corinthian's Bryman College campus in San Jose, California. There are two ongoing lawsuits by students in Los Angeles against Corinthian, and another two in Florida claiming misrepresentations.
A new lawsuit has been filed by Bryman students in Long Beach (a chain owned by Corinthian) alleging misrepresentations.

http://edworkforce.house.gov/hearings/109th/fc/60minutes030105/waters.htm

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#15 Consumer Comment

your full of it charles

AUTHOR: Candice - (U.S.A.)

i was one of the first to write bad about bryman. i am glad to see that i have made a difference and others have written as well.
charles, if everything they tell you is correct, then how come i am NOT making 15$$$ an hour??? as promised??? and why dont' you tell the students that the credits will most likely not transfer???
i'll tell you why, MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
your full of it charles
my deepest regrets for anyone under the bryman scam,
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#16 UPDATE Employee

The Bryman School rip-off?

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Jennifer,

My name is Charles and I am an admissions representative with Bryman College. I noticed your report and thought maybe I could clear a few things up for you.

First, I am sorry that you feel that this was a waste of your time and money. This isn't for everyone and that is one of the things that I try to determine when I conduct my initial interviews.
For some however, I could fill this up with countless success stories including my boss, the President of the campus I am employed, graduated from Bryman in 1963 from the MA program and ironically enough has returned this past May as the president 40 years later.

Please don't get me wrong. I'm not writing this to argue with you, only to show things from the other side.

As far as transferability of credits, as with any accredited school, the transferability of credit to another institution is determined by each recieving institution. In most cases units will probably not be transferable to any other college or university. However, just as it is up to the discretion of our Director of Education at our campus to accept credits from another vocational scool, it is the same in reverse.

The school catalog outlines the type of graduation confirmation you will recieve i.e. degree, diploma or certificate. The campus I am employed with is Bryman College and although we do offer degree programs most of the students are here to recieve a diploma.

As far as job placement goes we are running at about 80% and above for that program. I belive the national average is approximately 68% so i feel these numbers are good. I understand that here in California the job market may be better and have more earning potential than your location but this is what I need to go on having no personal experience in AZ.

Medical Assistants in their course of study do recieve a phlebotomy certificate allowing them to draw blood in medical facilities in the State of California. In regard to other states, we can release transcripts and the students will usually need to take an exam in the state they are working. Each state has their own requirements. Students are also certified in EKG and will recieve their CPR cards as well as the final diploma. The certification to be a certified MA is done through examination held by the State of California and we prepare them for that as best we can.

I personally try to clarify things as much as possible up front in my interview process to avoid students feeling mislead down the road.

I'm terribly sorry that you feel the way you do as I really believe in my job and helping people to improve their quality of life.

I must admit that I decided to respond to you simply because I was impressed that you have decided not to let your experience prevent you from furthering your education and self improvment.

Keep up the good work and good luck with your future.
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