• Report: #249926

Complaint Review: The Kelly Clarkson Fan Club.

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  • Submitted: Wed, May 23, 2007
  • Updated: Tue, December 27, 2011

  • Reported By:Mission British Columbia
The Kelly Clarkson Fan Club.
16 West 22nd Steet Frnt Nationwide U.S.A.

The Kelly Clarkson Fan Club. The Kelly Clarkson Fan Club used hate crimes against me, stole $60 US funds, harrased, stalked, and used slander on their website. New York Internet

*General Comment: Can't believe I'm commenting

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Accused

*Consumer Comment: Art,

*Consumer Comment: Art,

*Consumer Comment: Art,

*Consumer Comment: Art,

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Have Been So Busy

*Consumer Comment: Jeff Stackhouse (Weirdo, Stalker, Predator)

*Author of original report: Alan wins the OSCAR for best liar in a rip off report post.

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Jeff lies again

*Author of original report: To Ashley ( Tony) I have proof about you 100% from ( saved it from my msn it will be up before this post!)

*Author of original report: Finally WE OUT TONY: He is my former friend Ashson ( a girl) WE will OUT the rest!

*Consumer Comment: Jeff's Complaint

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Jeff lies about his own words again

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Jeff lies about his own words again

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Jeff lies about his own words again

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Jeff lies about his own words again

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Jeff lied right in his last post here

*Author of original report: TONY REVEALED TONIGHT! WITH 100% PROOF! Victory at last!

*Author of original report: Read this to find out who the real CRIMINALS are!

*Author of original report: Tony the Phoney is posting fake documents. We have the PROOF!

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Nice Work TONY and reply to 24

*Author of original report: ECHOMUSIC is run by immature criminals ( with proof)

*Author of original report: ECHOMUSIC is run by immature criminals ( with proof)

*Author of original report: ECHOMUSIC is run by immature criminals ( with proof)

*Author of original report: ECHOMUSIC is run by immature criminals ( with proof)

*Consumer Comment: Some of Jeff's blog postings to minors

*Consumer Comment: Very Funny John, and Yes I still think UNCLE JEFF is a Pedophile and member of NAMBLA!!!

*Consumer Comment: The Truth to the child ( Tony) he is a kid.

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: For The Love Of GOD

*Consumer Suggestion: Here ya go

*Author of original report: ART: It was made clear to me that you do have a sexual problem when on msn sending me perverted photos.

*Author of original report: Reply To Karen Marie. Thanks but please don't buy into these people.

*Author of original report: The Truth to the child ( Tony) he is a kid.

*Author of original report: Reply to Art: Rehash...lame attempt.

*Author of original report: Reply To Alan. Please do not make lies up.Thank you. Drop the lies and false accusations.

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Explanation

*Consumer Comment: Karen is a Nosey Complainer, probably Jeff under a different username.

*Consumer Comment: Karen is a Nosey Complainer, probably Jeff under a different username.

*Consumer Comment: Karen is a Nosey Complainer, probably Jeff under a different username.

*Consumer Comment: Karen is a Nosey Complainer, probably Jeff under a different username.

*Consumer Comment: Enough Already!

*Consumer Comment: my response to Jeff the pervert, stalker, pedophile who lives in Mission, BC

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: WHAT A CIRCLE

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: this all just gets funnier

*Author of original report: How is there a difference? We were both hacked/stalked by Pinky! We now have concrete proof.

*Author of original report: How is there a difference? We were both hacked/stalked by Pinky! We now have concrete proof.

*Author of original report: How is there a difference? We were both hacked/stalked by Pinky! We now have concrete proof.

*Consumer Suggestion: Follow up to proof

*Consumer Comment: response to 24 and still think Jeff is a stalker, predator and weirdo....

*Consumer Suggestion: Tony, you are nuts

*Consumer Comment: 24 Please come up with something better than this.......

*Consumer Suggestion: Finally some banning proof

*Consumer Comment: Jeff Stackhouse (Mission, B.C.) Pervert, Predator, Liar, Pedophile

*Consumer Comment: You shouldn't protest so much

*Author of original report: Art, Alan, Tony, Morgan, and Pink from the Kelly Clarkson Fan Club are Truly Criminals.

*Consumer Comment: 24's Story does not check out/ Jeff needs to be arrested and charged for interenet crimes..........

*Author of original report: Tony and Art should be married.

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: CATCH UP

*Consumer Comment: My response to 24

*Author of original report: To 24

*Consumer Suggestion: I am my own self 24

*Consumer Comment: Jeff lies, jeff is really Jesters777 and 24

*Author of original report: Friends yes, but 24's proof should be posted, noted and respected.

*Consumer Comment: 24 Please go take your Bull Somewhere else

*Author of original report: 24 keep trying!!!!

*Author of original report: 24 keep trying!!!!

*Author of original report: 24 keep trying!!!!

*Consumer Suggestion: Hey all

*Author of original report: Friends

*Consumer Comment: Jeff Stackhouse (Mission, B.C.) Pervert, Molester, Predator

*Author of original report: Hostility

*Author of original report: update

*Consumer Suggestion: Wow! I've just killed an hour reading through this insanity.

*Author of original report: update

*Consumer Comment: This nonsense.

*Consumer Comment: This is totally ridiculous!

*Author of original report: Who are you Robert? Do you feel they crossed the line of decency?

*Consumer Comment: We don't arrest folks for slander or libel

*Author of original report: Police Time

*Consumer Comment: Christine don't listen to Jeff at all one bit, Jeff is a mental case that blames everything on his anxiety issues.

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: One question for Jeff

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: One question for Jeff

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: One question for Jeff

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: One question for Jeff

*Author of original report: Trolling: Will be reported.

*Author of original report: UPDATE

*Consumer Comment: Well Put Christine, Jeff Stackhouse (Mission, B.C.) is a whack job and a child molester, online predator.

*Consumer Comment: The PEDOPHILE that Jeff really is

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: FINALLY (might have posted once but page froze so 2nd attempt)

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: FINALLY (might have posted once but page froze so 2nd attempt)

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: FINALLY (might have posted once but page froze so 2nd attempt)

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: i've already posted the proof

*Author of original report: Fine it's over (no sequal/ threequal ) RIP to the longest running Rip Off Report Ever....right guys?

*Author of original report: The point is that on one is perfect ( don't claim you are )

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: you just said it yourself Jeff

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Same Level Of Trust

*Author of original report: Alan please, I am letting all of this drift away calmly, lets not try to stir things up please. Hollywood Film of my Story?

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: there you go again

*Author of original report: Be patient Jesus and no stirring up pot please

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: send the proof

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Not Possible

*Author of original report: Jenbug, if you want it to stop let it. Thanks for the comment but I didn't appreciate your words.

*Consumer Comment: Jeff, Move ON!

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: HMMMMMMMMM

*Consumer Comment: Jeff Stackhouse: Idiot, Weirdo, e-Stalker

*Author of original report: Just a brief response to Arts 2 letters and "24"s letter. Case closed (until further notice)

*Consumer Comment: Will post proof here soon

*Consumer Comment: Will post proof here soon

*Consumer Comment: Will post proof here soon

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Last Comment

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: So Much For The Holidays

*Author of original report: Responce to Joe. Thanks for your response.

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: if you want it to end, then end it

*Author of original report: End it now before 2008 Please.

*Consumer Suggestion: Time to move on

*Consumer Suggestion: Settle it already!

*Consumer Comment: View from the outside looking in

*Author of original report: Quick note of advice to "24" DO NOT SEND EVIDENCE BY E MAIL.

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: again you got your facts wrong Jeff

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: again you got your facts wrong Jeff

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: again you got your facts wrong Jeff

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: again you got your facts wrong Jeff

*Author of original report: Finally after so much effort 2007 ends and 2008 begins with the truth about echomusic, Alan, Art, Pinky, Morgan and crew.

*Author of original report: Finally after so much effort 2007 ends and 2008 begins with the truth about echomusic, Alan, Art, Pinky, Morgan and crew.

*Author of original report: Finally after so much effort 2007 ends and 2008 begins with the truth about echomusic, Alan, Art, Pinky, Morgan and crew.

*Author of original report: Finally after so much effort 2007 ends and 2008 begins with the truth about echomusic, Alan, Art, Pinky, Morgan and crew.

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: PLEASE

*Consumer Comment: Echomusic

*Consumer Comment: Echomusic

*Consumer Comment: Echomusic

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO TONY TOO

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO TONY TOO

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO TONY TOO

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO TONY TOO

*Consumer Suggestion: Merry Christmas Alan and Art

*Author of original report: Merry Christmas to you too with gift

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: MERRY CHRISTMAS

*Author of original report: we both feel someone is lying here

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: U ASKED

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: U ASKED

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: U ASKED

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: U ASKED

*Consumer Suggestion: Jeff your still a Whack Job and Online Predator, stop slandering Alan and Art

*Author of original report: UPDATE

*Consumer Comment: Jeff is a Whack job and a pedophile

*Consumer Comment: Jeff is a Whack job and a pedophile

*Author of original report: Please do not respond but know what you did and live with what you did forever.

*Author of original report: Please do not respond but know what you did and live with what you did forever.

*Author of original report: Prove it and don't respond to the truth about what you did to me.

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: You Wont End It

*Author of original report: Think whatyou like Tony, your are a Troll, trying to get a reaction from Alan me and art. The internet has too many to begin with.

*Consumer Comment: Jeff Stackhouse (Mission B.C.) is a Stalker and Pervert, likes teenage girls

*Author of original report: Case Closed. Last posting by Jeff/Alan/Art/Tony/Whoever/Final Answer/ Believe what you want( you will anyhow) Let it be. (Speaking words of wisdom... Let it be)

*Author of original report: Tell the TRUTH!!!!! And did you employ Tony to get in on this? this stinks of an inside job.

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: he'll never be back on

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Double Standards

*Consumer Comment: Jeff is a STALKER and DANGEROUS!!

*Author of original report: Please be more truthful about this. Put a little love in your hearts.

*Consumer Comment: Thanks Alan for the scoop on Jeff the whack JOB!!!

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Why Jeff hasn't been arrested

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Why Jeff hasn't been arrested

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Why Jeff hasn't been arrested

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Why Jeff hasn't been arrested

*Author of original report: Feeling Christmasy. I am hoping we can be kinder towards each other now.

*Author of original report: Tony please read this and please appologize for your terrible comment.

*Author of original report: Tony please read this and please appologize for your terrible comment.

*Author of original report: Tony please read this and please appologize for your terrible comment.

*Author of original report: Tony please read this and please appologize for your terrible comment.

*Consumer Comment: Why hasn't Jeff been arrested?

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Written Proof

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Written Proof

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Written Proof

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Written Proof

*Author of original report: Missing People: Pinky Gonzalaz and Morgan Plex.

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Now You Answer My Questions

*Author of original report: Pinky's E-mail to me was Proof.

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: HAPPY THANKSGIVING

*Author of original report: No one else knew about your Donald Duck obsession except me and you, which proves you are the hacker.

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Simple

*Author of original report: Merry Chistmas Art and Alan, may the season bring your hearts joy and may you see what truly happened.

*Author of original report: Merry Chistmas Art and Alan, may the season bring your hearts joy and may you see what truly happened.

*Author of original report: Merry Chistmas Art and Alan, may the season bring your hearts joy and may you see what truly happened.

*Author of original report: Merry Chistmas Art and Alan, may the season bring your hearts joy and may you see what truly happened.

*Author of original report: Your 2nd attempt was a sorry excuse

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Explanation

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: 2nd Attempt

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: 2nd Attempt

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: 2nd Attempt

*Author of original report: Please stop the nonesense Art.

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: HOW MANY MORE?

*Author of original report: Art you are a lier. You are just a kid that Alan employed

*Author of original report: Any "Mroe" What? Why can you not spell? You are supposted to be an adult?

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Conflicting Comments = Jeff Lies More

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: any mroe jeff?

*Author of original report: Give it a rest Alan. Every post you make stresses the fact you are a cyber-stalker, Cyber-bully, hacker and sociopath.The proof is in the pudding.

*Author of original report: Alan proves he cyber-stalks/ hacks/ bullies and is a sociopath. All documented in Rip Off Report.

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: give it a rest already Jeff

*Author of original report: I hope after this post Alan will finally understand me and care for me. Please Pray for Alan and me.

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: jeff just doesn't get it

*Author of original report: Please lets care for each other. Love each other. Be peaceful and considerate each other. Pray for each other. All I need is love and pinky.

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: response to Jeff's '13 pages' of nonsense

*Author of original report: Since you asked for Proof.... 13 pages of it.

*Author of original report: Hey Noboby Important. Ya moving on. Thanks for your comment.

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: just give it up jeff.

*Consumer Comment: why bother?

*Author of original report: Art, you need to get as far aways from Alan and his site as possible , for your sake, and warn children.

*Author of original report: Jeff's response to Alan's response of Robert's response. Alan is not responding to Jeff response. My most heartful, most open, and honest response. In hopes of healing all.

*Author of original report: Jeff's response to Alan's response of Robert's response. Alan is not responding to Jeff response. My most heartful, most open, and honest response. In hopes of healing all.

*Author of original report: Jeff's response to Alan's response of Robert's response. Alan is not responding to Jeff response. My most heartful, most open, and honest response. In hopes of healing all.

*Author of original report: Jeff's response to Alan's response of Robert's response. Alan is not responding to Jeff response. My most heartful, most open, and honest response. In hopes of healing all.

*Author of original report: Please Robert/ Alan do not disrepect woman. Not something I approve of... in anyway.I stick up for woman.They are great people. Men can be great too!!!

*Author of original report: Alan you said you would not post again, which is A LIEEEEE! New proof you are a liar!

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: response to Robert (and ignoring Jeff because it's simply not worth the time anymore)

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Jeff never gives up...

*Consumer Comment: Thanks Alan

*Author of original report: Jeff's Response to Robert.

*Author of original report: Finally Alan stops his posts. My last post hopefully. Will respond to questions ect. if there is any.

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: ..about the fanclub (response to Robert)

*UPDATE Employee: MOVE ON

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Jeff, You never give up...

*Consumer Comment: Not surprising..

*Consumer Comment: Just curious

*Author of original report: Reply to Bart Simpson. 2 more lame posts that make no sense.

*Author of original report: Reply to Bart Simpson. 2 more lame posts that make no sense.

*Author of original report: Reply to Bart Simpson. 2 more lame posts that make no sense.

*Author of original report: Reply to Bart Simpson. 2 more lame posts that make no sense.

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: and Jeff still continues...

*Consumer Comment: Also......

*Consumer Comment: Face it , you've been bagged.

*Author of original report: Never heard such a poor solution to such a serious problem. "Get over it" is for spilt milk, not for crime.

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: the solution

*Author of original report: Alan shows his hatred for Disney fans and virgins on last post. More sensless putdowns.

*Author of original report: Bart Simpson is a liar ...dude.

*Consumer Comment: You're a liar

*Consumer Comment: You're a liar

*Consumer Comment: You're a liar

*Consumer Comment: Jeff

*Author of original report: Alan please stop the put downs, and please help me work this out with you. Please!!

*Author of original report: Alan please stop the put downs, and please help me work this out with you. Please!!

*Author of original report: Alan please stop the put downs, and please help me work this out with you. Please!!

*Author of original report: Alan please stop the put downs, and please help me work this out with you. Please!!

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: ..and jeff continues

*Author of original report: The truth behind Alan's Lies. Why he did it, and a proposal to work it out.

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: The truth about Jeff

*Author of original report: Yes John . I wonder sometimes myself. What is this world coming too is right!

*Author of original report: Yes John . I wonder sometimes myself. What is this world coming too is right!

*Author of original report: Yes John . I wonder sometimes myself. What is this world coming too is right!

*Author of original report: Yes John . I wonder sometimes myself. What is this world coming too is right!

*Consumer Comment: RE:

*Author of original report: Kellyville.com is still lying about me after 5 years! Slander must be removed from Website. Plus new news on Alan Firestone manager of site.

*Consumer Comment: My response to Jeff's reply

*Author of original report: Response to Suzanne ( who also got ripped off )

*Consumer Comment: Read my reports about GSG Entertainment and their abuse towards me!

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Hello my name is jeff and I have been victimized, verbally abused, stalked, and harrased by the Kelly Clarkson fan club.

They still have slander and hate crimes against me posted on their website. (on kckellyville.com and kellyclarkson.com ( both sites run by alan) have both posted hate crimes, slander, sexual lies to children, and more on there sites)

Without any warning, I was banned from the Kelly Clarkson Fan Club website two years ago.When they banned me two years ago they said I would be allowed back on in one year. In a year I wrote them and they still would not let me on the site.

When I asked what I did wrong, they said Its better to ban you just in case" I said excuse me but what did I do? My conduct on the fan club was very loving and kind and I never once said or did anything out of order on the site. I have written them many times, and they never respond to my e mails.

One man that is on the kellyclarkson.com website named Alan (His tagline on the site. "Retired but still here") speaks openly to underage children and tells them to harass me online, and he also tells them disgusting sexual stories, (Two examples he has posted online at www.kellyclarkson.com and www.kckellyville.com are that I have sex with watermelons, and that I have sex with a hole in my bed...this is not only slander but he is telling this daily to children as young as 8 years old) This is my opintion is not only terribly perverted and disgusting but is also fully illegal.

I would like a full police investigation on this man.

Second the Kelly fan club owes me two years worth of fan club usage. They banned me two times, both for reasons they have never explained. They only said .."you are banned"... that is all they said to me. They continue on a daily basis to make up new lies about me and have posted them on several websites on the internet. It is full slander and is 100% illegal!

The second time I joined the fan club, I signed up under my own name and address, and they posted on the fan club that I joined under a different name, to make it appear as if I snuck on, which I did not do. I have nothing to hide, and the fan club do, so they are trying to cover their tracks. They even searched my name and went to every website I had ever been on and tried to get me banned from as many sites as possible. They said terrible things to these sites that I never did, and some chose to belive their lies, others didn't, but I can tell you now, that they put every effort into ruining my life, and I have to stand up for myself.

This website issue should be pursued to the full extent of the law. Not only is this slander, but it also involves hate crimes ( like calling me in the middle of the nigh with hateful messages, they also send me death threats, they hacked my e mail addresses, stole my credit card information, and so on.)

Please help me in anyway you can to have this fan club shut down, help me get my money back, and help make sure it doesn't happen to anyone else. You have to make this concern a top priority because what they are doing in against the law, and is against what all good businesses should do with a paying customer.

Thank you for your time, and please put your full effort into helping me with this terrible act of slander, and hate. Please help make sure that Alan is caught and put to justice.

If you are a young girl or boy that Alan has spoken to about sexual things, please send me your information so I can submit it to the police.

If the Kelly Clarkson fan club has written about you on any websites, has stolen your money, or has banned you for no reason please get back to me as soon as possible.

This site must be exposed to the public, the scams, lies, hurt, and hate of this club must come to justice.

Thank you for your time, please feel free to contact me,
I hope there will be a victory soon to come,

Jeff
Mission, British Columbia
Canada

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 05/23/2007 01:20 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/The-Kelly-Clarkson-Fan-Club/nationwide/The-Kelly-Clarkson-Fan-Club-The-Kelly-Clarkson-Fan-Club-used-hate-crimes-against-me-stol-249926. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 General Comment

Can't believe I'm commenting

AUTHOR: Madman - (U.S.A.)

Jeff. As stated very early on by Alan....Pinky was promoted to a different position. Are you that stupid that you cannot understand that?
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#2 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Accused

AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

Sugarpie

I did file again due to finally having time to read jeffs last posting and being accused of the hacking. It was NOT me, I have a list of ppl that is over 50 that I can reallistically narrow to 5 that did it.

I am taking jeff's stand that I am not going to let him lie about me, he says that is something not allowed so I stand by the same rules for myself as well.

With you asking about my posting and if you think the issue is dead after a month what still has you checking it then?

Just know not all of us have 18 hrs a day like some to check these things, but my reason is standing up for myself. Make note jeff has had plenty of chances to let it rest as well and refuses so dont just go after me. This can be my final defense and jeff does not need to post a reply other then case closed for good. It was supposed to be a few times before but jeff changed it there.
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#3 Consumer Comment

Art,

AUTHOR: Sugarpie - (U.S.A.)

Nobody has posted in over a month. Why are you drudging this up again?
Are you trying to lure him into an argument? You're not helping your claim here. You're making it worse.
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#4 Consumer Comment

Art,

AUTHOR: Sugarpie - (U.S.A.)

Nobody has posted in over a month. Why are you drudging this up again?
Are you trying to lure him into an argument? You're not helping your claim here. You're making it worse.
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Art,

AUTHOR: Sugarpie - (U.S.A.)

Nobody has posted in over a month. Why are you drudging this up again?
Are you trying to lure him into an argument? You're not helping your claim here. You're making it worse.
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#6 Consumer Comment

Art,

AUTHOR: Sugarpie - (U.S.A.)

Nobody has posted in over a month. Why are you drudging this up again?
Are you trying to lure him into an argument? You're not helping your claim here. You're making it worse.
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#7 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Have Been So Busy

AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

It has been forever since I got to check this posting to see what lies jeff has for his current chapter.

Oh yes lets claim everything that is shown for proof that you want to deny just claim photoshop, always an excuse.

I am glad to see you are making up the story of me being the hacker is back. I have told you I was not the one, but once again I say fine blame me, so be it.

You have a short memory or a selective memory and only remember few things if you do not recall willing for hookers or grandmas, not to mention 14 yr old girls for your satisfaction. Can you also tell me what company was giving me and alan money?

Once again double standards, I know your msn postings were done with photoshop just like the ones alan and I have posted. So yours do not count as proof either. Maybe to you but not the rest like tony and that is all that matters is who does NOT believe you.

Your request was that I purchase you a pair of kelly panties as a present for your 30th birthday present, and you were dying for them.

Keep in mind wearing pink is for breast cancer, not lame asses like you looking for attention.

What do you mean you never added people on your myspace? Go look again. Oh I know since myspace deleted your perverted things you have forgot and have nothing to see.

You were banned from kellyville, that is a kelly website. Banned from the fanclub which has the website so yes you have been banned.

Go sue sony/bmg what a story that would be. I would like to see you come up with the money to pay an attorney to write the first letter. I know that high priced art work of yours will take care of that cost in a year or 2.

Being the psyhcology expert you should evaluate yourself and figure out your mental problem / incompetance.

Being the smartest of 10,000 makes me wonder alot about the type of school you are attending. Maybe you are what is known as BOOK SMART, but you dont seem to be smart enough to understand this situation.

I also see that 24 has got the point that the 2 cases are totally different and has backed out a bit with supporting jeff.

By the way dont go telling people I am nothing but a bully, I did plenty to try helping you. Things including talking to alan once, helping you with computer problems and trying to give you advice that you chose to ignore. That is all being helpful and trying to be nice but you choice and actions made a big change in things.
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#8 Consumer Comment

Jeff Stackhouse (Weirdo, Stalker, Predator)

AUTHOR: Tony - (U.S.A.)

Uncle Jeff I haven't gone anywhere. I am not the tony you talked to online. Give your head a shake to. I also want an apology for all the terrible things you have been saying about me. Now would be nice.
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#9 Author of original report

Alan wins the OSCAR for best liar in a rip off report post.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Excuse me Alan but I DO NOT LIE ,and I won't let a stranger that doesn't know me say I lie, I just won't let that happen, I am sorry you misunderstood me, but you did and I can't help that now can I?

It's a very beautiful day in Canada and while it may suck where you live Alan, it's really great here, and I have to be a man about you guys, and show everyone the truth about you and everyone that lies.

Yes a screenshot is a photoshoped LIE of yours, that's what screenshots are at least these days, or with me and you.

So you are saying you hacked my Alicia account and got me banned?

Excuse me Art or you could easily have put whatever you wanted on my account after you HACKED the darn thing.

I will never believe your lies, not one day in my life, you can keep it up but I will never believe that complete nonsense.

WTF? Hooker that's full out B.S. Lets not forget all the hookers you and art got with the company money... that's one you should explain.

Do you think any person is going to believe your lies after I have gotten a confession from "TONY" lol

I posted that straight from my msn.

anyhow that doesn't make sense if you got an autograph of someone that wouldn't mean you could go into Disneyland lol...

Nope never posted about anything like panties...BUT IFFFFFF someone did who the hell would give a d**n? I wouldn't.

Well your just being a bully in your post Alan

So I want to tell everyone to wear pink on February the 27th of 2007, its a program we are starting in Canada to let people be aware there are bullies out there ( of all ages as we can see here) and if people ask you what you are wearing pink for be sure to tell them why. It's not just for Canadians it's for everyone in the world that reads this. We have to make sure that bullying stops not only in schools but also online.

If you go on facebook you can find the WEAR PINK group... sign up and commit yourself to wearing pink for a great cause for new awareness of bullying.

Thanks to everyone that does that will get the message out that people like Art and Alan must be stopped immediately.

Don't try to hurt my feelings please.

LIES! I never added people on myspace you just imagined that!

Why do you stalk me? Why do you care so much about spying on me? What's the deal? I think you need a new hobby that doesn't include stalking me. ( And I have proof you admitted to following me around to every website)

No not true, I was not banned on ANY Kelly websites.

Oh that makes sense that you ran the My Space so you must have access to be able to hack me.

Well Sony/BMG will hear a HECK of a LOT more from me. They need to be sued for what they did to me and other Kelly Clarkson fans.

No I did not break any promises to you that is lies. Well if you think you have all the power in the world just because you can ban one fan your very wrong. Banning me doesn't give you any of the power you seem to want.

Excuse me but I remember you and art being my friend, so this is what happens when you try to go against friends. This isn't about something I did or didn't do it's that you THOUGHT (falsely) that you didn't like me. Trust me I know how people act, and I know a lot about psychology.I know a great deal about why you would do this.

And another thing that is not true alan is that I always did the things you said to do on those sites,. I followed your often STUPID rules and you come on here and say I didn't????????? That is just mean.

Fine we are not friends then... doesn't make a big difference now.

Ya, about the website, well I am going to have my own Kelly site, and it will be about my artwork and I will have the webmaster ban you and art, because you have been nothing but trouble for me.

Why are you so consistently rude in spelling Nelly's name wrong. More Proof you don't like Canada. I told you at least 20 or 30 times to please stop doing that and you keep it up. You are terrible for not listening so how dare YOU say I don't listen???????

Well I object to anyone saying anything of the sort about me that is negative because I had people hurt me in school. If you bothered to try to understand me you would have been able to care for me and you would have been able to love me instead of such hurtful comments. You guys were no different then the bullies in school.

It wasn't webmaster contacting each other, I found out a person from the kelly websites ( you or alan or someone) was stalking me on every website I went to and saying really bad things about me, things that are not true and never will be true.

I just want to show the world that I am a really really great person, that anyone will and can trust me, and that I will never do anything remotely close to what these people are saying, it's just garbage.

I could call a lot of people pedophiles that I have dealt with on these Kelly websites, it's all the rage these days to call people down in that way, if they happen to enjoy Kelly's music. Anyone who cares about children and wants to help them be better people to have a better future is suddenly a pedophile and I am 100% against people that call people down who want to help others. I obviously am 100% against actual ones.

I was not and never will be banned from those Kelly sites you mentioned.

I ma not mentally challenged of sorts... I am actually one of the smartest people of a school of 10,000... so watch what you say. I just don't let people walk all over me.

Well you can say I cry about stuff but I am senstive. I understand how people think and feel fairly well... so again watch what you say when you don't know someone.

That's the moral of the story.. I hope that this helps someone.

Even if we get one person this has helped.. then it's worth it

We have to really think about helping other people and not ourselves... that is what life is about.

Ha, I'd love to sue Pinky, but the law only works for you if you are rich... corrupt system.

Once I am rich, I'll sue him. ( Unless something can be worked out )

By the way I have amazing freinds that are so awesome and enormously helpful I couldn't as for better friends, I am 100% blessed and they trust and love me as I do them.

If anything you guys should wish me the best or something other then the bullying, that has to stop.

I'd actually rather help you guys if I could, rather then argue, we are clearly not getting anywhere.

Well sometimes I do cry but we are all emotional beings, so unless you are a robot from some other world, I am sure you have cried before???

Well at least you admit Echo isn't a very good company, I am certain they are a very very bad company.

Well what the heck can be done? You say Pinky doesn't care about anyone , which ya that's true, but he should. He really should.

No I don't ever have childish tantrums. No Springer here. Just facts, truth and explanations. ( Also don't treat me like a joke, it's just more bullying)

Jeff
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AUTHOR: Alan - (U.S.A.)

Jeff, how can you say your not an Alicia Silverstone fan and deny everything you were banned for on her sites back in 2003 and 2005?
You had Alicia all over your myspace along with Kelly, I posted SCREENSHOTS of it. you do know what a screenshot is don't you? you click print screen, paste into a photo program and save as an image, it can't be altered, the resolution isn't high enough.

our accounts banned on the alicia sites have YOUR IP ADDRESS. Are you going to say Art snuck into your window and went on from your computer to make it all up?

You also made a big deal about panties in myspace blogs, which stayed on your myspace for many month's (there's SCREENSHOTS OF THAT TOO), lets not forget the hooker for Las Vegas you wanted to meet you at Disneyland for your birthday, and you asking Art if he could pay half for you. OH, and 'if I can get autographed pictures of celebrities, they'll let me into Disney free to meet Ariel the little mermaid'.. where did you come up with that nonsense? it did lead to your obsession with the little mermaid though.. I never saw a grown man get all hot and heavy over a cartoon character before.
Now your all about that Canadian Idol girl from your area, what is she, 16? 17? You need a new hobby Jeff.

I've already gone into how you constantly tried to add people from my myspace page to your friends list, even after they told you many times to go away, and eventually telling you off because you wouldn't.. some of them were my little cousins and nieces, some are staff on kellyville, and underage, yet, you still tried.. over many month's.

I also remember all your messages to the Kelly Clarkson Official Myspace going off on Pinky for not letting you back on before your year was up. that's all saved in SCREENSHOTS too. I had to block you from there, didn't I Jeff? I have those cause I did the myspace, I created it, and got it going for the fan club, now it's being handled by Sony/BMG, who knows al about you as well, you were banned on KellyClarksonweb.com before you were banned on the fan club.

Don't say I never gave you a chance, you joined Kellyville a year after I banned you on the fan club, you lasted a month on Kellyville and broke a promise you made to me. All your private messages I nthe kellyville chatroom were all reported (they all get saved to a log just in case they are reported), all your pm's, the same thing., I warned you 2 weeks into it, you kept it up, I had to ban you there, and banned you from all sites under my company.

I was also NEVER your friend, you were just another Kelly fan and site member. Just because someone talks to you a couple of times, does not make them your friend, friendship is based on trust, and trust is earned over time, you never earned trust, nor have I ever claimed to be your friend.
I told you many times what to stop doing, what to stop saying, who not to talk to, you flat out refused to listen, and I washed my hands of it all and did what I needed to do.

It's like this Jeff, you go in a store, and don't agree with how they do things, they tell you to go shop somewhere else, if you put up a bigger argument, they call the police and have you removed for trespassing, harassment, and whatever else falls under what you are doing, and ban you from the place of business. The owner has that right, rather you like it or not. If you disrupt the business, they keep you away. A website is no different, you go on one of my sites, your on my property, you follow my rules, if not, go somewhere else.

How dare you make the accusations you made after all the chances I gave you. If anything you say had any validity to it, you never would have been on Kellyville to begin with a year after I had banned you on the fan club (which btw, was also after you were banned on the Express, KCMB, and other Kelly sites, and those were after you were banned on Alica and Nellie sites. do you really think webmasters don't contact each other and warn them of problem members? I got tons of emails abbot you when you joined the fan club, but I needed to see for myself how true it all was, and you certainly proved it all true real fast).

I have not once sat here and called you a pedophile or anything other than mentally challenged of sorts. If others do that, that's their choice. I said you have many tendencies, which you do, and you most certainly need help. You are in fact very unstable, you just can't see it. Just once, put yourself in the other persons shoes and see how your actions, comments, and nonsense looks from the other side before you have your hissy fits (you sound like your about to cry when you have those. in fact, there's SCREENSHOTS of posts you made where you say you are crying).
I also never claimed Echo was a great company, personally, I've worked for much better, but they are average, expanding, and in your case, completely in the right for the action they have taken. They have alot more to worry about than you, there is nothing you can possibly do to hurt them, and they don't make money off the fan clubs, they make money off their promotions, media divisions, Marketing, and have a huge client base not counting the fanclubs. Do you really think Pinky or anyone else there even gives you a thought? You couldn't even afford to bring up a legal case against them. Your getting in way over your head.

and once again I try to explain it all to you so you might be able to understand, but you wont, can't wait to see your childish tantrum reply to this, it's better than the Jerry Springer show.
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To Ashley ( Tony) I have proof about you 100% from ( saved it from my msn it will be up before this post!)

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Ash (aka tony)

I want to say your post will me taken down I am working with the police to find you and get you arrested.
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Finally WE OUT TONY: He is my former friend Ashson ( a girl) WE will OUT the rest!

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Hey everyone that is involved my friend Ashton Kennedy decided to play a illegal "game" with me, as you all did, and decided to use msn to impersonate Kelly Clarkson. I have the MSN conversation here to prove it was her. She didn't want to admit it (she said in the conversation) but I knew that you could save it, so basically, the truth is now out!

For a few days she pretended to be Kelly on my msn, after I was certain it was not the real Kelly I was talking with she decided to confess ( as I am hoping Art/Alan/Pinky/Morgan ect will also end up doing as well.)

Here we go.........

Kelly-On tour! says:
YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING TO KELLY

Kelly-On tour! says:
ALL ALONG

Kelly-On tour! says:
IT WAS ME

Kelly-On tour! says:
ASHTON KENNEDY

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
booooooooo

Kelly-On tour! says:
I JUST CRUSHED TO FANTASY
IT WAS A FUNNY JOKE

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
nooooooooooooooooo

Kelly-On tour! says:
GOTCHYA

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
That is illegal!

Kelly-On tour! says:
APRIL FOOLS

Kelly-On tour! says:
how?

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
to impersonate anyone!

Kelly-On tour! says:
no...to you everything is illeagal

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
it is!!!

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
it's illegal trust me

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
I looked into it

Kelly-On tour! says:
to you...not being a virgins is illegal..f**king bats is illegal..being an impersonater is illegal

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
cause of bad ppl that did it to me from the kc fan club

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
yes that 's all illegal

Kelly-On tour! says:
PS

Kelly-On tour! says:
..IM TPONY

Kelly-On tour! says:
TONY*

Kelly-On tour! says:
unlce tony to you

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
well admit it

- Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
on the site

Kelly-On tour! says:
admit what

Kelly-On tour! says:
NEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

- Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
confess!

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
YOU HAVE TO

Kelly-On tour! says:
NEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Kelly-On tour! says:
I WILL NEVER

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
or I WILL CALL THE POLICE!!!!!!

Kelly-On tour! says:
KELLYS FAT
AND UGLY

Kelly-On tour! says:
okay

Kelly-On tour! says:
for what

Kelly-On tour! says:
becaus ei made fake email

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
for impersonating Kelly Clarkson.

So that's the exact and official MSN transcript, so we have seen here you should not believe everything you read from these fools.

Please keep that in mind and I will do my best to "out" the rest of them

I feel this is part of the victory, and the proof of "24"'s is part of it as well.

If I can just get a confession from Art and Alan I will be home free.

At least we have a full confession caught, and we have more and more proof from 24 coming each day. I have also come across more proof about Pinky from internet websites as well.
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Jeff's Complaint

AUTHOR: Tony - (U.S.A.)

Jeff I am tired of your stuff, I have posted my own complaint on you, on this website. Stop slandering people, stop the libel, and move on in life.

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Jeff lies about his own words again

AUTHOR: Alan - (U.S.A.)

Jeff, how can you say your not an Alicia Silverstone fan and deny everything you were banned for on her sites back in 2003 and 2005?
You had Alicia all over your myspace along with Kelly, I posted SCREENSHOTS of it. you do know what a screenshot is don't you? you click print screen, paste into a photo program and save as an image, it can't be altered, the resolution isn't high enough.
our accounts banned on the alicia sites have YOUR IP ADDRESS. Are you going to say Art snuck into your window and went on from your computer to make it all up?

You also made a big deal about panties in myspace blogs, which stayed on your myspace for many month's (there's SCREENSHOTS OF THAT TOO), lets not forget the hooker for Las Vegas you wanted to meet you at Disneyland for your birthday, and you asking Art if he could pay half for you. OH, and 'if I can get autographed pictures of celebrities, they'll let me into Disney free to meet Ariel the little mermaid'.. where did you come up with that nonsense? it did lead to your obsession with the little mermaid though.. I never saw a grown man get all hot and heavy over a cartoon character before.
Now your all about that Canadian Idol girl from your area, what is she, 16? 17? You need a new hobby Jeff.
I've already gone into how you constantly tried to add people from my myspace page to your friends list, even after they told you many times to go away, and eventually telling you off because you wouldn't.. some of them were my little cousins and nieces, some are staff on kellyville, and underage, yet, you still tried.. over many month's.

I also remember all your messages to the Kelly Clarkson Official Myspace going off on Pinky for not letting you back on before your year was up. that's all saved in SCREENSHOTS too. I had to block you from there, didn't I Jeff? I have those cause I did the myspace, I created it, and got it going for the fan club, now it's being handled by Sony/BMG, who knows al about you as well, you were banned on KellyClarksonweb.com before you were banned on the fan club.

Don't say I never gave you a chance, you joined Kellyville a year after I banned you on the fan club, you lasted a month on Kellyville and broke a promise you made to me. All your private messages I nthe kellyville chatroom were all reported (they all get saved to a log just in case they are reported), all your pm's, the same thing., I warned you 2 weeks into it, you kept it up, I had to ban you there, and banned you from all sites under my company.

I was also NEVER your friend, you were just another Kelly fan and site member. Just because someone talks to you a couple of times, does not make them your friend, friendship is based on trust, and trust is earned over time, you never earned trust, nor have I ever claimed to be your friend.
I told you many times what to stop doing, what to stop saying, who not to talk to, you flat out refused to listen, and I washed my hands of it all and did what I needed to do.

It's like this Jeff, you go in a store, and don't agree with how they do things, they tell you to go shop somewhere else, if you put up a bigger argument, they call the police and have you removed for trespassing, harassment, and whatever else falls under what you are doing, and ban you from the place of business. The owner has that right, rather you like it or not. If you disrupt the business, they keep you away. A website is no different, you go on one of my sites, your on my property, you follow my rules, if not, go somewhere else.

How dare you make the accusations you made after all the chances I gave you. If anything you say had any validity to it, you never would have been on Kellyville to begin with a year after I had banned you on the fan club (which btw, was also after you were banned on the Express, KCMB, and other Kelly sites, and those were after you were banned on Alica and Nellie sites. do you really think webmasters don't contact each other and warn them of problem members? I got tons of emails abbot you when you joined the fan club, but I needed to see for myself how true it all was, and you certainly proved it all true real fast).

I have not once sat here and called you a pedophile or anything other than mentally challenged of sorts. If others do that, that's their choice. I said you have many tendencies, which you do, and you most certainly need help. You are in fact very unstable, you just can't see it. Just once, put yourself in the other persons shoes and see how your actions, comments, and nonsense looks from the other side before you have your hissy fits (you sound like your about to cry when you have those. in fact, there's SCREENSHOTS of posts you made where you say you are crying).
I also never claimed Echo was a great company, personally, I've worked for much better, but they are average, expanding, and in your case, completely in the right for the action they have taken. They have alot more to worry about than you, there is nothing you can possibly do to hurt them, and they don't make money off the fan clubs, they make money off their promotions, media divisions, Marketing, and have a huge client base not counting the fanclubs. Do you really think Pinky or anyone else there even gives you a thought? You couldn't even afford to bring up a legal case against them. Your getting in way over your head.

and once again I try to explain it all to you so you might be able to understand, but you wont, can't wait to see your childish tantrum reply to this, it's better than the Jerry Springer show.
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AUTHOR: Alan - (U.S.A.)

Jeff, how can you say your not an Alicia Silverstone fan and deny everything you were banned for on her sites back in 2003 and 2005?
You had Alicia all over your myspace along with Kelly, I posted SCREENSHOTS of it. you do know what a screenshot is don't you? you click print screen, paste into a photo program and save as an image, it can't be altered, the resolution isn't high enough.
our accounts banned on the alicia sites have YOUR IP ADDRESS. Are you going to say Art snuck into your window and went on from your computer to make it all up?

You also made a big deal about panties in myspace blogs, which stayed on your myspace for many month's (there's SCREENSHOTS OF THAT TOO), lets not forget the hooker for Las Vegas you wanted to meet you at Disneyland for your birthday, and you asking Art if he could pay half for you. OH, and 'if I can get autographed pictures of celebrities, they'll let me into Disney free to meet Ariel the little mermaid'.. where did you come up with that nonsense? it did lead to your obsession with the little mermaid though.. I never saw a grown man get all hot and heavy over a cartoon character before.
Now your all about that Canadian Idol girl from your area, what is she, 16? 17? You need a new hobby Jeff.
I've already gone into how you constantly tried to add people from my myspace page to your friends list, even after they told you many times to go away, and eventually telling you off because you wouldn't.. some of them were my little cousins and nieces, some are staff on kellyville, and underage, yet, you still tried.. over many month's.

I also remember all your messages to the Kelly Clarkson Official Myspace going off on Pinky for not letting you back on before your year was up. that's all saved in SCREENSHOTS too. I had to block you from there, didn't I Jeff? I have those cause I did the myspace, I created it, and got it going for the fan club, now it's being handled by Sony/BMG, who knows al about you as well, you were banned on KellyClarksonweb.com before you were banned on the fan club.

Don't say I never gave you a chance, you joined Kellyville a year after I banned you on the fan club, you lasted a month on Kellyville and broke a promise you made to me. All your private messages I nthe kellyville chatroom were all reported (they all get saved to a log just in case they are reported), all your pm's, the same thing., I warned you 2 weeks into it, you kept it up, I had to ban you there, and banned you from all sites under my company.

I was also NEVER your friend, you were just another Kelly fan and site member. Just because someone talks to you a couple of times, does not make them your friend, friendship is based on trust, and trust is earned over time, you never earned trust, nor have I ever claimed to be your friend.
I told you many times what to stop doing, what to stop saying, who not to talk to, you flat out refused to listen, and I washed my hands of it all and did what I needed to do.

It's like this Jeff, you go in a store, and don't agree with how they do things, they tell you to go shop somewhere else, if you put up a bigger argument, they call the police and have you removed for trespassing, harassment, and whatever else falls under what you are doing, and ban you from the place of business. The owner has that right, rather you like it or not. If you disrupt the business, they keep you away. A website is no different, you go on one of my sites, your on my property, you follow my rules, if not, go somewhere else.

How dare you make the accusations you made after all the chances I gave you. If anything you say had any validity to it, you never would have been on Kellyville to begin with a year after I had banned you on the fan club (which btw, was also after you were banned on the Express, KCMB, and other Kelly sites, and those were after you were banned on Alica and Nellie sites. do you really think webmasters don't contact each other and warn them of problem members? I got tons of emails abbot you when you joined the fan club, but I needed to see for myself how true it all was, and you certainly proved it all true real fast).

I have not once sat here and called you a pedophile or anything other than mentally challenged of sorts. If others do that, that's their choice. I said you have many tendencies, which you do, and you most certainly need help. You are in fact very unstable, you just can't see it. Just once, put yourself in the other persons shoes and see how your actions, comments, and nonsense looks from the other side before you have your hissy fits (you sound like your about to cry when you have those. in fact, there's SCREENSHOTS of posts you made where you say you are crying).
I also never claimed Echo was a great company, personally, I've worked for much better, but they are average, expanding, and in your case, completely in the right for the action they have taken. They have alot more to worry about than you, there is nothing you can possibly do to hurt them, and they don't make money off the fan clubs, they make money off their promotions, media divisions, Marketing, and have a huge client base not counting the fanclubs. Do you really think Pinky or anyone else there even gives you a thought? You couldn't even afford to bring up a legal case against them. Your getting in way over your head.

and once again I try to explain it all to you so you might be able to understand, but you wont, can't wait to see your childish tantrum reply to this, it's better than the Jerry Springer show.
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AUTHOR: Alan - (U.S.A.)

Jeff, how can you say your not an Alicia Silverstone fan and deny everything you were banned for on her sites back in 2003 and 2005?
You had Alicia all over your myspace along with Kelly, I posted SCREENSHOTS of it. you do know what a screenshot is don't you? you click print screen, paste into a photo program and save as an image, it can't be altered, the resolution isn't high enough.
our accounts banned on the alicia sites have YOUR IP ADDRESS. Are you going to say Art snuck into your window and went on from your computer to make it all up?

You also made a big deal about panties in myspace blogs, which stayed on your myspace for many month's (there's SCREENSHOTS OF THAT TOO), lets not forget the hooker for Las Vegas you wanted to meet you at Disneyland for your birthday, and you asking Art if he could pay half for you. OH, and 'if I can get autographed pictures of celebrities, they'll let me into Disney free to meet Ariel the little mermaid'.. where did you come up with that nonsense? it did lead to your obsession with the little mermaid though.. I never saw a grown man get all hot and heavy over a cartoon character before.
Now your all about that Canadian Idol girl from your area, what is she, 16? 17? You need a new hobby Jeff.
I've already gone into how you constantly tried to add people from my myspace page to your friends list, even after they told you many times to go away, and eventually telling you off because you wouldn't.. some of them were my little cousins and nieces, some are staff on kellyville, and underage, yet, you still tried.. over many month's.

I also remember all your messages to the Kelly Clarkson Official Myspace going off on Pinky for not letting you back on before your year was up. that's all saved in SCREENSHOTS too. I had to block you from there, didn't I Jeff? I have those cause I did the myspace, I created it, and got it going for the fan club, now it's being handled by Sony/BMG, who knows al about you as well, you were banned on KellyClarksonweb.com before you were banned on the fan club.

Don't say I never gave you a chance, you joined Kellyville a year after I banned you on the fan club, you lasted a month on Kellyville and broke a promise you made to me. All your private messages I nthe kellyville chatroom were all reported (they all get saved to a log just in case they are reported), all your pm's, the same thing., I warned you 2 weeks into it, you kept it up, I had to ban you there, and banned you from all sites under my company.

I was also NEVER your friend, you were just another Kelly fan and site member. Just because someone talks to you a couple of times, does not make them your friend, friendship is based on trust, and trust is earned over time, you never earned trust, nor have I ever claimed to be your friend.
I told you many times what to stop doing, what to stop saying, who not to talk to, you flat out refused to listen, and I washed my hands of it all and did what I needed to do.

It's like this Jeff, you go in a store, and don't agree with how they do things, they tell you to go shop somewhere else, if you put up a bigger argument, they call the police and have you removed for trespassing, harassment, and whatever else falls under what you are doing, and ban you from the place of business. The owner has that right, rather you like it or not. If you disrupt the business, they keep you away. A website is no different, you go on one of my sites, your on my property, you follow my rules, if not, go somewhere else.

How dare you make the accusations you made after all the chances I gave you. If anything you say had any validity to it, you never would have been on Kellyville to begin with a year after I had banned you on the fan club (which btw, was also after you were banned on the Express, KCMB, and other Kelly sites, and those were after you were banned on Alica and Nellie sites. do you really think webmasters don't contact each other and warn them of problem members? I got tons of emails abbot you when you joined the fan club, but I needed to see for myself how true it all was, and you certainly proved it all true real fast).

I have not once sat here and called you a pedophile or anything other than mentally challenged of sorts. If others do that, that's their choice. I said you have many tendencies, which you do, and you most certainly need help. You are in fact very unstable, you just can't see it. Just once, put yourself in the other persons shoes and see how your actions, comments, and nonsense looks from the other side before you have your hissy fits (you sound like your about to cry when you have those. in fact, there's SCREENSHOTS of posts you made where you say you are crying).
I also never claimed Echo was a great company, personally, I've worked for much better, but they are average, expanding, and in your case, completely in the right for the action they have taken. They have alot more to worry about than you, there is nothing you can possibly do to hurt them, and they don't make money off the fan clubs, they make money off their promotions, media divisions, Marketing, and have a huge client base not counting the fanclubs. Do you really think Pinky or anyone else there even gives you a thought? You couldn't even afford to bring up a legal case against them. Your getting in way over your head.

and once again I try to explain it all to you so you might be able to understand, but you wont, can't wait to see your childish tantrum reply to this, it's better than the Jerry Springer show.
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Jeff lies about his own words again

AUTHOR: Alan - (U.S.A.)

Jeff, how can you say your not an Alicia Silverstone fan and deny everything you were banned for on her sites back in 2003 and 2005?
You had Alicia all over your myspace along with Kelly, I posted SCREENSHOTS of it. you do know what a screenshot is don't you? you click print screen, paste into a photo program and save as an image, it can't be altered, the resolution isn't high enough.
our accounts banned on the alicia sites have YOUR IP ADDRESS. Are you going to say Art snuck into your window and went on from your computer to make it all up?

You also made a big deal about panties in myspace blogs, which stayed on your myspace for many month's (there's SCREENSHOTS OF THAT TOO), lets not forget the hooker for Las Vegas you wanted to meet you at Disneyland for your birthday, and you asking Art if he could pay half for you. OH, and 'if I can get autographed pictures of celebrities, they'll let me into Disney free to meet Ariel the little mermaid'.. where did you come up with that nonsense? it did lead to your obsession with the little mermaid though.. I never saw a grown man get all hot and heavy over a cartoon character before.
Now your all about that Canadian Idol girl from your area, what is she, 16? 17? You need a new hobby Jeff.
I've already gone into how you constantly tried to add people from my myspace page to your friends list, even after they told you many times to go away, and eventually telling you off because you wouldn't.. some of them were my little cousins and nieces, some are staff on kellyville, and underage, yet, you still tried.. over many month's.

I also remember all your messages to the Kelly Clarkson Official Myspace going off on Pinky for not letting you back on before your year was up. that's all saved in SCREENSHOTS too. I had to block you from there, didn't I Jeff? I have those cause I did the myspace, I created it, and got it going for the fan club, now it's being handled by Sony/BMG, who knows al about you as well, you were banned on KellyClarksonweb.com before you were banned on the fan club.

Don't say I never gave you a chance, you joined Kellyville a year after I banned you on the fan club, you lasted a month on Kellyville and broke a promise you made to me. All your private messages I nthe kellyville chatroom were all reported (they all get saved to a log just in case they are reported), all your pm's, the same thing., I warned you 2 weeks into it, you kept it up, I had to ban you there, and banned you from all sites under my company.

I was also NEVER your friend, you were just another Kelly fan and site member. Just because someone talks to you a couple of times, does not make them your friend, friendship is based on trust, and trust is earned over time, you never earned trust, nor have I ever claimed to be your friend.
I told you many times what to stop doing, what to stop saying, who not to talk to, you flat out refused to listen, and I washed my hands of it all and did what I needed to do.

It's like this Jeff, you go in a store, and don't agree with how they do things, they tell you to go shop somewhere else, if you put up a bigger argument, they call the police and have you removed for trespassing, harassment, and whatever else falls under what you are doing, and ban you from the place of business. The owner has that right, rather you like it or not. If you disrupt the business, they keep you away. A website is no different, you go on one of my sites, your on my property, you follow my rules, if not, go somewhere else.

How dare you make the accusations you made after all the chances I gave you. If anything you say had any validity to it, you never would have been on Kellyville to begin with a year after I had banned you on the fan club (which btw, was also after you were banned on the Express, KCMB, and other Kelly sites, and those were after you were banned on Alica and Nellie sites. do you really think webmasters don't contact each other and warn them of problem members? I got tons of emails abbot you when you joined the fan club, but I needed to see for myself how true it all was, and you certainly proved it all true real fast).

I have not once sat here and called you a pedophile or anything other than mentally challenged of sorts. If others do that, that's their choice. I said you have many tendencies, which you do, and you most certainly need help. You are in fact very unstable, you just can't see it. Just once, put yourself in the other persons shoes and see how your actions, comments, and nonsense looks from the other side before you have your hissy fits (you sound like your about to cry when you have those. in fact, there's SCREENSHOTS of posts you made where you say you are crying).
I also never claimed Echo was a great company, personally, I've worked for much better, but they are average, expanding, and in your case, completely in the right for the action they have taken. They have alot more to worry about than you, there is nothing you can possibly do to hurt them, and they don't make money off the fan clubs, they make money off their promotions, media divisions, Marketing, and have a huge client base not counting the fanclubs. Do you really think Pinky or anyone else there even gives you a thought? You couldn't even afford to bring up a legal case against them. Your getting in way over your head.

and once again I try to explain it all to you so you might be able to understand, but you wont, can't wait to see your childish tantrum reply to this, it's better than the Jerry Springer show.
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Jeff lied right in his last post here

AUTHOR: Alan - (U.S.A.)

Jeff, how can you say your not an Alicia Silverstone fan and deny everything you were banned for on her sites back in 2003 and 2005?
You had Alicia all over your myspace along with Kelly, I posted SCREENSHOTS of it. you do know what a screenshot is dont you? you click print screen, paste into a photo program and save as an image, it can't be altered, the resolution isn't high enough.

our accounts banned on the alicia sites have YOUR IP ADDRESS. Are you going to say Art snuck into your window and went on from your computer to make it all up?

You also made a big deal about panties in myspace blogs, which stayed on your myspace for many month's (there's SCREENSHOTS OF THAT TOO), lets not forget the hooker for Las Vegas you wanted to meet you at Disneyland for your birthday, and you asking Art if he could pay half for you. OH, and 'if i can get autographed pictures of celebrities, they'll let me into Disney free to meet Ariel the little mermaid'.. where did you come up with that nonsense? it did lead to your obsession with the little mermaid though.. I never saw a grown man get all hot and heavy over a cartoon charactor before.
Now your all about that Canadian Idol girl from your area, what is she, 16? 17? You need a new hobby Jeff.

Ive already gone into how you constantly tried to add people from my myspace page to your riends lsit, even after they told you many times to go away, and eventually telling you off because you wouldn't.. some of them were my little cousins and neices, some are staff on kellyville, and underrage, yet, you still tried.. over many month's.

I also remember all your messages to the Kelly Clarkson Official Myspace going off on Pinky for not letting you back on before your year was up. that's all saved in SCREENSHOTS too. I had to block you from there, didn't I Jeff? I have those cause I did the myspace, I created it, and got it going for the fan club, now it's being handled by Sony/BMG, who knows al about you as well, you were banned on KellyClarksonweb.com before you were banned on the fan club.

Don't say I never gave you a chance, you joined Kellyville a year after I banned you on the fan club, you lasted a month on Kellyville and broke a promise you made to me. All your private messages i nthe kellyville chatroom were all reported (they all get saved to a log just in case they are reported), all your pm's, the same thing., I warned you 2 weeks into it, you kept it up, I had to ban you there, and banend you from all sites under my company.

I was also NEVER your friend, you were just another Kelly fan and site member. Just because someone talks to you a couple of times, does not make them your friend, friendship is based on trust, and trust is earned over time, you never earned trust, nor have I ever claimed to be your friend.
I told you many times what to stop doing, what to stop saying, who not to talk to, you fla tout refused to lsiten, and I washed my hands of it all and did what I needed to do.

It's liek this Jeff, you go in a store, and don't agree with how they do things, they tell you to go shop somewhere else, if you put up a bigger arguement, they call the police and have you removed for tresspassing, harrassment, and whatever else falls under what you are doing, and ban you from the place of business. The owner has that right, rather you like it or not. If you disrupt the business, they keep you away. A website is no differant, you go on one of my sites, your on my property, you follow my rules, if not, go somewhere else.

How dare you make the accusations you made after all the chances I gave you. If anything you say had any validity to it, you never would have been on Kellyville to begin with a year after I had banned you on the fan club (which btw, was also after you were banned ont he Express, KCMB, and other Kelly sites, and those were after you were banned on Alica and Nellie sites. do you really think webmasters dont cotnact each other and warn them of problem members? I got tons of emails abotu you when you joined the fan club, but I needed to see for myself how true it all was, and you certainly proved it all true real fast).

I have not once sat here and called you a pedophile or anything other than mentally challanged of sorts. If others do that, that's their choice. I said you have many tendancies, which you do, and you most certainly need help. You are in fact very unstable, you just can't see it. Just once, put yourself in the othe persons shoes and see how your actions, comments, and nonsense looks from the other side before you have your hissy fits (you sound like your about to cry when you have those. in fact, there's SCREENSHOTS of psots you made where you say you are crying).

I also never claimed Echo was a great company, personally, I've worked for much better, but they are average, expanding, and in your case, completely in the right for the action they have taken. They have alot more to worry about than you, there is nothing you can possibly do to hurt them, and they don't make money off the fan clubs, they make money off their promotions, media divisions, Marketing, and have a huge cleint base not counting the fanclubs. Do you really think Pinky or anyone else there even gives you a thought? You couldn't even afford to rbing up a legal case against them. Your getting in way over your head.

and once again I try to explain it all to you so you might be able to udnerstand, but you wont, can't wait to see your childish tantrum reply to this, it's better than the Jerry Springer show.
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#19 Author of original report

TONY REVEALED TONIGHT! WITH 100% PROOF! Victory at last!

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Hey everyone that is involved my friend Ashton Kennedy decided to play a illegal "game" with me, as you all did, and decided to use msn to impersonate Kelly Clarkson. I have the MSN conversation here to prove it was her. She didn't want to admit it (she said in the conversation) but I knew that you could save it, so basically, the truth is now out!

For a few days she pretended to be Kelly on my msn, after I was certain it was not the real Kelly I was talking with she decided to confess ( as I am hoping Art/Alan/Pinky/Morgan ect will also end up doing as well.)

Here we go.........

Kelly-On tour! says:
YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING TO KELLY

Kelly-On tour! says:
ALL ALONG

Kelly-On tour! says:
IT WAS ME

Kelly-On tour! says:
ASHTON KENNEDY

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
booooooooo

Kelly-On tour! says:
I JUST CRUSHED TO FANTASY
IT WAS A FUNNY JOKE

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
nooooooooooooooooo

Kelly-On tour! says:
GOTCHYA

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
That is illegal!

Kelly-On tour! says:
APRIL FOOLS

Kelly-On tour! says:
how?

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
to impersonate anyone!

Kelly-On tour! says:
no...to you everything is illeagal

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
it is!!!

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
it's illegal trust me

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
I looked into it

Kelly-On tour! says:
to you...not being a virgins is illegal..f**king bats is illegal..being an impersonater is illegal

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
cause of bad ppl that did it to me from the kc fan club

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
yes that 's all illegal

Kelly-On tour! says:
PS

Kelly-On tour! says:
..IM TPONY

Kelly-On tour! says:
TONY*

Kelly-On tour! says:
unlce tony to you

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
well admit it

- Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
on the site

Kelly-On tour! says:
admit what

Kelly-On tour! says:
NEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

- Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
confess!

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
YOU HAVE TO

Kelly-On tour! says:
NEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Kelly-On tour! says:
I WILL NEVER

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
or I WILL CALL THE POLICE!!!!!!

Kelly-On tour! says:
KELLYS FAT
AND UGLY

Kelly-On tour! says:
okay

Kelly-On tour! says:
for what

Kelly-On tour! says:
becaus ei made fake email

-Jeff- Kelly is on my msn! says:
for impersonating Kelly Clarkson.

So that's the exact and official MSN transcript, so we have seen here you should not believe everything you read from these fools.

Please keep that in mind and I will do my best to "out" the rest of them

I feel this is part of the victory, and the proof of "24"'s is part of it as well.

If I can just get a confession from Art and Alan I will be home free.

At least we have a full confession caught, and we have more and more proof from 24 coming each day. I have also come across more proof about Pinky from internet websites as well.

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Read this to find out who the real CRIMINALS are!

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Art, sometimes you really make me sick how you side with criminals like Tony the Phony. I don't get it!!!

I never wanted panties you sicko-perverted-kelly clarkson stalker!

I know about you Art and you are a full out pervert. I talked to you for over a year.

Hey if you want to make fake postings about me go for it, I couldn't care less... but it makes you look like complete losers.

That wasn't even my name this Tony guy posted under.

Well , yes, what you said is true, people are posting fake documents so I am coming here to say that they are not true and it's a place to fight the people that did all of this to me like Tony, Art, Alan, Morgan, Pink, ect.

Now you are even trying to change my real age lol your just disgustingly perverted Art. What a joke these so-called "men" are.

Can't anyone see how stupid these guys are?????

Whatever I am not even a alicia fan, it makes no sense.

Art you owe ME an appology for lying to me for a year, pretending to be my friend, and forcing me to talk to you underage "ladies" but I knew they were bad news, and I didn't want to talk to them.

I am not a freak. What is up with your childish name calling. An adult WOULD NOT do that, so we know the Kelly Clarkson fan club hires underage people do do their dirty work. That should be under investigation and I will report it.

1) how were they different? not true! Both were hacked/stalked by Pinky.

2) not true, both reasons were for no reason.

3) Pinky vanished. He never spoke to me. I thought he was a criminal that they had to "let go". A lot of people e mailed me that Pinky Gonzalez is a criminal that had to go into hiding. But we found him!

4)You are a spin doctor.

5)For everyones information I tried to work this all out privately but Alan, Art, Pinky and the rest of the crew did not bother to listen to me.

6)Pinky is a criminal and needs to fess up. Ya I needed to speak to Pinky and he went undercover for reasons no one has even said.

7) A paid subscription is totally garbage if you steal the money and ban all the time without just cause.

8) Fan clubs DONT make money? That's Bull, they make a KILLING off poor people that happen to be fans. Fan clubs should NOT be acting this way. This is UNHEARD of, other then from ECHOMUSIC, HELLOECHO and CRIMINALECHO. ( please note changing the name does NOT change the criminal activity) In the long run I would say it would have been easier to work this all out by private message then on here... just an idea... and now people know Echomusic is a criminal outfit, which can't be good for business.

9) You state how the corporation you work for does everything to help everybody and treat them equal. MOST places do that when they can but fanclubs and websites like these are not huge companies and really do not profit so it is hard to work with all the less fortunate. The sites and fanclubs still cost money to run and websites and internet services are not cheap and with a lot of them really are not worth it. If you think alan and pinky are making fortunes from these sites I hate to tell you that is not the case. This is also the reason they only go so far with complaints that drag on, as it is not worth it and in the end is a lot cheaper to ban the problems. No that doesnt make it totally correct but look at both sides. The websites we are discussing are not major companies

10) Oh so Alan just hires any old criminal geek from the pool if crazy internet stalkers to work for him as a volunteer? I think he should at least screen these people, because I had to deal with crazy people like Art that stalked me for a year!!!! He PRETENDED to be my friend everyone PRETENDED. HE WAS PERVERTED TO ME!!!

Low? you call stalking me and calling me at all hours of the night not LOW art? Come on fess up!!!!

Yes of course we all want to be let on the boards of the fan club we are not the people you make us out to be!

CRIMINALS!

Jeff
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#21 Author of original report

Tony the Phoney is posting fake documents. We have the PROOF!

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Tony you must be 3 years old.

What is NAMBLA? Who is Uncle Jeff?

I don't get it?

Actually the world doesn't need you Tony, you are a disgusting pervert and I hope you get what is coming to you... I am sure you will.

As far as your postings go, they are not even from me. There was a guy online that wrote "FROM JEFF" after his posts and that's not me. For the record I didn't write any of that nonsense that Tony the Phony posted.

I write after my post just

Jeff

Like blah blah blah we have the proof and you don't.

Jeff
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Nice Work TONY and reply to 24

AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

Tony you did a great job with the patience to post all of uncle jeffs perverted postings. He also wanted me to buy him a pair of kelly's panties as a present for his 30th birthday present

We all know uncle jeff is going to deny this and you wrote them or modified them or these postings were pranks by friends. he never said any of that, he is innocent. POOR uncle jeff look how many people are willing to take their entire life and make stories up about him and modify his postings as proof or use his name to make fake usernames and post as him. As I said before this should be a bigger concern of his, I would be worried if all these people were out there posting obscene things and sexual comments using my name making me look like the pervert he is. I would dedicate my time to this and trying to clear my name. However since it was him he has no worry about it since he has nobody to go against. I also am impressed that tony was able to get jeffies b-day correct if he wrote all this. If I didnt know jeffs age and actually believe he is a 31 yr old virgin and I would guess him to be 21 or 22 and there was a boy named jeff stackhouse found guilty of sexual issues and served time in arizona, he was 14 when convicted and after serving time was put in a mental institution for some time. Ripoff will not allow links so just google jeff stackhouse arizona. Yes jeff I believe alan saying you are 31 and mental so this is not you, but so coincidental it is freaky. Is there any way you can prove the 2 of you are not related?

I also think the comments tony posted and the dates etc are legitimate, same thing for proof people, just google "jeff stackhouse" + "alicia silverstone" do notice the dates and how alan tony and I did NOT know jeff then. Notice the vancouver, b.c., canada, virgin comments, name and age all match jeffs postings here. If he still wants to blame us maybe we just hacked his computer out of random and made him entertainment before he even joined or got banned from kelly sites. Well that did NOT happen.

I also want to make note that I stated jeff owes the school an apology for their computer system being banned. I still dont feel bad that I reported jeff was in the chat room on kelly's birthday trying to be part of a "party", I informed alan and he was instantly in the chat room and told jeff he knew he was NOT supposed to be there and also told him BYE BYE, by website setup kicked him out of the chat room then banned the school ip range to prevent him trying again.Yes we say sorry to the others that they have the one thing in common with the freak and are punished for it, no apology to jeff though.

Jeff give up claiming all the proof of other people others post is modified. It is for that reason that I suggest people run the google search and can see them on the website directly. I doubt anyone reading this thread will believe that we started all of this with jeff almost 5 years ago, as some postings about alicia go back to 2003

I will post my full rebuttal after work, yes jeff I work and dont use paint by/color by numbers and do "art work" for a living. Tell mom and grandma hello and make sure to thank them for supporting you.

PS

24

I read your postings as well and will tell you there are a few thoughts for you that also make things totally different

1) Maybe things could have and should have been handled a little different then they were and things were extreme with you compared to jeff

2) I see you were at least offered a refund and turned down the offer, that was by your choice so again totally different situations and also shows totally unrelated reasons for for banning

3) Pinky did reply to you and it looks like pinky was trying to work with you but it turned out to be a disagreement that lead to a disagreement of how you wanted to handle things

4) The one posting stated that there were good chances it would lead to a banning but it was worth it so the posting could be made. Well the posting was made voluntarily and the price was paid but the posting was supposed to be worth it.

5) You could have stayed working via PM and not have had an issue. Being in the business world like you are (I dont call you a liar like jeff would being "opposite" sides) you should know that it is better issues be dealt with privately and you could have tried working it out directly. Jeff is learning that right now by starting things on the outside. He obviously expected to only have people that buy his story and willing to give him sympathy. He never expected alan or me to show up then to have others like tony see the entire story and able to solve it.

6) As with all businesses management has the final say, pinky was the manager of that "business". You know with your job if you disagree with your boss you should talk to the boss directly rather then with all co-workers. If your solution is discussing it with others and bad mouthing the boss your job is gone. It looks like the posting that was done via message board instead of PM did that here. It was made public and discussed with all other members/co-workers so out the door.

7) The issue of things becoming where paid subscription is required is a case that becomes a losing situation for some but at least not all. Once again with your business experience you know cost of business changes so raising of funds has to at times too. The membership fee can be charged and some no longer able to be members or keep it free and no money to keep the site/fan club running and NOBODY able to have access.

8) You state how the corporation you work for does everything to help everybody and treat them equal. MOST places do that when they can but fanclubs and websites like these are not huge companies and really do not profit so it is hard to work with all the less fortunate. The sites and fanclubs still cost money to run and websites and internet services are not cheap and with a lot of them really are not worth it. If you think alan and pinky are making fortunes from these sites I hate to tell you that is not the case. This is also the reason they only go so far with complaints that drag on, as it is not worth it and in the end is a lot cheaper to ban the problems. No that doesnt make it totally correct but look at both sides. The websites we are discussing are not major companies

I stated before I enjoy working with alan and being a member of his staff see things on both sides. Members do not have ANY clue what goes on behind the site. The site I help alan with is totally free to all members, does that mean he is provided everything free? Well the answer is NO, so what is done other then come up with ideas to raise money and a main source is getting businesses or other websites to post links on your site or if there is an online store to make a little but as alan has seen so many people say the will buy items, he then pays to have the items produced out of his pocket then when people change their mind it is at his expense until they others eventually sell. I see all the complaints come in and (including when jeff was part) and if things dont work out they can only be dealt with for so long. In the time of alans site existing there have been 3-5 times things were not corrected and people banned. Also make note that help is needed and if his help has to put up with this by the hour he will lose help too. ALL of the staff alan has help him is vounteer time. Non of this is seen by others and have no clue what is involved. There are plenty of members that think it would be amazing and so cool to be staff but all for a title, once involved plenty quit or just do nothing and are eventually removed.

So 24, it seems like things could have been done different and possible worked out a little differently. But, you still need to think of the facts I mentioned above and understand the parts not seen. There is also another big difference between you and jeff in that you are not as low as he is and you have not let it runi your life. In the end this is not a huge factor of your life that is going to kill you in the end like it is ready to do with jeff. Do you have any interest and really want to be allowed back on the boards or fanclub?
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ECHOMUSIC is run by immature criminals ( with proof)

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

John, Tony and Art, you are so immature all of you you all must be kids. You can't spell, you can't speak, and you can't even think straight.

Don't you dare rob me Art.

We have the proof the hacking was done by echomusic. I wrote Pinky, and his real name is Jonathan Jansen. We also have his real address and we can visit him to see why he did this.

Well some freinds turn out to be not so good friends? Right? I am sure we have all had that happen, people that trick other people? Sound familiar Art?

Well at least you admitted to hacking us Art. That is the first step, now all we have to do is get back on track.

Well I am not going to have any luck with recovering files. My computer didn't work any more after the hacking and I had to garbage it.

Why are you talking about butts again, thats all you ever do with me is try to get me to talk about buts, but that will not work.

I've got a few new things I am working on her to add to the proof. If you guys would not post for more then 4 minutes I could actually look over the proof and show you why it is true and important.

For gosh sake I am not bipolar you crazed shrink.

Avril Lavigne , Celine Dion,Shania Twain, Micheal Buble, Nelly Furtado, David Foster, Joni Mitchell, and Sum 41, and countless other groups totally outsell your lame attempts. Wow you have Micheal Jackson a petofile ....wow good job criminals. And you have Paris Hilton a porn star that does nothing good and is famous, and Britney, wow she is amazing the way she doesn't wear her underwear, you guys must be so proud of your artists...you don't see Canadians acting like that.

Kelly Clarkson ROCKS tho, and she does love Canada... so she rules.

I never have been/never will have any guilt, unlike you guys. We do have new proof coming. All the stuff we have on you is 100% real unlike all that doctored bs from you guys.

One last time, me and 24 were both hacked by the head of the KellyClarkson/ Terri Clark fan club . Same person, same company, same time, same situation. It's 100% legit...don't try to get out of it when we have proof. There is clearly support coming in for me now. If you can't see it, I guess you are just not reading the posts.

All I mean is that children can't spell, so I think all of you could be under the age of 12.

Also your friend John is very sexually perverted. Sexual talking from Art, Alan, Pinky, John, Tony , Morgan or any of the people at ECHO are absolutely not allowed to post more sexual comments on here. It is not permitted.
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ECHOMUSIC is run by immature criminals ( with proof)

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

John, Tony and Art, you are so immature all of you you all must be kids. You can't spell, you can't speak, and you can't even think straight.

Don't you dare rob me Art.

We have the proof the hacking was done by echomusic. I wrote Pinky, and his real name is Jonathan Jansen. We also have his real address and we can visit him to see why he did this.

Well some freinds turn out to be not so good friends? Right? I am sure we have all had that happen, people that trick other people? Sound familiar Art?

Well at least you admitted to hacking us Art. That is the first step, now all we have to do is get back on track.

Well I am not going to have any luck with recovering files. My computer didn't work any more after the hacking and I had to garbage it.

Why are you talking about butts again, thats all you ever do with me is try to get me to talk about buts, but that will not work.

I've got a few new things I am working on her to add to the proof. If you guys would not post for more then 4 minutes I could actually look over the proof and show you why it is true and important.

For gosh sake I am not bipolar you crazed shrink.

Avril Lavigne , Celine Dion,Shania Twain, Micheal Buble, Nelly Furtado, David Foster, Joni Mitchell, and Sum 41, and countless other groups totally outsell your lame attempts. Wow you have Micheal Jackson a petofile ....wow good job criminals. And you have Paris Hilton a porn star that does nothing good and is famous, and Britney, wow she is amazing the way she doesn't wear her underwear, you guys must be so proud of your artists...you don't see Canadians acting like that.

Kelly Clarkson ROCKS tho, and she does love Canada... so she rules.

I never have been/never will have any guilt, unlike you guys. We do have new proof coming. All the stuff we have on you is 100% real unlike all that doctored bs from you guys.

One last time, me and 24 were both hacked by the head of the KellyClarkson/ Terri Clark fan club . Same person, same company, same time, same situation. It's 100% legit...don't try to get out of it when we have proof. There is clearly support coming in for me now. If you can't see it, I guess you are just not reading the posts.

All I mean is that children can't spell, so I think all of you could be under the age of 12.

Also your friend John is very sexually perverted. Sexual talking from Art, Alan, Pinky, John, Tony , Morgan or any of the people at ECHO are absolutely not allowed to post more sexual comments on here. It is not permitted.
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#25 Author of original report

ECHOMUSIC is run by immature criminals ( with proof)

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

John, Tony and Art, you are so immature all of you you all must be kids. You can't spell, you can't speak, and you can't even think straight.

Don't you dare rob me Art.

We have the proof the hacking was done by echomusic. I wrote Pinky, and his real name is Jonathan Jansen. We also have his real address and we can visit him to see why he did this.

Well some freinds turn out to be not so good friends? Right? I am sure we have all had that happen, people that trick other people? Sound familiar Art?

Well at least you admitted to hacking us Art. That is the first step, now all we have to do is get back on track.

Well I am not going to have any luck with recovering files. My computer didn't work any more after the hacking and I had to garbage it.

Why are you talking about butts again, thats all you ever do with me is try to get me to talk about buts, but that will not work.

I've got a few new things I am working on her to add to the proof. If you guys would not post for more then 4 minutes I could actually look over the proof and show you why it is true and important.

For gosh sake I am not bipolar you crazed shrink.

Avril Lavigne , Celine Dion,Shania Twain, Micheal Buble, Nelly Furtado, David Foster, Joni Mitchell, and Sum 41, and countless other groups totally outsell your lame attempts. Wow you have Micheal Jackson a petofile ....wow good job criminals. And you have Paris Hilton a porn star that does nothing good and is famous, and Britney, wow she is amazing the way she doesn't wear her underwear, you guys must be so proud of your artists...you don't see Canadians acting like that.

Kelly Clarkson ROCKS tho, and she does love Canada... so she rules.

I never have been/never will have any guilt, unlike you guys. We do have new proof coming. All the stuff we have on you is 100% real unlike all that doctored bs from you guys.

One last time, me and 24 were both hacked by the head of the KellyClarkson/ Terri Clark fan club . Same person, same company, same time, same situation. It's 100% legit...don't try to get out of it when we have proof. There is clearly support coming in for me now. If you can't see it, I guess you are just not reading the posts.

All I mean is that children can't spell, so I think all of you could be under the age of 12.

Also your friend John is very sexually perverted. Sexual talking from Art, Alan, Pinky, John, Tony , Morgan or any of the people at ECHO are absolutely not allowed to post more sexual comments on here. It is not permitted.
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#26 Author of original report

ECHOMUSIC is run by immature criminals ( with proof)

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

John, Tony and Art, you are so immature all of you you all must be kids. You can't spell, you can't speak, and you can't even think straight.

Don't you dare rob me Art.

We have the proof the hacking was done by echomusic. I wrote Pinky, and his real name is Jonathan Jansen. We also have his real address and we can visit him to see why he did this.

Well some freinds turn out to be not so good friends? Right? I am sure we have all had that happen, people that trick other people? Sound familiar Art?

Well at least you admitted to hacking us Art. That is the first step, now all we have to do is get back on track.

Well I am not going to have any luck with recovering files. My computer didn't work any more after the hacking and I had to garbage it.

Why are you talking about butts again, thats all you ever do with me is try to get me to talk about buts, but that will not work.

I've got a few new things I am working on her to add to the proof. If you guys would not post for more then 4 minutes I could actually look over the proof and show you why it is true and important.

For gosh sake I am not bipolar you crazed shrink.

Avril Lavigne , Celine Dion,Shania Twain, Micheal Buble, Nelly Furtado, David Foster, Joni Mitchell, and Sum 41, and countless other groups totally outsell your lame attempts. Wow you have Micheal Jackson a petofile ....wow good job criminals. And you have Paris Hilton a porn star that does nothing good and is famous, and Britney, wow she is amazing the way she doesn't wear her underwear, you guys must be so proud of your artists...you don't see Canadians acting like that.

Kelly Clarkson ROCKS tho, and she does love Canada... so she rules.

I never have been/never will have any guilt, unlike you guys. We do have new proof coming. All the stuff we have on you is 100% real unlike all that doctored bs from you guys.

One last time, me and 24 were both hacked by the head of the KellyClarkson/ Terri Clark fan club . Same person, same company, same time, same situation. It's 100% legit...don't try to get out of it when we have proof. There is clearly support coming in for me now. If you can't see it, I guess you are just not reading the posts.

All I mean is that children can't spell, so I think all of you could be under the age of 12.

Also your friend John is very sexually perverted. Sexual talking from Art, Alan, Pinky, John, Tony , Morgan or any of the people at ECHO are absolutely not allowed to post more sexual comments on here. It is not permitted.
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Some of Jeff's blog postings to minors

AUTHOR: Tony - (U.S.A.)

Below are logs I found on Jeff gets really weird, and gets really shocking, the rest is all Jeff below (This one is on an Alicia Silverstone Blog, calls himself "jeffstacky"):

forums.comingsoon.net/archive/index.php/t-12276.html

04-24-2003, 06:38 PM
Has Any body seen J -LO in Kamloops BC? Man I am not gonna stalk her at all but I would give anything to see those buns!!!

Tell me if you see her!!

From Jeff

04-25-2003, 05:25 AM
HAHAAHHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

Very Hilarious!!!

That's the only pic that anyone ever sends me...out of the billions of hot hot sexy sexy alicia pics you just happen to send that one.....It's ok I take it with a grain of salt....

You want sexy I'll give you super hella sex kitten sexy!!! How you you post picture I want to show you something!!!


From Jeff:clown: :rolleyes: ;)

04-25-2003, 05:03 PM
Can somebody explian how you put a picture on here I am seriously gonna prove everyone totally wong....all of us have had a bad pic taken right?

Anyways I like anything that is in Alicia mouth!

From Jeff:applaud:

04-25-2003, 09:48 PM
I see a lot has gone on here in the last couple hours!!!

You guys settle down... I know Alicia is hot but I didn't know you would be spending every waking hour here!!!

Anyways yes Iben thanks for the lovely pics!!!

Very lovely as always!!!!!

From Jeff:applaud:

PS: Anyone that puts hooooot pics of Alicia should never be banned!:eek:

PPS: CHECK OUT THE THREAD EVER MET A CELEBRITY?:);)

I met lots!

PSSS: Has anyone in Vancouver seen Alicia? There has been a lot of sightings!!!!

04-27-2003, 08:04 PM
hey there I have alicia porn

so you have any ?
From Jeff

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04-28-2003, 04:53 PM
Hehe lol ya ya sure it is !

LOLLLLLLLL


Anyways I was trying to get a reaction!...hehe


Anyways... Ya like I have alicia porn;) ;)

JeffStacky
04-30-2003, 05:57 PM
Yup this thread is on fire no matter what anybody says...I really didn't know that Alicia would be such a debated topic...I have fun here....

Um did you all check out the new pics I found OMG they could not be hotter!

Oh ya I am trying to buy Alicia's Panties the pink ones (most famous) in the Rolling Stone photos...if anyone knows there whereabouts I would love to buy them

Thanks

From Jeff

05-01-2003, 03:24 PM
First off I am not a stalker I could have met Alicia many times but didn't... I wanted to meet her tho yes but I could have seen her many times in NY and Toronto as well...anyways every person has thier special type and mine is Alicia.

Don't run too Far lol

Peace Jeff

05-02-2003, 05:53 AM
Very funny guys I have proof I am not a stalker...I saw Vanilla Ice at a club in Vancouver and after it I saw Alicia there....I didn't know what to do....so I left without saying anything to her.....I wanted to have a perfect moment with her and I just gave up a perfect chance to meet the girl of my dreams....I am so heartbroken...

From Jeff:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

05-02-2003, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by Kris Hodgson
My question is......what the hell is Alicia Silverstone doing at a Vanilla Ice Concert? What the hell is ANYONE doing at a Vanilla Ice Concert?!?!?!!

Kris Kris...girls love Robert Van Winkle....They want him bad...not sure why she was there....I was there to basically see a hip hop legend up close and personal... I was kinda hoping to see Alicia somewhere other then there....but that is life....

I just had an amazing dream about Alicia because I was so sad to miss the oppertunity to meet her.

In my dream I got to finally meet her...It was amazing her eyes were ever more beautiful in person and her nose was twice as cute. Her lips were pouty and wet..:heart: She didn't want to have anything to do with me at first and barely answered my questions, but when I relaxed around her and my true feelings about her came out she realized that everything I had to say was coming straight from my heart....she then started to relax and realized that I was not some "Stalker" or crazed fan and that I was cool and nice and she even started to enjoy my company... she realized that my love was real for her.

She was doing plays in the dream which I think was a reference to "The Graduate" and see also was having a special anniversary talk about "Clueless"

If dreams mean anything, this may be a good sign and she is even more prettier in person.:heart: :heart: (if that is possible!):heart: :heart:

Peace out YUP YUP,

From Jeff

05-04-2003, 07:09 PM
Originally posted by Clark Savage Jr
No offence meant Jeff, but are you out of your frickin mind? Even being older, BO is 100 times hotter than Pam or Anna.

Pam is so fake looking it's unbeleivable. There is more plastic in her than a Mattel toy factory....and makeup, Tammy Fay Baker borrows from her when she runs out.

Anna Nicole has one of two expressions on her face at all times. First she looks like a Downs Syndrome kid just given a shiny new toy, or second, she looks like a one year old dooing doody in her pants.

Bo is classy. Sure her movies suck, but I'm talking about the woman herself. She is a real...natural...beautiful...woman. Those other two need to take lessons from her.

I thought that since you appreciated the beauty and sweetness of Alicia so much you would be against the artificial trailer trash set.

Oh well, I'll still keep a look out for ya...happy hunting.


Awwww Clark I am not against you...I am with you... totally...I never have enemies...just freinds...or alicia fan pals, or celeb fan pals...whatever the case may be.

If you can't find Alicia...which is the main task can you please look out for her panties ...oh man that would rule to have them!

Also, I have a new strategy ok basically I am looking for people who know Alicia personally...( a cousin, friend, third cousin twice removed...whatever) If so , I would like to talk to you. I want to chat with you and then hopefully we can be friends and then you can help my dream of meeting Alicia become a reality.

So ya if you know Alicia or her family or friends....or her half sister kazi or her brother ben(all in the entertainment industry), please write me! I am just a fan with a big dream...Please try to help me....


Take Care Clark...

PS:....OK Pam sucks..... wayyyyy too fake... the b***s are nice but she is kinda lame, Anna Nicole is nasty as hell and sucks bad...and Bo... well ok ...she is old but I didn't say she sucked...she is classy...it's all good. (agreed?)

From Alicia's biggest fan

Jeff

PPS: Thanks everyone who is keeping a look out for me! THX!

:applaud: :eek: :D :) :p :funny: :grin: :heart: :clapper:

JeffStacky
05-13-2003, 05:38 AM
Originally posted by Heavenllee
LOL!

Don't worry I won't stalk you Heavenlee....unless you are Alicia hehehehehe

Totally Kidding

From Jeff:clown: :clown: :clown:

05-16-2003, 02:54 AM
Originally posted by evilsquishy
You really gotta wonder why this guy can't get a date except for over the internet......

Hey lots of girls find me hot and sexy and cute ....I think they get mad when I talk about Alicia though... Anyways a lot of people find dates of the internet these days...it's not like it's a new concept.

From Jeff ( the sexy hot guy without a date and no Alicia to boot)

:) ;) :) ;) :) ;) :) ;) :) ;)

06-02-2003, 12:47 AM
ohhhhhhhhhhhh perfect....I think my brain would be so happy all wrapped in perfection....alicia is the perfect drug.

Thanks again Clark,
From Jeff.

JeffStacky
06-05-2003, 07:10 PM
Yes I love you Heavenlee you are like alicia I bet and I love that!!! maybe you could come over sometime if you like...if not send me a pic....I will be waiting hunny sweet buns.

I dunno yet guys if Heavenlee loves me or if there is a love connection yet... not sure...maybe it's up to heavenlee my sweetie pie.

06-21-2003, 09:50 PM
I know what you are saying but I am very shy and the only gurl that I can really love is a girl that I don't really know and I picked alicia to be that special girl ...I know she isn't with me and of course most guys wish she was , but the point is that I need a girl and I don't have one so I think about alicia more then I should I guess, but I am just her #1 fan and yes I do feel I love her more then anyone I know, but I don't know many people and for the people I do know,...none of them are female and I am a virgin ok ...so ya... I am handsome nice sexy 27 and a virgin... I am not upset with myself I just wish I could go to bed with alicia each night and not just go to bed with a stinking picture.

Anyways, I am sure there are other guys that feel similar to me, it's hard to admit, but I have not had sex, and I want to and alicia is part of my life...even tho I don't know her.

From Jeff

06-24-2003, 03:30 AM
Originally posted by Clark Savage Jr
A word of advice Jeff....when you see a girl you like, take a deep breath, count to 30 in a leisurely pace, then slowly let it out. Go over to her, look her in the eyes, and say.....Hi.

If she doesn't turn away in disgust (it could happen for any number of reasons)....start a slow, low key conversation about something in your general area. Jumping into a conversation talking too fast or loud scares people.....work on talking slow (not slow enough to be thought retarded though).

I know that interaction with the opposite sex can be scarey. For some people, talking to a girl and not scaring her off and making yourself look idiotic isn't easy. The best way not to do this is....be calm.

And as for Alicia....she's cute to me....but too young. I like the older women more (since I'm about to turn 46 you may get why).

Good luck bud. :)

Well I am good looking , nice , a virgin, sweet ,and caring, so what else does a girl want... I guess more then me.

I think they like bad boys. Not nice caring lovable guys...but then again I never talk to girls so it's hard for them to know what they are missing.

Like I met this girl today and omg I mean I don't like her at all. She "DID" 11 guys behind her bf's back (at different times) in the last year and she tells me if he finds out she will cry because she loves him to much... I mean like omg she is 18... she "DID" it lots with tons of guys, I have never held a girls hand or flirted at all and I am 26! (27 on JULY 11th!) It makes me feel bad that girls don't want me bad like they want the other guys... plus there is nothing wrong with me except for the nervousness. I am not "slow" not fast, just about right I think...if I could talk. I will try the deep breath count to 30 and let it out slowly approach... I really think it may help me somewhat. Calm is the key word I need to remember. I'll try that out on girls I see...it ain't gonna work when and if I meet alicia tho...I am gonna either die, or make myself look like a super freak.

Well I like the cutie pie celeb girls not too old I like them 20ish.

Well I hope I am not a virgin too much longer ....if Alicia sees this I just hope that she may want to help me out with the problem...that would be the best way to go from virgin to NON virgin ... when I make the transition.

Thanks Clarke!!!:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

07-26-2003, 09:56 PM
Well over at the celebs and stalking thread there is some dissing going on and I thought that people who like me and alicia over here would like to hear some dope lyrics that I wrote for that thread so without further ado,
here is

FUCCK OFF

By Jeff Stackhouse

((((((right on man (and a stupid clapping icon)
NEVER SAY DIE (varian's tag)
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JeffStacky
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Registered: Apr 2003
Location: mission B.C.
Posts: 185))))))

Varian don't clap I have a life
blah blah all of you don't know me
yah thats right
so I love alicia and all of you
what are you scared I will stalk you too?
Come on make sense I wanted her panties when I was a teen,
If she wanted to give me them now I would say no "that's obscene"

So to any of you that think I am a stalker or think that I am gay and have sex with Paul Walker

You better relax because I am not a bad person, I don't stalk, I don't suck and I don't like cursein'

I never say die cause Varian told me not too,
So peace out, have a nice day, and here's a big FUCCK you!


From Jeff
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Remember that is just for the haters and not for the people who truly do care about me and it goes out to all alicia fans as well!

From Jeff

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07-31-2003, 06:34 PM
Originally posted by Rebecca
Seriously Jeff, i understand what you are saying but, you did say that you don't understand why no one else loves Alicia the way you do! maybe it is because they don't see Alicia the way you do. And yes, i'm sure that you are a sweet guy, but people have there own tastes in men and women.take me for example, i like both men and women. i really like Kirsten Dunst, but i'm not going to obsses over her. other people on here have there own choice.we all know how much you love her but, maybe they find it weird that you are loving someone who they are not interested in at all. If it means something to ya, i think Alicia has nice eyes.;)

Oh cool you like men and woman! SWEET! Invite a gal if you want and come see me I would like that very much...I am a virgin tho so be slow ok ? Ya KD is a cute I like her as well...don't obsess over her tho. Awwwwwwww Ya Alicia's eyes are dreamy ...I love them so much...green too ...so rare!

I love blondes with green eyes I think that is my fave thing!

Anyways thanks for your post...take care sweets...

From Jeff

Originally posted by Rebecca
Jeff, you really need to stop telling people how much of a virgin you are.It's cool and all but, chill a little bit kay? don't worry, i'm not hate'n on you. why don't you post a pic. of yourself on this thread. i really want to see what you look like............please??????????

I don't like being a virgin!
Can't you come over sometime and see me or somthing , not ta do me , but just to hug me or something?

Well I'll send you a pic...it's pretty good, but I want better ones cause I took it of me myself and well I just put out my arm and took the pic it's kinda distorted cause I look better then in the pic in real life but en ways I took just one pic and that is all I have. My camera broke as soon as I got it and it was a prize so like I am screwed.


Rebecca when are you gonna start sending me e mails?

Sorry about talking about being a virgin but hey what can I say it's true and I want to not be one.

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#28 Consumer Comment

Very Funny John, and Yes I still think UNCLE JEFF is a Pedophile and member of NAMBLA!!!

AUTHOR: Tony - (U.S.A.)

First off everyone, I will now refer to Jeff as Uncle Jeff since he is a molester. Yes John I agree, Uncle Jeff is probably a member of the NAMBLA.

Uncle Jeff claims I am 12 years old. Sorry Uncle Jeff I am not 12 years old, I am over the age of 19. I know Uncle Jeff too bad, eh? we all know you like to get turned on by underage boys and girls, eh?

Uncle Jeff you are really sick in the head.

Uncle Jeff have you seen the online petition against you? It is called "No More Jeff Stackhouse" it is on a domain called "petition spot." It appears Uncle Jeff that you have a lot of people upset with you, that think your a pervert and a pedophile. I can see that Alan and Art are not the only people out there that have had to deal with you. I think I will sign the petition, as I don't like what Uncle Jeff is doing to people or minors online.
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#29 Consumer Comment

The Truth to the child ( Tony) he is a kid.

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

And that's what keeps you coming back isn't it? You are so aroused right now you don't know what to do. I'm sure you rub one out right after reading his posts. It can be seem in your stuttering posts. Tony will never join you in your nambla group pedoboy.
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#30 UPDATE EX-employee responds

For The Love Of GOD

AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

I really laugh that you are so blind and were robbed another $30. It just proves you still dont understand to this date.

Can you please explain hacked to me? I honestly dont think you have any clue what that means or what it would take. Do you understand cookies (not the kind cookie monster eats) and where they come from? If you have not run disk cleanup on your computer that recently check your cookie file and you will have in excess of 25,000. I am sure any porno one or kelly related were planted by someone who "hacked" into yours.

If the documents about you and your postings are fake on other message boards you should be even more concerned there then the issue taking place here and be going after those people legally. With the comments being posted it makes you look even worse then here and has your name out there saying go after your friends for slander, what great friends. The only thing that shows this wrong is all message boards can be track postings and they were tracked to your ip address. Being provided an ip address or having your ip address from a posting doesnt mean you were hacked either. If you know the least bit you can pull a persons ip address from any email sent to you. Get out your ip addresses and track them. There are all sorts of sites on the internet that let you track them for free. OH, I forgot when alan pinky and I hacked your computer we deleted those too. If you had so much info that was deleted you can get it back. go buy the program called getdataback by runtime and it can recover files that were there even if your computer was formatted. It takes a true HARD (that is a type of format) format to erase everything and make it not recoverable. See there I am trying to help you and I have had great luck with the program.

I also like that you have now changed tony to the hacker. Just your computer or your computer email and myspaces? I like your url on myspace being holla4bob with bob being butts

Also know that I, alan, tony, pinky, morgan and most every other person posting on this site know there is the side of you that you dont seem to know yourself, as has been said either biploar or split personality.

I like your challenge and would love to take you on if you want to make a battle of countries, whether law or music. How can you forget Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood both americans and doing quiet well. Do you want to make list to compare? Dont even start another issue or try starting something to hide your other guilt.

If everyone from the fan club, other then pinky and alan, thought you were amazing and they are both gone you should NOT have ANY problem getting back in, so try it and send another $30 to lose.

Please get the real inside stuff on echo and provide links, but not to ones you or your friends make fake postings under echos name like they did to you (lmao).

One last time know that 24 being banned and you being banned are NOT related. Different people, different situations, different fan clubs, different people, and I believe 24 said she is NOT defending you she is just pointing out her experience with echo. So NO support from her and only a company name in common.

check out the program it truly is amazing with recovering files and pictures.

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ps: with all the complaining you do and hpw you always say this is a professional site and criticize others just know your grammar and spelling is terrible in these postings.


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Here ya go

AUTHOR: 24 - (U.S.A.)

Ok guys,
Here is some of what I have. There is alot more where this came from. Notice the dates on the posts from Terri's website and the dates from Pinkys letters. Queen is my best friend.
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WELL,, I HAVE TALKED WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY DID'NT REALIZE QUEEN & ME HAD BEEN BANNED FROM THE TERRI CLARK ONLINE FC AND OTHERS SAY THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. WELL, NEITHER DO WE. SO, I WILL POST ALL THE INFO HERE ON THIS THREAD FOR ALL TO SEE. I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE FIRST PM WE RECIEVED FROM PINKY WAS SENT TO 8 FC MEMBERS WITH DEAR QUEEN IN ALL OF THEM.
THE PM WAS SENT TO ALL OF US WHO REPLYED TO A POST THAT QUEEN MADE AND SAID THE WORD "s**t" AND TO LET YOU KNOW,, AFTER SENDING US A PM,, HE THEN MAKES A BOARD RULES AND GUIDELINES LOCKED THREAD ON THE TC FORUM.
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THIS POST WILL REAMIN HERE FOR A FEW DAYS.

Private Messages :: Terri Clark Message Board
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Pinky
Joined Aug 2004
Posted 8/22/2004 4:05 PM
Dear Queen,
It is clear that you are unhappy about this
Message board being edited for content. We do
This to ensure that it is a family friendly and
Enjoyable place for fan club members of all ages
To participate, including Terri's own underage
Family members.
Because we understand that you may not have
Realized the nature of this board when you
Joined the new online fan club, we'd like to
Offer you a refund of your subscription fee and
The discontinuation of your membership if you are unhappy about this new policy. Should you
Choose to remain a member of the club, we ask
That you abide by the three simple rules we have
Now posted in this thread on the board.
Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
Please let me know if I can answer any questions
You may have or otherwise be of assistance.
-Pinky Gonzales
Administrator
www.TerriClark.com

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Pinky
Joined Aug 2004
Posted 8/22/2004 4:09 PM
Hey 24,
I just sent a letter to you that was incorrectly
Addressed to "Queen." The message was intended
For you. Please excuse the typo.
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Originally Sent : 8/22/2004 11:07:20 PM GMT by 24
HEY PINKY,,

NO OFFENSE TOWARDS YOU IN ANYWAY OK..YOU ARE
DOING THE JOB YOU WERE HIRED TO DO. NEITHER
QUEEN NOR ME WANT A REFUND FROM THE FAN CLUB AND
NEITHER HAVE WE SAID THAT.
THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE UPSETTING ALOT OF FC
MEMBERS THESE DAYS,,ESPECIALLY US MEMBERS WHO
HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH HER CLUB FOR YEARS..I
HAVE BEEN IN TERRI'S FC FOR 9 YEARS..I REALIZE
ALOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE CHANGE,, BUT HAVING
TERRI'S FC ONLY ONLINE IS DISAPPOINTING TO US.
YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT,, WE ALWAYS LOOKED
FORWARD TO RECIEVING NEWSLETTERS BY MAIL,,AND
FAN CLUB PACKETS WITH OUR RENEWALS..WELL, NOW
THAT IS ALL HISTORY AND ALL WE HAVE IS A MESSAGE
BOARD AND CHAT WHICH USED TO BE FREE. YES, WE
ENJOY THE LIVE JOURNALS,,BUT RAISING THE FC
MEMBERSHIP AND NOT RECIEVING ANYTHING IN THE
MAIL ANYMORE AND HAVE TO PAY TO READ MESSAGES N
SO FORTH WAS JUST SPRUNG ON US ALL WITHOUT
WARNING. THAT IS NOT YOUR FAULT,, THAT SHOULD
HAVE BEEN TAKEN CARE OF BY CINDY OR DONNA BEFORE
THE NEW FAN CLUB CHANGES TOOK PLACE..
ALL TERRI CLARK FAN CLUB MEMBERS SHOULD HAVE
BEEN SENT THE SAME LETTER INFORMING US OF THE
CHANGES....
IN MY OPINION,, THIS IS ONLY GONNA HURT TC'S FC.
I WANT ONLY THE BEST FOR HER.. AFTER ALL, THAT'S
WHY WE'RE ALL HERE ON THE BOARD.. WE ARE FANS!!
AND QUEEN JUST USED THE WORD ::s**t"" AS
REFRENCE TO SOMETHING.. I MEAN LOOK AT SOME OF
TERRI'S JOURNALS.. SHE CUSSED IN SEVERAL OF
THEM,, AND PEOPLE WILL BE VIEWING THAT..
SO, I DON'T WANT YOU TO TAKE ALL THIS PERSONAL
LIKE I SAID BEFORE..
THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF ME AND QUEEN..
24
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Posted 8/22/2004 5:24 PM
I understand completely, 24. By no means is it
our intention to upset Terri's most loyal and
longest-lasting fans, and we really appreciate
your efforts to make the best of the change.
While there certainly is a difference between an
online club vs. off, I can tell you that the
offline club was in terrible disaray when Terri
hired us to revamp the club. We're now able to
respond to virtually every request, online and
off, in addition to producing videos (not just
journals), the upcoming voicemail messages from
Terri, a far superior meet and greet system and
VIP tickets, as soon as she's off the road with
Toby. Top that with monthly eNewsletters and a
well-maintained online community, and the result
is a more enjoyable, more valuable experience
for everyone here.
I think our biggest concern recently is that a
few members have felt the need to start negative
conversations ABOUT the club on the board,
including the issue with censorship. We're not
editing posts randomly. We're only editing
those that are either intended to rally fans
against the new changes, include swearing, or do
not meet the very basic requests we've listed in
the "Board Guidelines" post. Anyone who has
sent us comments or questions directly, via PM,
has been responded to. We've taken several
suggestions into consideration and will continue
to expand and improve the benefits of membership
for everyone involved.
Thanks again for your input and for responding
to us directly. If you'd ever like to share
your concerns or ask us a question, we're here
for you. As a longtime member of Terri's club,
we'd sure appreciate your help building and
maintaining a club that everyone can enjoy.


Warmest Regards,
Pinky Gonzales
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NOW,, HERE IS THE POST THAT GOT THAT GOING.. ALL CAUSE QUEEN SAID "s**t"
Hang in there tiger and take good care of yourself. I am sure you are having the time of your life, but there are times where you need time just for you. I hope you get to have some solitude on the road, and that you are getting plenty of rest to balance out your work time and play time. I am sure you have some days that you feel like "s**t" lol's, and that there are times that you would love to live that "normal life". I feel for you going all the time, and trying to stay up for every concert and feel good about yourself day in and day out with everyone wathcing you all the time. Always remember that TERRI is human with feelings. and a BIG passionate heart. Take care of yourself, and know that we all want you to keep a STRONG head on your shoulders, and STAND your ground in every situation that comes along your way. Stay TRUE to TERRI no matter what!
Later, love and light, Shaunda "Queen"

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Reply #1 on Jun 24, 2005, 9:52am

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HERE IS A COPY OF THE POST THAT WAS MADE IN NOVEMBER.
Yvonne, Pinky , Donna and others in the organization,

I have heard and read so many negative feedbacks from chat and the message board about threatening letters "which I have received one myself not to long ago" about if you don't like this format then we will reimburse you in full. I really don't want another letter like that sent to me just for voicing my opinion. So here it goes!

I work with a Corporation and the company is HUGE World wide. We know who to go to and who is in charge of certain areas with our company. Why is it that when these fans ask questions they get the run around that "we are not in charge of that". That to me is not customer satisfaction. I know for a fact if I said that to one of my customers I would have a "pink slip" or a door to hit me in my tush. So therefore it would be professional of you all to let these fans know each others title and what you can help them with in the future instead of the fans getting the run around. I for one would make sure that Dave would be able to enter another contest " and you make sure he is eintered" instead of telling him to try again.... That's just my opinion.

The other question that has been roaming around with frustration is why are the tour dates not updated on "The Fan SITE" before they are posted on other sites or tickets have already gone on sale?

Here is another question. Why can't the fans NO longer receive a picture, key chain, bumper sticker or magnet when joining the fan club? There are members that are leaving due to the fact of something so little that is so BIG to them...... Me I don't care about receiving any of these items, but there are die hard fans in this fan club that it is a BIG DEAL and they are upset that they are being charged for the online news, message board, and chat that used to be FREE. Therefore nothing has taken the place of the items that used to be received as a fan club member.

I for one can say just send out something to the fans. There are people that have been a Terri Clark fan from day one that are paying their dues but do not have a computer. Think about the ones that still support Terri but can't not afford to be online. It's nice to go forth with the future, but always remember the ones that are less fortunate are the ones that are not being able to enjoy and stay updated with Terri's career. For exampel there is a lady that is in Terri's fan club that is disabled and is on a fixed income, and does not have a computer or even access to a computer. She has paid her money to join the fan club only to find out a couple months later that she will not be receiving items that she did in the past with her membership. With my profession I face circumstances with families every day where one family can afford everything and the other family has no resources. I make sure that every family it treated equal and they will have customer satisfaction. Every human being deserves that NO MATTER WHAT is written in BLACK and WHITE.

I am just sharing others frustrations that will not come forth, but I will take my chance of getting a letter saying that I am no longer able to be a part of this site. These are just basic questions that need to be addressed.
Thanks for your time and understanding.

Sincerely, Shaunda "Queen"
God Bless You all
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NOW,, I REPLYED AGREEING WITH QUEEN,, AND I WAS AMOUNG 30 OTHERS REPLYING,, BUT ONLY US 2 WERE BANNED.

NOW,,, YOU JOIN A FC TO SUPPORT AN ARTIST,, NOT TO BE RIDICULED OVER YOUR OPINION.
LATER, 2 FRIENDS OF OURS WERE SUSPENDED FROM THE FC, CAUSE THEY TOOK UP FOR US.
IS THIS A WAY TO RUN A FC? HERE IS THE EMAILS WE GOT ABOUT OUR BANNING.

I regret to inform you that your account on
TerriClark.com has been discontinued. On August 22nd we
had a conversation via private message in which you had
an opportunity to express your concerns about the new
club. I explained that the current format was chosen by,
and ultimately managed by, Terri herself. You agreed to
keep things positive on the board, and to communicate
with the site administrators directly if you had a
grievance. Instead, you have chosen to air your
complaints publicly, inciting negative conversations
about the club itself and criticizing those who manage
the club. I am truly sorry that it has come to this, but
with Terri's consent, along with her management company
and all three site administrators, you have been
permanently banned from the Terri Clark Fan Club.
Queen has been removed for the same reason. I'm sorry
it didn't work out.
Pinky Gonzales
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ART: It was made clear to me that you do have a sexual problem when on msn sending me perverted photos.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Art, I do think it should come to an end, yes, but like I said, I made the report and it is up to me to monitor it and respond to lies or truths, whatever comes up.

Art you had a TON of sexual problems when I talked to you on msn, please don't deny that fact. I am sorry to tell you Art that you are lying, if you didn't realize it.

Sorry Alan has no documents on me. And Art has none. Also there are no Disney documents unless they are fakes.

If I DID say anything to anyone I CLEARLY did NOT know the AGES, AND was TRICKED by ART, CLEARLY TRICKED. I REMEMBER THIS CLEARLY!

Yes you should apologize to me and to the school Art. Thank you for that. ( at least)

Ya Kelly is a great person and I am sure the school would like to learn more about Kelly.

Hey Art, it takes 2 to tango and you are Alan are actually making things WORSE. If you want to stop be my guest.


What does "notice none of us have nothing compared to jeff" even mean???, Art, you can't even put together a proper sentence. I am a University graduate at the top of my class 2 years in a row. I know I am smarter then all 3 of you combined.

I have a good question, what are people who can't spell or even make sense working for someone like Kelly Clarkson in the first place.

Kelly if you want your sentences on your site to make sense hire me and ditch the criminals.
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Reply To Karen Marie. Thanks but please don't buy into these people.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Hello there KarenMarie,

I am Jeff.

Well if we could get somewhere the rest would have come long ago, right?

No, nothing I have ever said online has or will ever be close to being criminal. I will speak my mind yes, but it will never be sexist or not nice.

Actually I am just fine Karen... make sure to not belive everything you hear online.

A lot of people say Kelly Clarkson is a l*****n, but I know she is not, but there will always be a few people out there that will try to make it look like she is one... you sort of have you use your own brain.

Well you could be in a mental institute for all I know so your comments have no merit.

I have a TON of self respect. These guys just make me respect myself more and more the more they say about me.

Karen, I don't think Tony Art and Alan are even adults ,they can't be the adults if they are not even of age.

I agree Alan Art and Tony are very immature. I try to tell them to not reply but they do over and over again, then because it's my report, I am sort of obligated to reply.. even if what they say is totally ridiculous.

Ya, no doubt, at least I proofread and make sense, they can't even spell "the" or "nelly".

I am certainly not immature.

Pinky, well, he is who I should have asked to talk to in the beginning, we have his real name, address and all of that so it will be looked into.

I agree, that these three people ( who claim to be adults) are very very immature.

Not that I am taking the low road here, but I wish they would do like you said and be responsible adults.

Thank you for your comment, you did get some of it wrong, but a lot about Alan Art and Tony was right on the money.
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The Truth to the child ( Tony) he is a kid.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Tony are you by any chance a 12 year old? You sound very immature and you are also very annoying.

No I didn't post any Alicia blogs.

Please say Nelly's name right NELLY FURTADO... you U.S. people.. gosh.

I went to the US all I saw was GIANT NELLY posters down there.. show us the love the rest of the US does please folks.

I have never lied once on here and never will. I promise you all that.

Never said Sexual stuff... too bad it didn't happen.

24 knows the lies of the Kelly Clarkson fan club, she has the proof.

Clark/Clarkson who cares, is the same person hacking fans, and it's illegal.

If you are skilled you could hack, these are the same people that bragged to me online about there so called "hacking" skills.

NO, I have now had $90 stolen by the club. ( $30 more then I had when this started)

I have never lied and don't say I did. I waited the year and will speak to Pinky about it, we know where he lives and we will make sure we get to talk this out with this person.

I think you are really young and don't know what you are even thinking, that or you have a mental disorder.
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Reply to Art: Rehash...lame attempt.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

No Art, I don't feel like chatting or e mailing you anymore, you tricked me into being your friend one to many times for my liking.

I don't allow FALSE documents.

Excuse me but we ALL were waiting for 24's PROOF and now that we have it we all should be allowed to comment. Just don't go too crazy. I mean make intelligent comments and leave the putdowns out of it please.

You are a sick pervert. I have dealt with your sexual meanderings for 2 years or more.

Sorry I didn't know if 24 was a guy or girl, all of us didn't know.

Well we BOTH were hacked by PINKY GONZALEZ so what is the difference? Same person, both on echo fan clubs ect ect. I see no difference. The main fact here is, that the same person hacked fans, and I believe great fans.

Hey me going on the fan club has NOTHING to do with you or Alan. Pinky legally has swore to our agreement.

No I WOULD NOT DO ANYTHING WRONG. AND WOULD NEVER EVER CLAIM INNOCENCE, ( if I actually did something wrong) Don't put words in my mouth!

Everything I said to you, you manipulated. I know that for a fact. Tony is going by lies told by you and Alan. Christine believes lies too. I can't help that at all. People believe lies everyday.

There are fake documents about me , just as there are fake dialog that kelly has said online in fan fictions. It's only my fans making fan fiction up. They like to make up stuff and post it online... good or bad, all of it is not the truth at all.

Reading between lines is ridiculous your assuming that you something about me (when you don't)

Don't tell me if I do or do not need help.

Ya well you can blame whatever you want on me but I KNOW FOR A FACT I didn't do it.

Well you computer geeks have the means to hack.. so why not, you thought it was all funny right?

No I don't remember the "names" of the girl "actors" you had stalk me.

The only Jeff in the world that I am , is the innocent, shy Jeff that you don't want to try to be a friend with.

No I didn't not make those posts.

Hellz ya, my paintings are coming.... I guess if you have to work, you have to, that's not bad, I need to express myself, and that is what I am doing here.

Maybe there is 20000, 00000000 Jeff's lol.

24, is a person that has been hacked by Pinky, as have I, we are not friends, but have gone through the same experiences.

Pinky didn't have time to delete 24's files BECAUSE 24 was quick to get the files restored at a professional. She was lucky to get the files back. I wasn't, simple as that.

It is also possible that you Alan worked with Pinky and Alan in hacking my computer, because you could have sent me that virus yourself.

I don't watch porno.

My stuff is true because I know it is, your stuff is lies because we know it is. (we:Jeff/Mike/Shannon/24/ect...with proof.)

Jeff

PS: Pinky's real name will be released soon, with website and real address.
PPS: I will go through 24's proof soon..I didn't get a chance to do that yet.
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Reply To Alan. Please do not make lies up.Thank you. Drop the lies and false accusations.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

First off, hacking or putting people down is NOT funny, also your bullying of me is and was never funny. Bullying is one of the most terrible things in the world.

Ya well my real name is Zebadiah Jones, sorry I used the name Jeff just because I didn't want people to bother me. Jeff is not my legal name.

Cookie File? No we don't mean that we have HACKED computers from ECHO hackers that were on the computer.

Alan please for the love of God DO NOT defend ECHO Music in anyway, they are terrible.

I can get the real inside info on this corrupt company if I look investigate. It's up to me or 24 ( or Mike ) ( or anyone else it has happened to) to make sure other fans are not robbed blind, not hacked blind, and not bullied by managers.

The ban for any reason thing is really sick, so you guys can be as perverted as you want and if someone says something about it you just ban them and that's ok because you can ban for any reason? I don't think that is right.

Alan this is a place where fans are allowed to voice there opinions. We could call all of your posts "RANTS" as well. 24 just wanted to share her opinion. Me and her had the same thing happen so we understand how things go down with that company.

Well stealing money from a fan is a terrible business decision, every single Kelly Clarkson fan has heard what ECHO did to me and how they stole my money. I tell everyone and they don't want to join. If they had been smarter they could have private messaged me with some deal and none of this would of had to come out into the open.

Alan, for the last time please DO NOT twist my words. I DO NOT tell stories. Your the one with the absurd stories about me.

Also I am moving on, I am only commenting on this new proof and that is all. (AND WE WERE ALL WAITING FOR THIS NEW PROOF FOR MONTHS)

Well you have no proof Alan. All you have is fake and I know it.

Yes MySpace did try to track down the perpetrator of the MySpace Hacking. At least they know you guys are criminals. I have also worked with the police and they also said I was a great person and that you guys were the cause of it.

Just to counter-act Alan, I stand by every post here, and I know they are the truth and I also know they all work together and make perfect sense. If you read them all, they make sense. If you can't make sense of them just ask me. I do not think there are any contradictions.

Excuse me but I did have the info from my space and hotmail but it was IP addresses. I didn't get names, there for not knowing exactly did it but the police would know, I however do not know. I would have to say it was Pinky with the new proof we have discovered.

I am not at all unstable, you don't even know me in the least. Don't even start about knowing me.

Alan you have no authority as to weather I am can or can not be unbanned. I am trying to talk to pinky because he gave me the written legal agreement. He is the ONLY one I need to talk to. The rest of you have NOTHING to do with ANY of this.

I never asked any girls over or under age to dump there bf's. That would be stupid and lame. Hissy fits? come on! I DID listen. You guys were TOO QUICK to JUDGE me!

I want to say that I didn't call Kelly my wife, she is cool tho. Never said that about Alicia or Nelly ( and you never spell her name right and that is downright annoying ) it's Nelly Furtado, ( I tell you everytime to spell her name correctly and you only do it to annoy me and Canadians) she is the #1 selling female in music of 2007, something you US people can't do that's for sure. Trust a Canadian to kick arse.

Well you may have the video but you also don't know that all of the people at the Kelly Concert loved me including Kelly Clarkson herself. Her management and fans thought I was the best fan at her concerts, and that was out of every concert she had ever done in the world. I talked to smileyface and she was totally nice and sweet, and most of the people from the kc.com fan club that were doing the video were really sweet. She thought all of the stuff I made for Kelly was top notch and very artistic with extreme talent. Kelly herself said my paintings of her were " AWESOME!!!!!!!!" Ya so Kelly wants to marry me, big deal... she's sweet, cute and talented. I couldn't do much better then her could I? The person making the video said my segment was the best she had ever seen, it was because you crazed fools banned me that you decided to cut my segment of the official Kelly video out. I am sure Kelly would , or did love my segment. It was supposed to be sweet and was sweet, and it was in no way inappropriate. I don't do inappropriate things. You don't deside what is or is not appropriate in this world Alan. I was told by the fan club that I was the best fan, and the greatest EVER fan of Kelly Clarkson, and the people working for her tried to get me a backstage pass so that she could see the effort I put into my artwork for her, but they were only allowed so many people back there. I talked to all members of her band and her boy toy Graham Colton and they all said I was amazing and a great person...something you will never be able to take from me... Kelly talked to me 6 or 7 times that night, and was very very sweet to the audience and especially me. Kelly will always be a great person, it's just her fan club and management that are terrible. Even KELLY herself was upset at them.

Just for the record I think Kelly cares about her fans and cares for me as one of her most caring fans, she doesn't know how her fan club is run, and she doesn't have anything to do with it. She is too busy, unfortunately, to really understand what happened in this situation. Obviously you guys would do everything to cover your paper trail, including false documents, which I have seen. I want to say that most things on the internet about me are false unless they are positive then they are the truth.

I never provided more proof about you Alan, I am just trying to explain things so people know the truth....you twist everything so greatly.
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AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

Karenmarie

I understand the part you are saying about putting it to an end and maybe alan tony and I should backout but also consider it from the other side as well. Jeff will have plenty fired back at him especially with me and alan who have posted more then tony as we were directly involved with him to this date. Also notice the way jeff tried spinning things and making me the one with the sexual problem instead of him. I believe most people see that he is lying andit is him, not me but I will defend myself there and remind him of more everytime. Alan has tons of documents as he is at a higher level then me and has directly worked with authorities and other companies such as disney so he will keep bringing it forward as well. At some point he will finally confess or realize what he did and that it was wrong. There is a possibility of a few of the girls he did this to posting soon as well. He talked with and proposed knowing their ages.

I forgot to mention above that the school/art center is owed an apology by jeff, he thinks it was not right to ban the shool ip from kelly sites. Maybe it turned out to effect a few but it was due to HIM. I have strong doubts that many of the students log on to kelly sites while at school. If they try and are not able to due to the school being blocked that is JEFF's fault. If he would have stayed away it never would have happened.

I did not take anything personal and understand your opinion but also see it from the other side and know in the end it is up to jeff (and 24) to let it end.

I will always check and see what has been posted and if I feel I should reply as will alan and tony. notice none of us have nothing compared to jeff

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#38 Consumer Comment

Karen is a Nosey Complainer, probably Jeff under a different username.

AUTHOR: Tony - (U.S.A.)

I think Jeff and Karen are the same people.
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#39 Consumer Comment

Karen is a Nosey Complainer, probably Jeff under a different username.

AUTHOR: Tony - (U.S.A.)

I think Jeff and Karen are the same people.
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#40 Consumer Comment

Karen is a Nosey Complainer, probably Jeff under a different username.

AUTHOR: Tony - (U.S.A.)

I think Jeff and Karen are the same people.
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#41 Consumer Comment

Karen is a Nosey Complainer, probably Jeff under a different username.

AUTHOR: Tony - (U.S.A.)

I think Jeff and Karen are the same people.
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#42 Consumer Comment

Enough Already!

AUTHOR: Karenmarie - (U.S.A.)

Having read this entire complaint and the rebuttals, I can only conclude that you ALL need to give it a rest already!

Jeff,
The stuff that has been posted in your name is borderline criminal and what you have posted on your own behalf does not make you seem mentally healthy. You need to move on. You will never be allowed on these sites again and I can bet there will be a long list of other sites you will find yourself banned from. Move on, get a hobby, get different interests and stay off the internet. Move on. If you don't, it would not be a surprise to find that you are arrested and put either put in jail or in a mental institution somewhere. You are not gonna win here. Best to just pick up whatever shred of self respect you can find and walk away.

Art, Alan, Tony,
You really should stop replying. You all looked level headed and mature before you stooped to coming back again and again and again. Your constant replies with typos, misspellings and grammatical errors makes you all look no better than Jeff. The first few replies to his complaint, with the proper proof, was all that was needed to rebut his claims and you looked the better for it. You should have stopped back then. Your continual response makes you look as immature as Jeff and not much more above the crap that is being flung here. You need to take the higher moral ground. You should stop responding, stop getting into the debates and stop paying attention to Jeff in any way. You are supposed to be the grown ups here!

Pinky seems to be the only adult in all of this. Pinky just doesn't lower himself to get into this kindergarten kiddie fight and mudslinging.

You all need to move on. Every time any of you post, the situation gets worse and worse and none of you look any better.

Not a slam at any of you on a personal level, but you guys really need to see how this looks to an outsider. This is all really sounding silly, childish and borderline insane.

Get over it and move on, all of you.
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my response to Jeff the pervert, stalker, pedophile who lives in Mission, BC

AUTHOR: Tony - (U.S.A.)

Jeff,

You are mentally ill. It was you that posted on the Alicia Silverstone blog, I have read a few of your posts out there. You were obsessed with Alicia like you are with a lot of female actors and singers; such as, Nelly Fertado, Avril Lavigne, and more. I know what kind of posts you make and now you are outright denying it on here. You also posted on there when your birthday is, etc. How old you are, it is you Jeff, but keep lying, since that is what you like to do.

Jeff your the one who is warped and messed up and you really do need some help Jeff. 24's issue and yours are two different things. Jeff you were kicked off of the Kelly site for saying inappropriate sexual things to minors. Say what you want but that is the case, but that is why Alan banned you.

Thank you Alan for keeping the Kelly site safe.

I still have to question who 24 really is and what her motives are for taking sides with a child molester?

Alan also never lied Jeff, get your mentally challenged brain a shake and start thinking. Alan clearly admitted that you were not the only one banned over the years from the Kelly site. 24's issues are with the Clark fan site. Whether or not she was hacked is something she will have to prove and doing it on here is going to probably be nearly impossible when all of us are limited in what we can post. Why didn't 24 contact the authorities when this happened? Plus Jeff hacking isn't as easy as you make it out to sound.

Keep lying Jeff, you have lied through your teeth already, one lie was you claim that you had $60.00 stolen from you by the Kelly site. You never told anyone at first that you sneaked back onto the site after being banned by Alan. You were told to wait one year. You couldn't do that, you lied to everyone on this ripoff report. Jeff you need to get your facts straight.

Your the criminal Jeff, and that is why you will be arrested.
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AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

Jeff your comment makes it sound like you have say in what is allowed to be posted. That is pretty sad but also says the strongest proof has been blocked. I always say things can be sent to my hotmail address send_the_proof whether it is proof, a comment or someone just wanting to say hello. maybe tony will send me a note so we can exchange more facts jeff doesnt allow, you are welcome to as well.

Jeff also complains about my comments not funny yet figures me marrying tony is great. Tony will you marry me? I hope we made jeff happy. Jeff is willing for a guy probably even an animal, I wont go into the details of that comment as it is a seperate issue.

jeff you are the one stirring up the issue again and when we agreed to close the case you couldnt hold off more then a week or so, and this is a 2nd time.

I think 24 even agrees that anything that happened to HER has nothing to do what happened to you not to mention HERS has nothing to do with kelly clarkson or alan or me, maybe pinky but I am not sure, so dont tryusing something so far out as proof for you. That is like saying I got a speeding ticket and I say I was not speeding then alan gets a ticket from the same cop and says he wasnt speeding so that means the officer lies. We were both innocent that is not how things work. Even if alan was pulled over and wasnt speeding his innocence doesnt prove my guilt as not true.

You say that you would never do anything wrong if allowed back but precautions are crucial today so it wont happened. Should they allow you back and you do something wrong, even by accident, you will just be crying and claiming innocence, hacking and discrimination all over.

My comments and postings are not assumptions they are from direct chats with you. Tony is going on facts stated by alan and me. Christine is doing the same, believe it or not most people can read between the lines and see things clear.

You always say you dont need help so I think we are safe to say you are not getting the help you DO NEED.

In terms of the hacker, that comment proves my point that just because you think you were hacked doesnt mean you were. It is not so easy, I dont know how either but if you want to blame me I say I dont care what you think so blame me. I dont believe pinky would take the time to hack one person like 24 either. If 24 is into the web so much she should know that hacking is not that easy. It is one thing to hack a site but directly into a persons computer?

I will also testify my postings are 100% the only thing I am not including is the names of the girls. If you you remember their names and want to mention them that is fine but I am not going to expose them to you again.

Say alan tony and I are all the same person, I have 3 names with multiple personalities. Kind of like you and being bi-polar, maybe that explains why there are such different sides of you. The innocent shy caring jeff we are not aware of the and is posting here and loves disney and the other jeff that post on sites and is just terrible.

Speaking of other sites, PLEASE GIVE ME A BREAK!!!! If I read your posting correct you are claiming that you did not make any of the postings tony found. I supposed alan and I made all those as well. I dont know about you but being older alan and I have jobs and need to earn money to live and dont have time for this. I know your michaelangelo painting will come along someday so you have plenty of time but it is not like that for all of us. It is amazing that alan and I also can do this and keep the story straight. Oh the "other" jeff before meds is the one that made those postings.

I am also glad to see you are once again the one that knows the law and none of us do and you have it USA vs. canada a battle of the law. USA will definitely kick a*s and have you in 10 times the trouble.

Call all this rehash but that is all yours has been done for 3 years.

24 as tony said try to notice the difference between your 2 situations and be careful in linking yourself with jeff. You really dont want to look like you are friends and support him. What you really have in common is an issue that you think is all pinky. As I said I dont believe pinky or whatever his name is would take the time to figure out your ip and hack your personal computer. If that is true why didnt pinky also delete all your documents like jeff claims. Way back jeff told me he had a virus and I honestly tried helping him with different virus software and how to backup his hard drive. He then took it to a computer shop, it was probably a porno virus. Also look at everything and tell me how jeff can pick who is and is not lying and why I should believe all of yours is accurate and you should think mine is nothing but lies. I believe you since I have no proof of different and I hope you do the same with me and alan.

I am sure more to come
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AUTHOR: Alan - (U.S.A.)

First of all, ever hear of studio names? they are legal names, and Pinky has one!
Second, Ever heard a cookie file? it gets placed on your computer when you visit any website that requires a login. Any fan club run by Echo will place a cookie from the Echo servers. The cookie is required in order for the site to function as it stores the information for the login. That's not being 'hacked', your computer has a whole folder of these files from just about every website you've visited.

As for Echo changing their name, they haven't, they are simply expanding into more sub-divisions (such as their echotunes and others), which is normal for any company as they continue to grow. You all think your some kind of private investigators, and your nothing of the sorts.

All the proof of what Jeff was banned for has been provided. He was banned on many sites, even before he ever joined an Kelly Clarkson site. Even so, any website, including online fan clubs, have the right to ban ANYONE for ANY OR NO REASON, with or without warning. Jeff and anyone else can complain all they want about it, the law is still on the side of the company.

As for 24's rant about how a fan club stopped their snailmail and went totally online without warning anyone first, legally, they aren't required to do so, but again, it has nothing to do at all with why Jeff was banned.

Jeff paid $30 to join, got himself banned, snuck on again paying again, and had to be banned again (he was never unbanned, being banned, and told to stay away includes not sneaking on from somewhere else o get around the ban).. Echo didn't steal anything from him, he voluntarily paid it knowing full well the terms he agreed to when he signed up. If he didn't read them, that's his own fault. If he wasn't aware of the laws involved in it, that's also his own fault (you may have heard the saying in court rooms 'neglegance of the law is no excuse')

Jeff himself talks about how he 'tried to contact Pinky' and everyone else after being banned, in his own words tells how he was 'hacked' after it all, then goes on about he was hacked and never did the things he did. his stories are jsut that, nothing more than stories trying to jsutify what he did and make excuses for it all rather than simply moving on with his life.

Jeff got all upset when I provided his posts and messages that got him banned, yet it was after he was slamming me all over the place. yet again, he caused his own problem there. Once he made false accusations (and very slanderous at that), he legally gave me the right to publically provide all the proof I have provided.
In these psotings I provided, he even speaks of how MySpace provided him with proof of who 'hacked his myspace', and MSN did the same when his msn and hotmail email accounts were suppsoedly 'hacked'. Yet, he's here pointing fingers and more than one person for doing it, double talking everything he says, and saying the exact opposite of even his own posts right on this report. The only people who could possibly believe what he says are those who don't read it all.

As i've already said Jeff, you can keep going as long as you want, the only one being hurt is yourself. All this is also why you will never be unbanned. Your very unstable, and no one wants to have to deal with you and your nonsense.

This report of yours has become nothing more than entertainment. It's completely rediculous, and never meant much to begin with. You aren't capable of seeing yourself. You don't want to see how most of what you have said right here refers to yourself. You claim some of the 'girls' you spoke to turned out not to be girls or whatever, but you can't see that when you speak to them the way you have, they don't knnow you are who you say you are (and the more you banter about everything, the more you prove your not what you say you are).

Asking girls, especailly under age ones, to dump their boyfriends so you can date them, asking girls, especailly underage ones, most of what you ask them, and the comments and topics of discussions you had, were not appropriate, your hissy fits when warned gave everyone a headache, and you were banned, you refused to lsiten, and the ban was made perminant. end of story, there is nothing to discuss further about it. You wont be back on the kelly sites, if your caught sneaking back on, you'll jsut be banned all over again, and you especailly, will never get the chance to 'propose to Kelly Clarkson' as you've been planning for a couple of years now (and don't even think about denying calling yourself mr. kelly clarkson, and referring to her as your wife in many of your blogs and posts, which you did about Alicia Silverstone and Nellie Fertado as well).

You were so proud of your 'sign' at the vancouver concert that said 'marry me kelly'.. you can't deny that was all you.. we have video from before that concert with you holding the sign and telling the camera your name, and your plan to marry her, among other things, remember that Jeff? you were told it was for the fan club, that's on the video too, we had to edit you out of it when it was put on the fan club because it wasn't appropriate.

and you really wonder why you were banned? I warned you if you continued your nonsense, you wouldn't liek the things I have to provide against you. I can keep bringing more of it out, but that's entirely upto you though. Think about it very carefully.
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How is there a difference? We were both hacked/stalked by Pinky! We now have concrete proof.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

I'll write back soon as to exactly WHY 24's proof makes perfect sense and it absolutely related to what happened to me.

Tony, whoever he is, seems to be TOO interested in this case.

Just to assure this stalker Tony, I can assure you I am not the least bit weird, or whatever you may be thinking.

I didn't know if 24 was male or female, more proof that she is different them me, but you are too stupid to not believe anything you see for real.

24 got banned and HACKED by PINKY GONZALAZ ( which is NOT he real name we have discovered ( and ALAN LIED about this to our faces right on this very Rip Off REPORT, so he and art and Tony are liars and clearly can NOT be trusted any longer.

Jesters is clearly not me, as I said I can not even most under a different name on here only the AUTHOR... if you are so stupid to question that again we are clearly dealing with someone who is mentally challenged.

I know it and 24 knows it.

No I have not written anything about Alicia on the net, if it's on there, then someone like TONY probably wrote it and posted it on the net. All I can say about Alicia is that she is a great and wonderful actress that I admire. I would absolutely never ever ever say anything rude like that.

Tony post whatever you like but I KNOW FOR A FACT I did NOT post it, so post whatever lies you like it's totally cool as long as people know who the criminals are (Alan, Art, Tony, Morgan, Pinky)

From what you posted Tony, me and Alan never have that conversation at all and he would attest to that.

If anyone spends jail time it will be these five criminals (Alan from kckellyville and kellyclarkson.com) , Art ( from kckellyville, Tony (from california, pervert, criminal) , Morgan Plex ( kelly clarkson fan club) , Pinky Gonzalez ( not his real name like Alan promised))

How is there a difference? We were BOTH hacked by the same person!!!! Can't you see that?

Jeff
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#47 Author of original report

How is there a difference? We were both hacked/stalked by Pinky! We now have concrete proof.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

I'll write back soon as to exactly WHY 24's proof makes perfect sense and it absolutely related to what happened to me.

Tony, whoever he is, seems to be TOO interested in this case.

Just to assure this stalker Tony, I can assure you I am not the least bit weird, or whatever you may be thinking.

I didn't know if 24 was male or female, more proof that she is different them me, but you are too stupid to not believe anything you see for real.

24 got banned and HACKED by PINKY GONZALAZ ( which is NOT he real name we have discovered ( and ALAN LIED about this to our faces right on this very Rip Off REPORT, so he and art and Tony are liars and clearly can NOT be trusted any longer.

Jesters is clearly not me, as I said I can not even most under a different name on here only the AUTHOR... if you are so stupid to question that again we are clearly dealing with someone who is mentally challenged.

I know it and 24 knows it.

No I have not written anything about Alicia on the net, if it's on there, then someone like TONY probably wrote it and posted it on the net. All I can say about Alicia is that she is a great and wonderful actress that I admire. I would absolutely never ever ever say anything rude like that.

Tony post whatever you like but I KNOW FOR A FACT I did NOT post it, so post whatever lies you like it's totally cool as long as people know who the criminals are (Alan, Art, Tony, Morgan, Pinky)

From what you posted Tony, me and Alan never have that conversation at all and he would attest to that.

If anyone spends jail time it will be these five criminals (Alan from kckellyville and kellyclarkson.com) , Art ( from kckellyville, Tony (from california, pervert, criminal) , Morgan Plex ( kelly clarkson fan club) , Pinky Gonzalez ( not his real name like Alan promised))

How is there a difference? We were BOTH hacked by the same person!!!! Can't you see that?

Jeff
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#48 Author of original report

How is there a difference? We were both hacked/stalked by Pinky! We now have concrete proof.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

I'll write back soon as to exactly WHY 24's proof makes perfect sense and it absolutely related to what happened to me.

Tony, whoever he is, seems to be TOO interested in this case.

Just to assure this stalker Tony, I can assure you I am not the least bit weird, or whatever you may be thinking.

I didn't know if 24 was male or female, more proof that she is different them me, but you are too stupid to not believe anything you see for real.

24 got banned and HACKED by PINKY GONZALAZ ( which is NOT he real name we have discovered ( and ALAN LIED about this to our faces right on this very Rip Off REPORT, so he and art and Tony are liars and clearly can NOT be trusted any longer.

Jesters is clearly not me, as I said I can not even most under a different name on here only the AUTHOR... if you are so stupid to question that again we are clearly dealing with someone who is mentally challenged.

I know it and 24 knows it.

No I have not written anything about Alicia on the net, if it's on there, then someone like TONY probably wrote it and posted it on the net. All I can say about Alicia is that she is a great and wonderful actress that I admire. I would absolutely never ever ever say anything rude like that.

Tony post whatever you like but I KNOW FOR A FACT I did NOT post it, so post whatever lies you like it's totally cool as long as people know who the criminals are (Alan, Art, Tony, Morgan, Pinky)

From what you posted Tony, me and Alan never have that conversation at all and he would attest to that.

If anyone spends jail time it will be these five criminals (Alan from kckellyville and kellyclarkson.com) , Art ( from kckellyville, Tony (from california, pervert, criminal) , Morgan Plex ( kelly clarkson fan club) , Pinky Gonzalez ( not his real name like Alan promised))

How is there a difference? We were BOTH hacked by the same person!!!! Can't you see that?

Jeff
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#49 Consumer Suggestion

Follow up to proof

AUTHOR: 24 - (U.S.A.)

Ok guys, If ya don't believe me, fine! I finally got on my old computer today and found what I was looking for. I tried in my last post to leave the url link to my myspace site. Well, they erased that link. I guess it's not allowed in here. After getting all my info together, I posted it on my website, not my space.
I prolly can't post that link in here either. But I will not post all my info on here.
So, all I can tell you all is to try to go to my website. put the following words together to make the whole website link ok? look on next line for addy. (((ROR redacted)))
That's the best that I can do. All the info you wanna see is posted there. I'm not trying to prove anything to anyone. I was just trying to let everyone know about echomusic, formally artist media group and now they just go by echo. And just to let you know, pinky gonzales is not his real name. It is jonathan jansen. But now, there is a guy named taylor that is over terri clark's website. They are always changing mods and changing their company name. I'm just trying to help more fans out there and get the artists to see how their fans are being treated.
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response to 24 and still think Jeff is a stalker, predator and weirdo....

AUTHOR: Tony - (U.S.A.)

24: If you are really a separate person from Jeff then I will give you credit for that. Jeff also claimed you are male and not female. Which made me wonder if the two of you are the same. I do gather that at least Jesters777 and Jeff are the same person. 24, if you were banned from the fansite for no reason or a valid reason, that is not right. I can agree with you in the frustration you may be having if it is all true. But still believe your issue for banning is different from Jeff's.

I also attempted last night and this morning to post some more chat logs I came across from Jeff. There's a bunch of them, all the same blog, ALicia Silverstone (2003 time frame), which all of you can find if you do a google search on Jeff Stackhouse Mission bc alicia silverstone (if I spelled it right). Some of the language and content of these blogs is pornographic, sexaul, violent, degrading, freaky, scary, and out right weird. At one point Jeff tells someone that he is going to do a great act of physical violence on them, using the F word over and over again. This may be one reason ripoffreport is not allowing me to post them on here (just my opinion - no offense to rip off report). Maybe ripoff report may eventually allow me to put them on?

I did see Alan's blog on the Kelly Site "why Jeff Stackhouse will never be back on."

Alan: you want to find these ones and add them to your list, this is truly shocking and disturbing conversations Jeff is having with girls and boys. At the same time you may have already seen them, but decided not to put them on your site due to the content of them? People do the search, read them, keep scrolling down the screen. Jeff is using the user name "Jeffstacky." It is very sexually degrading of girls, violent and disturbing.

Jeff: I must say I have read a lot of your posts and blogs on the web, that one was very disturbing. After reading that there is definitely no doubt in my mind that you need some real help. You are a very sick man Jeff. You will serve some time behind bars. I will be forwarding a copy of everything I find to the Canadian Authorities. You are one sick puppy Jeff.

24: I hope you can see now the two differences in your complaint with echo music and Jeff's. There's a big difference there. I hope 24 you find the justice you are looking for, if it is all true.
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Tony, you are nuts

AUTHOR: 24 - (U.S.A.)

First off, I am female. I live in east tennessee and I am not anyone else than who I say I am. I don't like being called a liar. The only reason I started leaving posts to this thread is because of echomusic, formally known as artist media group and now known as echo. I was talking about them banning fans of various fan clubs for no d**n reason. Me and my best friend was banned from the terri clark fan club in november 2004 by pinky gonzales, which is not his real name.

They came on board with terri clark's website and made the fan club online. Alot of fans did'nt like this transistion and made comments about the way they were treating fans and of about 30 people's posts, only me and my best friend were banned. I had been a member of terri's fan club since she started out back in 1995. To have a smart ** like pinky to disagree with a reply i made, to ban me really made me mad and upset. He threatened many fans and then they became afraid to even make a post on her site, afraid they too would be banned.

My computer was then hacked and I know it was pinky, cause I had my former computer tech work on my computer to see what the problem was. An ip addy was found to be on my computer from the location of echomusic in nashville. I tried calling TBA, the management of terri clark and by the time, I got to talk to clarence spalding, pinky had already called him and filled his head with lies.

Echomusic also ran kelly clarkson's website, and they too banned fans. They also ran toby keith's street team and toby himself had the site closed and fired echomusic, due to fans telling him how they were being treated by pinky and others. All i was trying to do was help other fans. I was banned from sugarland's street team just because they knew me. I joined one day and then when I went back to login, It said I had been banned. Hell, I never even made a post. Something needs to be done about echomusic.

And another thing tony, I do not know jeff. My myspace site has nothing to do with my banning from the terri clark fan club. I am a webmaster myself. I was just trying to tell you, to go to my myspace site to prove that i'm not anyone else and yes, there is such a site. I do have proof that me and my best friend were banned from the terri clark fan club, but as I stated, It's all on my old computer. I will do my best to hook it up this weekend and get that info. And if you want further proof, just join terri clark's fanclub site and make a post asking about me and why I'm no longer on that site. You like to run your mouth about stuff you know nothing about, but you like to make accusations about me.

My best friend and I also have a myspace and the purpose of that site is to help artists get more exposure. There is also another country artist who got rid of echomusic and that's chely wright. She now has her site done by music city networks. He fans let her know what was going on with them. Terri has been told by more than 1 fan club member how echomusic treats them and so far, she has done nothing to help her fans. They probably have something over her head, who knows.

I know nothing about jeff other than what I have read here. And no, I don't like child preditors or stalkers. I just know what he said, that how he was treated by pinky and echo music. By the way, pinky now runs a photography site called prophotos.tv or something like that, just type his name in google. He's easy to find. I believe in karma and that people will be paid back by a higher power for the wrongful way they treat others...that's all I'm gonna say. Justice needs to be done by echomusic being put out of business and ran out of nashville. I will do whatever I can to help. Fans join artists fanclubs to support them, not to be judged by their opinions and banned just becuase the mods don't agree.

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24 Please come up with something better than this.......

AUTHOR: Tony - (U.S.A.)

None of this really makes a big difference 24, you have posted a user agreement and ran a text of someones blog on a message board for a "Terry Clark" Fan site. That post of yours and the problems Jeff Stackhouse has been having are two different issues (if the info you post is even real or true, could just be made up or doctored from original text format).

Jeff was banned from the Kelly Site for saying inappropriate things to minors that were sexual in nature. Jeff was also banned for posting inappropriate user names; such as, "Kellyclarkson the booty queen, etc." Jeff was warned, and admits in his own posts, he was warned not to go back on the Kelly Site, for one year. Jeff then sneaked back on a different computer and tried again to be on the Kelly site, under a different user name. When he was discovered Alan had him banned again. Jeff was originally supposed to wait one year before contacting the fan site again. Jeff could not follow those simple rules. That is why Jeff is on this ripoff site, he feels the Kelly Clarkson fan club ripped him off for $60.00. Even though he deserves to loose this money since he can not follow the directions and instructions Alan gave him.

24 why did none of your info that you told me on this site about you not add up? The myspace account you mentioned is not there either. So let me ask this question of you again, what is your association with Jeff Stackhouse? Why are you helping a pervert? Are you aware of some of the things Jeff has said to minors online?

I still think Jeff, Jesters777 and 24 are the same people.
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Finally some banning proof

AUTHOR: 24 - (U.S.A.)

Ok guys,
here is some proof of other banned members. My info is on my old computer and I will do my best to get it on disc this weekend and post it.
The following is 3 former members banned from Terri clark's fan club that we know.
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Califer,
i don't know how to go about this reply but just say what the truth is. you talked about a post being about internet access and fans not having computer access, well, that is still true today with (former) fan club members. not everyone in the world has or can still yet afford a computer. there is over 12,000 members listed on this website and only 200 or so actually access it on a regular basis. that is fact, not fiction. there are still members listed and they have not been members of this fan club in years. that i can prove! i think the post you was referring to about that was made over a year ago and there were two fan club members banned, and three suspended for wanting to help those non computer access fans in terri's fan club. that also can be proven! fans who joined terri's fan club in the latter part of 2004 did not recieve nor did they realize, they would'nt be recieving any fan club merchandise in snail mail anymore. a thread was created asking questions about that topic and they were deleted. when other members started a post trying to help those members,, like i said,, they were banned from the fan club for their opinions. i don't think that was fair nor right for disussing a very important issue.
everyone knows that things and times change, but changes made without notification to fans is just not right. i am not putting anyone down here, i am just saying that there are terri clark fans who don't have access to the online fanclub and they lost their money by joining. others were thrown aside as if they never had supported terri all the years before.
one more thing, it is really sad to see that donna is gone now from the website. she was one of the last remaining people whom has been associated with the terri clark organization since she started out 10 and 1/2 years ago.
the only 2 left that i can see is greg(her hubby) and kevin.
so to say that alot has happened in the last 10 1/2 years is a huge understatement.
i am not and hope i did not offend anyone here by being truthful.
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2. a description of the copyrighted work or other intellectual property that you claim has been infringed;

3. a description of where the material that you claim is infringing is located on the site;

4. your address, telephone number, and email address;

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Company may be reached for notice of claims of copyright or other intellectual property infringement can be reached as follows:
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#54 Consumer Comment

Jeff Stackhouse (Mission, B.C.) Pervert, Predator, Liar, Pedophile

AUTHOR: Tony - (U.S.A.)

Keep up with the lies Jeff, you know that your the weirdo, it was you Jeff that mentioned the daycare in your post. What is this daycare? Are you running a daycare Jeff? How many kids are there? Are you alone with them?

No Jeff I am not Art or Allan, I am a concerned citizen.

Jeff the sponge bob joke is inappropriate, it is not funny, it is sexual in nature and should not be discussed with minors under the age of 18.

I can't wait to see you get charged Jeff.
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#55 Consumer Comment

You shouldn't protest so much

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

or nambla will see the trouble you cause and kick you off their site also unless they have already.
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#56 Author of original report

Art, Alan, Tony, Morgan, and Pink from the Kelly Clarkson Fan Club are Truly Criminals.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

I think 24 ment his name on myspace is just "24" I think... not sure ask him. As well you Tony have committed LIBEL here.

Again I believe that Alan, Art and Tony are the same person.

Tony, it's suspicious you are on here if you had nothing to do with the situation. I believe you are the hacker, that needs to be in jail for life.

They have nothing on me because I did nothing you completely stupid person. Are you so stupid to not know that Art was JOKING about the daycare...gosh you are stupid.

Jeff
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#57 Consumer Comment

24's Story does not check out/ Jeff needs to be arrested and charged for interenet crimes..........

AUTHOR: Tony - (U.S.A.)

I checked myspace for "just24" and there is nothing there. Unless you have a different user name. I also did a search like you suggest for Kelly Clarkson and there are two reports on rip off report, one of them is Jeff's and the other was over fan club tickets. I see Jeff's comments and Arts, but no 24.

Again I am tending to believe that 24, Jeff Stackhouse and Jesters777, are all the same people.

Now Jeff to address me being arrested, you have mentioned it several times in your posts. I did nothing wrong to be arrested for. What am I going to be arrested for? For telling a Pervert, Pedophile like yourself off? You are a Pervert, Weirdo, Liar, and Pedophile. And don't worry Jeff it is not a matter of if, but when you get charged and arrested.

Art, yes please share any info you have on Jeff Stackhouse with the Mission, B.C. RCMP Detachment. Any chat logs, myspace, messenger, anything that you have with Jeff being inappropriate with minors. If you are hesitant you can turn the info over to the U.S authorities (FBI in Seattle or Vancouver, B.C.) and they can forward it all up to the Canadian counterparts in B.C..

Now am I missing something here, did I read that Jeff sneaked onto the Kelly site from a daycare computer? Who's Daycare? Does Jeff run this Daycare? Is the Daycare located in Mission, B.C.? Is Jeff alone with kids? Is Jeff in contact with these kids?
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#58 Author of original report

Tony and Art should be married.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Tony: 24 knows how these guys lie, so therefore he knows you and them are lying. And the joke was not a sex joke. I also don't do anything wrong to kids and never will. I have no idea who 24 is and he has no clue who I am , we just have had the same thing happen to us and I believe him.

Art:Don't dare stir up the pot again when it is unwanted. I said all of us MAY have done things wrong, meaning that I MAY have done some little things wrong (possibly) while you guys did the big crimes. No confession at all from me, I never did anything, and you guys did , is the bottom line.

No, you guys posted your false documents and they allowed it, you could post anything here and it SHOULD post.

Well the only reason you two old guys on the site of young girls are allowed to say is because you are behind the whole operation.

When 24 posts the truth the truth will be known.

No way if I was allowed on I would not complain at all, I am complaining here, I have this place to voice my concerns I would never post anything on the websites if I was allowed on. Ya too bad my day care center was banned. ( lame sense of humor ).Well you banned 10,000 students for a 4 years that's a lot of Kelly fans. Good for you, it shows how stupid you both are.

Well I have a different opinion of you and Alan. I was the one that went through this, you both thought it was a joke and I am here to say it WAS NOT.

Christine should probably be in jail for making sick comments as she did.
Ok I respect the fact that Christine has chosen to judge me for no reason and has no facts to judge me on. If I was to that to her I would say she is a killer. What's the difference? She just assumes whatever she wants ( like you and Art)

How the hell would you know if I seek help or do not seek help and what business is it of yours? You are not very nice to me, and you are not very caring , and you go against my words, it is very sick.

I said you are TONY, so stop sending yourself fake documents.

No I only wish I was a hacker. Then there would be some justice in the world. I think what happened was called "karma" you get what you deserve in the end.. that's what happened with your computer.

You guys are insane/mental cases. I can clearly understand what you all are thinking. I know what Alan things and Art things, Melissa and Tony are just insane.

Well the Canadian police should kick your US butts for being so mental. Well I would have arrested you when you did it. Hey you guys don't have the slightest clue about the law. I know you committed LIBEL/ Deformation of Character!!!!

My posts are all 100%, as I never lie and never will lie. There is some crazy ECHO conspiracy going on that is for certain. I know it and all the rest of the fans know it.

Like I said my comments are all 100% The accusations are no worse then yours against me, actually yours are a lot worse.

24 please give the URL for your myspace so we can all check this out.

I rejected your posts because they are false and I know they are false. I bet you anything that 24 posts REAL documents.

Ya we should really all be friends, I mean at the end of the day, I am saying that because people should all get along, but I am not going to back down ever, because I know what I did and did not do and don't like to be accused.

Sorry but the person you think I am does not exist. You have not the slightest clue about my personality or who I am , so don't judge me, or you will be judged for making judgment calls on people you don't know.

Art mostly everything you said was old rehashed stuff you already said at least 10 times. If you have any new things to say I would welcome it but the same thing over and over again makes you sound really desperate to call me down and leads readers to believe you are guilty

So friends?
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#59 UPDATE EX-employee responds

CATCH UP

AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

Jeff you admitted that you did some things WRONG. I find this a confession as you just admitted that you did wrong. Nothing was given by you as an example but at least you know there were some things.

Well the support you have is hard to believe, does it really exist? It has been posted but just didn't show. Maybe it is a case of the website finding it inappropriate or lack of accuracy.

The only way age was only an issue with you is due to the things you did with minors. Good chances if you were a minor you would have been banned as well. As alan mentioned I am older then you, as is he, and neither of us have had problems. We just know what is appropriate and how to appropriately handle things/problems.

The reason you wont be given a second chance is that your behavior that got you in trouble followed by the behavior and problems while banned only to continue on after permanently banned. If let back you would just complain about the past. Kind of like when you snuck in to the Kellyville chat room from the school computer lab. You might have been able to pull that off until other complaints came but you couldn't hold anything back and all your bitching made it so I knew who you were within 5 minutes, actually less. Knowing it was you and not being able to keep your mouth shut or behave I was able to buzz alan and he banned you again and unfortunately your entire school (day care center) Risk just totally out weighs possible benefits

I don't think alan or I am bad in the least way, even with the comments made about you. It might seem mean to you but the facts need to be stated and hopefully protect others and try to gradually eliminate this problem.

Regarding the comment by Christine you can say what you want but if she has read just parts of this topic she has plenty to use to make a judgement and read between the lines to reach her conclusion. You mention respecting 24 well you you need to respect Christine too. And explain the trolling and what type of complaint you can file. If there is anything to justify a complaint I think alan and I along with Tony have things to file against you. You might think she needs help but I am positive you do as well and you wont seek any.

Tony if I can find the time I will try to gather some of my chats to send. I have not posted a response sooner as my (d**n dell) computer crashed and I had to format it but hopefully have a lot saved on disc from previous backups. I am wondering if jeff hacked my computer and deleted things and gave my computer the virus. He still thinks I am to blame for all his computer and internet issues so I am guessing he did this for revenge.

I hope you take jeff's evaluation in to account as I see you have been diagnosed as another mental case. Notice Melissa is another person he was able to diagnose. Anyone who disagrees with him has a mental problem. He understands this since he is such a case himself. Just think he sees a perfect example in the mirror everyday

Jeff Canadian police cannot arrest US citizens in the USA. Unfortunately that is true vice versa or we would have had the USA police arrest you at your house years ago. I also like that you finally admit you really don't know law. This contradicts another 30 postings of yours above that state how everyone against you has broken the law, that is incorrect and since you do NOT know the law don't try enforce it.

24 explain your comment about you wonder who is running the site. Are you trying to claim it is someone that is not allowing your post because they are against you? If so think that through as look at all of jeff's lies that have been allowed, so that is not an issue. If echo was going to pay ripoff they would NOT have posted any off jeff's comments, especially if true. If they would do this they wouldn't need to be paying Tony like jeff thinks is possible. GIVE ME A BREAK

By the way jeff, once again you need to watch the comments and accusations you make about people or businesses with no proof. Those comments are pretty strong and another thing to lead to a lawsuit against you.

I will also try to check out 24's myspace. If nothing else 24 can post the proof on myspace for us to judge its credibility. No offense 24 but if jeff is entitled to reject ours we have the right to reject yours with just as good of chance of modification.

Tony very good questions for 24 and the support of jeff.

I would really like it if jeff's other wish would come through and that I can add Tony and Melissa as friends. Maybe I will start a myspace to give the link to so we can have contact, if I would start a myspace for this reason all posting here would be welcome including jeff.
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#60 Consumer Comment

My response to 24

AUTHOR: Tony - (U.S.A.)

If you are a separate person then what is your association with Jeff Stackhouse? Are you ok with Jeff saying inappropriate things to minors online and the sex jokes about Kelly in the shower and sponge bob? Do you approve of what Jeff does to kid online?
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To 24

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

24,

It is very clear to me that you are you, ( and most people with an IQ of an 5 year old ) it's just these trollers and people intent on being ridiculous that keep up the crazy posts. For all we know this Tony guy could be Pinky Gonzales himself, the same guy that screwed us both over!!!

Ya they need to keep changing the name, it seems to me, to hide from fans they have really done illegal things too, I think they are worse then some people that are considered criminals. ( For example some steal a pack of gum and may go to jail, these guys still $80 and ( I know i said 60 but they did it again) and it's not only money, fine, steal my money, but not my rights and freedoms, don't lie to me, and tell me I did things I didn't do.

24 is right, there IS another rip off report on the Kelly Clarkson fan club, and that was on here before this even happened to me, the truth must be known to set all Kelly fans free from ECHOMUSIC. We are finally getting somewhere.

I will go to ECHOHELLO and see if I can get them to respond. They are good at committing crimes and then hiding.

I also do not know anyone in this thread. I have only spoken to art and alan by email.

I will check out your myspace.

I am sure the info will post, unless ( as you say) ECHOHELLO is paying off Rip Off Report or some other scam going on. I would not thing Rip Off Report would take bribes from criminals. I would think that would go against everything they stand for. This site is for us, not the people creating these RIP OFF fan clubs.

Well someone has to get this information out.

If you sent it to me, I could post it , but I think these guys would say it was me posting so we can't really go that route.... but it really should post... do you get the " THANK YOU FOR POSTING" SCREEN ? It says that your post will be up in the next while, so if you get that screen the post should come up, unless there are glitches, which I have gotten before too.

24, I have heard and seen every smartA$$ed comment in the book from these guys, If they were more kind and actually listened to the fans NONE of this would ever have happened but they keep saying the rudest remarks right to our faces. They use the fact they have money to put down the fans that don't have much ( But which without these artists would never exist at all)

Yes, I agree, whatever happens to these fools on one site doesn't discourage them from ruining the next fan club. They just keep doing it and doing it. They think they can run a fan club but they can't even begin too. I was unfortunate to run into this criminals, without them my life would have been much better.

You should get one of your friends on the Terri Clark site to copy and paste some of what these same people did to those fans just to prove things. I am sure you could get proof there. But I am not joining the Terri Clark FC for proof, but I am sure we could find someone that is already in it and get them to post.

I'll check out the other Kelly Clarkson Fan Club thread to find the proof and then will copy it from there.... I am sure that would be a fair thing to do.

I appreciate your willingness to get the proof out there. Like I said if these guys didn't hack my computer ( and ruin a 1,500 computer fully) then I would have all the proof I would need to get these guys in jail but I unfortunately had my computer destroyed by them..

anyhow keep fighting the good fight.

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#62 Consumer Suggestion

I am my own self 24

AUTHOR: 24 - (U.S.A.)

Tony and whoever else has a problem here, need not take it out on me. I came here in the first place to tell you all that I too have proof that echomusic, whom has now changed their name again to echohello, rips off fan club members for major country stars. I do not know anyone else in this thread. If you wanna see who I am, go to my website on myspace. my username is just24. Anyway, I will gather all my info and post it here if it will go through this time. I posted proof 3 times and they will not post it. I then emailed rip off asking them if they were in cahoots with echomusic.

It's obvious someone on here is keeping me from posting proof. Call pinky gonzales at echomusic in nashville, tn and ask him about 24. I'm sure he'll have something smart a$$ed to say. Seems when they ban members of fan clubs,,,they move on to another artists site and do the same thing. Ask chely wright about them...she fired them here while back and went with music city networks,,, same as kenny chesney has. Echo needs to be ran out of nashville. I'm sure that they also put the artists in the middle of things. If ya wanna see some posts about how they are...join the terri clark fan club and take a look around at all the posts on there about tech support and all that. I'm no longer a member, but I have friends that are. I will try again to post proof tommorrow.
By the way tony...

I live in east tennessee. and p.s...go put kelly clarkson in the search box here and the other post about kelly will come up, that I replied to about not being able to post my proof on this thread. peace out
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#63 Consumer Comment

Jeff lies, jeff is really Jesters777 and 24

AUTHOR: Tony - (U.S.A.)

Jeff you will never let this end, just remember everything sent in on this rippoffreport is archived and never goes away. I also still think your a pervert and a liar. I think you need to let it go and move on in life, get some mental help.

How do we know that 24 isn't in fact you posting bull on here? Just to add drama to all the excitement? After all you posted earlier on this thread as Jester777, pretending to be someone that knows you, trying to say you are a nice person and all. Bart picked right up on that one, and you insult him calling him Bart Simpson. I think Jester777 and 24 are all the same people "Jeff Stackhouse." I think Jeff is a troll that likes to troll the internet looking for underage victims.

I can't wait till you get arrested Jeff for your online internet crimes.
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#64 Author of original report

Friends yes, but 24's proof should be posted, noted and respected.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

While it is true that I do want to be freinds with everyone, and am, I do feel it would be the right thing to do for 24 to post his proof. We all know that this company is shady. And the more proof we have, the better.

If he says he has the proof, and can post the proof, why should it now be allowed to be seen.

I , for one, am very interested to see what these same people did to other fans just like myself. Fans that spend good money to be treated fairly and were not.

I am sure we will all finally see I was telling the truth as soon as the proof can be seen.

Also note that sometimes posts do not show up on Rip Off Report for a day or so. ( Sometimes not at all do to glitches ) so we will all wait and be patient.

It's good to know 24 is trying to get this info into the open because it is a respectable thing to do to even try to go against these people. First they are very mean people, and second they would rather be hurtful then help as we have all seen... so all I can say is everyone not post, and be patient until we see these new posts.

Jeff
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#65 Consumer Comment

24 Please go take your Bull Somewhere else

AUTHOR: Tony - (U.S.A.)

24 please go take your lies and bull somewhere else. Jeff says he wants to be friends with everyone now. I think he doesn't want issues with Alan or Art anymore. Jeff wants to put it all behind him. Please go bug off!
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#66 Author of original report

24 keep trying!!!!

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

24 man keep trying.....

I am sure it will post. I know I have also written a lot of good stuff on these guys that also didn't go through.

It's even possible this "echo music" actually pays off rip off report to take down real evidence... it is POSSIBLE.

Please keep trying.

And it doesn't surprise me of the name change, they have such a terrible name right now, and all fans of Kelly know it. Even the fans want them to change the name because they are sick of people hating the company.. who wouldn't hate on these guys?

I mean its' outrageous what they do...not to mention likely paying off this "tony" guy to post the same libel over and over.

Anyone of my friends would come on here and tell everyone how great of a person I am I am just not spreading this crap around, they are likely mass e mailing ever person they know that would lie for them.

I would love it if you could save your post in word, so in case it doesn't post you can quickly re-post, if it doesn't go through, and also if rip off report is deleting this, make sure to contact the site and see what is going on.

This non-posting issue has happened to me 2 times before , so don't let that get in the way of posting your PROOF.
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#67 Author of original report

24 keep trying!!!!

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

24 man keep trying.....

I am sure it will post. I know I have also written a lot of good stuff on these guys that also didn't go through.

It's even possible this "echo music" actually pays off rip off report to take down real evidence... it is POSSIBLE.

Please keep trying.

And it doesn't surprise me of the name change, they have such a terrible name right now, and all fans of Kelly know it. Even the fans want them to change the name because they are sick of people hating the company.. who wouldn't hate on these guys?

I mean its' outrageous what they do...not to mention likely paying off this "tony" guy to post the same libel over and over.

Anyone of my friends would come on here and tell everyone how great of a person I am I am just not spreading this crap around, they are likely mass e mailing ever person they know that would lie for them.

I would love it if you could save your post in word, so in case it doesn't post you can quickly re-post, if it doesn't go through, and also if rip off report is deleting this, make sure to contact the site and see what is going on.

This non-posting issue has happened to me 2 times before , so don't let that get in the way of posting your PROOF.
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#68 Author of original report

24 keep trying!!!!

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

24 man keep trying.....

I am sure it will post. I know I have also written a lot of good stuff on these guys that also didn't go through.

It's even possible this "echo music" actually pays off rip off report to take down real evidence... it is POSSIBLE.

Please keep trying.

And it doesn't surprise me of the name change, they have such a terrible name right now, and all fans of Kelly know it. Even the fans want them to change the name because they are sick of people hating the company.. who wouldn't hate on these guys?

I mean its' outrageous what they do...not to mention likely paying off this "tony" guy to post the same libel over and over.

Anyone of my friends would come on here and tell everyone how great of a person I am I am just not spreading this crap around, they are likely mass e mailing ever person they know that would lie for them.

I would love it if you could save your post in word, so in case it doesn't post you can quickly re-post, if it doesn't go through, and also if rip off report is deleting this, make sure to contact the site and see what is going on.

This non-posting issue has happened to me 2 times before , so don't let that get in the way of posting your PROOF.
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#69 Consumer Suggestion

Hey all

AUTHOR: 24 - (U.S.A.)

I have tried many many times to reply to this topic to no avail. Trying to see if this works. I replied to the other post too and it would'nt go. Makes me wonder who is working on here. I posted proof twice and it never showed up. I just found out 2 weeks ago that echomusic has changed their name once again.
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#70 Author of original report

Friends

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Well I just hope that all of us, including Alan, Tony, Melissa, and Art at the end of the day can all be friends.

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Jeff Stackhouse (Mission, B.C.) Pervert, Molester, Predator

AUTHOR: Tony - (U.S.A.)

Jeff,

I see Jeff everyone else has problems or issues except for you. How convenient Jeff, Like Alan mentioned about your denial. Keep being in denial, it won't do you a bit of good. I also really liked Melissa's posts on here, thought it was very creative, thought out, and neat. Especially the part about you being bi-polar and wasting your self. Well put Melissa.

Jeff no matter how much you try, you are not winning this argument here.
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#72 Author of original report

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AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Also I wanted to add that I thought Melissa's comments about something she knows absolutely about what happen.

Don't believe me, I don't care what you think.

I know and believe in myself, and if I had to go through this in order to be able to express my views to the world then so be it.

I think a lot of people, don't know how to treat other people these days. All I wanted was to be treated fairly and with respect. I think people have lost respect for others, and I hope to bring back love and care for all people in the world if it is possible. I know it's a tall order, but I think it's possible, but we have to start by getting rid of the put downs, the judging of people you don't know, and the disrespect.

I am sorry about some of the last post but Melissa was really trolling and was trying to push my buttons, I am sorry I fell for such a lame attempt to anger me.

I need to ignore this, but it's hard when people are directing hate towards someone they would probably be good friends with in real life.

I am sure I would get along great with everyone who has ever posted here.... so what is the point of your hostility?

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AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Melissa you are just really judgmental. I think your post is insane actually.

Why the heck, would you waste an hour reading this?

Who are all you strange people that have nothing better to do then to bother me?

If that post wasn't cruel then you have a very cruel way of saying something nice to me.

I am not obsessed it was that they did to me that I was upset about.

Hey everyone else including the administrators were talking sexually about Kelly, I was the one being responsible... how would you know the situation, you were not even there.

Call me whatever you want to call me it's the same as me saying that you sound to me like a serial killer just because you posted one post. It makes no sense. I suggest you k*ll yourself too Melissa.

I never made anyone uncomfortable it was a cover up.

If anyone is the villain it's them.

You come across as a pedophile, I guess, since your making lies up about me.

I am not bi- anything, so please stay out of this... you have no right to even comment.

I trust myself, I trust good people. The only people I don't trust are the people posting on here. What's the deal with people going against me? It makes no sense... not at all...not one of you have the slightest clue what you are talking about.

Not one of you know anything about me.

Your making it up.

How do I not know if your one of the people behind all of this?

You sound like a real beeeeeeeeeeeeeotch dude.

Leave good people alone.

It's people like you that ruin a good world.

I was trying to help people.

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Wow! I've just killed an hour reading through this insanity.

AUTHOR: Melissa - (U.S.A.)

Jeff,

I'm not being cruel. I'm not poking fun. The truth is that you need serious professional help. No one in their right mind would be this obsessed because they were banned from a website. There are many actors that I am fans of. I love Rod Serling and Clark Gable. Sometimes I'll post comments on imdb.com about the actors. If I was banned, even if I did nothing wrong, it wouldn't phase me. I just wouldn't post there anymore. There are plenty of other places to post if I felt the need. If you wasted $60.00, you wasted $60.00. Chop it up to, 'you live and learn.'

What bothers me most of all is the way that you make jokes (at least, the Spongebob one that you admitted) and think there is nothing wrong with it. You are a thirty year old man. You should not be conversing with teenagers or children at all. That's weird. If I had a child, and I saw that you were discussing ANYTHING with them, I would be visiting Canada with a baseball bat. I mean that sincerely. Honestly, by your own posts alone, you make yourself sound like a pedophile. If you're not, you need help in learning what is appropriate and what is not. If you are, I suggest suicide.

The bottom line, is that you were making people feel uncomfortable and they banned you. The fact that you write these long diatribes professing innocence and claim to be victimized is strange. It isn't normal for someone to act in that fashion. You need help. The way that your posts reflect depression one moment and elation the next makes me think you may be bipolar. You should talk to a therapist.

Making Alan a villain isn't helping your case. Go back and read the posts you have made from a reader's perspective (rather than the author's). You come across as a very creepy and deluded person. It doesn't help your case.

You need just to relax and realize that the internet is not real life. There is an entire world outside that should be explored. First, you have to seek therapy!! Trust me when I say that you are not right. Hell, don't trust me. Go to a therapist and let them tell you.
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#75 Author of original report

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AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Steve, first off, to prove you 100% wrong, tell me how many teen girls are in the Metalica fan club? I bet it's mostly men my age.

Second I agree with Tony, it is nonsensical.

I am sorry what they did was LIBEL then, I don't know much about law.

And the idea of my original post WAS A CONSUMER COMPLAINT. The Kelly Clarkson fan club ripped me off several times and I just wanted to let people know that.

End of Story.

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#76 Consumer Comment

This nonsense.

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

This entire escapade is nonsensical.

This type of issue that you two continue to blather about belongs in civil court - that's IF either of you actually had a case - not criminal.

This type of issue belongs on Jerry Springer.

FYI, slander is false statements that are made verbally.

LIBEL is false statements that are put to writing.

The TRUTH is an absolute defense against any civil suit brought for alleged slander and/or libel.

This website isn't a "dr phil" type of discussion board - it's to help folks with consumer issues, not for continuing some sort of personal fued.

I really wish one of you would file a civil action and settle the matter instead of taking up bandwidth, but hey, that's my opinion.
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#77 Consumer Comment

This is totally ridiculous!

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

Jeff,

Are you a grown man?

Let me clue you in to something. "Fan Clubs" are for little teenage girls!

Get a life!!
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#78 Author of original report

Who are you Robert? Do you feel they crossed the line of decency?

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Robert are you a police officer?

If so do you know if the Canadian Police can arrest people in the U.S.?

I think they crossed the line, all of them.

Slander is not good though, it can be as bad is any other crime, it can ruin lives and can cause any amount of terrible things.

I simply asked if they could remove the slander and now they are just making more slander.

The thing is about suing them is that, I really have no money at all, so the point of them suing me is useless.I can't afford a lawyer...they know that so thats why they have the smug attitudes... And they have millions, so I guess if I sued them I could get a few million, but I never even mentioned anything to sue anyone. I just wanted to work it out, and they obviously don' t listen and don't care to listen.

Well these are "supposed" to be professional acting people, and as you can see they clearly are acting like teenagers or worse.

I sure do wish to end it but you can see how they crossed the line of decency.

Jeff

Oh please keep in mind that I only responded when they did. ( or when they tried to get a angered response from me )
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#79 Consumer Comment

We don't arrest folks for slander or libel

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

The police won't help you.

Get a lawyer and file a lawsuit already - BOTH OF YOU.

Seems to me that neither of you wish to end this nonsense.
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#80 Author of original report

Police Time

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Tony you clearly have mental issues if you think you know me from some fake posts.

If you keep it up I will contact the police about you.

I really don't care.

Your pushing your luck.
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#81 Consumer Comment

Christine don't listen to Jeff at all one bit, Jeff is a mental case that blames everything on his anxiety issues.

AUTHOR: Tony - (U.S.A.)

Christine Do not pay any attention to Jeff, Thank you for posting on this site and sharing how you feel. Jeff is a weirdo and I am glad that you had the brains to notice this. Alan and Art also both know first hand that Jeff is whacked out, that is why Jeff got banned from the Kellysite and many other sites. Alan makes a good point too, there are others same age as Jeff or older and they don't get banned like Jeff does.

Christine remember there's nothing stopping you from posting a compliant on Jeff Stackhouse on this site, since he has made it a point to say that he is going to complain about you. Remember the real reason he is mad is because you can see that he is a pedophile and a sicko, plus you not agreeing with him really ruins his day. See Jeff is mentally unstable, he just doesn't get it, and then he writes on-and-on aimlessly, like a mental case. That is a classic sign of someone who is not all the way there. If you also notice jeff can not keep to the same subject either as he writes, he is here, he is there, he is everywhere. None of it makes since.

I also again thank Alan for bringing Jeffs sexually deviant behavior to light on this thread on Jeff Stackhouse, Mission, BC. Alan you are also right on Jeff and the denial issues, he just won't admit that he is a pervert.

People remember to contact the RCMP in Mission, B.C., if you have info on Jeff Stackhouse or know someone who has been victimized by Jeff Stackhouse.

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AUTHOR: Alan - (U.S.A.)

If this is all because your are 'older' Jeff, then why isn't there a problem with Art and many others who are older than you are? Obviously, in your own words, Art talks to the same people and goes to the same sites to post, so do many others who are odler than you. once again, you make rediculous statements that you can't back up, simply adding to your lack of credibility and proving even further how you fabricate things to justify your lude and inapppriate behavior. You're the only one who can't see it, which is natural actually, there aren't many criminals in prison either who openly admit to what they do unlessit's for a plea bargain, they always come up with rediculous things to try to prove their innocence, in your case, everything you come up with goes totally against what everyone can see in your own postings.

again, if it is simply becuse your oler, then why are you the only one with this problem on all these sites where there are hundreds of regulars who are older than you are? (and don't even try to bring up '24' as they aren'tgetting themselves in trouble for indecent behavoir around minors, whatever problem that person had on any fanclub is not the same as your problem).
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AUTHOR: Alan - (U.S.A.)

If this is all because your are 'older' Jeff, then why isn't there a problem with Art and many others who are older than you are? Obviously, in your own words, Art talks to the same people and goes to the same sites to post, so do many others who are odler than you. once again, you make rediculous statements that you can't back up, simply adding to your lack of credibility and proving even further how you fabricate things to justify your lude and inapppriate behavior. You're the only one who can't see it, which is natural actually, there aren't many criminals in prison either who openly admit to what they do unlessit's for a plea bargain, they always come up with rediculous things to try to prove their innocence, in your case, everything you come up with goes totally against what everyone can see in your own postings.

again, if it is simply becuse your oler, then why are you the only one with this problem on all these sites where there are hundreds of regulars who are older than you are? (and don't even try to bring up '24' as they aren'tgetting themselves in trouble for indecent behavoir around minors, whatever problem that person had on any fanclub is not the same as your problem).
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AUTHOR: Alan - (U.S.A.)

If this is all because your are 'older' Jeff, then why isn't there a problem with Art and many others who are older than you are? Obviously, in your own words, Art talks to the same people and goes to the same sites to post, so do many others who are odler than you. once again, you make rediculous statements that you can't back up, simply adding to your lack of credibility and proving even further how you fabricate things to justify your lude and inapppriate behavior. You're the only one who can't see it, which is natural actually, there aren't many criminals in prison either who openly admit to what they do unlessit's for a plea bargain, they always come up with rediculous things to try to prove their innocence, in your case, everything you come up with goes totally against what everyone can see in your own postings.

again, if it is simply becuse your oler, then why are you the only one with this problem on all these sites where there are hundreds of regulars who are older than you are? (and don't even try to bring up '24' as they aren'tgetting themselves in trouble for indecent behavoir around minors, whatever problem that person had on any fanclub is not the same as your problem).
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AUTHOR: Alan - (U.S.A.)

If this is all because your are 'older' Jeff, then why isn't there a problem with Art and many others who are older than you are? Obviously, in your own words, Art talks to the same people and goes to the same sites to post, so do many others who are odler than you. once again, you make rediculous statements that you can't back up, simply adding to your lack of credibility and proving even further how you fabricate things to justify your lude and inapppriate behavior. You're the only one who can't see it, which is natural actually, there aren't many criminals in prison either who openly admit to what they do unlessit's for a plea bargain, they always come up with rediculous things to try to prove their innocence, in your case, everything you come up with goes totally against what everyone can see in your own postings.

again, if it is simply becuse your oler, then why are you the only one with this problem on all these sites where there are hundreds of regulars who are older than you are? (and don't even try to bring up '24' as they aren'tgetting themselves in trouble for indecent behavoir around minors, whatever problem that person had on any fanclub is not the same as your problem).
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Trolling: Will be reported.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

To Christine

Your comment is trolling and it's really really terrible and doesn't deserve a response and I will actually file a complaint about you to this website.

I really don't think you are normal Christine if you have hate in your heart for someone you don't know at all.

You seriously need some help. Pedophiles are terrible.. that wasn't even an issue here. I happened to post some booty comments and it was taken way too far out of proportion. I was sad about it because all of the other members were posting them as well, and I was targeted because of my age, which if I lied about, I would never have had to go through this. I never lie, so I had to deal with the consequences of being an honest person.

Your post to me is what I see is wrong with the world. Too much hate, judgment, and pent up anger.

We are not like that in Canada.

Chill out, and re-read what a Pedophile actually is before you say I am one.Thanks.

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AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

This is my response to Art.

Where did I confess anything?

24 will return I am sure he/she will not let you get away with this.

The support I deserve I am sure will come. I had faith throughout all of the putdowns that support would eventually come my way. It just took a while to come.

"The memory"?

Yes I have learnt a lot of great things. I have made a lot of great friends from this as well... its not like it's been a complete loss. I mean I have lost many things, but I have learnt a lot too.

I have learnt to be kinder, more caring, more loving, sweet, more understanding, quite a bit more cautious about the kinds of people that are on the internet, of course, I have taught a lesson to people about hackers, and cyber-stalking ( e-stalking) I have warned people about bad fan clubs, and bad management, I have helped more people then I know, which is a good thing.

Well if it's been 5 years or 2, the point is, it's gone on for far too long, and this is all of us agreeing on the same thing.

Ya to be honest I basically got screwed because I was older then the other people on the site. I thought I could be myself, and that I could act like myself on the site, and obviously I would never have posted what I did if I knew anything like this would have happened.

Well I appreciate your concern. I have gotten over the majority of issues I had a long time ago. I am a very different person then I was way back when I joined the Kelly fan club in the beginning ( which is why I don't understand why I can't have a fresh start)

I mean if I was given a fresh start I could prove to you how I have changed.

Well, the thing is, I got frusterated when I saw everyone else commenting in the same fashion as me, but I was the one to get banned and the other girls were allowed to say it freely. It just was a difficult thing for me to go through. I hope you understand.

Well I am happy that I gave you a good friend in Alan , Art. I am hoping you both are not as bad people in person as you have been to me on the internet. Most people are much different in person, including me. I am sure we would all get along fine in person. A lot of people are like that. On the computer it's hard to know who you are really talking too... even now, after talking with you all for so long, I really don't know what you would be like if we met. I can imagine what it would be like, but the chances are that what I imagined and what it would really be like are two totally different situations.

In person I am the most non-aggressive, most shy person you would ever meet.

I agree no more prices need to be paid for what happened. I think I have paid a huge price, and the lessons learned are huge.

Ya Kelly is the best.

She loves to teach lessons even if it's difficult to go through, so ya thanks to Kelly Clarkson.

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Well Put Christine, Jeff Stackhouse (Mission, B.C.) is a whack job and a child molester, online predator.

AUTHOR: Tony - (U.S.A.)

Canada does not protect pedophiles, what they have to have, to put a case together is witness statements and victim statements. I am currently waiting for the crown council and the RCMP in Mission, B.C. to charge Jeff Stackhouse for soliciting a minor for sexual use. Most of Jeff Stackhouse's victims are teenage girls under the age of 18, most of them located in the United States. Most of them he solicited on the MYspace site and various fan club sites on the internet. Wouldn't surprise me if the RCMP has been monitoring this post the whole time.

What Alan and Art need to do is forward their logs and files to the RCMP and Crown Council in Mission, B.C., that would help them build more on the case they have with Jeff. If you are a victim of Jeff you can google search the RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police) for Mission, B.C.. It will give you contact numbers for the RCMP Detachment. The RCMP investigate and turn the info over to the Crown Council to pursue. Once Jeff is arrested (and trust me he will be) then he will be labeled a sex offender under the laws of Canada and the Province of B.C.. Once released he will have to fulfill his conditions of parole, which will probably include not being near any schools, children, posses child pornography, etc.

Jeff tries to deny he did nothing wrong, he has propositioned children for sex on the internet, even by his own words on this site he admits to making sexual jokes with teenagers and underage people to do with Kelly Clarkson's vagina and his Bob (Sponge Bob) in the shower. He thinks it is funny. Once Jeff is locked up he will probably be beaten up by other inmates. It is up now to the Victims of Jeff to contact the RCMP and the Moderators of the websites to turn in the info they have. Not just talk to U.S. Law enforcement but to contact the RCMP. Victims can also contact the U.S. Marshals Office in Seattle and Vancouver, the FBI also has an Office in Seattle and Vancouver, they can take the info to the Canadian Authorities.

Please any victims please contact the Authorities and help get Jeff Stackhouse behind bars. Sounds right eh? Here is the contact info below for the RCMP.

Mission RCMP Municipal Detachment
7171 Oliver Street
Mission, BC V2V 6H2
Office: (604) 826-7161
Fax: (604) 820-3548

Thanks, Tony
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The PEDOPHILE that Jeff really is

AUTHOR: Christine - (U.S.A.)

It pains me to see that people like Jeff are allowed to roam the world, even if just by internet, with the cloak of being in another country covering him.

As it stands, ALL PEDOPHILES believe that they are not hurting the child. ALL PEDOPHILES believe that what they do is love the child. It is only love in your mind. It is sick and wrong in mine and all normal human beings.

Has anyone considered checking Canada's laws and tip-line to report A PEDOPHILE NAMED JEFF? I am sure that Canada believes in protecting its children as much as America works to protect its children.

I commend people who take the time to watch out for PEDOPHILES, LIKE JEFF, and BAN them from ever belonging, or coming back, to a site which attracts children and teens.

As for this post, to the people doing the good job, not Jeff, I say this: You will waste lots of time responding to his posts and will waste too much of your life trying to prove something his own posts proved. It is VERY apparent, with all his double speak, that this man is truly guilty of being a PEDOPHILE. He can protest his innocence all he wants, to the average reader who just happens upon this post, like myself, it is apparent that he is NOT innocent.

I would recommend that ALL responses to this PEDOPHILE halt, and should he continue to talk to himself, then what is said in truth above, should just be copied and pasted, to show the crazy nut for what he really is, a PEDOPHILE.

I PRAY he has NOT changed the life of an innocent child by misconstruing his fantasy for reality.

I would look into what Canada's rules are for tipping off the authorities about this PEDOPHILE. He deserves to be locked away in a prison, only to be shown the folly of his ways by men who don't take too kindly to PEDOPHILES, such as him.

My words are true and from a mother's heart. I will not reply to your inconsistencies and lies, they are not worth my time.

YOU ARE A PEDOPHILE AND SHOULD BE HUNG BY YOUR TESTICLES, SO YOU CANNOT CAUSE ANYMORE HARM TO CHILDREN.

I am sure that some people truly are banned from websites for getting into tiffs with moderators. However, in this case, it is truly NOT the case. Jeff's own words have shown him to be a PEDOPHILE.

This post is truly beyond a mere banning from a website forum. I hope that others see it for what it truly is: A PEDOPHILE COMPLAINING THAT HE CANNOT TALK TO MINORS AND MAKE SEXUAL COMMENTS TO THEM ANYMORE.
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FINALLY (might have posted once but page froze so 2nd attempt)

AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

Finally jeff confesses (indirectly) and agrees to quit his whinning. I think it also shows 24 has nothing and he lost any dream of support.

I think alan made a clear posting that is even clear enough for jeff to understand and that jeff now sees plenty has been done and saved to prove it even if he wants to totally deny it or claim modification. Something finally sparked the memory.

Jeff maybe this is not a total loss for you. Honestly, the one bit of advice that you hopefully learned is that you need to think things through a little better and be very careful of what you say and who you make the comments to. Do not guess and assume so many things. Also know that you are responisbile for your own actions. If there is a problem with your actions dont try to push the blame off on somebody else like alan, pinky, morgan or me. It might be hard to believe but not everything dpesmt always go your way. At times life sucks but you cant worry about it and make an issue over it for 5 yrs (by your book) or 2 years which is more like it with the part I am very familiar with regarding kellyville. Sites like kellyville that are mainly message boards are sites you have to be even more careful with. You might not have intended your postings to be so bad but what a 30 yr old finds bad compared to a 14 yr old or the parents of the kid who are concerned with what their child is reading. The protection of kids will always take priority as a precaution (and should) so maybe poor wording, not thinking it through and rush of thought made things seem wrong and out of context. Another great place to get in trouble with kids is myspace, so watch what you post there and know people do remember things and myspace has full access to delete things like your ascii drawing. You have the contradictions where on your myspace you said how you had so much free time and were proud of the drawing you made of kelly and even had KELLY above it. Now you claim you didnt create it so not sure which part is true. However it doesnt matter if you created it of if it was supposed to be kelly or miss canada it is still an example of something you did and didnt think in full. If you still dont want to believe me and take my advice be that way but it is only going to continue to hurt you in the future. Alan and I have honestly tried giving you advice and guidance but you seem to feel we are just out to hurt you in every way we can and honestly if you pay attention to things you would know that is not true. You should go to speak to someone for help and advice and see what a counciler/doctor/advisor might tell you and take their advice. I bet that person would make suggestions similar to the ones we have to this day

Regarding your comment that you consider the being bullied one, you are going to be in shock when a real life issue of bullying takes place with a serious issue or battle in life. I dont know how you can say alan or I bullied you in any way as we just used the facts and experiences we have been through to this point. I am not sure if you totally believe alan and I arenot the same person but I promise we are. I think we are similiar in several ways since we are close in age, both self employed, we deal with issue like this or some other problem daily and we have both dealt with you before and in your case we both had the dealing with you as being a bad experience for you. But maybe you learned something from this like show a little more respect, don't be so agressive and grant people privacy. If you step away for awhile and dont press the point to such an extent things go better.

Once again I thank you since if it wasnt for the problems with you I would not have the friend I now do with alan. I have never met him or even talked to him on the phone but know I can get help from him if needed and he knows if he is needing help with something he can contact me. If there wasnt an issue with you would never have been added to kellyville staff and if I was not staff there are a lot of people I now chat with and have become friends with that I never would have met. 2 of these people are now 2 of my great friends to this day and I only met them due to complaints they had about you (whether true or not). Whatever the case I have some great friends through all this.

So now that you are willing to accept the price you paid for your actions and move on maybe things will only get better for you and just remember to think things through before actions are taken in the future so no more prices are paid that are prices you dont want to pay.

Art

KELLY ROX

ps: I guess a special thanks is owed to kelly clarkson too as without her NONE of this would have ever taken place. So, kelly, jeff and alan THANKS for leading to so many friends.
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AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

Finally jeff confesses (indirectly) and agrees to quit his whinning. I think it also shows 24 has nothing and he lost any dream of support.

I think alan made a clear posting that is even clear enough for jeff to understand and that jeff now sees plenty has been done and saved to prove it even if he wants to totally deny it or claim modification. Something finally sparked the memory.

Jeff maybe this is not a total loss for you. Honestly, the one bit of advice that you hopefully learned is that you need to think things through a little better and be very careful of what you say and who you make the comments to. Do not guess and assume so many things. Also know that you are responisbile for your own actions. If there is a problem with your actions dont try to push the blame off on somebody else like alan, pinky, morgan or me. It might be hard to believe but not everything dpesmt always go your way. At times life sucks but you cant worry about it and make an issue over it for 5 yrs (by your book) or 2 years which is more like it with the part I am very familiar with regarding kellyville. Sites like kellyville that are mainly message boards are sites you have to be even more careful with. You might not have intended your postings to be so bad but what a 30 yr old finds bad compared to a 14 yr old or the parents of the kid who are concerned with what their child is reading. The protection of kids will always take priority as a precaution (and should) so maybe poor wording, not thinking it through and rush of thought made things seem wrong and out of context. Another great place to get in trouble with kids is myspace, so watch what you post there and know people do remember things and myspace has full access to delete things like your ascii drawing. You have the contradictions where on your myspace you said how you had so much free time and were proud of the drawing you made of kelly and even had KELLY above it. Now you claim you didnt create it so not sure which part is true. However it doesnt matter if you created it of if it was supposed to be kelly or miss canada it is still an example of something you did and didnt think in full. If you still dont want to believe me and take my advice be that way but it is only going to continue to hurt you in the future. Alan and I have honestly tried giving you advice and guidance but you seem to feel we are just out to hurt you in every way we can and honestly if you pay attention to things you would know that is not true. You should go to speak to someone for help and advice and see what a counciler/doctor/advisor might tell you and take their advice. I bet that person would make suggestions similar to the ones we have to this day

Regarding your comment that you consider the being bullied one, you are going to be in shock when a real life issue of bullying takes place with a serious issue or battle in life. I dont know how you can say alan or I bullied you in any way as we just used the facts and experiences we have been through to this point. I am not sure if you totally believe alan and I arenot the same person but I promise we are. I think we are similiar in several ways since we are close in age, both self employed, we deal with issue like this or some other problem daily and we have both dealt with you before and in your case we both had the dealing with you as being a bad experience for you. But maybe you learned something from this like show a little more respect, don't be so agressive and grant people privacy. If you step away for awhile and dont press the point to such an extent things go better.

Once again I thank you since if it wasnt for the problems with you I would not have the friend I now do with alan. I have never met him or even talked to him on the phone but know I can get help from him if needed and he knows if he is needing help with something he can contact me. If there wasnt an issue with you would never have been added to kellyville staff and if I was not staff there are a lot of people I now chat with and have become friends with that I never would have met. 2 of these people are now 2 of my great friends to this day and I only met them due to complaints they had about you (whether true or not). Whatever the case I have some great friends through all this.

So now that you are willing to accept the price you paid for your actions and move on maybe things will only get better for you and just remember to think things through before actions are taken in the future so no more prices are paid that are prices you dont want to pay.

Art

KELLY ROX

ps: I guess a special thanks is owed to kelly clarkson too as without her NONE of this would have ever taken place. So, kelly, jeff and alan THANKS for leading to so many friends.
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AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

Finally jeff confesses (indirectly) and agrees to quit his whinning. I think it also shows 24 has nothing and he lost any dream of support.

I think alan made a clear posting that is even clear enough for jeff to understand and that jeff now sees plenty has been done and saved to prove it even if he wants to totally deny it or claim modification. Something finally sparked the memory.

Jeff maybe this is not a total loss for you. Honestly, the one bit of advice that you hopefully learned is that you need to think things through a little better and be very careful of what you say and who you make the comments to. Do not guess and assume so many things. Also know that you are responisbile for your own actions. If there is a problem with your actions dont try to push the blame off on somebody else like alan, pinky, morgan or me. It might be hard to believe but not everything dpesmt always go your way. At times life sucks but you cant worry about it and make an issue over it for 5 yrs (by your book) or 2 years which is more like it with the part I am very familiar with regarding kellyville. Sites like kellyville that are mainly message boards are sites you have to be even more careful with. You might not have intended your postings to be so bad but what a 30 yr old finds bad compared to a 14 yr old or the parents of the kid who are concerned with what their child is reading. The protection of kids will always take priority as a precaution (and should) so maybe poor wording, not thinking it through and rush of thought made things seem wrong and out of context. Another great place to get in trouble with kids is myspace, so watch what you post there and know people do remember things and myspace has full access to delete things like your ascii drawing. You have the contradictions where on your myspace you said how you had so much free time and were proud of the drawing you made of kelly and even had KELLY above it. Now you claim you didnt create it so not sure which part is true. However it doesnt matter if you created it of if it was supposed to be kelly or miss canada it is still an example of something you did and didnt think in full. If you still dont want to believe me and take my advice be that way but it is only going to continue to hurt you in the future. Alan and I have honestly tried giving you advice and guidance but you seem to feel we are just out to hurt you in every way we can and honestly if you pay attention to things you would know that is not true. You should go to speak to someone for help and advice and see what a counciler/doctor/advisor might tell you and take their advice. I bet that person would make suggestions similar to the ones we have to this day

Regarding your comment that you consider the being bullied one, you are going to be in shock when a real life issue of bullying takes place with a serious issue or battle in life. I dont know how you can say alan or I bullied you in any way as we just used the facts and experiences we have been through to this point. I am not sure if you totally believe alan and I arenot the same person but I promise we are. I think we are similiar in several ways since we are close in age, both self employed, we deal with issue like this or some other problem daily and we have both dealt with you before and in your case we both had the dealing with you as being a bad experience for you. But maybe you learned something from this like show a little more respect, don't be so agressive and grant people privacy. If you step away for awhile and dont press the point to such an extent things go better.

Once again I thank you since if it wasnt for the problems with you I would not have the friend I now do with alan. I have never met him or even talked to him on the phone but know I can get help from him if needed and he knows if he is needing help with something he can contact me. If there wasnt an issue with you would never have been added to kellyville staff and if I was not staff there are a lot of people I now chat with and have become friends with that I never would have met. 2 of these people are now 2 of my great friends to this day and I only met them due to complaints they had about you (whether true or not). Whatever the case I have some great friends through all this.

So now that you are willing to accept the price you paid for your actions and move on maybe things will only get better for you and just remember to think things through before actions are taken in the future so no more prices are paid that are prices you dont want to pay.

Art

KELLY ROX

ps: I guess a special thanks is owed to kelly clarkson too as without her NONE of this would have ever taken place. So, kelly, jeff and alan THANKS for leading to so many friends.
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i've already posted the proof

AUTHOR: Alan - (U.S.A.)

Jeff, I posted screenshot images of your 'ascii' drawing, with Kelly's name on it, and the words SEXY under it also in ascii.. it also says it took YOU awhile to draw it and you're proud of it..

Whether it was meant to be Kelly or not is not the point, it was a nude drawing nota appropriate for all to see, against MySpace terms, they removed it, you got pissed about it, and we ahve screenshots of your rants about it being removed.

As for 'trying to contact Pinky', you didn't try to email him towards the end, you started only weeks after you were banned, which was after several warnings,, which are also all saved. Your first warning was over your screenname and comments you made in every post you did about Kelly's 'BOOTY', which were reported by many members. You're reply to this first warning was 'why can girls discuss it, but not me?'.

You've already admitted to the things you did right on this report, now your going back to denying everything you already admitted to. You need serious professional help with your issues. For your own good, you should seek some.

ou file complaints liek this one, with innacurate information (like saying you've been dealing with it for 5 years when the fan club is only 3 years old, and your account is still there with when you joined it in 2005) Your the one who pointed fingers at people not knowing who did what, accusing people of things you can't even prove. 75% of your psots here have nothing to do with you're complaint, it's more of a personal thing which proves more you have the mentality of a child, not a 30 year old man.
This report and your ramblings are even more reason to keep you banned for life from al the sites you've been banned on. Do you honestly think all you did to get yourself banned on the fan club wasn't provided to their insurance company and lawyers for review? that's standard procedure in case some crazy lunatic like yourself decides to file a lawsuit, they have everything documented ready to present to a judge or arbitrator. You have absolutly no clue how things work in the real world, never mind knowing what you're getting yourself into. The more you banter on, make false accusations, false statements, make claims without proof, the more you hurt yourself. Anyone who tries to explain it to you, you refuse to listen, and isntantly start pointing fingers at them claiming their agaisnt you as well.
Fact: the world is not against Jeff STackhouse, FACT: the world could care less about Jeff Stackhouse. Nothing centers around you except your own life, in spite of how much you wish everything did (like starting your own fan club, and pretending your an important person in the entertainment business with all these celebrity friends who don't even know who you are). You hven't the slightest clue who you talk to online, or who those people know, you don't think for a single second that maybe when you tell you stories to people, they may be able to check and see if it's true or not.
I've tried to help you, including in this very report.. you refuse to hear what you did wrong, even what you admit to, you continue to deny and blame others for. The only person you have to blame is yourself.
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#94 Author of original report

Fine it's over (no sequal/ threequal ) RIP to the longest running Rip Off Report Ever....right guys?

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Alan,

I never denied anything, Pinky said to wait a year and I was in the middle of asking him what went on. He said " you didn't do anything" and then I said then "why do I have to wait a year if I didn't do anything" but I when things were worked out, yes I did wait the year. I got a bit antsy at the end because there was no one to answer my questions and Pinky had disappeared.

I don't think you should be able to ban whenever you feel like banning, that's a really terrible thing law to have in my opinion.

Alan like I told you, the five years was from when I was a fan, not in the Fan club, I believe the fan club has been around about 3 or more years, and I have been dealing with pretty much since I joined unfortunately. I don't need anyone twisting my words.

I DID NOT CONTACT YOU : meaning exactly what I said before listen please. I was dealing with Pinky G. I was talking to him about this and his statement "You did nothing wrong, BUT I will have to ban you for a year just in case" was just strange to me, and I was e-mailing him during that time until we got it worked out. I think waited the year, and I e mailed Pinky because I had heard nothing, and wouldn't you know, no one was there named Pinky any more. So I e-mailed Alan and Morgan and anyone I could find and I think that is what you are talking about. How would you like it, if you were told you could be back on a site, and then you find out the person who promised that to you is gone?

OK ALAN, listen please for the last time ok, your question "how is dening you drew an ascii nude drawing at all, then stating it wasn't of Kelly, in spite of it having her name on it, being consistant on your part?"
is first of all "nonesense" that I know you don't like , so why ask it?

Second, I never did that, and it's not of Kelly. It looks to me to be of a random girl. I saw it on Facebook the other day and if I see it again I will copy and past it to prove you are lying.

It is quite popular on websites and people have been forwarding it around a lot.

Kelly's name wasn't on it at all. Where are you getting your info?

Can you honestly say a girl like that looks like Kelly in anyway shape or form?

Plus I am horrible with computers. I could never use those symbols to make that type of art, however it is well done.

It was there ya, but it's still up on many many many people's myspaces and facebooks, it's just that some person on your side, not sure who it was I won't make a judgment on who I think it is, but someone told myspace on me. No one cares about that, I have seen much worse stuff on most people's facebooks and myspace, are you out to get me...Yes.

Well I think you guys waited so long to post here because I think you didn't know it was up, I think once you found out you started to talk back.

...and no more "nonsense" posts please ( as Alan would say) I have no time/energy for it.

Your looking for contradictions where they aren't any, you looking at a piece of artwork as depicting someone who it is not...why?

I don't appreciate you guys trying to make things up and saying things about me that are not true. Sure I want this to end as much as anyone but you and Art keep posting and that doesn't make it stop any faster, sure I should not post much, but when I am brief you guys ask more questions so I have to keep explaining things.

I didn't even post that much on here for a long while. I was even posting very brief statements because I am sick of it.

I think what needs to be said from all of us ( ART, ME , ALAN) is now said. If we can't work it out, which you all said we can't, then we will just let it die out and I'll hopefully sell the rights to it.

I sure can do "it" and I will.

Just tell Art and the rest of the bullies to leave me alone.

Thank you

Jeff

( PS: If "24" does posts that's up to him/her but at least lets NOT post anymore ( ME, ALAN, ART ) )

What's said is said. What is done is done. The points are made.
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#95 Author of original report

The point is that on one is perfect ( don't claim you are )

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Not really the point Art. I was saying that you guys are saying you are perfect, and I am asking if you are Jesus.. because he was the only person alive in history that was considered "perfect" ( or as perfect as possible )

Well I have my doubts if Jesus trusted everyone. ( I am pretty sure that Jesus didn't trust everyone... actually Jesus knew that people didn't trust him )

All websites can alter material posted. Just because it's on a website doesn't make it real. Do you read and believe everything in the National Enquirer? That newspaper clams everything in it is real, but unless you believe in 3 headed dragons and plates of spaghetti that look like Jesus then you are not believing "the facts".

When did I ever say I was Jesus? I never said I was Jesus. I am saying that you are not perfect ( and you were claiming you were) and that all of you there have and will do things that are not right. We all do that. We try our best not to... but no one is perfect... not even me.

Well when "24" provides his proof, my proof becomes backed up because if happened to him or her it's easy to understand how and why it happened to me as well.

Just wait and be patient and don't keep obsessing over altered facts, that's getting old.

Jeff
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#96 UPDATE EX-employee responds

you just said it yourself Jeff

AUTHOR: Alan - (U.S.A.)

You jsut admitted what you have been denying Jeff.. you were told to wait one year, and not to conact any of us. There were no questions, and no reason for you to contact any of us. you constantly emailed us about being let back on, and constantly told it wasn't going to happen for a year. You refused to stop, and your ban became perminent.

Saying 5 years is very important. You stated you've been 'dealing' with this for 5 years.. that is a false statement (as many of your statements are). What you mean to say won't hold up in any court, but what you do say will. You expect people to believe anything you say when you make comments like 'dealing with this for 5 years' on a complaint about a fan club that's only been around for 3 years. That only shows how you exagerate and twist things even more in an atttempt to make people feel sorry for you.
You're exact words, inclduing in this report, was'I did not contact you', and ehre you are saying how you did. How do you justify that? I have been very direct in exactly what you have done, and what you do wrong over and over again, and here you are continueing to do the same things.

You say there is nothing but consistancy in what you post here? how is dening you drew an ascii nude drawing at all, then stating it wasn't of Kelly, in spite of it having her name on it, being consistant on your part? The fact of that one is, you did it, it was there, it was inappropriate, MySpace removed it, and you decided to blame everyone else for what you did wrong.

You could have very easily just stayed away, followed directions and not contacted people who asked you not to contact them, listened to people denied you on their myspace rather than continuing to try and add them, and not point fingers at people you assume did things when in fact, they didn't, and you probably would ahve been back on the sites for another chance a long time ago, but did you listen? of course not. Instead, you do things like this report, claiming we all started everything, yet, we didn't even respond to this report until it was already going for 6 months.

Just remember one thing Jeff, as you continue your nonsense on ehre, this all gets archived on search engines and internet archives for anyone to bring up and see. Your only furthering your risk of other sites denying you access as a precaution from your own words. I told you several times to choose your words carefully and re-read what you state, you haven't. You're only continuing to hurt yourself. There's nothing anyone can do to help you at this point, the damage is already done by you. You're only salvation is to give it all a long rest already and not give anyone else a reason to go checking on things you may have done elsewhere. I personally don't think you can do it, or you would have a long time ago.
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#97 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Same Level Of Trust

AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

Jeff

Keep in mind that if you are going to mention Jesus and how he is the perfect person, Jesus would also trust all of us not just who you want him to trust. You have never answered the question or proven that the only documents that will not be considered altered are the ones that favor you. We can all play that game and yours and your supporters are the ones who are altering. As an example one of alans posting is directly from another website, go check that website and you will see it was not altered. With the proof that alan didnt alter that one we shall believe he is not altering anything.

If we need to believe and trust one person all people deserve the same creditibility unless you are Jesus you have no right to be superior to any of us and decide who is to be trusted and who will not be.

Are you Jesus? I don't think so either so I am (along with alan) just as credible as you and 24 or any other person you want to believe. You dont set the rules and know or pick who to trust and who is lying or modifying. I say trust all and will believe 24 if I am believed as well. If I and alan are not credible neither are your supporters. Just remember you are not the one in charge of the choosing whose proof is modified. Also remember that even if 24 was screwed over by the fanclub and/or whoever else still doesnt prove it is for the same reason you were or that it didnt happen to you for a different reason. All cases are individual cases and based on facts of each case.
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#98 Author of original report

Alan please, I am letting all of this drift away calmly, lets not try to stir things up please. Hollywood Film of my Story?

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Well what I mean by five years is when I first became a fan of Kelly C.

Whenever you think I joined or didn't join has really nothing to do with what happened.

My facts remain the same. I can't find any inconsistent writings.

The being patient thing was not intended as a joke at all. I don't think it's funny that you saw it that way.

I never "bugged" anyone first of all. And I truly did mean it when I said I waited a year and when I asked Pinky in a year he was not there. I may have asked a few questions in the meantime but it was not bugging. I just wanted to know what they thought I did so I could try to understand what happened.

When did I admit to bugging people after a week? I never admitted it because I didn't do that.

Whining is not part of this report, Alan. Can I not speak out without you saying it's whining? Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

Altering facts? Denying things? Sorry never happened in my posts.

I haven't read this whole thing and never will. When I write it's to get my thoughts out of me. I never said I would re-read all of it. I'd rather write a book then read this. ( or almost anything else)

Oh and not to down play the seriousness of all of what happened to me here but if anyone in hollywood wants to make this into a movie, which I think would be very compelling, seeing as we are getting people that are not even involved posting, I will sell the rights to it for 5-10 million, which can be negotiated. Hey, I never got anything from the the sites... think of the countless hours and the stress and torment that I had to endure and I don't see the KCFV or Kellyville handing over any money, so I will just sell the rights to the rip off report.. since it is my Rip Off Report....and live happily ever after.

I can see it now

Steve Buscemi as Alan
Brad Pitt as Jeff
Danny Devito as Art

With Jamie Lynn Spears and Miley Cyrus as the young girls on msn employed by the websites to stalk Jeff.

Dane Cook as "24" for some hard-hitting comedy (and facts)

And featuring a very special appearance by Miss Kelly Clarkson as herself

I think it would make MILLIONS.

With new Music By Kelly, Reba, Graham Colton, Rooney and more!

Just an idea the industry can take a look at. The movies these days making $44 million in the first week ( Cloverfield ) have nothing on this idea. I mean a whole movie of shaky camcorder footage makes that much ???( and ya I did see it) ...come on this will make 50 million first weekend no problem... but the budget to make it could be quite high with these well-paid actors and the rights to the story, director , SFX, ect.

It wouldn't be a SFX picture, but could have some CGI in the parts where the viruses take shape of crazy bug type monsters going into my computer. and they find there way in and then destroy the evidence, like evidence seeking creepy ugly things, so the audience is inside the computer with the viruses sent out by the computer hacker.

I'm getting into this really deeply, if the writers want more ideas for the script I can help out, I have tons of ideas for this.

With the right cast, and director and screenplay this is pure entertainment while giving the audience some difficult issues to ponder, while also giving some comedy and horror elements, with a love story, throughout, and with
amazing musical performances actually IN the film. I want it PACKED with awesome music that drive the film as opposed to background music. Almost a musical, but no singing of dialogue, because that could be cheesy. But I want the music to create the moods in nearly every scene. Sometimes very haunting choirs to really bring out how frightening it was, ect.

Jeff
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#99 UPDATE EX-employee responds

there you go again

AUTHOR: Alan - (U.S.A.)

5 years again? Jeff, the fan club hasn't been around for 5 years, it started February, 2005, you joined in late March, 2005, and you joined Kellyville in early 2006. You can't get your own stories straight, and you expect anyone to believe things you say. Your line about being patient really mde me laugh, if you were patient and waited a year isntead of bugging everyone after only a few weeks (and don't deny it again, you've already admitted you did right here), you wouldn't be here whining about it all.
You have this habit of admitting things, then altering facts and denying the things you admit to, over and over and over again. You keep lowering your credability each time you post. I strongly suggest you re-read this whole page from start to finish, take notes of your own words.
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#100 Author of original report

Be patient Jesus and no stirring up pot please

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Just a very brief comment to Art ( who appears to be trying to stir up what was a very calm pot ) with his 2 posts in a row.

First of all EVERYONE can become a better person, unless you are Jesus, are you Jesus Art? Because if you are saying that none of you can be better people you are telling us all that the Kelly Clarkson Fan Club is full of 4 Jesus's and we all know that isn't true.

Well I think you attacked me. I am looking out for people on the internet as well from people that I can't mention wink wink.

And your anxiety about getting the proof and setting up an e mail account is more then odd. I don't think we have to rush "24", I think when he wants to send it or she wants to send it then it will be sent. If I was "24" I'd post it, instead of sending it to that e mail because we don't want to see any doctored "proof" this time around.

I guess he/she will send the proof soon, just don't keep pushing the issue , some people go online once a week. I' am sure this will be the real deal.

Be patient.

I have been patient for 5 years, you can wait.

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#101 UPDATE EX-employee responds

send the proof

AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

I believe I failed to include that hotmail address in the previous postings. Both of you say you have so much proof that you will gladly send me directly and if you have it and are serious then send_the_proof and let me see it. It would go a lot quicker to use hotmail since the postings on this site are only updated once a day things take longer. so use the hotmail address ( to ) send_the_proof
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#102 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Not Possible

AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

Jeff

Just make note that there is no way for alan, pinky, morgan, jenbug or me to become better people. You might not find us bad people but it is hard to be perfect with everyone. But all of us are loved, apppreciated and cared for by others for helping watch over kids, making it safer on the internet for that sake all over the world and protecting them from people like one I wont mention to keep this an indirect statement and no direct attack
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#103 Author of original report

Jenbug, if you want it to stop let it. Thanks for the comment but I didn't appreciate your words.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Ya I am moving on I just don't want you guys to say I am lying.. I really don't appreciate that, or how you make fun of me. It is disgusting and all of you did it on these sites.

If you didn't want to read it you didn't have to no one was forcing you to read this.

I wrote this because I felt treated unfair, which I will always feel, so if I don't have the right to feel my own feelings what do I really have?

You don't have the right to take away my feelings.

Ya I was on the FC from day one. Well Alan may have only gone after certain people. There are 4 of us it happened to not just me now.

Like I said Jen, just because Alan did nothing to you doesn't mean that nothing happened to me or the other 3 of us.f

Well ya I know Alan speaks to younger fans I just hope that none of it was actually uncalled for.

Well I have never been to the UK Kelly site so I have no idea where you are getting your info from.

I just want to move on so please let us all do that.

Having you come on here is just making matters worse for us all.

I am not making a fool out of anyone, I am trying to help art and alan and you and morgan and pinky and whoever else was involved to be better people... that is all.

Well one bob joke is not "too far" in my opinion. Like I said far worse stuff is said everyday on there, and I think it was sexism and ageism that played the biggest role in all of this... for real I know what happened.

Well if your main point was moving on and having us all move on why did you have to stir up the pot again.

I have not made slanderous acts against anyone! Can't you see that I made this report because they made the slander up against me???

I asked Alan to get rid of it.... if it's on the UK site then I'll have to see if they will get rid of it too. I didn't know there was anything on that one... it's too bad. I think a few people did this all as a joke.. no matter if it was alan or art or if they wanted it to happen it happened and it's no joke.

Take care

Jeff
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#104 Consumer Comment

Jeff, Move ON!

AUTHOR: Jenbug - (U.S.A.)

Ok so I've sad and read this for long enough.
I used to help out on KCKV when I was 14/15 and for one Jeff the things you keep saying about Alan are ridiculous! Sorry but I'm 19 nearly 20 now and I've known alan through a big chunk of my teens and the stuff you're trying to claim is beyond stupid so coming from a teen who did speak to Alan, Jeff you're deffinately the one lying here!

Alan made KV so younger fans had a place to go and for the moderators and admins to learn how to work a website, he taught me HTML and everything else I need to know about making a website thats what Alan does when he's speaking to younger fans!

You on the other hand I've heard numerous complaints about you talking to underage girls. I now help on Kellys official UK site and we've had people posting warning messages to other fans not to add you due to messages you've sent to people.

It's quite disturbing.

I was around during a lot of the time where Alan was trying to get you to keep to the rules on Kellyville and you had numerous chances to sort your act out. You act as if no one gave you a chance but people saw just how many chances you were given, which is why you're making a fool out of yourself.

The official fanclub is pretty laid back with people but you took things to far and for some reason you just can't seem to realise that.

My main point I was trying to make though was you need to move on. Stop making slanderous acts towards other people and sort yourself out.
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#105 UPDATE EX-employee responds

HMMMMMMMMM

AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

Jeff

I will only address a few of the issues and worry of others if needed in the future

1) I don't lie either and with all my expierence in working with alan he has been straight forward and never lied to me so I still believe him. Knowing about experiences with you I know who the one is to believe.

2) You knew the girls and chatted with them well before me. I have thanked you before, as it is due to the terrible talk you had with them that I got to know them, and alan. I find the 3 of them good friends that I never would have got to know so well if you didnt cause the problems, so there is one advantage to this.

3) You keep thinking you behavior is justified and comparable since I now know and chat with these 2 people and them still being younger. There is a big difference in terms of the conversations we have compared to what you did. Nothing says you cant be friends with younger people it is a matter of what type of friendship or relation. I am told you have plenty of younger "friends" on myspace.

4) I never said you personally had a chat with donald duck. You commented to me about donald duck always cussing

5) The watermelon pics have to be in your imagination I have no clue where to find that type of pic, if any really exist and I am not going to search either

6) Nobody would have known to have sexual talk with you? What is meant by that? You had plenty of conversations with the girls and others that I was no part of

7) 9-11 has nothing to do with what you did or what I think of you

8) Who said any of us like wars? There are times things like this happen and at times needed. If not for some we wouldnt have the freedom we do today. But once again this has nothing to do with this issue, there are a lot of sad things today

9) At least you see our point of views but need to see the full story and happenings

10) Regarding '24' and his postings I don't think we will be able to believe they were not edited. You keep saying it is so easy to do so he is probably in the process and that is why it is taking so long.

11) We have not slandered you we are just telling the truth

12) I dont think you and 24 have any clue of what hacking is. How do you think anybody whether it be me, alan, pinky, morgan or whoever else you think it might have been it is not a thing that is easy or that is done to an individual. Not possible to explain to you

13) Don't compare your "art work" to the sistine chapel. You had Kelly above your picture. But if not kelly and is pamela anderson what does it matter? Any which way you just admitted you did a nude lady/girl

I wish '24' would finish his editing his things so we can see how similar his fairy tales are

Art
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#106 Consumer Comment

Jeff Stackhouse: Idiot, Weirdo, e-Stalker

AUTHOR: Tony - (U.S.A.)

No matter how much Jeff Rambles on, it is obvious that he is just not winning this argument. The guy is so worked up over a fan site that he just doesn't get it. Jeff no one cares about your opinions or the stupid attempts you make to cover your molester behavior on line with kids.

I hope when the Crown Council charges you in Mission, B.C. that they don't go easy on you. I hope the Judge also orders you to get some real mental help. Stop blaming everything on your anxiety issues.

Stop slandering people on this website. Stop wasting everyone's time with your nonsense and endless writing. No one buys it Jeff. The fact is you acting perverted with teenage girls and got banned from the Kelly Site. You have been banned from many other sites as well. Thank God someone is.
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#107 Author of original report

Just a brief response to Arts 2 letters and "24"s letter. Case closed (until further notice)

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Art,

I guess we are all anxiously awaiting "24"'s proof.

I am not restarting anything, just responding to your list.

1) So you admit to talking to teens. That's step one.
2) You don't have to try to make me feel bad just because you got freinds on Kellyville and I don't. I have met quite a few people on those sites that also complained about you and Alan and the gang.
3) Honestly I don't talk sex with anyone, older or younger, I have no reason to do so.
4) I also do not lie, ...your truth must be pretty wacked out.
5) No one is on bad terms with me...as far as I know.
6) I disagree, I think you introduced me to the girls, and you certainly encouraged sex talk, when I didn't want to.
7) I have never had a chat with Donald Duck. DD is not necessarily a character just for kids.
8) I got watermelon pics ( people doing sexual things to watermelons from you ) I remember this very clearly.
9) Again, I clearly remember you encouraging these girls to pray upon me, which I now find out are minors, ( no one would have ever known) to have sexual conversations with me.
10) 9-11 changed a lot. It could have had a lot to do with this... while you did not totally realize it. A lot of people in the USA are paranoid and are trying to blame almost everyone for there problems. I do care about everyone in the USA and about everyone who had to deal with 9-11. I also made several videos on 9-11, and dedicated them all to the families of the victims that suffered beyond all belief . I did quite a lot of research on 9-11, and I am not trying to put the blame for what you guys did to me on 9-11, but I think subconsciously, it may have played more of a role then we think. People are dying from 9-11 even today...with the particles of smoke and debris still effecting peoples lungs. If it's still killing people today, then there is a pretty big chance that it did or could have made you guys extra paranoid ...coming from New York especially.
11) I think Wars are the big battles and even wars should not have to happen. If you think of war, it's the most crazy thing in the world.. people killing each other?? For what? oil? Land? Who cares? This is not a battle this is more like two kids having a "yo mamas so fat" competition and the problem here is that yo mama jokes or comments can go on and on. Whenever I say it's over you guys make a new list. I didn't want to respond and I wasn't going to but with new actually real evidence on it's way I thought I should.

12) Art and Alan and all of you guys, I can see your POV and the reasons you may have flown off the handle, but it was 200% not unnecessary and it was 200% wrong.

It seems this other person with the evidence, was also for a lack of a much better word "Screwed" over by all of you as well. So I don't feel to alone anymore. I have no clue who this person is, and where they are from, but what happened to them is SO SIMILAR to what happened to me, that I don't think it would happen to 2 people by the same people if there was not some shady stuff going on.

The thing that makes no sense to me is that "24" had his computer hacked and that also happened to me by the management of this company you work for . I am not saying you did it or alan did it personally... but I am saying one of the heads of the company did do it.

13) Oh thanks for at least saying that you feel for me being screwed over by the fan club and other sites that does mean a lot to me actually. I can see all points of view in our situation here, but what I didn't like was when Alan was taking a very stern view and I didn't really feel he was looking at things from all angles. ( More or less just thinking of himself and I thought that attitude was quite selfish seeing there is more then just him involved here) Well it's great to want safer sites, I am all for that, I am just not for blaming everything on me, or making stuff up about me , and then posting it on the internet for all too see, that was taking a bad situation and making it a million times worse.

14) Well I know what took place also and I don't really care to talk to anymore lying teenagers. I had to deal with more then enough of them when you and I had those 3 way chats, which I never really understood why we were having those.( and suggestions?)

15) I don't think there is any reason for any person to fear anyone else in this particular case. I know for a fact I never typed anything to any girls that was remotely sexual unless you guys said they were over 18 or they told me they were.

16) I think it would be nice to hear from both Pinky and Morgan. I have a number of hard-hitting questions for them both and I would like to hear their answers.

17) There are 2 reasons you will know that "24" is not me. While we had the same thing happen to us, the way you can tell it is not me is because

1) all my proof was stolen and hacked from me in various ways. I am still dealing with this a few years later. If I had the proof ,. I would have shared it with you immediately.

2) also I can't post as a consumer comment, I can only submit my replies as author, a sure-fire way to know that this person is for real, and has nothing to do with me. I am actually pretty surprised someone came forward. ( Actually quite happy and I was not expecting this in any way. )

Art just so you know #18 is your next letters #1. I don't know why you go on and on. You guys complain about me but you are going on and on about this yourself do please do not blame me for "rants". You guys have given us more then enough of your own rants for me to respond to endlessly. I can't go on and on with no one responding. It takes 2 to tango so they say.

18) Well thanks. I need more credit where credit is due around this place.

19) Well, I have my own idea on why this all happened but you guys wouldn't like to hear it. So I will be nice and not say anything at all.

20) No blame here. Just facts, and what I went through.

21) I can't comment on Alan at the moment but I would say some things but he's gets quite angry I might be able to e mail you what I think, but then you would probably e mail it to Alan and things would get worse so use your imagination to what I think.

22) On the contrary I do not believe I even know one person from the UK, and especially no girls/females.

23) Well you guys gave me your slander to the max. I was not giving slander back to you, I was simply trying to explain the truth of the situation. ( and the only reason I have no proof is because someone hacked it all away from me because it was in inside job)

24) I wish you and Alan would stop about your inappropriate whatever you think I did kick. I told you there was never anything inappropriate on any site I ever went on or made. I never made that stupid ascii thing and that was not a naked Kelly.( It's just you guys with you heads in the gutter as ALWAYS!!!) Kelly doesn't even have giant breasts!!!! Gosh. Do you even know what Kelly Clarkson looks like????? She does not look like that. I could see if it had a big booty but those breasts were not at all Kelly size..Pamela Anderson size yes... NOT KELLY! Sorry to Kelly for talking about her body, it is not something I wanted to say here at all but these guys have no clue what they are talking about and if anyone saw what these two lunatics are saying they would see it was clearly not Kelly. Kelly is the coolest and most awesome singer in the world and I hope she just laughs at this. And also in the Sistine Chapel, the holiest of holy places, yes all the characters are naked. I rest my case.

25) If "24" has proof, I am all for it. It is probably the same proof as I lost when this company hacked me. I am 100% for seeing his proof because I think it will show what these people we are dealing with are really like. Shady, very Shady. Remember these people I have dealt with are computer wizards. They can create any document and make it look real, fake an msn chat, heck they came into my own home through my internet and took a lot of my personal documents along with my proof. Maybe "24" just got lucky that he wasn't totally hacked and was lucky enough to be able to provide the truth.

He is clearly about as upset over this as I am... and I thought I wouldn't see anyone so upset as I was.

In response to "24" and in regards to the people I and him are against. I would just like to say when you see the proof I am hoping that some of you or all of you will perhaps fess up to doing this, or that people who have proper logical minds will be able to find this proof to provide a lot of major insight into what happened to me.

It looks as through "24" not only has his own personal proof, but also has someone else coming forward with proof.

He was also hacked by the company with proof from his computer technician.

Well "24" Pinky and the others, are very cold hearted and they never see things from the fans point of view. I asked them all many times to talk things out, I still ask this but they never respond. If they responded to me even once when I asked where my membership was after the year, there would never have even been a problem. They just vanish. Many fans are looking for these people but they are "in hiding" somewhere.

I also remember getting threats from the same people. I wish I had those to show as well, but I was hacked ( which it looks like they were trying to do to you as well ) I have never heard of a fan club that would hack into the fans computers, it seems very extreme to me... but I believe it because I had it happen to me too. ( it's just to ridiculous! )

Anyhow this Case is officially Closed now. (*but in the case that art/alan/pinky/morgan/joe/or"24" post after this post and I see the need to comment I may offer a brief and non-judgmental comment)

I hope this has been a mostly non- biased view. I want everyone to be able to have there say, and not be as one-sided and some people have been in the past.

Thanks and Happy New Year to us all. ( I hope we can soon see this proof and briefly write a few paragraphs on it perhaps and then be on are merry way in 2008. )

Thanks all,

Jeff

Oh PS: I just wanted to mention quickly that while I don't agree with what the other party did to me, I do want to say I care about all people involved and don't want to make things harder on me or anyone else. Just wanted to state what happened and see if this had ever happened to anyone else.
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#108 Consumer Comment

Will post proof here soon

AUTHOR: 24 - (U.S.A.)

ok guys, thanks to those who believe me and for those who don't...quit readin this and worryin about it. I will not rest my case with echomusic until they are run outta nashville and out of artists/bands lives. I have been on vacation in florida until today. my proof as well as my best friends proof is on my old computer, so I will have to get the files from it asap. my computer was hacked into by them also. my computer tech proved that when he said there was another computer viewing my every move.

In all my attempts to call people working for and with Terri was stopped due to this. I even called TBA entertainment in nashville, "Terri's management", but when I called, Clarence spalding refused to answer me back, cause his secretary said Pinky had already called and talked to him about me...I was like what? Do you know what you're talking about? I never got help. Just to let you know,, my best friend and I never got the chance to tell Terri herself, but we went on new yrs eve to see her in concert at cypress gardens in winter haven last monday nite. We were hoping to get to run into her somewhere, but never did.
I will post the threats soon as I get on my old computer. Thanks
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Will post proof here soon

AUTHOR: 24 - (U.S.A.)

ok guys, thanks to those who believe me and for those who don't...quit readin this and worryin about it. I will not rest my case with echomusic until they are run outta nashville and out of artists/bands lives. I have been on vacation in florida until today. my proof as well as my best friends proof is on my old computer, so I will have to get the files from it asap. my computer was hacked into by them also. my computer tech proved that when he said there was another computer viewing my every move.

In all my attempts to call people working for and with Terri was stopped due to this. I even called TBA entertainment in nashville, "Terri's management", but when I called, Clarence spalding refused to answer me back, cause his secretary said Pinky had already called and talked to him about me...I was like what? Do you know what you're talking about? I never got help. Just to let you know,, my best friend and I never got the chance to tell Terri herself, but we went on new yrs eve to see her in concert at cypress gardens in winter haven last monday nite. We were hoping to get to run into her somewhere, but never did.
I will post the threats soon as I get on my old computer. Thanks
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Will post proof here soon

AUTHOR: 24 - (U.S.A.)

ok guys, thanks to those who believe me and for those who don't...quit readin this and worryin about it. I will not rest my case with echomusic until they are run outta nashville and out of artists/bands lives. I have been on vacation in florida until today. my proof as well as my best friends proof is on my old computer, so I will have to get the files from it asap. my computer was hacked into by them also. my computer tech proved that when he said there was another computer viewing my every move.

In all my attempts to call people working for and with Terri was stopped due to this. I even called TBA entertainment in nashville, "Terri's management", but when I called, Clarence spalding refused to answer me back, cause his secretary said Pinky had already called and talked to him about me...I was like what? Do you know what you're talking about? I never got help. Just to let you know,, my best friend and I never got the chance to tell Terri herself, but we went on new yrs eve to see her in concert at cypress gardens in winter haven last monday nite. We were hoping to get to run into her somewhere, but never did.
I will post the threats soon as I get on my old computer. Thanks
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AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

Jeff

I didnt see a few of the comments in the other post and thought a few things should be said.

1) you did admit posting wrong things so I give you credit there.

2) Think about it, if it was not due to your inappropriate postings and contacting teens none of this would have ever happened.

3) You try to spin things and blame alan, pinky, morgan and even me. I have never met any of them. I help moderate kellyville due to you so I do communicate with alan but have never met him or talked to him on the phone, just aim. Just blame everyone but the person at fault, you

4) I think joe's comment proves alans point correct that all you are doing is burying yourself deeper and proving yourself guilty.

5) For the ones that think it should be put to an end so easily with a lawsuit there is one problem that jeff is in canada so it is international. I have girls from places such as the united kingdom that say he freaked them out.

6) Listen to alan and watch what you say with accussing people of things with no proof.

7) Your email and my spaces that you say had invasion of privacy and were hacked very well could have been closed by the sites for your inappropriate things going through there. Perfect example is the one of kelly naked is ascii format that had to take hours to create. This also said dis me in the private area. But that is not sexual and was deleted by my space probably your entire site too.

once again I can be emailed (((ROR removed for security purposes)))if things cannot be posted here or are to time consuming. If they support jeff they are legit if they are against him they have been modified. Someone like joe can give us an opinion of how that works.

As alan said you started it and want it ended so make a final posting saying case closed and it is over, if you continue to argue you will get it right back until you have proof. By the way should 24 have some proof of their expeirience that is not proof of what happened to you.

CASE CLOSED

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AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

Jeff

I thought we were waiting but you did not so I will not either. Lets see the evidence from the other person.

1) I knew them from group projects and learned things about internet setup from them like charts for Kelly's record sales
2) You chatted with them before me, at least the 15 year old. So NO I did not introduce you to them. It is due to your chats with her and others, before I met her, that I met her and then other complaints is how I met Alan then due to becoming part of the staff on Kellyville lots of other cool people have become friends of mine so for that (a second time) THANKS
3) You just admitted you talk sex with older people so why should we believe not younger, especially when I know of 2
4) I am NOT telling LIES and STORIES, that shall still be you
5) Back to Donald Duck, I did NOT do that or ever have anything to due with anything with your my space. I repeat did NOT. The only place you can blame me there is word travels quick and was laughed at when you said Donald Duck (a Disney character for little kids) cusses. Once word is out people find out quick so it could have been so many different people. There are tons of people that would be willing to do this being on bad terms with you.
6) You were talking to the people before me so once again I did NOT introduce you
7) If you are saying it was a group chat with Donald Duck you have no right to blame me, especially with no proof
8) I NEVER sent watermelon pictures I don't know where I would find them and don't spend time doing things like that
9) I had NO control over the girls. They chatted with you when I was not online, we had chats when all of us were online, if we had a group chat going you also had side chats going with the girls that I was not part of and have no clue what was said in them or the ones when I was not online
10) You have one thing right, 9-11 was a disaster that has had a drastic change on things here and a lot of other countries but it is not what has caused the issue between us
11) Off subject but you mentioned weapons of mass destruction, go look at the history of this issue with iraq and the reports from the UN and you will see that most every country agreed, so it was not just the USA, most every country thought more should be done but feared money issues. Maybe things have not been found, bits and pieces gradually show. Maybe nothing will ever be found in iraq as reports suggest it is possible they were moved to other countries. The difference is the USA has the balls to go by what is in writing and when iraq and saddam would not cooperate. Saddam being killed has definitely helped and a lot of positive has come from this, yes a lot of negative too and there are several places to be partially blamed but only the negative is reported. This still isn't something that should really be an effect in our issue though, especially since it started before the battle.
12) Try to see things from my point of view

13) I can see where you feel like you were screwed over by the fan club and other sites and yes it probably sucks. Now it's your turn to see it from the point of view of others like Alan and the fan club and when there are complaints about you they feel they need to stick to their responsibilities and closely watch the sites and make them as safe as possible.

14) I will gladly ask the other 2 if they are interested in replying but so many people don't really care about it, as they know what took place and want nothing to do with you. I do not fear you like others do. I have never had contact with Pinky or Morgan so it is hard for me to make contact with them, give me any possible contact info and I will try as well.

Now lets see the other evidence from this other person. As you claim how do we know that person is not you?

you can also email it to me at (((ROR REDACTED)))

I will now read the rest of the postings and reply to them as well


MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY NEW YEAR

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#113 Author of original report

Responce to Joe. Thanks for your response.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Just a quick response to Joe. Thanks for your interest in the report first of all. Second I would agree it's "time to move on as well".

Just a point, just because the internet is "full" of predators of young girls doesn't mean I am, have been, or was one. Some men may have stalked children, but like I told everyone I would never do that, and will never, and I am 100% against it as well.

Like I said I never spoke to any young ladies unless I was assured they were over 18. If they lied then they lied but I did ask.

All in all I agree with everything you said other then the last bit where you didn't believe me about the people from the Kelly sites hacking and stalking me. Not everyone is out to get me on the internet, but there was a few from those sites that were. Also they were not "rants" just explanations.

I have learnt from it and will never post anything inappropriate on the internet. The other people that had trouble with these managers also had them twist innocent words into sexual words. I can assure you that I saw nothing sexy in my Spongebob joke, and would never have posted it if I knew the managers of the site would be offended.

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if you want it to end, then end it

AUTHOR: Alan - (U.S.A.)

you keep saying you want it to end Jeff, but you continue it. you started on here back in May. almsot 6 months later I made my first post on here as you continued your nonsense. it's now 3 months past that and you still whining and talking about alleged proof that doesn't exist. I see a post about another fan club where people were banned, and it happened to be run by the same company, how is that proof for your defense of what you did? you see what you want, you hear what you want, in spite of what's actually written. Every comment, every sample of what you did, every explination, has been afer one of your ants pointing fingers at the wrong people for things no one has done to you.

If you really want to end it, you would have a long time ago, instead you keep it going, continue to falsy accuse people of things, and gives us all more agaisnt you (unfortunatly for you, you don't seem to comprehend this process).

The funny part of it all is, you're asking others to end something that you began.. Something to continued for almsot 6 months before I was told I was being mentioned on here and came on here to see what it was about.

Re-read my last posting on here as well since you seem to have missed it.
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#115 Author of original report

End it now before 2008 Please.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Ok lets just end it here then.

I can only see things getting further out of hand after we have had someone come forward with evidence.

I know you guys don't want to see it... so lets just end it ...I don't feel like explaining the truth anymore. I have told people what happened and lets leave it at that.

End it now so we don't have to go through it in 2008.

Happy new year to everyone.

Jeff
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#116 Consumer Suggestion

Time to move on

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

I have read this report with interest. If I was the webmaster of the kckellyville website I would have done the same thing. The internet is full of predators of young girls who think they have some kind of anonymity because they are on the internet. As a Network Security Consultant, I can't tell you how many times I have had parents of teenage children ask me for advice because of some man stalking their child. Every post you make leaves a digital fingerprint that is somewhat easy to follow.

It is inappropriate for a grown man to speak to a young lady about anything sexualperiod. This is not to condemn anyone older for having a relationship with someone younger, but there is a huge difference in a 15 y/o young lady and a 25 y/o woman. It is inappropriate for a man to be making jokes, riddles, puns, or whatever you want to call them, which are sexual in nature, on a website that has teenagers on it. It does not matter if she initiated the conversation or if everyone else is doing it, you have age and worldly experience that she does not have. You should know better!

Initially when I read the first post of this thread, I felt he was wronged and hoped it would be corrected. Now his own posts have hanged him. To listen to the rants, everyone is out to get him following him around on the internet, breaking in email accounts, turning his internet friends against himinternet friends. And hacking his email account...lol...this is not Die Hard 4. Just cause you see it done in the movies, does not mean it can be done. Yes it is possible for a skilled person to do it, but it takes a lot of time, which I think Mr. Alan would not waste on this nonsense.

It is time to get off the computer and move on. Form some relationships with "real" people. There is a pattern to the behavior shown in the rants; one just has to read them to see it. I commend Mr. Alan for doing the proper thing and banning anyone who talks to young ladies about ANY kind of sexual talk, be it a joke heard at the water cooler, or one that was read in comic book. It does not matter that someone else may have done the same thing. YOU are responsible for YOUR actions.

I don't know the true intentions of the poster here, they may have been as innocent as he saysbut when someone tells me my words are inappropriate, I change them and don't continue to do it. Once you continue to do what has been pointed out to you to be wrong, the innocence of your initial remark is lost.

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#117 Consumer Suggestion

Settle it already!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I wish ONE of you two folks would settle this already!

Shees. If ONLY 25% of what either of you claim was true, a criminal complaint with law enforcement and a civil lawsuit would be appropriate.

One of you PLEASE file a criminal complaint or a lawsuit against the other and get this crap settled.

This belongs on Oprah or Jerry Springer.
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#118 Consumer Comment

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AUTHOR: Melissa - (U.S.A.)

I see a grown man who really needs to stop dedicating so much of his life to fan club sites frequented by underage girls. Get over it. Every time you post, you sound more like an obsessed pervert who has no life and probably lives with his parents.
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#119 Author of original report

Quick note of advice to "24" DO NOT SEND EVIDENCE BY E MAIL.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Hey "24",

I'd suggest you DO NOT send the evidence directly to Art. He is one of the people that worked on these corrupt fan clubs and I would rather you post the evidence for all to see right here.

He may want you to send it to him, and not have it posted on here because he knows there is evidence and doesn't want it to be seen.

Art and Alan saved stuff counts for nothing because it's all corrupt evidence.

"24" I know you have the real untouched evidence to provide in this case, I am sure they threatened you with lots of different things as they did me.

I believe that "24"" has true evidence, and it just took patience for me to wait until they came along with it. I never once gave up.

Posting everything on here really isn't that time consuming. E mailing it would probably take just as much time so that ploy shouldn't be used.
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again you got your facts wrong Jeff

AUTHOR: Alan - (U.S.A.)

Jeff, you need to stop makingstatements about things you know nothing about.

Morgan was never fired, she quit to take a job on the west coast.. it's the 5th time you've been told this, sit back and let it sink in before you end up with slander and deformation of charactor added agaisnt you by her.

secondly, it doesn't matter about other fan clubs, or anyone else who was banned from any fanclub or website, this is about YOU, and what you did. You had inappropriate conversations, and inappropriate posts on all the sites you have been banned from, and they are documented and filed.

Accusing people of hacking into your emails or anything else, you BETTER have aabsolute proof of that accusation, because it's a strong one, that will strongly slap you in your own face when you are proven wrong or you can't prove it at all. It's called false accusations, and the penatlies for it are heavy.

No one has ever denied Echo runs everything like crap, it doesn't change what you did to get yourself banned, and it was explained a couple of dozen times since then, you simply refuse to accept it. The emails explaining it to you, by myself, and others, and your own replies to them, including your very own words of 'I will not email anyone or go on the site for one year' is all saved and filed. You broke your own agreement, which is also documented and saved.

This is becoming a broken record already, no matter how much you banter on about it all, the facts have not changed, everyone has to repeat themselves over and over again because you refuse to accept that you were at fault. It has nothing to do with anyone else, has nothing to do with other fan clubs or how Echo runs things. Pinky did not break his promise, YOU DID, you agreed to stay away for 1 year, and you didn't, you continued to e-mail him, me and everyone else you could, you tried to sneak on with differant ip's using your schools computer and were caught. You deny ever being banned from any other site, yet, those sites are still online, and your accounts are still abnned, and your psots that got you banned are still on those sites (jsut scroll way up and go to all the links that were provided)

Even on here you keep ranting about how it's done, then you keep it going, jsut as we said you would, just as you always do. Jus tscroll up and re-read everything, you're doing what you always do, and what we all said you would do again.

The only thing that's done is you Jeff. Even if another company takes over the fan club, do you really think you'll be let on it? They get all the saved messages and emails along with it, and you won't be a member. If you're caught sneaking on with another account again, it will be added to your ban.

You're not hurting the fan club, you're not hurting Echo, Pinky, Morgan, or myself, the onyl person you're hurting is yourself as you keep on going with this, contradicting your own words, twisting things that are hard documented around when people can see for themselves all you did.

Think really carefully about it Jeff, choose your words wisely, because I can assure you, you're only adding more to be used against yourself. Do you seriously think I'm new to any of this? that I haven't had to deal with people just like you before? I've been in this business for nearly 20 years, and i've dealt with alot worse than you. I've also seen people making accusations just like you are have to pay thousands in damages after the court judgement.

All I can do is say once more that you choose your words wisely, stop making false accusations without any hard evidence/proof, and get on with your life. You're over 30 years old and acting like a 12 year old. If you continue to push your luck so far, you won't like the end result.
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again you got your facts wrong Jeff

AUTHOR: Alan - (U.S.A.)

Jeff, you need to stop makingstatements about things you know nothing about.

Morgan was never fired, she quit to take a job on the west coast.. it's the 5th time you've been told this, sit back and let it sink in before you end up with slander and deformation of charactor added agaisnt you by her.

secondly, it doesn't matter about other fan clubs, or anyone else who was banned from any fanclub or website, this is about YOU, and what you did. You had inappropriate conversations, and inappropriate posts on all the sites you have been banned from, and they are documented and filed.

Accusing people of hacking into your emails or anything else, you BETTER have aabsolute proof of that accusation, because it's a strong one, that will strongly slap you in your own face when you are proven wrong or you can't prove it at all. It's called false accusations, and the penatlies for it are heavy.

No one has ever denied Echo runs everything like crap, it doesn't change what you did to get yourself banned, and it was explained a couple of dozen times since then, you simply refuse to accept it. The emails explaining it to you, by myself, and others, and your own replies to them, including your very own words of 'I will not email anyone or go on the site for one year' is all saved and filed. You broke your own agreement, which is also documented and saved.

This is becoming a broken record already, no matter how much you banter on about it all, the facts have not changed, everyone has to repeat themselves over and over again because you refuse to accept that you were at fault. It has nothing to do with anyone else, has nothing to do with other fan clubs or how Echo runs things. Pinky did not break his promise, YOU DID, you agreed to stay away for 1 year, and you didn't, you continued to e-mail him, me and everyone else you could, you tried to sneak on with differant ip's using your schools computer and were caught. You deny ever being banned from any other site, yet, those sites are still online, and your accounts are still abnned, and your psots that got you banned are still on those sites (jsut scroll way up and go to all the links that were provided)

Even on here you keep ranting about how it's done, then you keep it going, jsut as we said you would, just as you always do. Jus tscroll up and re-read everything, you're doing what you always do, and what we all said you would do again.

The only thing that's done is you Jeff. Even if another company takes over the fan club, do you really think you'll be let on it? They get all the saved messages and emails along with it, and you won't be a member. If you're caught sneaking on with another account again, it will be added to your ban.

You're not hurting the fan club, you're not hurting Echo, Pinky, Morgan, or myself, the onyl person you're hurting is yourself as you keep on going with this, contradicting your own words, twisting things that are hard documented around when people can see for themselves all you did.

Think really carefully about it Jeff, choose your words wisely, because I can assure you, you're only adding more to be used against yourself. Do you seriously think I'm new to any of this? that I haven't had to deal with people just like you before? I've been in this business for nearly 20 years, and i've dealt with alot worse than you. I've also seen people making accusations just like you are have to pay thousands in damages after the court judgement.

All I can do is say once more that you choose your words wisely, stop making false accusations without any hard evidence/proof, and get on with your life. You're over 30 years old and acting like a 12 year old. If you continue to push your luck so far, you won't like the end result.
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again you got your facts wrong Jeff

AUTHOR: Alan - (U.S.A.)

Jeff, you need to stop makingstatements about things you know nothing about.

Morgan was never fired, she quit to take a job on the west coast.. it's the 5th time you've been told this, sit back and let it sink in before you end up with slander and deformation of charactor added agaisnt you by her.

secondly, it doesn't matter about other fan clubs, or anyone else who was banned from any fanclub or website, this is about YOU, and what you did. You had inappropriate conversations, and inappropriate posts on all the sites you have been banned from, and they are documented and filed.

Accusing people of hacking into your emails or anything else, you BETTER have aabsolute proof of that accusation, because it's a strong one, that will strongly slap you in your own face when you are proven wrong or you can't prove it at all. It's called false accusations, and the penatlies for it are heavy.

No one has ever denied Echo runs everything like crap, it doesn't change what you did to get yourself banned, and it was explained a couple of dozen times since then, you simply refuse to accept it. The emails explaining it to you, by myself, and others, and your own replies to them, including your very own words of 'I will not email anyone or go on the site for one year' is all saved and filed. You broke your own agreement, which is also documented and saved.

This is becoming a broken record already, no matter how much you banter on about it all, the facts have not changed, everyone has to repeat themselves over and over again because you refuse to accept that you were at fault. It has nothing to do with anyone else, has nothing to do with other fan clubs or how Echo runs things. Pinky did not break his promise, YOU DID, you agreed to stay away for 1 year, and you didn't, you continued to e-mail him, me and everyone else you could, you tried to sneak on with differant ip's using your schools computer and were caught. You deny ever being banned from any other site, yet, those sites are still online, and your accounts are still abnned, and your psots that got you banned are still on those sites (jsut scroll way up and go to all the links that were provided)

Even on here you keep ranting about how it's done, then you keep it going, jsut as we said you would, just as you always do. Jus tscroll up and re-read everything, you're doing what you always do, and what we all said you would do again.

The only thing that's done is you Jeff. Even if another company takes over the fan club, do you really think you'll be let on it? They get all the saved messages and emails along with it, and you won't be a member. If you're caught sneaking on with another account again, it will be added to your ban.

You're not hurting the fan club, you're not hurting Echo, Pinky, Morgan, or myself, the onyl person you're hurting is yourself as you keep on going with this, contradicting your own words, twisting things that are hard documented around when people can see for themselves all you did.

Think really carefully about it Jeff, choose your words wisely, because I can assure you, you're only adding more to be used against yourself. Do you seriously think I'm new to any of this? that I haven't had to deal with people just like you before? I've been in this business for nearly 20 years, and i've dealt with alot worse than you. I've also seen people making accusations just like you are have to pay thousands in damages after the court judgement.

All I can do is say once more that you choose your words wisely, stop making false accusations without any hard evidence/proof, and get on with your life. You're over 30 years old and acting like a 12 year old. If you continue to push your luck so far, you won't like the end result.
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again you got your facts wrong Jeff

AUTHOR: Alan - (U.S.A.)

Jeff, you need to stop makingstatements about things you know nothing about.

Morgan was never fired, she quit to take a job on the west coast.. it's the 5th time you've been told this, sit back and let it sink in before you end up with slander and deformation of charactor added agaisnt you by her.

secondly, it doesn't matter about other fan clubs, or anyone else who was banned from any fanclub or website, this is about YOU, and what you did. You had inappropriate conversations, and inappropriate posts on all the sites you have been banned from, and they are documented and filed.

Accusing people of hacking into your emails or anything else, you BETTER have aabsolute proof of that accusation, because it's a strong one, that will strongly slap you in your own face when you are proven wrong or you can't prove it at all. It's called false accusations, and the penatlies for it are heavy.

No one has ever denied Echo runs everything like crap, it doesn't change what you did to get yourself banned, and it was explained a couple of dozen times since then, you simply refuse to accept it. The emails explaining it to you, by myself, and others, and your own replies to them, including your very own words of 'I will not email anyone or go on the site for one year' is all saved and filed. You broke your own agreement, which is also documented and saved.

This is becoming a broken record already, no matter how much you banter on about it all, the facts have not changed, everyone has to repeat themselves over and over again because you refuse to accept that you were at fault. It has nothing to do with anyone else, has nothing to do with other fan clubs or how Echo runs things. Pinky did not break his promise, YOU DID, you agreed to stay away for 1 year, and you didn't, you continued to e-mail him, me and everyone else you could, you tried to sneak on with differant ip's using your schools computer and were caught. You deny ever being banned from any other site, yet, those sites are still online, and your accounts are still abnned, and your psots that got you banned are still on those sites (jsut scroll way up and go to all the links that were provided)

Even on here you keep ranting about how it's done, then you keep it going, jsut as we said you would, just as you always do. Jus tscroll up and re-read everything, you're doing what you always do, and what we all said you would do again.

The only thing that's done is you Jeff. Even if another company takes over the fan club, do you really think you'll be let on it? They get all the saved messages and emails along with it, and you won't be a member. If you're caught sneaking on with another account again, it will be added to your ban.

You're not hurting the fan club, you're not hurting Echo, Pinky, Morgan, or myself, the onyl person you're hurting is yourself as you keep on going with this, contradicting your own words, twisting things that are hard documented around when people can see for themselves all you did.

Think really carefully about it Jeff, choose your words wisely, because I can assure you, you're only adding more to be used against yourself. Do you seriously think I'm new to any of this? that I haven't had to deal with people just like you before? I've been in this business for nearly 20 years, and i've dealt with alot worse than you. I've also seen people making accusations just like you are have to pay thousands in damages after the court judgement.

All I can do is say once more that you choose your words wisely, stop making false accusations without any hard evidence/proof, and get on with your life. You're over 30 years old and acting like a 12 year old. If you continue to push your luck so far, you won't like the end result.
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#124 Author of original report

Finally after so much effort 2007 ends and 2008 begins with the truth about echomusic, Alan, Art, Pinky, Morgan and crew.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Everytime I get a update from Rip Off Report in my e mail in box I just assume it will be Alan or Art telling more tales and more lies. I just assumed this time would be the same.

It's awesome to see a consumer of these corrupt fan clubs ( all run by the same people) come out and speak out despite being harassed by these people. I no longer feel so alone in my battle.

You have given us invaluable information 24, that the victims can use to hopefully find true justice in this case.

I too, was banned around the same time you were, and I too had to deal with this Pinky Gonzales. I got the same threatening e mails from Pinky and his crew , but they were smart enough to hack my hotmail account to get rid of the evidence. I was the hardest hit ( probably ) by the crimes and I think they wanted to get rid of the evidence.

Like you "24" I also was one of the first to join Kelly Clarkson's fan club. It's such a shame when these people hurt the fans that were there from day one. back when hardly anyone knew about these people, we were there supporting them, and then this has to happen.

Ya the group we were dealing with did conn there way into getting these jobs. I suppose they said they could do the job, when they knew nothing about managing fan sites. I guess they wanted to get in there to hurt people and send out threatening e mails, to push there wait around and get closer to the young girls. I don't know the EXACT reason they forced there way in but it all seems to be devious. especially with this new information.

Ya things went to hell on the Kelly Clarkson Fan Club as well unfortunatly. I was very professional on there and when they banned me. I asked why, and they said for no reason, then I was like ok if it's for no reason then why did you do it in the first place. Pinky goes I did nothing wrong at all, then he said you are banned. Then he followed that up with the statement that I could come on in a year, and I waited the year and he was fired and a new person was on there called Morgan Plex. turns out she was just as bad and was fired as well.

Ya I agree that management was the HITLER of management. If you didn't agree with them they would just ban you without thinking. They really pushed the fans around and pushed there weight around too.

Yes same thing happened at the Kelly fan club.. if anyone asked anything they would just delete it. they also e mailed them and threatened them with letters to the like of " IF you post one more question on the fan club you will be permanently banned"

My freind who is on there now had that happen and she is the sweetest person, she just wanted someone to answer her question but they wouldn't.

That's good that you have proof of that "24". Like I said I didn't have a chance to get my proof, because they were quick to hack my computer and my websites and almost everything I had. They didn't want the truth to be known so it's good you have it.

They also didn't allow any Kelly fans to ask help questions without threatening them with bannings. They expected to have a fan club without letting the fans know anything about the artists, they were there to be fans of.

Why did Pinky think he had the rights to ban fan club members for wanting a better fan club? I was trying to make the fan club a good place to be, a bit more fun, a bit more special!! And he did the same thing to me. And when I tried to get answers he was no where to be found!

Ya man, I know you were a good fan of Terri, and the banning was unfair, unjust and was pure nonsense.They should take into account how much money you have spent on this artist. I too spent lots and they banned me. They expected me to say nothing and I was one of the only ones they did this too who spoke out because they threatened the fans in different was to not speak out.. they are still threatening me, but it's time that the fans win, it's time that the people that matter matter back to the artists.

I agree that this is no way for a fan club to run. I hope that Kelly and Terrie themselves are told of what happened to us and something is done about it.

See it's the fans that actually care about the other fans that step up and try to fight it. we are not doing it for ourselves alone, we are doing it for all of the people before us that had it happen to them. We want to seek justice!

Ya when I went missing from these sites ( both related because Alan worked for both and just had things thing against me for no reason) the people wondered where I was, and what happened to me. they also got those letter teling them not to mention my name or they too would be banned. what kind of a fan club are you on where you are not allowed to care for someone that had gone missing?

They are absolutely the worst at fan club management and I also have no idea how they conned big artist into allowing them to run there sites. probably it was by force. They are very forceful people.

Yes, I would like something to be done about this too. I hope someone listens to me and hears my cry for help. I have been working on this for 5 years or so.

Echomusic hopefully will go under when fans find out what they have done to us and many other fans.

I think Kelly Clarkson should fire echomusic as well it has been tarnishing her good name for years.

I would love it if you could post as much proof as you have on here, just so we know that everything I have said is in fact true, and that these guys do have the potential to do this.

They come on here claiming it's not true, but if we see that they have this potential they certainly lose that credibility and fans will see that this is true. alan and pinky brainwashed many fans into thinking I was the bad one with silly stories and fake documents and hackings ect just to try to get out of what they did to the fans. so the most evidence that you can post the better.

Thanks "24" I apprecate you coming forward especially with these guys who are very ruthless and scare most people into not speaking out about them.

Jeff
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#125 Author of original report

Finally after so much effort 2007 ends and 2008 begins with the truth about echomusic, Alan, Art, Pinky, Morgan and crew.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Everytime I get a update from Rip Off Report in my e mail in box I just assume it will be Alan or Art telling more tales and more lies. I just assumed this time would be the same.

It's awesome to see a consumer of these corrupt fan clubs ( all run by the same people) come out and speak out despite being harassed by these people. I no longer feel so alone in my battle.

You have given us invaluable information 24, that the victims can use to hopefully find true justice in this case.

I too, was banned around the same time you were, and I too had to deal with this Pinky Gonzales. I got the same threatening e mails from Pinky and his crew , but they were smart enough to hack my hotmail account to get rid of the evidence. I was the hardest hit ( probably ) by the crimes and I think they wanted to get rid of the evidence.

Like you "24" I also was one of the first to join Kelly Clarkson's fan club. It's such a shame when these people hurt the fans that were there from day one. back when hardly anyone knew about these people, we were there supporting them, and then this has to happen.

Ya the group we were dealing with did conn there way into getting these jobs. I suppose they said they could do the job, when they knew nothing about managing fan sites. I guess they wanted to get in there to hurt people and send out threatening e mails, to push there wait around and get closer to the young girls. I don't know the EXACT reason they forced there way in but it all seems to be devious. especially with this new information.

Ya things went to hell on the Kelly Clarkson Fan Club as well unfortunatly. I was very professional on there and when they banned me. I asked why, and they said for no reason, then I was like ok if it's for no reason then why did you do it in the first place. Pinky goes I did nothing wrong at all, then he said you are banned. Then he followed that up with the statement that I could come on in a year, and I waited the year and he was fired and a new person was on there called Morgan Plex. turns out she was just as bad and was fired as well.

Ya I agree that management was the HITLER of management. If you didn't agree with them they would just ban you without thinking. They really pushed the fans around and pushed there weight around too.

Yes same thing happened at the Kelly fan club.. if anyone asked anything they would just delete it. they also e mailed them and threatened them with letters to the like of " IF you post one more question on the fan club you will be permanently banned"

My freind who is on there now had that happen and she is the sweetest person, she just wanted someone to answer her question but they wouldn't.

That's good that you have proof of that "24". Like I said I didn't have a chance to get my proof, because they were quick to hack my computer and my websites and almost everything I had. They didn't want the truth to be known so it's good you have it.

They also didn't allow any Kelly fans to ask help questions without threatening them with bannings. They expected to have a fan club without letting the fans know anything about the artists, they were there to be fans of.

Why did Pinky think he had the rights to ban fan club members for wanting a better fan club? I was trying to make the fan club a good place to be, a bit more fun, a bit more special!! And he did the same thing to me. And when I tried to get answers he was no where to be found!

Ya man, I know you were a good fan of Terri, and the banning was unfair, unjust and was pure nonsense.They should take into account how much money you have spent on this artist. I too spent lots and they banned me. They expected me to say nothing and I was one of the only ones they did this too who spoke out because they threatened the fans in different was to not speak out.. they are still threatening me, but it's time that the fans win, it's time that the people that matter matter back to the artists.

I agree that this is no way for a fan club to run. I hope that Kelly and Terrie themselves are told of what happened to us and something is done about it.

See it's the fans that actually care about the other fans that step up and try to fight it. we are not doing it for ourselves alone, we are doing it for all of the people before us that had it happen to them. We want to seek justice!

Ya when I went missing from these sites ( both related because Alan worked for both and just had things thing against me for no reason) the people wondered where I was, and what happened to me. they also got those letter teling them not to mention my name or they too would be banned. what kind of a fan club are you on where you are not allowed to care for someone that had gone missing?

They are absolutely the worst at fan club management and I also have no idea how they conned big artist into allowing them to run there sites. probably it was by force. They are very forceful people.

Yes, I would like something to be done about this too. I hope someone listens to me and hears my cry for help. I have been working on this for 5 years or so.

Echomusic hopefully will go under when fans find out what they have done to us and many other fans.

I think Kelly Clarkson should fire echomusic as well it has been tarnishing her good name for years.

I would love it if you could post as much proof as you have on here, just so we know that everything I have said is in fact true, and that these guys do have the potential to do this.

They come on here claiming it's not true, but if we see that they have this potential they certainly lose that credibility and fans will see that this is true. alan and pinky brainwashed many fans into thinking I was the bad one with silly stories and fake documents and hackings ect just to try to get out of what they did to the fans. so the most evidence that you can post the better.

Thanks "24" I apprecate you coming forward especially with these guys who are very ruthless and scare most people into not speaking out about them.

Jeff
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#126 Author of original report

Finally after so much effort 2007 ends and 2008 begins with the truth about echomusic, Alan, Art, Pinky, Morgan and crew.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Everytime I get a update from Rip Off Report in my e mail in box I just assume it will be Alan or Art telling more tales and more lies. I just assumed this time would be the same.

It's awesome to see a consumer of these corrupt fan clubs ( all run by the same people) come out and speak out despite being harassed by these people. I no longer feel so alone in my battle.

You have given us invaluable information 24, that the victims can use to hopefully find true justice in this case.

I too, was banned around the same time you were, and I too had to deal with this Pinky Gonzales. I got the same threatening e mails from Pinky and his crew , but they were smart enough to hack my hotmail account to get rid of the evidence. I was the hardest hit ( probably ) by the crimes and I think they wanted to get rid of the evidence.

Like you "24" I also was one of the first to join Kelly Clarkson's fan club. It's such a shame when these people hurt the fans that were there from day one. back when hardly anyone knew about these people, we were there supporting them, and then this has to happen.

Ya the group we were dealing with did conn there way into getting these jobs. I suppose they said they could do the job, when they knew nothing about managing fan sites. I guess they wanted to get in there to hurt people and send out threatening e mails, to push there wait around and get closer to the young girls. I don't know the EXACT reason they forced there way in but it all seems to be devious. especially with this new information.

Ya things went to hell on the Kelly Clarkson Fan Club as well unfortunatly. I was very professional on there and when they banned me. I asked why, and they said for no reason, then I was like ok if it's for no reason then why did you do it in the first place. Pinky goes I did nothing wrong at all, then he said you are banned. Then he followed that up with the statement that I could come on in a year, and I waited the year and he was fired and a new person was on there called Morgan Plex. turns out she was just as bad and was fired as well.

Ya I agree that management was the HITLER of management. If you didn't agree with them they would just ban you without thinking. They really pushed the fans around and pushed there weight around too.

Yes same thing happened at the Kelly fan club.. if anyone asked anything they would just delete it. they also e mailed them and threatened them with letters to the like of " IF you post one more question on the fan club you will be permanently banned"

My freind who is on there now had that happen and she is the sweetest person, she just wanted someone to answer her question but they wouldn't.

That's good that you have proof of that "24". Like I said I didn't have a chance to get my proof, because they were quick to hack my computer and my websites and almost everything I had. They didn't want the truth to be known so it's good you have it.

They also didn't allow any Kelly fans to ask help questions without threatening them with bannings. They expected to have a fan club without letting the fans know anything about the artists, they were there to be fans of.

Why did Pinky think he had the rights to ban fan club members for wanting a better fan club? I was trying to make the fan club a good place to be, a bit more fun, a bit more special!! And he did the same thing to me. And when I tried to get answers he was no where to be found!

Ya man, I know you were a good fan of Terri, and the banning was unfair, unjust and was pure nonsense.They should take into account how much money you have spent on this artist. I too spent lots and they banned me. They expected me to say nothing and I was one of the only ones they did this too who spoke out because they threatened the fans in different was to not speak out.. they are still threatening me, but it's time that the fans win, it's time that the people that matter matter back to the artists.

I agree that this is no way for a fan club to run. I hope that Kelly and Terrie themselves are told of what happened to us and something is done about it.

See it's the fans that actually care about the other fans that step up and try to fight it. we are not doing it for ourselves alone, we are doing it for all of the people before us that had it happen to them. We want to seek justice!

Ya when I went missing from these sites ( both related because Alan worked for both and just had things thing against me for no reason) the people wondered where I was, and what happened to me. they also got those letter teling them not to mention my name or they too would be banned. what kind of a fan club are you on where you are not allowed to care for someone that had gone missing?

They are absolutely the worst at fan club management and I also have no idea how they conned big artist into allowing them to run there sites. probably it was by force. They are very forceful people.

Yes, I would like something to be done about this too. I hope someone listens to me and hears my cry for help. I have been working on this for 5 years or so.

Echomusic hopefully will go under when fans find out what they have done to us and many other fans.

I think Kelly Clarkson should fire echomusic as well it has been tarnishing her good name for years.

I would love it if you could post as much proof as you have on here, just so we know that everything I have said is in fact true, and that these guys do have the potential to do this.

They come on here claiming it's not true, but if we see that they have this potential they certainly lose that credibility and fans will see that this is true. alan and pinky brainwashed many fans into thinking I was the bad one with silly stories and fake documents and hackings ect just to try to get out of what they did to the fans. so the most evidence that you can post the better.

Thanks "24" I apprecate you coming forward especially with these guys who are very ruthless and scare most people into not speaking out about them.

Jeff
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#127 Author of original report

Finally after so much effort 2007 ends and 2008 begins with the truth about echomusic, Alan, Art, Pinky, Morgan and crew.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Everytime I get a update from Rip Off Report in my e mail in box I just assume it will be Alan or Art telling more tales and more lies. I just assumed this time would be the same.

It's awesome to see a consumer of these corrupt fan clubs ( all run by the same people) come out and speak out despite being harassed by these people. I no longer feel so alone in my battle.

You have given us invaluable information 24, that the victims can use to hopefully find true justice in this case.

I too, was banned around the same time you were, and I too had to deal with this Pinky Gonzales. I got the same threatening e mails from Pinky and his crew , but they were smart enough to hack my hotmail account to get rid of the evidence. I was the hardest hit ( probably ) by the crimes and I think they wanted to get rid of the evidence.

Like you "24" I also was one of the first to join Kelly Clarkson's fan club. It's such a shame when these people hurt the fans that were there from day one. back when hardly anyone knew about these people, we were there supporting them, and then this has to happen.

Ya the group we were dealing with did conn there way into getting these jobs. I suppose they said they could do the job, when they knew nothing about managing fan sites. I guess they wanted to get in there to hurt people and send out threatening e mails, to push there wait around and get closer to the young girls. I don't know the EXACT reason they forced there way in but it all seems to be devious. especially with this new information.

Ya things went to hell on the Kelly Clarkson Fan Club as well unfortunatly. I was very professional on there and when they banned me. I asked why, and they said for no reason, then I was like ok if it's for no reason then why did you do it in the first place. Pinky goes I did nothing wrong at all, then he said you are banned. Then he followed that up with the statement that I could come on in a year, and I waited the year and he was fired and a new person was on there called Morgan Plex. turns out she was just as bad and was fired as well.

Ya I agree that management was the HITLER of management. If you didn't agree with them they would just ban you without thinking. They really pushed the fans around and pushed there weight around too.

Yes same thing happened at the Kelly fan club.. if anyone asked anything they would just delete it. they also e mailed them and threatened them with letters to the like of " IF you post one more question on the fan club you will be permanently banned"

My freind who is on there now had that happen and she is the sweetest person, she just wanted someone to answer her question but they wouldn't.

That's good that you have proof of that "24". Like I said I didn't have a chance to get my proof, because they were quick to hack my computer and my websites and almost everything I had. They didn't want the truth to be known so it's good you have it.

They also didn't allow any Kelly fans to ask help questions without threatening them with bannings. They expected to have a fan club without letting the fans know anything about the artists, they were there to be fans of.

Why did Pinky think he had the rights to ban fan club members for wanting a better fan club? I was trying to make the fan club a good place to be, a bit more fun, a bit more special!! And he did the same thing to me. And when I tried to get answers he was no where to be found!

Ya man, I know you were a good fan of Terri, and the banning was unfair, unjust and was pure nonsense.They should take into account how much money you have spent on this artist. I too spent lots and they banned me. They expected me to say nothing and I was one of the only ones they did this too who spoke out because they threatened the fans in different was to not speak out.. they are still threatening me, but it's time that the fans win, it's time that the people that matter matter back to the artists.

I agree that this is no way for a fan club to run. I hope that Kelly and Terrie themselves are told of what happened to us and something is done about it.

See it's the fans that actually care about the other fans that step up and try to fight it. we are not doing it for ourselves alone, we are doing it for all of the people before us that had it happen to them. We want to seek justice!

Ya when I went missing from these sites ( both related because Alan worked for both and just had things thing against me for no reason) the people wondered where I was, and what happened to me. they also got those letter teling them not to mention my name or they too would be banned. what kind of a fan club are you on where you are not allowed to care for someone that had gone missing?

They are absolutely the worst at fan club management and I also have no idea how they conned big artist into allowing them to run there sites. probably it was by force. They are very forceful people.

Yes, I would like something to be done about this too. I hope someone listens to me and hears my cry for help. I have been working on this for 5 years or so.

Echomusic hopefully will go under when fans find out what they have done to us and many other fans.

I think Kelly Clarkson should fire echomusic as well it has been tarnishing her good name for years.

I would love it if you could post as much proof as you have on here, just so we know that everything I have said is in fact true, and that these guys do have the potential to do this.

They come on here claiming it's not true, but if we see that they have this potential they certainly lose that credibility and fans will see that this is true. alan and pinky brainwashed many fans into thinking I was the bad one with silly stories and fake documents and hackings ect just to try to get out of what they did to the fans. so the most evidence that you can post the better.

Thanks "24" I apprecate you coming forward especially with these guys who are very ruthless and scare most people into not speaking out about them.

Jeff
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PLEASE

AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

I would love to see some of the documents you have. Just know if you go by jeff's (who started this) standard a print screen does not count as he claims you can and will modify it to prove your point and make it look like you are right but might change things. I am open though (unlike him) and do my best to believe until I can prove wrong, which he has never done.

Please show us some things, if you prefer I will give you an email address instead and you can just send them to me and not have to post everything here, it can be time consuming.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS
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AUTHOR: 24 - (U.S.A.)

This is in response to the ones talking about Pinky Gonzales who works for echomusic which was formally known as artist media group. I saw my name mentioned in one of the posts in the replies. I know of about 5 people who were banned from the Terri Clark online fan club back in 2004, cause me and my best friend were 2 of them. I too have proof of this and also threatening emails from pinky and his crew. I had joined Terri's fanclub way back in 1995 when nobody knew who she was. In fact, I was the #24 member also in her fan club. Things were always great until the artist media group decided to conn her into letting them run her website and also include her fanclub into it. That sucked for all Terri fans as her fanclub was run by someone else, not the lady who ran the website.

That was in august 2004. Since then, things have went to hell! After only 3 months into their running Terri's site,, they started threatening and banning fans who would'nt agree with everything they said. They would delete posts if people asked questions. I also have proof of that. They did'nt allow you to ask help questions. Alot of fans were afraid to ask questions from that point on. They even backed off from posting all together. That's not how a fanclub suppose to be run. They even read private messages the fans were sending to each other. My best friend decided to step up and make a post about they way they were treating her fans. 30 something fans replied to that post. well it was deleted of course, and only her and I received a nasty email from Pinky telling us we had been permantly banned from the fan club... All i did was say that I agreed with what my best friend said...that's it! Let me remind you that I had been a member of Terri's fanclub at that time for 9 years. I was devastated that I was treated that way. Then shortly after that happened,, some friends of ours who did'nt know what had happened made a post asking where one of us had been and they had'nt seen us on in a while. They were sent an email telling them not to mention our names on that site or they too would be banned.

Then a few weeks later, they did ban other friends of ours. I don't know how they get all the top artists to let them run their sites, but something needs to be done. About a year after Pinky and his wife yvonne banned about 15 Terri fans,, they disappeared from her site. Now Taylor runs it. Pinky is now running a photofraphy place in nashville, so it's not hard at all to find him. Better yet, go to 17th ave. in nash. I know of 3 artists whom have fired eachomusic in the last year 1/2. How I wish more would fire them.
They treat fans like sh**. If anyone would like me to post some proof of things, I will.
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AUTHOR: 24 - (U.S.A.)

This is in response to the ones talking about Pinky Gonzales who works for echomusic which was formally known as artist media group. I saw my name mentioned in one of the posts in the replies. I know of about 5 people who were banned from the Terri Clark online fan club back in 2004, cause me and my best friend were 2 of them. I too have proof of this and also threatening emails from pinky and his crew. I had joined Terri's fanclub way back in 1995 when nobody knew who she was. In fact, I was the #24 member also in her fan club. Things were always great until the artist media group decided to conn her into letting them run her website and also include her fanclub into it. That sucked for all Terri fans as her fanclub was run by someone else, not the lady who ran the website.

That was in august 2004. Since then, things have went to hell! After only 3 months into their running Terri's site,, they started threatening and banning fans who would'nt agree with everything they said. They would delete posts if people asked questions. I also have proof of that. They did'nt allow you to ask help questions. Alot of fans were afraid to ask questions from that point on. They even backed off from posting all together. That's not how a fanclub suppose to be run. They even read private messages the fans were sending to each other. My best friend decided to step up and make a post about they way they were treating her fans. 30 something fans replied to that post. well it was deleted of course, and only her and I received a nasty email from Pinky telling us we had been permantly banned from the fan club... All i did was say that I agreed with what my best friend said...that's it! Let me remind you that I had been a member of Terri's fanclub at that time for 9 years. I was devastated that I was treated that way. Then shortly after that happened,, some friends of ours who did'nt know what had happened made a post asking where one of us had been and they had'nt seen us on in a while. They were sent an email telling them not to mention our names on that site or they too would be banned.

Then a few weeks later, they did ban other friends of ours. I don't know how they get all the top artists to let them run their sites, but something needs to be done. About a year after Pinky and his wife yvonne banned about 15 Terri fans,, they disappeared from her site. Now Taylor runs it. Pinky is now running a photofraphy place in nashville, so it's not hard at all to find him. Better yet, go to 17th ave. in nash. I know of 3 artists whom have fired eachomusic in the last year 1/2. How I wish more would fire them.
They treat fans like sh**. If anyone would like me to post some proof of things, I will.
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AUTHOR: 24 - (U.S.A.)

This is in response to the ones talking about Pinky Gonzales who works for echomusic which was formally known as artist media group. I saw my name mentioned in one of the posts in the replies. I know of about 5 people who were banned from the Terri Clark online fan club back in 2004, cause me and my best friend were 2 of them. I too have proof of this and also threatening emails from pinky and his crew. I had joined Terri's fanclub way back in 1995 when nobody knew who she was. In fact, I was the #24 member also in her fan club. Things were always great until the artist media group decided to conn her into letting them run her website and also include her fanclub into it. That sucked for all Terri fans as her fanclub was run by someone else, not the lady who ran the website.

That was in august 2004. Since then, things have went to hell! After only 3 months into their running Terri's site,, they started threatening and banning fans who would'nt agree with everything they said. They would delete posts if people asked questions. I also have proof of that. They did'nt allow you to ask help questions. Alot of fans were afraid to ask questions from that point on. They even backed off from posting all together. That's not how a fanclub suppose to be run. They even read private messages the fans were sending to each other. My best friend decided to step up and make a post about they way they were treating her fans. 30 something fans replied to that post. well it was deleted of course, and only her and I received a nasty email from Pinky telling us we had been permantly banned from the fan club... All i did was say that I agreed with what my best friend said...that's it! Let me remind you that I had been a member of Terri's fanclub at that time for 9 years. I was devastated that I was treated that way. Then shortly after that happened,, some friends of ours who did'nt know what had happened made a post asking where one of us had been and they had'nt seen us on in a while. They were sent an email telling them not to mention our names on that site or they too would be banned.

Then a few weeks later, they did ban other friends of ours. I don't know how they get all the top artists to let them run their sites, but something needs to be done. About a year after Pinky and his wife yvonne banned about 15 Terri fans,, they disappeared from her site. Now Taylor runs it. Pinky is now running a photofraphy place in nashville, so it's not hard at all to find him. Better yet, go to 17th ave. in nash. I know of 3 artists whom have fired eachomusic in the last year 1/2. How I wish more would fire them.
They treat fans like sh**. If anyone would like me to post some proof of things, I will.
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#132 UPDATE EX-employee responds

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO TONY TOO

AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

well I will wait and am going to answer your questions and after that posting we can agree to disagree but you asked so many questions and had comments about me that they cannot be left open. So I will hold off and keep the holidays happy.
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MERRY CHRISTMAS TO TONY TOO

AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

well I will wait and am going to answer your questions and after that posting we can agree to disagree but you asked so many questions and had comments about me that they cannot be left open. So I will hold off and keep the holidays happy.
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#134 UPDATE EX-employee responds

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO TONY TOO

AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

well I will wait and am going to answer your questions and after that posting we can agree to disagree but you asked so many questions and had comments about me that they cannot be left open. So I will hold off and keep the holidays happy.
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#135 UPDATE EX-employee responds

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO TONY TOO

AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

well I will wait and am going to answer your questions and after that posting we can agree to disagree but you asked so many questions and had comments about me that they cannot be left open. So I will hold off and keep the holidays happy.
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#136 Consumer Suggestion

Merry Christmas Alan and Art

AUTHOR: Tony - (U.S.A.)

Merry Christmas Alan and Art, even with all these Lies, Slander and whacked out stuff from Jeff, I want you two to have a very Merry Christmas.

Don't worry Jeff will be behind bars soon for his actions.

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#137 Author of original report

Merry Christmas to you too with gift

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Ya lets wait, I don't want to think about this at the moment , it's rather irritating and not the least bit Christmas-like.

At the same time I don't want it to go on into the new year.

We should all start it off fresh without this.

Maybe we should just agree to disagree??

Plain and simple, my holiday gift to you.
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#138 UPDATE EX-employee responds

MERRY CHRISTMAS

AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

Jeff

I will give you the option of waiting until the holidays end to file my response or post and let me know if u want it before and maybe u will see things from the side of others like you want me to see it from yours.

Due to some way off comments I MUST post again but u tell me if I should do it now or the first of the year.

I would have posted sooner but was out of town 2 weeks and did not have access to the internet which is like death.

Let me know and if waiting is your choice honestly have a MERRY CHRISTMAS
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#139 Author of original report

we both feel someone is lying here

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

First of all if you are actually a grown man, why are you using teen abbreviations such as "U" asked... come on this is serious to me, I don't want you acting like a teen if you are actually a man but all signs point suggest that you and Alan and teens trying to make me feel bad.

Well I guess we both feel someone is lying here. I know for a fact it is you. Or you are trying to make things sound like you didn't do them.

No one HAS to reply. You CHOOSE to reply or not reply.

Art did you or did you not introduce me to those girls that tried to get me in trouble? You could admit to that, at the least, because before you and your 3-way chats, I did NOT know them, and did not want anything to do with them.

I didn't know them at all until you manipulated me into talking to you and then manipulated me into talking to them.

Well, I don't know where you found them, but you guys were very close, like best friends, and you thought what you were doing to me at the time was funny, well I didn't think it was then, and I don't now.

Answer this one. Why did you introduce me to 15 year old (if they were really that age) and why did you want them to talk sexually to me if they were actually 15) 15 year olds SHOULD NOT BE TALKING SEXUALLY. I know they do a lot of times but I don't want to be talking sexually with them.

Listen to what I am saying

I DO NOT AND WILL NOT TALK SEXUALLY WITH GIRLS EVER UNLESS THEY ARE OVER THE AGE OF 18.

END YOUR LIES AND STORIES.

I am so sick of talking to you about this.

I didn't initiate talk like that I would never do that unless I was manipulated into it which you did, which is clearly not fair.

1) I do remember this Donald talk with you and suddenly hackers are hacking me with Donald Duck backgrounds on My Space. No coincidence. I know you left your mark that way to show me what you did. Criminals do this to let the victims know it was them and it's a way to taunt them and to tease them without leaving actual proof behind. Its a figurative finger print forms you without actually leaving those marks.

Well why the heck where you allowing these people (if you knew they were under the age of 18 to sexually talk to me... I don't want any part of that)

2) I remember it, and I believe that talk was in a group chat as well. Why where you group chatting with underage girls. Can you please answer this question?

3) Yes you did know about the watermelon conversation and you did send me pictures (sexual ones) of people having sex with watermelons which I did not like and you kept asking if I bought a water melon to have sex with. I did not find that talk funny at all.

Ok what control DID you have over the girls? If you are older why did you get them to talk to me? Were they girls or acting as girls?

Yes I did get manipulated easy by you because I told you I needed friends and you found it easy to make me talk with you a lot.

You say I have it wrong with what control you had over the girls so you are admitting you did have some control over them.

I am very open and honest and people confuse that for other things. I am friendly yes, but not when someone is clearly deranged. I would say to use better judgment and not agree with people who know nothing about this.

Well how can we end this? You tell me because I am serious about ending it.... and as soon as possible. We both do not want to have each other calling each other down, but we are... this is because we both think the other person has it WRONG. I am not going to say what you did was RIGHT to end this, and I don't think you are going to openly admit some of the stuff that went down to end this.

Well you would be surprised how much time some people have. I am sure a lot of editing was and is possible. People fake documents all the time nothing new.

Why would anyone want to get involved in this mess?

Again you are trying to entice more people to get involved to bother me. How about you me, alan, pinky, and morgan sort it out. Why do you constantly want to involve more and more people, when it is not their business? There are only 4 people that this has to do with. Possibly those two manipulative girls... but that is all. Why bother others with nonsense. We don't need more fake documents. What we need is love and care for each other and we need to put each other in each others shoes for a bit.

That is the only way to make sure that we end this.

Christmas is not a time for this nonsense.

Lets just agree to disagree with a lot of it.

Life is too short to have anything like this happen to anyone.

Remember its Christmas...

Lets share love in our hearts and let the spirit of Christmas transform the whole situation into something wonderful and beautiful.

That is my prayer for this whole thing, is that it becomes and wonderful and good experience for us all.

Only God knows why it happened so it is up to us to ask him for answers and especially at Christmas we want to all be loved by others and God and the world.

People think I am weird because I want to see the world get along better in peace and harmony... so maybe I am the last person that truly believes in love... but I am hoping that we all can change and learn to believe in miracles and love.

I know the whole U.S. has been through a lot since 9-11 and I am sorry about that and it's very sad and I do care about what happened very much but that can't be a reason to blame other countries for what some terrible people have done. There were no weapons of mass destruction to be found, but that caused so many innocent people to die.

The mentality seems to be jaded there and I think a lot of innocence may have been lost because of 9-11. I think people, who believed in love, may have stopped and may have been overcome with hate. Hate is never the answer.

If you could see this from my point of view and listen to what I went through and how I was tricked and manipulated and banned and harassed and hurt. If you are only thinking of yourself, then you will not be able to understand what I went through.

I am a human like you or anyone. Just because you can't seem me, doesn't mean I am not real, and have real feelings.

I hope this makes sense and do hope this is over with, or is very quickly ended.

This is the LEAST Christmassy thing I could be doing, so lets just end it and start to make the world a better place. Share love and joy.

Comfort and joy.

Jeff
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#140 UPDATE EX-employee responds

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AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

You ask 30 questions then tell me not to reply. If u ask questions I will answer them and as you said you do not want lies out there about you, well I feel you are lying about me and I dont want that so I have to reply

First: I did not have anything to do with them talking to you or what they talked to you about. If u remember things I even stated above u had plenty of side chats with them while we had a conference chat taking place too.

I was not a teacher or employer of them and gave them no instructions on how to talk to you or what to talk to you about

We NEVER claimed they were 18, we frequently mentioned one of them was 15 yes 15 not even old enough to drive so you have the memory problem with the memory there.

both them and you talked sexual. I never said the girls didnt but that all carried on from previous chats and you YES YOU initiated the very first round and things just continued from day to day.

I am sure they called you sexy but you always told them how hot they were too

1) Donald Duck - I do not recall the if the girls were part of the chat or not but I do remember us discussing donald and his terrible language and 4 letter words

2) cucumbers I do NOT recall, but what you and the girls talked about I have no clue if it was not a group chat

3) Watermelons I know of the conversation u had with others but never me directly

so, no you did NOT change what was talked about at times but u changed who did what to initiate everything and who you chatted with about what things. You had so many chats and side chats going that u cant remember who you told what and who asked u what. Keep it straight who the conversations were with. You also have it wrong of what I had control of with the girls.

now for the next section you wrote

85-90% of the chats were started by you

how did I manipulate you to chat with me let alone the girls as well? Are you manipulated that easy and have no control?

you contradict yourself on how you should like everyone and always make new friends. If that is the case there should be no problem that I have tony as a friend, and I dont think what he is saying is wrong, I agree with him.

I stand the same as you and will gladly end it but also am not going to end it with a posting like you made above directly calling me a liar and make comments that are far from accurate. Your last posting replying to my questions was only about me so yes it did take the reply.

I know you do not like to believe my print screen postings but I think most ppl do as not many of us have the free time to do all the editing you like to make it sound like I did. I am not familiar with it and dont have the time to do that, u make it sound like it is easy so u must have done it before and know how to do it and have plenty of time to do the editing. BUT, if any others who read this want to see more of the chats I will gladly post them or send them to anyone via email
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#141 UPDATE EX-employee responds

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AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

You ask 30 questions then tell me not to reply. If u ask questions I will answer them and as you said you do not want lies out there about you, well I feel you are lying about me and I dont want that so I have to reply

First: I did not have anything to do with them talking to you or what they talked to you about. If u remember things I even stated above u had plenty of side chats with them while we had a conference chat taking place too.

I was not a teacher or employer of them and gave them no instructions on how to talk to you or what to talk to you about

We NEVER claimed they were 18, we frequently mentioned one of them was 15 yes 15 not even old enough to drive so you have the memory problem with the memory there.

both them and you talked sexual. I never said the girls didnt but that all carried on from previous chats and you YES YOU initiated the very first round and things just continued from day to day.

I am sure they called you sexy but you always told them how hot they were too

1) Donald Duck - I do not recall the if the girls were part of the chat or not but I do remember us discussing donald and his terrible language and 4 letter words

2) cucumbers I do NOT recall, but what you and the girls talked about I have no clue if it was not a group chat

3) Watermelons I know of the conversation u had with others but never me directly

so, no you did NOT change what was talked about at times but u changed who did what to initiate everything and who you chatted with about what things. You had so many chats and side chats going that u cant remember who you told what and who asked u what. Keep it straight who the conversations were with. You also have it wrong of what I had control of with the girls.

now for the next section you wrote

85-90% of the chats were started by you

how did I manipulate you to chat with me let alone the girls as well? Are you manipulated that easy and have no control?

you contradict yourself on how you should like everyone and always make new friends. If that is the case there should be no problem that I have tony as a friend, and I dont think what he is saying is wrong, I agree with him.

I stand the same as you and will gladly end it but also am not going to end it with a posting like you made above directly calling me a liar and make comments that are far from accurate. Your last posting replying to my questions was only about me so yes it did take the reply.

I know you do not like to believe my print screen postings but I think most ppl do as not many of us have the free time to do all the editing you like to make it sound like I did. I am not familiar with it and dont have the time to do that, u make it sound like it is easy so u must have done it before and know how to do it and have plenty of time to do the editing. BUT, if any others who read this want to see more of the chats I will gladly post them or send them to anyone via email
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#142 UPDATE EX-employee responds

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AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

You ask 30 questions then tell me not to reply. If u ask questions I will answer them and as you said you do not want lies out there about you, well I feel you are lying about me and I dont want that so I have to reply

First: I did not have anything to do with them talking to you or what they talked to you about. If u remember things I even stated above u had plenty of side chats with them while we had a conference chat taking place too.

I was not a teacher or employer of them and gave them no instructions on how to talk to you or what to talk to you about

We NEVER claimed they were 18, we frequently mentioned one of them was 15 yes 15 not even old enough to drive so you have the memory problem with the memory there.

both them and you talked sexual. I never said the girls didnt but that all carried on from previous chats and you YES YOU initiated the very first round and things just continued from day to day.

I am sure they called you sexy but you always told them how hot they were too

1) Donald Duck - I do not recall the if the girls were part of the chat or not but I do remember us discussing donald and his terrible language and 4 letter words

2) cucumbers I do NOT recall, but what you and the girls talked about I have no clue if it was not a group chat

3) Watermelons I know of the conversation u had with others but never me directly

so, no you did NOT change what was talked about at times but u changed who did what to initiate everything and who you chatted with about what things. You had so many chats and side chats going that u cant remember who you told what and who asked u what. Keep it straight who the conversations were with. You also have it wrong of what I had control of with the girls.

now for the next section you wrote

85-90% of the chats were started by you

how did I manipulate you to chat with me let alone the girls as well? Are you manipulated that easy and have no control?

you contradict yourself on how you should like everyone and always make new friends. If that is the case there should be no problem that I have tony as a friend, and I dont think what he is saying is wrong, I agree with him.

I stand the same as you and will gladly end it but also am not going to end it with a posting like you made above directly calling me a liar and make comments that are far from accurate. Your last posting replying to my questions was only about me so yes it did take the reply.

I know you do not like to believe my print screen postings but I think most ppl do as not many of us have the free time to do all the editing you like to make it sound like I did. I am not familiar with it and dont have the time to do that, u make it sound like it is easy so u must have done it before and know how to do it and have plenty of time to do the editing. BUT, if any others who read this want to see more of the chats I will gladly post them or send them to anyone via email
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#143 UPDATE EX-employee responds

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AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

You ask 30 questions then tell me not to reply. If u ask questions I will answer them and as you said you do not want lies out there about you, well I feel you are lying about me and I dont want that so I have to reply

First: I did not have anything to do with them talking to you or what they talked to you about. If u remember things I even stated above u had plenty of side chats with them while we had a conference chat taking place too.

I was not a teacher or employer of them and gave them no instructions on how to talk to you or what to talk to you about

We NEVER claimed they were 18, we frequently mentioned one of them was 15 yes 15 not even old enough to drive so you have the memory problem with the memory there.

both them and you talked sexual. I never said the girls didnt but that all carried on from previous chats and you YES YOU initiated the very first round and things just continued from day to day.

I am sure they called you sexy but you always told them how hot they were too

1) Donald Duck - I do not recall the if the girls were part of the chat or not but I do remember us discussing donald and his terrible language and 4 letter words

2) cucumbers I do NOT recall, but what you and the girls talked about I have no clue if it was not a group chat

3) Watermelons I know of the conversation u had with others but never me directly

so, no you did NOT change what was talked about at times but u changed who did what to initiate everything and who you chatted with about what things. You had so many chats and side chats going that u cant remember who you told what and who asked u what. Keep it straight who the conversations were with. You also have it wrong of what I had control of with the girls.

now for the next section you wrote

85-90% of the chats were started by you

how did I manipulate you to chat with me let alone the girls as well? Are you manipulated that easy and have no control?

you contradict yourself on how you should like everyone and always make new friends. If that is the case there should be no problem that I have tony as a friend, and I dont think what he is saying is wrong, I agree with him.

I stand the same as you and will gladly end it but also am not going to end it with a posting like you made above directly calling me a liar and make comments that are far from accurate. Your last posting replying to my questions was only about me so yes it did take the reply.

I know you do not like to believe my print screen postings but I think most ppl do as not many of us have the free time to do all the editing you like to make it sound like I did. I am not familiar with it and dont have the time to do that, u make it sound like it is easy so u must have done it before and know how to do it and have plenty of time to do the editing. BUT, if any others who read this want to see more of the chats I will gladly post them or send them to anyone via email
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Jeff your still a Whack Job and Online Predator, stop slandering Alan and Art

AUTHOR: Tony - (U.S.A.)

Jeff I also find it appalling that you are now using the bible to justify your perverted behavior online. You also say you don't like being slandered but you have slandered the Kelly site, Alan and Art not just on this website but on other blogs you have put out on the internet claiming that you are just a victim in the whole thing. Where is Alan or Art's chance or ability to clear their name on these blogs you have posted out there.

Jeff if your 31 years old it is real simple: What are you doing talking dirty to underage girls online? It also doesn't surprise me if your still a virgin Jeff, just from your annoying posts I can tell your not dealing with a full deck of cards.

DO us all a favor Jeff, get off this site and stop going on and on like your some victim here. The real victims are the underage girls that you subjected to your perverted behavior online. How many victims are out there Jeff? How many will come forward?
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#145 Author of original report

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AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

All I have to say about that last comment is

With dealing with the four people on this Rip Off site, I am seriously wondering, especially with the last post, if people in the US actually get an eduacation. Inoccuous and bobe are not even words. You are right about two things though , you really do need spell check and you really are a "Mad man".

#1 I didn't do anything wrong.
#2 There are no charges.
#3 It's not the site I care about it's the comments made about me that are not true.

Words actually can hurt people. Parents and grandparents often will say that because most people are teased at some point in there lives . I have been studying the bible and slander and gossip is never harmless; it distorts the truth about people and almost always is intended to tear them down. The Bible rightly says that A perverse man stirs up dissension" (Proverbs 16:28). So please go on about your day and don't stir things up. Have a good Christmas and please think about what you are saying.

Jeff
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#146 Consumer Comment

Jeff is a Whack job and a pedophile

AUTHOR: Madman - (U.S.A.)

WOW! How much documented proof can be posted here from reputable (Need spell check) and Jeff still insists he's innocent of the charges brought against him. Life should not revolve around a silly, inoccuous Fan site. My Grand Mother always said, " Sticks and stones will break your bobe, but WORDS will never hurt you." Jeff GROW up!!!!!!!!!!
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Jeff is a Whack job and a pedophile

AUTHOR: Madman - (U.S.A.)

WOW! How much documented proof can be posted here from reputable (Need spell check) and Jeff still insists he's innocent of the charges brought against him. Life should not revolve around a silly, inoccuous Fan site. My Grand Mother always said, " Sticks and stones will break your bobe, but WORDS will never hurt you." Jeff GROW up!!!!!!!!!!
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#148 Author of original report

Please do not respond but know what you did and live with what you did forever.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

*Note I have tried to end this several times but you are making up things that I haven't done. I tried to post this 3 times but it is posting ads instead so hopefully you get the chance to see what you did to me and will tell people the truth ( yes or no) to what you said to me and what we talked about on the internet.

Art,

It was my intention to end it with my last and final post. Nope, I don't wish it to end with lies myself. I do want it to end art.

Alan said it would go away if we let it go away, so let's take his advice and we can just let it go.

Art, did you or did you not have those underaged girls on your msn and did you or did you not trick them into talking sexually, and did you or did you not instruct them to talk sexually to me and did they or did they not say they were over 18 and did they or did they not encourage sexual talk and did they or did they not call me sexy?

The answer to all is yes you did and yes they did. And if you can't remember this happening such a short time ago, I just don't know what you were thinking at the time this happened.

Art do you or do you not remember talking to me and the girls about

#1 Donald Duck ( and some of it was perverted)
#2 Cucumbers ( up areas of the young girls bodys)
#3 Watermelons ( encouraging me to have intercourse with the mellons at least several times per week and asking if I had bought one or two of the mellons and you asked what I did with them)

Art I am not changing the facts of what we talked about on msn ok, this is what it was.

Art, you may not have "MADE" me chat but you did come on msn with me A LOT and you were interested in me and manipulated me into chatting with you and you also got the girls to chat with me ( and made them act like they were romantically interested in me) so that you could talk with me and so that I would be interested in chatting with you and them. I remember it all well.

Ya I don't want to end it with you calling me down as well. But I want to end it ... when do you want to end it? When I say it's all over you come back and comment.

Well, about the phone calls at night. No one has my number other then you guys. Also it happened at the same time we were chatting.

Art, you made me "feel" like you were my friend, so I chatted with you, you manipulated me into chatting with your friendly talk, and your Kelly talk, and with the girls, who doesn't need a friend????....you knew I needed one and worked that to your advantage.

Why would you want to become freinds with Tony, a total stranger, just that fact, tells everyone that something is wrong. Maybe you are friends with him already? (because most people don't encourage negative people to be friends unless something is up) This puts a big question mark in all of your stories if you are trusting people that are clearly negative and possibly criminal.

I said I never REALLY request friends. The REALLLLLLLY meaning, that I added some celebs. Anyhow, I don't talk to people on MySpace...that site is old news. It's lost it's cool factor and it's boring now.

The officer just thought you and Alan and all the people telling on me like a kindergarten class were pretty lame. He set up the whole thing, just like they would anyone that they wanted to catch, and after a small chat he said to me just said to me that I was a good person and he said thank you for not wanting to talk to the girl he was calming to be, and that was it, he tried so hard, like you Art, to get me to say something, anything, and I didn't , and he was impressed with me. He really tried hard to get me to say something but I clearly stated my views to the girl he was trying to be, and said that I don't talk to girls under 18 and that I was sorry I didn't want to be friends with her.

So I feel good that I proved that to someone who had started to believe this nonsense. I am sure he knows my kind heart and I said to him thanks for doing your job, and I hope you catch the people who are committing the crimes.

I am the first person to disagree with people who harm children. I care about children very much, and you mistake care for them as hurt. Caring about people is not a bad thing. In the United States you may not see people caring and when people do care you may see that as strange but in Canada we like to care for people openly, and it is not harmful, it helps people.

I don't think I said anything bad about you or tony or alan. Your mistaking saying bad things with explaining the truth about what happened. Everyone has there own "truth" and you guys made your mind up about me before you even knew who I really was. I felt betrayed by you and Alan 100's of times. I am not the person you claim.

I don't understand your second to last paragraph at all.

ok don't use kelly's lyrics against me

I could say "because of you" ....

or

I will never be like you
Ill never do the things you do
Selfish and lonely, whats your problem?
Letting go of you and this
Is harder than I thought but I will not be poisoned by your actions

So ya Kelly is right that I will never be a person that tries to put people down and will not try to hurt a person's life.

I can't be poisoned by your actions.

or

don't waste your time trying to fix what I want to erase what I need to forget don't waste your time on my my friend, friend what does that even mean?

Because you said you were my friend, and you abused the word.

Friends would never do that to each other.

if you were my friend you would have cared for me.

I need to erase this and need to forget it.

Lets all erase it... don't waste myyyyyyyyy time ( the end of the song Kelly says don't waste myyy time .. so please don't.)

You say you wish me a great Christmas but that you don't wish me well, isn't that a lie right there? You either want me to have a great Christmas or don't, not both at the same time. Again you are showing that you will say one thing but mean the other. Merry Christmas and not wishing them well are too separate things.

I wish you well after all the bad things you guys have both done to me and that should defiantly be a sign that I can state what has happened while caring about you at the same time.

Merry Chistmas for real
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#149 Author of original report

Please do not respond but know what you did and live with what you did forever.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

*Note I have tried to end this several times but you are making up things that I haven't done. I tried to post this 3 times but it is posting ads instead so hopefully you get the chance to see what you did to me and will tell people the truth ( yes or no) to what you said to me and what we talked about on the internet.

Art,

It was my intention to end it with my last and final post. Nope, I don't wish it to end with lies myself. I do want it to end art.

Alan said it would go away if we let it go away, so let's take his advice and we can just let it go.

Art, did you or did you not have those underaged girls on your msn and did you or did you not trick them into talking sexually, and did you or did you not instruct them to talk sexually to me and did they or did they not say they were over 18 and did they or did they not encourage sexual talk and did they or did they not call me sexy?

The answer to all is yes you did and yes they did. And if you can't remember this happening such a short time ago, I just don't know what you were thinking at the time this happened.

Art do you or do you not remember talking to me and the girls about

#1 Donald Duck ( and some of it was perverted)
#2 Cucumbers ( up areas of the young girls bodys)
#3 Watermelons ( encouraging me to have intercourse with the mellons at least several times per week and asking if I had bought one or two of the mellons and you asked what I did with them)

Art I am not changing the facts of what we talked about on msn ok, this is what it was.

Art, you may not have "MADE" me chat but you did come on msn with me A LOT and you were interested in me and manipulated me into chatting with you and you also got the girls to chat with me ( and made them act like they were romantically interested in me) so that you could talk with me and so that I would be interested in chatting with you and them. I remember it all well.

Ya I don't want to end it with you calling me down as well. But I want to end it ... when do you want to end it? When I say it's all over you come back and comment.

Well, about the phone calls at night. No one has my number other then you guys. Also it happened at the same time we were chatting.

Art, you made me "feel" like you were my friend, so I chatted with you, you manipulated me into chatting with your friendly talk, and your Kelly talk, and with the girls, who doesn't need a friend????....you knew I needed one and worked that to your advantage.

Why would you want to become freinds with Tony, a total stranger, just that fact, tells everyone that something is wrong. Maybe you are friends with him already? (because most people don't encourage negative people to be friends unless something is up) This puts a big question mark in all of your stories if you are trusting people that are clearly negative and possibly criminal.

I said I never REALLY request friends. The REALLLLLLLY meaning, that I added some celebs. Anyhow, I don't talk to people on MySpace...that site is old news. It's lost it's cool factor and it's boring now.

The officer just thought you and Alan and all the people telling on me like a kindergarten class were pretty lame. He set up the whole thing, just like they would anyone that they wanted to catch, and after a small chat he said to me just said to me that I was a good person and he said thank you for not wanting to talk to the girl he was calming to be, and that was it, he tried so hard, like you Art, to get me to say something, anything, and I didn't , and he was impressed with me. He really tried hard to get me to say something but I clearly stated my views to the girl he was trying to be, and said that I don't talk to girls under 18 and that I was sorry I didn't want to be friends with her.

So I feel good that I proved that to someone who had started to believe this nonsense. I am sure he knows my kind heart and I said to him thanks for doing your job, and I hope you catch the people who are committing the crimes.

I am the first person to disagree with people who harm children. I care about children very much, and you mistake care for them as hurt. Caring about people is not a bad thing. In the United States you may not see people caring and when people do care you may see that as strange but in Canada we like to care for people openly, and it is not harmful, it helps people.

I don't think I said anything bad about you or tony or alan. Your mistaking saying bad things with explaining the truth about what happened. Everyone has there own "truth" and you guys made your mind up about me before you even knew who I really was. I felt betrayed by you and Alan 100's of times. I am not the person you claim.

I don't understand your second to last paragraph at all.

ok don't use kelly's lyrics against me

I could say "because of you" ....

or

I will never be like you
Ill never do the things you do
Selfish and lonely, whats your problem?
Letting go of you and this
Is harder than I thought but I will not be poisoned by your actions

So ya Kelly is right that I will never be a person that tries to put people down and will not try to hurt a person's life.

I can't be poisoned by your actions.

or

don't waste your time trying to fix what I want to erase what I need to forget don't waste your time on my my friend, friend what does that even mean?

Because you said you were my friend, and you abused the word.

Friends would never do that to each other.

if you were my friend you would have cared for me.

I need to erase this and need to forget it.

Lets all erase it... don't waste myyyyyyyyy time ( the end of the song Kelly says don't waste myyy time .. so please don't.)

You say you wish me a great Christmas but that you don't wish me well, isn't that a lie right there? You either want me to have a great Christmas or don't, not both at the same time. Again you are showing that you will say one thing but mean the other. Merry Christmas and not wishing them well are too separate things.

I wish you well after all the bad things you guys have both done to me and that should defiantly be a sign that I can state what has happened while caring about you at the same time.

Merry Chistmas for real
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#150 Author of original report

Prove it and don't respond to the truth about what you did to me.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

*NOTE: I want to end this whole thing, the problem with Art's last batch of lies is that I don't like him telling them. I am trying to end it right now. Also this reponcse was supposed to come after Art posted such nonesense, but for some reason I just noticed that Art and Alan were being too quiet and I thought I would check what was up???? Could they actually have stopped like I had asked them to do? Nope. They just didn't get my message*

Here it is , I saved it just in case.

Art,

It was my intention to end it with my last and final post. Nope, I don't wish it to end with lies myself. I do want it to end art.

Alan said it would go away if we let it go away, so let's take his advice and we can just let it go.

Art, did you or did you not have those underaged girls on your msn and did you or did you not trick them into talking sexually, and did you or did you not instruct them to talk sexually to me and did they or did they not say they were over 18 and did they or did they not encourage sexual talk and did they or did they not call me sexy?

The answer to all is yes you did and yes they did. And if you can't remember this happening such a short time ago, I just don't know what you were thinking at the time this happened.

Art do you or do you not remember talking to me and the girls about:

#1 Donald Duck ( and some of it was perverted)
#2 Cucumbers ( up areas of the young girls bodys)
#3 Watermelons ( encouraging me to have intercourse with the mellons at least several times per week and asking if I had bought one or two of the mellons and you asked what I did with them)

Art I am not changing the facts of what we talked about on msn ok, this is what it was.

Art, you may not have "MADE" me chat but you did come on msn with me A LOT and you were interested in me and manipulated me into chatting with you and you also got the girls to chat with me ( and made them act like they were romantically interested in me) so that you could talk with me and so that I would be interested in chatting with you and them. I remember it all well.

Ya I don't want to end it with you calling me down as well. But I want to end it ... when do you want to end it? When I say it's all over you come back and comment.

Well, about the phone calls at night. No one has my number other then you guys. Also it happened at the same time we were chatting.

Art, you made me "feel" like you were my friend, so I chatted with you, you manipulated me into chatting with your friendly talk, and your Kelly talk, and with the girls.... Who doesn't need a friend????... you knew I needed one and worked that to your advantage.

Why would you want to become freinds with Tony, a total stranger, just that fact, tells everyone that something is wrong. Maybe you are friends with him already? (because most people don't encourage negative people to be friends unless something is up.. I find this very odd.)

I said I never REALLY request friends. The REALLY meaning, that I added a few of them. Like some of the celebs. Anyhow, I don't talk to people on MySpace...that site is old news. It's lost it's cool factor and it's boring now.

The officer just thought you and Alan and all the people telling on me like a kindergarten class were pretty lame. He set up the whole thing, just like they would anyone, that they wanted to catch, and after a small chat he said to me that I was a good person and he said thank you for not wanting to talk to the girl he was claming to be, and that was it, he tried so hard, like you Art, to get me to say something, anything, and I didn't , and he was impressed with me. He really tried hard to get me say something and but I clearly stated my views to the girl he was trying to be, and said that I don't talk to girls under 18 and that I was sorry I didn't want to be friends with her.

So I feel good that I proved that to someone who you wanted to believe this nonsense. I am sure he knows my kind heart and I said to him thanks for doing your job, and I hope you catch the people who ACTUALLY committing the crimes.

I am the first person to disagree with people who harm children. I care about children very much, and you mistake care for them as hurt. Caring about people is not a bad thing. In the United States you may not see people caring and when people do care you may see that as strange but in Canada we like to care for people openly, and it is not harmful, it helps people.

I don't think I said anything bad about you or tony or alan. Your mistaking saying bad things with explaining the truth about what happened. Everyone has there own "truth" and you guys made your mind up about me before you even knew who I really was. I felt betrayed by you and Alan 100's of times. I am not the person you claim.

I don't understand your second to last paragraph at all.

ok don't use kelly's lyrics against me

I could say "because of you" ....

or

I will never be like you
Ill never do the things you do
Selfish and lonely, whats your problem?
Letting go of you and this
Is harder than I thought but I will not be poisoned by your actions

So ya Kelly is right that I will never be a person that tries to put people down and will not try to hurt a person's life.

I can't be poisoned by your actions.

or

don't waste your time trying to fix what I want to erase what I need to forget don't waste your time on my my friend, friend what does that even mean?

Because you said you were my friend, and you abused the word.

Friends would never do that to each other.

if you were my friend you would have cared for me.

I need to erase this and need to forget it.

Lets all erase it... don't waste myyyyyyyyy time ( the end of the song Kelly says don't waste myyy time .. so please don't.)

You say you wish me a great Christmas but that you don't wish me well, isn't that a lie right there? You either want me to have a great Christmas or don't, you can't wish someone Merry Christmas and then not wish them well... makes no sense, like everything you say about me.
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You Wont End It

AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

So you want it to end but dont want it to on lies. Well I dont want it to end on lies either and you are lying dearly. Get to the fact you dont want it to end without trying to fake people out and have a decent reputation which takes lies.

I am not going to let you lie about me and go out looking so bad either, especially when what you say is so far off and you only remember parts you want and modify the rest. If the person hasnt posted and you dont believe it fine but if you really want to know the person you have offened and is pissed at you is the other person from the fan club that you used a quote from above. She said there was nothing wrong with the fan club that was a posting about a few ppl that she was not happy with but the fan club did nothing wrong and treated her fine. She is not happy you are dragging her name in to it and try to use her and make things sound so different then they are.

Call me a liar again since you dont want people thinking bad about you when this is over but once again no double standards and I am not going to let this end with you giving me a bad name so you are making me defend myself as well

I say again that you need to wake up, I was "making" you chat with me, I was "making" you chat with girls. I guess I should take that as awesome as it shows I have amazing powers. If you did NOT want me to chat with you after 1 day 1 week or the first bad experience why didnt you block me right then? Either you still wanted to chat or maybe you were just stalking me.

As far as it being me, alan or any other person we know calling you late night think it through. How would any of us got your phone number? Maybe a "friend" of yours gave it to us or I made a posting asking for it? Once again what power and authority I have and how I can accomplish anything.

Tony stated the fact that he doesnt know me or alan. I can confirm we have never met or chatted but I think he sounds like one that thinks things through and wouldnt mind chatting with him and being friends sometime

Regarding my space you say you never really request friends. Am I supposed to believe porn stars run searches for virgins and found you and requested you as a friend? Every celebrity too? So avril, fergie and whoever else found you? Once again it shows that you kind of exaggerate. How about the children on your site? Celebrity or not you even said nothing with someone under 18 I told you before that you should delete all of them, you say the officer told you the same but dont listen to him either. If you are telling the truth about the officer investigating you it shows that you had been reported to the law and by more then a few people if it was worth them investigating and pull off a sting. I bet tony even figured that out. You want tony out of it but the way you slam him he is going to defend himself as well. You will not let this end with bad things being said about you yet you say terrible things about other people and we are supposed to let it end there.

Think what else you want to blame me for or alan or me and alan being one person why not make me alan and tony one like you think is possible. Heck lets make all of the people that said a bad thing about you one person and anyone that supported you is just you so this has been an argument between 2 people and the one you are arguing with is pinky. That sure makes it easy and explains so much.

I was serious when I said happy thanksgiving like you are doing with christmas. Yes I hope the holidays are great for everyone. You also can understand the term of we dont wish you bad things but we dont wish you well and since u been gone the fan club can breathe for the first time
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#152 Author of original report

Think whatyou like Tony, your are a Troll, trying to get a reaction from Alan me and art. The internet has too many to begin with.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Tony your letter is pure nonsense.

Well we don't know who you are if you know them or not.. you could be just a some fool sent out by them to stir up the pot.

You don't know the first thing about me. You can think whatever you like, but what you are thinking at the moment is not true at all.

I have never once did anything like you said in your lame letter. You think my writing is a waste of time, well think about yours, believing lies and deceit from 2 men that work with young girls and had them on their sites and there msn and told them sexual things to say to me.

I don't see how you can even think for a second the things you are, but like I said think what you want. It's BS. I can tell you are crazy as well, so according to each other's thoughts we are both crazy.. so be crazy just don't post anymore because if you don't have any thing to do with Alan or Art them why are you trying to continue things on.. if this is a waste of time, then why are you trying to waste more time by posting?

Your just one of the stupid people that believe lies that people tell on the internet.

It's over Tony. I know you wanted in on the discussion, and want to bother me. I am sure this is a cheap thrill for you, like it is was for some of the people that participated in it, but ya more people will see you if you go to a blog of some famous people, not me. Your a troll, and your using the classic trolling words in your posts.

I belive me, alan , and art are finished so if you want to chat with yourself online, then that's fine with us.

As far as i am concerned the whole thing was a misunderstanding that art and alan took to the extreme. They couldn't talk to me, they have to go to the extreme and play tricks and manipulate people, and even Art wasted 6 months talking to me on msn, what kind of employee would go out of there way to get children on there msn, then have them trick someone as to what there age was, and it all included very sexual talk ( not coming from me but them) and then tried to blame me for this time of chats.

But like I said think what you want. Like Art said ( I think) people will think what they like, they got the truth from me, if they want to believe lies you can.

My friends know the truth and lots of people from kellyville and the official fan club knew what was going on in the fanclub at the time I was on. You Tony , where not a part of the Kelly fan club and truly don't have any say in this matter.
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Jeff Stackhouse (Mission B.C.) is a Stalker and Pervert, likes teenage girls

AUTHOR: Tony - (U.S.A.)

Jeff,

I was never employed by Alan or Art, I never met them. I simply came across your posts and other posts on the internet. I can tell you are crazy Jeff. Jeff go get committed somewhere and get a life. I have already formed the opinion that you are a stalker, dangerous and a whack job. Pure plain and simple.

Jeff you will be arrested soon for your crimes online, it is not a matter of if, but when. You can rant and rave all you want and write long drawn out responses that people don't even bother to read. But in the end Jeff, anyone with half a brain can see that your not dealing with a full deck of cards. On top of that your out there as online predator joining these teen fan sites to talk dirty to the girls and ask them to do sexual things for you.

On top of that Jeff you have wasted everyones time on this site. No one cares about your problems. You have been exposes as the pervert (child molester) you are.

Parents: Keep your kids away from this guy if they are online, he preys on kids at fan club sites. Then starts out with dirty sexual talk about sponge bob.

Jeff you don't scare me one bit, I am not one of your little victims, I fight back. I say no, I say that your a whack job.
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#154 Author of original report

Case Closed. Last posting by Jeff/Alan/Art/Tony/Whoever/Final Answer/ Believe what you want( you will anyhow) Let it be. (Speaking words of wisdom... Let it be)

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

First of all, I want to asure everyone that I am not a stalker and I am not dangerous at all, I am very loving and sweet and I am a good person. Everyone knows I am except for the few liars I have dealt with here. ( That would be Art, Alan and the new culprit Tony (who has nothing to do with any of this)

I am not weird. I didn't get worked up over this, what they did to me made me sad and it hurt me, anyone would have done the same thing.

I am sure "Tony" is one of the kids Alan and Art had worked with, and I am sure that they are just wanting in on some of the discussion, or are employed to try and upset me.

Art, Pinky and the officer guy both told me I did nothing wrong, what more can I really say about the situation other then you and Alan have to just accept the facts and go on about your days.

No Tony could be anyone. He could be someone you employed to make me look bad.

I don't think I talked to anyone in the UK, I think that is not true.

Yes I was forced by you Art to chat with you for 6 months. I knew what you were doing the whole time, and I knew you wanted me to say sexual stuff to the girls you forced apon, but I didn't and you kept trying to make me say bad things to them. Well I thought that was sick. Do you not think you are not more at fault then you think I am for actually using those 15 year old girls to talk to me? They were instructed to have sexual conversations with me which I did not want any part of. And yes, Art, I remember you specifically being obsessed with

#1 Watermelons and the notions of having sexual intercourse with them.

#2 Cucumbers and wanting me to put them up sexual places of the girls

#3 Loving Donald Duck

I seriously am not lying or would never lie about anything on this site.
You saying that you didn't talk about this stuff is the biggest lie of all because I clearly remember you doing it and saying this stuff.

Yes I should have blocked you.

No I don't recall any of your lies.

Yes I do want to let it die but I don't appreciate the lies, and the slander.
I said to let it go in all post but Alan and you keep it going. If you guys would just stop, then I could just stop.Every time you post I have to give more details about what happened.

I find haters, like Tony , just are just irritating to the whole world. I don't think we should pay attention that just want to annoy and bother other people.

Ya 1,0000 people. I don't know if that is lots or almost no one. I mean if I have 1,000 real friends that's a ton. They are not all personal friends. You mentioned the people on my my space, well they wanted to be friends with me, I rarely ever talk to anyone on my space.

Ya Kellyville is pretty cool. It's a good site, I just think some of the comments about me could be removed because I feel it is slander. I don't feel anything that is posted on it is the truth. Same goes with the fan club.

Well Morgan and Pinky, I think, should be held accountable for there actions. This was not just between Alan and you, Pinky promised me a lot, and vanished, and Morgan never got the Memo from Pinky. So what Pinky said to me, never actually happened.

Well you always seemed like an obsessed Kelly fan to me always wanting me to get you to be her friend. I don't really know her friends very well. I have only talked to them a few times. They seem pretty nice. They seemed to like me quite a lot. And we talked about a few things. I am very respectful towards Kelly and her friends, and I also want to be respectful towards her website people, which would include Alan and I think Art possibly, so I want to, again, care for you, and at the same time , stick up for what happened to me... which can be a difficult balance.

Like you said, I too, would love to have a few great close freinds then a 1,000 friends that I didn't really know. I am trying to get those great close freinds.

I was Very sincere when I said Merry Christmas to you and Alan. I would never want anything wrong to happen to you and I would never want us to feel bad about each other. At one time I was freinds with both you Art, and you Alan . Friends as in we talked a lot and were very friendly on the internet. So yes, we have gone through a lot, but I am hoping there is no hard feelings. I still feel what happened was wrong, and you guys think what I did was wrong, but we don't have to feel bad anymore.

Like I said I am feeling like wiping the slate clean, but I also want you and alan, and everyone I have ever talked to in my life, to wipe it clean too. You guys know that a lot of what you did to me was pretty unfair in your hearts, so I think we can both admit to doing things we wish we could undo.

I certainly would not have been as enthusiastic of a fan, at least not online, that is often misunderstood as something it's not. (Or as dangerous or a stalker like Tony was saying) I just really connected to Kelly's really cool personality. All the fans did, and most fans openly admit to being obsessed with Kelly. We all are, all of the fans. I think even Alan and Art could be considered to be a bit Kelly obsessed at times.

Alan, no one has ever been or will be a threat. Tony, I don't know who this guys is , it does seem really fishy to have this guy jump in with outrageous comments at this time, but ya I am not going to say he is Alan or Art.
Why the heck would I want to be friends with your relatives? No, I would not want to be freinds with them.

Alan, no one is perfect. We all make mistakes, and we all have, especially with what happened here. I never said I was perfect, and I know no one is.

Jeff

unfortunatly, Jeff sneaks back on with school comptuers and such.. we end up re-banning him.. but he'll never be allowed on any site I do, and the fan club has banned him for life.

Jeff fails to understand that by law, a website can deny or revoke access to anyone for any or no reason, jsut like any business or store can refuse to serve a customer for any or no reason, they reserve the right to do so if they feel someone is a threat.

Jeff will now claim Tony is either myself or Art, jsut so he can ramble on about everything even more, and go into how everyone is always wrong and out to get him and he's perfect, as he has been doing for years already. He'll probably try to go through my myspace friends list agian too and try to add relatives of mine he wouldn't find anywhere in a search or on other myspace friends lsit as they aren't Kelly fans, then deny he did it...it's his way.

I'm sure he'll fork over another $30 for the fan club again as well, which he's still banned on, but ti doesn't stop him, then he'll whine about how it cost him another $30 when they catch him on again and ban the new account.
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#155 Author of original report

Tell the TRUTH!!!!! And did you employ Tony to get in on this? this stinks of an inside job.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Jeff

Oh come on Alan/ Art, the real question is why haven't you been guys been arrested.????

Your the one who told the underage teens what perverse things to say to me, and your the one who told them to say the perverted and disgusting things that you said I should do with them, if anyone should be arrested it should be Art, then possibly Alan, but I don't really know if he is connected to Art and what happened with him and the kids on his MSN, but there could be some connection between Art and Alan. I personally do think there is some connection. But I don't know for sure. I think they both work for the same websites.

Well I didn't offend anyone but you and alan perhaps. Ok so apparently those kids that were on your msn and are from the USA, right, so would it not be easy to catch you? Did you mention to the officer what you did? If you did I am sure he would have been investigating you.

How come the girls that were on your msn that said they were older and then younger and then older to trick me many times have not fessed up to what they had done?

Well who would like him? Come on? Your government is ******* anyhow.Ya and I talked to the US law enforcement guy on msn and he tried to lure me into a trap as did Art ( both acting as a young girl) , and guess what, in the end he said I was a very nice person, and that he didn't believe I had done anything wrong ( just like what Pinky said) when he talked to me a.. he said just to make sure not to talk to anyone under 18 because they could be pulling scams themselves ( saying they are older or younger then they really are), which I know is part of what happened. ( so that guy, whoever he is, does have some proof too)

Well I am 31, and I have told Art and Alan time and again to just let this all go. I am being the adult here. I am wishing you guys the best as you put me down, so that's a testament to my care and my wants to be a good person and my wants to fix matters.

I don't want this to go any further but you always come back with more allegations and I am not going to sit back and have someone say anything negative about me.

Well if people don't want me around, that would means to me that someone somewhere thinks that I have done something wrong, if I have done something wrong I want to talk about it and work it out, and fix it. I don't want people to think I am a bad person because of something a couple guys thought I did. I mean, like Pinky and the officer and even what Art found out was that I was a very nice person and never once said anything wrong about anyone and that's the part you guys never had the courage to admit.

I don't think there is anything wrong with a person that would want to speak there mind if they feel they have been wronged. I mean what if something like this happened to you? Would you sit there and let it happen or tell what actually happened?

K anyhow i don't want to keep going on and on it's nonsense at this point, I mean what I am saying is not, but the way you guys will not admit to what you did, is pretty upsetting.

Like I said it's getting to the point where without you guys telling the truth and without Pinky telling people what he wrote to me, and without the officer saying what he said to me on MSN, with the girls you had on your msn in hiding , and with Morgan and Pinky in hiding it's really hard to let the true facts be know. Sure they could lie, but I would think if Pinky came on here I think he would tell the truth. He seemed to want to get along with me, which is not something I have noticed so far with Alan/Art.

I am not wanting to be friends. I dont' think that is going to happen or should happen , but as adults, we should be able to wish each other well, and then agree to go our own ways peacefully.

I have been through 10 figurative mills because of this. You guys have no idea what I have been through because of this. For example I believe it was the girls or you (art) from Msn that were calling me in the middle of the night. ( I got the calls at the same time we had been chatting)
I have been through way worse then that but the other parts of this are too painful to talk about.

While it seems though out the discussions that you and Art have tried to put me down, what I have said has not been to put anyone down but to explain my side of this. I never said you are a pervert, or you suck, or you are mean or sick, I never went for cheap put downs.

That shows a lot of integrity on my part and I don't want to sink to the low levels you guys have in your responses.

I think we all could have gotten along from day one it was just the "freak-out" reactions you guys had over me that was really terrible.
I was a bit enthusiastic on the sites, yes, but in no way was the way I was treated permissible. That is what I have been trying to tell you for countless years.

I appreciate you reading this but it would be more helpful if you guys would admit to the wrongdoings you have done in the situation so that we could all get on with our lives ok?

The conclusion I am looking for, as Alan has said will not happen as hard as I try, but what we want to do it let it die down ok?

I think Alan/Art have stated their case here, and I think it would be nice to hear from Pinky or Morgan, sure it's more people that are on your side so to speak but if I could get the truth from them then I think it would all be over.

Over, meaning Pinky says "Yes jeff, I told you that you did nothing wrong and that you would only be banned from the fan club for one year. I have no idea why when Morgan took over the fanclub, that she didn't put you back on the site with full privileges, she was ordered to do that, but didn't".

Then you guys would know what he said, what Morgan did, and would probably let things go, and eventually I think people would not need to have that info about me ( which I consider to be slander) on the site

OK, so can we please try to all get along, like I said it's Christmas. Lets put our differences aside right now please. Lets put this to rest before December 1st if we can. Start December Fresh. That is what Kelly would want most. She is the person the fans look up to, and she says that December is the time that all the junk builds up and then the new year is fresh and good and clean and pure and I think we can take November and December and just not worry about what was said but just wipe the slate clean and if we could try to forgive each other I think we could set an example here for all Kelly fans and to Kelly. That we had a harsh time, but because we listened to her we found a way to work things out. I am sure Kelly would think this was super lame to be fighting this out.

Lets take the energy and time we are putting into this and go out on the street and help the poor people survive the winter and cook them soup. That is what Kelly would love to see happen.
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#156 UPDATE EX-employee responds

he'll never be back on

AUTHOR: Alan - (U.S.A.)

unfortunatly, Jeff sneaks back on with school comptuers and such.. we end up re-banning him.. but he'll never be allowed on any site I do, and the fan club has banned him for life.

Jeff fails to understand that by law, a website can deny or revoke access to anyone for any or no reason, jsut like any business or store can refuse to serve a customer for any or no reason, they reserve the right to do so if they feel someone is a threat.

Jeff will now claim Tony is either myself or Art, jsut so he can ramble on about everything even more, and go into how everyone is always wrong and out to get him and he's perfect, as he has been doing for years already. He'll probably try to go through my myspace friends list agian too and try to add relatives of mine he wouldn't find anywhere in a search or on other myspace friends lsit as they aren't Kelly fans, then deny he did it...it's his way.

I'm sure he'll fork over another $30 for the fan club again as well, which he's still banned on, but ti doesn't stop him, then he'll whine about how it cost him another $30 when they catch him on again and ban the new account.
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Double Standards

AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

once again jeff does not understand there cannot be proof accepted by one party and the same type not accepted by the other. How can you prove to outside people yours is unaltered and/or alan and I have altered ours. Your word is not proof. If word is accepted I have proof so does alan as we both say so. I also have proof as others will tell you and other people that mine were not.

I think tony has read alot of this and come to a proper conclusion but once again he is suppose to believe only jeffs side and know alan, I and the others are lying.

Alan beat me to the part saying being international issue and some afraid to testify. I laso have one friend from the uk that had a chat with me the I had her tell alan how jeff talked that way and freaked her out that she quit posting on kckellyville.com. People get a clue when people so far from jeff are afraid of him there is a problem

Speaking of cucumbers and watermelons there is one of your lies, as I never said a thing there you are forgetting 4 of us would be chatting and you would have side chats going on with the girls, both individually and with the 2 of them at the same time. You knew from day 1 they were 15. If all this was force and went on for 6 months why did you chat with us? Why didnt you just block everyone? Obviously you were still wanting and willing to chat. The day you finally did anything was when on of the girls told you that these chats proved everything posted on kckellyville.com and how we were members and/or staff. At that time you became prejudice and said how everyone from that site was bad amd lied. You just lost track of who you were chatting with and about what and who knows how many other children you were chatting with at the same time. Even side chats with me on occassion. One of the chats you even kept asking me to buy you a pair of kelly panties for your 30th birthday present. Do you recall that one?

Jeff you have been told for 2 years or so to just forget it and let this issue die but starting this posting shows you do not want to let it die. When you start a posting like this and make comments and stories like you know alan and I and others are going to step and defend ourselves and tell people what we have. With you continually bringing it up you are far from letting it die

You totally missed my point menitioning 1000 people. I said consider that being the case maybe it is 0 who know, but even if 1000 from kellyville hated you for this in the population today 1000 is nothing, there are plenty out there to make up for your 1000 haters so let it go.

Speaking of my space see you have 1000 friends so why care about the other 1000 people. The only problem with the 1000 people on your my space is look at how many are children/minors and how many are real friends. I doubt you know many of them. The number of porn stars on there, I have seen kids as young as 12 and all sorts of them under 18. Isn't this another indication? IF you don't chat with them or minors etc why are they friends on your my space?

I think morgan and pinky have done a very good job pleasing you. You say you want the issue to die and that is exactly what they have done. Just because you are banned from the fan club isn't a life crisis. I could belong but don't. Most people tell me they get more from kckellyville.com then they do the fan club.The only reason they belong is the hope of getting meet and greet passes. You always make it sound like you always get front row seats to every concert you attend so a meet and greet pass should not be an issue. Not to mention all the contacts you always had with kelly that you thought you might be able to gradually work me in with. So let the 2 of them stay away and have the issue die.

You get the extreme answers due to postings you make. Notice this is nothing terrible, you might not like part of it but I point out the places you have things slightly mixed up. Yes I am defending myself where you are so wrong about the things you remember about me. But like I said it is not a worry to me if every person from this topic believes your comments about me. Yes you having so much mixed up doesnt thrill me, but I have plenty of friends and people that believe me and I am close friends with and can be happy if they are the only ones I ever have the rest of my life. It is honestly better having fewer friends and closer relationships then having 1000 friends.

When I said happy thanksgiving you said you took it as a joke so I am taking your merry christmas the same.

If you really want it to end just make a simple posting stating case closed
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#158 Consumer Comment

Jeff is a STALKER and DANGEROUS!!

AUTHOR: Tony - (U.S.A.)

I went through this guys posts some more and he is definitely a nut job, no doubt about it. Uses the anxiety as an excuse to act weird. He also accuses Alan of slandering him but also slanders Alan in his own posts. I agree with the other guy that posted on here earlier, for this guy to get so worked up over a fan site is weird. This guy is a stalker type. I would warn Kelly to watch out for Jeff. Jeff Stackhouse is dangerous and should be avoided at all costs, if any teenagers read this, "STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM THIS GUY."

The other thing with Jeff is all the writing for just a few sentences. He goes on and on and and on and on...... That is a good sign of a nut job.

The joke Jeff told minors on sponge bob was inappropriate and sexual in nature. I can see why you banned him. Keep blocking his IP address Alan and what ever you do, don't let him back on.
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#159 Author of original report

Please be more truthful about this. Put a little love in your hearts.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Oh come on Alan/ Art, the real question is why haven't you been guys been arrested.????

Your the one who told the underage teens what perverse things to say to me, and your the one who told them to say the perverted and disgusting things that you said I should do with them, if anyone should be arrested it should be Art, then possibly Alan, but I don't really know if he is connected to Art and what happened with him and the kids on his MSN, but there could be some connection between Art and Alan. I personally do think there is some connection. But I don't know for sure. I think they both work for the same websites.

Well I didn't offend anyone but you and alan perhaps. Ok so apparently those kids that were on your msn and are from the USA, right, so would it not be easy to catch you? Did you mention to the officer what you did? If you did I am sure he would have been investigating you.

How come the girls that were on your msn that said they were older and then younger and then older to trick me many times have not fessed up to what they had done?

Well who would like him? Come on? Your government is ******* anyhow.Ya and I talked to the US law enforcement guy on msn and he tried to lure me into a trap as did Art ( both acting as a young girl) , and guess what, in the end he said I was a very nice person, and that he didn't believe I had done anything wrong ( just like what Pinky said) when he talked to me a.. he said just to make sure not to talk to anyone under 18 because they could be pulling scams themselves ( saying they are older or younger then they really are), which I know is part of what happened. ( so that guy, whoever he is, does have some proof too)

Well I am 31, and I have told Art and Alan time and again to just let this all go. I am being the adult here. I am wishing you guys the best as you put me down, so that's a testament to my care and my wants to be a good person and my wants to fix matters.

I don't want this to go any further but you always come back with more allegations and I am not going to sit back and have someone say anything negative about me.

Well if people don't want me around, that would means to me that someone somewhere thinks that I have done something wrong, if I have done something wrong I want to talk about it and work it out, and fix it. I don't want people to think I am a bad person because of something a couple guys thought I did. I mean, like Pinky and the officer and even what Art found out was that I was a very nice person and never once said anything wrong about anyone and that's the part you guys never had the courage to admit.

I don't think there is anything wrong with a person that would want to speak there mind if they feel they have been wronged. I mean what if something like this happened to you? Would you sit there and let it happen or tell what actually happened?

K anyhow i don't want to keep going on and on it's nonsense at this point, I mean what I am saying is not, but the way you guys will not admit to what you did, is pretty upsetting.

Like I said it's getting to the point where without you guys telling the truth and without Pinky telling people what he wrote to me, and without the officer saying what he said to me on MSN, with the girls you had on your msn in hiding , and with Morgan and Pinky in hiding it's really hard to let the true facts be know. Sure they could lie, but I would think if Pinky came on here I think he would tell the truth. He seemed to want to get along with me, which is not something I have noticed so far with Alan/Art.

I am not wanting to be friends. I dont' think that is going to happen or should happen , but as adults, we should be able to wish each other well, and then agree to go our own ways peacefully.

I have been through 10 figurative mills because of this. You guys have no idea what I have been through because of this. For example I believe it was the girls or you (art) from Msn that were calling me in the middle of the night. ( I got the calls at the same time we had been chatting)
I have been through way worse then that but the other parts of this are too painful to talk about.

While it seems though out the discussions that you and Art have tried to put me down, what I have said has not been to put anyone down but to explain my side of this. I never said you are a pervert, or you suck, or you are mean or sick, I never went for cheap put downs.

That shows a lot of integrity on my part and I don't want to sink to the low levels you guys have in your responses.

I think we all could have gotten along from day one it was just the "freak-out" reactions you guys had over me that was really terrible.
I was a bit enthusiastic on the sites, yes, but in no way was the way I was treated permissible. That is what I have been trying to tell you for countless years.

I appreciate you reading this but it would be more helpful if you guys would admit to the wrongdoings you have done in the situation so that we could all get on with our lives ok?

The conclusion I am looking for, as Alan has said will not happen as hard as I try, but what we want to do it let it die down ok?

I think Alan/Art have stated their case here, and I think it would be nice to hear from Pinky or Morgan, sure it's more people that are on your side so to speak but if I could get the truth from them then I think it would all be over.

Over, meaning Pinky says "Yes jeff, I told you that you did nothing wrong and that you would only be banned from the fan club for one year. I have no idea why when Morgan took over the fanclub, that she didn't put you back on the site with full privileges, she was ordered to do that, but didn't".

Then you guys would know what he said, what Morgan did, and would probably let things go, and eventually I think people would not need to have that info about me ( which I consider to be slander) on the site

OK, so can we please try to all get along, like I said it's Christmas. Lets put our differences aside right now please. Lets put this to rest before December 1st if we can. Start December Fresh. That is what Kelly would want most. She is the person the fans look up to, and she says that December is the time that all the junk builds up and then the new year is fresh and good and clean and pure and I think we can take November and December and just not worry about what was said but just wipe the slate clean and if we could try to forgive each other I think we could set an example here for all Kelly fans and to Kelly. That we had a harsh time, but because we listened to her we found a way to work things out. I am sure Kelly would think this was super lame to be fighting this out.

Lets take the energy and time we are putting into this and go out on the street and help the poor people survive the winter and cook them soup. That is what Kelly would love to see happen.

Jeff
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#160 Consumer Comment

Thanks Alan for the scoop on Jeff the whack JOB!!!

AUTHOR: Tony - (U.S.A.)

Thanks so much Alan for then info here on Jeff. It is greatly appreciated.
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Why Jeff hasn't been arrested

AUTHOR: Alan - (U.S.A.)

it's all international. Jeff in Canada, the kids in the US. They have more serious offenders, and a long list of such that keeps growing every day.
It was actually a US Law Inforcement official who did the background search on Jeff leading to most of the information, the red tape involved in an international offense (and canadian gov't not to happy with Pres. Bush) does not help matters.

It also requires several direct reports to officials from the people he harrassed, not the third parties. Most anyone will do on a third party report is maybe keep an eyeout to see if he strikes again where they can catch him, or do a sting, then he'd have to cross the border for them to arrest him, then red tape still starts...because a Canadian/Non-Us resident was arrested in the US, they'd just ship him back.
There are also quite a few udnerage girls who are affraid to tell their parents because they dont want their itnernet taken away.. not all the kids udnerstand if they do go to their parents, they're doing the right thing, and will be trusted more. And alot simply dont have parents around that much (divorce, working long hours, etc.. it's tough these days).. so all we can do is try to tell them to print the chats and emssages and ask their parents to call the police.. leave a note with it fror their parents to see.

I'd be happy if Jeff just grew up, stopped his nonsense, and went away.. Like Art said, whjy does he care so many people don't want him around, and he still tries. There is something wrong right there.
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Why Jeff hasn't been arrested

AUTHOR: Alan - (U.S.A.)

it's all international. Jeff in Canada, the kids in the US. They have more serious offenders, and a long list of such that keeps growing every day.
It was actually a US Law Inforcement official who did the background search on Jeff leading to most of the information, the red tape involved in an international offense (and canadian gov't not to happy with Pres. Bush) does not help matters.

It also requires several direct reports to officials from the people he harrassed, not the third parties. Most anyone will do on a third party report is maybe keep an eyeout to see if he strikes again where they can catch him, or do a sting, then he'd have to cross the border for them to arrest him, then red tape still starts...because a Canadian/Non-Us resident was arrested in the US, they'd just ship him back.
There are also quite a few udnerage girls who are affraid to tell their parents because they dont want their itnernet taken away.. not all the kids udnerstand if they do go to their parents, they're doing the right thing, and will be trusted more. And alot simply dont have parents around that much (divorce, working long hours, etc.. it's tough these days).. so all we can do is try to tell them to print the chats and emssages and ask their parents to call the police.. leave a note with it fror their parents to see.

I'd be happy if Jeff just grew up, stopped his nonsense, and went away.. Like Art said, whjy does he care so many people don't want him around, and he still tries. There is something wrong right there.
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Why Jeff hasn't been arrested

AUTHOR: Alan - (U.S.A.)

it's all international. Jeff in Canada, the kids in the US. They have more serious offenders, and a long list of such that keeps growing every day.
It was actually a US Law Inforcement official who did the background search on Jeff leading to most of the information, the red tape involved in an international offense (and canadian gov't not to happy with Pres. Bush) does not help matters.

It also requires several direct reports to officials from the people he harrassed, not the third parties. Most anyone will do on a third party report is maybe keep an eyeout to see if he strikes again where they can catch him, or do a sting, then he'd have to cross the border for them to arrest him, then red tape still starts...because a Canadian/Non-Us resident was arrested in the US, they'd just ship him back.
There are also quite a few udnerage girls who are affraid to tell their parents because they dont want their itnernet taken away.. not all the kids udnerstand if they do go to their parents, they're doing the right thing, and will be trusted more. And alot simply dont have parents around that much (divorce, working long hours, etc.. it's tough these days).. so all we can do is try to tell them to print the chats and emssages and ask their parents to call the police.. leave a note with it fror their parents to see.

I'd be happy if Jeff just grew up, stopped his nonsense, and went away.. Like Art said, whjy does he care so many people don't want him around, and he still tries. There is something wrong right there.
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Why Jeff hasn't been arrested

AUTHOR: Alan - (U.S.A.)

it's all international. Jeff in Canada, the kids in the US. They have more serious offenders, and a long list of such that keeps growing every day.
It was actually a US Law Inforcement official who did the background search on Jeff leading to most of the information, the red tape involved in an international offense (and canadian gov't not to happy with Pres. Bush) does not help matters.

It also requires several direct reports to officials from the people he harrassed, not the third parties. Most anyone will do on a third party report is maybe keep an eyeout to see if he strikes again where they can catch him, or do a sting, then he'd have to cross the border for them to arrest him, then red tape still starts...because a Canadian/Non-Us resident was arrested in the US, they'd just ship him back.
There are also quite a few udnerage girls who are affraid to tell their parents because they dont want their itnernet taken away.. not all the kids udnerstand if they do go to their parents, they're doing the right thing, and will be trusted more. And alot simply dont have parents around that much (divorce, working long hours, etc.. it's tough these days).. so all we can do is try to tell them to print the chats and emssages and ask their parents to call the police.. leave a note with it fror their parents to see.

I'd be happy if Jeff just grew up, stopped his nonsense, and went away.. Like Art said, whjy does he care so many people don't want him around, and he still tries. There is something wrong right there.
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#165 Author of original report

Feeling Christmasy. I am hoping we can be kinder towards each other now.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Hey Art,

First of all, I think we should both ignore this Tony guy, I think he is trying to stir up the pot, and as he has nothing whatsoever to do with it, I think we will continue to talk man to man about this in a civil fashion... anyhow he clearly is mistaken and doesn't have the slightest clue about what happened.

Well who cares what others believe. This is a private matter that I wanted to work out between you (ART) ALAN, PINKY, MORGAN, and that is all the people we need to be involved. No one else knows anything. Other people want to make matters worse.

Ya the only problem with your written proof Art, is that "someone" from your camp hacked me and my written proof was lost. I can assure you I had it, and I can probably assure you that Alan knew something about that letter from Pinky. He just doesn't wish to admit it I guess.

Well first of all I don't lie, and you and alan clearly do. I have never done stuff with watermelons. You said I did one day out of the blue. You were like Jeff you should go and buy some watermelons and have sex with them. I remember you saying it to me. I was thinking what kind of a person are you to suggest that and in front of what you told me were children... the girls that were always on your msn with you.

Well I am the victim, and I thought I could get some answers but without Pinky and Morgan we can't really go forward unfortunately.

I wish you and Alan could have been more truthful and said what really happened, now I just feel bad that all of this typing on the internet even started... waste of time.

What is standing with Pinky and Morgan? Pinky and Morgan have nothing, but Pinky knows the message he sent to me. So if he came on here, the truth would be known.

Actually I want to let this die, like Alan said. As much as what I think he did was wrong and what you did is wrong. I am feeling very Christmasy, and because of that, I want to be freinds and not enemies.

That goes for anyone that is for or against me or you. I don't care who anyone thinks is wrong or right.

I just want us all to have a great christmas and feel a lot of love in our hearts for each other. We have been through a lot, and my and your hearts have been damaged and I would like to ask God or whoever you believe in for understanding for both of us and I would love the truth to set me free, but more so I would like for all of us to have a wonderful Christmas, the better you and alan and morgan and pinky feel the better I will feel because I feel connected to you guys, and feel we should kinda go our own ways for the better of all of us. I mean come to a peaceful conclusion, and then peacefully say goodbye.

Ok lets say no one knows about it, that would be great. But there are many Kelly Clarkson fans that do, and I would like it to go away. With that on the sites it's just making matters for ALL of us worse.

I promise you I will not, would not and will never ever ever ever talk to any girls. And I would also like you and Alan to promise too since you think I am so bad, and I think you are so bad how about we both agree not to talk to them, ( which no one shouldn't be anyhow) and then the world will know we would never do that and they will all be happy about that and then all will be right with the world hopefully, or at least this little squabble will be over.

Ya lets hope some of the fans out there have some common sense and believe the person that this all happened too. The main proof is, that if I actually did it, then I would have gone away and let it all fade away, but I was so upset that I was being talked about in a negative fashion on the Kelly sites that I wanted the truth to be known.

Ok so 1000 people don't like me? That is crap. I have thousands on my space that are fans of me, and love me, and for those ppl I say thank you and I will not be going anywhere. I love life, and I love caring for others. If you guys got the wrong impression it was because I was friendly with people and because I was caring. It was not what you had thought. I can assure you your own minds made up at least 80% of what you thought happened.

The other 20% was me being a bit too excited to be a Kelly fan, and I am a very excited Kelly fan. I just think she is wonderful. If I could do this all over again, I would be a little less excited and it would never have happened.

What is with the quote :"Believe it or not there is nobody other then me that everybody loves." Do you truly believe that everyone loves you?" I used to think everyone loved me too, because I love everyone else, but with those 1000 people on the site all that has changed now. But i love them all, I know they misunderstood me, so I know they do not know the truth so their dislike of me was not brought on with my actions but with stories they heard. I know everyone would like me if they met me, even Alan.

Like I said the 1,000 can believe whatever they want but educated people would never believe a story on the internet that I have personally told them was false. I don't care what they believe. Everyone has there own brain. I know what I know about you and Alan as well.

Well Morgan Plex is on my space. I wrote her a few times on there but did't get a response and then Pinky, well I have no idea his e mail that is now gone from my contacts unfortunately or we could get to the bottom of this.

Anyhow I am not out to put anyone down, sometimes the facts I saw may seem harsh but they are just the facts. I care about you and the whole situation. It's Christmas. I'd love to see that "slander" or whatever you guys want to call it leave the sites, and I'd like to come to an end here.

If we can't find Morgan and Pinky, how the heck am I to bring the truth out here?

Anyhow it's not long to Christmas and I have lots to get done

I wish you all the very best, lets be caring towards each other from now on. I feel some of the comments made were too harsh and we were probably both not as caring as we should have been.

Thanks
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Tony please read this and please appologize for your terrible comment.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Tony, are you sure you should not be arrested?

You make up slander about people, so that is totally illegal and is against the law.
I did nothing to break any laws and I have tried to help as many people as I can help by using this example to show that internet people can not be trusted.

Did you not hear the news that 3 out of 4 people will be scammed, or used, or hacked on the internet? Well I was one of them, and it will happen to almost all of us unfortunately because the internet is full of crime.

And no I would not have sexual talk with minors. Can you not see that these people are criminals? I told you I wrote this report because these sites committed crimes against me.

You just want to get a reaction out of me so you and Art, and Alan are saying things you know will hurt me. I know this because I have talked to many people about it.

Excuse me but ART was the one with the underaged girls on his MSN and he asked ME to talk to them in sexual ways. I told him I DID NOT WANT TO . He had 2 underaged girls that came on his msn nearly EVERY time we talked in order to try to get me to say bad stuff, which I did not.

It was ART asked if the girls wanted to put things such as cucumbers up there butts, and I in no way agreed with it.

So watch what you say and who you accuse.

The girls he was sharing his MSN with he had no right to have on his msn if he is indeed a 50 year old man.

I am a very great and awesome person and I just wish you would stop thinking I am some weirdo. I am a person that cares about others and I care about Art and Alan and even you Tony even though you don't seem to understand.

People don't understand me at all, but I have tried to explain things the best I can.

Look at it this way.

Why did Art try to get me to say sexual things to young girls?
Why did Art suggest it would be cool to put cucumbers up young girls butts?
Why did Art constantly force me to talk to underage girls?
I never wanted to talk to them or Art, but he and his "girls" came on MSN to talk to me every night for 6 or 7 months.
In this time he tried to get me to say things I would not normally say so he could return that info to Alan.
From my understanding they were working together and they used the children in ways that were illegal. Telling kids sexual things is in no way proper or good, or right. And they accuse me of that, but what about the countless times Art would talk with me with children about the most disgusting sexual acts... no one ever called him out for that!!!!

So why are you saying this things about me?

Art? Tell me the truth about why you had those children on your MSN and why you made them talk dirty with me. You told me they were over 18 and then after a several months you said they were not.

You tricked me more then a few times and I am upset with your actions and I am saddened by what you did.

It was bad enough with what Alan did , and you took it to the next level!!
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Tony please read this and please appologize for your terrible comment.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Tony, are you sure you should not be arrested?

You make up slander about people, so that is totally illegal and is against the law.
I did nothing to break any laws and I have tried to help as many people as I can help by using this example to show that internet people can not be trusted.

Did you not hear the news that 3 out of 4 people will be scammed, or used, or hacked on the internet? Well I was one of them, and it will happen to almost all of us unfortunately because the internet is full of crime.

And no I would not have sexual talk with minors. Can you not see that these people are criminals? I told you I wrote this report because these sites committed crimes against me.

You just want to get a reaction out of me so you and Art, and Alan are saying things you know will hurt me. I know this because I have talked to many people about it.

Excuse me but ART was the one with the underaged girls on his MSN and he asked ME to talk to them in sexual ways. I told him I DID NOT WANT TO . He had 2 underaged girls that came on his msn nearly EVERY time we talked in order to try to get me to say bad stuff, which I did not.

It was ART asked if the girls wanted to put things such as cucumbers up there butts, and I in no way agreed with it.

So watch what you say and who you accuse.

The girls he was sharing his MSN with he had no right to have on his msn if he is indeed a 50 year old man.

I am a very great and awesome person and I just wish you would stop thinking I am some weirdo. I am a person that cares about others and I care about Art and Alan and even you Tony even though you don't seem to understand.

People don't understand me at all, but I have tried to explain things the best I can.

Look at it this way.

Why did Art try to get me to say sexual things to young girls?
Why did Art suggest it would be cool to put cucumbers up young girls butts?
Why did Art constantly force me to talk to underage girls?
I never wanted to talk to them or Art, but he and his "girls" came on MSN to talk to me every night for 6 or 7 months.
In this time he tried to get me to say things I would not normally say so he could return that info to Alan.
From my understanding they were working together and they used the children in ways that were illegal. Telling kids sexual things is in no way proper or good, or right. And they accuse me of that, but what about the countless times Art would talk with me with children about the most disgusting sexual acts... no one ever called him out for that!!!!

So why are you saying this things about me?

Art? Tell me the truth about why you had those children on your MSN and why you made them talk dirty with me. You told me they were over 18 and then after a several months you said they were not.

You tricked me more then a few times and I am upset with your actions and I am saddened by what you did.

It was bad enough with what Alan did , and you took it to the next level!!
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#168 Author of original report

Tony please read this and please appologize for your terrible comment.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Tony, are you sure you should not be arrested?

You make up slander about people, so that is totally illegal and is against the law.
I did nothing to break any laws and I have tried to help as many people as I can help by using this example to show that internet people can not be trusted.

Did you not hear the news that 3 out of 4 people will be scammed, or used, or hacked on the internet? Well I was one of them, and it will happen to almost all of us unfortunately because the internet is full of crime.

And no I would not have sexual talk with minors. Can you not see that these people are criminals? I told you I wrote this report because these sites committed crimes against me.

You just want to get a reaction out of me so you and Art, and Alan are saying things you know will hurt me. I know this because I have talked to many people about it.

Excuse me but ART was the one with the underaged girls on his MSN and he asked ME to talk to them in sexual ways. I told him I DID NOT WANT TO . He had 2 underaged girls that came on his msn nearly EVERY time we talked in order to try to get me to say bad stuff, which I did not.

It was ART asked if the girls wanted to put things such as cucumbers up there butts, and I in no way agreed with it.

So watch what you say and who you accuse.

The girls he was sharing his MSN with he had no right to have on his msn if he is indeed a 50 year old man.

I am a very great and awesome person and I just wish you would stop thinking I am some weirdo. I am a person that cares about others and I care about Art and Alan and even you Tony even though you don't seem to understand.

People don't understand me at all, but I have tried to explain things the best I can.

Look at it this way.

Why did Art try to get me to say sexual things to young girls?
Why did Art suggest it would be cool to put cucumbers up young girls butts?
Why did Art constantly force me to talk to underage girls?
I never wanted to talk to them or Art, but he and his "girls" came on MSN to talk to me every night for 6 or 7 months.
In this time he tried to get me to say things I would not normally say so he could return that info to Alan.
From my understanding they were working together and they used the children in ways that were illegal. Telling kids sexual things is in no way proper or good, or right. And they accuse me of that, but what about the countless times Art would talk with me with children about the most disgusting sexual acts... no one ever called him out for that!!!!

So why are you saying this things about me?

Art? Tell me the truth about why you had those children on your MSN and why you made them talk dirty with me. You told me they were over 18 and then after a several months you said they were not.

You tricked me more then a few times and I am upset with your actions and I am saddened by what you did.

It was bad enough with what Alan did , and you took it to the next level!!
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#169 Author of original report

Tony please read this and please appologize for your terrible comment.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Tony, are you sure you should not be arrested?

You make up slander about people, so that is totally illegal and is against the law.
I did nothing to break any laws and I have tried to help as many people as I can help by using this example to show that internet people can not be trusted.

Did you not hear the news that 3 out of 4 people will be scammed, or used, or hacked on the internet? Well I was one of them, and it will happen to almost all of us unfortunately because the internet is full of crime.

And no I would not have sexual talk with minors. Can you not see that these people are criminals? I told you I wrote this report because these sites committed crimes against me.

You just want to get a reaction out of me so you and Art, and Alan are saying things you know will hurt me. I know this because I have talked to many people about it.

Excuse me but ART was the one with the underaged girls on his MSN and he asked ME to talk to them in sexual ways. I told him I DID NOT WANT TO . He had 2 underaged girls that came on his msn nearly EVERY time we talked in order to try to get me to say bad stuff, which I did not.

It was ART asked if the girls wanted to put things such as cucumbers up there butts, and I in no way agreed with it.

So watch what you say and who you accuse.

The girls he was sharing his MSN with he had no right to have on his msn if he is indeed a 50 year old man.

I am a very great and awesome person and I just wish you would stop thinking I am some weirdo. I am a person that cares about others and I care about Art and Alan and even you Tony even though you don't seem to understand.

People don't understand me at all, but I have tried to explain things the best I can.

Look at it this way.

Why did Art try to get me to say sexual things to young girls?
Why did Art suggest it would be cool to put cucumbers up young girls butts?
Why did Art constantly force me to talk to underage girls?
I never wanted to talk to them or Art, but he and his "girls" came on MSN to talk to me every night for 6 or 7 months.
In this time he tried to get me to say things I would not normally say so he could return that info to Alan.
From my understanding they were working together and they used the children in ways that were illegal. Telling kids sexual things is in no way proper or good, or right. And they accuse me of that, but what about the countless times Art would talk with me with children about the most disgusting sexual acts... no one ever called him out for that!!!!

So why are you saying this things about me?

Art? Tell me the truth about why you had those children on your MSN and why you made them talk dirty with me. You told me they were over 18 and then after a several months you said they were not.

You tricked me more then a few times and I am upset with your actions and I am saddened by what you did.

It was bad enough with what Alan did , and you took it to the next level!!
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#170 Consumer Comment

Why hasn't Jeff been arrested?

AUTHOR: Tony - (U.S.A.)

I have been trying to follow these posts on here but the most disturbing things I have read are the allegations that Jeff has been making sexual talk with minors. Remember just because Jeff doesn't meet with the kids (minors) doesn't mean that some of his conduct or actions may have not broken state and Federal Laws.

I would just like to say if these moderators and admin of these websites have all this information, then you need to contact your local law enforcement and get them to forward it on to the RCMP in Canada. If that is where Jeff really is? I am sure you can trace his IP or something or the authorities can. If Jeff has done these things, he needs to be arrested and charged for sex crimes. It is illegal to proposition minors for sex or sexual favors, either on line, phone, in person, etc (if it happened?). You admin people may even want to see if the FBI is interested in this info and all the chat logs, especially if Jeff is asking young girls to put stuff up their but and stuff. That is whacked man!!!!!!!

Jeff, you are a sick whack job that needs to be arrested and serve some time in prison. There you can get friendly with BUBBA your new cell mate. You can tell Bubba what your requests are.

You amdmin people please contact the authorities US Marshals, FBI, who ever and have this guy charged.
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#171 UPDATE EX-employee responds

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AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

well I guess the bigger question is if others read this who do they believe. You claim your email would be a cut and paste with no altering, yet mine would be altered. Lets make this like a professional case as this is business related.

If your documents and submitted and accepted as proof mine would be too. You can claim yours are not altered just as I say about mine. Why should others believe you instead of me and alan? If it comes down to this for solving the problem it will never be solved as you have made yourself the victim the judge and the jury just so the outcome can be what you want. well bud get real that is not how the system works.

Truth be known that is where things stand with pinky and morgan and they are not going to take the time to deal with it. They can have all sorts of proof and you will claim it was all altered. I forgot you are a PI too and know how to investigate and prove all this. Everyone against you is claimed to alter while you are the only one that doesnt. If you think about all this you have going you are far from letting it die.

Just think even if all this was lies like u claim (which it isnt) what should it matter with the number of ppl that know about it? there are probably 2000 members of kv, a lot are not real active, plenty dont follow the story, some might even believe you. So lets call it 1/2 and say that u have a bad name with 1000 ppl. Do you really care that there are 1000 ppl in the world that give you a bad name? Even if they change their mind do you want them as friends? Believe it or not there is nobody other then me that everybody loves. Just accept the small group thinking you are terrible and let it die.

Once again if you find any email addresses let me know and I will write the people and see if I get a response
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#172 UPDATE EX-employee responds

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AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

well I guess the bigger question is if others read this who do they believe. You claim your email would be a cut and paste with no altering, yet mine would be altered. Lets make this like a professional case as this is business related.

If your documents and submitted and accepted as proof mine would be too. You can claim yours are not altered just as I say about mine. Why should others believe you instead of me and alan? If it comes down to this for solving the problem it will never be solved as you have made yourself the victim the judge and the jury just so the outcome can be what you want. well bud get real that is not how the system works.

Truth be known that is where things stand with pinky and morgan and they are not going to take the time to deal with it. They can have all sorts of proof and you will claim it was all altered. I forgot you are a PI too and know how to investigate and prove all this. Everyone against you is claimed to alter while you are the only one that doesnt. If you think about all this you have going you are far from letting it die.

Just think even if all this was lies like u claim (which it isnt) what should it matter with the number of ppl that know about it? there are probably 2000 members of kv, a lot are not real active, plenty dont follow the story, some might even believe you. So lets call it 1/2 and say that u have a bad name with 1000 ppl. Do you really care that there are 1000 ppl in the world that give you a bad name? Even if they change their mind do you want them as friends? Believe it or not there is nobody other then me that everybody loves. Just accept the small group thinking you are terrible and let it die.

Once again if you find any email addresses let me know and I will write the people and see if I get a response
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AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

well I guess the bigger question is if others read this who do they believe. You claim your email would be a cut and paste with no altering, yet mine would be altered. Lets make this like a professional case as this is business related.

If your documents and submitted and accepted as proof mine would be too. You can claim yours are not altered just as I say about mine. Why should others believe you instead of me and alan? If it comes down to this for solving the problem it will never be solved as you have made yourself the victim the judge and the jury just so the outcome can be what you want. well bud get real that is not how the system works.

Truth be known that is where things stand with pinky and morgan and they are not going to take the time to deal with it. They can have all sorts of proof and you will claim it was all altered. I forgot you are a PI too and know how to investigate and prove all this. Everyone against you is claimed to alter while you are the only one that doesnt. If you think about all this you have going you are far from letting it die.

Just think even if all this was lies like u claim (which it isnt) what should it matter with the number of ppl that know about it? there are probably 2000 members of kv, a lot are not real active, plenty dont follow the story, some might even believe you. So lets call it 1/2 and say that u have a bad name with 1000 ppl. Do you really care that there are 1000 ppl in the world that give you a bad name? Even if they change their mind do you want them as friends? Believe it or not there is nobody other then me that everybody loves. Just accept the small group thinking you are terrible and let it die.

Once again if you find any email addresses let me know and I will write the people and see if I get a response
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AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

well I guess the bigger question is if others read this who do they believe. You claim your email would be a cut and paste with no altering, yet mine would be altered. Lets make this like a professional case as this is business related.

If your documents and submitted and accepted as proof mine would be too. You can claim yours are not altered just as I say about mine. Why should others believe you instead of me and alan? If it comes down to this for solving the problem it will never be solved as you have made yourself the victim the judge and the jury just so the outcome can be what you want. well bud get real that is not how the system works.

Truth be known that is where things stand with pinky and morgan and they are not going to take the time to deal with it. They can have all sorts of proof and you will claim it was all altered. I forgot you are a PI too and know how to investigate and prove all this. Everyone against you is claimed to alter while you are the only one that doesnt. If you think about all this you have going you are far from letting it die.

Just think even if all this was lies like u claim (which it isnt) what should it matter with the number of ppl that know about it? there are probably 2000 members of kv, a lot are not real active, plenty dont follow the story, some might even believe you. So lets call it 1/2 and say that u have a bad name with 1000 ppl. Do you really care that there are 1000 ppl in the world that give you a bad name? Even if they change their mind do you want them as friends? Believe it or not there is nobody other then me that everybody loves. Just accept the small group thinking you are terrible and let it die.

Once again if you find any email addresses let me know and I will write the people and see if I get a response
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Missing People: Pinky Gonzalaz and Morgan Plex.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

OK so why do you feel I should answer you when you didn't attempt to answer my questions????

#1) No one knows this. He was let go from the job, or "fired" for doing "who knows what". No one knows where Pinky is, or why he didn't respond back to me in a year. I e mailed him a few times. I had his e mail and kept trying to get hold of him, but no answer.

I will try to find Pinky's e mail address. I totally did have it, and tried to contact him, but that address could have been in my msn that got hacked and if that is the case I lost his e-mail. ( unfortunately ) It was crazy because I was dealing with Pinky, and in a year he is gone, and then how frustrating do you think that would be?

#2) Ya Where is Pinky... didn't Alan say he is working with someone in the same building as him? If you are so close to Alan, I think you would know a bit about where Pinky is located.

#3) Ya Morgan did go into hiding. I read on the internet that she did a lot of bad things. I posted the proof, but Alan kinda when off on that. But that is what I found and I didn't alter it at all, it is just copy and pasted on here. I also e mailed her, but did not get an answer. I e mailed every manager I could, never an answer.

Only "you did nothing wrong, but we have to take precaution for a year"

And for your information I am answering questions directly.

I am not excepting fake doctuments. My e mail, being real, would have been proof, if I actually had it now. The hacker be it you, alan, or whoever it was, must have wanted that evidence destroyed.

Ya anyone you know will go against me only because you and Alan corrupt there minds and brainwash them so much they can't think for themselves. These are kids, they don't know any better then to believe what you are telling them.

Sure I can make money, what does that have to do with anything? I can sell pictures. Lots of people do.

Ya well I have a clear conscience too, so I guess you can blame me as much as you want too.

No I want to end it, but I don't want you and Alan lying about me anymore, I would say to let it die down. Just let it go away. Once I talk to Morgan and Pinky, then I will talk it out privately.

Well the only reason I can't except your writing is because I know it's not real and because it's manipulated and it's wrong. I'll except video proof. I know there is no way in hell you have that, because I have never even met any of you.

Someone in your camp hacked my msn and my space to take all the proof I had. Someone in your camp stole my proof and now I can't present it to you at this point, but I did have it.

The 2nd chat probably isn't up because the site probably found out it was manipulated and didn't want false information on this site.

So you have all of the answers.

I still think you must have been working with Pinky because he was on the site at the same time you were.

I am searching my computer for "Pinky" now but it's probably a long shot.
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Now You Answer My Questions

AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

ok dude to your comment you get this reply, you are the one that used dude so I want the proper grammar you use.

1) Why has pinky never contacted you?

I cannot tell you as I have never met or talked to Pinky. If you want me to make up a story I will but I don't do that no matter what you believe. If you still have an e-mail address for pinky send it to me and I honestly will try contacting him.

2) Where is Pinky?

Never meeting or chatting with Pinky I can' tell you

3)Where is Morgan hiding?

Morgan is another I am not associated with and have never met or chatted with

so I directly answer questions unlike you.

Now you claim you had e-mail but also know you are one that said saved email and chats do not count so it wouldnt have mattered any how, as evidence by one person has to be accepted on both sides so written documents are not allowed on either side, as this is professional. In a professional case writing and testimony of others are the strongest proof that exist

The post I added are the ones you never did reply and no I do not know that person, any one I know will gladly post their name going against you.

I have plenty of e-mail and direct chats, such as the ones I have posted here that did not include anyone else. I bet if I look the one that you ask me to buy you kelly panties/underwear for your 30th birthday is one of them. The ones that if I would provide you with money you have sources and contacts with kelly that you can get me in contact with but over time. You needed money to buy the piece of glass kelly used when kissing people at the awards. You even talked to management about that one. You always had something you could do or get related to kelly but always needed money from me, as you were short. However you have front row seats to 2 concerts a month so where does that money come from? You have never had a job and still think selling your artwork or pictures of yourself just might make the money.

If you don't get it I will see if this explains it and maybe you understand it this time.

I did NOT hack e-mail or myspace. Can it be anymore direct and total denial? I have no idea who did it but seeing other postings of so many people on multiple messages boards the list could be fairly long.

The part of me taking the blame is explained is this: If you want to blame me go ahead as if you dont want to believe the comment I DONT care what you think as with everything I have posted the truth and have nothing to feel bad or guilty about and have a totally clear conscience. If it will save another person taking crap from you I am happy to help that person. I do NOT have a clue how to hack a my space or e-mail.

Speaking of my space who is the one that has all sorts of children as friends on their my space? Not to mention porn stars, what a combination children and pornography.

I think I have directly answered your questions directly and have made what is an honest offer to get you answer, just provide me an email address and I will write Pinky asking for an explanation, no guarantee I will get a response either. Just know that even that is not anything to prove something as most people have made this the past and put it behind them. Look at who started this and does not let it die down. When something like is discovered and you have posted comments like you did expect someone like alan to defend himself and you just keep adding fuel and have not figured out that you are asking for an additional rebuttal.

Now will you directly answer my question? What will you accept as proof against you from me or alan? You keep avoiding that question and I think you fear someone will come up with whatever you will accept so the answer is nothing. But also know your word against ours (as far as outside people count) is not going to prove your innocence. Written documents such as e-mail don't seem to count for me or alan so it can't count for you either. Can you please tell me why my 2nd chat hasn't shown up on this site yet? So can you please provide me with answers to these questions and even Pinky's address.
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#177 Author of original report

Pinky's E-mail to me was Proof.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Art you saying Happy Thanksgiving is just another way that you and Alan have turned my complaints about you into a farce.

This is not a joking matter and I don't wish for you guys to put me down or makes stupid jokes. It's just not amusing.

Well the proof I have is Pinky Gonzaliz writing to me and saying I am allowed on the fan club and that I didn't do anything wrong. That was the exact words and that's what we know.

No, I'm not a teen/ not looking for sympathy other then from you and alan and morgan and pinky who did me wrong.

Well maybe me not liking a Disney character swearing comments on my good nature. I don't know of anyone who would "Turn" against me other then you or Alan. Well if you don't know how to hack why are you standing in front of me here saying you do. Saying you will take the blame is basically admitting to doing it.

The person I "hurt" is probably someone you and Alan are employing to make me look bad. And that's not something I will ever agree with.

You have manipulated everything I have ever said or done to make it seem as if I did something wrong. It is all wrong and your twisting of words and manipulating of events is very wrong.

Oh just so everyone knows, that anonymous person is one of Art's friends that was manipulated into going along with Art and Alan's schemes.

He would always talk to me with 2 girls that would try to get me to say things. He would always tell ask me if I thought these girls were hot and I would say no. He would continuously try to make me like them, and they would constantly hit on me and ask me sexual questions. The purpose of him doing this was to try to get information on me that he could save without me knowing it.

Like I said if you have a question about what happened and you want to be serious about it, then ask and i will answer your question with 100% honesty as I always do.

Copying and pasting a ton of the posts on here which I already responded to doesn't help matters. You can look back at my responses if you want to know what I said about these issues you present.

And please dont say "pissed" it's rude slang that isn't welcomed in this professional environment.

I don't want you guys making my efforts with you into a name calling game, which you are doing.

If you have something intelligent to say, say it, if not, don't. I still don't think you and Alan can be over the age of 15. ( dude to unprofessional comments, putdowns, and poor grammar.)

Art, Alan, Pinky, and Morgan should be thankful that the truth is about you is not known to the public. So that is why your thanks giving may be "Happy"

The one questions, which I am sure you and Alan will again ignore, because it was said to me and it was a legal agreement between me and Pinky, was that

#1 Pinky agreed to let me on the fan club in one year's time

#2 Pinky said I did nothing wrong on the fan club and that what happened to me was unfortunate and he said it happened "just in case".

I didn't like that comment "just in case" because I never deserved it.

and the biggest question of them all

Where is Pinky Gonzalaz ( which is apparently his real name)

And Morgan Plex hiding?

Why would they not answer my questions?

Why would they not admit to the terms they set for me and the fan club?

I have not gotten any answers from them!!

Why must they hide?

Do they feel ashamed for hurting me and just not want to have to deal with the situation?

I have gladly answered your questions, now you guys please answer mine

Jeff

PS: I would accept Pinky's letter to me as proof if only I had it. The one where he said I did nothing wrong and that I could come on in a year.

Unfortunately that e mail was lost when someone hacked my msn.

Obviously one of you hacked me , or got someone to hack me, so that information would not get out.
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#178 UPDATE EX-employee responds

HAPPY THANKSGIVING

AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

ok so you didnt answer the question of what you will accept as proof. If writing doesnt count what does? If it is all verbal then you seem to have lost when you read comments of the others, even not counting postings by me and alan. You dont believe age with me and/or alan, with the way this is such an issue to you I find it hard to believe you are not a teen. This complaint appears everywhere looking for sympathy. If you dont get enough from one group you try to find another place but still havent had much luck.

Once again it is word against word when it comes to myspace and donald duck. I might be the only one you told about donald duck but I told several people, all for the reason I found it hilarious when you told me you dont like him and that you think he is always cussing. That makes a lot of sense that a disney character cusses. I am not the one who did anything to your myspace and I have a few guesses who it might be, but also think of the number of ppl that have turned against you, even if it is all brainwashing by alan or the fan club, there is a d**n long list of who would love to be the ones to hack it. I am not one who is that knowledegable with type of thing that is why I say I will take the blame, it is one more thing I know how to do. If you are going to blame me for so much why have another person pulled in by you and I am one that could care less what you say or think. As you keep claiming there is nothing for proof, according to your standards even if u basically have a written confession it doesnt count.

I am hoping the person you hurt will make the posting like I was told they will.

Regarding the anonymous person here are his/her statements

Jeff, You never give up...
I've heard all there is about you. Everything. I've been on the outside looking in and the inside looking out. I know how you operate and how you treat others. I've dealt with you before I became a manager at KCKV and during. I've talked to you on MSN messenger on multiple occasions. And for the purpose of what i have to say to you and about you, I wish to remain anonymous.

You stated above that you've never talked sexually with a person under the legal age of 18. I know that for a fact to be untrue. The person who you talked sexually with is a close friend of mine and I was there in the room when you said what you said. You talked about the sexual things you'd like to do with her. For example, how you said how you wanted to use all sorts of vegetables and toys in her vagina and all the possibilities of toys in her butt... In extreme detail... That chat was shown to other people and will back us up on the statement that you DO in fact talk sexually minors.

On the occasions that you and i have talked, you've asked me repeatedly to show you 'booty pics' which I always refused to show you. You have asked me to leave who I was dating to date you. Which I always refused. You asked me if I would have sexual intercourse with you. Which. Of course. I would always. Refuse. I also do recall MSN names such as '[-Jeff-DL is way better then sex! Did Ariel, Belle,Jasmine and KellyC (of course)'.

You have talked sexually to me and friends.. You've talked about sex to me and friends. You've talked sexually about Kelly Clarkson with me and friends..

And I quote from saved chat:

'11.08.2006 22:10:33 [-Jeff-DL is way better then sex! Did Ariel, Belle,Jasmine and KellyC (of course), Online]
she was winking alll the whole show and not just a normal wink a super super horny wink like jeff come back stage to do by butt it's was great she was d**n horny.

What you say to people has a way of coming back and going to Admin of sites. The sites will always take the steps to protect its underage users before your feelings. Which I do recall Alan saying was a preemptive strike.

You were the one who put the 60 dollars out there to be apart of the fan club. They never extorted it from you or stole it from you. You used your own free will, along with your fingers to type in your credit card information. They did not trick you into doing so. There in lies the fact they did not steal from you.

Also. You say that they were using slander against you. How? By rightfully telling their members why another member was banned? Alan provided proof of the allegations against you. He's the one standing there with all the documented proof that you were in the wrong. Where is yours?

You say you're the victim here. What about those you hurt? Like my friend for example. You talked sexually to her and she is a minor. She is a victim. I am a victim of yours for sexual harassment. KCKV, the fan club and especially Alan are victims of your slander and harassment.

You're the one posting slander about Alan and the fan club as well as KCKV. You're pointing your fingers... Just not at the right person... Yourself.


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Jeff never gives up...
I've heard all there is about you. Everything. I've been on the outside looking in and the inside looking out. I know how you operate and how you treat others. I've dealt with you before I became a manager at KCKV and during. I've talked to you on MSN messenger on multiple occasions. And for the purpose of what i have to say to you and about you, I wish to remain anonymous.

You stated above that you've never talked sexually with a person under the legal age of 18. I know that for a fact to be untrue. The person who you talked sexually with is a close friend of mine and I was there in the room when you said what you said. You talked about the sexual things you'd like to do with her. For example, how you said how you wanted to use all sorts of vegetables and toys in her vagina and all the possibilities of toys in her butt... In extreme detail... That chat was shown to other people and will back us up on the statement that you DO in fact talk sexually minors.

On the occasions that you and i have talked, you've asked me repeatedly to show you 'booty pics' which I always refused to show you. You have asked me to leave who I was dating to date you. Which I always refused. You asked me if I would have sexual intercourse with you. Which. Of course. I would always. Refuse. I also do recall MSN names such as '[-Jeff-DL is way better then sex! Did Ariel, Belle,Jasmine and KellyC (of course)'.

You have talked sexually to me and friends.. You've talked about sex to me and friends. You've talked sexually about Kelly Clarkson with me and friends..

And I quote from saved chat:

'11.08.2006 22:10:33 [-Jeff-DL is way better then sex! Did Ariel, Belle,Jasmine and KellyC (of course), Online]
she was winking alll the whole show and not just a normal wink a super super horny wink like jeff come back stage to do by butt it's was great she was d**n horny.

What you say to people has a way of coming back and going to Admin of sites. The sites will always take the steps to protect its underage users before your feelings. Which I do recall Alan saying was a preemptive strike.

You were the one who put the 60 dollars out there to be apart of the fan club. They never extorted it from you or stole it from you. You used your own free will, along with your fingers to type in your credit card information. They did not trick you into doing so. There in lies the fact they did not steal from you.

Also. You say that they were using slander against you. How? By rightfully telling their members why another member was banned? Alan provided proof of the allegations against you. He's the one standing there with all the documented proof that you were in the wrong. Where is yours?

You say you're the victim here. What about those you hurt? Like my friend for example. You talked sexually to her and she is a minor. She is a victim. I am a victim of yours for sexual harassment. KCKV, the fan club and especially Alan are victims of your slander and harassment.

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just give it up jeff.
seriously. just give up. why's it worth all this energy when you have zero proof!

you're not going to get on. period.

you're not getting your money back. period.

just give up and go on with your life. or give us proof of all the allegations against you.

and i'm kinda pissed you didn't comment what i had to say.

Good enough until u lead to another set of questions and avoid mine.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING
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#179 Author of original report

No one else knew about your Donald Duck obsession except me and you, which proves you are the hacker.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Saved Chats and E mails are easily faked and I know you guys would stoop to such low levels that you would do that, so no, they don't count. Whatever you posted doesn't mean a thing.

You are even continuing your torment towards me with every comment. People can see that you are trying to make me upset with you talk about Kelly, and also about Donald Duck. I don't know what sick obsession you have with Donald Duck, but like I told everyone you hacked me and stalked me around websites, and you know you did it, and you should just admit that to everyone.

If you have no problem taking the blame of hacking my my space then that is proof enough that you did it.

Well ya you and Alan are so Similar in the way you type and act I found it so hard to distinguish between the 2 of you. I thought you were both very sick and scary people. And I thought you both put me down in the same ways, so it was hard to know if you were different people or the same person going by two names. I still don't know for sure if you are 2 different people or if you are Alan logging in as Art.

No idea about the anonymous comment. I'd gladly respond however.

I certainly hope that no one would ever get hurt by what I said. I don't think anyone would. I think it was me that you guys were trying to hurt in the beginning. If anyone was hurt it was me. You and Alan don't care about me or anyone.

What does Kelly liking Donald Duck have to do with anything.

I don't hate Donald Duck... this is really ridiculous.

I am just showing people that you are clearly obsessed with Donald Duck and no, word does not spread, when you talked to me about your fondness for Donald Duck that was a private conversation in which no one would have ever found out about.

Plus you admitted to the hacking , which is illegal.

So there you have it folks. New proof, from Art himself about what happened.

Also Art, I don't think you are really how old you say you are.

Not sure about Alan as well because I don't think people over 40 would do something like this to another person. Usually people over 40 are over the teasing and bullying stage but it's clear in your posts here that you are not.
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AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

You said my 2nd attempt (which was meant as a 2nd attempt to make that particular posting) was sorry. At the moment others are not able to agree or disagree since a link isnt showing. I can post it elsewhere if needed

If you call saved chats nothing of proof of how you talked then you have no proof of any kind, as saved chats and email dont count. Your word against another person is a never ending battle so in this case you totally lose. What is proof? Word of other people doesnt count, things in writing dont count, pictures (of the chat) dont count. What does it take for proof

In ways I should take it as a compliment that you think I hacked your myspace and/or email. If you want to think it was me go for it, if you want to believe it or not it wasnt but I have no problem taking the blame. Of all people you should know word travels, if I was the only one you mentioned donald duck to still think and know word just needs to be told to one person and it travels quick. If I recall right you initially blamed someone named alan for hacking your site then when he told you that you better have proof, since you dont you retracted and made it me instead. At one point you even had me and alan merged as one person.

In regards to anonymus I was reading most of the postings again and that person made a comment you were disappointed you did not reply to his/her comment, you can read them.

You can call me (and alan) an a**, liar, etc and I can give you the same comment we are on the defense side of others. Tell me what works as proof and see if there is anything that can be come up with to prove you wrong, and lets see if the thing you suggest is provided and go from there. If you refuse this idea it is all because of fear someone will come up with it.

I would also like to inform you that you have offended and hurt a person with a posting you made early on in this report. I will let the person speak out though, as this person told me tears were close after reading your posting. Only worried about yourself again

Finally just keep in mind DONALD DUCK ROCKS (I am sure kelly loves him too)
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#181 Author of original report

Merry Chistmas Art and Alan, may the season bring your hearts joy and may you see what truly happened.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Art,

I have never heard of immature old people, but you and Alan seem to fit right into that category.

No it's not ok to have sex with kids. Whatever you and Alan do behind the scenes of your "websites" I have no idea. And I don't want to know. I have some suspicions about you and Alan.

Chat contacts? You MADE me talk to those girls. You brought them into the conversation many times and told me to talk to them sexually. You said I SHOULD do that and you WANTED me to do that. You said your these girls loved me. You kept telling me to say dirty things with them. I didn't talk dirty to them but you kept trying to get me too. And you kept telling me to have sex with watermelons too. Why don't you post all of that info when you were telling me that...too scared to post the truth about what you did?

Ya happy holidays to you and Alan.

I hope you have a great holiday and hopefully this season you can kind some love in your hearts for me and we can try to get along. Christmas does bring miracles.

I hope we can get one here.
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#182 Author of original report

Merry Chistmas Art and Alan, may the season bring your hearts joy and may you see what truly happened.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Art,

I have never heard of immature old people, but you and Alan seem to fit right into that category.

No it's not ok to have sex with kids. Whatever you and Alan do behind the scenes of your "websites" I have no idea. And I don't want to know. I have some suspicions about you and Alan.

Chat contacts? You MADE me talk to those girls. You brought them into the conversation many times and told me to talk to them sexually. You said I SHOULD do that and you WANTED me to do that. You said your these girls loved me. You kept telling me to say dirty things with them. I didn't talk dirty to them but you kept trying to get me too. And you kept telling me to have sex with watermelons too. Why don't you post all of that info when you were telling me that...too scared to post the truth about what you did?

Ya happy holidays to you and Alan.

I hope you have a great holiday and hopefully this season you can kind some love in your hearts for me and we can try to get along. Christmas does bring miracles.

I hope we can get one here.
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#183 Author of original report

Merry Chistmas Art and Alan, may the season bring your hearts joy and may you see what truly happened.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Art,

I have never heard of immature old people, but you and Alan seem to fit right into that category.

No it's not ok to have sex with kids. Whatever you and Alan do behind the scenes of your "websites" I have no idea. And I don't want to know. I have some suspicions about you and Alan.

Chat contacts? You MADE me talk to those girls. You brought them into the conversation many times and told me to talk to them sexually. You said I SHOULD do that and you WANTED me to do that. You said your these girls loved me. You kept telling me to say dirty things with them. I didn't talk dirty to them but you kept trying to get me too. And you kept telling me to have sex with watermelons too. Why don't you post all of that info when you were telling me that...too scared to post the truth about what you did?

Ya happy holidays to you and Alan.

I hope you have a great holiday and hopefully this season you can kind some love in your hearts for me and we can try to get along. Christmas does bring miracles.

I hope we can get one here.
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#184 Author of original report

Merry Chistmas Art and Alan, may the season bring your hearts joy and may you see what truly happened.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Art,

I have never heard of immature old people, but you and Alan seem to fit right into that category.

No it's not ok to have sex with kids. Whatever you and Alan do behind the scenes of your "websites" I have no idea. And I don't want to know. I have some suspicions about you and Alan.

Chat contacts? You MADE me talk to those girls. You brought them into the conversation many times and told me to talk to them sexually. You said I SHOULD do that and you WANTED me to do that. You said your these girls loved me. You kept telling me to say dirty things with them. I didn't talk dirty to them but you kept trying to get me too. And you kept telling me to have sex with watermelons too. Why don't you post all of that info when you were telling me that...too scared to post the truth about what you did?

Ya happy holidays to you and Alan.

I hope you have a great holiday and hopefully this season you can kind some love in your hearts for me and we can try to get along. Christmas does bring miracles.

I hope we can get one here.
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#185 Author of original report

Your 2nd attempt was a sorry excuse

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Art,

ya we were friends.

and ya you are just trying to get a reaction out of me.

1) who is annoymous? I was not aware I avoided her.

2) the proof was in the pudding basically, from what you guys have said, to what happened to other people.

3) I don't need anyone's support.

4) Well I guess we are all brainwashed then ( but honestly that's my friend who actually knows me, if you guys did you wouldn't be going on about this, I am a very different person, that comes across different online then I do in person. I am not confrontational in person at all, but on here I feel the need to defend myself.

5) Ya, it's a grammar site if you ask me, if you were the least bit serious about what you were posting you could at least spell check. I don't even spell check and I don't have as bad of grammar as the both of you. Which is why you seem like kids doing the writing.

6) Suzanne rocks. Ya sure, maybe it's a love connection!

7) Ya, but can you at least admit to hacking mine? Only one person in the world talked to me about Donald Duck and that was YOU!

8) Well bugging a persons MSN is downright low, nasty and dirty. So you have that going against you now too.

Anyhow no I have a good memory of what happened. None of which is what you claim. I never did have a sexy talk with under 18 people.

And your not allowed to post that link.

Jeff
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AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

jeff

I guess since I didnt directly explain to you in the note above. their is a prupose to the potsing above and that is it proves you DO talk SEX to younger. You admit it in the chat saying it is ok to talk it and dream for the future. This saying how you feel about talking sex with the kids shows alan (my boss that has brainwashed me) NOT, I have my own eyes and mind and chats, did have reason to ban you from kellyville and any other site (if any of them) he works with. What you do at one place you probably did at others so same sex talk on other sites. No clue where you got all your chat contacts. This being just one more of example of your lying and and wanting sympathy you dont deserve and dont seem to be getting. Maybe u will have more support next year. Dont go commenting my posting above has nothing to do with this topic/complaint

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AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

Well since I put so much time in to this one and obviously had something not go through I decided to try posting it again. This should have shown before jeffs last reply to my previous posting. Due to jeffs last posting it has added a few other comments to my list.

1) I like how he never replied to annonymous even after he/she made a remark in their posting. this person must know something and jeff is avoiding it

2) all examples he has used as proof so far are "similar" things that happened to OTHER people

3) notice anything he HAD for support has disappeared and it has been over a month since anyone took your side and gave you support

4) that support came from his "friend" jester. is jester real? he must have brainwashed jester like alan has brainwashed me

5) with all the comments he tries to use as his defense being misspelled wurds he should notice he has his share two. not to mention some of us dont have hours to proof read as well, if this is a grammar site let me know and I will proof read all postings

6) jeff and suzanne seem perfect for each other and maybe he can finally have a wife

7) commenting about my space, I dont have a my space

8) if talking about spelling in the images posted of the chats those are chats we had on msn and there are typos and abbreviations etc plenty of which he has too.

but back to the part that jeff claims to have never talked sex to young girls under 18 I think he basically did in this chat. yes jeff this is just used as an example to prove you have crap for a memory or once again u seem to be telling lies

(((link redacted)))

that is the link that has the images of the chat posted

Jeff have a great weekend, remember the days of the past like shown in the chat

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AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

Well since I put so much time in to this one and obviously had something not go through I decided to try posting it again. This should have shown before jeffs last reply to my previous posting. Due to jeffs last posting it has added a few other comments to my list.

1) I like how he never replied to annonymous even after he/she made a remark in their posting. this person must know something and jeff is avoiding it

2) all examples he has used as proof so far are "similar" things that happened to OTHER people

3) notice anything he HAD for support has disappeared and it has been over a month since anyone took your side and gave you support

4) that support came from his "friend" jester. is jester real? he must have brainwashed jester like alan has brainwashed me

5) with all the comments he tries to use as his defense being misspelled wurds he should notice he has his share two. not to mention some of us dont have hours to proof read as well, if this is a grammar site let me know and I will proof read all postings

6) jeff and suzanne seem perfect for each other and maybe he can finally have a wife

7) commenting about my space, I dont have a my space

8) if talking about spelling in the images posted of the chats those are chats we had on msn and there are typos and abbreviations etc plenty of which he has too.

but back to the part that jeff claims to have never talked sex to young girls under 18 I think he basically did in this chat. yes jeff this is just used as an example to prove you have crap for a memory or once again u seem to be telling lies

(((link redacted)))

that is the link that has the images of the chat posted

Jeff have a great weekend, remember the days of the past like shown in the chat

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AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

Well since I put so much time in to this one and obviously had something not go through I decided to try posting it again. This should have shown before jeffs last reply to my previous posting. Due to jeffs last posting it has added a few other comments to my list.

1) I like how he never replied to annonymous even after he/she made a remark in their posting. this person must know something and jeff is avoiding it

2) all examples he has used as proof so far are "similar" things that happened to OTHER people

3) notice anything he HAD for support has disappeared and it has been over a month since anyone took your side and gave you support

4) that support came from his "friend" jester. is jester real? he must have brainwashed jester like alan has brainwashed me

5) with all the comments he tries to use as his defense being misspelled wurds he should notice he has his share two. not to mention some of us dont have hours to proof read as well, if this is a grammar site let me know and I will proof read all postings

6) jeff and suzanne seem perfect for each other and maybe he can finally have a wife

7) commenting about my space, I dont have a my space

8) if talking about spelling in the images posted of the chats those are chats we had on msn and there are typos and abbreviations etc plenty of which he has too.

but back to the part that jeff claims to have never talked sex to young girls under 18 I think he basically did in this chat. yes jeff this is just used as an example to prove you have crap for a memory or once again u seem to be telling lies

(((link redacted)))

that is the link that has the images of the chat posted

Jeff have a great weekend, remember the days of the past like shown in the chat

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#190 Author of original report

Please stop the nonesense Art.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Art I am having trouble believing that you and Alan are not both kids.
You can't type, or make and logical sense.

Plus what kind of adult puts others down?

1) Art you told me you were a kid, I thought you were a kid ( or youth ) You do hack people yes or no? You do have some connection to Alan. yes or no?

2) Well I don't know what Alan is teaching you Art, but maybe it's not a good thing to be worshiping him. Your obsession with Alan has gone way to far if you are believing everything he says and are following his every word.

3) Honestly your sarcastic "kindness" doesn't sit well with me.

4) 99% of all guys have watched porn. Even you and Alan, so give up the "we are saints" act. I know you both have done a lot of stuff that most people would not like to know about, but I won't list those things. (anymore)

5) Art, give it a rest. Even I, yes I, am getting sick of typing stuff out to you.

6) I still don't get why you and Alan type like kindergarten kids.

7) If your just looking for a reaction from me I think that's pretty immature.
This site isn't about looking for reactions. It is about me telling people what happened.

Actually my "so-called" friends agreed to drive me to the Kelly show and I got them tickets to the show as well, but last minute they decided to go with someone else, and I got screwed again, like you guys screwed me, I don't have the best luck sometimes. Thanks for reading my blogs on My Space.

Anyhow thanks for posting about Kelly's booty. I know you just want me to talk about it so that I look perverted or something , even though you started talking about it in the first place. I am sure it was great. Thanks for "pleasing" me. You are too kind. Again I never even noticed Kelly's
booty EVER until all the fans were talking about it ( as was Kelly herself)

I am glad you kept it short, but next time keep it shorter and don't bother wasting good cyber-space on your nonsense.
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AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

I will keep this one short with a few points

1) I am no kid that "worked" for alan, as a matter of fact I am older then Alan

2) If you are trying to claim that chat was all written by me you are fighting an uphill battle as I have to admit I am not an author that could write a story like that

3) I have multiple meaning over 50 chats from you so if u want all of them posted let me know, the print screen command takes forever but I will do it just for u as I am a kind person like u claim to be and alan taught me to be that way even towards ppl like u

4) It shows u as a liar that u claim to have never done anything with porn, that chat has u admitting you bought it but were afraid grandma would catch u

5) As much as u live on the internet you should know that everything posted by a person anywhere is public record and can be found if u know how to run a search as more will show on u every time and nothing is better then your own words against yourself

6) I will gladly ask others that were directly harrassed by you to post and let everyone see it is not just me and alan, but just know none of us can compete with alan and what he has against u

I cant wait to see your reaction to the other posting I made and didnt show before you replied

btw, sorry u had to waster ur kelly tix since u couldnt bribe anyone to go with you even by buying their ticket, that in itself shows nobody is comfortable being around you, as I have to say it was an amazing show that I went to with 3 FRIENDS about 10 days ago and just to please you I will tell you she still has a booty that u have always been so obsessed wtih
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#192 Author of original report

Art you are a lier. You are just a kid that Alan employed

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

First of all I just want to say that I don't lie.

I don't know how I am supposed to address a kid working for an adult.

No I seriously don't have anything to do with sex or porn, what does that have to do with this?

What about this shows I am lying?

You hacked me and you stalked me around websites but like I said to Alan I think we should move on. Me and Alan want to move on. I think what Alan was suggesting what that he would remove those comments and links and everything if I didn't bother him , which I haven't for the longest time.

Like I said to Alan I never wanted to bother anyone, and why did you have to msn me for over a year. You tried to get information on me secretly and never did. I am not sure if that is what Alan was trying to get you to do or if you decided to do it for yourself but I know you and Alan are linked in this situation.

I just want it to stop.

I never was your friend.

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#193 Author of original report

Any "Mroe" What? Why can you not spell? You are supposted to be an adult?

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Alan first of all, there was a lot of members of that site from the letter I posted that were over 18. A lot of the people were 18, 19, 20 and some over that. So don't think it was some bad thing. And that letter I wrote that you posted is actually very sweet and kind, just like I am. There is nothing sexual or crazy in it as you claim.

I didn't turn anything around I just thought that it was crazy the kinds of site you were making and the kinds of people you were hanging around with. Art, for what I know, is a kid, and I strongly feel that you got him to stalk me and harass me, all of the facts are there from him always asking me about Donald Duck to having the hacker on my space put up Donald Duck wallpaper when they hacked my site.

I am not a danger to anyone. Please dont turn around the proof I have given that shows what you are like.

Slander and deformation of character is what you did, because what you posted on the sites are lies. I never did any of that stuff that you said I did. That is why I am calling it slander and deformation of character because #1 I would never do it, and #2 I didn't do it. I don't like lies about me posted online or anywhere else for that matter. I wish you could get rid of them.

I never said I wanted to make a case of it per se, I just wanted you to know how I feel about it and that I feel you took everything out of context... everything... no I don't like young girls, no I don't talk to them, no I never said the things you said I said on the fan club. I just feel I got messed over for no reason, that's all I want to say.

Also you don't have to make disgusting comments about how long I have been in school.. how is that your business?

Yes I very much would like that info removed please. I have only wanted to be a good Kelly fan, and I actually never did want to get into any trouble with you. From the beginning I tried to work things out, and I tried to do it calmly and carefully, and I also attempted to be your friend, and to care for you, I really tried to care for the situation, and I have only wanted to make it better.

Just to clarify, I never wanted to be more then friends with anyone on any of the websites I went on, that was something you guys thought up, and I really was misunderstood in that way.

I don't want to deal with it anymore, just because I need to move on, and I wanted to prove to you that I didn't do what you thought I did... but if I can't make you feel differently about what happened, I'd like to just let it go, and I really do not want it to go on further ( as you can see I am not writing any more about what you did )

I'd really like it if you wouldn't stalk out my websites ( as well ) just because I wanted the sites to be for regular people and not for someone trying to find flaws in me. I don't need people doing that.

Alan I haven't even seen your my space, yet you are almost always on mine! I want mine to be left alone too!

I'd like to end it here, I see Art has written more nonsense, but i'd like to drop the issue, I don't want things like that said about me, or have them up making things worse for all of us.

Jeff
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AUTHOR: Art - (U.S.A.)

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unfortunately things have been chaos and I have not had a chance to reply for almost a month. I had to pull my system backup files to find our saved chats and once again show more lies about you. I think most ppl reading this topic have figured out to believe others such as me and alan and know you are the one full of it. If you read above you claim you have nothing to do with porn/sex etc.

One line I will tell ppl to notice in the chat is where u said u "did" kelly (clarkson) and carrie (underwood) but not mariah (carey) like ur heading once read. Just to show it is an actual chat I have used the print screen function to save the chat as pictures. Maybe you will remember this one after reading it about how you got a porn dvd but had to be careful so mom and grandma wouldnt see you watching it and you might need to watch it on your computer as stated in the image DVD3.

You probably need to click on full size to make the image readable but go for it and I request that all others posting in this report read it as well. I have an even worse chat to be posted a little later (as some of us work (unlike u) and dont have hrs of free time every day like u do)

http://s227.photobucket.com/albums/dd24/jeffstacky/DVD/?action=viewt=JeffDVD.jpg

http://s227.photobucket.com/albums/dd24/jeffstacky/DVD/?action=viewt=JeffDVD2.jpg

http://s227.photobucket.com/albums/dd24/jeffstacky/DVD/?action=viewt=JeffDVD3.jpg

http://s227.photobucket.com/albums/dd24/jeffstacky/DVD/?action=viewt=JeffDVD4.jpg

http://s227.photobucket.com/albums/dd24/jeffstacky/DVD/?action=viewt=JeffDVD5.jpg

http://s227.photobucket.com/albums/dd24/jeffstacky/DVD/?action=viewt=JeffDVD6.jpg

so that is one chat that is just a mild example if a person would rather look at the pages and not need to click on each link from this posting

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that will show all 6 images but u need to start with the lower right corner and work your way backwards to see the pages in order as photobucket posted them newest to oldest

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This shows everything jeff said is total bs and the next one 10 times over and probably shows his comments about me are the lies and him as a liar
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any mroe jeff?

AUTHOR: Alan - (U.S.A.)

so Jeff... post on any other TEEN sites asking for help in getting women?? or was this the only one (I doubt it) back in 2004... http://www.golivewire.com/forums/peer-byoon-support-a.html

i'll copy your post from there.. in case it gets lost at some time..

Hey guys and gals I need your help.
I don't like school and I don't really know how to talk to people expecialy girls. I am really shy and I am having a hard time with mostly everything.

I have been single all my life and I am actually good looking , but can't seem to say anything to girls I like.

It's really hard to be this way and I am hoping you can help.

Thanks a lot

From Jeff


and that's on a TEEN SITE, in 2004, you were long past being a teen.

you have the nerve to rant about be designing a teen site for people, when it' smy job to design websites.. but you do stuff liek that, then deny it, and try to turn it all around on everyone else.
What are you going to do when your newest Kelly Fan Club account is banned? whine and moan about being banned again when they never unbanned your other account? If they wanted you back on there, they would have unbanned it, but you'll do what you can to sneak back on, the whine when you get caught.

you're a danger to society, your rants on here alone prove that, they contradict everything you post yourself. You even contradict your own posts on here. You can't get your own stories to match up.

I've never slandered you, I've showed actual posts and messages you did yourself, that is not slander, that is not deformation of charactor, that is all facts, after you throw my name into all of your little rants. The dates themselves hold up to the fact that you started the whole thing, and my posting was a rebutle, and completely legal, stating the proper facts and referances for everyone to see themselves.

If you really want to make a case of it, be my guest.. My lawyer has it all on file, does yours? While your at it, be prepaired for the countersuit you can't win, featuring all the proof of your rants with my name, and false facts, alligations and deformatory remarks predating my rebutles which have your own actual postings as referance to my claims.

For someone who's been in colelge all this time (how many years is it now?) you should be a little smarter about the things you say and do, and be more aware of the results that will accure from them.

If I were you, I'd refrain from all your claims of 'exclusive' and 'official' Kelly anything, because none of it is, and your certainly not. You have no affiliation with Kelly, her management, her label, or her personal associates. That is a dangerous game your playing there for someone your age. Take it from someone who is affiliated.. you don't want to keep going there.

You'll want to refrain from your accusations towards the 'kids' I talk to on the sites I own as well, since I talk to their parents, and have written approval for them to be on the sites, and those who are moderators, have written permission to be moderators. My sites are al 100% Coppa compliant underUS federal and local state laws, which is another reason you are not permitted on them after the complaints and messages saved from you to many of the kids on the sites. Your an insurance risk as well, especially on the fan club (yes, insurance, the fan club is insured and so are my sites as part of a business).

If you can't understand any of it, that's your problem, t can't be made any clearer to you. You can continue to deny everything all you want, I'll continue to leave all the screenshots, links, and personal stories from those you've bothered for the world to see until you get it through your head, move on with your life, and stop your nonsense. If you want all that info removed, then dissappear, never come near any of my sites, my myspace, any myspace of my friends or staff, stop annoying the fan club, and stop getting into sexual or romantic conversations with young girls. if you want help with your romantic life, go to a professional psycologist, not a teen site, or fan site.
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Give it a rest Alan. Every post you make stresses the fact you are a cyber-stalker, Cyber-bully, hacker and sociopath.The proof is in the pudding.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Hey Alan,

First I am not at all stupid, you are by saying you wont write me back, yet you continue too. My above average intelligence has been proven at a University with over 10,000 students and I was one of the smartest in both of my graduating classes two years in a row, you just dont know the facts and assume things, as you do almost all the time.

People are sometimes hard to deal with. I cant really stop you from responding, even if I say to stop you will keep it up, why?

I want to give it a rest already but I dont want you to be putting me down at the same time. I am not going to sit here and have you make up lies. I just cant stand for it.

I remember us talking a fair bit, I dont know if you think it was a lot, but it was 20 or 30 times talking. Which I thought was a lot.

I am not on any drugs but I think you might be on crack-cocaine.

Actually if you stop and think about what I said about R Kelly, trust me this will make a great deal of sense. Let me explain it again. Ok so you may be a guy that hates R Kelly, ok, obviously, so, I also think what he did was terrible, yet he tours all over, yet has a sex tape with kids 14 . So why are you thinking all insane over a mistake I was framed for yet you dont seem to have much of a problem with an adult having sex with a 14 year old. In my opinion, what R.Kelly did was a crime and was disgusting, and if you hate me, why would you not being going all crazy over what he did? I was accused and framed and I still feel you had a lot to do with that part of the situation.

Also I want to again say that this is NOT a message board, or thread, and that this is a serious rip off report. I dont want you turning this into some three ringed circus. This is my way of telling the world what you did; you come back with lies and your nonsense.

Alan, just listen about the Pinky situation. He said I was allowed back on in one year, and in my opinion you are wrong. I am certain I did not bother Pinky for one year. This is the part you are missing. I left him alone for the year, but when the year was up I started to try and find him. I couldnt find him anywhere. I searched and tried everything to find him. I asked you and asked the fan club and he was no where in sight. You see I waited, but after the year was up you thought I didnt wait the year and Pinky was gone so I got really frustrated.

That was a long year and it was hard to wait, seeing that I couldnt see the reasoning behind this ban. So I was really frustrated. I just couldnt see how Pinky would disappear, and I couldnt see how you could see I didnt wait the year out. I will never be able to understand you or Pinky or Morgan for what you have all done to me.

You seem to have a complex, like you cant admit to your wrongdoings. You claim I didnt wait the year. I cared so much about being on the fanclub that I wanted everything to run smooth , but after the year, I did try to write, but I couldnt find Pinky, he was long gone, It was sad. I never really got over that sadness. I am still trying. Those are the facts.
No seriously if girls are saying they are OVER 18, then you kind of have to believe them. If someone says they are 40 and they are 14, how the heck would I be able to know that? Its just not possible to know this online. Right? You must understand that?? How is it possible to be at fault if someone is assuring you they are OVER 18?

No the numbers and letters I had nothing to do with, and it was NOT Kelly, not a bit. If you have that picture anyone can see it was not Kelly. It might have said something like Kelly is Great under it but that didnt have anything to do with that picture, or with those characters. Like I said those were letters and numbers and I have no way of controlling what you saw or didnt see in them. I have seen a lot worse things on myspace then some letters.

Well look at that so-called stalking screen shot you got after you stalked me for a few years, that is proof! And then show me this screen shot and see what it said if you are so certain I can guarantee that was not Kelly and did not say it was Kelly. I found that on someone else my space, I am sure it is still up on theres, its just that everything I do you guys hate. Other people can do or say whatever they want, but because you guys are stalking me I get all the bad luck.

Art HAD to have hacked my my space. I am 100% sure it was him, because he ALWAYS used to talk about Donald Duck and sexual things about Donald Duck it was pretty constant. He would say it about once per chat. We talked for about a year and was really obsessed with talking about Donald Duck so who would know that he talked to me about Donald Duck? ONLY HE could have known we talked about it. ONLY HE could have done the hacking. Cant you see what he did? Cant you see what you did to me? By the way Art is really good with computers, I am sure he can USE myspace. Thats absurd you think I would believe Art cant use my space anyone could use myspace.

Well myspace and me had found a few people trying to hack me, Art and maybe a few of his friends were the ones doing it. We had a few investigations going on with myspace and hotmail, they were trying to find the person responsible for the crimes but I never found the perpetrator. It was defiantly you, or art or both of you, or someone from one of your websites, that is without any doubt.

You can get all the screen shots you want of my my space but that just proves your stalking tendencies.

Can I ask you a question? Why can you not spell if you are indeed an adult? It doesnt make sense and your messages just seem more childlike and more ridiculous. Do you get a child to write for you? This just seems more and more crazy I dont think anyone can trust what you are saying.
No seriously I have been hacked and stalked a lot, and I know you and Art have a lot of computer knowledge and I would appreciate it if you could please leave me alone from now on.

What is an MO?

Ya, what happened on facebook was that I had some of those stalkers in my hotmail and when you join facebook you send a message to all of your friend, or hotmail contacts and I guess some of those crazed stalkers were in my contacts. Unfortunately. For all I know it was you. I think you have done most of the bannings, like you say its FUNNY and thats just really sick and perverted.

Well ya, I agree to the terms and know the terms of the sites but I am following all directions and orders of every term and still you guys are trying to ban me and I truly dont like it and I truly find it not very nice at all.

I said you could have a meet and greet with me, gosh actually read the writing, dont just make things up. You have been making things up for years. Please just read what I have to say and comment on the words I am saying not on something you are thinking inside of yourself.

Well thats good for Kelly that I am getting more people to her sites. I wouldnt do it for you, but I am glad more people get to check out the Kelly sites and enjoy her music. That is a good thing.

Well I have never lied in any of my statements on here, the difference between you and me is that I am truthful and you always make up lies. I dont find anything remotely funny about what I am saying here. Its not a joking matter.

Well you dont even care about someone that might cry themselves to sleep, you have no idea how I feel, and you cant comprehend anything I am saying to you. You dont have the heart to care. Thats the only problem.

Well maybe I can sell the rights to this situation and make it into a sit-com and maybe I can write it for some major networks and then be rich and famous! I certainly have been through the situation enough to know what happened and I can share all of my stories with people, all the things that happened.

Well the only reason I wanted to say anything about any of this is because I felt like crimes were committed against me, and know I was ripped off and I wanted to talk to someone and see if we could work things out somewhat anyhow if it was anyone other then you Alan things could have been worked out smoothly and fast, but I just cant help who I am dealing with here. I didnt want to come across you, but you just never know who you are dealing with on the internet.

Well I had some pretty sweet Kelly stuff on my site when it was really new. I like to keep the fans updated with Kelly news on occasion. Well Kelly didnt necessarily agree to marry me, but she certainly. Anyhow Ill blog about that, you can stalk me again, screen shot it, and then you can try to use it against me ok? How does that sound? Just keep doing the same things over and over and over! I know how you do things! Well no I never said I was married to Kelly that one is bogus. I probably said it would be awesome to marry Kelly. I know about a million guys that want to marry Kelly, she is just so amazing.

Ya I talked to Kellys friend, and she was pretty nice, and I removed the photos in question the minute I talked to her. It was all good.
Well how do you know if I am 31 or 13? I mean who is really to say, you're not the devil, you claim? So everything is backwards here.
Well you stalked me and saved my personal writings, you should not feel good about yourself for doing that!! It is evil and wrong!

That letters and numbers was only that. And again was not Kelly, you can find it again and see for yourself. Letters and Numbers are almost always allowed on any site. You claim they are not. Also most sites on the internet allow that. They person that I saved it from was allowed to have it on his My space. It probably is still up on his. Its not that it was not appropriate it was that you guys were trying to find something to make me upset, to hurt my feelings again.

Every post you make you further try to hurt my feelings and I can see your enjoyment in it. You are clearly a sociopath

Found this on the net

Sociopath: Manipulative and Conning

"They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims."

See this is what you are doing to me, trying to dominate me and humiliated me, and I am the victim here, no question about it.

I didnt ignore Kellys friend, I immediately took all of it down. I was very careful when Kellys friend said anything to me, they care about Kelly and I do too, we are both on the same page, we both totally care for her, and we both want what is best for her.

I certainly jumped to take down what she wanted down. We talked about it I said yes I would take the pics down, we talked about the booty pics and she was ok with the full body ones but not main focus ones, which I gladly took down as soon as she said anything . I was more then happy to help out.

No I never went through myspace lists. Bogus. No one said to F off thats just your imagination about me. Most people really like me a lot. I wont have one person tell me that people dont like me.

My brain is not tiny.more putdowns. Most people at University came to me for help actually.

I did leave people alone and did fix any problems anyone had. If people ask me kindly and they have a reason for wanting something changed, I always do it. But if I know someone is hacking and stalking and using hate crimes I tend to feel just a bit upset and just a bit like telling someone, which is what happened here.

Ok dont discuss anything but I know you know in your heart what you have done, and that will come back to haunt you. Your karma will have something to do with it. I dont think you will get away with it. I think God knows what you did or what the group of you collectively did to me, and I feel strongly about it. I feel strongly that I was not the one point fingers at here. I feel I was the victim.

Dont worry my friends know I am a good person and know you are lying. They wont let a person that doesnt know me say things about me. My friends know me, and they know how I am in person, this all makes perfect sense to all of them, you just have to know me, you guys do not understand some of the basics, which I tried to explain but you skipped over because you dont want to hear the truth.

Its just that the most I hear you lie, the more I want to defend myself.
I think everything has been stated from both sides but if you come back with more insane lies, I will have to go through them bit by bit and just go ,sorry thats a lie, sorry thats a lie, and on and on honestly its not helping you or me.

Id really love to have it end here, I have a feeling you might say more, because you like to make fun of me.

Id like to say that if would be nice to just leave your thoughts in your head, and not say them because you know they are untruthful.
Like I said this is my report on you. The facts on you. End of story.

Every single word of what I have written has been truthful, wear as everything you have written is speculation.

None of it adds up. You are all fired up about some drawing I didnt even do that my space allowed normally. (and one that was not Kelly, which you said was)
I could go through all your lies but I would have to write countless more pages and I just wanted to address the fact that you have been making things up with every response you have made.

In most posts I tried to be understanding to you and care for you, and be your friend, but you chose to belittle me, and use a few lame postings to give you proof well I got my 13 pages, and some people on there said there was some criminal activity involved with you/pinky/morgan so thats what I was interested about looking into.

Again whatever you are thinking in your head can just stay in there, no one wants to hear more from you Alan, and you cant type, or spell, or make any sense at all .

People that hire you should have the chance to know what you have done here, and also people should not hire any 50 or so year old that types like they are in grade 3 probably not the best sign that they are going to be good for a company.

I hope no more words have to be said.

I have said enough and you have tried to make yourself look a bit more like less of a criminal by showing people you cyber bully directly on this rip off report.

I dont think your posts did anything but make you look like more of a stalker, bully, hacker and complete lunatic as I said you are. You proved all of my claims to be true about you. You admitted to stalking me around to all sites, a cyber-stalker if you will, then you publicly bullied me on the posts you made which as all documented here, then you showed that you have the computer skills and knowledge to hack me, and you have shown many signs of being a sociopath, especially with the They may dominate and humiliate their victims. line which you are openly showing everyone.

You seem to be forgetting that I am a person, with feelings, and emotions, you treat people like numbers, yet all humans are more then that. They all need to be cared for and to be understood on many levels and we are all different and may need to be understood in different ways.

Jeff
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Alan proves he cyber-stalks/ hacks/ bullies and is a sociopath. All documented in Rip Off Report.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Hey Alan

It seems that you in fact may be the "stupid" one claiming you wont write me back, yet you continue to do so.

Speaking of intelligence, My above average intelligence has been proven at a University with over 10,000 students and I was one of the smartest in both of my graduating classes two years in a row, you just dont know the facts and assume things, as you do almost all the time.

People are sometimes hard to deal with. I cant really stop you from responding, even if I say to stop you will keep it up, why?

I want to give it a rest already but I dont want you to be putting me down at the same time. I am not going to sit here and have you make up lies. I just cant stand for it.

I remember us talking a fair bit, I dont know if you think it was a lot, but it was 20 or 30 times talking. Which I thought was a lot.

I am not on any drugs but I think you might be on crack-cocaine.

Actually if you stop and think about what I said about R Kelly, trust me this will make a great deal of sense. Let me explain it again. Ok so you may be a guy that hates R Kelly, ok, obviously, so, I also think what he did was terrible, yet he tours all over, yet has a sex tape with kids 14 . So why are you thinking all insane over a mistake I was framed for yet you dont seem to have much of a problem with an adult having sex with a 14 year old.

In my opinion, what R.Kelly did was a crime and was disgusting, and if you hate me, why would you not be going all crazy over what he did? I was accused and framed and I still feel you had a lot to do with that part of the situation.

Also I want to again say that this is NOT a message board, or thread, and that this is a serious rip off report. I dont want you turning this into some three ringed circus. This is my way of telling the world what you did; you come back with lies and your nonsense.

Alan, just listen about the Pinky situation. He said I was allowed back on in one year, and in my opinion you are wrong. I am certain I did not bother Pinky for one year. This is the part you are missing. I left him alone for the year, but when the year was up I started to try and find him. I couldnt find him anywhere. I searched and tried everything to find him. I asked you and asked the fan club and he was no where in sight. You see I waited, but after the year was up you thought I didnt wait the year and Pinky was gone so I got really frustrated. That was a long year and it was hard to wait, seeing that I couldnt see the reasoning behind this ban. So I was really frustrated. I just couldnt see how Pinky would disappear, and I couldnt see how you could see I didnt wait the year out. I will never be able to understand you or Pinky or Morgan for what you have all done to me.

You seem to have a complex, like you cant admit to your wrongdoings.

You claim I didnt wait the year. I cared so much about being on the fanclub that I wanted everything to run smooth , but after the year, I did try to write, but I couldnt find Pinky, he was long gone, It was sad. I never really got over that sadness. I am still trying. Those are the facts.

No seriously if girls are saying they are OVER 18, then what is someone supposed to think?. If someone says they are 40 and they are 14, how the heck would I be able to know that? Its just not possible to know this online. Right? You must understand that?? How is it possible to be at fault if someone is assuring you they are OVER 18? IF they promise you they are over 18, which could be 24, 36, 47.

No! the numbers and letters picture I had nothing to do with, and it was NOT Kelly, not a single bit. If you have that picture anyone can see it was not Kelly. It might have said something like Kelly is Great under it but that didnt have anything to do with that picture, or with those characters. Like I said those were letters and numbers and I have no way of controlling what you saw or didnt see in them. I have seen a lot worse things on myspace then some letters.

Well look at that so-called stalking screen shot you got after you stalked me for a few years, that is proof! And then show me this screen shot and see what it said if you are so certain I can guarantee that was not Kelly and did not say it was Kelly. I found that on someone else my space, I am sure it is still up on theres, its just that everything I do you guys hate. Other people can do or say whatever they want, but because you guys are stalking me I get all the bad luck.

Art HAD to have hacked my my space. I am 100% sure it was him, because he ALWAYS used to talk about Donald Duck and sexual things about Donald Duck it was pretty constant. He would say it about once per chat. We talked for about a year and was really obsessed with talking about Donald Duck so who would know that he talked to me about Donald Duck? ONLY HE could have known we talked about it. ONLY HE could have done the hacking. Cant you see what he did? Cant you see what you did to me?

By the way Art is really good with computers, I am sure he can USE myspace. Thats absurd you think I would believe Art cant use my space; anyone could use myspace!

Well myspace and me had found a few people trying to hack me, Art and maybe a few of his friends were the ones doing it. We had a few investigations going on with myspace and hotmail, they were trying to find the person responsible for the crimes. It was defiantly you, or art or both of you, or someone from one of your websites, that is without any doubt.

You can get all the screen shots you want of my my space but that just proves your stalking tendencies.

Can I ask you a question? Why can you not spell if you are indeed an adult? It doesnt make sense and your messages just seem more childlike and more ridiculous. Do you get a child to write for you? This just seems more and more crazy I dont think anyone can trust what you are saying.

No seriously I have been hacked and stalked a lot, and I know you and Art have a lot of computer knowledge and I would appreciate it if you could please leave me alone from now on.

What is an MO?

Ya, what happened on facebook was that I had some of those stalkers in my hotmail and when you join facebook you send a message to all of your friends, or hotmail contacts and I guess some of those crazed stalkers were in my contacts. Unfortunately. For all I know it was you. I think you have done most of the bannings, like you say its FUNNY and thats just really sick and perverted.

Well ya, I agree to the terms and know the terms of the sites but I am following all directions and orders of every term and still you guys are trying to ban me and I truly dont like it and I truly find it not very nice at all.

I said you could have a meet and greet with me, gosh actually read the writing, dont just make things up. You have been making things up for years. Please just read what I have to say and comment on the words I am saying not on something you are thinking inside of yourself.

Well thats good for Kelly that I am getting more people to her sites. I wouldnt do it for you, but I am glad more people get to check out the Kelly sites and enjoy her music. That is a good thing.

Well I have never lied in any of my statements on here, the difference between you and me is that I am truthful and you always make up lies. I dont find anything remotely funny about what I am saying here. Its not a joking matter.

Well you dont even care about someone that might cry themselves to sleep, you have no idea how I feel, and you cant comprehend anything I am saying to you. You dont have the heart to care. Thats the only problem.

Well maybe I can sell the rights to this situation and make it into a sit-com and maybe I can write it for some major networks and then be rich and famous! I certainly have been through the situation enough to know what happened and I can share all of my stories with people, all the things that happened.

Well the only reason I wanted to say anything about any of this is because I felt like crimes were committed against me, and know I was ripped off and I wanted to talk to someone and see if we could work things out somewhat anyhow if it was anyone other then you Alan things could have been worked out smoothly and fast, but I just cant help who I am dealing with here. I didnt want to come across you, but you just never know who you are dealing with on the internet.

Well I had some pretty sweet Kelly stuff on my site when it was really new. I like to keep the fans updated with Kelly news on occasion. Well Kelly didnt necessarily agree to marry me, but she certainly. Anyhow Ill blog about that, you can stalk me again, screen shot it, and then you can try to use it against me ok? How does that sound? Just keep doing the same things over and over and over! I know how you do things! Well no I never said I was married to Kelly that one is bogus. I probably said it would be awesome to marry Kelly. I know about a million guys that want to marry Kelly, she is just so amazing.

Ya I talked to Kellys friend, and she was pretty nice, and I removed the photos in question the minute I talked to her. It was all good.
Well how do you know if I am 31 or 13? I mean who is really to say, youre not the devil, you claim? So everything is backwards here.
Well you stalked me and saved my personal writings, you should not feel good about yourself for doing that!! It is evil and wrong!

That letters and numbers was only that. And again was not Kelly, you can find it again and see for yourself. Letters and Numbers are almost always allowed on any site. You claim they are not. Also most sites on the internet allow that. They person that I saved it from was allowed to have it on his My space. It probably is still up on his. Its not that it was not appropriate it was that you guys were trying to find something to make me upset, to hurt my feelings again.

Every post you make you further try to hurt my feelings and I can see your enjoyment in it. You are clearly a sociopath

Found this on the net

Sociopath: Manipulative and Conning

They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

See this is what you are doing to me, trying to dominate me and humiliated me, and I am the victim here, no question about it.

I didnt ignore Kellys friend, I immediately took all of it down. I was very careful when Kellys friend said anything to me, they care about Kelly and I do too, we are both on the same page, we both totally care for her, and we both want what is best for her.

I certainly jumped to take down what she wanted down. We talked about it I said yes I would take the pics down, we talked about the booty pics and she was ok with the full body ones but not main focus ones, which I gladly took down as soon as she said anything . I was more then happy to help out.

No I never went through myspace lists. Bogus. No one said to F off thats just your imagination about me. Most people really like me a lot. I wont have one person tell me that people dont like me.

My brain is not tiny. more putdowns. Most people at University came to me for help actually.

I did leave people alone and did fix any problems anyone had. If people ask me kindly and they have a reason for wanting something changed, I always do it. But if I know someone is hacking and stalking and using hate crimes I tend to feel just a bit upset and just a bit like telling someone, which is what happened here.

Ok dont discuss anything but I know you know in your heart what you have done, and that will come back to haunt you. Your karma will have something to do with it. I dont think you will get away with it. I think God knows what you did or what the group of you collectively did to me, and I feel strongly about it. I feel strongly that I was not the one point fingers at here. I feel I was the victim.

Dont worry my friends know I am a good person and know you are lying. They wont let a person that doesnt know me say things about me. My friends know me, and they know how I am in person, this all makes perfect sense to all of them, you just have to know me, you guys do not understand some of the basics, which I tried to explain but you skipped over because you dont want to hear the truth.

Its just that the most I hear you lie, the more I want to defend myself.
I think everything has been stated from both sides but if you come back with more insane lies, I will have to go through them bit by bit and just go ,sorry thats a lie, sorry thats a lie, and on and on honestly its not helping you or me.

Id really love to have it end here, I have a feeling you might say more, because you like to make fun of me.

Id like to say that if would be nice to just leave your thoughts in your head, and not say them because you know they are untruthful.
Like I said this is my report on you. The facts on you. End of story.
Every single word of what I have written has been truthful, wear as everything you have written is speculation.

None of it adds up. You are all fired up about some drawing I didnt even do that my space allowed normally. (and one that was not Kelly, which you said was)

I could go through all your lies but I would have to write countless more pages and I just wanted to address the fact that you have been making things up with every response you have made.

In most posts I tried to be understanding to you and care for you, and be your friend, but you chose to belittle me, and use a few lame postings to give you proof well I got my 13 pages, and some people on there said there was some criminal activity involved with you/pinky/morgan so thats what I was interested about looking into.

Again whatever you are thinking in your head can just stay in there, no one wants to hear more from you Alan, and you cant type, or spell, or make any sagacity.

People that hire you should have the chance to know what you have done here, and also people should not hire any 50 or so year old that types like they are in grade 3 probably not the best sign that they are going to be good for a company.

I hope no more words have to be said.

I have said enough and you have tried to make yourself look a bit more like less of a criminal by showing people you cyber bully directly on this rip off report.

I dont think your posts did anything but make you look like more of a stalker, bully, hacker and complete lunatic as I said you are. You proved all of my claims to be true about you. You admitted to stalking me around to all sites, a cyber-stalker if you will, then you publicly bullied me on the posts you made which as all documented here, then you showed that you have the computer skills and knowledge to hack me by working on these sites, and you have shown many signs of being a sociopath, especially with the They may dominate and humiliate their victims.line which you are openly showing everyone.

You seem to be forgetting that I am a person, with feelings, and emotions, you treat people like numbers, yet all humans are more then that. They all need to be cared for and to be understood on many levels and we are all different and may need to be understood in different ways.

Jeff

The END?...duh duh duhhhhhhhhhhh

PS: Alan please refrain from posting more of your lies.
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give it a rest already Jeff

AUTHOR: Alan - (U.S.A.)

you really proving your own stupidity, and why peopel stop talking to you.. you're amazing, and not in a good way.

we talked alot? only time we talked was when I told you to stop doing something becuase people were complaining, and when I had to warn you. nothing you do will ever effect my life, if you dissappeared tommorrow, nothing for me would change except I would get headaches reading your nonsense.

as for you r Kelly referance, what kind of drugs are you on? R. Kelly was never on my site or a site I worked on, if he was and did what you did, he'd be banend for it jsut liek you were.. try something else, your comments and explinations are the dumbest things ever written.

yes, pinky said after one year, IF YOU STOP BUGGING HIM, which you didn't stop.. so, the year came and went, and you remained banned, we went over this 100 times, the facts haven't changed (except in your own mind)

Does it really matter if they say they are over 18 or not? you don't know for sure, and you had the concversations with them, YOUR AT FAULT, and no judge will take into consideration that you 'thought' they were 18.. it doesn't work that way. It would be considered ignorance on your part (and you certainly show alot of ignorance)

The numbers and letter wren't Kelly? you said it was Kelly right under it! I have a screenshot image of it... and Art never hacked your myspace, he barely knows how to use myspace.. again your pointing fingers without any facts.. what happened to all the 'investigations' you had going? you psoted about them all.. it's been over a year, and nothing.. you stated myspace and hotmail had the ip's and home addresses of the people who 'hacked' you and gave them to you, again i have the screenshot image of that, and our still pionting fingers and differant people for the same thing because you have no clue who did anything.. perhaps no one did it, you could ahve done it all yourself jsut to place blame onothers.. it would fit your personality and MO for all of this perfectly.

Facebook.. you dont seem to know who your friends are on there, they psoted the link to the topic about you on my site instead of the link to hear.. right on your own 'jeff stackhouse fan club', stating 'what jeff did'.. facebook, nor myspace delete people on request, there has to be proof of what they did on their pages for the service to see for themselves, obviously they saw somehting on your pages, and deleted you, they dont have to explain why, warn you, or even discuss it with you, you agree'd to their terms, end of story.

Where did I ever say I wanted a meet and greet? I don't need one.. you have no clue who I know or what I do for who.. tust me, I dont need a meet and greet, nor do I apply for them. (I don't have to buy my ticekts either.. jsut FYI for your tiny brain)

The onyl reason I responded to any of this is for the entertainment value.. the things you come up with are so rediculous, they're funny. not to mention a 31 year old guy who seems to cry himself to sleep cause he's banned on a bunch of websites, that should be a tv sitcom in itself. The more you post the link to my site around, he higher my search engine rankings stay for the site.. good work! You'll never be back on the site, but good work anyway!

did you ever stop and think for one second that if you shut your mouth like I told you to do dozens of times, stayed away from the sites, never mentioned any of it, you wouldn't be having your problems? no one would have to post al you did so others can see it rather than assume and ask questions about it all? apparently you didn't. You're claims of being the first to have exclusive Kelly info, your claim that Kelly said she'd marry you, your posts of how you ARE married to Kelly.. got the biggest laughs of all, and totally turned people off from you.. that's not behavior of a 31 year old man.. a 13 year old sure, but not 31, and it's what you did! deny it all you want, we have it all saved. Kelly's friend Kelly even messaged you directly on myspace telling you to remove the pics you had of kelly that you altered, your cartoon of her in her underwear, your ascii drawing of her (that you say were jsut numbers and letters, kelly or not, what you made with the numebrs and letters WAS NOT APPROPRIATE ANYWHERE ON THE INTERNET).. you ignored her..

You go through people's myspace friends lsits and try to add all their friends to your myspace, if they deny you, you keep requesting them till they tell you to f-off already, and you still continue to try.. you can't get the message into that tiny brain of yours.. when someone says to leave them alone, LEAVE THEM ALONE.. when someone tells you what to do to fix a problem, DO IT.. it's too late now for most of it, you did the damage already, now you are paying for your own actions.. you should have listened to begin with, but no, not Jeff.. and it will alwways be liek that.. only you can change things, starting with yourself, until then, there is nothing more to discuss at all, and the more you carry on like an adolescent. the more people are gonna think there is something seriously wrong with you, and keep a far distance from you.
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I hope after this post Alan will finally understand me and care for me. Please Pray for Alan and me.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Alan, is there some reason that you cant listen to a word I say, yet I HAVE to listen to you?

I do hear, I do read, and I understand things very well.

#1. Pinky is his Real name????? For real? Ok, should I trust you? You have been very deceitful before. Why wont Pinky talk to me? He never responded after the year was up? He promised me. He said I was allowed on in one year and that I didnt do anything wrong. Why cant I talk to someone that promised me many years ago that they would talk to me? He seemed like an ok guy, well, he was, I think, on your side , perhaps, but still, he said I didnt do anything. He said it was all just in case I did something, That is what he told me.

I dont really need to read things slow, I understand pretty much everything; I have graduated University two times with honors.

#2 What? I thought we were good friends before this? I mean we talked a lot, I thought you cared about me, but you turned everything around to make me look bad. I feel really betrayed by you and what you did to me, and the putdowns are very harsh and unwanted, especially for someone like me that is sensitive. I am listening to you right now, but I am also trying to get you to listen to me, and what you did to me, you never listen to me, or acknowledge what you did. Are you sure you are not out to get me?

I mean I didnt do it, but if you hated stuff like that why didnt you go after R. Kelly, he has video of him having sex with kids, all I did was get tricked by them, thats it. I didnt even say anything remotely out of line. I got framed and you think its the biggest deal of all time. R Kelly still tours the world after "doing" lots of kids, yet I happened to message one that said they were over 18 to my face and they started all this sexual talk, which I NEVER wanted to talk about, and I am the bad guy? You guys taunted me, and put my age down, my sex down, you said everything to me that you knew would hurt me the most.

I thought you said you would never respond again? If you have anything like more putdowns, those should not be posted and have nothing to do with the case here.

Oh come on, this is blasphemous,...I didnt do any of that ridiculous stuff you claim Alan, its just you dont understand me, you dont get me, and you have a hard time understanding others. You should put yourself in my position and listen to what I am saying and try to feel how I am feeling so you can understand how this is for me. I never made a naked Kelly I dont know where you are even getting this information, I know for a fact I never made a naked Kelly and never will like I said before. Where did yo get that information? I dont even know what those acsii characters are.

Well the myspace thing, I think Art did, he hacked me and stalked me on there. Thats the truth, sorry but that is what happened. He always talked to me on MSN about having sex with Donald Duck, he said it almost everyday I talked to him, he was obsessed with Donald Duck. So after I was hacked, I saw he changed my my space to all Donald Duck wallpapers I know you and him were behind that one for a fact. He basically put his mark on there, like a serial killer would, so I know there is something wrong with you guys.

The numbers and letters on my my space were just numbers and letters, that was not Kelly, it was not even anyone naked, you chose to see it as that. And that explains why you would see me in the way you do, you make things up and see things the way you want to see them. That was the whole point of that. It was artwork. You dont understand art. You dont know what things are art and what are not. That is sometimes how people that are very computer or business oriented understand things. Its ok we just dont understand each other that well. I think I have been better at understanding you guys then you have about understanding me, not once has anyone of you taken the time to understand menot one bit.
Well I am not nonsense and none of my words have been, I have seen a lot of what you guys have said that is just crazy and makes no sense and I have read a lot of things I know for a fact you are making up I am pointing fingers because I want to tell people why things are happening to me. I was very good on facebook, never did a thing wrong, and I think probably one of your people or stalkers, lied again, and thats what happened there. I am just telling you the truth. It is sad because I need facebook to keep my friends together and talk to them and for someone with anxiety it really helps a lot just to organize friends and message them easy and we can all see how each other is doing quickly. Since you guys did that to me on facebook I have lots most of my good friends, so yes, I did want you to know I am very sad and hurt by what you did. I want you to leave me alone and not bother me.

Well those are my facts, like them or not, they are what I believe to be true, I am not pointing fingers at you as much as you are pointing them at me.

Why does no one owe me anything? I think from what you have done to me I think you owe me too much. Millions of dollars wouldnt even begin to fix what you guys have done to me. Its much deeper then money.

Well I have heard LOTS of complaints. My friends on there tell me how much it sucks all the time, its just they never put there complaints in because you guys are like Hitler and if they say anything wrong about the fanclub they get a WARNING and if they dont be quiet you ban them. Believe me I have seen how it works that is not fair that the fans cant complain if they have problems on the site. There is also a complaint about the Kelly Clarkson fan club on this very site. It was here before I even posted this, so its not like my post had anything to do with that complaint.

Alan I also said for you to not say anymore on here, but you go on and on. I seriously will not mention you anymore IFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF you dont keep on going on and on about things you have said a million times. I dont want to hear it, this is not some thread, this is a site where I have listed my complaint, it is in the very first section, and thats where it stands.

Ha, you want a meet and greet? lol, well thats all for fun. I like to challenge peoples perceptions of other people. I know I have challenged yours already from having you question my fan club. Hey, it was a great fan club, lots of people in it, there are pics, and message boards and there would have been more too. Its a great thing. Why are you stalking me on facebook? For all I know, I bet you were the one who told lies to them to get me banned. You are so evil Alan. You need to change. You need to change and I cant help you too. You need help professional help. It seems to me you have no ability to care about me or anyone. I was only trying to help you see the world in different ways, and that people are not all the same, and after ALLLL of this, I havent even helped. I wish that someone could see I wanted to help you.


No I would love to have no attention Alan. I dont need it. I really dont. I dont need the Kelly fans not liking me. First of all, they are awesome; I think they are cool and great, and anyone who likes Kelly ROCKS ALL. They just ROCK! BUT I dont want them stalking or hacking me anymore. I think they should just enjoy the music and leave me alone.
I wouldnt say people are lining up for a meet and greet with me, but they may want to, or they might do that someday. I will have meet and greets at some point, when I get past this, and I will give you a free front of the line pass, should you choose to accept it. Well when I go to concerts people sometimes ask for a picture with me or what-not. Its not that I am famous, well not yet, I guess, well I might be someday, for good things, really good things. Kelly said to me that my artwork was really excellent, she said that a few times actually, and I believe anything Kelly says, and I believe in myself.

Well you say to help yourself right? And the reason I wrote the rip off report was to help myself out. I was giving that my best shot.
Well on my petition, I think its up to about 100, I had some of the stalker fans stalk me out and post, so I had to actually delete a few of those postings.

I really cant believe you are a grown man saying things like I especially love how you... like that is just absurd Alan. You dont treat people that way, in the way that you treat me, you just dont. You need to find something inside yourself and try to basically care and love other people. Id love to get along with you well. I know you dont want to , which makes it impossible for me.

In that way, I cant help you to help me.

My part of this situation is by no means exaggerated in any way. .. I really feel like you have been racking me over the coals for something I havent even done, trying to find any little post on any site to hurt me. I know what you did, I can feel it. I am not stupid, and I just know what you did, you dont have to deny it, because I know it. Unfortunately I cant get anywhere with you and cant get you to speak the truth about your role in all of this.

Id like to end it here, like I have said in almost every post. If we are not getting anywhere, then why bother to type more? Why bother to let it go on.

The only reason you are responding now is because you feel guilty and are trying to put me down more or try to say more things that may make me look bad , things in which I have never done.
You mentioned assii characters about 3 or 4 times and #1 I didnt make them #2 It wasnt Kelly ( how you could see Kelly in that pic I have no idea) and #3 it was all about the artistic concept.
I dont even have that picture anymore, you took that far too seriously and you take me to seriously, I am just a funny guy, that loves to care for others, and wants to make a difference in the world.
I think maybe thats what we all want, and I really want to make the world a better place. I thought I could here, but without any give and take we are at a standstill here.

Things cant begin to get better when there is no give or take.
I re-read all of that stuff you said and I feel its meant to hurt me. If you were trying to make things better you could have said things that would help me. Like jeff you are a great guy or Jeff did you do that ascii character, that was really cool

You never try to embrace the good in me I think that is the problem.
For one time in your life Alan, try to be nice to someone!!! Have you done anything nice for anyone? I would like to see you do more for others, not think so much about yourself but how you can help someone have a better day. If you do that then this might be all worthwhile because someone out there in the world will feel better and that might start the world to be a better place. The person you are nice to might be nice to someone else and the whole thing might s****. /> Its possible and we have to start somewhere, why not right here?
I want to you know I read all of what you said, and Id like you do take time to read what I have said. I dont actually ever see you do anything but put up your defenses like you have done something terrible wrong, which is how I know, I just know, you have something you are not telling us.

Ill do anything to get along, but like I said, I will need a bit of give and take, a bit of understanding and part of you needs to be slightly human in order to have things work out ok here.
What do you want from me? Other then reading your posts over well. What do you think I can do about this? (Other then nothing like you are saying) Do you think we could potentially work anything out? Do you think you are right about the situation? What makes me wrong? I really want to care about myself and I care about you too, enough to ask you what you think could help. (And dont use that as an excuse to put me down) like Ya jeff you need help , serious help hahaha I am tired of your putdowns, I just want you to to see the real me, which is hard, because you dont know me, I understand that part of this. I know its hard for us to really know who the other person is, we are assuming things about each other which may or may not be true, but we both have no idea just because we dont know each other. If you are judging my through typing, I am sorry but I am NOTHING like this in person.

I care about people and love others and want the world to be a better place but I rarely talk to anyone , and I am very quiet and I am very sensitive, I voice my opinion here because in real life, there is no way in hell I could.

So look at this as a way for me to stick up for myself. Try to see it as positive and try to care, please please, if you can, please care.

I need people to care about me. I think I do need your sympathy because I need you to understand the truth of all of this. You have no idea what my life has been like. You know nothing about me other then a few posts which were not even done by me. Anyone could have posted as me on the internet Alan, anyone could have posted on any of my accounts, this is the internet, and most of the people are criminals on it!!!! Is that why you put me into that category? Is that why I put you into that category? I still think you did a lot of things that were shady, to be as kind as I can
Can we just agree to disagree or something?

Or can you try to be kind? Or is that too much to ask?


Jeff
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jeff just doesn't get it

AUTHOR: Alan - (U.S.A.)

Jeff.. Listen VERY closely, because you never seem to, you don't hear, you dont read, you never comprehend anything that is said to you...

read every word of this, one at a time, let it sink in...

1. Pinky is his REAL name, and he is in the upper offices, he doesn't work on the fan club, he wont help you, he wont respond to you, if you bug anyone at echo music, they will simply ignore you.. you did what you did, they ahve it all in logs and placed on file, end of story there.. it's done, your done on there, that's it, nothing to discuss, nothing to fix, it's done, move on...

2. I was never you 'friend', I did a job on there, as I do a job now.you were given many warnings, spoken to several times, by me, since 2005 when you first signed up on the fanclub, you refused to listen, as your doing now. Everything you were banned for was your own words and your own actions, no one making it up, no one out to get you, it was your very own posts that were reported, messages that YOU sent reported... no one elses.

You keep yapping about how everyones against your age.. there are plenty of people odler than you on the fan club and on kellyville, many of them are guys, none of them act the way you do or say the things you say to some kids. None of them are photoshopping pictures of Kelly to make her butt look larger to post on their myspaces, none of them are making ascii drawings of kelly naked for their myspaces, you did that, I have the screenshots, including screenshots of you posting how upset you were that MYSPACE removed that drawing you made. No one hacked your myspace and removed it, MYSPACE DID IT, jsut liek myspace deleted your account after several coplaints of harrassment, and you went off without any facts pointing fingers at people for it.

You were recently thrown off facebook... and again, pointed fingers at people for it.. it's why you decided to come here and start all this nonsense.. you did it to yourself, no one else is to blame for any of it.

as for the 'girl', you don't know that she appologized for her ranting, no one did anything to her, she has emotional problems. She is still a member of kellyville and the fan club, and I talk to her regularly in the chatrooms. again, you have no facts, no proof to back up anything you say, and you point fingers without knowing what the heck your talking about.

No one owes you anything, no one owes you an explination, no one owes you your fan club membership fee's. The fan club has over 100,000 members, only a few complaion about anything on there, there always be a few complainer, it's part of business. The fan club is an official site, run by a company that is insured, they aren't exactly worried about those few, and are espcailly not worried about you when they have your own posted words saved on file. If you want to sue them, go right awhead, when your own file is used against you in front of a judge, don't start coplaining about it, becuse you'd only be doing it to yourself.

I specifically told you do not contact me, do not alk about me, do not mention me, you continued to do so after saying you wouldn't.. I have screenshots of it as well, all with the dates it was all posted, which was long before my post of what you have done so people know the facts. You opened that can of worms, now you have to live with it. If you want to open it up more, that is your choice, I'm more than ready to comply, so are many of the people you harrassed and annoyed in the past 2 years.

You made it all personal.. you do it for attention (the jeff fan club? who starts their own fan cub? when they aren't even a celebrity?) are people really lining up to pay to have a meet and greet with you? that whole thing has become a huge joke among everyone on the kelly sites. It's definate proof that you have issues, and you need to deal with them professionally.. no one can help you Jeff, you need to help yourself.

I espceially love how you brag about having almost 100 signatures for your online petition to be let back on the fan club.. more than half are voided or rejected.. most of whats left are jokes (like Kelly Clarkson is really going to sign one of those things, and use her real name on it). You exhagerate everything, and this whole page on here is no differant.

re-read everything i just said, let it sink in.. for once, try to comprehend it all.
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Please lets care for each other. Love each other. Be peaceful and considerate each other. Pray for each other. All I need is love and pinky.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Well, it's all in the facts that you hate people that have anxiety disorders, Alan, the proof is in the 13 pages whether you want to admit that or not.

Well whatever you did to that girl , as you claim she is, was wrong, and you could admit it. That is actually content taken from the site.

Alan, I read on several websites that there was some criminal activity going on with a few of you, including Morgan. Why would people be saying this if it is not true?

Alan, what ever happened to Pinky? He promised me a few things and I think if I can just talk to him the whole thing will be ok. I guess I was so frustrated about him not getting back to me that I tried to write him many times. I am still trying to get a hold of Pinky. He is the only one that said I did nothing wrong, and that I could come on the fan club. He was also the only one to understand, at least, I think he did.

Alan I realize the terms and read them and I am not as stupid as you think I am, having got 13 pages of proof... and I don't feel it's nonsense ok, you could at least not put me down anymore ok?

In fact you said you would never respond again, yet you do, and it's always hard on me.

You never say Jeff you are a great guy" Or " Jeff I am sorry I misunderstood you" you seem to want me to feel sad about it, and that's very wrong.

I want to move on from this.

Someone asked me to post the last post I made and it had nothing to do with wanting to continue this further. We both have a major difference of opinion here, and I can see my pleas to you have not been any help to us.

I have only wanted to help.

And no, please don't put words in my mouth, I would never want to see any testicals on any sites. But you have to admit that a peepsack is a type of candy and nothing more. You guys did that to me when I said bob... you judge others too quickly. Do you ban everyone that is named bob because they have that name? I mean, you really didn't see my kind hear and my senstive spirit, and that's a part of this that hurts.

What about Pinky's name? That COULD be seen as raunchy too if you let it be.

Just so everyone knows I would never like it to see anything gross on the internet, but the point the people were trying to make was that there was a lot of judgment calls going on to a lot of innocent people.

Alan I am over this ok. I just wanted to make matters better for me and you, but you didn't want to compromise or hear me out. I was trying to make things better for us all and as you can see here... nothing changed.

No I don't think it's natural to deny something like that at all. I think it's something you have all made up. The logs can be altered because that's the kind of things you guys like to do. It's really easy for someone to steal your IP address as well. I was dealing with hackers and very skilled people in computers. All you have to do it get a program and you can change your IP into any IP, including MY IP. It is easy to do. If I wanted to show logs coming from your IP with you sexually harassing young girls it would be easy. All you need is the program some instant messenger , then you get one person to pose as me and one as a young girl. As simple as that you get your "logs" and as simple as that people can report you for no reason.

You talked to me for years, we were all friends, and I guess you wanted to play a hacking and stalking trick on me. That is what I am thinking. I know I didn't do it even if you think I did. The logs you say you have must certainly not be true and must be made up. Remember the people on your site did send me these girls to talk to in the first place and they all claimed to be over 18. I would never ever talk in a sexual way to anyone let alone someone under 18... Alan I told you I am not like that. I can assure you, this is not me or who I am, or what I am about, you have to believe me and then I can go on a live a good life.

I want to make a difference in the world. I want it to be more peaceful and I would like people to care about each other more. You and your team of people have trouble with forgiveness. Even if I did do it, which I did not, why can't you get over it. There are bad people out there. IF someone did have a girl say they are over 18 and I guy happened to talk to them, that is no cause for so much harm. That is the mistake of the girl, a lie, and there is no way at all a guy could EVER know the age of the girl. I seriously care about all people and all Kelly fans out there.

I just need them to stop the hate, and please care and love me a lot. I need to be loved and I need people to care about me. I am sorry if anyone out there would believe and lies but most people do know me, and know who I am. Like I said you guys like to twist the truth, post fake stuff about me and it's all documented on here. You also are big into hate, and putdowns, and other illegal activities I have listed.

I am not in any way saying talking to underage girls is ok, it is not, I am saying what you did to me was entrapment and you did it many times, sending these girls for me to talk to was just terrible, and they did say a lot of sexual things to me first, and they did say they were over 18, I don't see what or how you could say I did anything wrong Alan. Are you sure that you think you are right about this?

What happened to me was not at all what you are describing and I still feel wronged. I know I was, in fact wronged. I lived through this , all you did was try to make it worse for me , when you could have made it better.

I was just hoping that after all of this time you could have changed your ways and was hoping you had changed into a more kind or caring person.

It is too bad you are still the way you are.

Alan I am not keeping it going, I just feel the need to defend myself, I don't want people to get me wrong, or to hear one sided accounts of something, especially me.

This hopefully will be both of our last posts. If I feel the need to defend myself I will, only if I must, I get too stressed out about this, and it is not good for me to spend any time with.

I just want everyone to know, I am sorry if you think I had or did do it, even Alan, and I can assure Alan that what he *thought* happened did not, there was a lot going on on the fan club at that new stage, and I was singled out by these girls that did in fact lie to me, and they did in fact report me after the fact they encouraged me to say some things I wish I never did. It was a case of entrapment, and sometimes young people can be ruthless. I am so sorry, I care about and pray about every Kelly fan out there in hopes we can all get along in peace and harmony, and respect each other for having such great taste in music, as we all love Kelly very much. She's a great person, and she is my inspiration, for the way I am trying to share hope, love and kindness to the world.

I pray a lot about the situation, and like I said if this writing on here can help one person become a better and kinder more caring person then the my many years of sadness and bashing have made a difference.

I want to make a difference to more then just one person. If it is at all possible.

I want to end off this with a prayer for Alan and his team, all the people I was friend with on the fan club that turned there back on me. We all need people to lift us up when we are down, I pray that some of them will turn there lives around or will become more kind or caring people from this. I pray everyone will be able to see this situation from my heart, how I have been hurt, and will try there best to put themselves in my shoes. If you were a guy on the Kelly fan club at that time you would have stood out like a sore thumb too, and the same things would have happened to you. I just wanted to fit in, and make friends, and have all of us get along.

I pray you will be able to understand, and if you can't, I pray for all of us to feel better about this. I pray it is over. I pray we can all be better people because of it. I pray that I will make it through it. I pray for you and for me and I give you all my love, even the people that tried there best to take me down.

I was just reading the bible and it says some things I hope will help. I need some of the spiritual side of this to be worked out.


A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another (John 13:34).

Jeff: We gotta love each other guys. I love you, please, please find it in your hearts to love me too.

But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you (Luke 6:27-28).

This is a hard thing for anyone to do. I must love you all, even Art, even Alan, this is a test to see if I can honestly care and love people who have done me wrong. It is not a easy thing to do, but I just want to tell Alan and Art and the girls I talked to that I am sorry if they were mistaken and could not see the good in me. I am good and I love you.

I am a person that loves everyone a lot, and people sometimes see that as strange, especially when I don't know them, but I have so much love to give and I can't find people to give it too. I hope this message reaches a lot of people and I hope it makes a difference. Love is all anyone needs. (and food/water/shelter) but you NEED love. I just pray people will love each other more because of this... even one person... then we all will have made a difference.

No matter what we think of each other lets wish each other well and hope thinks will be happy and good for us all.

I have quoted what needs to be done from the bible; I think that's probably our best authority for this situation.

If you do post please only do it if you have any idea where I could speak with Pinky. He will prove to all of you what happened and he will make everything ok.

Jeff
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AUTHOR: Alan - (U.S.A.)

1. Uniqueandalanis isn't banend on the fan club, or kellyville... you are.. two totally seperate situations, she had a problem with a couple of members, who didn't do anything wrong, and she was talked to about it, and it's all fine

2. Morgan wasn't fired from anywhere, she took another job in California with a bigger company.. you don't know your facts, you shouldn't make accusations

3. websites have the right to refuse, or remove access and accounts for any, or no reason, without warning, states so in all terms and agreements upon signup, your lack of reading the terms and agreements is your own fault, no one elses. there is nothing 'criminal' ior 'illegal ' about it, it's actually totally legal, jsut as a store you may go to can refuse to serve you, or even let you in the store, if they chose to do so.

4. if you think a screenname hving to do with testiles, and an aavatar image of a smoking testilce is appropriate on a site that has udnerage members, your seriously wrong, and need serious help.

5. Finally, the only person stopping you from moving on is YOU. You continue it all and keep it going, you refuse to get over it, you refuse to accept what is legal, or any facts that are documented. You come up with proof that proves nothing, has nothing to do with your situation or anything you have done. Logs cannot be altered, they are saved as things happen, and dated when they are saved by the system, your messages and psots were all logged, twice, when you sent them they are added to the database, and when they are reported, they are logged again from the report. It's only natural for someone to deny the things you've done, it's expected, but it's all saved forever and put on file.

You may continue bringing up things having nothing to do with your situation all you want, you're only upsetting yourself more trying to validate behavior that was in no way appropriate. You can't go back and change what you have already done, so as you keep saying now, move on.. only you are keeping it all going.
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Since you asked for Proof.... 13 pages of it.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Well Actually since you want proof...

I saved this from the site from a many years ago

Just in case you ever wanted some real proof

What I have here is taken directly from the Kelly site and has not been changed or altered in any way.

Kelly Evidence

Posted: May 19 2007, 11:58 AM

uniqueandalanis4

**Fan Club Member**
Group: Message Boarder
Joined: 09/29/2006
Posts: 5045

?why are some people so crewl to me when i did'nt do nothing?i know you dont have the answers but im here to support kelly and in the off topic all some people are doing is slandering me and discriminating against me!i do have axiety attacks and brian is so cruel for saying these things!!i wish i did do something so he could have said it!but im not that kind of person to go around and say things!!im so so sad angry and confused about whats happening on kelly's board!
i dont even come on anymore because of it!
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keeper of kelly's saying'' i would love to pick her brain..... and her stance when she stands she puts her right leg over her left leg!!


Posted: May 19 2007, 12:28 PM

uniqueandalanis4

**Fan Club Member**
Group: Message Boarder
Joined: 09/29/2006
Posts: 5045

QUOTE: (Steelersfankellyssexyeyes @ May 19 2007, 12:24 PM)
WHAT YOU THINK I CANT GET IN TOUCH WITH KELLY ABOUT THIS!!I DONT THINK YOU CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH KELLY WHY IS EVERYONE SO MAD AND UPSET FOR THO THIS IS NUTS
SEE UR MOCKING ME!!!!!

AND THIS ISNT NUTS WHEN SOMEONE IS MAKING YOU FEEL THIS WAY WHEN UR A FAN ..AND U JOIN AND PAY MONEY TO GET ''
INSULTED
SLANDERED!
DISCRIMANATION!
AND NOW IM BEING MOCKED!!!



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What you have seen happen to this person on the fan club, is nearly EXACTLY what happened to me... It is so close it is eerily sickening.

I mean I had the EXACT thing happen.

The poor kid has a freaking anxiety disorder , which I have as well, and you picked on him the same way... you guys don't have a CLUE what it's like to feel the way we do.

I would have to agree I am a fan and I paid to get "Insulted" "Slandered" "Discriminated against" and "Mocked"

The poor kid, I totally understand what he went through.

Those same things were happening to me.

So there is some of your poof.

I actually have a ton of proof I saved.

Here is more:

Watch what the same people who run the kelly site did to other fans who has the name peepsack as there name. The admins have corrupt minds and assumed it was a derogatory term, just as they did to me. way , and assumed it was a bad word and banned for no reason.

Kelly Clarkson Fan Club Banning:

NEW PROOF that I, Jeff, DID NOT do anything wrong in any way shape or form on the Kelly Clarkson Fan Club.

Please note that all of this info I have found has not been changed and is taken directly from http://www.thebounderground.com/blog/index.php?itemid=29#nucleus_cf

Saturday, January 28, 2006
Banned from BoBice.com
A member known as PeepSack at BoBice.com has recently been banned. The reason given for the banning was emailed:

"This notice is being sent to inform you that your membership at BoBice.com has been disabled due to the inappropriate username and description used to create your account."

So the question that comes to my mind initially is why a sack full of peeps could be misconstrued to be inappropriate, given that we've established that Peeps is an innocuous term?
Posted by Laclos at 16:04:29. Filed under: BoBice.com

Jeff's Comment: Morgan Plex, Pinky Gonzalez and Alan W. that begun at the fan club also did this to me. They made my comments sound bad in order to get rid of me.

A peepsack is a marshmallow candy and they banned a guy on the bo bice club just as they did on the Kelly club and if you see the time frame. It was also the same time they did my banning coincidence? I know it is not.

I said Bob on the fan club and they changed it in to a derogatory phrase as they have done to this person.

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One of the mods must have given in to one of the million ways to corrupt something innocent!! You know, Morgan herself warned about that, but must have forgotten to pass that on to the mod sending out the e-mail notification of banning. Very bad, to give in to one of the million ways to corrupt a bag full of marshmallow candies!
Posted by theboun at Saturday, January 28, 2006 16:26:13

Jeff 's Comment. Again twisting what the fan says on a board to fit what they want you to say in order to ban a innocent fan.

You know, my husband always says, Nothing and no one can hurt you, make you angry, or shame you. You simply allow them to. I guess Morgan and the mods at BB.com forgot about that."Basically, there are a million ways to corrupt something innocent - this is only one. It's up to you to decide whether or not you adopt the obscure definition for the word. Just keep in mind, if you adopt it, you give it power!" I guess Morgan forgot she said that too? What's wrong with Gilbert Peep?
After my (insert dead relative of choice here) passed away, I inherited some of his/her journals and found where s/he wrote "Do as I say, not as I do!"
...Just something to keep in mind, however you'd like to interpret that.Posted by Deleted at Saturday, January 28, 2006 16:34:40


Jeff'sComment: Yes! They had no rules on the fan club when I was on it as well. They had not one clue as to what they were doing with me. The other fan club members who were girls were aloud to use the word BOB with ease and as many times as they wanted, but Morgan and Alan wanted to get rid of me, because they had something against me and teamed up against me for no reason. They said BOB was a bad word, and it is not.

It had just been brought to my attention that another person has been banned from bobice.com for a screen name.

THESE PEOPLE WERE GIVEN NO WARNING, NO CHANCE TO CHANGE WHAT TPTB FOUND OFFENSIVE!!!!! We had more or less gotten over the fact that as fans we found the fan club name offensive.


Jeff's Comment: I have to agree with what these people are saying. The echomusic sites at the time I was banned and these people were banned ( by the same moderators ) that they were making up rules as they went along, and were also banning anyone WITHOUT WARNING, and WITHOUT A CHANCE TO CHANGE POST/SCREENNAMES.


The screen names had been accepted on the site, and no e-mail was sent until the members posted things that a moderator on another forum disagreed with (the direction of Bo's second CD, which that mod thinks no one should even discuss until this current CD is a huge hit). Another moderator for that other forum suggested people joined bobice.com just to argue with the moderators from the other site! The discussion is in "Your hopes for the next album" under The Real Thing topic at http://www.bobice.com.

Given that the names of the banned members had been accepted on boboce.com, and the banning came in the midst of vigorous and lively discussion, it makes one wonder if the guarantee of privacy and not sharing information with a third party has been violated by bobice.com. Are the mods at bobice.com in bed with the mods from another fan forum?

Jeff Stackhouse Comment: Yes, the 3 fan club moderators from Bo Bice.com and Kellyclarkson.com committed crimes against the fans, in they gossiped and talked about certain members like myself between different websites. They shared my personal information with several Kelly Clarkson sites and spread rumors to get me banned on many sites

What kind of fan club is being run in Bo's name, anyway??Posted by theboun at Saturday, January 28, 2006 16:41:30

Wow, anybody remember the Soup n**i episode from Seinfeld? Well, NO POSTS FOR YOU.Incredible.Posted by Lady Ravensnark at Saturday, January 28, 2006 16:49:34

d**n, I gotta stop burning my bridges. I'm missing all the "fun" over there. Kudos to PeepSack! It's so much cooler to be banned than to quit in a huff.Posted by Cher at Saturday, January 28, 2006 16:59:58

Jeff's comment: Yes I must add here, Why is echomusic doing employing these kinds of people? I swear to you that these mods need to be fired, and that they will be fired. They have been nothing but trouble to the fans, and to the artists.

How could the username be inappropriate if the fan club member name is not inappropriate? If the names and description and avatar were accepted, then why weren't they warned and given the opportunity to change? EVEN JACOB DURING THE GREAT COOTER REBELLION ON TWO GAVE PEOPLE WARNINGS.

If its true that they were really banned because they drew the ire of a mod from ANOTHER site, well, that's just reprehensible. Morgan is not a very good mod, IMO. Not a great incentive to fork over $24.99 to join a place where you can be banned without warning. May Peepsack and the second banned member, whoever they are, rest in peace. Posted by isis at Saturday, January 28, 2006 17:04:19

How can BB.com ban someone for embracing the name of the fan club and using it in their screen name? Why would they want to ban anyone without warning over something so trivial? Wouldn't sending a request to a fan who had paid to be on their website to please change their screen name be enough if they thought it was offensive?

Jeff'sComment: Yes there should have been at least one warning. Because there was no rules on the site at the time, and because there was nothing that said anything about name titles, and nothing that said you could not say BOB. Yes they had also talked between sites about me, plotting a banning if you will, which I find is also reprehensible. I also paid 29.99 for my membership, and they also took it away without warning.

BB.com trivialized the reaction of Bo's fans to the choice of a fan club name, and attempted to make fans feel small and petty for voicing their concerns. Now they are taking all that back and banning people for using something that was their own creation? Shame on them!Posted by chick at Saturday, January 28, 2006 17:49:07

Jeff Stackhouse Comment: Unfortunately, I too, when voicing my concerns, was also made fun of, and put down by these people. Yes they did create the word BOB and then when I said it they banned me for it!

Yikes, I feel like I am back in elementary school! This whole thing is getting out of hand, and unfortunately its primarily due to those in charge - um, Bos pr people. Somebody needs to let Bo know what is going on and fast.

Jeff's Comment: Yes I felt it was immature of the mods to fight me about this for years. I have the right to stick up for Kelly fans and myself. And these mods are not only criminals, but they dont know how to do a proper job for the fans and for the artists. I am trying to tell the artists what is going on. They have to know the injustice that is happening to their own fans.

I bet the poster was banned for BEING someone the mod disagreed with.
Posted by Lady Ravensnark at Saturday, January 28, 2006 18:14:53

Jeff 's Comment: Yes they didnt like me as a person. They didnt like me, because I am a shy person, or nervous person. They didnt like that I was a great fan. They didnt respect me, even though they didnt know me at all. Just because 3 criminals who someone wrongly employed did this to me and a lot of other people, that does not mean I am a bad person, or that I did something wrong on any site.

Friends, it's TRUE. I have been banned from the Bobice.com site for an inappropriate Username and Description. Isn't a Peep Sack a package of marshmallow candies? There's nothing I like better than to lick a peep until it forms a nice round ball. Then I pop it in my mouth and suck on it for a while. What's wrong with that? They are delicious.

I registered with this username a week ago. I had not posted until today. Nobody complained to me about the username all week. My few posts received positive responses from many other posters but were considered by a very few to evince some kind of "angry" grudge against another site.

I don't know if the reason for my banishment is indeed my username (though I can't for the life of me see what is offensive in the name Peeps) or if it is because my posts were out-spoken in favor of a CD containing music much different from the current CD or if Morgan has a special relationship with the other posters who seem to believe that everything is an attack on them.

I'm just as happy to have my money back. I wasn't sure I wanted to belong to that Peep Hole. I just wanted good tickets for the nearby Peep Shows. But I don't like totalitarian oligarchies.Posted by PeepSack at Saturday, January 28, 2006 18:18:51


Jeff's Comment: From What PeepSack is saying from his experience, this is exactly what happened to me with Morgan on the Kelly Clarkson Fan Club. I posted everything was fine, I have a lot of positive comments as well, then they said you are banned. Morgan and Alan were always attacking me and they bullied me as well in private e-mails.

Peep, it's like my good friend Eminem says:
"No matter how many fish in the sea, it'll feel so empty without me."
It's the PeepHole's loss.Posted by Lady Ravensnark at Saturday, January 28, 2006 18:22:06

PeepSack, I found the thread on BB.com and perused some of it. I cant believe they would ban you for what you said - it must be your name. :-) You know, at first, I was sorry to see poor reviews for TRT from the critics. However, I am starting to think they may be doing Bo a favor for the next album. And yes, with 500,000 in sales, there will be another. If everyone acts like they just love the pop Bo, then thats what we will get again. I just dont understand why some fans dont get it. I bet Bo does
I was offered a refund from BB.com after I complained about Morgan.(Plex) I am still contemplating it (waiting to see the tour schedule and the possibility of VIP tickets). I guess all I have to do is change my user name to the one I use here and the decision will be made for me!Posted by NoPeep at Saturday, January 28, 2006 18:58:57

I guess Peep was "sacked" in the British sense of the word. Interesting how there was no warning. I'm still scratching my head as to how the board can simultaneously view "peeps" as harmless and "peepsack" as offensive, but then again it's been a long time since I've read Animal Farm. I don't suppose Peepsack will reveal her usual moniker anytime soon, though perhaps I will figure it out. I note that some of Peepsack's comments are still available by others quoting her. Based on patterns and practices, I would bet MORE than a nickel that the second banned poster is a member of the private board here. Anyone spilling?Posted by Denizen at Saturday, January 28, 2006 19:00:29

I was banned today for changing my user name to TestiTorsion and using a avatar of thecute little smiling testes the cancer society uses to encourage men to get exams. I have been a member since 11/23/06 and never have been warned about the contents of my posting. Today without warning I was banned. Yup, Poof gone from the membership. I only joined for possibly obtaining better tickets but, I am not sure how fairly that will be handled so, I gladly will take my refund and use it toward obtaining tickets on my own.Posted by TestiTorsion at Saturday, January 28, 2006 19:25:23

LOL! At first glance, I interpreted the name as Peeps-ack (didn't note the cap "S"). Only goes to show how a name can be misconstrued, or not. Posted by NoPeep at Saturday, January 28, 2006 19:29:55

TestiTorsion? What a hoot. I missed the smiling testes, which to me seems consistent with the all-positive theme of the board - don't want any sad "sacks" there. (Not referring to you, PS.)Posted by Denizen at Saturday, January 28, 2006 19:33:09Peepsack, you have been manhandled, and not in a good way.

I hope Bo is not approving this censorship in his official fan site, because this has been a turn off for joining his (paying) site. After all, is his name on the banner.Posted by pepsusan at Saturday, January 28, 2006 22:08:45PeepSack -- isn't that what you put in your kids' Easter baskets?

PeepSack and TestiTorsion, while we're all curious as to who (or what) you really are, feel free to protect your anonymity. Between the President's penchant for warrantless surveillance, and the heavy-handed modding over at bb.com, a low profile might be best. Take your $24.99 refunds, buy yourselves a bottle of wine and peruse the blog!Posted by isis at Saturday, January 28, 2006 22:37:58

I am SO glad I never joined bb.com. The more I hear about that site, the more it sounds like the sites I have been trying to get away from (and they are free!!)Posted by Silent Lucidity at Saturday, January 28, 2006 23:46:52

I would like to give a big, fat WORD to Silent Lucidity's comments. I was "this close" to signing up this weekend even though I said I never would...And now? I don't think so. Not even if it was free.Posted by Deleted at Sunday, January 29, 2006 01:15:43

What I find most incredible in all of this is that in almost any business, there is a desire to have customers. And once you have them, you try to retain them. The rational, clear-headed, unemotional business decision here would have been to ask for me to change my username. Then they keep my money. Instead, they're handing back refunds AND refusing to allow me to re-register ever. That's short-sighted as hell. Not to mention the fact that this disgruntled former customer is not easily "silenced". So this whole thing makes for a marketing disaster.Posted by PeepSack at Sunday, January 29, 2006 09:03:24

Jeffs Comment: This is exactly how I felt when banned so suddenly and without warning. They will never hear the last of me until they admit what they did was wrong. I am not a person who they can push around, hurt, ban and throw away. I was a great addition to this fan club and to all fan clubs; I am always trying to help other fans and to support the artist as well.


Word!Peepsack. There was another poster last week who was told to please change her avatar as it was not considered G-rated. Why were we dismissed without warning? Could there have been underlying motives in that action, perhaps prejudice toward the "fallen" Peeps? I can be banished but, This is America, and I as a unhappy consumer I will voice my complaints about a business, that makes snap, shoot from the hip, emotional decisions. I think their client can use all the fans he can get. Throwing fans, who are willing to pay a fee, to ride the Bo-train, without first being ask to comply to what they envision as their standards of fandom, could jeopardize their future solvency.Posted by TestiTorsion at Sunday, January 29, 2006 10:03:03

I guess Morgans grandmother forgot to tell her that satisfied clients tell an average of 3 to 5 people, while unsatisfied clients tell approximately 10 people, and then those people are more likely to tell other people. Posted by NoPeep at Sunday, January 29, 2006 10:29:32


Jeff s Comment: Yes Morgan did not know what she was doing and was in fact criminally charged for what she did to some of the fans. I feel as though the fan club I was on should admit to these wrongdoings against me as soon as possible so we can end this nonsense. We all know what happened, and we also have the proof here. It did not just happen to me. It happened to many people. Morgan, Pinky, and Alan banned because they saw the power in banning. And because I was a great fan, and a target, they decided to get rid of me. Well I know a lot of Kelly fans know what happened to me, and more and more will also find out as time goes by.As NoPeep says here, its very bad business to do this. A lot of people are rooting for me to find peace on the fan club , and to prove that I didnt do anything wrong.

This just goes to prove that a bad mod can make or break a board. I used to frequent HealthBoards.com until the mods went completely psycho and banned about half the members. Granted it is a free site, but it is now a lifeless husk of its former self.

I hope someone gives Bo a heads-up about the way his fans are being manhandled. Maybe he needs to get more personally involved with the boards. A post or two from the man himself could really boost morale.
This is just sad. Seems there is going to be no democracy in the official Bo World. It is, by God, going to be a ruthless dictatorship. What is wrong with Bo's closest fans? By that I mean the fans that seem to be the closest to him physically, those who have actual contact with him. They keep pushing other, newer fans away. They want to set up "rules" for being a Bo fan and tell you straight out what you can and cannot do, say, or think if you are a true fan". My stomach has been turned so many times by this kind of talk and I am getting really bored with it. I find less and less places you can go and be just the kind of fan you want to be. People want too much to rule the Bo World.

Frankly, I can hardly bare to read a fake fan post anymore. I identify those as the one who flew to the web site and in a nano second became die hard fans with nary a note having been heard. The fact that they now have heard them and like them, gives no credibility to their endorsements. It always made me laugh that when they attacked some one criticizing with the "how can you say that when you haven't heard them play" argument. Duh, how can you praise them when you haven't heard them either? There is so much artificial BS going on everywhere it gets hard to take. For Bo to be the real thing, and I think he is, it is amazing how much phony bullshit is being said and done in his name.Posted by bamaroots at Sunday, January 29, 2006 18:44:11

Ran across this surfin the net. I know it's an old thread, but I'd like to add my comments about the banning.

The company that runs bo's site is echomusic...formally artist media group in nashville and his site is not the only one to have banned fan club members.( As did the Kelly Clarkson fan club)
Terri Clark's mod's banned a number of fans who had been fan club members for almost 10 yrs... 9 yrs prior to them takin over her website. And they too were banned cause of opinions. Had nothing to do with the artist.

I think fans should put them out of business and get word to the artists what's going on.Posted by 24 at Tuesday, December 12, 2006 08:05:56

WOW! Really interesting! I hadn't seen this tread before but it explains a LOT of what's happened with me on bb.com. I'm soooo happy Bo is getting a new company. Hopefully, Bo himself will have more input and there will be less discrimination by the moderators.
Posted by DaidyCat at Wednesday, December 13, 2006 12:03:09

I share that hope, but am not holding my breath. The administrator at the time of these goings-on was none other than morganplex, who mysteriously disappeared from public view at echomusic in August after private information about a member was shared with a third party, in violation of site policy. I'm not saying there was cause-and-effect there, merely that the timing was very interesting. Now, echomusic may be gone, but the administrator from that time, out-of-sight for some time, is now back. It will be interesting to see exactly what develops, and whether it is good for Bo in terms of bringing his fanbase together, or whether it is bad for Bo in terms of further shattering his fanbase. I'm not making bets one way or the other at this point in time. Just observing. . .

Jeffs Comment: Yes I also agree with these comments a bad mod (such as Pinky, Morgan, and Alan from the Kelly Clarkson Fan Club) can destroy a great atmosphere on the Boards. Luckily, they didnt last long on the KCFC, but unfortunately I was there to experience this awful treatment. Kelly Clarkson, herself, should be told of what happened to me, and how the criminal activities of her mods have negatively affected my entire life. I have people hacking me, and stalking me because of 3 corrupt moderators? How is that my fault? Those 3 moderators banned any sort of enthusiasm I had for Kellys music. They called me down, bullied me, and destroyed what could have been an excellent club. I know all of them have been caught now, but I feel as though the fan club could welcome me back to the site after all I do have the evidence, and they have also done this to many other people ( NOT JUST me)

In closing, it was also Morgan Plex, along with her partners in crime, Pinky and Alan that tried to destroy my life over on the Kelly Clarkson fan club two year ago. She had no reason to ban me. They all had no reason to do this to me. It seemed as if they just wanted to ban me just for the fun of it, just to exploit there authority. I also got a letter that said something to the effect of kellyclarkson.com is banning you effective immediately .I then ask them why??? And they said to me that they banned me Just in Case and I was like what does that mean Just in Case Just in case of what??? They never responded. The fans have to get the information to the artists of how the fans are being treated. Two years ago I was promised that I could come on the fan club in one year and I have been waiting and waiting for a response. This is how the echomusic message boards were all run at this time when these moderators ran havoc over good fans.

I will report this information because it is exactly what she did to me, and now I have a strong case against her, and the mods of the Kelly Clarkson Fan Club. EchoMusic and Kelly Clarkson MUST know about this before more of the fans of good music are hurt aimlessly.

Thank you for your time, and I hope you have read this over carefully,

Jeff

So there you have it, many many many people ( uncut and raw writings) from fans it happened to , the same moderators did the same things that happened to me to all of these people....

You can clearly see the same things that happened to me happened to all of these people. ALL if the writings on Morgan Plex are the same... and the fact she was fired for violating the sites policies should be a sign for people to understand that a lot of criminal activity was going on at Kellyclarkson.com. I tried to talk to her many times, and she wouldn't say anything. She's also a Criminal. I am pretty sure that Pinky was also fired around the same time as Morgan.

Someone needs to tell the truth as to what these mods did, and why they went on a banning spree, for no reason other then they wanted to ban... and the proven criminal history of Morgan that has been presented here also makes my case extremely strong.

How can all of these people, talking about the same people, and same issues all have the same problem I did. It could very well have been the word "bob" that got me banned, just as the word "peepsack" got this other guy banned.

I think bob was even more innocent then Peepsack.

Anyhow the anonymous person said I didn't address there comment and I a pretty sure I have addressed everything in this case.

If there is a question you need answered I can do that.

I just don't want to type too much more. ( I want to end this, but wanted to give the proof needed)

This is a lot of work to prove myself, but you asked if I had any proof so I have a lot of documents saved from the same time all of this criminal activity went down on these sites.

We are all good people, we just happened to get screwed over by echomusic and Morgan, Alan, Pinky and that is unacceptable behavior for fans sites.

All of this is documented on websites and it has the time and date and it shows what Alan and the mods are and were capable of.

I did not want to bring any of this up, but when Anonymous asked for proof ,and people are sitting back thinking hmmm I guess Jeff doesn't have any, that I had no choice but to give some of my proof, I may have more ,I am not sure, I just came across some proof in my old files.

It provides a huge wealth of proof, it is a huge pool of exposure the lies that were said about me.


Also the first case with the guy with the anxiety disorder that was banned hit way too close to home to not mention. In my opinion that guy was misunderstood, and that is why he said it was slander and hate, because to him and me it is, you may think you banned fairly, but I can assure the fan club and alan, pinky and morgan that they made a HUGE mistake in banning me and probably most of these people.

How can all of these people get banned for usernames? Why the criminal activity and firings of the mods? Why the hate of anxiety disorders? I feel so strongly for this kid, because I bet you ANYTHING he was not causing any harm and that he was just enthusiastic about Kelly.

When you have anxiety you say more online because you can't say it to anyone in person, most people get to say all of the things they have to say in person, so saying it online doesn't matter, but if you have anxiety you need to get out your feelings. The moderators did not understand that. Most people misunderstand because most people don't know what it is like to live with an anxiety disorder. They don't know not important it is to speak out.

Of course when we do speak out, it is not understood because people with anxiety need to get there point across no matter what.

That is because the anxiety consumes my body. If I don't get what happened through to people, then this had the potential of harming me further in serious , VERY SERIOUS, ways

So none of this is a joke.

The poor kid had an panic attack over it.

If you don't know what that is let me explain.

You feel like you are dying. Your heart beats and flutters and you fall on the ground and can't breathe. It is the closest thing to dying known to man.... and you may think it is silly for that to happen over a fansite, but it can EASILY happen. This is a disorder. It's doesn't MAKE sense.

If I could get ride of it I would

You have to understand I am trying to work this out.

This kid wanted more then anything for you guys to trust him and see what he did was not wrong.

Not everything the mods saw as "wrong" was wrong... they banned people left right and center for some of the smallest things such as saying bob or peeps.

Just listen, I don't want to type anymore about this.

Please.

For my sake, I want to move on, I want to be a great person in the world.

I just wrote 13 pages here, and it took me most of the day, so I clearly need to rest and get some sleep and take care of myself more then explain to you guys what happened on the site.

I just need some care and understanding and would like to bring this to a end as soon as possible.
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#204 Author of original report

Hey Noboby Important. Ya moving on. Thanks for your comment.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

To Nobody Important

First of all I think people matter and I think that you matter and I think probably are someone important.. ok?

Everyone SHOULD matter, and that's half of the point in all of this.

Ya I am really disgusted with the owner, and I would never go back on to cause trouble or to hurt Alan's feelings, I would never do that.

Your probably right though, I would never enjoy the site, especially with the stuff that was written on it.

Well ya, I know you can't really change what people thought happened.

I thought maybe if I stated my cause and was fully honest and caring to them they they might come around and admit what they had done, but I guess it's lost hope and I guess I can't really try any harder then I did.

I stated my cause and have shown a lot of people how these people treat others that was the main point, and I think it was clear here.

I just wanted to show people I am a good person.

That sometimes people assume and judge for the wrong reasons.

I was hurt, and I needed to express my feelings, to whoever cared to listen.

You might be No one important , but you did read it, and did respond and you do also seem to care, so I admire that.

Well the evidence they have is corrupt anyhow but you are not totally understanding why I wanted to go back. Ok ya, there was a lot of hate crimes which I pointed out, and I have been thinking , if they did them then, they would likely do them to me again now, and, well you can see the way they are all acting towards me, so ya, you probably are being more sensible.

The only reason I wanted to go back on was to basically say I fought this for 5 years and I won, I got treated with respect and the people on the site ended up really liking me. I don't want to be treated this way, and I wanted to get along with everyone from day one. I feel so misunderstood, that I was hoping for a second chance.

Well I went to university and am the #1 artist from it. I have a tremendous amount of skill, I am just really senstive and still feel I was treated in the worst ways.

So I guess you want me to be finished.

I have been told by my friends to just let it go.

And they do care... so all I can say to them and you and all of you is that, I have said what I needed to say.

I got a lot of it out, I felt attacked again, which is why I was talking about it so much, and they did say things to make me feel much too attacked.

I am sure the ban was a lot longer ago then that, but just relax.

I feel as though with my side told, that even Alan and the people he is surrounded by probably or should probably be thinking about what they did , there was a lot of shady stuff happening here, and I was defiantly the most innocent of the bunch.

Anyhow your post is more sensible and didn't seem to contain and put downs, which is nice for a change.

I am just going to move on from this, it didn't seem to make matters better and I don't think anyone is really understanding what happened much more clearly, though I did try to explain it all.

Thanks for writing anyhow.

Jeff
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just give it up jeff.

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

seriously. just give up. why's it worth all this energy when you have zero proof!

you're not going to get on. period.

you're not getting your money back. period.

just give up and go on with your life. or give us proof of all the allegations against you.

and i'm kinda pissed you didn't comment what i had to say.
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#206 Consumer Comment

why bother?

AUTHOR: Nobody Important - (U.S.A.)

Jeff, I've followed this report for a while, and it seems that you arent going to be let back on these websites.

Even if you were let back on the sites, why bother going back on them? If you are so disgusted with the owner and the things he "said" to you, you wouldn't enjoy being on the website. Youre being asinine with the situation, you can not change the past or these people's opinions, especially when you are analyzing every spelling error they have made.

I honestly believe you should move on with your life. Like you said, you went to college. Go find something you like to do, instead of bickering like a sophomore girl. It is the past, find something else to do with your time.

Some people might have sympathy for you, but the owners of these websites aren't going to let you back on their websites. They have chatlogs and tracking. What I do not understand is why you are trying to go back to sites with people who have committed "hate crimes" against you. Just forget about it, you wouldnt get along even if they took back every action they ever did to you. Alan and the other web hosts have other things to handle besides this issue, whic i believe the kellyville ban was in january 2006.
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Art, you need to get as far aways from Alan and his site as possible , for your sake, and warn children.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Hey Pinky? Is this you?

Man I hope so, I miss you.

I have tried to find you for 5 years.

What happened?

Why did you leave the website?

Are you ok?

Anyhow how come you said that I could come on the site in a year and then when I went to check with you you were gone???

Sorry this doesn't sound like Pinky, you are using putdowns.

I don't think Pinky would ever do that to me.

I just read the part in your response where you actually put me down for being a virgin. What is up with KCKellyville hating virgins?

Seriously you guys bring it up in every post and I think it shows your maturity level and also the fact that you are stalkers.

What do you mean sites like this are best to work? I am a genuine Kelly fan!

I have all the kelly cd's and dvds's and shirts. She RAWKS my SOX!

Ok well if you got to know Alan because of me then that's cool with me.

I guess a good thank you every once in a while is a good thing to have even when dealing with this.

Well I heard one other guy was banned that I was hoping would post on here just to see if we can find out what was going on with the staff at Kellyville, but I know I wasn't the only one banned but I feel like it... you know? I am a sensitive guy. I can't remember you that well. I miss Pinky.

He was the only good one. He said I never did anything wrong. He was nice, or at least I felt he was.

My life is based on care and love for other people, not anything like you said. That's like me saying listen Art your life is based on hamburgers, your entire life revolves solely on hamburgers. Hopefully that is not the case but I am saying that just to show you how ridiculous you look in your posting.

And please don't use violent language like SMACK IN THE FACE. I don't need any violent behavior coming from Kellyville. I have seen a lot of hate crimes come from that site and I just wish it would stop.

If you guys are so family friendly what are you doing stalking and harassing constantly? Why the violent nature?

You sound a lot like Alan with your putdowns.

I think they must put you through an intense putdown school in order to work at KCkellyville because I have not had one staff member be nice so me. Pinky was nice, but it's funny we don't hear from the nice ones

I am not going to address every put down you are making here but it's just insane how you would do that to any fellow human being I find you and Alan very sick and disgusting.

Five years was my guestimation dude. Get over it, you and your stupid math skills are really bogus. You are Just trying to find something again that is not there. You pick fun at my math, because you can't pick fun at anything else. Like Alan being obsessed with cucumbers and virgins, I just don't get it, but he has to add that to every post.

Sorry but I never chatted anywhere with you Art.

Ohhhhhh Artttttt

You b*****d.

I freaking remember you now.. Sorry man but you were a really gross and sick kid.

I am kinda glad everyone is writing in, (other then you) it's like an old family reunion of sorts, but I still miss Pinky.

You were one of the bad guys Art. I am sorry to say, but I remember a lot of stuff that happened with you and you were very sick, gross, shady, you name it, you were not at all a good person.

You are making up lies again? When was the first lie? Or do you always lie? I think you do

OK first of all it's not ok to talk sex and just not have sex with them that's a full out lie. That is not at all true and I think its sick!!!!!

Lets face it, how many times did you say that you had sex with a cucumber? Ya, tell me, because you said it A LOT of times and I remember that very well.

What CSI? You and Alan make stuff up out of NOWHERE

I seriously have never even watched one episode of CSI, never will

You think people that watch it are stupid?

Why?

Just because you watch a TV show does not make you stupid.

What is an attorney by video education anyhow? Makes no sense.

Like I told everyone I don't want the children Alan knows and loves to talk to me

I didn't want you stalking me Art.

Porn? what the hell.
No I don't even have any porn.

All you talked about to me is watching illegal porn, that you loved it and you wanted me to watch it. I wanted nothing to do with you or what illegal activity you and Alan were involved with the children of the site.

Man I don't even want to know what you did.... that is a whole other case the US police can investigate on you guys.

This is such BS it's not worth responding too. and your the one saying you did grandmas not me. you said you did dogs and all kids of illegal things. I don't know if you really did that or not but it was really really sick.

Like I said before the site was 100% safe with me there as it was without me there. You guys just wanted to play a game with me.

I know what you were doing and how fun you thought it was to play with me, you both were perverted. Very perverted.

Why could you not stop telling those girls such disgusting things?

I did not respect you for doing that and no one ever will!!!!

So you were posing as a girl?

Man you are the biggest liar in the history of the world.

Seriously I don't know where to even begin with you.

I knew you guys were phonies and were working for Alan the whole time.

I knew you were sick in the head.

I knew it.

Art I doubt if you ever had or will have a girlfriend in your life from the things you told me you did to others and to anything were just sick, you wanted me to be more disgusting like you but I wouldn't and you got mad.

And as for the wanting me to like your friends, well I asked them if they were over 18 and they both said yes they were.

You said they were single and over 18... now you are saying they were not, so I knew that would probably happen.

Hell no, I never asked none of Alans underage girls out on dates at all. How can you even say that.????

Also did you tell everyone the facts about them asking me for nude pics of me and them wanting me to talk dirty to them, openly asking me to do this stuff... which I did not do, but they openly asked me to say gross things.

I didn't want to say anything, but they kept pressuring me .

They asked and asked me.

They wanted me to say bad things, I never did, but they did, and they said how many guys they did a night, and they said so many more disgusting things to me, things I could never repeat here.

It was just too sick, and they asked me if I would like to do this sick stuff and I said no way I would never do that.

Sorry but it was you guys and Alan that were the bad ones here. You can say all you like but you are wrong. I remember what you guys did and said to me

We talked for a year! You were one of the people I was going to call the police about. Your sick ways were just too awful for me to even comprehend and I thought you were going to hurt someone.

Hey you yourself gave me all the sexual threats in the book

You kept telling me what to try and what to do and really disgusting things... I mean I always wanted to stop talking to you but then you would say if I stayed you would ask alan if I could come back on the site.

You always said please stay if you do Alan will let you on the site.

That was just wrong, because I stayed and was nice to you for a year or so and you never did anything to help me.

You were working for Alan and this is what I mean, Alan gets kids , underage children do to his dirty work and it is just wrong wrong wrong and is really sick too.

Art, like I said before to Alan and the other people putting me down, is the fact that you don't know me. You are very fast to judge. I bet you anything that if we were in the same room you and me would get along and probably become great friends.

I dunno that for sure, but over the internet people get misunderstood and I was in this case.

I basically feel like you guys have all scammed me.

You knew what you were doing Art.

I had a feeling you were scamming me, saying you knew Alan and then offering up girls to me so strangely like that was very very off putting and sick.

You wanted me to say what? You were always asking me sexual things. I never wanted to talk about sexual things, but you all insisted night after night we HAD to talk about sexual things. I am not even that kind of guy!!!!!

BUT because you said you would talk to Alan about the site I put up with your deviant behavior.

Actually I would turn the pathetic loser comment around on you because I truly always felt you were, and always will be. You were always disgusting, and in my opinion Kellyville should fire you for doing what you did to me.

Alan should be fired too but it's his site and he probably would not fire himself.

The children thanked Alan because they believed his lies and nothing more.
Children will believe anything, which is why Alan posted about me, he knows the adults really won't care about it, but that the kids will really listen to it and then go after me, he also posted a lot of sexual comments in with it, in my opinion so he could easily start up sexual conversations with them.

Just as you were always talking sexual.

Youre just a sick sick sick deviant kid that works for Alan... Alan only has kids working for him, so it is quite sick.

Why are you taunting me saying things such as REMEMBER ME" it's like you are some crazed killer.

You are clearly mentally disturbed Art.

I would suggest you try to get help and stop talking about what you do with fruits and vegetables.

I think all of the bad stuff I have to say about you will never fit on the internet ( lucky for you)

There is too much to say about you Art. You make Alan look decent, meaning your really really sick, a complete pervert, and you have always stalked me.

I wish you would stop.

You didn't need to join me and Alan on here

We were in the process of trying to work things out and then you come on here and offer nothing more then act like a kid on too much candy trying to make me look bad

I know Alan knows all of these young kids and I know he sent you on sick sexually perverse mission.

You can be happy on Kellyville without me.

I also want to say that I think the reason you yourself do not like me, is because you believed Alan's lies.

You chose to believe it, you would believe anything he says.

He has this whole world of young children under the palm of his hand. And uses them in many ways.

Even you are have been used by him, you just can't see it because you are too close to the situation to look outside of it and see what he is actually doing to you

Sorry I wish I could help you all out but you can't see it,

This site is a cult.

It takes kids in and doesn't let them get out.

You also believe it's the best thing to ever happen to you but you are not looking at what is happening to you.

You have been forced to talk sexually, first of all.
You have been trained to harass, putdown, and stalk.

You guys are just a bad cult of sick people that need a lot of help

I wish I could help you, man, but you don't see the light.

I tried to be nice to you many times but you wanted to stick with Alan and the kids, so that is your life, I would say to get as far from that site or Alan as possible, there should not be any kids working for him, and if you need help getting out of this group call the cops and get out of it

I know you think it is a great place and that Alan provides you with friends, but I think it's dangerous to be in this.

I don't believe in something that teaching crime to children.

I have seen him teach hate and lies and cheating and everything that is negative to you Art.

And I never wanted you to go down the wrong path.

If you need help, you know what to do.

Try to be a better person Art... don't do any more crimes ok?

Jeff

PS: Art your posting was so mangled and all over the place. I hope you are ok. I see this site as being of great harm to you. I know you were trying to hurt me when we talked, but I thought at times, we were friends, and if you ever need me to help you get away from this cult that has brainwashed you and your freinds you can always count on me.

Sorry that you believed his lies to begin with and that it stemmed to you getting involved.

I didn't want any kids involved in this. Alan tried to involve all of them, to try and make me look bad, but when you try to get children to do sexual things, like what was done here with you and your freinds, it is never good.

Did Alan ask you to say all of these sexual things to me? Or did you guys make it up on your own?

Please give me the truth.

thanks
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Jeff's response to Alan's response of Robert's response. Alan is not responding to Jeff response. My most heartful, most open, and honest response. In hopes of healing all.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

So Alan you have started your reply with a major contradiction. You agree with Robert that men only want woman for sex, but then you do ease off that suggestion later on but the fact that you said you agree is not at all what a good person would say. I disagree with the notion that guys only want woman for sex. think woman are wonderful and are not mere sex- objects. I think that a lot of men respect woman a lot more then you and Robert do.

I have actually never heard of anything this sick or twisted in my life.

Ok if your being sincere Alan, on this one tiny thing, I am going to say that I agree with you here, that men and woman can be friends mutual friends.

At least I am man enough to admit I can agree with someone who wants to fully destroy me.

Now I don't want to hurt you or make you upset, I want to be your friend, and I wanted to work things out with you.

That's the main goal, just to work it out.

The name-calling that seems to have started here is no good for both of us.

I think, maybe, that we should get back to the issue here.

Ya Kelly has a lot of nice and sweet older guy fans, I am not the oldest of the guy fans, there are many older ones, like 50 years old even... some maybe older then that.

Come on Alan enough lies! Get to the bottom of this. You know you did a lot to me; you have to know what you did.

Please admit it.

Ya well you would know about predators game rooms. Is that why you started the Kelly site in the first place? Was it so YOU could hang out with tons of children? I have to ask myself that question because I saw you with them, and saw you have them stalk me, and how you have them talk to me on msn. I don't think any of these girls would have talked to me if it was not for you encouraging it.

Alan, you can trust me.

Seriously.!

Right now.!

You can trust me 100%.!
I am not this guy you thought I was, I know what you did to me, and you THINK you know what I did , but the facts are that you don't know me, and you fully and completely misunderstood every word and action I did while I knew you. And also admit to everyone that we were pretty close friends ( online ) from the site before this started. You knew me and you even liked me, until something strange happened and you turned against me and used the children as your weapons. I do not appreciate the tactics you used here.

I can RANT all I like, this is my rip off report, and the more you say the more I have to explain about you. I remember the msn chats, the things that were said, ect ect ect.

What are you saying about me Alan? I denied your lies because they are lies. The proof you so desperately wanted was not even close to being in any of those posts. Like I said I know most of the managers of those websites and they not only didn't ban me but they loved my posts, so when you thought you got all the dirt you could find and didn't find anything . A lot of these managers that you claim banned me are my freinds!!!!!! We just laugh at it because you are making yourself look so ridiculous. All you are doing is making my posts extremely popular.

I know I wanted it removed and still would like it removed just due to the slander act, but if you don't want to then there is always the positive side that people will get to read my writing, and hopefully will enjoy it, however those posts are probably some of the ones Alan thought were a bit more racy then the billions of posts he sifted through to find anything slightly naughty on me. That stuff is just not out there... sorry Alan has looked; he has searched a lot of his life to find things on me. He got kids to do the dirty work, he went the full nine yards with manipulation and had tried to frame me of course, but I will not accept that attempt to make me appear like he wants me to appear.

Maybe if we are lucky, not that I know this guy, but I talked to a guy, that had the same thing happen by Alan as what happened to me, so possibly, he may get word of this report and will give you the lowdown on Alan.

From what he told me he went through a lot of the hatred and the stalking that Alan did to me.

Like I said it's possible we could hear from this guy, but maybe not. He was banned unfairly however, and he did talk to me a bit about Alan's conduct with the children of the site, because that would have really opened this case up in my favor.

Oh gosh Alan, insurance risk my butt. Like I said you have me all wrong about the stuff you thought happened. Gosh what about you meeting these girls off the net? Did you tell anyone about what you have done? What interaction you have with kids would probably make everyone shiver with disgust.

Alan just to make this clear again, and you never actually listen but the fan club was not in the least worried about my conduct on the fan club, they were on my side, most of the time, we did all try to get along, Alan was a bit harder to deal with, but Pinky wrote me, and again said I WAS ALLOWED ON THE FAN CLUB IN A YEAR AND THAT I WAS BANNED JUST IN CASE. He said to me in a letter I DID NOTHING WRONG on the site, BUT they just had to ban just in case. In case of what, I never found out. That is what I was told, by the manager. That is all that was said. Whatever you are adding to this is not valid.

All we know is #1 Pinky Lied.
And #2 "I did NOTHING wrong"

Alan I can assure you 20000000000% I am harmless in person. I swear to God. I go to church all week, the people know me there, they love me, and they don't want to see any of this happen to me. I pray for this all so have a peaceful and even kind solution and end. I love everyone and people took that the wrong way, I was trying to be as sweet and kind to as many people as possible and it was misunderstood

This is no rant this is how I truly feel and this is my true feeling flowing from me. I am very very sensitive and rarely have the energy to talk to anyone on the best of days.

Don't make me into something I am not, please.

When you say I offered excuses, I am sorry, but at that time I was trying to make you understand me better. I was not trying to make excuses I was trying to offer you a better understanding of who I am.

The banning stuff was really hard on me, not because I needed to be on the site for any reason other then it was great to talk about great music, but the main reason I have been so persistent in this case is because I feel I have been misunderstood. I feel that the little "clues" Alan thought he had were nothing more then him thinking he was tracking down a bad person... but the thing is he was dealing with a great person, a really sensitive and kind and loving guy that wouldn't hurt a fly.

People on the internet have no real way of knowing who I am, other then though the typing, which I like to do, it's pretty obvious I like to type out my feelings. I do this because I can not speak them out in public, so that is another thing about me that Alan overlooked.

If he tried just a bit harder, he would have seen the good guy in me, well the amazing guy in me. I ,like anyone, am not perfect.

When I was growing up, my Mom always used to say, Jeff, you are perfect, just perfect. That was not a good thing for anyone to hear, because no one is perfect. Not even me, I try to be perfect but because no one can be, I fall short of perfection even though I try.

I know I am not perfect, but want the one person who is perfect to come on here and judge me. If you are 100% perfect everyday of your life, have not done drugs, smoked, no sex, no parties come on here and put me down... I honestly have done none of those things I have just mentioned.

I am not proud of not doing all of those things, because you need to do some of them in order to have a good life, and I know I need to be more imperfect.

I was not totally perfect on these sites. I think I was a bit too excited to be a Kelly fan at times.

I have grown up a lot since then. I am still a big fan but if I had to do it all over again, there is no doubt this situation everyone has heard about from both sides would NOT have happened. I would have been quiet, like the person I am, and everything would have gone really well.

I wish I could go back in time to fix it all, I wish.

I am really sensitive to the whole thing, more so then Alan, he is a guy of the streets or something, he has a heart of stone, he can't see how much I want to make this right.

Please listen, I don't want to argue this any more.

I don't want to type even one more word about it ( I will if I have to) but the point is, I am human, and we are ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL misunderstood at some times in our life right?

I really do care about Alan and Pinky (whereever he went) and every single Kelly fan I think you rock! I think Kelly is the bomb; I would do ANYTHING to get along with you all!!!

Listen, Alan has no real emotions for me other then hate, but I want to find some light at the end of the tunnel.

What can we do to have something positive come from this?

What can we learn, what can we change, and what can we fix so that things are better for the next person?

I want to leave this rip off report with a great spirit, I want to feel love, I want to feel inspired to go off and do great things.

For the people that commented asking questions, I just want to say that I understand why you had them, and I want you to understand myself, and not just as a guy who likes to type stuff online.

I am a real person....I know when you stop to realize that, this all seems so different. If I could I would meet everyone that posted and just hang out for coffee and just try to let them see the real me. Remember I was hacked and stalked and put down for every year of the last 5 years.

This was not something I wanted, or tried to make happen.

Like I said, I would do anything to reverse it, or go back in time and change it. I can assure you it would all be cleared up and not happen if that was the case, but you can't change the past, and the future is what we need to look at.

I wish Alan was not so stubborn.

He could really help change things, but he doesn't want to help a great guy (me). But I want to say that Alan can always e mail me if he would like to apologize to me in private, as long as there are no more put downs.

Sorry I got pretty emotional there but this whole thing is a huge trauma for me.

I am not like everyone else. I asked the fan club many times to help me, because I needed help. If they only would have seen me for who I was, they would have been able to see a wonderful guy with the biggest heart they would have ever seen.

Sorry, I was 25 when this happened and not 30 like you said in your last paragraph so please don't lie about that too. I have not had the chance to grow up like other people normally do. I am at a very young age, and I want to learn to grow further. When I was 25 I was at the same level as the average age of the people on the site. I felt I fit right in. In the meantime people are reading that I am a lot older then they are, and I think that is probably the main issue that Alan did not understand. I am 31 now, but I have done nothing most 30 year olds have done. Yes I want to do all of that stuff, nothing bad but I want to do things normal adults do. I want to grow up, I want to get married, and I hope I can find a special person out there for me.

When I said there was Ageism used against me, I meant that in those terms that I was older and I stood out like a sore thumb. People saw the age and I was instantly scorned. A lot of people lashed out at me, much like the guy on here that thought all guys go online for sex, that was not the case for me (and should not be for anyone) but when people say 25 or 26 or 27 or whatever age I was back then (I think 25) I was older then they the majority of the fans. Remember this was when Kelly just won Idol, she was younger, I was too, but her fans were younger still, she didn't have the fan base like she has now.

If I joined the fan club now there would not be an issue because the fans are so diverse, but back then the fans were younger, and I didn't even consider that they were. It didn't cross my mind until I was banned and my age difference alone was probably was the main issue.

Also Alan in your last paragraph there are a lot of things that I just want to make clear are untrue. The virgin thing was just part of who I am, I didn't talk about it. Also didn't ask for pics or talk to the girls unless you wanted me to talk to them.

The girl that claimed I said to dump someone for me was totally not giving us the truth. Alan I think you were on the site at the same time she was asking me if she was hot and sexy and I said no, you are not.

Also just to clear things up further and I don't know why Alan is lying , but we have seen him lie a lot throughout all of this , but anyhow I never drew a nude Kelly and never will, I have heard there are a ton of nude Kelly pics, but I never drew a nude Kelly pic, the pic you are claiming is some asicci thing, which I do not even know what that means was from a doll site on the internet. If you don't like that, you can go to the website that made it and ask them why they had it up, but I had nothing to do with it.

I wish you would not assume things. It makes you look really really desperate, and it makes you look very silly and stupid.

Actually Alan, you may claim that people would want there daughters to stay away from me but as long as they are adults, I think parents would LOVE for there daughters to know me. I am seriously the guy that parents would love to have marry there daughter, so I think your claims they wouldn't totally want me to marry there daughter are false . IF I could talk to people, I think that most parents would think I was great. I don't do drugs, drink , smoke, no sex, no parties, no negative stuff.

Just don't assume you know everything about me all the time, you have your opinions of me and I have some about you... but lets axe the b.s. and try to care for each other.

Oh and Alan I think you are a danger to children, so I would like to say that while I want to be your friend, I don't agree with what you did to the kids on your site at all, and I don't agree with what you did to me on it as well.

I think it is VERY VERY clear from this post in particular that I know exactly what happened here. I can see what happened here, and I know for a fact what did happen here.

I can certainly see the problem I had on the site and why it did happen.

I am certainly not the guy you make me out to be, and like I said before I am honestly as dangerous and a sleeping kitten, meaning you could not get a more sweet, kind and more lovable, caring and all around kind hearted guy then me...say what you will everyone, but I think I have shown once and for all the true and real me.

Please give me a new beginning and stop condemning me.

Thanks

Jeff

P.S : Alan I can see the need for you to defend yourself after I have written up this report, much of which has to do with you, but I also want to tell you that you do not have to make up anything in order to get your point across.

Also as you can see my honesty in this post I would aspect that I would get the favor back, in your next post ( even though you are saying you will not respond to me) but if you do respond to anyone, I would really appreciate some real honesty and some real care put into your words as I have shown here. Thanks again.
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AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

So Alan you have started your reply with a major contradiction. You agree with Robert that men only want woman for sex, but then you do ease off that suggestion later on but the fact that you said you agree is not at all what a good person would say. I disagree with the notion that guys only want woman for sex. think woman are wonderful and are not mere sex- objects. I think that a lot of men respect woman a lot more then you and Robert do.

I have actually never heard of anything this sick or twisted in my life.

Ok if your being sincere Alan, on this one tiny thing, I am going to say that I agree with you here, that men and woman can be friends mutual friends.

At least I am man enough to admit I can agree with someone who wants to fully destroy me.

Now I don't want to hurt you or make you upset, I want to be your friend, and I wanted to work things out with you.

That's the main goal, just to work it out.

The name-calling that seems to have started here is no good for both of us.

I think, maybe, that we should get back to the issue here.

Ya Kelly has a lot of nice and sweet older guy fans, I am not the oldest of the guy fans, there are many older ones, like 50 years old even... some maybe older then that.

Come on Alan enough lies! Get to the bottom of this. You know you did a lot to me; you have to know what you did.

Please admit it.

Ya well you would know about predators game rooms. Is that why you started the Kelly site in the first place? Was it so YOU could hang out with tons of children? I have to ask myself that question because I saw you with them, and saw you have them stalk me, and how you have them talk to me on msn. I don't think any of these girls would have talked to me if it was not for you encouraging it.

Alan, you can trust me.

Seriously.!

Right now.!

You can trust me 100%.!
I am not this guy you thought I was, I know what you did to me, and you THINK you know what I did , but the facts are that you don't know me, and you fully and completely misunderstood every word and action I did while I knew you. And also admit to everyone that we were pretty close friends ( online ) from the site before this started. You knew me and you even liked me, until something strange happened and you turned against me and used the children as your weapons. I do not appreciate the tactics you used here.

I can RANT all I like, this is my rip off report, and the more you say the more I have to explain about you. I remember the msn chats, the things that were said, ect ect ect.

What are you saying about me Alan? I denied your lies because they are lies. The proof you so desperately wanted was not even close to being in any of those posts. Like I said I know most of the managers of those websites and they not only didn't ban me but they loved my posts, so when you thought you got all the dirt you could find and didn't find anything . A lot of these managers that you claim banned me are my freinds!!!!!! We just laugh at it because you are making yourself look so ridiculous. All you are doing is making my posts extremely popular.

I know I wanted it removed and still would like it removed just due to the slander act, but if you don't want to then there is always the positive side that people will get to read my writing, and hopefully will enjoy it, however those posts are probably some of the ones Alan thought were a bit more racy then the billions of posts he sifted through to find anything slightly naughty on me. That stuff is just not out there... sorry Alan has looked; he has searched a lot of his life to find things on me. He got kids to do the dirty work, he went the full nine yards with manipulation and had tried to frame me of course, but I will not accept that attempt to make me appear like he wants me to appear.

Maybe if we are lucky, not that I know this guy, but I talked to a guy, that had the same thing happen by Alan as what happened to me, so possibly, he may get word of this report and will give you the lowdown on Alan.

From what he told me he went through a lot of the hatred and the stalking that Alan did to me.

Like I said it's possible we could hear from this guy, but maybe not. He was banned unfairly however, and he did talk to me a bit about Alan's conduct with the children of the site, because that would have really opened this case up in my favor.

Oh gosh Alan, insurance risk my butt. Like I said you have me all wrong about the stuff you thought happened. Gosh what about you meeting these girls off the net? Did you tell anyone about what you have done? What interaction you have with kids would probably make everyone shiver with disgust.

Alan just to make this clear again, and you never actually listen but the fan club was not in the least worried about my conduct on the fan club, they were on my side, most of the time, we did all try to get along, Alan was a bit harder to deal with, but Pinky wrote me, and again said I WAS ALLOWED ON THE FAN CLUB IN A YEAR AND THAT I WAS BANNED JUST IN CASE. He said to me in a letter I DID NOTHING WRONG on the site, BUT they just had to ban just in case. In case of what, I never found out. That is what I was told, by the manager. That is all that was said. Whatever you are adding to this is not valid.

All we know is #1 Pinky Lied.
And #2 "I did NOTHING wrong"

Alan I can assure you 20000000000% I am harmless in person. I swear to God. I go to church all week, the people know me there, they love me, and they don't want to see any of this happen to me. I pray for this all so have a peaceful and even kind solution and end. I love everyone and people took that the wrong way, I was trying to be as sweet and kind to as many people as possible and it was misunderstood

This is no rant this is how I truly feel and this is my true feeling flowing from me. I am very very sensitive and rarely have the energy to talk to anyone on the best of days.

Don't make me into something I am not, please.

When you say I offered excuses, I am sorry, but at that time I was trying to make you understand me better. I was not trying to make excuses I was trying to offer you a better understanding of who I am.

The banning stuff was really hard on me, not because I needed to be on the site for any reason other then it was great to talk about great music, but the main reason I have been so persistent in this case is because I feel I have been misunderstood. I feel that the little "clues" Alan thought he had were nothing more then him thinking he was tracking down a bad person... but the thing is he was dealing with a great person, a really sensitive and kind and loving guy that wouldn't hurt a fly.

People on the internet have no real way of knowing who I am, other then though the typing, which I like to do, it's pretty obvious I like to type out my feelings. I do this because I can not speak them out in public, so that is another thing about me that Alan overlooked.

If he tried just a bit harder, he would have seen the good guy in me, well the amazing guy in me. I ,like anyone, am not perfect.

When I was growing up, my Mom always used to say, Jeff, you are perfect, just perfect. That was not a good thing for anyone to hear, because no one is perfect. Not even me, I try to be perfect but because no one can be, I fall short of perfection even though I try.

I know I am not perfect, but want the one person who is perfect to come on here and judge me. If you are 100% perfect everyday of your life, have not done drugs, smoked, no sex, no parties come on here and put me down... I honestly have done none of those things I have just mentioned.

I am not proud of not doing all of those things, because you need to do some of them in order to have a good life, and I know I need to be more imperfect.

I was not totally perfect on these sites. I think I was a bit too excited to be a Kelly fan at times.

I have grown up a lot since then. I am still a big fan but if I had to do it all over again, there is no doubt this situation everyone has heard about from both sides would NOT have happened. I would have been quiet, like the person I am, and everything would have gone really well.

I wish I could go back in time to fix it all, I wish.

I am really sensitive to the whole thing, more so then Alan, he is a guy of the streets or something, he has a heart of stone, he can't see how much I want to make this right.

Please listen, I don't want to argue this any more.

I don't want to type even one more word about it ( I will if I have to) but the point is, I am human, and we are ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL misunderstood at some times in our life right?

I really do care about Alan and Pinky (whereever he went) and every single Kelly fan I think you rock! I think Kelly is the bomb; I would do ANYTHING to get along with you all!!!

Listen, Alan has no real emotions for me other then hate, but I want to find some light at the end of the tunnel.

What can we do to have something positive come from this?

What can we learn, what can we change, and what can we fix so that things are better for the next person?

I want to leave this rip off report with a great spirit, I want to feel love, I want to feel inspired to go off and do great things.

For the people that commented asking questions, I just want to say that I understand why you had them, and I want you to understand myself, and not just as a guy who likes to type stuff online.

I am a real person....I know when you stop to realize that, this all seems so different. If I could I would meet everyone that posted and just hang out for coffee and just try to let them see the real me. Remember I was hacked and stalked and put down for every year of the last 5 years.

This was not something I wanted, or tried to make happen.

Like I said, I would do anything to reverse it, or go back in time and change it. I can assure you it would all be cleared up and not happen if that was the case, but you can't change the past, and the future is what we need to look at.

I wish Alan was not so stubborn.

He could really help change things, but he doesn't want to help a great guy (me). But I want to say that Alan can always e mail me if he would like to apologize to me in private, as long as there are no more put downs.

Sorry I got pretty emotional there but this whole thing is a huge trauma for me.

I am not like everyone else. I asked the fan club many times to help me, because I needed help. If they only would have seen me for who I was, they would have been able to see a wonderful guy with the biggest heart they would have ever seen.

Sorry, I was 25 when this happened and not 30 like you said in your last paragraph so please don't lie about that too. I have not had the chance to grow up like other people normally do. I am at a very young age, and I want to learn to grow further. When I was 25 I was at the same level as the average age of the people on the site. I felt I fit right in. In the meantime people are reading that I am a lot older then they are, and I think that is probably the main issue that Alan did not understand. I am 31 now, but I have done nothing most 30 year olds have done. Yes I want to do all of that stuff, nothing bad but I want to do things normal adults do. I want to grow up, I want to get married, and I hope I can find a special person out there for me.

When I said there was Ageism used against me, I meant that in those terms that I was older and I stood out like a sore thumb. People saw the age and I was instantly scorned. A lot of people lashed out at me, much like the guy on here that thought all guys go online for sex, that was not the case for me (and should not be for anyone) but when people say 25 or 26 or 27 or whatever age I was back then (I think 25) I was older then they the majority of the fans. Remember this was when Kelly just won Idol, she was younger, I was too, but her fans were younger still, she didn't have the fan base like she has now.

If I joined the fan club now there would not be an issue because the fans are so diverse, but back then the fans were younger, and I didn't even consider that they were. It didn't cross my mind until I was banned and my age difference alone was probably was the main issue.

Also Alan in your last paragraph there are a lot of things that I just want to make clear are untrue. The virgin thing was just part of who I am, I didn't talk about it. Also didn't ask for pics or talk to the girls unless you wanted me to talk to them.

The girl that claimed I said to dump someone for me was totally not giving us the truth. Alan I think you were on the site at the same time she was asking me if she was hot and sexy and I said no, you are not.

Also just to clear things up further and I don't know why Alan is lying , but we have seen him lie a lot throughout all of this , but anyhow I never drew a nude Kelly and never will, I have heard there are a ton of nude Kelly pics, but I never drew a nude Kelly pic, the pic you are claiming is some asicci thing, which I do not even know what that means was from a doll site on the internet. If you don't like that, you can go to the website that made it and ask them why they had it up, but I had nothing to do with it.

I wish you would not assume things. It makes you look really really desperate, and it makes you look very silly and stupid.

Actually Alan, you may claim that people would want there daughters to stay away from me but as long as they are adults, I think parents would LOVE for there daughters to know me. I am seriously the guy that parents would love to have marry there daughter, so I think your claims they wouldn't totally want me to marry there daughter are false . IF I could talk to people, I think that most parents would think I was great. I don't do drugs, drink , smoke, no sex, no parties, no negative stuff.

Just don't assume you know everything about me all the time, you have your opinions of me and I have some about you... but lets axe the b.s. and try to care for each other.

Oh and Alan I think you are a danger to children, so I would like to say that while I want to be your friend, I don't agree with what you did to the kids on your site at all, and I don't agree with what you did to me on it as well.

I think it is VERY VERY clear from this post in particular that I know exactly what happened here. I can see what happened here, and I know for a fact what did happen here.

I can certainly see the problem I had on the site and why it did happen.

I am certainly not the guy you make me out to be, and like I said before I am honestly as dangerous and a sleeping kitten, meaning you could not get a more sweet, kind and more lovable, caring and all around kind hearted guy then me...say what you will everyone, but I think I have shown once and for all the true and real me.

Please give me a new beginning and stop condemning me.

Thanks

Jeff

P.S : Alan I can see the need for you to defend yourself after I have written up this report, much of which has to do with you, but I also want to tell you that you do not have to make up anything in order to get your point across.

Also as you can see my honesty in this post I would aspect that I would get the favor back, in your next post ( even though you are saying you will not respond to me) but if you do respond to anyone, I would really appreciate some real honesty and some real care put into your words as I have shown here. Thanks again.
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Jeff's response to Alan's response of Robert's response. Alan is not responding to Jeff response. My most heartful, most open, and honest response. In hopes of healing all.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

So Alan you have started your reply with a major contradiction. You agree with Robert that men only want woman for sex, but then you do ease off that suggestion later on but the fact that you said you agree is not at all what a good person would say. I disagree with the notion that guys only want woman for sex. think woman are wonderful and are not mere sex- objects. I think that a lot of men respect woman a lot more then you and Robert do.

I have actually never heard of anything this sick or twisted in my life.

Ok if your being sincere Alan, on this one tiny thing, I am going to say that I agree with you here, that men and woman can be friends mutual friends.

At least I am man enough to admit I can agree with someone who wants to fully destroy me.

Now I don't want to hurt you or make you upset, I want to be your friend, and I wanted to work things out with you.

That's the main goal, just to work it out.

The name-calling that seems to have started here is no good for both of us.

I think, maybe, that we should get back to the issue here.

Ya Kelly has a lot of nice and sweet older guy fans, I am not the oldest of the guy fans, there are many older ones, like 50 years old even... some maybe older then that.

Come on Alan enough lies! Get to the bottom of this. You know you did a lot to me; you have to know what you did.

Please admit it.

Ya well you would know about predators game rooms. Is that why you started the Kelly site in the first place? Was it so YOU could hang out with tons of children? I have to ask myself that question because I saw you with them, and saw you have them stalk me, and how you have them talk to me on msn. I don't think any of these girls would have talked to me if it was not for you encouraging it.

Alan, you can trust me.

Seriously.!

Right now.!

You can trust me 100%.!
I am not this guy you thought I was, I know what you did to me, and you THINK you know what I did , but the facts are that you don't know me, and you fully and completely misunderstood every word and action I did while I knew you. And also admit to everyone that we were pretty close friends ( online ) from the site before this started. You knew me and you even liked me, until something strange happened and you turned against me and used the children as your weapons. I do not appreciate the tactics you used here.

I can RANT all I like, this is my rip off report, and the more you say the more I have to explain about you. I remember the msn chats, the things that were said, ect ect ect.

What are you saying about me Alan? I denied your lies because they are lies. The proof you so desperately wanted was not even close to being in any of those posts. Like I said I know most of the managers of those websites and they not only didn't ban me but they loved my posts, so when you thought you got all the dirt you could find and didn't find anything . A lot of these managers that you claim banned me are my freinds!!!!!! We just laugh at it because you are making yourself look so ridiculous. All you are doing is making my posts extremely popular.

I know I wanted it removed and still would like it removed just due to the slander act, but if you don't want to then there is always the positive side that people will get to read my writing, and hopefully will enjoy it, however those posts are probably some of the ones Alan thought were a bit more racy then the billions of posts he sifted through to find anything slightly naughty on me. That stuff is just not out there... sorry Alan has looked; he has searched a lot of his life to find things on me. He got kids to do the dirty work, he went the full nine yards with manipulation and had tried to frame me of course, but I will not accept that attempt to make me appear like he wants me to appear.

Maybe if we are lucky, not that I know this guy, but I talked to a guy, that had the same thing happen by Alan as what happened to me, so possibly, he may get word of this report and will give you the lowdown on Alan.

From what he told me he went through a lot of the hatred and the stalking that Alan did to me.

Like I said it's possible we could hear from this guy, but maybe not. He was banned unfairly however, and he did talk to me a bit about Alan's conduct with the children of the site, because that would have really opened this case up in my favor.

Oh gosh Alan, insurance risk my butt. Like I said you have me all wrong about the stuff you thought happened. Gosh what about you meeting these girls off the net? Did you tell anyone about what you have done? What interaction you have with kids would probably make everyone shiver with disgust.

Alan just to make this clear again, and you never actually listen but the fan club was not in the least worried about my conduct on the fan club, they were on my side, most of the time, we did all try to get along, Alan was a bit harder to deal with, but Pinky wrote me, and again said I WAS ALLOWED ON THE FAN CLUB IN A YEAR AND THAT I WAS BANNED JUST IN CASE. He said to me in a letter I DID NOTHING WRONG on the site, BUT they just had to ban just in case. In case of what, I never found out. That is what I was told, by the manager. That is all that was said. Whatever you are adding to this is not valid.

All we know is #1 Pinky Lied.
And #2 "I did NOTHING wrong"

Alan I can assure you 20000000000% I am harmless in person. I swear to God. I go to church all week, the people know me there, they love me, and they don't want to see any of this happen to me. I pray for this all so have a peaceful and even kind solution and end. I love everyone and people took that the wrong way, I was trying to be as sweet and kind to as many people as possible and it was misunderstood

This is no rant this is how I truly feel and this is my true feeling flowing from me. I am very very sensitive and rarely have the energy to talk to anyone on the best of days.

Don't make me into something I am not, please.

When you say I offered excuses, I am sorry, but at that time I was trying to make you understand me better. I was not trying to make excuses I was trying to offer you a better understanding of who I am.

The banning stuff was really hard on me, not because I needed to be on the site for any reason other then it was great to talk about great music, but the main reason I have been so persistent in this case is because I feel I have been misunderstood. I feel that the little "clues" Alan thought he had were nothing more then him thinking he was tracking down a bad person... but the thing is he was dealing with a great person, a really sensitive and kind and loving guy that wouldn't hurt a fly.

People on the internet have no real way of knowing who I am, other then though the typing, which I like to do, it's pretty obvious I like to type out my feelings. I do this because I can not speak them out in public, so that is another thing about me that Alan overlooked.

If he tried just a bit harder, he would have seen the good guy in me, well the amazing guy in me. I ,like anyone, am not perfect.

When I was growing up, my Mom always used to say, Jeff, you are perfect, just perfect. That was not a good thing for anyone to hear, because no one is perfect. Not even me, I try to be perfect but because no one can be, I fall short of perfection even though I try.

I know I am not perfect, but want the one person who is perfect to come on here and judge me. If you are 100% perfect everyday of your life, have not done drugs, smoked, no sex, no parties come on here and put me down... I honestly have done none of those things I have just mentioned.

I am not proud of not doing all of those things, because you need to do some of them in order to have a good life, and I know I need to be more imperfect.

I was not totally perfect on these sites. I think I was a bit too excited to be a Kelly fan at times.

I have grown up a lot since then. I am still a big fan but if I had to do it all over again, there is no doubt this situation everyone has heard about from both sides would NOT have happened. I would have been quiet, like the person I am, and everything would have gone really well.

I wish I could go back in time to fix it all, I wish.

I am really sensitive to the whole thing, more so then Alan, he is a guy of the streets or something, he has a heart of stone, he can't see how much I want to make this right.

Please listen, I don't want to argue this any more.

I don't want to type even one more word about it ( I will if I have to) but the point is, I am human, and we are ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL misunderstood at some times in our life right?

I really do care about Alan and Pinky (whereever he went) and every single Kelly fan I think you rock! I think Kelly is the bomb; I would do ANYTHING to get along with you all!!!

Listen, Alan has no real emotions for me other then hate, but I want to find some light at the end of the tunnel.

What can we do to have something positive come from this?

What can we learn, what can we change, and what can we fix so that things are better for the next person?

I want to leave this rip off report with a great spirit, I want to feel love, I want to feel inspired to go off and do great things.

For the people that commented asking questions, I just want to say that I understand why you had them, and I want you to understand myself, and not just as a guy who likes to type stuff online.

I am a real person....I know when you stop to realize that, this all seems so different. If I could I would meet everyone that posted and just hang out for coffee and just try to let them see the real me. Remember I was hacked and stalked and put down for every year of the last 5 years.

This was not something I wanted, or tried to make happen.

Like I said, I would do anything to reverse it, or go back in time and change it. I can assure you it would all be cleared up and not happen if that was the case, but you can't change the past, and the future is what we need to look at.

I wish Alan was not so stubborn.

He could really help change things, but he doesn't want to help a great guy (me). But I want to say that Alan can always e mail me if he would like to apologize to me in private, as long as there are no more put downs.

Sorry I got pretty emotional there but this whole thing is a huge trauma for me.

I am not like everyone else. I asked the fan club many times to help me, because I needed help. If they only would have seen me for who I was, they would have been able to see a wonderful guy with the biggest heart they would have ever seen.

Sorry, I was 25 when this happened and not 30 like you said in your last paragraph so please don't lie about that too. I have not had the chance to grow up like other people normally do. I am at a very young age, and I want to learn to grow further. When I was 25 I was at the same level as the average age of the people on the site. I felt I fit right in. In the meantime people are reading that I am a lot older then they are, and I think that is probably the main issue that Alan did not understand. I am 31 now, but I have done nothing most 30 year olds have done. Yes I want to do all of that stuff, nothing bad but I want to do things normal adults do. I want to grow up, I want to get married, and I hope I can find a special person out there for me.

When I said there was Ageism used against me, I meant that in those terms that I was older and I stood out like a sore thumb. People saw the age and I was instantly scorned. A lot of people lashed out at me, much like the guy on here that thought all guys go online for sex, that was not the case for me (and should not be for anyone) but when people say 25 or 26 or 27 or whatever age I was back then (I think 25) I was older then they the majority of the fans. Remember this was when Kelly just won Idol, she was younger, I was too, but her fans were younger still, she didn't have the fan base like she has now.

If I joined the fan club now there would not be an issue because the fans are so diverse, but back then the fans were younger, and I didn't even consider that they were. It didn't cross my mind until I was banned and my age difference alone was probably was the main issue.

Also Alan in your last paragraph there are a lot of things that I just want to make clear are untrue. The virgin thing was just part of who I am, I didn't talk about it. Also didn't ask for pics or talk to the girls unless you wanted me to talk to them.

The girl that claimed I said to dump someone for me was totally not giving us the truth. Alan I think you were on the site at the same time she was asking me if she was hot and sexy and I said no, you are not.

Also just to clear things up further and I don't know why Alan is lying , but we have seen him lie a lot throughout all of this , but anyhow I never drew a nude Kelly and never will, I have heard there are a ton of nude Kelly pics, but I never drew a nude Kelly pic, the pic you are claiming is some asicci thing, which I do not even know what that means was from a doll site on the internet. If you don't like that, you can go to the website that made it and ask them why they had it up, but I had nothing to do with it.

I wish you would not assume things. It makes you look really really desperate, and it makes you look very silly and stupid.

Actually Alan, you may claim that people would want there daughters to stay away from me but as long as they are adults, I think parents would LOVE for there daughters to know me. I am seriously the guy that parents would love to have marry there daughter, so I think your claims they wouldn't totally want me to marry there daughter are false . IF I could talk to people, I think that most parents would think I was great. I don't do drugs, drink , smoke, no sex, no parties, no negative stuff.

Just don't assume you know everything about me all the time, you have your opinions of me and I have some about you... but lets axe the b.s. and try to care for each other.

Oh and Alan I think you are a danger to children, so I would like to say that while I want to be your friend, I don't agree with what you did to the kids on your site at all, and I don't agree with what you did to me on it as well.

I think it is VERY VERY clear from this post in particular that I know exactly what happened here. I can see what happened here, and I know for a fact what did happen here.

I can certainly see the problem I had on the site and why it did happen.

I am certainly not the guy you make me out to be, and like I said before I am honestly as dangerous and a sleeping kitten, meaning you could not get a more sweet, kind and more lovable, caring and all around kind hearted guy then me...say what you will everyone, but I think I have shown once and for all the true and real me.

Please give me a new beginning and stop condemning me.

Thanks

Jeff

P.S : Alan I can see the need for you to defend yourself after I have written up this report, much of which has to do with you, but I also want to tell you that you do not have to make up anything in order to get your point across.

Also as you can see my honesty in this post I would aspect that I would get the favor back, in your next post ( even though you are saying you will not respond to me) but if you do respond to anyone, I would really appreciate some real honesty and some real care put into your words as I have shown here. Thanks again.
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Jeff's response to Alan's response of Robert's response. Alan is not responding to Jeff response. My most heartful, most open, and honest response. In hopes of healing all.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

So Alan you have started your reply with a major contradiction. You agree with Robert that men only want woman for sex, but then you do ease off that suggestion later on but the fact that you said you agree is not at all what a good person would say. I disagree with the notion that guys only want woman for sex. think woman are wonderful and are not mere sex- objects. I think that a lot of men respect woman a lot more then you and Robert do.

I have actually never heard of anything this sick or twisted in my life.

Ok if your being sincere Alan, on this one tiny thing, I am going to say that I agree with you here, that men and woman can be friends mutual friends.

At least I am man enough to admit I can agree with someone who wants to fully destroy me.

Now I don't want to hurt you or make you upset, I want to be your friend, and I wanted to work things out with you.

That's the main goal, just to work it out.

The name-calling that seems to have started here is no good for both of us.

I think, maybe, that we should get back to the issue here.

Ya Kelly has a lot of nice and sweet older guy fans, I am not the oldest of the guy fans, there are many older ones, like 50 years old even... some maybe older then that.

Come on Alan enough lies! Get to the bottom of this. You know you did a lot to me; you have to know what you did.

Please admit it.

Ya well you would know about predators game rooms. Is that why you started the Kelly site in the first place? Was it so YOU could hang out with tons of children? I have to ask myself that question because I saw you with them, and saw you have them stalk me, and how you have them talk to me on msn. I don't think any of these girls would have talked to me if it was not for you encouraging it.

Alan, you can trust me.

Seriously.!

Right now.!

You can trust me 100%.!
I am not this guy you thought I was, I know what you did to me, and you THINK you know what I did , but the facts are that you don't know me, and you fully and completely misunderstood every word and action I did while I knew you. And also admit to everyone that we were pretty close friends ( online ) from the site before this started. You knew me and you even liked me, until something strange happened and you turned against me and used the children as your weapons. I do not appreciate the tactics you used here.

I can RANT all I like, this is my rip off report, and the more you say the more I have to explain about you. I remember the msn chats, the things that were said, ect ect ect.

What are you saying about me Alan? I denied your lies because they are lies. The proof you so desperately wanted was not even close to being in any of those posts. Like I said I know most of the managers of those websites and they not only didn't ban me but they loved my posts, so when you thought you got all the dirt you could find and didn't find anything . A lot of these managers that you claim banned me are my freinds!!!!!! We just laugh at it because you are making yourself look so ridiculous. All you are doing is making my posts extremely popular.

I know I wanted it removed and still would like it removed just due to the slander act, but if you don't want to then there is always the positive side that people will get to read my writing, and hopefully will enjoy it, however those posts are probably some of the ones Alan thought were a bit more racy then the billions of posts he sifted through to find anything slightly naughty on me. That stuff is just not out there... sorry Alan has looked; he has searched a lot of his life to find things on me. He got kids to do the dirty work, he went the full nine yards with manipulation and had tried to frame me of course, but I will not accept that attempt to make me appear like he wants me to appear.

Maybe if we are lucky, not that I know this guy, but I talked to a guy, that had the same thing happen by Alan as what happened to me, so possibly, he may get word of this report and will give you the lowdown on Alan.

From what he told me he went through a lot of the hatred and the stalking that Alan did to me.

Like I said it's possible we could hear from this guy, but maybe not. He was banned unfairly however, and he did talk to me a bit about Alan's conduct with the children of the site, because that would have really opened this case up in my favor.

Oh gosh Alan, insurance risk my butt. Like I said you have me all wrong about the stuff you thought happened. Gosh what about you meeting these girls off the net? Did you tell anyone about what you have done? What interaction you have with kids would probably make everyone shiver with disgust.

Alan just to make this clear again, and you never actually listen but the fan club was not in the least worried about my conduct on the fan club, they were on my side, most of the time, we did all try to get along, Alan was a bit harder to deal with, but Pinky wrote me, and again said I WAS ALLOWED ON THE FAN CLUB IN A YEAR AND THAT I WAS BANNED JUST IN CASE. He said to me in a letter I DID NOTHING WRONG on the site, BUT they just had to ban just in case. In case of what, I never found out. That is what I was told, by the manager. That is all that was said. Whatever you are adding to this is not valid.

All we know is #1 Pinky Lied.
And #2 "I did NOTHING wrong"

Alan I can assure you 20000000000% I am harmless in person. I swear to God. I go to church all week, the people know me there, they love me, and they don't want to see any of this happen to me. I pray for this all so have a peaceful and even kind solution and end. I love everyone and people took that the wrong way, I was trying to be as sweet and kind to as many people as possible and it was misunderstood

This is no rant this is how I truly feel and this is my true feeling flowing from me. I am very very sensitive and rarely have the energy to talk to anyone on the best of days.

Don't make me into something I am not, please.

When you say I offered excuses, I am sorry, but at that time I was trying to make you understand me better. I was not trying to make excuses I was trying to offer you a better understanding of who I am.

The banning stuff was really hard on me, not because I needed to be on the site for any reason other then it was great to talk about great music, but the main reason I have been so persistent in this case is because I feel I have been misunderstood. I feel that the little "clues" Alan thought he had were nothing more then him thinking he was tracking down a bad person... but the thing is he was dealing with a great person, a really sensitive and kind and loving guy that wouldn't hurt a fly.

People on the internet have no real way of knowing who I am, other then though the typing, which I like to do, it's pretty obvious I like to type out my feelings. I do this because I can not speak them out in public, so that is another thing about me that Alan overlooked.

If he tried just a bit harder, he would have seen the good guy in me, well the amazing guy in me. I ,like anyone, am not perfect.

When I was growing up, my Mom always used to say, Jeff, you are perfect, just perfect. That was not a good thing for anyone to hear, because no one is perfect. Not even me, I try to be perfect but because no one can be, I fall short of perfection even though I try.

I know I am not perfect, but want the one person who is perfect to come on here and judge me. If you are 100% perfect everyday of your life, have not done drugs, smoked, no sex, no parties come on here and put me down... I honestly have done none of those things I have just mentioned.

I am not proud of not doing all of those things, because you need to do some of them in order to have a good life, and I know I need to be more imperfect.

I was not totally perfect on these sites. I think I was a bit too excited to be a Kelly fan at times.

I have grown up a lot since then. I am still a big fan but if I had to do it all over again, there is no doubt this situation everyone has heard about from both sides would NOT have happened. I would have been quiet, like the person I am, and everything would have gone really well.

I wish I could go back in time to fix it all, I wish.

I am really sensitive to the whole thing, more so then Alan, he is a guy of the streets or something, he has a heart of stone, he can't see how much I want to make this right.

Please listen, I don't want to argue this any more.

I don't want to type even one more word about it ( I will if I have to) but the point is, I am human, and we are ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL misunderstood at some times in our life right?

I really do care about Alan and Pinky (whereever he went) and every single Kelly fan I think you rock! I think Kelly is the bomb; I would do ANYTHING to get along with you all!!!

Listen, Alan has no real emotions for me other then hate, but I want to find some light at the end of the tunnel.

What can we do to have something positive come from this?

What can we learn, what can we change, and what can we fix so that things are better for the next person?

I want to leave this rip off report with a great spirit, I want to feel love, I want to feel inspired to go off and do great things.

For the people that commented asking questions, I just want to say that I understand why you had them, and I want you to understand myself, and not just as a guy who likes to type stuff online.

I am a real person....I know when you stop to realize that, this all seems so different. If I could I would meet everyone that posted and just hang out for coffee and just try to let them see the real me. Remember I was hacked and stalked and put down for every year of the last 5 years.

This was not something I wanted, or tried to make happen.

Like I said, I would do anything to reverse it, or go back in time and change it. I can assure you it would all be cleared up and not happen if that was the case, but you can't change the past, and the future is what we need to look at.

I wish Alan was not so stubborn.

He could really help change things, but he doesn't want to help a great guy (me). But I want to say that Alan can always e mail me if he would like to apologize to me in private, as long as there are no more put downs.

Sorry I got pretty emotional there but this whole thing is a huge trauma for me.

I am not like everyone else. I asked the fan club many times to help me, because I needed help. If they only would have seen me for who I was, they would have been able to see a wonderful guy with the biggest heart they would have ever seen.

Sorry, I was 25 when this happened and not 30 like you said in your last paragraph so please don't lie about that too. I have not had the chance to grow up like other people normally do. I am at a very young age, and I want to learn to grow further. When I was 25 I was at the same level as the average age of the people on the site. I felt I fit right in. In the meantime people are reading that I am a lot older then they are, and I think that is probably the main issue that Alan did not understand. I am 31 now, but I have done nothing most 30 year olds have done. Yes I want to do all of that stuff, nothing bad but I want to do things normal adults do. I want to grow up, I want to get married, and I hope I can find a special person out there for me.

When I said there was Ageism used against me, I meant that in those terms that I was older and I stood out like a sore thumb. People saw the age and I was instantly scorned. A lot of people lashed out at me, much like the guy on here that thought all guys go online for sex, that was not the case for me (and should not be for anyone) but when people say 25 or 26 or 27 or whatever age I was back then (I think 25) I was older then they the majority of the fans. Remember this was when Kelly just won Idol, she was younger, I was too, but her fans were younger still, she didn't have the fan base like she has now.

If I joined the fan club now there would not be an issue because the fans are so diverse, but back then the fans were younger, and I didn't even consider that they were. It didn't cross my mind until I was banned and my age difference alone was probably was the main issue.

Also Alan in your last paragraph there are a lot of things that I just want to make clear are untrue. The virgin thing was just part of who I am, I didn't talk about it. Also didn't ask for pics or talk to the girls unless you wanted me to talk to them.

The girl that claimed I said to dump someone for me was totally not giving us the truth. Alan I think you were on the site at the same time she was asking me if she was hot and sexy and I said no, you are not.

Also just to clear things up further and I don't know why Alan is lying , but we have seen him lie a lot throughout all of this , but anyhow I never drew a nude Kelly and never will, I have heard there are a ton of nude Kelly pics, but I never drew a nude Kelly pic, the pic you are claiming is some asicci thing, which I do not even know what that means was from a doll site on the internet. If you don't like that, you can go to the website that made it and ask them why they had it up, but I had nothing to do with it.

I wish you would not assume things. It makes you look really really desperate, and it makes you look very silly and stupid.

Actually Alan, you may claim that people would want there daughters to stay away from me but as long as they are adults, I think parents would LOVE for there daughters to know me. I am seriously the guy that parents would love to have marry there daughter, so I think your claims they wouldn't totally want me to marry there daughter are false . IF I could talk to people, I think that most parents would think I was great. I don't do drugs, drink , smoke, no sex, no parties, no negative stuff.

Just don't assume you know everything about me all the time, you have your opinions of me and I have some about you... but lets axe the b.s. and try to care for each other.

Oh and Alan I think you are a danger to children, so I would like to say that while I want to be your friend, I don't agree with what you did to the kids on your site at all, and I don't agree with what you did to me on it as well.

I think it is VERY VERY clear from this post in particular that I know exactly what happened here. I can see what happened here, and I know for a fact what did happen here.

I can certainly see the problem I had on the site and why it did happen.

I am certainly not the guy you make me out to be, and like I said before I am honestly as dangerous and a sleeping kitten, meaning you could not get a more sweet, kind and more lovable, caring and all around kind hearted guy then me...say what you will everyone, but I think I have shown once and for all the true and real me.

Please give me a new beginning and stop condemning me.

Thanks

Jeff

P.S : Alan I can see the need for you to defend yourself after I have written up this report, much of which has to do with you, but I also want to tell you that you do not have to make up anything in order to get your point across.

Also as you can see my honesty in this post I would aspect that I would get the favor back, in your next post ( even though you are saying you will not respond to me) but if you do respond to anyone, I would really appreciate some real honesty and some real care put into your words as I have shown here. Thanks again.
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#212 Author of original report

Please Robert/ Alan do not disrepect woman. Not something I approve of... in anyway.I stick up for woman.They are great people. Men can be great too!!!

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Robert,

Don't thank Alan THANK ME, for telling the truth about him!

The most insane statement ever part 2 is this

"The ONLY reason an adult male joins a 'fan club' for a pop singer is to prey upon minor females" That's just so untrue. Sorry but no one goes on websites to prey on woman unless it's a dating site. And in that case it's not preying ....it's praying for a great woman to fall in love with. ( or should be ) you guys have the world all wrong, you have humanity mixed up and have twisted it into some perversion.

That statement is so sick it's not even funny.

I think Kelly is freaking off the hook, she's the best singer, male or female to ever come along. She is a fabulous person, and a great kind and caring person. It's too bad she doesn't have those kinds of people working for her sites. It would make everything run nice and smooth I know most of Kelly's fans are great people. They really DO care about others and me, Alan is the exception to the rule. Alan needs to be more like Kelly and her fans. We are just all wanting to get along.

Men and Woman will never be friends?

Ok that's freaking absurd.

That makes no sense.

I think men and woman can be friends without waning to get freaking naked.. Thats a really awful and sick statement.

Why do you think men and woman can't be friends, not that it has anything to do with this case, but you got to think about what you are saying man.

I have hung out with woman at church and believe me I can hang out with them and be friends with them forever and nothing is going to happen.

2 years is nothing man, I have gone 31 years with no "reward" as you call it ...but a reward is not always what guys want. I am not your typical guy, which is why all of the guys and some of the girls are misunderstanding me. They don't understand how someone could want to be just friends, or how someone could want to be just a good friend.

I want a true friend not someone to have sex with. Sorry Robert but not everyone is as sick or perverted as "most guys" or you and Alan.

I am a genuine guy, I care about people, sure I guess maybe you are right that most guys want to have sex, ya, they do, but it's unfair to force that upon me just because I am a guy. I mean, again, we are all different, and there is no reason every guy has to be the same.

Dude man , I know some girls that are virgins and they are totally cool with it. Don't judge them just because they choose not to have sex. No big deal, it is their life. They can do what they want with there body.

What does this have to do with Alan harassing and stalking me?

I really don't see any validity to your sex-crazed post.

I think some guys want to spend time with girls because they are great to hang out with regardless of any sex.

I'd take a girl out for lunch just to talk to her.

That's more action then I'd ever get anyhow, for me talking is really important.

I don't know why you posted about men and woman but I think you have stereotyped both men and woman.

There should be no stereotype.

See you are stereotyping me because I am a guy. That is what happened when I went on the fan club. I was a guy and everyone flocked to me, and I was older, so I stood out, not that I wanted to stand out, but I did unfortunately, then all of these girls started to talk to me or maybe Alan even told them to message me. I did not want to talk to them at all
Alan, I guess, thought I wanted to, but I was framed by Alan and teen girls. Girls like that are about as ruthless and Alan himself, so they get along well.

So you can all see why this happened now right?

I am just trying to explain it in ways that people can understand because you guys seem to not "get" this very well.

I will explain it and explain it until you and Alan can understand who I really am.

I guess you think all guys are corrupt or something but it is not the truth.

Some guys and some girls out there are genuine.

There are some, don't think that you know everything about everyone.

Trust me some of us are different and think differently about woman then you and Alan. I think it's sick to disrespect woman in the way you have described in your letter here.

Sexism to the max I am sure Alan will agree with most of what you posted, though I dont have a clue how anyone ever could.

Jeff
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#213 Author of original report

Alan you said you would not post again, which is A LIEEEEE! New proof you are a liar!

AUTHOR: Jeff - (Canada)

Yes , that is for certain that Kellys fan base is mixed. I agree with Alan on that part. Kelly does reach all groups, even over 50, so yes I do fit in.

Sorry but I never asked for anything from anyone, I never even private messaged.

Alan you and me talked about this on msn (which you denied was you) and I told you once and for all that I did not ever ask for any pics.

Yes I did agree to sign up in one years time, and I did... where did Pinky go? Why did all the managers leave the website?

Why did they all get fired? If you ask me, it was because they all are criminals and were fired because they were telling lies about people.

I can assure you now, Alan is a liar.

Oh about the booty stuff, I only said the one joke that I posted here, like I said before.

Don't believe these lies. I waited the year for to get on the fan club

Pinky was not around to talk to so I began to try and find an answer to why they were all missing from the website.

No there is no yada, yada, Alan let all of the people on the website talk sexually about Kelly's butt, and the second I posted an innocent joke, he banned me.

I e mailed the fan club because I had questions that were not answered. The same questions ARE STILL NOT ANSWERED.

Ok, well I actually can't remember the exact dates of when I joined up for Kellyville but I believe it was after the fanclub.

Alan I am not going "nuts" I am just wondering why you said you would not post here ever again and about 10 minutes after doing so you posted a TON more.

I don't get it.

I thought we agreed to disagree and to move on.

The mouseplanet thing was crazy, I never even went to that site at all.

That was Alan being the criminal he is. Stalking and harassing me, and putting me down. That is all Alan has done for many years.

Sorry, but I talked to you Alan, on msn, and I know you actually got those girls to message me on msn, and you tried to get me to say bad things, and I didn't , so basically you are just lying more and more and more.

This is all lies, more slander.

I can assure everyone that I never talked to any girls on the internet...ever... not under 18 anyways. I have a few friends I talk to that are girls online but they are over 20 and are mostly all over 25.

I was not a good reason to ban because I was a good person on all of the websites I have been at. None of this stuff happened.

Yes! you finally admitted that you talk to young girls under the age of 18!

Now we have the proof I need to see why and how Alan got these kids to harass me and stalk me. He got them to message me, and he got them to say terrible things to me. I did not want to have anything to do with these kids. I just wanted to enjoy the Kelly sites for the music.

I wanted to be left alone in peace and quiet.

I personally saw Alan talking back and forth to young children on his site when I was on it. The talk was quite playful, and it was quite suggestive as far as him saying nothing sexual went on with him and these kids I do not agree with that and I feel he is lieing once again.

He acts like a child with them. He learnt a lot about Kelly, and made the site, in my opinion so he could get closer to the children on his site. It's possible that he got caught by some of the parents that he said something about me and then claimed that I did it. I can see how Alan would place the blame on me for his actions.

Alan it's no game. I do not want anyone to think this is some kind of stupid game. This is my life you are messing with. Please leave me alone, I do not want further harassment from you.

Ok?

So no it's no game. I want it to be resolved. That is all. I said it a million times but you cant seem to listen to me.

You said you would stop posting but you come back with more and more lies.

No I don't think I will "screw" with Sony BMG, while I know they own me a lot in damages, I am just me, and I know Sony has a lot to cover up here with the shady management problems but I don't think I would ever be able to get anywhere with Sony. They are a pretty big company, and can pull off mass cover ups and have the best of the best liars working for them.

I just hope Alan will remove the slander from the sites and we can move on, if he chooses not to, then like I said, I just hope we can agree to disagree and move on.

I don't want anyone to get anyones feelings hurt more and more.

This Rip Off Report was filed because I was ripped off, I was stalked, harassed, and there was a lot of HATE CRIMES that Alan pulled on me. Sexism, which you have seen in his posts, and Ageism, which you have seen in his posts here. He hates people, and hates me. There doesn't need to be any more hate in this world.

I sort of felt like he would violate his own agreement to not make further posts on here because that is what he did to me on both websites. He did it here too, for more proof Alan will say one thing and do the opposite!!!!

He says he will never post again, and then a few minutes later, he does it.

SO what is that saying? That he goes against his words, yes he does!

I already signed off on the case, and then I get a message in my e mail that Alan is back to no good?????

So I check it out, come on the site here, and he is back at it, posting things he knows will get a big reaction from me... this is how he works, he wants a big reaction.

I would be better off to give him no words at all. That way he would not get so angry and lash out at me violently.

Again can we please come to a peaceful conclusion to this?

Be an adult and not play around like a child.

You deliberately say things to me that you know will get a big reaction, and which you know I will hate the most.

Please Alan, do not go out of your way to make me feel worse then I do about this.

Enough is enough.

Please end it here. I have stated the case and you have stated your lies.

The End.
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response to Robert (and ignoring Jeff because it's simply not worth the time anymore)

AUTHOR: Alan - (U.S.A.)

Robert, I agree with you to a point, but not totally..
In most cses, men and woman are like that, but there's exceptions ot every rule..

I've been best friends with a female my whole life (quite litterally), she's like my sister, and there's never been anything more, and never will be. I have many female friends, who are jsut friends, and willnever be more. It's mutual.. so it is possible for men and womn to be jsut friends, it depends on the people involved.
It usually is easier for women to just be friends then for guys though.. I see that in all my friends. There is always the 'possability' in the minds of al the guys i'm friends with when it comes to women they know.

Anyone can join a fan club.. and Kelly's has several 'older' guys in the fan club.. most are completely harmless as they joined mainly because they have kids or nieces/nephews who are big Kelly fans,and wanted to make sure they were paying for something real and safe. They we're also some of the complaints about Jeff everytime Jeff talked to their neice or daughter.

In short, not every guy, or girl, is how you describe them. Unfortunatly, what you have said is the 'norm' in most situations, and sites that have a population of any kind that is female, or younger, becomes a predators gameroom. People such as Je