"The-Life-Business" A pyramid scheme led by two dangerous men named Orrin Woodward & Chris Brady!"Life" "The Life" "The Life Business" "The Team" "Team Life" Too many other phony names to list. Dangerous - Deceitful - Cult - Vicious Predators - Bold Face Liars - Contact the Attorney General's Office in Michigan to file official criminal reports! Flint, Michigan

This is your "One example":

5 Steps To Raking In Multiple 5-Figures MONTHLY Incomeby Jerry Chen1 inShareHere is the replay of the call from March 27th. This is where I shared the EXACT 5-step formula which I applied to bring in $24576.06 as of March 26th. Not only will you learn the exact, never-fail formula that produced 8 distinctively different 6-figure and multiple 6-figure businesses since 1997 You can also steal [...] ---> I don't why you are so fascinated with Jerry Chen - with an "e," unlike your comment title. The original question, although poorly worded, was to name somebody in LIFE who used to be involved with Amway, and I have my answer: Orrin (with an "i" not an "e" - LOL) Woodward the Chris Brady, among other high level LIFEers. 

Talk about a rip off!! 
NOTHING about Amway.
NOTHING about Team.
NOTHING about Life.
NOTHING  true about anything you say. ---> I have no idea what you're trying to say. LOL

As I see it, the only reason you don't get sued for slander or libel is that you're not worth the Attorney fees! ---> WRONG. The reason I don't get sued for slander or libel is I tell the facts and Texas has a very strong anti-SLAPP law, so a frivolous lawsuit against me would pay for my attorney fees, as well as losing the lawsuit. 

Even If I or Orren or anyone won, you have no assets! ---> That's the point, Orrin (with an "i" not an "e" - LOL) or anyone else would lose, and pay my attorney fees as well. 

You have no following. ---> I'm not looking for a "following," I'm looking to put an end to the ATS.

Your have no credibility. ---> The facts and solid logic provide me all the credibility I need. 

I have a business to build so don't expect me to respond anymore. ---> I don't expect you to respond because you just lost the argument. LOL

You've wasted enough of my time already. ---> Only you can waste your time, I didn't force you to post your garbage here. LOL

Last thought: I PITTY the poor fool that believes you. ---> Not even close to the last thought: I PITY (with one "T" - LOL) any poor fool that knows you. LOL

This is your "One example":

5 Steps To Raking In Multiple 5-Figures MONTHLY Incomeby Jerry Chen1 inShareHere is the replay of the call from March 27th. This is where I shared the EXACT 5-step formula which I applied to bring in $24576.06 as of March 26th. Not only will you learn the exact, never-fail formula that produced 8 distinctively different 6-figure and multiple 6-figure businesses since 1997 You can also steal [...]

Talk about a rip off!!
NOTHING about Amway.
NOTHING about Team.
NOTHING about Life.
NOTHING  true about anything you say.

As I see it, the only reason you don't get sued for slander or libel is that you're not worth the Attorney fees! Even If I or Orren or anyone won, you have no assets!
You have no following.
Your have no credibility.

I have a business to build so don't expect me to respond anymore.
You've wasted enough of my time already.
Last thought: I PITTY the poor fool that believes you.

Looks like the person showing you the marketing plan got it backwards: http://timmarks.com/blog/tag/define-learn-do/ Just as well. As my first post on this thread shows, LIFE is run by well known scam artists.

As previously stated, it was a typo. ---> You said "excuse the typo," but then didn't fix it. LOL

Talk about reading comprehension. ---> Yes, indeed. LOL

Here: "Name one person that was in Amway that is in LIFE". ---> Orrin Woodward. Chris Brady. And several other of their minions that I won't research for you. LOL

All better, kiddo? ---> Of course, and now you have your answer. LOL

You sound like a typical Whorn! ---> You type like a typical IDIOT! LOL

When you can produce documented evidence of your claim, then someone may take you seriously. ---> Here's Orrin's lawsuits with Amway (called Quixtar at that time, but he was with Amway even before they used the name Quixtar from 1999-2009): http://dockets.justia.com/search?q=Orrin+A.+Woodward When you can form coherent sentences, I won't take you seriously, but at least I will be able to understand what you're trying to say. LOL

All I'm seeing is "I joined LIFE, waited for money, did no work, received no money and I'm mad". ---> You see wrong. I never joined LIFE. You are powerfully stupid. LOL

Hmmm, maybe you're an Aggie. ---> I'm not, but that is immaterial. LOL

That would explain a bit more. ---> I've already explained "a bit more." LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL.... 

I'm glad there's no idiot from Plano, TX who didn't fall for LIFE. I'm 22 and some guy named David came to my work secretly looking for people looking for a "business opportunity" he was very vague with his "presentation" about LIFE when I was at work..so vague I didn't even know why he wanted to meet me up at a McDonalds 10 miles out of my way from home. Once I told him a little about me (which was a complete waste of my time, he didn't care - just wanted to come off that way) Anyways he pulls out this crinkled up paper to demonstrate how the ESBI, content, commerce, community etc works. Basically talked about how businesses like DELL, Joe Wieder, McDonalds, United Health Care, Schools, Churches etc operates and how LIFE uses a reverse process..which would only make sense to an idiot. It is illogical to Do, Learn and Define as in terms of a career path. In specific order Michael Dell didn't (Do) create a PC and (Learn) Learn how to make one and then claims himself to be a successful inventor (Define). Michael Dell wanted to invent something for everyone to have access to the world wide web, and obviously to drive profit for his company - ultimately becoming a successful man (Define) So he came up with an action plan, and learned to execute his invention to distribute to consumers (Learn) and then he executed (Do). You have to create a goal for yourself (what do you want to be) when you decide - you obviously have to get through stepping stones to learn how to be what you want to be and then you execute it. Not reverse, you're just setting yourself up for failure. About an hour and a half later after speaking with david, his mentor Adam Arnold and Doug joined the "meeting", what "successful" company does that to a complete stranger (me) at a McDonalds in the slums of Garland, TX? Yes, they basically told me the same thing. Once they talked about their  "Product" and people you have to get on your "team" I automatically lost interest, although being good at hiding my emotions I showed otherwise. They wanted me to pay $100.00 for some DVD's and Books (useful information im sure) I could read off-line, or get from a cheaper source..hell you can do it how the majority of the world has been doing it - Education (school). But they asked me how many people do I know that works less and gets paid more - EASY, my friends Dad own's the Allegro apartments in Addison (even he recommends going to school, he doesn't meet up with people at a mcdonalds in the slums for a meeting) im sure if he did he'd be damn sure to buy them food, or because he's hungry. He didn't own something because of his knowledge through something like LIFE he went to school, and doesn't regret it. These guys said to have the life i want is to be associated with someone who has the similar lifestyle I want, OBVIOUSLY - so, why they do I need to buy LIFE's $100.00 product to get that kind of knowledge when I can just be my friend's Dad's pupil? Anyways. LIFE is basically a bunch of brainwashed slags getting their little workers (Dave, Adam and Doug) to sell their books and dvd's to a person like me and make me feel that I am on their level but really I'm just another person they're trying to fool. The MOST successful people did not use resources like LIFE. They all came up with a strong approach, and executed it on their own. If that's how they did it, I rather not rely on a $100.00 product to show me how - Only a non-methodological thinking person would go that path

As previously stated, it was a typo. Talk about reading comprehension. Here: "Name one person that was in Amway that is in LIFE". All better, kiddo? You sound like a typical Whorn! 
When you can produce documented evidence of your claim, then someone may take you seriously.

All I'm seeing is "I joined LIFE, waited for money, did no work, received no money and I'm mad".
Hmmm, maybe you're an Aggie. That would explain a bit more.
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL.... 

Name one person that in Amway that is in LIFE? ---> Even a 12 year old knows this is not a coherent question. LOL... If I'm 12, that makes you 2! LOL

And by the way, the original question didn't come from me, it came from Bob, and I already answered it. Try reading for comprehension next time. Oops, I "forgot," you're only 2! LOL

I'll bet you're too scared for a phone call too, right? But then again, you're probably too young AND stupid to dial a number. LOL

LOL<<<<< What are you 12?

You asked, I supplied the answer. Jerry Chen, just google his name, moron!

Johnson 321,

Thank you again for proving my point. ---> You don't have a point. I have all the facts and logic, you have provided NOTHING. LOL

I don't need to give examples that can clearly be seen. ---> That's because you have no examples to give. LOL

You've given me plenty of laughs today, thank you very much!! ---> Thank YOU for demonstrating to the world how stupid you are! LOL 

I truly hope you're not holding your breath for a phone call, because childish games like that don't work. You're a waste of time tex. ---> No, I was pretty sure you are too scared to call. LOL

Nemesis (hardly, LOL),

Name one person that in Amway that is in LIFE? ---> Try constructing a coherent sentence next time. What are you trying to say? LOL

Jerry Chen... Google it! ---> All I found was a link talking about Jerry fawning over Orrin, google "amthrax orrin on learning through failure" LOL

Name one person that in Amway that is in LIFE?

Jerry Chen... Google it!

Thank you again for proving my point. I don't need to give examples that can clearly be seen. You've given me plenty of laughs today, thank you very much!!  I truly hope you're not holding your breath for a phone call, because childish games like that don't work. You're a waste of time tex.

After reading all of this and seeing both sides of the story, I have realized that you are clearly losing this argument by not fully supporting your claims. ---> There are numerous facts in my earlier comments, just as there are on my blog, stoptheamwaytoolscam.wordpress.com. Try reading for comprehension next time. Better yet, I would be happy to talk with you on the phone sometime, instructions for doing so are also on my blog, if you are "man" enough to take the challenge. I will be the one NOT holding my breath. LOL

Maybe you're an emotional guy when you argue and can't think clearly, but some of the things you have accused Bob of doing, you have done yourself. ---> Maybe you're a stupid guy when you argue and can't type clearly, but you need to give at least a single example of "some of the things you have accused Bob of doing, you have done yourself." LOL

I've learned something about idiots though, it's pointless arguing with them because they can't see that they're being an idiot because they're too much of an idiot to realize it. ---> Look in the mirror, and you'll see the same image that is in my dictionary for an idiot. LOL

Unless they can step back, stop flapping their gums, and take an honest look at themselves, it's a waste of time. ---> You still haven't said a single thing of substance, perhaps on your next post? LOL

Just wanted to throw that out there for anybody else reading. ---> Just wanted to throw up after reading your tripe. LOL

Thank you, and goodnight. ---> And good morning, how about that phone call? However, just because you have proven yourself to be an idiot, the number can be found here, item #3: (((link redacted))) But I'll bet you're too scared to set up the call. LOL

CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report.

After reading all of this and seeing both sides of the story, I have realized that you are clearly losing this argument by not fully supporting your claims. Maybe you're an emotional guy when you argue and can't think clearly, but some of the things you have accused Bob of doing, you have done yourself. I've learned something about idiots though, it's pointless arguing with them because they can't see that they're being an idiot because they're too much of an idiot to realize it. Unless they can step back, stop flapping their gums, and take an honest look at themselves, it's a waste of time. Just wanted to throw that out there for anybody else reading.

Thank you, and goodnight.

Questions Orrin's mother should ask him, but I don't know if she's still around, so I'll ask them....anyway.

Orrin, why did you promote the Amway/Quixtar business for several years and then on your way out, try to accuse them of being a pyramid scheme? Orrin claimed in the lawsuit that only recently Amway product prices were too high, but Amway prices have always been high compared to regular stores. Of course, Orrin "fixed" this problem when he did a "benchmark study" like he won an award for when he was in the auto industry, and determined his advertised "Walmart on the internet" would be $45/bottle MonaVie juice! Come over here son, and your daddy will put you over his knee and give you a few welts on your butt with his belt.

Orrin, in that same lawsuit, why did you you disclose the confidential information that only 3.4% of the volume in North America is from retailing? By the way, I believe even that incredibly low number is inflated, as I and many others were taught how to make personal volume count as retail volume on the computer. Come over here son, and let your daddy give you a few more welts on your butt with his belt.

Good luck with LIFE, Bob. LOL

I have already wasted way too much time on this. This is my last word.

Mother Teresa's Anyway Poem

People are often unreasonable, illogical and self centered;
Forgive them anyway.
If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives;
Be kind anyway.
If you are successful, you will win some false friends and some true enemies;
Succeed anyway.
If you are honest and frank, people may cheat you;
Be honest and frank anyway.What you spend years building, someone could destroy overnight;
Build anyway.
If you find serenity and happiness, they may be jealous;
Be happy anyway.The good you do today, people will often forget tomorrow;
Do good anyway.Give the world the best you have, and it may never be enough;
Give the world the best you've got anyway.
You see, in the final analysis, it is between you and your God;
It was never between you and them anyway.

OK, so now I'm not only an Idiot, now I'm a Hell bound Liar, according to you. ---> You asked for a better alternative to LIFE's personal development, and I gave it to you, don't rip off others and instead go to church. Ever hear of the 10 Commandments, Bob? See #9 here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_shall_not_bear_false_witness_against_your_neighbor and understand Orrin and the rest of the LCKs leaving out the profit from the tools is lying by omission. God doesn't like that very much, wouldn't you agree, Bob?

How Many people, other than me or you would follow you across the street, let alone into any financial or business transaction? Time will tell. ---> That's not the issue, Bob. The issue is the LCKs (Lying, Cowardly, "Kingpins"). Get that, Bob?  

1. ---> So do all the other lying Amway upline, Bob. This is the same tripe repeated by the hundreds of Diamonds for the past several decades. If you read Amthrax, you will find several stories from former high level people who used to be in Orrin's group that prove it is NOT worth it. 

Show me ONE person in Amway who is on the TEAM! Just one! 
Name ONE person on the team with ANY connection to Amway. Just One!!! ---> Many of the LIFE "leaders" started with Amway, and got kicked out, Bob. Amway is part of the Amway Tool Scam RICO fraud, so that makes TEAM/LIFE lower than a snake's belly, Bob.

2. Every Day Orren and Chris get hundreds of communications from people thanking them for the life changing information LIFE provides. You obviously have a personal hatred of Orren so you can't/won't see it. To everyone else, just listen to the letters to Chris: judges. https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8mdxUfaT2t5WWt5Q2FGR3M2bzQ/edit?usp=sharing ---> I'll bet some of those documents were written or could have been written by people on Amthrax who worshipped Orrin just like those people and ended up getting hosed, Bob. 

3. You say: They teach everybody to be "nice" while they lie through their teeth. If you can't understand that, perhaps the "Idiot" label is accurate. 

To everyone else: Did he make his point or did he just throw more mud? If I truly am an Idiot and I succeed in creating more income in a month than I did in a year, what does that say about your ability to succeed? ---> I made the point it is fake "niceness" and experienced it personally, Bob. Ripping other people off is not success, Bob. At least not in my book, Bob.

You have challenged me to quit. To what? What do you have? Let all the readers read and discern between negative nothing and positive success. Do not expect any further argument as I am too busy building my LIFE business.
I wish you well. ---> Quit to nothing and you'll be far ahead. Join the rest of us to shut down Amway's Tool Scam and similar scams, such as LIFE, and you'll be helping your fellow man/woman, Bob. That is positive success over negative ripoff schemes. I don't expect you to reply because you lack the facts, Bob. I wish you................WAKE UP!!! LOL

1. Your reply of "big deal" to the money back guarantee is hardly a rebuttal. ---> A scam with a 30 day money back guarantee is not a big deal, Bob.

2.The Amthnrax site said nothing I could find about anyone loosing their business. Who are these "several people"? How can you accuse Orren of lying when he clearly states that is going to take some serious hard work to build the LIFE business. Why all the whining and crying? You offered NOTHING to rebut the fact that "me-you-6-4-2" is very different from "10 and 5". ---> First of all, it's "losing," not "loosing." LOL  Until today, it would be difficult to point you in the right direction, because I find the Amthrax site to be very disorganized. However, today they made a change and you can find some of the stories here: http://amthrax.wordpress.com/tag/reader-story/ Imagine how many more stories there are from people who don't know this site exists, they have posted on other sites, or they have simply shrunk away from this so-called "business." The "serious work" from Orrin is a cover, to convince you it will be YOUR fault if you don't succeed and to keep you in as long as possible. I told you there are several of the above stories who built the 10 and 5 depth legs, built very large organizations, and were shoved aside. While there are some differences in the dynamics of these approaches, the bottom line is the LCKs clean up on the tools. Orrin did it at Amway, then Quixtar, then MV, then Team of Destiny, then TEAM, then Life, etc. Same tune different name, Bob.

3. OK, I'm an idiot! So, when I succeed you must concede that even an idiot can be successful in LIFE! ---> No argument from me. I'll concede you will be an idiot if you succeed at LIFE because you will be ripping off your downline, Bob.

4. I am researching that as I write. I'll have to get back to you. I have heard the one of the Wisconsin Universities is using "Launching a Leadership Revolution" and that the "Mental Fitness Challenge" is used in Corporations. I challenge you to sign up for the 7-day free trial and have your "friends" evaluate you for your leadership skills. Are you afraid of what the results may be? (access it at slc-leadership.info) ---> By your previous statement, "Many top Corporations and Major Universities are currently using the LIFE products," I figured you could list a few off the top of your head. Kool-aid, anyone? What's YOUR favorite flavor, Bob? The stuff that comes out of a bull's behind? LOL

5. The refund policy extends to the Seminars and Conventions. Does John Maxwell, Stephen Covey, Anthony Robbins or anyone else, offer refunds for their multi-thousand dollar meetings? Or, are you saying that the advanced Seminars should be open and free? Who does that? ---> Do you realize that if you ever asked for a refund you would never get one teeny tiny bit of help for the rest of your natural life, Bob? LOL

6. Again, you have failed to be specific about what Orren said that is a lie. ---> Orrin lies every time he shows how much you can make from the LIFE products yet doesn't talk about how much the top dogs make from the LIFE (formerly TEAM) training materials. This is one aspect I actually liked about Orrin when he was in Amway, he was in favor of openly discussing how much money was made from tools compared to Amway, and he stated on his blog it was 4-5 times more than he made from Amway. That blog was taken down, probably as a result of an agreement he had with Amway after they won a $12 million judgement from him, Bob. But the fact remains former high level TEAM members were not allowed to keep a copy of the contract that they were required to sign on the spot and they didn't have a clue where the money came from, Bob. 

7. Glad you asked!!! How much money do I make? In October I got a check for $70.50. The real question is: what did I do to earn it? NOTHING! absolutely nothing! Easton, Rob and Manase put over 40 people in my business while I was busy "holding my spot". Who does that??? ---> And how much overhead did you have? Do you know what overhead is, Bob? I'll bet your "absolutely nothing" amounted to quite a bit more than $70.50, Bob.

Tex, it is "sun at noon day" obvious that you despise anything to do with Leadership or Self Improvement. I have asked you in private emails what you have that puts money in my pocket. All I have received from you is insult and polemic. OK, so be it. Let the reader be the judge. ---> It's obvious you're wrong again, Bob. I am okay with both leadership and self improvement, I have an issue with RICO fraud and liars, Bob. I think not taking money out of other peoples' pockets is better than taking it out, Bob. You've received a LOT more from me than insult and polemic, you have received facts and logic, Bob. Can you handle those? No.

Just last February 5th, Chris Brady came to Salt Lake City. I was one of the few invited to dine with him before the Open at the Airport Hilton. We were talking and as the food came, he asked us all to join him on a blessing on the food. That may not impress you but is was very impressive to me. You just can't fake that kind of sincerity in a prayer. Mock on if you will, but for my money Chris Brady is a real Christian. ---> Then he fooled you again. Do you know the truth behind why Orrin's orignal preacher wants nothing to do with Orrin, Chris, LIFE, etc., Bob? I'm looking forward to seeing your story on Amthrax when you flame out, Bob. LOL

OK, so now I'm not only an Idiot, now I'm a Hell bound Liar, according to you.

How Many people, other than me or you would follow you across the street, let alone into any financial or business transaction? Time will tell.

1. ---> So do all the other lying Amway upline, Bob. This is the same tripe repeated by the hundreds of Diamonds for the past several decades. If you read Amthrax, you will find several stories from former high level people who used to be in Orrin's group that prove it is NOT worth it. 

Show me ONE person in Amway who is on the TEAM! Just one! 
Name ONE person on the team with ANY connection to Amway. Just One!!!

2. Every Day Orren and Chris get hundreds of communications from people thanking them for the life changing information LIFE provides. You obviously have a personal hatred of Orren so you can't/won't see it. To everyone else, just listen to the letters to Chris: judges. https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8mdxUfaT2t5WWt5Q2FGR3M2bzQ/edit?usp=sharing

3. You say: They teach everybody to be "nice" while they lie through their teeth. If you can't understand that, perhaps the "Idiot" label is accurate. 

To everyone else: Did he make his point or did he just throw more mud? If I truly am an Idiot and I succeed in creating more income in a month than I did in a year, what does that say about your ability to succeed?

You have challenged me to quit. To what? What do you have? Let all the readers read and discern between negative nothing and positive success. Do not expect any further argument as I am too busy building my LIFE business.
I wish you well.

Bob, you keep spewing lies, why haven't you addressed the other posts on this thread? My point by point rebuttal is followed by the arrows (--->) below:

From the forgoing post it is obvious that the author wants to create a following using RipoffReport.com for his pulpit. ---> The author wants to put the facts out, Bob.

1- No one in LIFE says building any business will be EASY. Orren does say it will be worth it. ---> So do all the other lying Amway upline, Bob. This is the same tripe repeated by the hundreds of Diamonds for the past several decades. If you read Amthrax, you will find several stories from former high level people who used to be in Orrin's group that prove it is NOT worth it. 

2- I challenge anyone anywhere to show me any business that can be built to hundreds of thousands of dollars per month using less time or less personal development. ---> Somebody could rob a bank, commit fraud, steal art and sell it, any number of other scams and crimes would work, Bob. You only THINK that Amway/Quixtar/Team of Destiny/TEAM/Life, or whatever Orrin is thinking of changing the name to next, is a legitimate business. It isn't. He was even kicked out of Amway, which has it's own scam, the Amway Tool Scam. Google "Stop The Amway Tool Scam Wordpress" for more details how people like Orrin rise to the "top" of that RICO fraudulent organization that enabled him to be able to start operating independently of them.

3- I challenge anyone anywhere to show me any method of self improvement that produces better results in a shorter period of time. ---> Quit Orrin's latest scam name, Life, and go to church. An added advantage: You won't end up in hell. 

1. Your reply of "big deal" to the money back guarantee is hardly a rebuttal.

2.The Amthnrax site said nothing I could find about anyone loosing their business. Who are these "several people"? How can you accuse Orren of lying when he clearly states that is going to take some serious hard work to build the LIFE business. Why all the whining and crying? You offered NOTHING to rebut the fact that "me-you-6-4-2" is very different from "10 and 5".

3. OK, I'm an idiot! So, when I succeed you must concede that even an idiot can be successful in LIFE!

4. I am researching that as I write. I'll have to get back to you. I have heard the one of the Wisconsin Universities is using "Launching a Leadership Revolution" and that the "Mental Fitness Challenge" is used in Corporations. I challenge you to sign up for the 7-day free trial and have your "friends" evaluate you for your leadership skills. Are you afraid of what the results may be? (access it at slc-leadership.info)


5. The refund policy extends to the Seminars and Conventions. Does John Maxwell, Stephen Covey, Anthony Robbins or anyone else, offer refunds for their multi-thousand dollar meetings? Or, are you saying that the advanced Seminars should be open and free? Who does that?

6. Again, you have failed to be specific about what Orren said that is a lie.

7. Glad you asked!!! How much money do I make? In October I got a check for $70.50. The real question is: what did I do to earn it? NOTHING! absolutely nothing! Easton, Rob and Manase put over 40 people in my business while I was busy "holding my spot". Who does that???

Tex, it is "sun at noon day" obvious that you despise anything to do with Leadership or Self Improvement. I have asked you in private emails what you have that puts money in my pocket. All I have received from you is insult and polemic. OK, so be it. Let the reader be the judge.

Just last February 5th, Chris Brady came to Salt Lake City. I was one of the few invited to dine with him before the Open at the Airport Hilton. We were talking and as the food came, he asked us all to join him on a blessing on the food. That may not impress you but is was very impressive to me. You just can't fake that kind of sincerity in a prayer. Mock on if you will, but for my money Chris Brady is a real Christian. 

Bob,

My comments are followed by the arrows (--->)
You said:
Anyone upset with LIFE, Orren Woodward or Chris Brady has some explaining to do. ---> There is a LOT of "explaining" on Amthrax.wordpress.com, there are several former high level people who were Orrin's downline who got hosed.

1) ALL LIFE products and services have a 30 day no questions asked money back grantee. ---> Big deal.

2) I have yet to encounter one critic who understands the "TEAM approach" to building the the LIFE business. They insist on applying the Amway you-me-6-4-2 model. Orren spent 5 years trying to make that work and could not! He and Chris Brady, George Gizardo and others scrapped it and created the TEAM approach, which does work. ---> WRONG. As I said above, there are several former high level people on the Amthrax site that understand the "TEAM approach" very well. The problem is they were lied to and their business essentially taken out from under them.

3) ALL the correspondence I personally have had with LIFE critics has resulted in me being called "Idiot" and other things not appropriate here. Orren Woodward teaches the use of "How to Win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnage. Negative people hate "rah rah books" too! ---> Orrin misuses that book, as do all of the other Amway high level IBOs. They teach everybody to be "nice" while they lie through their teeth. If you can't understand that, perhaps the "Idiot" label is accurate. 
4) Many top Corporations and Major Universities are currently using the LIFE products. ---> Can you list a few of them?
5) Open Meetings are free of any charge. ---> How about all of the other meetings?

6) The original article charges Orren Woodward with leading a cult. Cult leaders tell followers what to do and what to think. Orren makes suggestions that, those who actually follow, lead to success in the 8 F's listed below. Orren Woodward teaches critical thinking. How to think, not what to think. ---> That is one of several reasons I don't subscribe to the "cult" theory, I prefer to call them what they are, liars. And RICO fraudsters. 

7) The author of the original offered not one scintilla of evidence, just polemic. I have purchased the materials, I have attended the meetings, I am seeing positive results. How much more evidence do you want? ---> How much money do you make? Net profit? How big is your group? How many of them make a net profit?

I suggest anyone looking at LIFE consider the value of self improvement in the areas of Faith, Family, Finance, Fitness, Following (leadership), Freedom and Fun. ---> I suggest anyone looking at LIFE to not walk away....RUN!!!

From the forgoing post it is obvious that the author wants to create a following using RipoffReport.com for his pulpit. 

1- No one in LIFE says building any business will be EASY. Orren does say it will be worth it.

2- I challenge anyone anywhere to show me any business that can be built to hundreds of thousands of dollars per month using less time or less personal development. 

3- I challenge anyone anywhere to show me any method of self improvement that produces better results in a shorter period of time.

-Bob Sanders
slc-leadership@hotmail.com

Anyone upset with LIFE, Orren Woodward or Chris Brady has some explaining to do.
1) ALL LIFE products and services have a 30 day no questions asked money back grantee.
2) I have yet to encounter one critic who understands the "TEAM approach" to building the the LIFE business. They insist on applying the Amway you-me-6-4-2 model. Orren spent 5 years trying to make that work and could not! He and Chris Brady, George Gizardo and others scrapped it and created the TEAM approach, which does work.
3) ALL the correspondence I personally have had with LIFE critics has resulted in me being called "Idiot" and other things not appropriate here. Orren Woodward teaches the use of "How to Win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnage. Negative people hate "rah rah books" too!
4) Many top Corporations and Major Universities are currently using the LIFE products.
5) Open Meetings are free of any charge.
6) The original article charges Orren Woodward with leading a cult. Cult leaders tell followers what to do and what to think. Orren makes suggestions that, those who actually follow, lead to success in the 8 F's listed below. Orren Woodward teaches critical thinking. How to think, not what to think. 
7) The author of the original offered not one scintilla of evidence, just polemic. I have purchased the materials, I have attended the meetings, I am seeing positive results. How much more evidence do you want?

I suggest anyone looking at LIFE consider the value of self improvement in the areas of Faith, Family, Finance, Fitness, Following (leadership), Freedom and Fun. 

Bob Sanders, slc-leadership@hotmail.com

TEAM/LIFE is the most recent incarnation of Orrin Woodward's version of the Amway Tool Scam. He moved from Amway/Quixtar to MonaVie, and now LIFE. All along the way, he and his other high level followers made MUCH more from the tools that were supposed to be providing the training for his lower level followers, but in fact the training system was the largest source of profit, as it is for most other high level Amway IBOs/Distributors, see stoptheamwaytoolscam.wordpress.com for more information.

Note: I am not technically a former Amway employee (I picked the best fit from the choices offered on the pull down list), but am a long term Amway/Quixtar IBO who was one of millions of people who have been ripped off for several decades for 10s to 100s of billions of dollars, thanks to the Amway Tool Scam.