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Complaint Review: The Pingry School

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  • Submitted: Wed, September 12, 2007
  • Updated: Sat, February 09, 2013

  • Reported By:New York New York
The Pingry School
Country Day Drive, Short Hills, NJ And Also Martinsville, NJ Short Hills, New Jersey U.S.A.

The Pingry School The Pingry School: Incompetent Teachers, Ridiculous Tuition, Cheated Children Martinsville/Short Hills, NJ New Jersey

*Consumer Comment: Pingry and their Sacred Cows

*Consumer Suggestion: Why isn't the faculty screened for drug and psychological problems?

*Consumer Comment: Another Fine Entry in the Pingry Hall of Shame

*Consumer Comment: Teachers at Pingry

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Teachers at Pingry

*Consumer Comment: Two Down, One TO GO!

*Consumer Comment: Bribes were Accepted at Vail-Deane to Raise Kids Grades!

*Consumer Comment: Solution: Install Surveillance Cameras in Every Classroom!

*UPDATE Employee: This School's Horrific LACK of an Apology to These Students Speaks Volumes

*UPDATE Employee: This School's Horrific LACK of an Apology to These Students Speaks Volumes

*Consumer Comment: Thinking twice about Pingry

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: school gives me creeps

*Consumer Comment: This School's Practices Could Drive Students to COMMIT SUICIDE!

*Consumer Comment: This Kind of Lack of Respect for Students is Dangerous

*Consumer Comment: When Carolyn Gibson Set Up Her Own Husband

*Consumer Comment: The Unevolved Mrs. Gibson

*General Comment: Myth-Busting

*Consumer Comment: MRs. Gibson Let Students Manhandle Other Students

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: A Word about Mrs. Gibson

*Consumer Comment: Suggestion to All: Rent the Movie "Scent of a Woman"

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Exclusive Private Schools were Set Up TO EXCLUDE

* : Of Honor Codes and Camouflage

*Consumer Comment: Personal Attack

*Consumer Comment: It's Pingry That Is Wrong in So Many Ways!

*Consumer Suggestion: This is SO wrong in SO many ways!!! (I'm on Pingry's side FYI!!!)

*Consumer Comment: The List of Incompetents who Allow Abuse of Kids at Pingry

*Consumer Comment: This is Child Abuse

*Consumer Comment: another awful Pingry experience - I'm glad this is getting out

*Consumer Comment: Pingry School Rap Song

*Consumer Comment: Pingry School Rap Song

*Consumer Comment: A STUDENT AT A PRIVATE SCHOOL FOR NEARLY A DECADE?

*UPDATE Employee: Yeah, go ahead and sue Pingry on your imaginary grounds

*Consumer Comment: Confirimed Sighting: Toshi Gibson's Business Really is Kaput

*Consumer Comment: Toshi Gibson's Business Has Been Closed Down!

*Consumer Comment: A Call to Arms: Where to Write and Fight!

*Consumer Comment: A Call to Arms: Where to Write and Fight!

*Consumer Comment: A Call to Arms: Where to Write and Fight!

*Consumer Comment: Pingry Creeps, You're Going on Report!

*Consumer Comment: JUST THE NAME OF THIS PLACE WOULD MAKE ME WANT TO AVOID IT!

*Consumer Comment: The Jig is Up!

*Consumer Comment: WHY ARE YOU WASTING YOUR MONEY FOR WHAT YOU COULD GET FOR FREE IN A PUBLIC SCHOOL?

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Graduated over 20 years ago. Sad nothing has changed.

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Graduated over 20 years ago. Sad nothing has changed.

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Graduated over 20 years ago. Sad nothing has changed.

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Graduated over 20 years ago. Sad nothing has changed.

*Consumer Comment: Get With the Program Yourself

*Consumer Comment: Get with the program.

*Consumer Comment: Expect Nothing from Private Schools Because You'll Get It

*Consumer Comment: Zero Accountability at The Pingry School

*Consumer Comment: Zero Accountability at The Pingry School

*Consumer Comment: Zero Accountability at The Pingry School

*Consumer Comment: Zero Accountability at The Pingry School

*Consumer Suggestion: private schools have good points and bad ones as well

*Consumer Comment: It's a FALLACY that Private School Tuition Pays for Access to the "Best Teachers Available"

*Consumer Comment: Additional Carolyn & Toshi Gibson Information

*Consumer Comment: Let's Sue

*Consumer Comment: Keep on Posting, Pingry People!

*Consumer Comment: Investigate this Pingry School Without Any Further Delay!

*Consumer Comment: Pingry School should be Investigated Without any Further Delay

*Consumer Comment: Wow, it's still the same, even 20 years later

*Consumer Suggestion: This School Sounds Creepy

*Consumer Comment: Carolyn and Toshi Gibson: Every Parent's Worst Nightmare Come True

*Consumer Comment: Pingry teachers are exemplary; Dr. Richardson is a great example

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I made the mistake of sending my gifted daughter to The Pingry School. The Pingry School is a private school in NJ that claims it is for academically advanced children and that claims to offer a great education. My child was bright enough to pass the entrance exam there with flying colors. However, my daughter was shy. That's it, just shy. And she was put through the ringer for it by the incompetents on the staff at Pingry.

My child wrote a composition in English class about another child she knew from our neighborhood. That other child was depressed and had a pretty bad home life. The assignment was to describe someone she knew and she went ahead and wrote the story of her friend. Well, the imbeciles running The Pingry School "decided" it was NOT about my daughter's friend, oh no, those geniuses "decided" my child was writing about HERSELF and disguising it as being about somebody else. This was ridiculous, but that's what they did, and the next thing my daughter knows she is being dragged off to see their in-house school psychologist, Richardson. Richardson-as-shrink was so horrible to my child that it's several years later now and she is not over his interference in her life yet. He came down on my child for being shy, for getting good grades - in a supposedly gifted school is that a crime? - for not being belle of the ball, for being a good kid, and for writing that composition about somebody else, which he and the school just would not believe. I've never seen anything so atrocious. My child says he made her feel like she was a piece of dirt, and instead of reassuring her that there was nothing wrong with her being the nice shy kid I had worked so hard to raise, he made her feel like she was, in her words, "a mental case." Richardson told my daughter and other kids he "treated" that they had "problems they didn't know about." Richardson is nothing more than a thief of children's pride, and so is The Pingry School for employing him, allowing him to do this to our kids, and allowing this kind of a witch hunt to go on, especially under circumstances this ridiculous as when a child simply expresses her thoughts about another child in a written composition in the first place.

And it gets even wilder and even crazier. I recently found out that another member of the staff over there at The Pingry School is one Carolyn Gibson. My friend used to work with Carolyn Gibson at another private school and said she used to be the biggest drug abuser in the place, if not on the planet. Now The Pingry School has got THIS particular "paragon of virtue" on their staff. And what are they charging people who want to send their children to a school like Pingry for the "honor" and the "privilege" of having their kids educated by a veteran burn-out like Carolyn Gibson? For the sixth grade, which Gibson teaches, the tuition to go to a soul-murdering school like Pingry is...$24,900 a year, plus extras! That's what. It's a complete disgrace. I am glad my child is out of there.

Also in one of the school buildings the Pingry Powers that Be were too cheap to build enough classrooms; they created "open classrooms," which means kids go to classes in the hallway. Yes, for that kind of money, in the hallway! My daughter and several other Pingry kids she knew from the school told me it was hard to concentrate with all the noise that goes on in those "open classrooms" from people passing by and from other classes. But that's the way they constructed their school for the "gifted": with several classrooms without walls.

I urge parents who are in the market to find private schools for their children to AVOID The Pingry School in Martinsville and Short Hills, NJ. What you will be paying for, if you send your children there, is your child's punishment. I keep hoping my daughter will get back to being her old self as she was BEFORE I was stupid enough to be conned into sending her to Pingry but it's a constant uphill battle and I will feel guilty about having subjected her to The Pingry School until the day I die.

Chocolate jazz
New York, New York
U.S.A.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 09/12/2007 04:13 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/The-Pingry-School/Short-Hills-New-Jersey-07078/The-Pingry-School-The-Pingry-School-Incompetent-Teachers-Ridiculous-Tuition-Cheated-Chi-274323. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Consumer Comment

Pingry and their Sacred Cows

AUTHOR: alexakc - ()

From a business standpoint, treating certain employees as if they're sacred cows is only done if they are of some use to someone.  Either the sacred cows are a higher up's friend or have covered up for a higher up, or do them favors.  

Someone, clearly, is protecting these individuals.  There is report after report about emotional child abuse if not flat out emotional torture.  The few lame assertions that this school has an Honor Code that makes it better than most schools is absurd since if they had an honor code these incidents would not get reported as having happened in the first place.

Who is protecting the sacred cows of Pingry - and why?

The Parents ought to really try to find out what is happening if the administration is protecting their in house contingent of child abusers.  They're lucky no child of mine is going to such a school.  I'd run background checks on every single person involved and have the faculty members named on these reports thoroughly investigated until I knew what was really going on.

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#2 Consumer Suggestion

Why isn't the faculty screened for drug and psychological problems?

AUTHOR: harrah - ()

What is going on at Pingry that the students are being referred to quacks but the abusive faculty members are not?  Why are there teachers who are allowed to get away with so much abuse?  Why isn't the woman on drugs sitting in a classroom rather than a rehab?  Why is the teacher they say was sexually abusing girls not brought up on charges?

Private schools are not about what the school can give to the students.  They're all about what they can get.  They want students with athletic or artistic ability that will help enhance the reputation of the school.  They want students from wealthy families who can hand them as much cash as they ask for.  I get all this because I went to one myself, and it was a nightmare.  So what I want to ask here is, what is this Pingry getting from these sadistic staff members?  They have got to be getting something.  Either they get something they want from these lowlife faculty members or they are getting access to something through these people. 

I would suggest that law enforcement take a good look at every person mentioned here.  I would not be suprised if what's going on there is that these adults are the drug suppliers for this school.

 

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#3 Consumer Comment

Another Fine Entry in the Pingry Hall of Shame

AUTHOR: Snowberg - ()

Add this Sally Dugan homewrecker to the Pingry Hall of Shame.  Watching what goes on at this school is like watching a very bad satire.  Their website is obsessed with honor, honor, honor and then they hire the smarmiest people imaginable.  The Nazis were obsessed with honor too.  "Ehre" they called it.  The worst of the worst always seem to love the concept of honor perhaps because they don't really have any in them.  It's missing from what they have inside!  Hey! 

An image search on Sally Dugan revealed she's not too attractive so going after other women's husbands is probably the best she thinks she can get.  Keep this in mind.  If Sally Dugan works in the Lower School then she reports to the Assistant Director of the school and that's the Gibson freak.  The Gibson freak was once told to get married or get fired at another school she worked at for the way SHE was parading around like a slattern while unmarried.  She is also by several accounts a drug user and that seems to be fine with the Pingry powers too for some reason.  These are sick people.  They condone situations like this.  I'm fascinated by the why behind it all.  Why allow this to go on in front of children at a private school that costs parents so much?  That is a why without an answer.  What can possibly be the point?  The only aspect of it known for sure is your husband's concubine Sally Dugan is working for someone who would condone inappropriate and destructive behavior like that.  It's vile, isn't it?

I hope you take your philandering husband to the cleaners! 

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#4 Consumer Comment

Teachers at Pingry

AUTHOR: Celito Lindo - ()

Don't look for morality there.  You will never find it.

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Teachers at Pingry

AUTHOR: Wife of Scott Winn - ()

Second grade teacher Sally Dugan has not only been sleeping with my husband, but she has parading him at graduation events that not only included parents but peers of my children.  It is one thing tio break up a marriage (although  Scott Winn has a long history of philandering and prostitutes as I have recently discovered an have the financial records for proof) but it quite another to humiliate innocent teenagers by parading around with a married man.  Some women will do anything foir money, but they shouldn't be teachers in private schools shaping the moral values of children when they have none of their own.

 

 

 

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#6 Consumer Comment

Two Down, One TO GO!

AUTHOR: deepthroat - ()

Happy to see that Mrs. Gibson the High and Flighty is on here and BUSTED!  The way she treated us!  She was a verbal godzilla on a perpetual rampage when I knew her.  Not a nice person on any level at all except if the headmaster or another teacher was around, then the phony charm was turned on.  Disgusting!  I hear people who get high sometimes are self-medicating because they're bipolar.  Well hey in her case I saw first hand that shoe fits.

I heard that two of the Pingry teachers that students complained about, Richardson and Lionetti, have retired.  Hopefully they were pushed out.  Hopefully Gibson-the-Dissipated will be next!  She can't be protected over there forever.  Nobody can, and students already have blown the whistle. If the school really cared they'd either get rid of her or put her in a hospital.  Hang tough, students!  She's got to be let go sometime!

 

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#7 Consumer Comment

Bribes were Accepted at Vail-Deane to Raise Kids Grades!

AUTHOR: furiousmay - (United States of America)

Well I just want to caution you people.  If you have a person on that staff of yours who worked at Vail-Deane, where my child was treated like a piece of garbage ever day by the staff, that Headmaster at Vail-Deane, Jack MOrgan, he was taking bribes to raise kids grades.  Even little kids grades, even fifth graders.  So if you have a staff member from there, that's who she was trained by.  I'd say every member of the Pingry staff needs to be audited by the IRS.  Birds of a feather all flock together and you got one big bird over there who worked at a bribery school!  Jack Morgan was worse than Fagin in Oliver for what he was doing to kids.  You people need to clean up your act!
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#8 Consumer Comment

Solution: Install Surveillance Cameras in Every Classroom!

AUTHOR: hopespringseternal - (United States of America)

Let me tell you something.  I was the victim of child abuse at another school by one of the people who is now employed by Pingry's clueless administration.  She was a really sick ticket and she should have been stopped in her tracks way back when.  You want to stop this sort of thing?  Then take some positive action!  Install surveillance cameras in every single classroom!  Preferrably ones with streaming video!  Let the board, the administrators and the parents have a chance to access what's going on in those classrooms over their computers!  Let every single move those teachers are making be on film so that the teachers have no choice but to be accountable for their actions.  My, my, how nice that would be for a change with a psycho like that freak you've got on the staff!  Then also allow the students to have phones that can record movies of what goes on in the classrooms if there isany kind of sicko trouble!  If you already had that mother you've got on your staff in a position where she was getting filmed and had to answer to her superiors for every last one of her actions you would not be on Ripoff Report for being an abusive school that doesn't care about your students in the first place.  Do something constructive and nip this in the bud and do it before she escalates and this gets worse.  You don't know what you're dealing with on your staff, but I was abused by the same lunatic and I do know!  Stop her!
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#9 UPDATE Employee

This School's Horrific LACK of an Apology to These Students Speaks Volumes

AUTHOR: emm - (United States of America)

There are so many complaints here and on other sites about this school and these teachers.  But where is there even one apology to the students who were hurt by these people?  If you're considering sending your daughter to this frightmare of a school, please ask yourself that.  Ask yourself why you would want to subject your daughter to people like this.  Do you hate your daughter or love her?  Because she's not going to be nurtured in this place, let me tell you that.  You're only going to be paying for her to either get subjected to abuse herself or watch it happen to the kid sitting next to her.

I know well the subject of which I speak.  One of the teachers who people are writing complaints about on this thread gave me nothing, absolutely nothing, except repeated emotional abuse every day.  Severe emotional abuse.  Severe and needless.  Daily, too.  These complaints are valid.  I know because I lived through a version of them from that sicko myself.  That psychotic freak tried to break my spirit repeatedly.

Do you see any apology here, though?  Does the school headmaster apologize?  Does the administration?  Do the teachers who are mentioned on here by name stand up and admit they were wrong and apologize?  Do they even try to explain themselves?  I don't believe there is ever any excuse for the sort of abuse of kids that I went through or that others have detailed on here, but wouldn't you think these jerks would at least try to say something about why they did what they did?  They know they've hurt the kids.  So?  Where are the Pingry staff members who did all this?  Do they stand up and say something to try and repair their damage to us?  Or are they at home tonight, cowardly feigning innocence on the outside while they know good and well they've actually already been exposed on here for who and what they truly are on the not-too-well-hidden-anymore inside?

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#10 UPDATE Employee

This School's Horrific LACK of an Apology to These Students Speaks Volumes

AUTHOR: emm - (United States of America)

There are so many complaints here and on other sites about this school and these teachers.  But where is there even one apology to the students who were hurt by these people?  If you're considering sending your daughter to this frightmare of a school, please ask yourself that.  Ask yourself why you would want to subject your daughter to people like this.  Do you hate your daughter or love her?  Because she's not going to be nurtured in this place, let me tell you that.  You're only going to be paying for her to either get subjected to abuse herself or watch it happen to the kid sitting next to her.

I know well the subject of which I speak.  One of the teachers who people are writing complaints about on this thread gave me nothing, absolutely nothing, except repeated emotional abuse every day.  Severe emotional abuse.  Severe and needless.  Daily, too.  These complaints are valid.  I know because I lived through a version of them from that sicko myself.  That psychotic freak tried to break my spirit repeatedly.

Do you see any apology here, though?  Does the school headmaster apologize?  Does the administration?  Do the teachers who are mentioned on here by name stand up and admit they were wrong and apologize?  Do they even try to explain themselves?  I don't believe there is ever any excuse for the sort of abuse of kids that I went through or that others have detailed on here, but wouldn't you think these jerks would at least try to say something about why they did what they did?  They know they've hurt the kids.  So?  Where are the Pingry staff members who did all this?  Do they stand up and say something to try and repair their damage to us?  Or are they at home tonight, cowardly feigning innocence on the outside while they know good and well they've actually already been exposed on here for who and what they truly are?

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#11 Consumer Comment

Thinking twice about Pingry

AUTHOR: BFFMom - (United States of America)

Interesting to read all the comments about the Pingry School. We are planning to move to Morris County (still looking for a house) early next year and have been researching communities with great schools. So far we have come up with Short Hills, Chatham, Summit, and Madison. We've also looked into Harding but will only consider living there if there is an excellent private school for our daughter. I looked at the Pingry website and was impressed with the various academic and athletic offerings. I am very concerned, however, with all the negative comments I have read on this site. Of course, being a former New Yorker, I realize no school is without its supporters and critics. Still, the comments that have been made will force me to tour the school with eyes wide open if private school becomes a real option. I plan to also look into Oak Knoll but the course offerings there seem somewhat bland (still offering Spanish and French as the only foreign languages seems so...20th century.) One interesting observation after reading all the comments: they were pretty well written for somewhat angry authors. I must say, for the former Pingry students it doesn't seem like they lacked a good education, at least in Writing or English. Not too many typo's either. Quite impressive. 

Thanks for all the constructive comments. From what I have read on other blogs, there are also plenty of happy and unhappy former students and parents at the Short Hills elementary and high school as well as the Summit high school (something about a massive drug-dealing ring within the school?) Oh well. Home-schooling is not an option so will have to make a choice soon as the confusion is delaying our selection of a house! 
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#12 REBUTTAL Owner of company

school gives me creeps

AUTHOR: sonny - (United States of America)

This school creeps me out too.  I remember in the 1970's of this pingry school student who went pschyo and killed his parents.  I think he was a neo nazi too.  Anyone else remember this pschyo serial killer too?  Maybe Michael Meyers?
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#13 Consumer Comment

This School's Practices Could Drive Students to COMMIT SUICIDE!

AUTHOR: reasonvox - (United States of America)

I've been shocked at the reports about this heinous school since reading them yesterday.  It seems like there are faculty members who are projecting their own problems and hang ups onto the students, like they are hoping the students all have psychological problems.  Grown men with nerves of steel often can't withstand being falsely called crazy.  Why do it to kids?  They'll target the wrong student one day and that student will jump out the window or something if the adults don't stop this.  Is that what they want?  My God, to the whole place I say clean your act up!  Before you push some poor kid into an early grave over nothing.
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#14 Consumer Comment

This Kind of Lack of Respect for Students is Dangerous

AUTHOR: tigereye - (USA)

What people are writing about this school is very disturbing.  The lack of respect the faculty seems to have for the students is dangerous.  I cannot imagine how they believe they are helping students by erroneously telling them they are bipolar or have ADHD or need electroencephalagrams.  There must be a profound problem there on the part of the faculty and the administration.  That so many students and parents are reporting wrong diagnoses is also disturbing.  The students thus targeted will grow up both ashamed and enraged.  I have to wonder what kind of posturing this faculty is doing.
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#15 Consumer Comment

When Carolyn Gibson Set Up Her Own Husband

AUTHOR: SingOutLouise - (U.S.A.)

Seeing the latest Carolyn Gibson report on here reminded me of something I'd almost forgotten. 

When Mrs. Gibson was trying to get me in trouble way back when, also over nothing, as the previous person on here also experienced, she took it upon herself to write a letter about me, but claimed falsely that she was writing it because her husband from Japan "could not write it himself."   A few months earlier he had written a rather funny entry to me in perfectly spelled and grammatical English in my yearbook, but she claimed he "couldn't write" and wrote me up nastily "for him."  My family members and I always thought he probably had nothing to do with it, and that it was all her idea, done just to cause trouble, since if she adored anything, it wasn't her husband, obviously, since she didn't hesitate to set him up, no, it was causing trouble.  To her, maybe this was even power.  She probably also thought it made her important.  If her husband had truly wanted to write anything, he was perfectly capable of doing it for himself.  After all, he was about 30 at the time, not 3!  Yet she didn't hesitate to make a fool out of him, an idiot.  I didn't like him, but I pitied him.  If Mrs. Gibson were to have the courage to read this, which I doubt she possesses, but if she did, I wonder how important and powerful she'd feel now, to know the kiddies are finally opening up and and shouting about all this and more.

Now what were you people saying about your teachers and their noble little mighty  and marvelous Honor Code?




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#16 Consumer Comment

The Unevolved Mrs. Gibson

AUTHOR: alsoanonymous - (United States of America)

A friend let me know there's a report on here saying Mrs. Gibson never harmed students.  Whoever wrote that, you couldn't be more wrong.

Mrs. Gibson had a beef with my parents.  I think it was pure jealousy in origin.  They did better in life than she did.  So she started saying I was this big problem child, that I was doing things I had never done in my life.  She lied.  She lies like a rug.  She convinced everyone at the school that I had "a problem," even though I didn't.  She said I had ADHD.  I didn't. 

I had to go to doctors.  I even had to get an EEG when I was just a kid, get hooked up to a machine where they monitor your brain waves with electrodes, like science fiction, which terrified me.  All for Mrs. Gibson!  All to shut Mrs. Gibson up!

The results of the test were that there was nothing wrong with me.  The doctor said the only thing he could see wrong was that school!  I got transferred out but while I was still there I was getting sick to my stomach in the morning before having to come face to face with Mrs. Gibson the Unevolved.  The only "big problems" I had were the ones she was making up to "get to" my parents!

Now I find all this written here and I am so glad that the story is finally coming to light.  There's another thread saying the school went and gave Mrs. Gibson a free trip to China. They need to face what's really going on and the real character, or rather lack thereof, of the people like that who are on their faculty.  In the end it's the students who are losing out.

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#17 General Comment

Myth-Busting

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (USA)

I am a recent grad of the Pingry School. My friends and I have been watching this site for a while now because of how entertaining it is. Really, everybody posting that Lionetti, Richardson and Gibson should be ARRESTED (???) are out of your minds. But that's not what moved me to actually finally respond. It's this part listing the "people allowing abuse at the pingry school":


"Nathaniel Conard, Headmaster; Theodore Corvino, Head of the Lower School; Jonathan Leef, Head of the Middle School; Denise Brown-Allen, Head of the Upper School; John Pratt, CFO; Reena Gold Kamins, Director of Admissions,among others; and on the Board of Trustees who are also doing nothing to stop what is going on at Pingry we have John B. Brescher; John W. Holman III; Edward S. Atwater; Alice F. Rooke; and Harold Borden, among others."



I know, personally, more than half the people on this list. They were my educators and friends during my time at Pingry. Whoever has listed their names either does not know these people or has a personal grudge against them for something completely irrelevant. I have to assume, though, that you do know some of these people on some level, because you didn't just copy and paste the entire administration. The head of the Middle School is conspicuously missing. The Board of Trustees is obviously comprised of more people than that. And this is what makes me mad; you do not know anything about what you're talking about, because these are some of the most qualified people at Pingry and suggesting that they are allowing "abuse of children" is sick.



These posts have shown what the real problem is with Pingry: the parents. What drives a kid to go to Pingry? I think in most cases, here in New Jersey, where public education is pretty good, it's not a kid's ambition for a higher education when they're in 6th or 7th grade. It's a parent who wants more for their kid. So you have this school where people are only there because their parents want them there. Obviously, this begins to change, and as we mature, we discover our own reasons to love and respect Pingry. But for the entirety of our careers, parents want us at Pingry, reaping grand benefits and winning at everything.



The joke at Pingry among the students is that teachers are actually the least stressful aspect of our lives. They are oftentimes our friends, and really genuinely want us to learn. It's over-competitive and over-involved parents who can ruin a kid's education. That's what drives kids to depression, and yes, maybe even drugs. I knew several cases of messed up kids that were highly influenced by their parents to have this feeling of "entitlement," that just because they were at Pingry they deserved the best of everything it had to offer, without any respect for other kids who may have wanted the same thing. In contrast, there were those parents who drove their kids to ridiculous and frenzied competition when it's not warranted. I'm not now saying that parents are the ones to blame and that all parents were awful. My parents and a lot of the parents of kids I knew at Pingry were very supportive and helpful. I'm just disgusted with this picture painted by PARENTS on this site who seem to think that teachers are "abusing" and "messing up" their kids. 



I attended Pingry recently, and there are a couple other comments from other recent grads, and it's funny how drastically an opinion of a school changes when the perspective shifts from the parent, to the ACTUAL CUSTOMER. Yes, I know parents are paying for this education, but are you receiving the benefits of it? The students really have the best and most valid opinion here, because they're the ones, at the end of the day, who can say accurately what Pingry did for them. And I'm not going to bother listing the reasons I love Pingry - this post is long enough as it is.



So you people who think you know what you're talking about because of a crime Mrs. Gibson committed decades ago, are you serious? Not once did anybody actually mention a negative implication on her job, or how she interacts with STUDENTS. She was my favorite teacher in 6th grade, other than the afore-mentioned Ted Corvino, and I had no idea about any of this drug stuff until I read this site. Which is why I'm lead to assume most of you are parents freaking out about the fact that she was an ADDICT and smoked POT. Newsflash to you naive posters: if your kid is going to pingry, they probably want to go to college, where MOST OF THE CLASS will be smoking pot and using other illegal substances. Get ready to deal with the issue of pot for the rest of your kid's education. I'm not excusing Gibson, I'm just saying it's not the awful influential moral crime you seem to think it is, if she is still smoking. 



(And I agree that exposing lower school students to pot is actually an awful thing, but I never read any implication or heard anything from the school that even sounded like that. The complaints here have mostly been that she smokes pot, period, not that she exposes the kids to illegal drugs. And what she's done 20 years ago is irrelevant now.)



As for Lionetti and Richardson, this is a tricky subject. There is a program at Pingry called Peer Leadership where seniors are selected by these two faculty members to be leaders to the incoming class of freshmen. It is a highly competitive and cutthroat process, because many people want it (it looks good for college) and only a few can get it. Unfortunately, every year, when the decisions come out, parents become enraged that these two people have judged their children inadequate to be leaders. Angry letters are written, hate is brewed, and general tension is created. For this reason it's oftentimes normal for half the parents of the senior class to hate them by the time their kids graduate. As for their psychiatric services, I have a really good friend who was diagnosed with depression in middle school by Dr. Richardson, and while it was a bumpy road my friend finally made a huge turn-around. At the time of diagnosis, we doubted it and were quite frustrated that Richardson labeled a child so easily. But now that the process is over and my friend is "cured," it's remarkable how much of a change it is and how much more self-confident and happy he is now.



Everyone has their own stories, though, when it comes to psychiatrists, and I have to respect whatever other experience people have had. As a long-time student, I'm just gonna dispel the rumors that are pervading this page right here and now: There is no abuse of children happening at the Pingry School. Spend less time complaining and more time encouraging your children to seek the real benefits Pingry has to offer.
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#18 Consumer Comment

MRs. Gibson Let Students Manhandle Other Students

AUTHOR: emilypost - (United States of America)

Mrs. Gibson let students manhandle other students.  I was touched in all the wrong places by one.  I was kicked by another one.  She allowed it.  She didn't stop it.  She  smirked in students faces about it!  She even said if it happens to you it's your fault!  She took no control and she was in charge of the students!  If this happened today they would haul her away in a police car and she would deserve all that and more.  What this woman was doing was wrong!  I am deliriously happy te see the stories about her are being revealed at last and have hope someone does something about all this very soon.  
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A Word about Mrs. Gibson

AUTHOR: Aberdeen - (United States of America)

I knew Carolyn Gibson.  I wanted to caution all of you.  You are right to question her right to influence children but she responds to direct confrontation by feigning victimhood.  She is doubtlessly using the concept that she has been reported on Ripoff Report to create a Mittel European opera about herself.  I can hear her crying that she's a victim already.  She always did.  It will be an amazingly convincing performance, and entirely false. 

Carolyn Gibson does need to be stopped.  Oh yes.  But she will cry that she is being victimized by the writers of the reports.  I almost wish I could watch it.  It's her one and only hope to beat this.

Carolyn Gibson had issues that should have been addressed long ago by professionals.  Make no mistake.  Do not be taken in.

 

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#20 Consumer Comment

Suggestion to All: Rent the Movie "Scent of a Woman"

AUTHOR: SingOutLouise - (U.S.A.)

To any and all kids, past, present or future, who are being underestimated in a private school with an honor code that exists for some but not for all, I suggest that you go out and rent the movie "Scent of a Woman."  It takes Al Pacino as a blind ex-Marine with an overabundance of common sense to come in and straighten all those private school hypocrites out.   A cavalry of one, he tells them off to perfection and saves the day for a student.

I hope things have gotten better at the school, but if they haven't, remember that, "Sooner or later, ALL tyrannies crumble!"  It happened to Mussolini.  It happened in East Germany and brought down the Berlin Wall.  It can even happen at a private school. 
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Exclusive Private Schools were Set Up TO EXCLUDE

AUTHOR: Bubblingbrownsugar - (United States of America)

I want to point something out: exclusive private schools with a long history were not set up, initially, for academic purposes at all.  They were set up for one reason and one reason only: TO EXCLUDE any student who was not a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant.  To the WASP founders of these places, the very idea of letting their WASP offspring mix with "the lower classes," by which they meant "anybody who wasn't a fellow WASP," like the American students whose roots were in Africa, Asia, Mediterranean Europe, etc.  Pingry and schools like it were not founded on egalitarian principles.  Just the opposite.

They were founded as racist institutions and their main agenda was to keep out the children they considered "rifraff" and "scum."   I even heard faculty members using the term "scum" to describe some of the children who came in there after it was integrated.

If your son or daughter is considered "scum" by the people who still predominate at such schools, and the WASPs do still predominate, then no matter how much tuition you are paying to get him or her in, the child will be considered potentially "problematic" before he or she ever opens his or her mouth to say so much as one single word.  Of course such places have psychologists on their staffs to negatively single out these children.  The whole idea is to get the parents to withdraw the "lowlife" children from the school.  It isn't even to help them. This cannot be done directly, only indirectly.  Most of the ones who were being referred did not need help.  They just didn't have the correct pedigree and didn't fit in with the WASPs. Most parents won't stand for their children being negatively labeled and will withdraw them.  That is the whole idea.

I had to laugh out loud when reading one of Pingry's diversity measures on their website.  It concerned embracing diversity because the students need to learn how to navigate in a diverse world.  It didn't mention embracing diversity because to do so is right. 

I caution everyone on considering any of these old-time WASP schools for their daughters and sons.

 

 

 

 

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Of Honor Codes and Camouflage

AUTHOR: Malibu cliffs - (U.S.A.)

Reading some of the pro-Pingry rebuttals to the first Ripoff Report on here is like reading the work of brainwashed cult members.  I can hardly believe that students from the school are excusing the mindless behavior of some of the faculty members by bringing up the school "honor code."  Who cares what the honor code says?  If people don't live by it, they don't believe it.  An "honor code" like that is just camouflage, easily appropriated by the brand of jerks who need to hide behind it. 

I have to wonder if students are really filing some of these "honor code" rebuttals or if it's faculty members themselves.  It's all too painfully clear from what the rest of the students and parents are writing over here that there are faculty and staff at this school who are seriously damaging the students, and it seems to me there is no "honor code" anywhere that can justify that.  In fact, it's laughable.
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#23 Consumer Comment

Personal Attack

AUTHOR: Spain92 - (U.S.A.)

PLEASE READ

Let me begin from the end. I recently graduated The Pingry School a member of the Cum Laude Society, captain of the perennial champion soccer team, and have moved on to study at a pretigious Ivy League school.

Now let me explain how I got here. Often I think about my alma mater Pingry, and I happened to Google just the name -"pingry." I then scrolled down to the link to read some horrible things being said about the private institution that I have grown to love.

Don't get me wrong, I am not in love with the idea of private schools, I often find the tuition does not justify the difference in the the quality of education between public and private schools. And this is exactly the argument that I presented my parents with in 8th grade, when they had decided that I leave the Bridgewater public school system and enroll at Pingry. I had spend 9 years in my beloved Bridgewater school system and I found nothing wrong with it. And to tell you the truth, if you are a self motivated student who doesn't require extra help often, then public school and private school are not that different (except I found out later that the material in parallel classes at BR and pingry were much much more advanced at pingry)

Needless to say, there were tears almost everyday during my summer before 9th grade at pingry. Moreso than anyone else I knew, I wanted to stay at my public school and not go to Pingry. It would take a lot to convince me to stay at Pingry, let alone enjoy it. In fact, the first few weeks I demonized the school, didn't even try to make friends, and stayed to myself, believing that I would leave the school after a few months.

But there was some kind of turning point. Even to this day I can't pinpoint the event, time, or place where the psychological turnaround took place, but I remember feeling angry that I could not help to love the place that I was dropped off at every morning at 8 am. I developed a habit of staying late at school (until about 6pm) every day to be with friends, see teachers, play sports, and do homework. I do not want to bore my audience with sentimental feelings about my old school, so I will just continue with a concrete list of the top things that make Pingry an incredibe institution full of incredible people.

1. Honor Code
You don't need to attend Pingry to know what the Honor Code is. You do, however, need to attend Pingry to understand how it permeates through the entire school. The heirarchy of student, teacher, administrator is blurry at Pingry because everyone is bound by the Honor Code, which gives the student an incredible and deserved amount of freedom at Pingry. No matter who you are at Pingry, you feel important.

2. The Faculty
Like many of my classmates, I took the time to get to know every single one of my educators at a more personal level. I would ask them why they dont teach at public schools if they would get paid more there. The common response would always be that teaching Pingry students (we're a strange breed, so competetive and college oriented) is a pleasure, and the difference in pay does not make up for the fact that a good percentage of the kids in any public school are uneducateable delinquents, in every sense of the word. Simple economics- everyone strives for maximum self benefit, and obviously teaching the bright kids at Pingry is worth the decrease in pay.

And what is this garbage about teachers not having college degrees. Visit the Pingry website to find a list of teachers and the colleges they attended. Please do not make things up because at the bottom of these posts, youre required to attest that everything you've written is true.

And a side note about the psychiatric services offered at pingry. I understand that Dr. Richardson and Mrs. Lionetti have been sufficiently demonized on this website, and I won't even argue with the people who say that they are horrible counselors because I have heard mixed opinions from many many students during my 4 years at pingry. And I will even go on to say that Psychiatric services are NOT for everyone, especially those offered in the school environment. No one is forced to see Dr. Rich or Mrs. Lionetti EVER. After the sudden death of my good friend John Taylor Babbitt (God rest his soul), my friends and I were approached by Dr. Richardson and while many students decided they needed his help, many also refused (like i did) and that was the end of it. I was approached a few more times, but I took this as a caring gesture more than a prying and invasive thing. Every student has the right to refuse school psychiatric help, and it is ridiculous that one would leave a school because of it. Of course anyone can twist a story like this to make the school counselors seem "creepy" or "intrusive" but that just proves that these whiny parents really don't know what they're talking about.

The Facilities-
Whoever wrote that the guy who designs malls also designed Pingry is totally right. I think the school is ugly and at times the layout of the classrooms makes things noisy. But in case you oldies forgot, "open classrooms" were one of the innovative teaching methodologies with which hundreds of schools experimented in the 70's. The open-air system was just another idea like the Harkness Table (a circular table that provides a more dicussion oriented teaching experience, rather than straight lecture) which has become very popular. So do not fault the school for trying to have an open-air design initially because that was most likely experimental. Also, there are no "open" classes there today. Everyone uses a classroom. But discouting aesthetics, the Pingry School has an amazing facility. Students can relax and do most of their homework on couches, Wi-Fi reception is perfect throughout the whole building, the computer labs (there are three full sized computer labs) are kept up to date with new software, and there are a few laptop carts that come in handy when doing labs.

The College Counseling-
The college counseling staff at pingry really made my senior year at pingry memorable. No one can argue that their isnt enough focus and available help when it comes to making one of the most important decisions of a young person's life. Pingry has harbored some of the brightest kids in New Jersey, and its reputation among college admissions is extremely high. I have heard a few of my peers complain that some of the college counselors aren't as helpful with athletic scholarships or athletic support by colleges, but that can be easily attributed to the fact that students are required to communicate with college coaches much earlier than they are assigned a college counselor at school. However, the addition of a Mr. Tim Lear (a Pingry and Princeton alum) has proved invaluable. He is extremely knowledgable about the entire college admissions process from start to finish and it was an incredibly comforting experience having him guide my college decisions. If your son or daughter needs the VERY BEST in college counseling, the Pingry School has the only Mr. Tim Lear in the world. The rest of the staff is highly knowledgable too, although it is clear that Tim Lear runs that department. This is probably one of Pingry's strongest attributes.

BOTTOM LINE:

The person I am now has been molded for four critical years by the pingry school. The person I am now has been a member of the Pingry community and it has become my closest and most supportive family. Anyone on this website attacking the Pingry School is making a personal attack on me as well as all my peers who have become better people by attending this school. The negative comments made about the quality of the faculty need to be cast aside by more people like me who know those allegations to be false. The supposed flawed architecture of the school doesn't make this school different than any other since there are no open classrooms. Most importantly, I need to make it known that the title of this thread -"The Pingry School The Pingry School: Incompetent Teachers, Ridiculous Tuition, Cheated Children Martinsville/Short Hills, NJ New Jersey The Pingry School" is utterly absurd and puts me on the verge of nausea. It is an insult to my intelligence and dignity to be told that I have been scammed or "cheated" in some way. To have some overly vociferous parents slander such an institution should be a crime. Thankfully I am certain that the Pingry School's reputation is golden and cannot be tarnished by the allegations made by some on this website.

Frankly surprised at how bad that rap was in a previous post. Not sure who would waste their time doing something like that and posting it as if it were important.
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#24 Consumer Comment

It's Pingry That Is Wrong in So Many Ways!

AUTHOR: Miami Mama - (U.S.A.)

It's Pingry that is wrong in so many ways here and not the students and parents who are coming onto this website to complain. Pingry is wrong.

I would like to suggest that Pingry's administration take the time to look up the term "iatrogenic." It means that the cure is causing the problem, and it sounds like that's what's happening there with all the amateur "psychotherapy" that the kids are having forced down their throats.

I would also like to suggest that Pingry's administration look up the reptile "Eastern Diamondback Rattlesnake." I already know for a fact that you have got one on your staff and that she should have been removed from any environment allowing her to have even a modicum of interaction with children a good long time ago. She goes by the name of Gibson and if she hasn't coiled up and struck one of the children yet, you've been lucky so far, but wait.

I agree with the person who said that Pingry needs to wake up.
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This is SO wrong in SO many ways!!! (I'm on Pingry's side FYI!!!)

AUTHOR: Mystic Spiral - (U.S.A.)

What people are saying about this really shocks me. I have gone to Pingry since Kindergarten. The Pingry School is an excellent community full of wonderful and accepting teachers who reach out to students who need help. I am not writing this to try to "convert" you or anything. Mainly, because I do not want anybody who disrespects the Pingry School IN the Pingry School.

The second reason is that I do not want to seem as if I am only writing this, because I am some "brainwashed" student who has been at Pingry all their life. Actually. I AM a brainwashed Pingry student (along with both of my older sisters, who have both gotten into very wonderful schools that would make people envious--or maybe not. I am not sure of everyone's preferences to colleges, but my sisters are definitely happy and they both got into their number one choices), and I am darn proud of it. Here's why:

At the Pingry School, we have a little (well, rather a big thing) called the honor code. Everyone at Pingry follows the honor code, and if anyone does otherwise, they will be punished. Please do not turn the honor code we have into something with impossible standards of being perfect and sociable. It is rather a code that students (and all faculty) MUST follow, and is not only the rules of the school, it is the guidlines of your life. It includes the golden rule. Treat others the way you would like to be treated. It is honestly not about making sure that everyone is out spoken and talks all the time. Actually, talking in class is discouraged if you do not raise your hand or if you are not working in a group, doing some project of some sort.

If Dr. Richardson pulled your daughter aside, then it was for good reason. He was only trying to help. It is not healthy to surpress things, and being shy is sort of a bad thing. I am a very shy person. I was never told by a faculty member, that I should change at all. I sort of which that they would help in a way, because being out spoken helps you get to certain places in life that you would not get to if you were in a fetal position on a corner (,but of COURSE I am NOT saying that your daughter was like that at ALL, and I am sorry if that's what I came across as with that statement). Oh, and by the way. The honor code is made by the students, and it edited every so often by the students to get everyone's (including newcomers') input.

The people of Pingry (from guidence counselors, to advisors, to peer leaders, and even any teacher or coach or nurse, any faculty member, that a student is confortable with) are there to help students with ALL of their problems; from school work, to social aspects of their lives, they are there for every student.

I may be a brainwashed, but I am full of Pingry Pride. Mrs. Gibson was a wonderful teacher. So what if she was a drug addict; which is something that I have NEVER even thought of until know. Another rebuttal mentioned something along the lines of private schools hiring people to teach that never got their "liscence" or what ever. This is true, but Pingry only hires the best teachers, in my opinion. There is one teacher that did not get his liscence (but he most definitely graduated from college. Pingry would never do THAT), BUT he was very well educated in the subject he taught, because he worked for a very good buisness. Then when he was done working there and wanted to move on to other things, he chose to work at the Pingry School. In my opinion, as well as many others, he is a fabulous teacher, and he probably knows more about the subject, because he lived it and worked with it for many years. He didn't just learn about it like other teachers right out of graduate school.

Regardless. I really do not care if everyone disses the Pingry School. You can if you would like, but please do not sue the school, because of some claim of something that does not reflect the school's teachings. I cannot imagine the Pingry School being hurt in any way, because of something that is so small.

Oh. And one other little thing. Pingry is definitely not running low on funds. We just added the new middle school, which is fully equiped with high-tech devices, WiFi all around, and the best couches in the history of any school (Haha! They are really nice, though. Please do not use that against me or Pingry, saying that I am using any excuse to defend such a wonderful school.) Also, we added a new turf field. The only reason why I say these is, because I am defending the remarks of Pingry's "low budget."

Pingry is most definitely an envied school. Just google "Pingree." It is a school created by a man who was a student at Pingry, I believe. He is now the headmaster, or was the headmaster. I am not sure, because I am too focused on and too in love with PingrY to think about any other school.

Thank you for reading this, and I hope that you will neither do anything to harm nor say anything that abates Pingry or Pingry's reputation.
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#26 Consumer Comment

The List of Incompetents who Allow Abuse of Kids at Pingry

AUTHOR: Gingerbread - (U.S.A.)

These are the people who are allowing the abuse of students at The Pingry School and not stopping it:

Nathaniel Conard, Headmaster; Theodore Corvino, Head of the Lower School; Jonathan Leef, Head of the Middle School; Denise Brown-Allen, Head of the Upper School; John Pratt, CFO; Reena Gold Kamins, Director of Admissions,among others; and on the Board of Trustees who are also doing nothing to stop what is going on at Pingry we have John B. Brescher; John W. Holman III; Edward S. Atwater; Alice F. Rooke; and Harold Borden, among others.

Evil thrives when good people do nothing and none of you have been doing anything to stop what is going on at Pingry so why don't you do the right thing for the sake of the students AND RESIGN! An immediate resignation should also be tendered from Michael C. Richardson, Patricia A. Lionetti, and Carolyn D. Gibson. The best thing all of you could do is leave and if you really cared about the students you would have done so a lot sooner. You're all pathetic, all of you, administration, board members, those three sick staff members, all. Have the sense to go work for a place like AIG or Bernie Madoff where all you can destroy are finances, not our children.
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#27 Consumer Comment

This is Child Abuse

AUTHOR: Orishachango - (U.S.A.)

I am also extremely relieved to find out that the same thing that was done to me was done to so many other students, although at the same time as being relieved, finding this breaks my heart about what was done to me all over again. How can these private school "teachers" DO THIS to children? How can they do it, and WHY?

I was also the target of faculty abuse. Was I ever! There were faculty members that were worse bullies than the kids. From kids it's wrong but developmentally normal, but when it's coming from faculty members, bullying and abuse is just plain sick, and they're obviously cases of arrested development if they're in their 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s and even 60s and still need to scapegoat and mock kids in order to feel better about their own sorry pathetic selves! Private schools don't want kids to be kids, oh no, for a kid going through puberty with over stimulated hormones (which is normal) to behave like a kid going through puberty with over stimulated hormones in a private school where the teachers expect the air to be "so rarified" is something the twits on the faculty like to label "insane" or "crazy." We were all supposed to behave like we were middle aged executives, even in the sixth grade, at private school, and all the time too. You could not have a bad day once in awhile. Oh, no. If you had a bad day, maybe if you cried ONCE over some minor personal problem that, when you're eleven or twelve or whatever, seemed like it was the end of the world to you at the time, they wanted to hang a label of "sickness" on you, and "abnormality." If you weren't some rigid little automaton, sleep walking your way through life, forget it. If you didn't tell them what they wanted to hear all the time, forget it. If you came from a different background and had different values than the faculty, forget it. You could not even laugh or be lighthearted. Well, you couldn't have any kind of a heart at all in such a school, including a light heart. It was "no hearts allowed." I got in trouble for telling some jokes that I'd read in a book that somebody else wrote, I wasn't even the creator of them, I just repeated them, and I was referred to a psychiatrist by the stupid pigs who ran the school over it! My mother wasn't having a problem with me. My father wasn't having a problem with me. No one in my family was having a problem with me. My previous teachers and after I left the private school, my later teachers all thought I was not just a good kid but an exemplary one, and often held me up to the other kids as a good example, but incredibly, in THIS pathetic excuse for a school I had the nerve to tell a few jokes, and off I was bundled to be mind-raped by a shrink.

By the way, does anybody except for the kids who've also been placed in the same disgusting position realize what psychiatrists DO to children? Do these teachers know what they started? Do they care? Do they have hearts, minds, souls? Anything decent inside of them at all? I was subjected to a Freudian monster over telling my few little jokes. The Freudian monster was asking me questions like did I want to have sex WITH MY FATHER!!! The Freudian monster said, "You're not a virgin, are you?" Of course I was. I WAS ELEVEN YEARS OLD!!!!!!! But the Freudian monster started YELLING AT ME when I said that I was a virgin, that I hadn't had sex yet, he demanded to know why not and said I was "abnormal" over not having had it yet - IN THE SIXTH GRADE!!! I sat there scared out of my wits not knowing what was going to happen to me. I couldn't understand why I was being subjected to so much hate from him just because I hadn't done something that I wasn't old enough to be doing in the first place. To yell anything as abusive as that to a child is sexually threatening to the child, or don't the Pingry powers that be realize it yet? Further, Freudian theories were DISPROVED a long time ago, long before this was done to me in the name of "private school." Freudian theories are not even scientific. They are not accurate. In the over a hundred years since Freud came up with them NOBODY has been able to prove them true, NO DATA supports them, and that is because there is none. If anyone doesn't believe me, Google Freudian theory yourself and you'll see. Am I supposed to say thank you, private school teachers, oh, thank you so much, for subjecting me to this kind of unproven, untrue perversion and indignity over a few jokes that somebody else wrote? Do you feel good about yourselves now after you did this to me? Do you think you're somehow superior to me for having started all this?

Couldn't you have left me alone?

Do you know that when you send kids to shrinks for stupid, minor little reasons because YOU enjoy pointing fingers at other people, that YOU are STIGMATIZING us? Do you know how badly the experience hurts? Do you know that the memory of it's like a pain in my heart that never, ever goes away? EVER? Do you know how ashamed you make us feel? Or how terrified? Do you know that if I had a dollar for every nightmare I've ever had about all this abuse in the years since, I'd be about to start my own foundation?

Why do you become teachers at all if you have no desire to nurture kids but only a desire to point your condemnatory fingers at us? Have you ever thought of ENCOURAGING children and teenagers, or is that "too hard" for you? Have you ever thought of BUILDING KIDS UP rather than tearing them down? Is it so hard to COMFORT a child who's having an unpleasant moment, or is that anathema to you? Do you think every child is a decent little human being who's unfolding like a blossom, day by day, into an adult, the way teachers at other schools think, or do you truly believe that we're all psychotic little time bombs on the verge of exploding in your almighty faces? Why do you lot become teachers in the first place? Are you power mad?

Is THIS your idea of power, though - degrading little kids?

If you teachers don't like yourselves, ha, you certainly have a whole lot of good reasons not to, that's for sure. If this kind of thing is the best you can do in the way of exercising power over people, traumatizing other people's kids over nothing is hardly "power," it's just sadism.

Pingry's administration needs to wake up already and start doing a whole lot more for kids than this kind of "abnormal" labeling garbage. You're not helping kids on any level at all with what you're subjecting us to. Wake up! You're taking a part of us and killing it. Wake up! You also don't even care a fig that your actions have horrific ramifications for the kids or that we have to live with these memories forever. Wake up! You're a private school that pretends to appreciate an academically stimulating environment yet doesn't respect science at all because if you did you wouldn't be subjecting anyone to Freudians, least of all minor children. Wake up!

If you don't like what I'm saying, you half-witted toadies of a disproved theory, COME AND GET ME! I'd like nothing better than to be able to testify against all of you in a court of law. The charge? CHILD ABUSE!!!!!!!
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#28 Consumer Comment

another awful Pingry experience - I'm glad this is getting out

AUTHOR: P Morhouse - (U.S.A.)

I attended Pingry for seven years - both lower and upper campuses. While the lower school was tolerable, the upper campus was a dysfunctional disaster for someone going through the typical trials of puberty. I was slightly out of the norm-although white, upper middle class, athletic and bright, I did not come from summit and my parents were not in the social register. As a result I felt like a total outcast, and sadly, the faculty (i.e., teachers and admins) including Lionetti exacerbated this feeling by beating me down at every misstep I made. It is quite normal for individuals going thru puberty to question things and not act perfectly all of the time. Sadly, Pingry reacted to my "imperfections" with abuse and politics. I wasn't towing the party line at all times so I was out. There was no nurturing, no one to lend me a hand. A friendly face or voice would have been so valuable. When I was in a time of need, expressing some typical teenage "cries for help" my cries not only fell on deaf ears, they were thrown back in my face with malice.

Such is typical for a student body in high school (I could handle that), but these were the acts of the faculty which are inexcusable. Fortunately, my thoughtful parents changed my school after Richardson began suggesting I see a psychiatrist for my supposed bipolarity. The new school was a breath of fresh air - no problems, no shrinks for "bipolarity," went to a great ivy college and am very happy now with my career. I am comforted by this website to read that I was not the only one so miserable while enrolled in this institution.
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#29 Consumer Comment

Pingry School Rap Song

AUTHOR: Lemonlimeice - (U.S.A.)

One of my brothers went to this school sent me the Rip Off link. Said it's accurate. So here is a Rap song I just wrote for all the kids who be suffering at Pingry.

This is one ugly story
But children don't despair
You can rise above this school
Where it just ain't fair

Children keep your power
Don't get in no bind
Don't you let no schoolhouse quack
Play games with your mind

Teachers get a grip on
Teachers do it right
Don't sit in the schoolhouse van
Toking doobies thru the night

Quackers start to listen
Let those kids be heard
Don't inform them how they feel
That just be absurd

Children know you're beautiful
Don't let your starlight flee
And never let some schoolhouse tyrant
Tell you who to be!

POWER TO THE STUDENTS OF PINGRY!
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#30 Consumer Comment

Pingry School Rap Song

AUTHOR: Lemonlimeice - (U.S.A.)

One of my brothers went to this school sent me the Rip Off link. Said it's accurate. So here is a Rap song I just wrote for all the kids who be suffering at Pingry.

This is one ugly story
But children don't despair
You can rise above this school
Where it just ain't fair

Children keep your power
Don't get in no bind
Don't you let no schoolhouse quack
Play games with your mind

Teachers get a grip on
Teachers do it right
Don't sit in the schoolhouse van
Toking doobies thru the night

Quackers start to listen
Let those kids be heard
Don't inform them how they feel
That just be absurd

Children know you're beautiful
Don't let your starlight flee
And never let some schoolhouse tyrant
Tell you who to be!

POWER TO THE STUDENTS OF PINGRY!
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#31 Consumer Comment

A STUDENT AT A PRIVATE SCHOOL FOR NEARLY A DECADE?

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

Yeah, sure;
Considering most students today are more into texting, video games and talking with their friends than writing things on the Rip Off Report, I remain somewhat skeptical.

As I said before, just the NAME of this place would discourage me from sending any children I had --IF I HAD ANY CHILDREN-- here!

If you all can get the place shut down because you have good evidence, then GO FOR IT.

I think the children deserve a GOOD EDUCATION!
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#32 UPDATE Employee

Yeah, go ahead and sue Pingry on your imaginary grounds

AUTHOR: Pingry - (U.S.A.)

My tag says Employee, but it really means Student. I am, and have been a student at Pingry for over a decade. What you say about Mrs. Gibson might be true, I certainly do not have any grounds to prove it false, but I do have reason to suggest that she never negatively impacted me or any of my fellow students. For all you know she could have been completely drug free and given a second chance by Pingry and she deserved it. Never would I have ever guessed that this woman would have been a drug abuser. She was kind, and although was sometimes an advocate of discipline, which is something you need at any elementary school, I have respect for her. Now, anything you have said about ANY other part of Pingry is just blatantly false and hardly covers the vast amount of things that make Pingry such an exceptional institution. Mrs. Lionetti and Dr. Richardson are incredible counselors and teachers and I have respect for them as well. Dr. Richardson helped me through some hard times in seventh grade when my cousin, who was a great friend, passed away in a tragic accident. I didn't have to come in to see him, he called me in. Pingry is a great community where people care about eachother. There is an honor code that teaches us students to live with integrity and honor throughout our whole lives. Yes, you can "save your money" and choose a public school and yes there are many good public schools. But NONE of those schools would have this many students living honorably every day and growing up to do extraordinary things. This is all coming from a CURRENT Pingry student, and the poster who wrote this original article has extremely outdated facts. 1983 was a long time ago, bud. Now, if anyone wants to make up any new facts about Pingry that are just as ridiculous as those presented here, I'll gladly shut you down.
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#33 Consumer Comment

Confirimed Sighting: Toshi Gibson's Business Really is Kaput

AUTHOR: SingOutLouise - (U.S.A.)

Toshi's store really is kaput. It is no longer in business. I walked past the site and verified it. Remembering the insufferable way the Gibsons treated my parents and me when I was a child, this development is all to the good!

Mr. Gibson drove a school bus, which was a blue-collar job, but he and his she-devil of a wife consistently demanded red-carpet treatment from the parents. They took that job, which involved a long commute, then seemed to care about nothing other than shortening the length of their commute. They tried to pressure certain parents into finding other modes of transportation for the kids they had been hired to drive to school, then got viciously attitudinal if the parents said no to them like the parents were THEIR employees and not the other way around. Who did those Gibsons think they were? Demigods? They even had the nerve to ask one kid to ride her bicycle several miles across town and through the dense traffic of the business section to meet the school bus rather than pick her up at her house despite the fact that her parents were paying for door-to-door bus service. This was to save the Gibsons about five minutes' time but could have proved lethal to the student. I think the parents had to threaten the school with a lawsuit in order to get them to pick their daughter up at home again and do their job. The more I think about it, the more I suspect Toshi and Carolyn Gibson were both clinically delusional. Clinically delusional in general to begin with with their here-we-are-serve-us attitude. Then they took their drugs besides. It's a wonder any of us survived them.

The only vehicle that would have been appropriate for transporting either one of them was not a school bus. It was a good old fashioned Black Maria!

If Ripoff Report is what brought Toshi down this time, then long live Ripoff Report!
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#34 Consumer Comment

Toshi Gibson's Business Has Been Closed Down!

AUTHOR: Miami Mama - (U.S.A.)

I am ecstatic to report that Earth Child, Toshi Gibson business, has been closed down, finished, kaput! Hat's off to the owners of Earth Child in South Africa who paid attention to these reports and to people's concerns. What a pity that Earth Child had the sense to do what the Vail-Deane School didn't and what the Pingry School won't: limit access to children to amoral drug abusers like the Gibsons.
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#35 Consumer Comment

A Call to Arms: Where to Write and Fight!

AUTHOR: SingOutLouise - (U.S.A.)

Joe in Austin, Texas, I thank you! Oh wow, do I ever thank you! I took your fantastic suggestion to heart. I also did a little investigating. The Pingry School and its staff of perverts, addicts and two-bit quacks is apparently accredited by four different clueless groups: The Middle States Association of Colleges and Schools; the National Association of Independent Schools; the New Jersey Association of Independent Schools; and the New Jersey Department of Education. All of these organizations have websites. All of them have email. All of them have snail mail mailing addresses, phones and fax numbers. Best of all, all of them are easy to find using any reputable search engine!

May I suggest that we all start writing to ALL of them? Since the pen is mightier than the sword, this is a "call to arms," if you will! We don't have to sit back and take this kind of thing in silence anymore! WRITE AND FIGHT! If Pingry won't do anything about their own INSANE staff, maybe they'll rethink their own idiocy if they might lose their accreditation over it!
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#36 Consumer Comment

A Call to Arms: Where to Write and Fight!

AUTHOR: SingOutLouise - (U.S.A.)

Joe in Austin, Texas, I thank you! Oh wow, do I ever thank you! I took your fantastic suggestion to heart. I also did a little investigating. The Pingry School and its staff of perverts, addicts and two-bit quacks is apparently accredited by four different clueless groups: The Middle States Association of Colleges and Schools; the National Association of Independent Schools; the New Jersey Association of Independent Schools; and the New Jersey Department of Education. All of these organizations have websites. All of them have email. All of them have snail mail mailing addresses, phones and fax numbers. Best of all, all of them are easy to find using any reputable search engine!

May I suggest that we all start writing to ALL of them? Since the pen is mightier than the sword, this is a "call to arms," if you will! We don't have to sit back and take this kind of thing in silence anymore! WRITE AND FIGHT! If Pingry won't do anything about their own INSANE staff, maybe they'll rethink their own idiocy if they might lose their accreditation over it!
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#37 Consumer Comment

A Call to Arms: Where to Write and Fight!

AUTHOR: SingOutLouise - (U.S.A.)

Joe in Austin, Texas, I thank you! Oh wow, do I ever thank you! I took your fantastic suggestion to heart. I also did a little investigating. The Pingry School and its staff of perverts, addicts and two-bit quacks is apparently accredited by four different clueless groups: The Middle States Association of Colleges and Schools; the National Association of Independent Schools; the New Jersey Association of Independent Schools; and the New Jersey Department of Education. All of these organizations have websites. All of them have email. All of them have snail mail mailing addresses, phones and fax numbers. Best of all, all of them are easy to find using any reputable search engine!

May I suggest that we all start writing to ALL of them? Since the pen is mightier than the sword, this is a "call to arms," if you will! We don't have to sit back and take this kind of thing in silence anymore! WRITE AND FIGHT! If Pingry won't do anything about their own INSANE staff, maybe they'll rethink their own idiocy if they might lose their accreditation over it!
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#38 Consumer Comment

Pingry Creeps, You're Going on Report!

AUTHOR: SingOutLouise - (U.S.A.)

I'll report them! Believe you me, I'll report them. Time to kick butt and take names. They are all going to rue the day!
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#39 Consumer Comment

JUST THE NAME OF THIS PLACE WOULD MAKE ME WANT TO AVOID IT!

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

WHY SEND YOUR KID HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE WHEN THEY WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER OFF IN A PAROCHIAL SCHOOL OR OTHER PRIVATE SCHOOL WHERE THEY WON'T PUT UP WITH THIS NONSENSE!

THAT IS, IF WHAT YOU ARE POSTING HERE IS TRUE!

EVEN A PUBLIC SCHOOL WOULD BE BETTER.

I WOULDN'T WANT MY KIDS --IF I HAD ANY KIDS -- ATTENDING A SCHOOL WITH THIS NAME, ANYWAY. WHAT DO THEY CALL THEIR MASCOT --THE PONGS, THE PING PONGS?

IF THINGS ARE AS BAD AS YOU ALL CLAIM, YOU NEED TO REPORT THESE PEOPLE TO YOUR STATE 'S AGENCY THAT ACCREDITS PRIVATE SCHOOLS AND EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS IN GENERAL AND GET THEIR LICENSE TO OPERATE A SCHOOL PERMANENTLY REVOKED!

OR AT LEAST GET AN INVESTIGATION BY THIS STATE AGENCY GET STARTED AND NOT WASTE YOUR TIME POSTING ALLEGATIONS ABOUT THEM --- DO IT ASAP!
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#40 Consumer Comment

The Jig is Up!

AUTHOR: SingOutLouise - (U.S.A.)

Oh my God! The Gibsons! I can't believe this is on here. I was one of the kids who rode on the bus with those two lunatics! THEY WERE AWFUL! She was much, MUCH worse than he was. It's hard to describe them fully. If they had been dogs they both would have needed distemper shots, but she was the ultra-nasty one. She was always snapping and growling at everybody. We thought her husband was afraid of her. Well who wouldn't be? I was just a kid. I didn't realize they were high, but looking back it's so clear and obvious. I remember how she would whirl around in her seat and start screeching at us. And hurling accusations at us. We kids couldn't stand them.

One of the fathers came up with quite a nickname for Mr. Gibson, his daughter came up with another whopper for Mrs. Gibson, and our only form of counter-intimidation was to talk about them using the initials of the nicknames - deliberately without revealing what they stood for. It was the only way we could get them back. We drove them nuts. They deserved it.

HOW DARE THEY have taken a job driving a school bus while doing drugs? Is there a statute of limitations on reckless endangerment?

It's suspicious that Pingry hired somebody like Gibson and also has a history of hiring pedophiles on the faculty and covering it all up from what people are saying here. I can just imagine what goes on in the faculty lounge. Hopefully now the jig is up! Pingry needs to be closed down if this is what they allow. Failing that, Vail-Deane went bankrupt, maybe Pingry will too.
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#41 Consumer Comment

WHY ARE YOU WASTING YOUR MONEY FOR WHAT YOU COULD GET FOR FREE IN A PUBLIC SCHOOL?

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

Private schools,unless they are run by the religious group that you belong to are generally a waste of time and money.

ESPECIALLY THIS ONE IF THEY ARE DOING WHAT YOU CLAIM.
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#42 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Graduated over 20 years ago. Sad nothing has changed.

AUTHOR: Longgonefromnj - (U.S.A.)

I attended both the lower and upper schools and was there during the transition to the new campus in Martinsville, and I can tell you the 'Open Classrooms' were designed to be such by the architects as an educational concept that made sense to architects who had previously only designed shopping malls (no joke!) and not to anyone who understood the need to actually hear a teacher speak.
But that's only the beginning of the lack of accountability and complete disregard of students that took place at that hell hole. I remember coming there from public school where we learned cursive writing a year later, so everyone in class knew it but I didn't. Did the teacher instruct me? No. She told me to learn it on my own. Which pretty much set the tone until I graduated years later. Keep up or get out, both personally and academically.
I recall complaining about a teacher in middle school for spending the entire class time telling personal stories and chatting with students instead of teaching. Nothing happened to him, but he bitched about it for weeks in class and I was a pariah. Thankfully it was close to the end of the school year.
There was a teacher in lower school who used to masturbate in front of male students during overnight camping trips. He was fired, but not reported, because he got a job at another school where he was finally arrested. And in the upper school it was well known FOR YEARS, since my older brother went there in the 70's, that the music director was a pedophile. But he was rich and well connected and worked for no salary.
An earlier commenter said something about stealing or crushing souls. I remember my senior year advisor, who by the way did absolutely nothing to help me locate an appropriate college, told me about a former teacher who had moved to Bali and opened a school for girls. He laughingly told me that this teacher's only requirement for entry into his school was that the girls be perfectly beautiful. HA HA HA . . . oh wait. . . that's TOTALLY OFFENSIVE!!!
To be honest, I have more things I could say. I know a girl who lived in the same house with two of the teachers from the upper school who were married and had children whom they neglected, and she also served as a waitress at some of the staff's parties and saw some things. And my sister, who attended a different school, was thinking of sending her kids there and was so disturbed by the interview she took them elsewhere.
I think of Pingry as my first experience in life of institutions that hold up a shining image of virtue which is meaningless, but useful as a shield to cover up the cesspool. Sadly not so differently from the rest of life.
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#43 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Graduated over 20 years ago. Sad nothing has changed.

AUTHOR: Longgonefromnj - (U.S.A.)

I attended both the lower and upper schools and was there during the transition to the new campus in Martinsville, and I can tell you the 'Open Classrooms' were designed to be such by the architects as an educational concept that made sense to architects who had previously only designed shopping malls (no joke!) and not to anyone who understood the need to actually hear a teacher speak.
But that's only the beginning of the lack of accountability and complete disregard of students that took place at that hell hole. I remember coming there from public school where we learned cursive writing a year later, so everyone in class knew it but I didn't. Did the teacher instruct me? No. She told me to learn it on my own. Which pretty much set the tone until I graduated years later. Keep up or get out, both personally and academically.
I recall complaining about a teacher in middle school for spending the entire class time telling personal stories and chatting with students instead of teaching. Nothing happened to him, but he bitched about it for weeks in class and I was a pariah. Thankfully it was close to the end of the school year.
There was a teacher in lower school who used to masturbate in front of male students during overnight camping trips. He was fired, but not reported, because he got a job at another school where he was finally arrested. And in the upper school it was well known FOR YEARS, since my older brother went there in the 70's, that the music director was a pedophile. But he was rich and well connected and worked for no salary.
An earlier commenter said something about stealing or crushing souls. I remember my senior year advisor, who by the way did absolutely nothing to help me locate an appropriate college, told me about a former teacher who had moved to Bali and opened a school for girls. He laughingly told me that this teacher's only requirement for entry into his school was that the girls be perfectly beautiful. HA HA HA . . . oh wait. . . that's TOTALLY OFFENSIVE!!!
To be honest, I have more things I could say. I know a girl who lived in the same house with two of the teachers from the upper school who were married and had children whom they neglected, and she also served as a waitress at some of the staff's parties and saw some things. And my sister, who attended a different school, was thinking of sending her kids there and was so disturbed by the interview she took them elsewhere.
I think of Pingry as my first experience in life of institutions that hold up a shining image of virtue which is meaningless, but useful as a shield to cover up the cesspool. Sadly not so differently from the rest of life.
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#44 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Graduated over 20 years ago. Sad nothing has changed.

AUTHOR: Longgonefromnj - (U.S.A.)

I attended both the lower and upper schools and was there during the transition to the new campus in Martinsville, and I can tell you the 'Open Classrooms' were designed to be such by the architects as an educational concept that made sense to architects who had previously only designed shopping malls (no joke!) and not to anyone who understood the need to actually hear a teacher speak.
But that's only the beginning of the lack of accountability and complete disregard of students that took place at that hell hole. I remember coming there from public school where we learned cursive writing a year later, so everyone in class knew it but I didn't. Did the teacher instruct me? No. She told me to learn it on my own. Which pretty much set the tone until I graduated years later. Keep up or get out, both personally and academically.
I recall complaining about a teacher in middle school for spending the entire class time telling personal stories and chatting with students instead of teaching. Nothing happened to him, but he bitched about it for weeks in class and I was a pariah. Thankfully it was close to the end of the school year.
There was a teacher in lower school who used to masturbate in front of male students during overnight camping trips. He was fired, but not reported, because he got a job at another school where he was finally arrested. And in the upper school it was well known FOR YEARS, since my older brother went there in the 70's, that the music director was a pedophile. But he was rich and well connected and worked for no salary.
An earlier commenter said something about stealing or crushing souls. I remember my senior year advisor, who by the way did absolutely nothing to help me locate an appropriate college, told me about a former teacher who had moved to Bali and opened a school for girls. He laughingly told me that this teacher's only requirement for entry into his school was that the girls be perfectly beautiful. HA HA HA . . . oh wait. . . that's TOTALLY OFFENSIVE!!!
To be honest, I have more things I could say. I know a girl who lived in the same house with two of the teachers from the upper school who were married and had children whom they neglected, and she also served as a waitress at some of the staff's parties and saw some things. And my sister, who attended a different school, was thinking of sending her kids there and was so disturbed by the interview she took them elsewhere.
I think of Pingry as my first experience in life of institutions that hold up a shining image of virtue which is meaningless, but useful as a shield to cover up the cesspool. Sadly not so differently from the rest of life.
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#45 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Graduated over 20 years ago. Sad nothing has changed.

AUTHOR: Longgonefromnj - (U.S.A.)

I attended both the lower and upper schools and was there during the transition to the new campus in Martinsville, and I can tell you the 'Open Classrooms' were designed to be such by the architects as an educational concept that made sense to architects who had previously only designed shopping malls (no joke!) and not to anyone who understood the need to actually hear a teacher speak.
But that's only the beginning of the lack of accountability and complete disregard of students that took place at that hell hole. I remember coming there from public school where we learned cursive writing a year later, so everyone in class knew it but I didn't. Did the teacher instruct me? No. She told me to learn it on my own. Which pretty much set the tone until I graduated years later. Keep up or get out, both personally and academically.
I recall complaining about a teacher in middle school for spending the entire class time telling personal stories and chatting with students instead of teaching. Nothing happened to him, but he bitched about it for weeks in class and I was a pariah. Thankfully it was close to the end of the school year.
There was a teacher in lower school who used to masturbate in front of male students during overnight camping trips. He was fired, but not reported, because he got a job at another school where he was finally arrested. And in the upper school it was well known FOR YEARS, since my older brother went there in the 70's, that the music director was a pedophile. But he was rich and well connected and worked for no salary.
An earlier commenter said something about stealing or crushing souls. I remember my senior year advisor, who by the way did absolutely nothing to help me locate an appropriate college, told me about a former teacher who had moved to Bali and opened a school for girls. He laughingly told me that this teacher's only requirement for entry into his school was that the girls be perfectly beautiful. HA HA HA . . . oh wait. . . that's TOTALLY OFFENSIVE!!!
To be honest, I have more things I could say. I know a girl who lived in the same house with two of the teachers from the upper school who were married and had children whom they neglected, and she also served as a waitress at some of the staff's parties and saw some things. And my sister, who attended a different school, was thinking of sending her kids there and was so disturbed by the interview she took them elsewhere.
I think of Pingry as my first experience in life of institutions that hold up a shining image of virtue which is meaningless, but useful as a shield to cover up the cesspool. Sadly not so differently from the rest of life.
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#46 Consumer Comment

Get With the Program Yourself

AUTHOR: Miami Mama - (U.S.A.)

While I cannot comment about whoever wrote the report concerning the open classrooms and their daughter's situation with the Richardson character, I had it on the authority of four different Vail-Deane faculty members that the Gibsons had drug abuse problems. I also have it on my own daughter's authority. She rode on the van with them every day and still does a very funny imitation of Mrs. Gibson's foggy-eyed spaciness one second and hair-trigger temper the next. Five people all saying the same thing about the same two people is called "corroboration." So I heartily suggest that you get with the program yourself, Logicist. You must not have any children. If you did you would not be so cavalier about allowing someone who by all rights should be doing jail time for drugs to have access to them in a school.
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#47 Consumer Comment

Get with the program.

AUTHOR: Logicist - (U.S.A.)

OK let's back up a bit here. Don't label an entire school based off of your daughter's bad experience with one teacher and your information about another teacher's past. I happen to know Mrs. Gibson and she is a perfectly well qualified teacher.

Secondly, with regard to your claims about 'open classrooms.' That was because when Pingry first moved to the Martinsville campus, 25 years ago, construction was delayed so they could not complete the walls for the first year. During their first summer vacation however, all classrooms were completed. Get your facts straight and stop generalizing so much, its unhealthy.
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#48 Consumer Comment

Expect Nothing from Private Schools Because You'll Get It

AUTHOR: Miami Mama - (U.S.A.)

It's best to expect nothing from the administration of private schools like Pingry, because nothing is what we'll get. Keep in mind that the Vail-Deane administration didn't do a thing about the Gibsons even after the cops called them to report they'd been speeding in the school van full of children, probably higher than kites at the time. The administration of private schools remind me of the infamous "good Germans" of the Nazi era, so apathetic they were heinous, the awful silent majority who turned a blind eye and a deaf ear to what was going on, even when what was going on included seeing their neighbors and friends thrown in to cattle cars. Same song, different lyrics. Step up to the plate here, Pingry. You've got three destructive monsters on your staff and you're not doing a single thing to stop them. But, what else is new?
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#49 Consumer Comment

Zero Accountability at The Pingry School

AUTHOR: Viva Max - (U.S.A.)

I agree. The parents need to be involved to ensure the schools are doing their job properly. But the schools also have to have accountability and need to have enough guts to take responsibility for what goes on when something wrong happens on their watch.

Earlier today I went onto the website of the Pingry School and found that all three of the teachers that the children and parents are on here complaining about are still working right there at the school. Notice how silent they all are here on Ripoff Report. It would be nice to see some apologies come forth from Pingry's administration and from the teachers themselves, who have caused the students what sounds like untold trauma and grief, on here, wouldn't it? It certainly would. Yet I predict we'll never, EVER see that happen. Accountability from a private school that coasts on its probably unearned "good" reputation? It won't be forthcoming, and that's a certainty. Even though some well-needed apologies would help the kids these three ludicrously irresponsible adults hurt, you can be sure the kids won't get them, and since they won't get the apologies, they also will not get any chance of closure.

Ever.

The Pingry School's negligence has allowed two quacks and an addict unlimited and unhealthy access to children, but watch, all we'll get from Pingry will be silence.

So I just want to say this to the three Pingry "teachers" whose activities have been detailed here on Ripoff Report: how do you LIVE with yourselves? Don't people like you ever FACE yourselves? From what's on here, you're all dangerous: you're two psychobabblers and a pot head, for God's sake. If I was in charge of Pingry, or if any decent human being was in charge of Pingry, all three of you would be FIRED. Do you ever think that maybe, as adults, it's LONG OVERDUE that you might need to begin taking some responsibility for your actions?

It should be obvious by now, that I'm angry about this because it hits home. One of the former Pingry students who has written complaints about the destructiveness of one of the three Pingry "teachers" here on Ripoff Report is a member of my family.

Two psychobabblers and a pot head remain on the Pingry faculty. Why not show some decency, Pingry, and fire all three of them?
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#50 Consumer Comment

Zero Accountability at The Pingry School

AUTHOR: Viva Max - (U.S.A.)

I agree. The parents need to be involved to ensure the schools are doing their job properly. But the schools also have to have accountability and need to have enough guts to take responsibility for what goes on when something wrong happens on their watch.

Earlier today I went onto the website of the Pingry School and found that all three of the teachers that the children and parents are on here complaining about are still working right there at the school. Notice how silent they all are here on Ripoff Report. It would be nice to see some apologies come forth from Pingry's administration and from the teachers themselves, who have caused the students what sounds like untold trauma and grief, on here, wouldn't it? It certainly would. Yet I predict we'll never, EVER see that happen. Accountability from a private school that coasts on its probably unearned "good" reputation? It won't be forthcoming, and that's a certainty. Even though some well-needed apologies would help the kids these three ludicrously irresponsible adults hurt, you can be sure the kids won't get them, and since they won't get the apologies, they also will not get any chance of closure.

Ever.

The Pingry School's negligence has allowed two quacks and an addict unlimited and unhealthy access to children, but watch, all we'll get from Pingry will be silence.

So I just want to say this to the three Pingry "teachers" whose activities have been detailed here on Ripoff Report: how do you LIVE with yourselves? Don't people like you ever FACE yourselves? From what's on here, you're all dangerous: you're two psychobabblers and a pot head, for God's sake. If I was in charge of Pingry, or if any decent human being was in charge of Pingry, all three of you would be FIRED. Do you ever think that maybe, as adults, it's LONG OVERDUE that you might need to begin taking some responsibility for your actions?

It should be obvious by now, that I'm angry about this because it hits home. One of the former Pingry students who has written complaints about the destructiveness of one of the three Pingry "teachers" here on Ripoff Report is a member of my family.

Two psychobabblers and a pot head remain on the Pingry faculty. Why not show some decency, Pingry, and fire all three of them?
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#51 Consumer Comment

Zero Accountability at The Pingry School

AUTHOR: Viva Max - (U.S.A.)

I agree. The parents need to be involved to ensure the schools are doing their job properly. But the schools also have to have accountability and need to have enough guts to take responsibility for what goes on when something wrong happens on their watch.

Earlier today I went onto the website of the Pingry School and found that all three of the teachers that the children and parents are on here complaining about are still working right there at the school. Notice how silent they all are here on Ripoff Report. It would be nice to see some apologies come forth from Pingry's administration and from the teachers themselves, who have caused the students what sounds like untold trauma and grief, on here, wouldn't it? It certainly would. Yet I predict we'll never, EVER see that happen. Accountability from a private school that coasts on its probably unearned "good" reputation? It won't be forthcoming, and that's a certainty. Even though some well-needed apologies would help the kids these three ludicrously irresponsible adults hurt, you can be sure the kids won't get them, and since they won't get the apologies, they also will not get any chance of closure.

Ever.

The Pingry School's negligence has allowed two quacks and an addict unlimited and unhealthy access to children, but watch, all we'll get from Pingry will be silence.

So I just want to say this to the three Pingry "teachers" whose activities have been detailed here on Ripoff Report: how do you LIVE with yourselves? Don't people like you ever FACE yourselves? From what's on here, you're all dangerous: you're two psychobabblers and a pot head, for God's sake. If I was in charge of Pingry, or if any decent human being was in charge of Pingry, all three of you would be FIRED. Do you ever think that maybe, as adults, it's LONG OVERDUE that you might need to begin taking some responsibility for your actions?

It should be obvious by now, that I'm angry about this because it hits home. One of the former Pingry students who has written complaints about the destructiveness of one of the three Pingry "teachers" here on Ripoff Report is a member of my family.

Two psychobabblers and a pot head remain on the Pingry faculty. Why not show some decency, Pingry, and fire all three of them?
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#52 Consumer Comment

Zero Accountability at The Pingry School

AUTHOR: Viva Max - (U.S.A.)

I agree. The parents need to be involved to ensure the schools are doing their job properly. But the schools also have to have accountability and need to have enough guts to take responsibility for what goes on when something wrong happens on their watch.

Earlier today I went onto the website of the Pingry School and found that all three of the teachers that the children and parents are on here complaining about are still working right there at the school. Notice how silent they all are here on Ripoff Report. It would be nice to see some apologies come forth from Pingry's administration and from the teachers themselves, who have caused the students what sounds like untold trauma and grief, on here, wouldn't it? It certainly would. Yet I predict we'll never, EVER see that happen. Accountability from a private school that coasts on its probably unearned "good" reputation? It won't be forthcoming, and that's a certainty. Even though some well-needed apologies would help the kids these three ludicrously irresponsible adults hurt, you can be sure the kids won't get them, and since they won't get the apologies, they also will not get any chance of closure.

Ever.

The Pingry School's negligence has allowed two quacks and an addict unlimited and unhealthy access to children, but watch, all we'll get from Pingry will be silence.

So I just want to say this to the three Pingry "teachers" whose activities have been detailed here on Ripoff Report: how do you LIVE with yourselves? Don't people like you ever FACE yourselves? From what's on here, you're all dangerous: you're two psychobabblers and a pot head, for God's sake. If I was in charge of Pingry, or if any decent human being was in charge of Pingry, all three of you would be FIRED. Do you ever think that maybe, as adults, it's LONG OVERDUE that you might need to begin taking some responsibility for your actions?

It should be obvious by now, that I'm angry about this because it hits home. One of the former Pingry students who has written complaints about the destructiveness of one of the three Pingry "teachers" here on Ripoff Report is a member of my family.

Two psychobabblers and a pot head remain on the Pingry faculty. Why not show some decency, Pingry, and fire all three of them?
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#53 Consumer Suggestion

private schools have good points and bad ones as well

AUTHOR: Cat - (U.S.A.)

Years ago when my daughter was nearing school age my husband and I decided to check out the private schools in the area we lived in. We were shocked to learn just what the previous poster stated. So, we decided to find the best public school in the area we lived in and we moved to that city. We were very involved parents and our child was very involved in her activities in school. She did wonderfully and knew the same children growing up from 1st grade thru 12th grade. She graduated and went on to graduate college and is now holding down two jobs in her fileds of study.

I tutored many children over the years and have spoken to many parents who thought that just because their child was in private school their child would have the "best teachers" and somehow would be much more advanced than children in public school. One of the those parents could not believe how advanced my child was and yet she was in a "lowly public school".

Both private and public schools have their good points and bad ones as well. However, it is important to go ahead of time and check out the schools, check out the classrooms, find out their thoughts on volunteering and if they find parent involvement a plus. I would run from any school who does not find this a important factor.

Do not let the thought of a private school name go to your head. I've seen parents who see private school as some type of necessity. The majority of public schools have plenty of qualified teachers who care deeply about children and their education. There will always be the exception, but just because a school is tagged as "private" does not mean the teachers are qualified to actually teach your child . It is always important to be actively involved in your childs education. As a parent YOU need to be actively involved.
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#54 Consumer Comment

It's a FALLACY that Private School Tuition Pays for Access to the "Best Teachers Available"

AUTHOR: Viva Max - (U.S.A.)

It is a total fallacy that private school tuition pays for students to have access to "the best teachers available in the region" as one person claims above; that is a deceptive, misleading, and completely false notion. Individuals who are not "in the know" about how private schools are really run may be ignorant enough to believe that, but it simply isn't accurate. When I attended private school in New Jersey, literally anybody could waltz in off the street and obtain a private school teaching job. The private school "teachers" don't even have to be college graduates, and don't even need to have majored in education, let alone be qualified teachers in the true sense of the word who had acquired their state teaching certification. PUBLIC school teachers cannot be hired without acquiring the proper credentials, but private school "teachers" do not have to meet any standards whatsoever.

Public schools hire qualified teachers. Private schools hire DILETTANTES! The Ripoff Reports on here certainly spell this out.
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#55 Consumer Comment

Additional Carolyn & Toshi Gibson Information

AUTHOR: Miami Mama - (U.S.A.)

I just realized there were a few things I left off my initial reports on this site on the two messed up Gibsons.

One is that when the faculty member Leboff leaked the info to the parents about the Gibson's drug abuse she said that the reason they were doing their drugs at night in the same school bus in which they drove the Vail-Deane students in the mornings was so that their landlord in Plainfield, NJ wouldn't smell the pot and call the cops. Leboff also said Carolyn Dow Gibson came from a very nice family, which I find almost impossible to believe, that her parents were "appalled" at her lifestyle, living at first unmarried with the bus driver in a hovel in Plainfield furnished with orange crates, doing drugs all the time, and that her parents had wanted to "do something" about her. But her parents DID NOT do anything about her. They did not do one single thing to stop their sick, irresponsible daughter.

Instead, children like mine had to suffer through being the recipients of her drug-induced paranoia and abuviseness. My daughter reports that Gibson was consistently paranoid and thought kids were "out to get her," would even spy on them, which is a drug abuse symptom, and that it was terrifying to watch this play out. Keep in mind that as a parent I was paying Vail-Deane for the "honor" of sending my kid into this bad situation.

Carolyn and Toshi Gibson, if you are reading this, you are TOTALLY REPREHENSIBLE, and I am delighted to have the Internet provide me with a forum for saying so to the world. You're like two cockroaches who do your dirty work in the dark, when nobody is able to see, but thanks to the Internet, the rest of us can shed and shine the light on your sick activities and illuminate them in all their sordid glory for other parents of kids you come in contact with.

The kids really should be paid reparations for dealing with you.
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#56 Consumer Comment

Let's Sue

AUTHOR: Malibu Cliffs - (U.S.A.)

All this action here, that school just keeps on getting worse doesn't it?

When the going gets tough, don't the tough file lawsuits? That's what people should do where some of these fruit loop teachers are concerned. Sue them! Sue them! Sue them! Make them pay the kids some reparations already!
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#57 Consumer Comment

Keep on Posting, Pingry People!

AUTHOR: Miami Mama - (U.S.A.)

Hello - It does my heart so good to see so many people coming onto Ripoff Report just to blow the long overdue whistle on these private school incompetents. I love the idea of informing law enforcement about what people suspect is taking place over at Pingry. I already know from firsthand experience that Gibson was morally impaired and the other two at Pingry, Richardson and Leonett, sound equally amoral. In fact I may just forward some of these lovely links to the law myself.

Oh, by the way, Gibson, darling, if you don't like it that I take such pride and pleasure in posting on Ripoff Report about you, MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT BEFORE YOU WERE ABUSIVE TO AND ENDANGERED THE LIFE OF MY DAUGHTER! This isn't too easy a thing for a mom to forget.

Have a nice day, and I do hope you get into a psychiatric treatment facility soon,

Miami Mama
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#58 Consumer Comment

Investigate this Pingry School Without Any Further Delay!

AUTHOR: Denali - (U.S.A.)

There are so many reports here on Ripoff Report about this BARBAROUS Pingry School and the crackpots who work there that it boggles the mind. This is a school for children of wealthy parentage, but what is going on there? Students are complaining they were mind-raped by the "quacks" who call themselves the school counselors. A parent is complaining that two addicts - ADDICTS! - drove a school bus at another school and one of them is now teaching at Pingry. Teaching what? One student says she was taken behind closed doors then treated like a pariah, put down and abused mentally by the school counselor - the COUNSELOR! - for being introverted in general and for not being popular with the drug crowd in particular, as if anyone would ENCOURAGE a child to want to join the drug crowd, and yet there is NOBODY out there who is connecting all these dots together! And another student said both school counselors played games with that student's head. Reading through all this you've got to ask what these people are all playing at. These do not sound like responsible adults. This does not sound like any kind of school I've ever heard of. It sounds like something more worthy of the mind games of a nut like Warren Jeffs.

So let's ask a few questions that might connect some dots here. What if the adults at this barbaric school for rich kids are deliberately trying to DRIVE the rich kids to substance abuse? And if they are trying to drive the kids to substance abuse, the next natural question is who is PROFITING from it? They already have one adult who's reportedly an addict on the staff, why not more than one? if kids there are on drugs they are probably buying them from adults. Well the first question somebody ought to be asking is WHICH adults? Has anyone else out there ever heard of school counselors terrorizing shy kids anywhere else in the world? Do the math and start adding this up.

Richardson, Gibson and Leonetti: Someone should call the cops on you. They should call the District Attorney. They should call the Drug Enforcement Agency. They should call the IRS, last but definitely not least, and have you three audited to see what kind of income you've got and where exactly you are getting it. Your principal and your Pingry supervisors should also be placed under an investigation. They are clearly not doing their jobs if so many people are speaking out here to say you are not doing yours which it seems to be falling on deaf ears. That's another do the math thing, why is that? These are CHILDREN whose lives you're adversely impacting here! All this needs to get looked at. It sounds like it's obvious something is very, VERY WRONG over there at the Pingry School for any of this to be taking place and the law should start taking a deeper look at all of you.
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#59 Consumer Comment

Pingry School should be Investigated Without any Further Delay

AUTHOR: Denali - (U.S.A.)

There are so many reports here on Ripoff Report about this BARBAROUS Pingry School and the crackpots who work there that it boggles the mind. This is a school for children of wealthy parentage, but what is going on there? Students are complaining they were mind-raped by the "quacks" who call themselves the school counselors. A parent is complaining that two addicts - ADDICTS! - drove a school bus at another school and one of them is now teaching at Pingry. Teaching what? One student says she was taken behind closed doors then treated like a pariah, put down and abused mentally by the school counselor - the COUNSELOR! - for being introverted in general and for not being popular with the drug crowd in particular, as if anyone would ENCOURAGE a child to want to join the drug crowd, and yet there is NOBODY out there who is connecting all these dots together! And another student said both school counselors played games with that student's head. Reading through all this you've got to ask what these people are all playing at. These do not sound like responsible adults. This does not sound like any kind of school I've ever heard of. It sounds like something more worthy of the mind games of a nut like Warren Jeffs.

So let's ask a few questions that might connect some dots here. What if the adults at this barbaric school for rich kids are deliberately trying to DRIVE the rich kids to substance abuse? And if they are trying to drive the kids to substance abuse, the next natural question is who is PROFITING from it? They already have one adult who's reportedly an addict on the staff, why not more than one? if kids there are on drugs they are probably buying them from adults. Well the first question somebody ought to be asking is WHICH adults? Has anyone else out there ever heard of school counselors terrorizing shy kids anywhere else in the world? Do the math and start adding this up.

Richardson, Gibson and Leonetti: Someone should call the cops on you. They should call the District Attorney. They should call the Drug Enforcement Agency. They should call the IRS, last but definitely not least, and have you three audited to see what kind of income you've got and where exactly you are getting it. Your principal and your Pingry supervisors should also be placed under an investigation. They are clearly not doing their jobs if so many people are speaking out here to say you are not doing yours which it seems to be falling on deaf ears. That's another do the math thing, why is that? These are CHILDREN whose lives you're adversely impacting here! All this needs to get looked at. It sounds like it's obvious something is very, VERY WRONG over there at the Pingry School for any of this to be taking place and the law should start taking a deeper look at all of you.
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#60 Consumer Comment

Wow, it's still the same, even 20 years later

AUTHOR: Lauren - (U.S.A.)

Wow, I had no idea Mr. Richardson was still at The Pingry School and still messing with the minds of shy young girls. I've been a shy girl all of my life. When I got to Pingry, it was difficult for me to fit in because I was so introverted. Well, Mr. Richardson pulled me aside repeatedly during my 6 years at The Pingry School to talk about why I wasn't "normal." Yes, he told me over and over again that I wasn't "normal" because I didn't have any friends at my high school. Gee, let's see, I'm shy, *you're* telling me I'm *not normal*, so why wouldn't I be the popular kid with lots of friends? Instead of trying to provide support and help me get out of my shell, I was told I was perceived as being a snob, as hating my fellow classmates and as being "not normal." What was particularly disturbing is that he would take me into his office and shut the door so no one would see what was going on. Keep it hidden, I guess. And that's just the tip of the ice burg when it comes to what Pingry keeps hidden from people.

I have to say only a part of me is shocked that Mr. Rich is still at Pingry and still being allowed to treat children the way he "treated" me. They don't want to build up a person's self-esteem at that school, they want to crush it. If you're not a drug addict with lots of friends, you're *abnormal*. *That's* Pingry, in a nutshell. I'm just so very sad that 20 years later, nothing has changed.

If you are thinking of sending your child there, PLEASE don't. Please send your child to any other school on the planet. Not only will they be better off, they'll probably get a better education too.
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#61 Consumer Suggestion

This School Sounds Creepy

AUTHOR: Elvislives45 - (U.S.A.)

This sounds like one creepy school. What kind of teachers make a child go see a psychologist just for writing stories about another child's problem? If a child does a book report on Anne Frank then what happens? Do they also think if a student in 2008 writes about a girl hiding from the Nazis in 1942 then that student has paranoia?

Sounds to me like one sick place.
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#62 Consumer Comment

Carolyn and Toshi Gibson: Every Parent's Worst Nightmare Come True

AUTHOR: Miami Mama - (U.S.A.)

I cannot speak about Mr. Richardson, whom I have never met, but I sure do have something to say here about this Carolyn Gibson creature.

Carolyn Gibson and her husband Toshi were every parents' worst nightmare come true. They drove my daughter's school van. They were disrespectful to me as a parent and hideous to my daughter, but their attitude alone was not their only problem: Mrs. Doris Leboff, a teacher at Vail-Deane, told me that both Carolyn and Toshi Gibson were habitual drug abusers. They would even sit in the school van every night, close all the windows, and smoke their pot in there, with the windows all shut, the better to 'concentrate' the pot, be surrounded by the smoke, and get higher from it. They invited another teacher, who flatly refused, to do the same, and then the story made its way around the Vail-Deane Faculty Lounge, and finally to some of the parents.

Doris Leboff was hesitant in telling this to anyone until her daughter Barbara, who went to the school for free because she was a faculty member's child, had graduated. To protect her daughter Barbara, Doris Leboff allowed other people's children, including mine, to be driven around on that school bus by those two fouled-up hippies and to risk being killed on a daily basis by their irresponsibility as they drove under the influence of illegal substances.

This story was later confirmed by not one, not two, but three other former Vail-Deane faculty members. Everyone knew what those two Gibsons were about but nobody did a single thing about stopping them.

They were stopped by the cops for speeding with the van full of children a few times. The school was called by the police about it. The Headmaster did absolutely nothing.

I don't know just what was going on there but there was no accountability whatsoever from the Headmaster, the Board of Trustees, or from the faculty. I believe the Gibsons should have been placed under arrest for reckless endangerment as well as for buying, using, possessing and driving under the influence of illegal drugs. It's to protect the rest of us that such street drugs are illegal in the first place, but nothing was done to protect the children on that van against this disgusting duo, Carolyn and Toshi Gibson.

Obviously there's no accountability present at the Pingry School either or the likes of the Gibson woman would not be permitted to remain on their staff. Don't they screen these people at all, before letting them work at Pingry? Once an addict, always an addict. Then again Vail-Deane was Pingry's sister school, so why am I surprised at Pingry's clear lack of ethics in terms of who they let on their staff? If they're so exemplary at Pingry, then what is that wretched excuse for a woman doing working there?
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#63 Consumer Comment

Pingry teachers are exemplary; Dr. Richardson is a great example

AUTHOR: Anthony - (U.S.A.)

It's obviously unfortunate that the girl in question had a bad experience at Pingry, but this report is neither representative or the institution nor particularly well-reasoned regarding what's going on. I'm a former student; I never knew Gibson, so can't directly comment on her, but I attended Pingry for a dozen years, knew Dr. Richardson personally, and had a vastly different experience from what's described here, as did most of my peers.

I obviously don't know who your daughter is and can't speak to the specifics of the situation. That said, however, the arguments presented here just don't hold up. The original report asserts that it is "ridiculous" to even ask whether the essay was secretly about the author. On the contrary, I'd suggest it would be irresponsible not to. The issue is how the question was asked. The initial report gives no indication of how long the (supposed) treatment went on. Having myself been in the child's position - behavior that made the psych folks and administration ask questions - my experience was very different. I went to a few sessions with Dr. Richardson, who was respectful and understanding, and after they concluded there was no cause for concern we were done. The whole process took maybe two months. The situation in the initial report says to me that either parent or child didn't do well with the very idea of talking to a psych professional (a not-uncommon reaction, particularly in a parent population very concerned with image).

I've had bad teachers at Pingry, too, and no shortage of conflict with the administration; no institution is without its flaws. These are the exception, though, and not the rule. Far and away the most significant thing which differentiated it from neighboring (public and private) schools was the quality - the intelligence, devotion, and compassion - of its teachers. It is not uncommon to find teachers talking to students until 7pm most nights. I had a physics teacher essentially teach all the year's material twice because myself and one other student in the class understood it differently from the others. Several teachers, unsolicited, made my case for me against the administration when some questionable decisions were made regarding my tenure there.

The idea that Dr. Richardson - most Pingry teachers, but particularly Dr. Richardson - would seek to ostracize children for not fitting some social norm is simply ignorant of the reality in the school. Indeed, those students who fall outside the (relatively conservative, certainly affluent) social norms the majority of the student body imposes on the broader body largely gravitate around Dr. Richardson and Pat Lionetti (portions of the administration don't always like this). Never once have I heard of either of them questioning anyone over getting good grades or being shy. Those claims are simply not believable.

As I said, I can't directly comment on Mrs. Gibson, but the paragraph directed at her is... interesting. The original report asserts that she might be the biggest drug user on the planet. Really? That's a reasoned criticism of the school? Even setting aside the question of verifiability of the claims, there's simply nothing there that actually has anything to say about her performance as a teacher or administrator (the role she's currently in).

The comments on the "open classrooms" are interesting, too. Since my graduation (just over a decade ago), the Martinsville campus (grades 7-12, the campus at which Dr. Richardson works) has gone through two major rounds of expansion, essentially doubling the square footage of the facility. Describing the Pingry administration as "too cheap" for facilities expansion is simply laughable. It's unfortunate that the young girl in question didn't deal well with the (probably accurate) inconvenience of the transitional period, but again this does not indicate any type of general trend.

The cost for the school is certainly high, yes, and I can't really say whether it's worth it in a financial sense. For myself, I'm certainly grateful that my parents were willing to sacrifice enough to send me there and have no doubt that the education i received there has prepared me for the larger world far better than most of my peers have been at other schools, but there are other ways to get there as well. The tuition at Pingry pays for access to the best teachers available in the region; parents can decide for themselves whether that's worth the cash.
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