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  • Submitted: Wed, July 27, 2011
  • Updated: Wed, August 31, 2011

  • Reported By: JoVa — Los Angeles California United States of America
The Prospecting Department
Somewhere in Illinois? Edwardsville, Illinois United States of America

The Prospecting Department Select Marketing, Prestige Management, Watch out, stay away, read before purchasing, RIP OFF Edwardsville, Illinois

*Consumer Suggestion: A word of advice

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Please contact

*Author of original report: Update about Sean Quinn

*Author of original report: Excuse the poor grammar in my report, but here is the email I received from Ryan Moses

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The Prospecting Department is paying off Google to drop their name.  Until I get the truth, I am posting this once a day "owner."  I want these questions answered, and your real address, so I can take you to civil court.  New questions for you:

Where is your real address?  
You aren't in CO, why does everyone think you are affiliated with some other scam artists?  There are scam artists all over the country, but you are affiliated with two in southern Illinois.  Here are the rest of the questions I asked earlier that I am still awaiting answer to. 

Here are questions I asked the "owner" in one of his employees posts.  The idea is, he/she is going to answer these questions.  In that sense, anyone else researching the company can have clear view on what they are paying $465 to receive.  This was my response to the owner of the company wanting me to call and settle this.  It is her/his weak attempt to get their name off of a google search.

"Here is what your employees are sending out through emails, 
"All of our information is self reported and survey based via direct telemarketing and direct email from large directories of retirees, new homeowners, etc., from the nations top compilers. Once that group is funneled down to only the best prospects that fit our criteria, then we profile every lead to the best of our capabilities. We market and sell them first come first serve to ONE client, and we do NOT resell or recycle any lists."

Let's have this debate on line so any other agents that google "The Prospecting Department" can get an understanding where we are coming from. 

1.  I am convinced that one of your employees created the good Rip off Report.  
2.  Don't talk to me about "Professionally," when your employees are flat out lying about the information.  You are going to tell me, and it says it above mind you, that all this information you are selling for $465, is self reported????  Then why does even your good report contest that fact?  It says that the information in accurate, not warm.  Why did not one person I called remember self reporting anything?
3.  Only sold one time?  Why did an advisor in my area find the names that you sold me, on another site?  I sent him the CD that I received and he said that 99% of the names that I had on there were from a site he uses.  I forgot the name of the site, but will let you know.  It was a site like Infoseek that was used for straight cold lists.  The difference is price is the big thing though!!  So you might not resell the names, but the site that people are paying pennies on the dollar is reselling them. (My colleague is going to get me the site that she found these names on when she gets back from Phoenix next week).  
4.  "who are looking to speak with a licensed agent about starting a life policy."  NOT TRUE!!
5.  ".... come with our 100% MONEY BACK GUARANTEE! Let me know which list...."  Where is my $465?  Why would your employees care if I got my money back?  Why wouldn't he just pick up the phone, call me and tell me that I am getting my money back?  This leads me to believe that you as the owners are making the employees pay the full amount for the guarantees.  I would have to believe that Ryan doesn't have an extra $465 to send my way, so I am the one being schwindled.  This one really confuses me "owner."  Why would he care if I got my money back?  He made me buy into the idea, he lied about it, but he sold me.  Is there a bonus structure on top of hourly pay?  Is there not even a hourly wage and it is just straight commission and when someone want their money back, you make the employee pay it?  I just cannot fathom why he would care if I got my money back or not.  Is he you?  Are you Ryan Moses?  The website says there are different people running the place, but I could see you doing some shady things for tax purposes.  
 6.  "They are no longer comfortable with money sitting there, they are just not sure what options are available for a rollover. They are looking to roll these accounts out right away, and are just in need of a bit of guidance."  How do you know this?  
7.  "All Files scrubbed for Do Not Call"  This isn't true either.  I use a gryphon system and they weren't scrubbed at all.  I understand you replace them and blah, blah, blah.  Why in the world would I want more junk like I got the first time?
8.  Now that I look at it 
"All information is self reported by the consumer
All Files scrubbed for Do Not Call
1 for 1 replacement guarantee on any bad information
All lists are completely EXCLUSIVE TO THE BUYER
1 for 1 replacement on any contact that is already in your system
100% Money Back Guarantee[ if no business is written in 90 days"

Is any of this true? NOPE!

As the owner of your company, I understand you are trying to take this off the internet so you can scam other people.  It isn't right though what you and your employees are doing.  Are the years you have been here scamming people, worth an eternity in h*ll that you will be spending?  You must find employees for your company at "we have no morals and don't believe in God's teaching" meetings.  I pray that none of you have children because they must be proud to know the bread they are eating is stolen from people that are making it through honestly.  Future felons of America is what they are going to be.  How can you teach a child about doing the right thing, when you are doing the wrong thing.  Please provide with me proof and rebuttals to my objections.  I am sure anyone else that googles your company would love to hear the truth for once. Here are questions I asked the "owner" in one of his employees posts.  The idea is, he/she is going to answer these questions.  In that sense, anyone else researching the company can have clear view on what they are paying $465 to receive.  This was my response to the owner of the company wanting me to call and settle this.  It is her/his weak attempt to get their name off of a google search.

"Here is what your employees are sending out through emails, 
"All of our information is self reported and survey based via direct telemarketing and direct email from large directories of retirees, new homeowners, etc., from the nations top compilers. Once that group is funneled down to only the best prospects that fit our criteria, then we profile every lead to the best of our capabilities. We market and sell them first come first serve to ONE client, and we do NOT resell or recycle any lists."

Let's have this debate on line so any other agents that google "The Prospecting Department" can get an understanding where we are coming from. 

1.  I am convinced that one of your employees created the good Rip off Report.  
2.  Don't talk to me about "Professionally," when your employees are flat out lying about the information.  You are going to tell me, and it says it above mind you, that all this information you are selling for $465, is self reported????  Then why does even your good report contest that fact?  It says that the information in accurate, not warm.  Why did not one person I called remember self reporting anything?
3.  Only sold one time?  Why did an advisor in my area find the names that you sold me, on another site?  I sent him the CD that I received and he said that 99% of the names that I had on there were from a site he uses.  I forgot the name of the site, but will let you know.  It was a site like Infoseek that was used for straight cold lists.  The difference is price is the big thing though!!  So you might not resell the names, but the site that people are paying pennies on the dollar is reselling them. (My colleague is going to get me the site that she found these names on when she gets back from Phoenix next week).  
4.  "who are looking to speak with a licensed agent about starting a life policy."  NOT TRUE!!
5.  ".... come with our 100% MONEY BACK GUARANTEE! Let me know which list...."  Where is my $465?  Why would your employees care if I got my money back?  Why wouldn't he just pick up the phone, call me and tell me that I am getting my money back?  This leads me to believe that you as the owners are making the employees pay the full amount for the guarantees.  I would have to believe that Ryan doesn't have an extra $465 to send my way, so I am the one being schwindled.  This one really confuses me "owner."  Why would he care if I got my money back?  He made me buy into the idea, he lied about it, but he sold me.  Is there a bonus structure on top of hourly pay?  Is there not even a hourly wage and it is just straight commission and when someone want their money back, you make the employee pay it?  I just cannot fathom why he would care if I got my money back or not.  Is he you?  Are you Ryan Moses?  The website says there are different people running the place, but I could see you doing some shady things for tax purposes.  
 6.  "They are no longer comfortable with money sitting there, they are just not sure what options are available for a rollover. They are looking to roll these accounts out right away, and are just in need of a bit of guidance."  How do you know this?  
7.  "All Files scrubbed for Do Not Call"  This isn't true either.  I use a gryphon system and they weren't scrubbed at all.  I understand you replace them and blah, blah, blah.  Why in the world would I want more junk like I got the first time?
8.  Now that I look at it 
"All information is self reported by the consumer
All Files scrubbed for Do Not Call
1 for 1 replacement guarantee on any bad information
All lists are completely EXCLUSIVE TO THE BUYER
1 for 1 replacement on any contact that is already in your system
100% Money Back Guarantee[ if no business is written in 90 days"

Is any of this true? NOPE!

As the owner of your company, I understand you are trying to take this off the internet so you can scam other people.  It isn't right though what you and your employees are doing.  Are the years you have been here scamming people, worth an eternity in hell that you will be spending?  You must find employees for your company at "we have no morals and don't believe in God's teaching" meetings.  I pray that none of you have children because they must be proud to know the bread they are eating is stolen from people that are making it through honestly.  Future felons of America is what they are going to be.  How can you teach a child about doing the right thing, when you are doing the wrong thing.  Please provide with me proof and rebuttals to my objections.  I am sure anyone else that googles your company would love to hear the truth for once. 

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 07/27/2011 11:07 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/The-Prospecting-Department/Edwardsville-Illinois-/The-Prospecting-Department-Select-Marketing-Prestige-Management-Watch-out-stay-away-re-757423. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Consumer Suggestion

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AUTHOR: Dan S - (United States of America)

I have bought from you guys.  I have a few suggestions for you on how to fix all these problems you are running into.  I bought from Bert Jackson, and the leads weren't what he said they were suppose to be and I did get my money back, so I can vouge in that direction.  However, Bert told me that they made a mistake and didn't have any leads available in the area at the time.  I tried contacting Bert, time and time again, to see if the free leads that Raylen(?) had promised me were regenerated in the area.  I never got a response from Bert and called the owner of the company Shawna(?) to see if she could help me.  Wouldn't recommend calling her ever, lol, unless you want a bad customer experience.  My advice though:  I am from Longmont Co and went to stop in at your office address listed; there was nothing but a bar.  Unless you guys operate from a bar stool, just tell everyone the truth of where you at.  Why do you not admit to being in Edwardsville, IL as previously stated by another poster?  Your leads are crap, but at least you stand behind them and give people their money back when they complain enough.  Second word of advice, I am sure Java has reversed his CC at this point, but you guys have someone that is seriously looking at your company.  I don't know if you care about getting sued or not, but there are some serious, personal allegations out there.  Most being backed up with proof of some pretty ironclad evidence.  You should tell people, "hey, we have straight cold call lists.  You might get a lot of disconnected numbers, but we will replace those 2-1."  Then say something like, "you might make money, you might not, but we will give you your $350 back if you don't."  Obviously Java didn't get his back, and Meca is following you guys, but there are a lot of people besides for them filing a report.  Eliminate those people, and eliminate the bad press. 
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#2 REBUTTAL Owner of company

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AUTHOR: owner - (United States of America)

Please contact me, I am prepared to answer all your questions and bring this to a close.  You know how to reach me.  

Sean Quinn
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Update about Sean Quinn

AUTHOR: JoVa - (United States of America)

Found out today that Sean Quinn is cheating on his fiance, Laci George.  He is not only doing this with his co-owner, Rachael Mayes, but a girl at his gym at Club Fitness.  This gym is in Illinois, not CO.  A guy that would do this to his child's mother can't be trusted to tell you the truth when his real life isn't truthful.  
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Excuse the poor grammar in my report, but here is the email I received from Ryan Moses

AUTHOR: JoVa - (United States of America)

With the Summer prospecting season opened up, we understand the importance of getting in front of new people. We have compiled a couple new databases that might fit your needs. All lists are within a direct 19 mile radius of your office, and come with our 100% MONEY BACK GUARANTEE! Let me know which list would best suit your goals for the coming quarter

This group of 423 retirees have separated from employment within the last 6 months. They are still holding a modest minimum of 200K with their previous employer in an old 401k or pension plan. They are no longer comfortable with money sitting there, they are just not sure what options are available for a rollover. They are looking to roll these accounts out right away, and are just in need of a bit of guidance. This listing sells for $330. 

I also have a group of 346 individuals between the ages of 50 and 60 who are interested in speaking with a liscensed about starting a long term care policy. They are not sure what direction to go into, and need some professional help to assess their needs. They have a min. of $500K net worth, and need protection. The cost on this database is $305[/font]

In addition there are also 449 individuals between the ages of 30 and 50 who are looking to speak with a licensed agent about starting a life policy. They are not sure if they are looking for Term, Straight, Whole, or Universal, but they are looking to get that policy in place fairly quickly. I will also provide their assets as well making them great candidates for a Roth IRA as well for long term retirement planning. The price of this database is $340.


All of our information is self reported and survey based via direct telemarketing and direct email from large directories of retirees, new homeowners, etc., from the nations top compilers. Once that group is funneled down to only the best prospects that fit our criteria, then we profile every lead to the best of our capabilities. We market and sell them first come first serve to ONE client, and we do NOT resell or recycle any lists. This is what ensures the highest accuracy possible, allowing us to offer a Full Money Back Guarantee
[
]If you could utilize 2 databases, I could sell them for a bulk rate of $515, or all 3 for $610!

Mention this email and take an extra $50 off of 2 or more lists purchased today!

All information is self reported by the consumer
All Files scrubbed for Do Not Call
1 for 1 replacement guarantee on any bad information
All lists are completely EXCLUSIVE TO THE BUYER
1 for 1 replacement on any contact that is already in your system
100% Money Back Guarantee[ if no business is written in 90 days

Thank you for taking the time to review the information. I look forward to speaking with you soon. If you have any questions please feel free to give me a call or shoot me an email. This information is Geography specific. If you cannot use this listing please forward this information to someone who may be able too

Ryan Moses
Sales Representative
The Prospecting Department
7916 Niwot Rd.
Longmont, CO 8050
P:(970)449-9464 
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