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  • Submitted: Thu, July 28, 2011
  • Updated: Sun, June 10, 2012

  • Reported By: JoVa — Los Angeles California United States of America
The Prospecting Department
Somewhere in Illinois? Edwardsville/Longmont, Illinois United States of America

The Prospecting Department Prestige Management, Select Marketing STAY AWAY, THIS IS A SCAM, FOR ALL YOU ENGLISH MAJORS...... Edwardsville/Longmont, Illinois

*UPDATE Employee: To the #1 Employee Please get your facts straight

*Consumer Suggestion: Actually humurous

*General Comment: You have to much time on your hands!

*Author of original report: What is your experience?

*Author of original report: SCAM FOLLOW UP

*Consumer Suggestion: My sources

*Author of original report: Amazing!

*Consumer Suggestion: Address & contact information

*UPDATE Employee: JoVa You're a MESS!! HAHA

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Here are questions I asked the "owner" in one of his employee's posts.  The idea is, he/she is going to answer these questions so anyone else researching the company can have clear view on what they are paying $465 to receive.  This was my response to the owner of the company wanting me to call and settle this.  I had called for a month and couldn't get the guy that sold me the list, to pick up the phone, or call me back.  I then posted a rip off report, one to the site and one to the owner, whom had already posted about getting a good list from himself.  This was his weak attempt to get The Prospecting Department's name off of a google search.  Here are the questions I posted to him.  

"Here is what your employees are sending out through emails, 
"All of our information is self reported and survey based via direct telemarketing and direct email from large directories of retirees, new homeowners, etc., from the nations top compilers. Once that group is funneled down to only the best prospects that fit our criteria, then we profile every lead to the best of our capabilities. We market and sell them first come first serve to ONE client, and we do NOT resell or recycle any lists."

Let's have this debate on line so any other agents that google, "The Prospecting Department," can get an understanding where we are coming from.  

1.  I am convinced that one of your employees created the good Rip off Report.  

2.  Don't talk to me about "Professionally," when your employees are flat out lying about the information they are selling.  You are going to tell me, and it says it above mind you, that all this information you are selling for $465, is self reported????  Then why doesn't even your good report contest that fact?  It says that the information is accurate, not warm.  Why did not one person I called remember self reporting anything?

3.  Only sold one time?  Why did an advisor in my area find the names that you sold me, on another site?  I sent him the CD that I received, and he said that 99% of the names that I had on there were from a site he uses.  I forgot the name of the site, but will let you know.  It was a site like Infoseek that was used for straight cold lists.  The difference is price and that is the big thing though!!  So you might not resell the names.  The site that people are paying pennies on the dollar, is reselling them, however. (My colleague is going to get me the site that she found these names on when she gets back from Phoenix next week.  UPDATE: the site is Alaxco(sp?)).  

4.  "who are looking to speak with a licensed agent about starting a life policy."  
THIS SIMPLY IS NOT TRUE!!  No one is looking to speak to anyone, about anything.  In a lot of cases they were downright rude.

5.  ".... come with our 100% MONEY BACK GUARANTEE! Let me know which list...."  
Where is my $465?  Why would your employees care if I got my money back?  Why wouldn't Ryan just pick up the phone, call me, and tell me that I am getting my money back?  This leads me to believe that you as the owners are making the employees pay the full amount for the guarantees.  I would have to believe that Ryan doesn't have an extra $465 to send my way, so I am the one being schwindled.  This one really confuses me "owner."  Why would he care if I got my money back?  He made me buy into the idea, he lied about it, but he sold me.  Is there a bonus structure on top of hourly pay?  Is there not even a hourly wage and it is just straight commission and when someone want their money back, you make the employee pay it?  I just cannot fathom why he would care if I got my money back or not.  Is he you?  Are you Ryan Moses?  Your website says there are different people running the place, but I could see you doing some shady things for tax purposes.  

 6.  "They are no longer comfortable with money sitting there, they are just not sure what options are available for a rollover. They are looking to roll these accounts out right away, and are just in need of a bit of guidance."  
How do you know this?  

7.  "All Files scrubbed for Do Not Call"  
This isn't true either.  I use a gryphon system and they weren't scrubbed at all.  I understand you replace them and blah, blah, blah.  Why in the world would I want more junk like I got the first time?

8.  Now that I look at it:
"All information is self reported by the consumer
All Files scrubbed for Do Not Call
1 for 1 replacement guarantee on any bad information
All lists are completely EXCLUSIVE TO THE BUYER
1 for 1 replacement on any contact that is already in your system
100% Money Back Guarantee[ if no business is written in 90 days"
Is any of this true? NOPE!

As the owner of your company, I understand you are trying to take this off the internet so you can scam other people.  It isn't right though what you and your employees are doing.  Are the years you have been here scamming people, worth an eternity in hell that you will be spending?  You must find employees for your company at "we have no morals and don't believe in God's teaching" meetings.  I pray that none of you have children because they must be proud to know the bread they are eating is stolen from people that are making it through country honestly.  Future felons of America is what they are going to be.  How can you teach a child about doing the right thing, when you are doing the wrong thing.  Please provide with me proof and rebuttals to my objections.  I am sure anyone else that googles your company would love to hear the truth for once.  Here are questions I asked the "owner" in one of his employees posts.  The idea is, he/she is going to answer these questions.  In that sense, anyone else researching the company can have clear view on what they are paying $465 to receive.   Since I first made this report, the owner would rather point out grammar and proof reading errors, rather than answer questions.  My intelligence and errors don't take away from the the main point, THEY ARE SCAM ARTISTS, LIARS, AND YOU WON'T GET YOUR MONEY BACK!!!!!

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 07/28/2011 11:07 AM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/The-Prospecting-Department/EdwardsvilleLongmont-Illinois-/The-Prospecting-Department-Prestige-Management-Select-Marketing-STAY-AWAY-THIS-IS-A-SCAM-757615. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 UPDATE Employee

To the #1 Employee Please get your facts straight

AUTHOR: Todd Bounds - (United States of America)

Lol you need to get your facts straight buddy. Was I an employee of Prestige? Yes. Was I an Employee of Reliable Marketing Solutions? Yes. Was I an Employee of Select Marketing? Yes. Was I an Employee of Exchange Marketing? Yes. Was I an employee of Elite Management? Yes. Was I an Employee of Broker Services? Yes. Was I owner of any of these companies? NOOOO!!!!! Know what you are talking about before you slander anyone please.
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#2 Consumer Suggestion

Actually humurous

AUTHOR: Dan S - (United States of America)

I couldn't help but read these posts and laugh.  Java, you are nuts bro, and sucks what happened to you.  I think it is funny that the lying about who they are, the link to Select Marketing, and the the numerous attempts to get this gone isn't the reason you bought, lol.  
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#3 General Comment

You have to much time on your hands!

AUTHOR: insurancemaster4u - (United States of America)

  I am an insurance agent and I was sent an email by an employee of The Prospecting Department, I decided to do my due diligence and check them out before I spent $350.00 with them. I Google the company, and it did not take long before I found this rip off report. I was shocked to see so many bad reports against them. I have read all of them I can find on here, and it seems that most of them are from 1 person Jova. He really seems obsessed with the company and has even posted personal stuff about what kind of parents they must be, and who is sleeping with who. Im not really sure how he got this info being that he is from California, and this company claims to be from Colorado. I am also not really sure what that has to do with the company. I also have seen that someone from there company has aked Jova to call or contact them more then once, the fact he refuses to do so makes me wonder if he has even done business with them, or if he is just an old employee of theirs or competitor. I however do beleive there is enough info on here, that I will not be buying from this company. 
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#4 Author of original report

What is your experience?

AUTHOR: JoVa - (United States of America)

What is your experience, let's here it!!  The Prospecting Department has ripped off more than me.  Let's hear about it.  
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#5 Author of original report

SCAM FOLLOW UP

AUTHOR: JoVa - (United States of America)

I called Mr. Larry Jordine yesterday to "buy" some leads.  He told me that they were all "surveyed" base leads.  When I asked where they got the leads, he said The Prospecting Department has a special team that accesses Corporate and Employee Directories.  Isn't that illegal?  No one has access to those, not even the CEO of a company!  Surprise, surprise, they were all surveyed via telephone.  When I asked how they can afford to sell a lead for .50, he said that they just can.  Needless to say, I didn't buy, but they are still saying that these leads are surveyed when they clearly are not.  Just reverse your credit card charges if they had taken you.  I wouldn't even bother trying to talk to your rep, they won't call you back.  
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#6 Consumer Suggestion

My sources

AUTHOR: Meka - (USA)

JoVa,

I am a private investigator. I work on behalf of businesses & consumers.

I was contacted by a group to investigate Select and have followed its move.

You are half correct about your findings. Sean cavney is actually located in CO. His tax filing are out of Edwardsville IL and his employees work at home, also from cell phones in IL.

Sean Quinn is located in IL and has Longmont CO listed for his company. It is only listed as CO as thats what where their business claims to be, he seems to grasp the intelligence of the scam, something that our friend Rachael Mayes seems to lack. Rachael goes by a false name and my clients have spoken with her regaurding this very recently.

I have some personal advice and ways for you to move forward with this. You may contact me at meka.webb@yahoo.com

Please contact me from your work email. I am NOT trying to sell you my services, I just do not want to exchange personal information on here.

A quick tip. Computers trace our every move. Locate the IP address on your emails.
Thank you

Meka
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#7 Author of original report

Amazing!

AUTHOR: JoVa - (United States of America)

That is amazing, thank you!!  How did you find out about the Rachael Mays, Sean Cavney and Paula Canvey?  Who is the "Shawna Sims that is a manager on the website?  I tried looking their address up in Edwardsville, IL because someone had said that is where they are located, nothing.  The "Sean Quinn" owner's facebook link is gone.  I noticed in your screen shot that he is engaged to a girl named Laci George. She had a picture of her daughter on there as her profile pic.  Below is her facebook page, and I found Sean Quinn's under her friend list.    

http://www.facebook.com/lacig1
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001541379993

I can't believe these scam artists are raising children.  That is absurd that he doesn't have his children taken from him!!  His fiance live in Maryville, IL
IF you drove at 50 mph, it would take 0.12 hours (7 minutes) to get there. IF you drove at 60 mph, it would take 0.1 hours (6 minutes).  At 70 mph, 0.09 hours (5 minutes) to get to Edwardsville Il.  Almost everyone on his friend's list is close to Edwardsville, IL, or from a city close to there.  I don't know if he lives in CO. maybe to run a different location up there?  I went through all 35 friends and found this interesting.  

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000158040148

She worked at the infamous "Prestige Management" that others thought was a sister company. 

Here is the third owner that you found.  

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=501742780

"Lives in Boulder, Colorado From Edwardsville, Illinois"
This is a direct quote from Sean Caveny's page.  Again, another crook that has no right raising a daughter.  A lot of his interests are places in CO though.  

http://www.exchangemarketing.com/ContactUs.html

This guy, and his "sister" must be the one funding, and profiting, because he/her is on neither website.  

They must me at least registered within CO, but here is proof that there are three owners.

http://www.sos.state.co.us/biz/ViewImage.do?fileId=20101404024&masterFileId=20101404024

It looks like the two male owners live in CO, and the third owner watches over Shawna Sims in the Edwardsville location.  Sean Caveny watches over the third owner, Sean Quinn.  They are not registered in IL however.  Please let me know if you find out anything else.  Sean Quinn must visit in CO, and live in IL because that is where his daughter is.  

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001097823224&sk=info

Here is Larry Jordine that is listed on the website under contacts.  What is interesting is he listed as "in a relationship," and only has 11 friends.  One of the only female friends he has is the owner of The Prospecting Department, Rachel Mayes, and her two brothers from the screen shot.  I wonder who he is dating, lol?  

Please let me know if you find anything else out friend.  I will let you know as well as you have obviously been ripped off too.  Are you ready to answer my questions owner?
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AUTHOR: Meka - (USA)

JoVa,

if you reverse search all the phone numbers on their website, they are cell phone numbers.

http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReversePhone?full_phone=+%28970%29+443-6347+

I found their address by doing some intensive searches by the owners and their family members names online.

The Prospecting Department
107 South Pointe
Edwardsville IL

the former owner of "Select Marketing solution" was listed at Paula Cavney, see Facebook page. 
http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100000848707934   

she is mother to Sean Cavney & Rachel Mayes, whom own "Exchange marketing" in "Colorado".

Rachael Mayes also lists herself as the owner of "the prospecting department" which according to her Facebook page is located in Edwardsville IL. Sean Quinn is Co-owner of this company.

His profile is now hidden but I was able to take a screen shot of it when I started my investigation. I have uploaded screen shoots of each of their profiles as well.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100000031774087  

dont bother Making your profiles private, I took screen shoots and will be posting them everywhere, including the attorney generals office.

I will update you as more information becomes available.
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#9 UPDATE Employee

JoVa You're a MESS!! HAHA

AUTHOR: UNKNOWN - (USA)

IF YOU USED YOUR BRAIN BEFORE BUYING WOULDNT OF YOU ASKED... DID THEY REALLY GET 400+ PEOPLE SITTING AROUND FILLING OUT SURVEYS???!!  NOBODY GETS ON THE INTERNET NOWADAYS AND "FILLS OUT SURVEYS"  THAT WAS YOUR FIRST MISTAKE FOR FALLING FOR THE SCAM!  IF YOU TAKE EVERY PERSON WHO LIED, CHEATED AND SCAMMED FROM PRESTIGE MANAGEMENT, SELECT MARKETING AND REFERRAL SVCS YOU HAVE NOW CREATED "THE PROSPECTING DEPARTMENT" 
YES THEY GET THEIR LEADS FOR PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR FROM A COMPANY CALLED INFOUSA OR SALES GENIE AND MAKE ABOUT A 90% PROFIT OFF OF IT.  THE ONLY ONE TO BLAME HERE IS YOU FOR FALLING FOR THE LIES.  IF YOU ARE GETTING THE SAME EMAIL THAT FIVE OTHER PEOPLE IN YOUR OFFICE IS GETTING, DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY ARE EXCLUSIVE?? WHOMEVER JUMPS ON THE OPPORTUNITY IS GETTING SOLD! I MEAN ITS VERY UNPROFFESSIONAL FOR SOMEONE TO TRY AND MARKET OVER EMAIL.  IF YOU THINK BY PUTTING ON HERE EVERYDAY THAT YOU CANT GET A HOLD OF THE OWNER WELL THEN I WILL HELP YOU OUT A BIT...

RACHEL MAYES - OWNER          PREVIOUS OWNER OF SELECT MARKETING (WHICH IS NOW IN COURT WITH BEING SEIZED BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR NOT REFUNDING PEOPLES MONEY) PREVIOUS EMPLOYER OF PRESTIGE MANAGEMENT (BIGGEST SCAM OF THE LEADS INDUSTRY) ALSO SISTER TO THE OWNER OF EXCHANGE MARKETING WHICH ALSO ADVERTISES THAT THEY ARE FROM COLORODO, WHICH THEY ARE RIGHT HERE IN IL.

SEAN QUINN - OWNER       PREVIOUS OWNER OF SELECT MARKETING (WHICH IS NOW IN COURT WITH BEING SEIZED BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL) PREVIOUS EMPLOYER/MANAGER OF PRESTIGE MANAGEMENT (BIGGEST SCAM OF THE LEADS INDUSTRY)

RYAN MOSES- EMPLOYEE     CAME FROM SELECT MARKETING AND PRESTIGE. 

TODD BOUNDS-  EMPLOYEE          PREVIOUS OWNER OF ELITE MANAGEMENT AND RELIABLE MARKETING SOLUTIONS BUT BOTH WENT UNDER FOR THE FACT THAT MR. BOUNDS USED ALL THE ADVISORS MONEY TOWARDS ONLINE POKER GAMBLING.  OOOPS!

DO YOU SEE THE PATTERN NOW?  CHALK IT UP AS A LOSS BECAUSE THEY WILL FIGHT YOU FOR YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY THAT THEY SCAMMED YOU OUT OF.  THEY ALL LEARNED TO SCAM FROM THE MAIN SOURCE, OWNER OF PRESTIGE MANAGEMENT MR. MATHEW AYLWARD.  MONKEY SEE, MONKEY DO.

RULES FOR OTHER ADVISORS TO LIVE BY:

IF YOU RECEIVE AN EMAIL STATING THAT SOMEONE HAS "SURVEYED OR PROFILED" LEADS IN YOUR AREA... STAY CLEAR!!

IF SOMEONE HAS TOLD YOU THAT THEY ARE HOLDING ONTO A LEAD THAT HAS BEEN "SELF REPORTED WITHIN THE LAST 60 DAYS"  STAY CLEAR!!


LAST BUT NOT LEAST, IF YOU CANT EVEN SPEAK TO THE OWNER OF THE COMPANY AND THEY ARE LYING AND SAYING THEY ARE BASED OUT OF A DIFFERENT STATE....WELL... YOU KNOW THE DRILL

STAY CLEAR!!

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