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  • Submitted: Tue, November 15, 2011
  • Updated: Sun, November 18, 2012

  • Reported By: writersalliance — Wayne New Jersey USA
The Rag
Internet United States of America

The Rag raglitmag.com The classic scam against hopeful naive creative writers. Internet http://raglitmag.com/index.html, Internet

*Consumer Comment: Whoever said they are a scam is an idiot...

*Consumer Comment: The Rag is not a scam, they are legit.

*Consumer Comment: The Rag

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: The Rag is not a Scam

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The RAG literary scam. SETH PORTER, DAN REILLY

When one decides to make an effort to write professionally, he soon inevitably is confronted by a simple classic scam that go like this...

1. The aspiring writer seeks outlets for his work.

2. He finds a promising outlet through some paid advertisement, typically offering employment.

3. The outlet then contacts the writer with not employment, but an offer filled with optimism, as if his success is just a submission away to the outlet. Somewhere in the ensuing paragraphs, once the writer is drawn in, follows a stipulation for a submission fee. Then continues a few more paragraphs of the success the writer will most definitely receive from his submission.

4. The writer pays for his submission.

5. The writer loses his money and gains nothing; furthermore, his hopes are shattered because he was duped into believing the odds of success were anything more than, in a best case scenario, an innocuous fraction of a percent. [continued below]....
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What makes this scam particularly repugnant is that it preys not on durable personalities but a typically emotionally fragile, gullible, and insolvent section of society-- creative writers.

Because it is such an easy scam to employ, its occurrences are sadly common.

The website THE RAG , http://raglitmag.com , raglitmag.com , where work SETH PORTER seth@raglitmag.com , and DAN REILLY dan@raglitmag.com , is a classic example of this scam. Among other outlets, THE RAG scam preys on its victims at craigslist.com under the "writers seeking employment" section.

If you are reading this...

1. Please do not give money, or support THE RAG scam raglitmag.com of SETH PORTER and DAN REILLY in any way.

2. Please inform others of THE RAG scam http://raglitmag.com, raglitmag.com of SETH PORTER and DAN REILLY

Be safe.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 11/15/2011 07:30 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/The-Rag/internet/The-Rag-raglitmagcom-The-classic-scam-against-hopeful-naive-creative-writers-Internet-ht-798437. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Consumer Comment

Whoever said they are a scam is an idiot...

AUTHOR: isiscircle - (United Kingdom)

The Rag is a completely normal magazine who, like almost every other literary magazine at the moment, charges $3 for submissions. Just look at every other online magazine, The Colorado Review, The Three penny Review, Tin House, they are all the same. Whoever complained about this was just upset because their work got rejected. They are publishing my work and have offered $200 for it.

This whole topic should be taken down as it is ruining the magazine's goodwill just by being here...
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#2 Consumer Comment

The Rag is not a scam, they are legit.

AUTHOR: Bushwick Buck - (United States of America)

The Rag is in no way a scam. They are a legitimate literary magazine. They pay their writers a decent amount considering the industry standards.

I have published three pieces in The Rag, and sold them one blog post for their blog. I have been paid each time with no problems, either with a check or via PayPal.

I do not know anyone at The Rag personally. I found them via an ad on Craigslist. I am a professional writer, have worked in the literary publishing industry, and I think the way The Rag does business is quite standard.
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#3 Consumer Comment

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AUTHOR: Erin - (United States of America)

I am one of probably hundreds if not thousands that submitted work to The Rag and also one of the hundreds, probably thousands that got a rejection letter. And paid $3.00 to get one. Fortunately I am already published hundreds of times over so this rejection letter was nothing to me. Of course I felt the immediate sting of the "thanks but no thanks" quickly followed by the usual "really?? Because the other poems you did publish were awful and mine was so much better.." But, in the end, writing is subjective and it is up to Seth and Dan to exclusively choose who they think are worthy of being published. That doesn't mean they actually know talent when they see it, it simply means this is their gig and they reserve the right to crush hopeful's dreams as they see fit. The bonus of owning your own magazine. And on some level we have to assume they know their market and what their readers want to read. Right or wrong, its the way of the business.

What I don't like to see is a publishing business of any sort being chastised because they rejected writers. As Dan said, it is the the way it is. Writing is competitive and unfortunately with the Internet, everyone thinks they can write. Usually, that is not the case. I know this because I'm a writer and editor for a magazine and although I believe I am talented now, when I started I wasn't too great. It takes more than just putting your thoughts on paper or a computer screen to make a good writer.

For every one published piece of work, thousands are rejected. Again, this doesn't mean that all the submissions are not worthy. It just means Dan and Seth are looking for something else. Something you did not have. As hard as that is to swallow, it's just the name of the game.

But don't destroy someone's reputation because they didn't like what you had to offer. Someone else proably will. Or they won't. After all Edgar Allen Poe, Sylvia Plath and too many others didn't make squat while they were alive..in fact their works were rejected probably more than most great writers today. Only after their death and new generations of writing head hunters did they receive the credit they were due. It took me over a decade to get published by reputable literary forums. Few writers submit and reach J.K Rowling status overnight.

Take your rejection and pin it to your wall. Use that anger to make your writing better. Then submit it to the thousands of other magazines out there. Someone, if you are in fact talented, will bite. And pick up a 2012 copy of The Writer's Market. There are hundreds of thousands of publishers listed, all genres,  all of them paid. Maybe, just maybe....
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#4 REBUTTAL Owner of company

The Rag is not a Scam

AUTHOR: danrageditor - (United States of America)

I am one of the owners/editors of The Rag and I would like to rebut the accusations made by writersalliance that our magazine is hosting a scam. Our magazine is not a scam. We are a legitimate literary publication and we pay the authors we publish. I can produce the issue that we publish and I can also produce records of the financial transactions that show we pay the authors we publish. We do offer an electronic submissions service for a $3 fee. We also offer a mail-in submission option in lieu of the electronic fee, which we do not accept payment for. There are many other legitimate literary publications that operate in the same exact mannermany of which use the exact same Submittable platform that we use. There is a list of the publications that use the Submittable program posted on the Submittable homepage http://www.submishmash.com/.

I would also like to point out that writersalliance has posted several false/misleading statements in this report.

1) He (the writer) finds a promising outlet through some paid advertisement, typically offering employment. The outlet then contacts the writer with not employment, but an offer filled with optimism, as if his success is just a submission away to the outlet. Somewhere in the ensuing paragraphs, once the writer is drawn in, follows a stipulation for a submission fee. Then continues a few more paragraphs of the success the writer will most definitely receive from his submission.

We do not (and have never) advertised ourselves as employers, but only as a medium to submit writing for publication, which if accepted will be paid for with a flat rate. There is no promise whatsoever of being published. This is standard in any literary market, paid or otherwise.

2) The writer loses his money and gains nothing; furthermore, his hopes are shattered because he was duped into believing the odds of success were anything more than, in a best case scenario, an innocuous fraction of a percent.

writersalliance has no evidence of this whatsoever. We, however, do have evidence showing that we pay the writers we select for publication. Although the number of authors we publish compared to those who submit is less than 2%, anyone who knows anything about the writing/publishing industry knows that the overwhelming majority of submissions to any publication (unless they operate as a vanity press) are rejected, as the literary market is very competitive. In short, its difficult to get published. You dont have be a writer to know that, as it is common knowledge.

Below is the response we send to those who contact us about submissions, either through craigslist.org, or a writers resource website. This response clearly states that the writer is not obligated to pay us in order to submitthat they may use the second option to mail in their submission, free of charge if they prefer. In short, the fee is an option.

"Thanks for your interest in submitting to The Rag, a new literary magazine specializing in the publication of short fiction and poetry. The Rag is an electronic publication, but unlike online literary magazines we target the e-reader markets, exclusively (i.e. Kindle, Nook and any other e-reading device or app) rather than publishing content on the web. The overall goal of our publication is to create a sustainable magazine that can afford to pay its writers, while also producing a competitive product in the literary marketplace. You can find out more by visiting our website http://raglitmag.com/

So, how much do we pay? Short answer: as much as possible. We paid between $100-150 per piece for the publication of our first issue, which was when our magazine didn't yet exist, so that would be the minimum payment for subsequent issues, and for our next issue we hope to pay more within the range of $150-200 for each piece, and possibly more depending on the level of support we can drum up over the next few months.

Our submissions process is as follows. Click on the "Submissions" link on our website, and that will take you to http://raglitmag.submishmash.com/submit. We use a company called Submittable to manage our submission process, which requires no cover letters, bios, synopses or special formatting.

There is a $3 fee for online submissions. This is one of two options. If you would like to take advantage of our electronic submission service, as it is often cheaper, easier and much more convenient than mailed paper submissions, you may do so for a small fee which we greatly appreciate. However, if you are unable or unwilling to pay for this service we also offer the traditional, printed, mail-in method which is available upon request. If you prefer this method over the electronic method you may email me dan@raglitmag.com and I will send you the mail-in guidelines.

For those who are interested in also subscribing to The Rag, we are currently crediting electronic submitters $4 off our yearly subscription, so you'll also have the option of subscribing to our magazine for a full year for only $4.99 with an electronic submission (regular price is $8.99, available as a PDF or EPUB file). We hope this pricing structure encourages writers who submit to also subscribe. It's an affordable way to get to know what kind of work we publish, it helps us grow as a competitive magazine, and more importantly, it increases our support to those we publish. However, if you cant afford it or just arent interested, dont sweat it. We understand money is tight these days and that many people just dont have the time to read every publication they submit to, so rest assured we give all submissions the same consideration whether they paid to submit/subscribe or not.

If you would like to get a feel for the sort of material we publish before submitting to The Rag, there are plenty of samples posted on our blog section under the caption, The Rag: Criminally Overlooked. Also, if youre concerned with the potential exposure your work will receive (as you should), were happy to report that our reader base is rapidly growing. Weve been on the market for a very short time, and already were receiving about 3 subscriptions per day, plus individual Amazon Kindle/B&N Nook sales, so our reader base is currently in the hundreds and we expect to be in the thousands before the end of our first year.

You can learn more about us by browsing around our website, where you can also link to our Twitter and Facebook pages. We hope to see your work soon. If you have any additional questions that were not answered in this email, please write to me at dan@raglitmag.com. We thank you for your interest and support."

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