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Complaint Review: The Tax Club, Auction For Income, PMI Coaching, Advantage Corporation

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  • Submitted: Tue, May 24, 2005
  • Updated: Thu, August 29, 2013

  • Reported By:Benoits Cove New Foundland
The Tax Club, Auction For Income, PMI Coaching, Advantage Corporation
360 South Technology Court Lindon, Utah United States of America

Auction For Income, PMI Coaching, The Tax Club, Advantage Corporation ripoff - Don't thrust these companies Lindon Utah

*Consumer Comment: Thanks for showing us that RipOffReport site can really help!

*Author of original report: Finally - Fully Refunded

*Author of original report: THE FIGHT CONTINUES

*Author of original report: THE FIGHT CONTINUES

*Author of original report: THE FIGHT CONTINUES

*Consumer Suggestion: Tax Club is a RIPOFF, read details and you decide

*Author of original report: See What I Mean

*UPDATE Employee: Scam? misunderstood the word scam

*Author of original report: The Battle Continues

*UPDATE Employee: Dishonest customer

*Author of original report: Partial Refund So Far

*UPDATE Employee: The Tax Club has fulfilled

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August 2004 I ordered the Action for Income System from a TV advertisement ($39.95). After recieving this package I was telephoned by PMI coaching. They assured me that I could start my own internet business with a fix amount of money (no extras). I agreeded to a cost of $2490.00 for PMI coaching.

After I was into it for a couple of weeks I was told that I would need to get a Federal Tax ID number to do business on the internet. I was already in deep and had to continue. The Tax Club contacted me with purposal to help me get a Tax Number through Advantage Corportion. The tax club put me through to Advantage Corporation in Mesquite Nevada 1 866 289-6920 and a procees of aquiring a tax number was put into action. I was charged $854.95 intitially by Adanvantage Corporation and I have been chaged $69.95 monthly since (October 14, 2004) - A grand total to date (May 2005) of $1274.65. I still dont have a federal tax ID # to this present date May 24, 2005.

At this point in time my credit card was maxed and I had debt to deal with. My credit rating was at risk and I needed time to pay things down. I asked PMI coaching for a temporary leave from coaching until I could continue at a later date (Before Wedsite Production). I did not tell them why I wanted a break from coaching. At this point I was oblivious to any scam.

PMI also tried to charge me with a website fees, without consulting my premisssion. I was charged $ 29.95 for three months before I could get it cancelled. It was my temporary leave from coaching and this gave me necessary leverage to get this montly payment stopped.

In February of 5005 I contacted The Tax Club(New York City). I was told by Advantage Corporation (government business documents sent to me) that taxes are to be filed by a certain date. Since this is law, I Filed my Taxes with the tax club. It cost an Intial $518.99 and monthly fees of $49.95. For a grand total of $668.84 to date. Again my credit card became charged and I needed extra time now to recover.

I am still temporary not recieving PMI coaching, and I don't plan to go back. Up until recently I was still paying monthly fees. I never did recieve that Federal Tax ID. from Advantage Corporation. This comapny is difficult to talk to on this issue. They say a number will be soon, but it never comes. I now know that this is a big scam and I want my money refuned from all three companies listed. I am now in debt for nearly $5000.00 because of my dealing with Action for income and related companied. If I did pull back when I did, my good credit rating would have been distroyed.

Peter ll
Canada

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#1 Consumer Comment

Thanks for showing us that RipOffReport site can really help!

AUTHOR: Jennifer - (U.S.A.)

I am undergoing a complaint with the Tax Club and they are proving this to be difficult but I read your comments and all your updates and I refuse to give up. I will fight this as long as it takes. I have kept all my documentation too.



Congratulations on resolving this matter satisfactorily and I hope I will get the same result.
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#2 Author of original report

Finally - Fully Refunded

AUTHOR: Peter - (Canada)

It was two years in the making, but I now have all my money refunded from The Tax Club, Advantage Corporation and PMI Coaching.



From here I preceed with extreme caution in all personal dealing. Researching ahead of time all companies and what they stand for. I learned the hard way not to trust people and companies - but if you look at that Flashy "Aucion for Income" infomercial, you are lulled into a false sense of trust. This is especially true if you have never been scammed before. I can't believe this infomercial is still on TV.



Well, anyways I don't claim to understand how any of this really works or its' function in society. I am just happy that I found Rip off Report, and that I have my money back. I will send a donation to this organization: without them I would have received no refund and would not have had a fighting chance.



I hope this helps all who read it and if you are ripped off not to give up and be patient. Keep good documetation and if you deserve a refund, in time it will materialize.
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THE FIGHT CONTINUES

AUTHOR: Peter - (Canada)

It has been a long time since I updated this site. For the past year I have been working to get my money back. Last July 2005, I received a full Refund from PMI Couching.



As stated above, I have been working to get my money back from The Tax Club - through arbitration. Arbitration never did take place - the BBB in Utah tried to delay this. I had to contiually press the issue and they eventually closed my case -for what ever reason. They most likely thought I would just give up.



I then filed a complaint with the Nevada BBB to get my money back from Advantage Corporation (Their office is in Nevada). This did not work out, but I did find out about the Consumers Affairs Bureau in Las Vegas and I filled a compalint with them -sending all my information. It was about six weeks ago and I recently received a full refund from Advantage Corporation - my company dissolved free of charge. Finally, after a full year. I am now free of this nightmare. One more to go.



What's Next! Well, it will be to get a full refund from The Tax Club. This company scammed me. They misslead me into believing I needed to file my tax with them to get a Federal ID Business Number. This was never necessary at all. I also filed because I was told there are tax deadlines - not because I wanted too. This is all a scam to get money - perpetrated by PMI, Advantage Corporation and The Tax Club. The Tax Club filed a simple tax form for me -I had no business activity the previous year and they charged me a fortune for the service $668.84 (Including monthly Fees).



Although my taxes were very simple The Tax Club did not even do this right - my tax form was rejected by the IRS because I don't have a US security number. How could they miss this - they just did not care that is how. It was all just a scam, and I am getting my money back - I will never give up.
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AUTHOR: Peter - (Canada)

It has been a long time since I updated this site. For the past year I have been working to get my money back. Last July 2005, I received a full Refund from PMI Couching.



As stated above, I have been working to get my money back from The Tax Club - through arbitration. Arbitration never did take place - the BBB in Utah tried to delay this. I had to contiually press the issue and they eventually closed my case -for what ever reason. They most likely thought I would just give up.



I then filed a complaint with the Nevada BBB to get my money back from Advantage Corporation (Their office is in Nevada). This did not work out, but I did find out about the Consumers Affairs Bureau in Las Vegas and I filled a compalint with them -sending all my information. It was about six weeks ago and I recently received a full refund from Advantage Corporation - my company dissolved free of charge. Finally, after a full year. I am now free of this nightmare. One more to go.



What's Next! Well, it will be to get a full refund from The Tax Club. This company scammed me. They misslead me into believing I needed to file my tax with them to get a Federal ID Business Number. This was never necessary at all. I also filed because I was told there are tax deadlines - not because I wanted too. This is all a scam to get money - perpetrated by PMI, Advantage Corporation and The Tax Club. The Tax Club filed a simple tax form for me -I had no business activity the previous year and they charged me a fortune for the service $668.84 (Including monthly Fees).



Although my taxes were very simple The Tax Club did not even do this right - my tax form was rejected by the IRS because I don't have a US security number. How could they miss this - they just did not care that is how. It was all just a scam, and I am getting my money back - I will never give up.
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AUTHOR: Peter - (Canada)

It has been a long time since I updated this site. For the past year I have been working to get my money back. Last July 2005, I received a full Refund from PMI Couching.



As stated above, I have been working to get my money back from The Tax Club - through arbitration. Arbitration never did take place - the BBB in Utah tried to delay this. I had to contiually press the issue and they eventually closed my case -for what ever reason. They most likely thought I would just give up.



I then filed a complaint with the Nevada BBB to get my money back from Advantage Corporation (Their office is in Nevada). This did not work out, but I did find out about the Consumers Affairs Bureau in Las Vegas and I filled a compalint with them -sending all my information. It was about six weeks ago and I recently received a full refund from Advantage Corporation - my company dissolved free of charge. Finally, after a full year. I am now free of this nightmare. One more to go.



What's Next! Well, it will be to get a full refund from The Tax Club. This company scammed me. They misslead me into believing I needed to file my tax with them to get a Federal ID Business Number. This was never necessary at all. I also filed because I was told there are tax deadlines - not because I wanted too. This is all a scam to get money - perpetrated by PMI, Advantage Corporation and The Tax Club. The Tax Club filed a simple tax form for me -I had no business activity the previous year and they charged me a fortune for the service $668.84 (Including monthly Fees).



Although my taxes were very simple The Tax Club did not even do this right - my tax form was rejected by the IRS because I don't have a US security number. How could they miss this - they just did not care that is how. It was all just a scam, and I am getting my money back - I will never give up.
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Tax Club is a RIPOFF, read details and you decide

AUTHOR: Fyi - (U.S.A.)

Hi Peter,

The Tax Club is a Ripoff - remains my opinion to this day - based on my personal experience with them and the reports they are listed in. A lot of the older reports didn't list them in the title but they are listed in the body of the reports. The Auctions for Income, etc packages are just a front for these sales groups to get your name & phone number - do not accept solicitation by phone. You also have a legal advantage if you are on the do-not-call list. Our state requires businesses to be registered with the state, if they are not, they are in violation with the state, check with your attorney general's office.



The Tax Club is fully associated with PMI, as well as with many other sales groups. PMI or any other sales group can not sell Tax Club services without the "buy in" approval from the Tax Club. The Tax Club has a long history of affiliation with infomercial programs. In my case they were sold as a package, now they call separately selling their services because it makes it that much harder for you to get refunds as you end up dealing with several businesses and their affiliates instead of just one. In the early days most people reported only the infomercial name but still listed the tax club or the Tax Advantage "worthless" software in their reports. Since more people are reporting the Tax Club they came up with a new name, sister company, division, what ever they want to call it but they came up with Advantage Corp to divert attention from the Tax Club name. It's the same scam, just organized differently. They are still in bed together - scamming consumers.



Don't buy into Callon's LAME excuses. EXCUSE - A STALL TACTIC, A LIE in order to not only keep your initial money but to keep charging you the monthly fees. Peter - stop all charges, don't let them take another penny. Write your credit card companies, send them copies of all your research, tell them - based on your research you have been scammed and being that you have cancelled all services from all companies, these companies are no longer authrorized to bill your credit card. Better yet, any credit card number you gave to any of these businesses - call the cc companies and freeze your accounts - that way no more charges from anywhere can be placed on them and will be left open only to receive refunds. After providing your cc companies with all your research, ask them to reverse the charges. Some cc's are better than others, some are very aware of these scam companies and have already helped others.



Complaints written here prove that the sales groups (Summit Consulting, PMI, NMR, etc) sell you an initial package that the Tax Club is to provide. Then the Tax Club calls and sells another package. In my situation the second package being sold directly from the Tax Club was very similar, it had two additional features. But it was extremely frustrating for me when The Summit Group who hid behind the Auctions for Income Success Team name when they sold me Tax Club services. Then the Tax Club called to make an additional sale: the more money you pay up front the lower the monthly service fee would be and that had nothing to do with setting up a corporation. At that time the Tax Club coaches handled the sales pitch on setting up the corporation and once again for a huge one time fee and a large monthly fee.



The reports here indicate that the coaches are not familiar with each states tax laws. They push for S-Corp set up in the state of Arizona.



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Tax software 895.00 (Tax Vantage 4.0) - DON'T waste your time and money - it is informational only, it can't track any thing. It promoted calling The Tax Club. You won't have to call, they will call you. Made an offer of service at large expense for club membership regardless of my already paid 895.00 for most of what he said they would do. Tax coach pushed S-Corp set up because it would open over 300 tax deductions where sole proprietor is double taxation and only 27 tax deductions.



Asked tax coach about deductions, I gave some examples; he told me most would not be available to me because it is an internet business. Tax consultant provided incorrect information to make it sound like an S-corp. set up in Nevada would be more cost effective than one set up in my own state. When speaking to Erik from Summit -he couldn't believe the tax coach said these things. I don't know why - the reports are all very similar as to the tactics used by the Tax Club coaches.



Option 1 from tax coach) He could set up S Corp, get all papers filed etc, but I would have to pay 125.00 filing fee which must be renewed every year in my own state. (It doesn't come out of the 895.00, day of sale I was told filing fee would be around 25.00) He said I need to pay 250.00 - 300.00 minimum privilege tax and a 150.00 business tax, every year even if I don't make any money, it would be more based on income. None of these taxes paid in my own state would be tax deductible. I called my state's accountants, they said 125.00 filing fee, 25.00 renewal fee (not another 125.00), a 35.00 minimum franchise tax based on assets/inventory and 20.00 for state letter. So the Tax Club coach tried to make my states costs seem so more than using their plan as listed below.



Option 2 from tax coach) He could set up S Corp in NEVADA for a one time fee of 760.00 and NE does not require a renewal. Then I would have to pay 89.95 per month for first year and then 49.95 per month for every month thereafter that I remain in business. These fees are for a person in an office in Nevada to file for Tax ID#, all S Corp papers with the IRS and keep my corporation in good standing. All these fees would be tax deductible to me. He added: If I'm based in NE and someone wanted to sue me it makes it hard for them to find me, can't sue someone if you can't find them, right? Which would I be leaning toward doing? (all this is news to me)I hesitated as I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Then he offered a 69.95 for the 1st year. I did nothing, told him I needed to talk to my NMR coach & husband.



My attorney told me they could have set up SIX corporations for the amount of money they charged me.



Peter - I am sure Callon called to strong arm you into agreeing that you were happy with their services or they would take some kind of action against you. You gave lip service to get off the phone with him - can't blame you a bit. Then he writes here to say you agreed and how frustrated he is that you didn't follow through. Part of Callon's job is to do his best to keep as much of your money as possible.



Peter - if you haven't already - talk to an attorney and tax accountant from your own state, find out what the costs are for these services. You will be amazed at how much you could have saved had you not been SCAMMED by the sales pitches of both PMI & TAX CLUB sales groups.



Callon - when a person has to pay outrageous amounts for services they can get for so much less - that is a scam!!!! When sales groups lie in order to get consumers to purchase - that is a scam!!!! To tell consumers that they have to try your services for one year - is a SCAM. Peter has already determined he wants nothing more to do with the Tax Club or Advantage Corp. You don't get to rationalize it and hold his money hostage to give you another chance to disappoint him. Consumers do not HAVE TO put up with you and your bull !!!!! Maybe you did file Peter's taxes - but at the time he wasn't aware how much you were soaking him for to do it. When he found out - he wanted out. If you want to be as reputable as you say, then charge Peter a fee similar to what his own state would charge him and give him a refund for the rest - unless he truly isn't satisfied with the work you did for him, then refund it all. I believe he is entitled to a full refund just based on the deceptive & unfair trade practices used to get him to make the initial purchases.



Peter - I initially purchased the Auctions for Income via the infomercial. Summit Consulting aka The Summit Group, Auctions for Income Success Team - made the initial sale. Because IDI / idiglobal.com provided the internet services, all was billed to my cc and Internet Development was listed on my cc statement. They made 100% refund even though The Tax Club, NMR/PMI (they are one and the same), and IDI had different service obligations to me - it was sold as a package !!!!! The BBB's, attorney generals offices in all states need to put a halt to many of the scam companies out there, they also need to put a halt to the excuses they use. If it is sold as a package, it is one sale and one refund. They did not tell you from the start that there would be all these different companies involved - or the costs prior to finalizing the sale - nor did they tell you what they would put you through should you be unsatisified with their services and want a refund. UNFAIR TRADE PRACTICE - SCAM



Does everyone get ripped off? I don't know. To protect yourself and your hard earned income get all business names, addresses, phone numbers, company management names, then take the time and do some research. If a company is reputable, they will be there when you are ready to move forward, they won't pressure you into anything.



Advice to self: Never, never, never purchase anything unseen, or from companies that put in non-refund clauses / excuses to trap consumers.

That is what it is - A TRAP. Do NOT accept solicitation by phone.

I learned the hard way as many others have - a mistake that turned into a learning experience - hopefully others will look here before purchasing anything. Go to your email and send an email to all your family and friends advising them to go here: ripoffreport.com before purchasing. Encourage them to email all their friends and family.



Keep researching, make copies of all reports that list the Tax Club, Advantage Corp. or Tax Advantage in their reports. Provide these copies to Attorney generals, FTC, IFTC, etc. You'll find them listed on reports for Internet Treasure Chest, StoresOnline, Auctions for Income, various real estate package names, etc.
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See What I Mean

AUTHOR: Peter - (Canada)

See What I mean. The Tax Club will fight this refund issue to the end. This issue is now gone into arbitration (BBB). When this case is resolved I will post the results on this website, and then, shortly after I will remove this posting entirely. All I really want is justice - not to defame a business or company anymore that I have to.
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#8 UPDATE Employee

Scam? misunderstood the word scam

AUTHOR: Callon - (U.S.A.)

I think you have misunderstood the word scam. A company is a scam if they take money from you and DO NOT provide a service or product in return. You have clearly admitted that we have fulfilled what you paid us to do. How are we a scam if we have fulfilled a service you paid for and have admitted to? You will not receive a refund from us because we have fulfilled the service you paid for. I don't know how to make it any less confusing for you sir.
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The Battle Continues

AUTHOR: Peter - (Canada)

As I have stated above I have received a refund from PMI. They did not fight me on this issue. They recognized my disappointment and settled. I want to thank them for this.



On the other hand: I have been in a fight with The Tax Club - Advantage Corporation for a refund. So far they are fighting it tooth and nail. I wish they would just give me my refund and we can stop this bickering and destroying each others reputations.



I will point out a few simple facts here to clarify why I deserve a refund from these companies.

- PMI paid me already.

- The Tax Club receives customers directly from P.M.I., as what happened to me.

- The Tax Club referred me to Advantage Corporation to set up a LLC business.

- The Tax Club will receive all my tax business as a result of setting up a business through Advantage Corporation. One actually relies on the other, and one must do business with both in order to actually proceed.

-The Tax Club - Advantage Corporation charge monthly services charges to suck as much money out of you as possible.



If you summarize the above, then you can see a SCAM in action. One company relies on the other to get business, but each hide behind the other to legally protect them. I am a victim of circumstance and I want a fair settlement for being ripped off.



Here is what I am asking for:

PMI Refunded in Full THANK YOU

The Tax Club- Advantage Corporation

The Tax Club $ 668.84

Advantage Cororation $1274.65

Total $ 1943.49



Do a google seach: "The Tax Club" Scam and see all the hits you get... Read from hundred of situations just like mine.



I want a refund.
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#10 UPDATE Employee

Dishonest customer

AUTHOR: Callon - (U.S.A.)

I thought it was odd when I called you back to make sure you would follow through on our agreement we made over the phone to have you submit a rebutal about The Tax Club not being honest. You agreed to state that The Tax Club did indeed fulfill on their obligation to you which is doing your taxes. We can certainly provide proof of this. It is very frustrating as a company to have to deal with people like you that want something for nothing.
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Partial Refund So Far

AUTHOR: Peter - (Canada)

After filing the initial complaint with rip off report in late May, I filed a complaint with the BBB in Utah. The BBB was helpful in receiving for me a refund from PMI. PMI claimed not to be associated with the Tax Club so therefore they are not responsible for that portion of the refund. So now I have filed a complaint with the Utah BBB against The Tax Club for the remainder of the refund.



The Tax Club is some how affiliated with Advantage Corporation so therefore if I get a refund from The Tax Club I will get one from Advantage Corporation as well. So far they are fighting the claim and refusing me a refund. They say they are not affiliated with PMI and therefore are not responsible for me being scamed. The way I see it - if the Tax Club contacted me through PMI - then they are associated.



The Tax club contacted me in October of 2004. They said inorder to do website business with Wholesales and Dropshipping companies, then I will need a tax ID number. I was first told that it would take 5-8 weeks and then after they had my credit card number I was told it would take 6-12 weeks. It took over 7 months for me to receive this tax number; and this was only after I got tired waiting and already had cancelled my deals with Advantage Corporation.

The Tax Club - Advantage Corporation gave me the run around. They had me do my taxes with them. File W-7's and later SS-4's inorder to get a tax number. It was all a scam to delay, charge me and continue charging my credit card and making a fortune of me.



Advantage Corporation will not help me dissolve the company they set up for me in Nevada - unless I pay they a set amount of money. I don't know what to do here...

As my original statement says," These compaines can not be thrusted."

I want a full refund from The Tax Club and Advantage Corporation.
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#12 UPDATE Employee

The Tax Club has fulfilled

AUTHOR: Callon - (U.S.A.)

I spoke with Peter and wanted to see what we (The Tax Club) did wrong to cause this complaint. I confirmed with Peter we completed his taxes. He paid The Tax Club for tax and accounting service. Peter agreed with the fact that we completed his taxes and he was satisfied with the result. His complaint about The Tax Club was because PMI has referred him to us and he was not happy with them. I explained that we are a separate company from PMI and they only refer clients to us for tax and accounting services. Peter agreed to reply to my rebuttal by confirming he was satisfied with the service he paid The Tax Club within the next 48 hours.
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