• Report: #649572

Complaint Review: Thunder Creek Farm

  • Submitted: Mon, October 11, 2010
  • Updated: Thu, December 13, 2012

  • Reported By: Kathy — Poplarville Mississippi United States of America
Thunder Creek Farm
956 Blue Well Rd, Internet United States of America

Thunder Creek Farm Angela Jones Beware! Horses are misrepresented, Internet

*Consumer Comment: Scammed by Angela also

*Consumer Suggestion: How To Avoid Getting Ripped Off in the Horse Buying Game

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Childishness behavior...You are worse than pre-schoolers

*Consumer Comment: wow

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Oh for Gods sake....get a life

*Consumer Comment: horses are from local sale barns

*Author of original report: In response

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: BUYER would not return the horse for an exchange

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After searching many weeks on many horseselling websites I came across this advertisement about this wonderful family safe horse and what appeared to be a reputable, professional sounding farm.  Thundercreek Farm (Angela Jones 615-286-1696).  She required a non-refundable deposit of 1/2 the price and balance within 3 business days.  Although, very unsure about this, I realize many people will say they want a horse and never show up, so I did send the money to hold this supposed to be wonderful, perfect horse for me because we live about 500 miles away and could not get there for a few days and she also said there were several people very interested in him.  We told her we could come to Lebanon to pick him up, but she said she had something to pickup in Birmingham, and someone woud meet us  there with the horse.

When the horse stepped off the trailer, I was shocked and disappointed, he was much smaller than I was expecting according to her description in the advertisement.  Her advertisements stated: 14.1 hands tall  - He is about 13.3 hands tall;  1050 lbs.  - he was thin, about 780 lbs., and has gained up to about 830 lbs. now;  10 years old -  our vet said he is about 15 years old;  beginner/family safe/safe for anyone  -  He rears and kicks up when trying to leave the barn area, he does not want to stand still out on the trail and will rear a little, he turns in circles when trying to mount.

Her contract stated if we did not want the horse we had a one week period that she would exchange the horse for another one.  We called her the next day to tell her we did not want the horse and she said she would look for another one for us.  I saw on her website that she had several advertised that we would have been interested in but she never contacted us about them and the horses were sold.  She went for several weeks where she would not answer her phone or we would be hung up on while talking and our emails did not go thru.  I finally sent a certified letter with a return receipt which the letter was returned unable to deliver.  After searching on the internet I learned that there have been others that had the same experience with Angela Jones.  I would have filed a small claims judgement, but she has no job and I would just have more money out of my pocket, so all I can do is warn others and try to sell this horse. 

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 10/11/2010 06:02 AM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Thunder-Creek-Farm/internet/Thunder-Creek-Farm-Angela-Jones-Beware-Horses-are-misrepresented-Internet-649572. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Consumer Comment

Scammed by Angela also

AUTHOR: Remark13 - (United States of America)

Kathy inPoparville

Please feel free to contact me regarding your experience with Angela - I am reaching out to any persons that have had dealings with her.  I have been "taken" also.

Prescott, AZ
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#2 Consumer Suggestion

How To Avoid Getting Ripped Off in the Horse Buying Game

AUTHOR: Jamie - (United States of America)

I am a breeder of American Quarter Horses here in Tennessee.  I buy horses for my breeding program, and I always have foals or mares for sale.  If the is one thing I have learned over the years it is this: SOME PEOPLE WILL SAY ANYTHING TO SELL YOU A HORSE!  I don't know the person this complaint is about, I only seek to educate those of you who are looking to buy a horse.  Many problems that horse buyers encounter can be avoided by following a few simple rules:

1. NEVER buy a horse you have not seen in the flesh!  Do not be pressured into sending deposits through Paypal, check, or any other means just because the seller says,"It won't last long!" or "I have a lot of people coming to look at this horse!  I need a deposit if you really want it!"  Don't fall for this!!!  This is a way to get your money.  NEVER do this unless you have previous experience with the seller.

2. NEVER accept a horse when the paperwork is not in order.  Check all paperwork before test riding or loading the horse.  Coggins tests, registration papers, health certificates, vaccinations, etc. are there to protect the buyer.  And just because the horse in the picture has the same markings as the horse you see in the flesh, this does not guarantee it is the same horse.   If those things are not in order, follow the old adage BUYER BEWARE!  If something doesn't smell right, pass it by.

3. BE WILLING TO WALK AWAY FROM THE SALE!  Do not accept delivery of or take home any horse that differs from the pictures, information, and claims the seller has made!  I don't care if you drove 1000 miles to purchase a horse, don't buy it if it doesn't match all claims made.  If it has horrible feet, and you were told they were perfect, don't buy it.  Farrier bills or an unsound horse may cost you a lot more than that 1000 miles worth of gas you bought.  If you have been sent pictures of a perfectly healthy horse, and the seller tries to send you home with a skinny, wormy, dull-eyed nag, don't take it home!  Vet bills may have you taking out a second mortgage.  I do not require anyone who buys a horse from me to pay the balance before they see the horse in person.  I will take a deposit if they want me to hold the horse for them for pickup or delivery.  The balance is always due the actual day the horse leaves the farm.

4. IF YOU CATCH A SELLER IN ONE LIE, BE CAREFUL, BECAUSE THEY NEVER TELL JUST ONE!  Don't take this the wrong way, because every person that's trying to sell a horse is not out to get you.  There are many responsible, honest horsefolk out there - unfortunately, there are just as many that are out to scam you. 

5. FIND OUT ALL YOU CAN ABOUT THE SELLER!  We have a lot of resources available through the internet - USE IT!  It's amazing what you can come up with if you have someone's name and the city they live in.  You may not be able to find information on every seller, but do what you have to do to protect yourself.         
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#3 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Childishness behavior...You are worse than pre-schoolers

AUTHOR: Angela - (United States of America)

You idiots keep complaining that im a "horse trader".  Ive never hid it from anyone...yet you keep on blabbing it.  I BUY AND SELL HORSES AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT SO WHY DO YOU WASTE YOUR BREATH AND KEEP SAYING IT?  If I was hideing the fact I wouldnt be seen in public standing there buying them now would I?  Repeat customers keep me in alot of business so the jaw flapping isnt doing anything but makeing you all look childish. Every one of the people who have bought from me and now come to this scum of the earth to complain knew I bought and sold horses BEFOR they bought.   Funny how some of this is coming from OTHER HORSE TRADERS to.  In fact its actually rediculous to know that so many people have nothing better to do. 

Unlike the rest of you,  I have a life and wont devote anymore of my time to you all. 

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AUTHOR: no need in it - (United States of America)

for someone that seems to think they have done no wrong you sure are on the defensive trying to turn things around on others.  the point of the matter is..........................

you have done "MANY" people wrong...........

craigslist is full of complaints

lsn is full of complaints

and ripoffreport is full of complaints

sounds like to me that you have the problem.............not me.  lmfao

The few horses that i ever bought from the sale barns have been someone elses problem.  and i turned around and took it back to the sale barn.  i have enough since to not turn around and sale a problem horse to someone and take a chance on getting sued because i misrepresented it as you continue to do.  one day you will be sued for this hope you have a good attorney waiting along side.  especially you selling them as kid broke 95% of the time.  get someones kid hurt or killed....wow  how can you sleep at night?

well big'n im done talkin to you.  you are busted................get over it!  hahahaha
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#5 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Oh for Gods sake....get a life

AUTHOR: Angela - (United States of America)

1st of all some people are busy bodies and need a hobby.  Yes I go to horse sales and never said I didnt.  I buy and sell and if you dont like it then thats to darn bad.  It's in plain english on my site
that I buy from several different sources.  You think your "telling on somebody" when I have never tried to hide it in the 1st place.  If you dont like it then DONT BUY from me!  Its really that simple.
And for YOUR information, i DO NOT live in Watertown, I live in LEBANON.  I guess if I go to New Mexico and buy a t-shirt thats says "New Mexico" then thats where I live....???
If you see me at an auction then you saw the other MANY people who are there to buy and then list them on the internet.  They advertise the SAME WAY I do.  We advertise the horse they way we see the horse behave while WE own it.   Many many wonderful horses are bought and sold thru sale barns.  Just because the horse is there DOES NOT mean the horse is a problem or cant be handled.  Thats absolutely not true and if YOU go to the sales then you know it as well.  I know folks who have horses they show on a regular basis who bought the horse for re-sale and bought them from HORSE SALES!  They kept them and now they trail ride them or show them....so dont give me the line of bull crapp about every horse being bad that comes from a sale barn.  I guess you shouldnt buy a car from a car salesman and you shouldnt buy that next pet from a pet shop either.  If you havent been to my house/farm to see or ride the horses I own right now...how do you know anything about them?  And no, you dont always see my daughter ride a horse through the auction ring and ANY sale.  She has ridden some horses for folks, but NEVER on a regular basis and NEVER do I take horses and sell them on a regular basis.  Get your facts strait.  MANY traders/dealers attend the same sales and buy thier horses only to take home and list on the internet.    Could it be that YOU are one of those folks?  Maybe, or maybe not but the truth is I DO NOT CARE.  But if your gonna flap your jaws then you need to be flappin' the truth and not something that anyone with common scence can read on my own website~ Maybe you just honestly think your doing everyone a favor, if so then I applaud your attemt to be a good citizen...if your a busy body who needs a good hobby...I would suggest you start your own fertilizer company because your full of bullshit~

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#6 Consumer Comment

horses are from local sale barns

AUTHOR: no need in it - (United States of America)

She buys/sales horses from smiths grove ky and cookeville tn at the horse sales they are there every time the doors are open.  The strawberry blonde daughter is always riding horses through the ring and they are buyin too.....they r from watertown i think because the daughter is always there
with a purple Watertown tee-shirt on.  Pass the knowledge!!  i know this for a fact because i have seen them there on a regular basis because i go quite a bit myself to buy tack & etc.  buyers beware because most horses only make it to a sale barn because nobody else wants them or cant handle them.
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#7 Author of original report

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AUTHOR: Kathy - (USA)

Angela did offer to have the horse delivered halfway to a truckstop in Alabama even though we told her we would come to her farm.  I believe this was done so that we would not have the opportunity to try him out.  We accepted him at that time because she had our $2,500.00 and we had nothing.

We did not jump on him as soon as we reached home.  We have owned horses over forty years and we know what to do.

We called her the next day, within the timeframe of the exchange policy.  We did not buy the cheapest horse she had, there were several the same price ($2,500.00) or less that we wanted to exchange for (she would have owed us money).  She never contacted us about these horses and when we called her she said they were sold.

I have the original advertisement in which the horse was misrepresented and I have copies of all emails.

There are four other reports on Angela Jones, Horse Trader, on this website, and all have very similar stories about the horse having been misrepresented: #698742 (Ohio), #689482 (Canada), #517260 (Alabama), #309798 (Alabama).

Angela Jones, Horse Trader, should be investigated for fraud.   
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#8 REBUTTAL Owner of company

BUYER would not return the horse for an exchange

AUTHOR: Angela - (United States of America)

Please tell the WHOLE story and not just bits and pieces of it. The horse sold was sold with a ONE week exchange policy. The horse was delivered half way FREE of charge,and the buyer accepted the horse without any problems. I was contacted by the buyer because the horse acted up a bit,but he had just been hauled several hundred miles and they pulled him right off the trailer and jumped on him. I advised them to give him a day or so to settle in and if not happy,just bring him back per our agreement. I was NEVER contacted about a size,weight or age discrepancy. All the buyer had to do was return the horse,and choose another one. I had several other horses to choose from but when the buyer bought the horse they chose to buy the cheapest priced horse I had so for a return they would have needed to pay the difference of course. They did not wish to do that,and at that point I could not do anything further. I even extended the ONE week exchange they signed to TWO weeks and still they did not return the horse.  If he was so bad,underweight,and short then why on earth would you not bring him back if you had a written agreement to get an exchange!!!!

If you purchase a horse from us with an exchange policy,yet will not return the horse and choose another one I can't do anything to help you!
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