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  • Submitted: Mon, October 31, 2011
  • Updated: Sun, April 15, 2012

  • Reported By: Lynne — Ohio United States of America
Thunder Valley Ranch
4303 se 108th ave noble, Oklahoma United States of America

Thunder Valley Ranch Faye Schreffler and Sean Autry breech of contract, not properly caring for my animals noble, Oklahoma

*Consumer Comment: The Emails....and stuff....

*Consumer Comment: To make myself clear

*Consumer Comment: You have me confused with another responding party....

*Consumer Comment: games,extortion, and lies oh my

*UPDATE Employee: Dont use big words unless you know how To use them properly

*Consumer Comment: Extortion

*UPDATE Employee: Its called "Due Process of Law"!

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Picture of Tina and Buddy leaving my property with Mr. Gordon in his trailer on Oct 25, 2011

*UPDATE Employee: Called the Due Process of Law!!!

*Consumer Comment: Where's this lawsuit?

*UPDATE Employee: Thats Right the facts do tell the Truth!

*Consumer Comment: Lawsuit....FYI

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: PLEASE NOTE: LEGAL ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN

*UPDATE Employee: Transporter Notes

*Consumer Comment: Let's hear from one of the transport team members....

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Roberta Lynn Rocco has a criminal and drug record

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: THE PERSON ABOVE HAS A CRIMINAL RECORD *BEWARE*

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To Whom It May Concern:  October 28, 2011
 
Faye Schreffler, Sean Autry of Thunder Valley Ranch and myself entered a contract agreement on June 2, 2011 consisting of 5 months of full care boarding for my 9 year old quarter horse gelding Buddy and my 6 year old American cream draft mare Tina in exchange for Tinas son My Mighty Thor for the amount of $1500.00.  150.00 per month per horse. 150x2 = 300 a month x 5 months = 1500.00 (the purchase price for My Mighty Thor). Faye drew up the contract herself and stated boarding includes Spring shots which I was present when administered, pasture boarding, grain feeding, hay daily in winter or when needed and fresh grass daily in summer, fresh water daily, stalling if needed (severe weather or injury related), hoofs trimmed every 90 days (w/owners permission), wormer every 3 months (w/owners permission). Fall shots are the responsibility of the owner if stables takes care of it, the owner will be charged a shots fee. The contract also states in clause #1 that after this contract agreement has been met a clean bill of sale for My Mighty Thor will be signed over to the stables owners, and that at this time a new boarding contract will be drawn up at that time and agreed and signed by both parties.  However, Faye sent me an email on Facebook July 23rd stating that she would not continue boarding after the contract agreement due to the drought and lack of hay.  I understood and agreed to remove my horses from her property at the conclusion of this contract via facebook email response.  She has changed her reasoning for not continuing boarding after the contract  4 times since the agreement to remove my horses at conclusion of contract.
Faye and Sean were notified in mid July that I would be moving out of state they were fine with that. I was out visiting my horses the day before I moved on July 29th, my horses were in good shape, I left a brand new bottle of Phiranna fly spray and took photos of both Buddy and Tina. At that time I asked Faye to trim Buddys hooves that they were in need of trimming, she agreed, but never notified me that it was taken care of.  She never notified me of any hoof trimming or worming much less asked my permission to do so. Faye had asked me to keep her posted on how things were going with me once I got settled in.  I kept in contact with her once I was settled in and had started working.  I sent her numerous emails on Facebook doing so, also asking how my horses were doing, she never responded until I sent another email stating that I felt that I was being avoided.  I did receive a response to that email with threats of a lawyer and having animal control pick up my horses as abandoned if they were still on her property November 1st.  Not one time did she inform me of the well being of my horses.  There were a couple of emails back and forth before she cut this line of communication and blocked me from communicating with her. She did this on September 21, 2011. I heard nothing from her until I received another Facebook email on October 17, 2011 in which I received and responded to on October 18th thanking her for unblocking me and my line of communication and informed her to release my horses and my belongings which were listed to Phillip  between the dates of October 23-31st when the next available rig was available to him to remove my horses and belongings from her property.  Phil contacted Faye on Monday October 24, 2011 to make arrangements to pick up my horses and belongings Wednesday October 26th at 10am.  She told Phil that she didnt have time to mess with him and that he better not come out Wednesday.  Phil made temporary holding arrangements for my horses and to satisfy Faye made arrangements to pick up Tuesday afternoon.
She has sent numerous threats to my facebook email, my aol email, and text messages. One of these emails included threats to my transporter with firearms, another about her dogs and that her boxer will bite amongst other threats including suing me for property damages caused by my horses, that my horses are wild, badly behaved, and dangerous.  I have retained all of this and can provide it all if needed.  I refused to respond to her threats and I forwarded all communication from her to my personal representative Robynn  so her and Phil would be informed of what to expect from Faye and Sean.  The Norman PD were called and the emails of the firearm and dog threats were shown to the officer who met them on October 25, 2011 at approximately 3:45 pm at Hwy 9 and SE 108th who called for another officer for backup before entering Faye and Seans property.  When they arrived, Robynn reported back to me that both Faye and Sean were waiting with a young girl and four unleashed dogs including the boxer that bites.  It was also reported to me that the officers required them to put the dogs away and Faye and Sean complied. 
Upon arrival, my horses were located in a pasture with no hay and water that was described by Robynn as nothing more than pond scum and was bright green in color.  My gray horse round bale feeder had been assembled and was in another pasture where my horses were not located with a new round bale of hay inside it.  I was never asked or notified that my round bale feeder was being used, much less for their own horses, not mine. When I left it, it was in a shed on the west side of her car garage disassembled in 3 pieces with the nuts and bolts laying next to it.  She referred to my equipment (round bale feeder, fence feeders, my Rubbermaid trash can for grain which was completely empty leaving me and Phil and Robynn to assume that my horses had not been fed grain in quite some time and two 40 gallon water tanks that I left for my horses to use) as junk.  I provided necessary equipment to be used for my horses that were not used for my horses.  My horses were not in the healthy condition that I left them in.  They had lost considerable amount of weight, both very wormy, and dehydrated.  They were sweaty and scared to death. Tina was covered in flies, Buddy had welps that Robynn believes could be from fly bites, and the Phiranna fly spray bottle I left was empty, apparently not used for my horses.  It was reported back to me that Sean had admitted to running my horses, supposedly trying to catch them for an hour before Phil and Robynn had arrived.  Both Buddy and Tina were scared to death of Sean and Faye and whenever either of them approached my horses both would start trembling.  Robynn went into the pasture alone per her request and with proper horse handling within moments Tina came right to her and Buddy followed suit.  She was able to halter both horses and lead them both simultaniously through the gate and close the gate behind them within 5 minutes of entering the pasture without any incident from either horse.  Robynn also stated that as she was latching the gate closed Faye was approaching and both horses started showing signs of fear so she walked them around the shop away from Sean and Faye and to the far side of Phil s trailer to keep Faye and Sean out of their sight which seemed to calm both horses.  They were both loaded onto the trailer within 20 minutes.  As for any damages to their property, absolutely no damages were seen by Phil or Robynn or the officers that escorted them to the property, nor was there any mention to anyone at pick up about any damages to the property.  Robynn reported that Buddy was showing signs of SEVERE stress and fear.  Robynn reported that she asked Faye when she had wormed the horses and that Faye had changed her story 3 times, first it was a week ago, then two weeks ago, then sometime before her auto accident.  Robynn said that was basically no useful information other that it would be safe to worm them both ASAP.   Faye claimes that both of my horses were untrained, dangerous, and aggressive, that they have never been handled, yet Robynn and Phil saw a totally different picture, and both reported to me that my horses were highly stressed, scared and showing signs of neglect and or abuse.  They were in no way aggressive towards Phil, Robynn, or Robynns husband in hand, and both were reportedly tensed up and started shivering any time that Faye or Sean approached, both horses were looking for security and comfort from Robynn and Robynn reports doing everything she could possibly do to keep my horses away from Sean and Faye.  Robynns husband took photos of my horses prior to being loaded in the trailer and after loaded in the trailer together before departing Faye and Seans property.   Faye has continued to harass me even after my horses and belongings were removed from her property which has caused me no other choice than to change my phone number. She continues to harass Phil demanding mine and Robynns contact information that she has no legal right to have. (She never had my address even on the contract)
As far as the contract, Faye nor Sean have completed the contract, they did not properly care for my horses, and violated the contract on many levels.  As the legal owner of My Mighty Thor I am asking for his removal from their property for his best interest. He deserves a good loving home, and I have the perfect home in mind for him via Robynn.  Also reported back to me, My Mighty Thor nor her other 2 horses were nowhere to be seen or heard on the property when Buddy and Tina were removed from Faye and Seans care.  I will be consulting an attorney concerning the contract portion of this agreement and what my rights are considering the circumstances.  I do not believe that I should have to sign Thor over to these people as contract states when they did not uphold their end of the contract and I believe no monies to be owed to them for board for the un-proper care of my horses or damages that were not presented or even brought up until after Faye was notified to release my horses and belongings to Phillip.  If there were damages caused by my horses, I should have been notified immediately when any damage had occurred as any boarding facility would do, and if my horses needed vet care or were harmed in any way.  I do not believe there are any damages.
I am prepared to provide photos, emails, text messages in correspondence with this whole ordeal.
Lynne 
Legal owner of Buddy, Tina, and Thor

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 10/31/2011 06:23 AM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Thunder-Valley-Ranch/noble-Oklahoma-73068/Thunder-Valley-Ranch-Faye-Schreffler-and-Sean-Autry-breech-of-contract-not-properly-carin-793777. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Consumer Comment

The Emails....and stuff....

AUTHOR: Bobbie - (USA)

This is specifically to the consumer in Tinton Falls.  

THANK YOU.  Finally someone with some sense of reason.  I believe my last post and your post #14 crossed in cyberspace.  I did not see it until some time after mine had been written.  No big deal, I understand who you are addressing and I appreciate that very much.  This is a MAJOR mess and my post addressed Faye and Faye's sock-puppet account.  Yes, I believe it's the same person...the typos match as does the hostility   

I would be most happy to post photos of the unedited threatening email, (there were several ugly ones but only one threatened violence against the transport team), but I expect ROR will reject it due to the vulgarities which violates ROR's Terms of Service.  The other emails were also FILLED with vulgar language and threats toward Lynne by stating Faye would turn her horses over to the animal welfare services as abandoned if they were not removed from her property by October 31st, the end of the contract.  That's how I came to be involved and the pickup is the last and only direct dealing I had with Faye other than this mess online.  She wasn't concerned at all for their welfare back then and in fact was so demanding and ugly in those emails about getting the "blankety blank" horses off her property immediately, claiming they were dangerous and had damaged her property.

ALSO:  This isn't a situation where Lynne was caring for them mid contract then left the State, Lynne placed them at Faye's and in her care BECAUSE she was leaving for Ohio and needed someone to care for them.  

Thank you again for your reason and insight.   To answer one of your questions, I can tell you that YES, both horses were infested with parasites.  Tina had pinworms (I could see that when loading her that day) so it's obvious that thorough worming was not being done on schedule at Faye's and I believe she was responsible for making arrangements for that with the owner out of State. The worms would be one explanation for the condition you see in the photos posted of Tina.  I will have to let Lynne address the condition of her horses for you as she has been the one in contact with her vet, etc.  Her email above is still valid.  Feel free to contact her and ask for the condition of her horses or the emails, etc.

As far as her name, many people go by their middle name.  My mother did, from the time she was a small child.  I go by a nickname in some circles and my given name in others.  I'm not sure what other names you are talking about, would you clarify?  She signed the contract with her legal name...which a person should do and that legal name included the name I know her by.... "Lynne".  That's not a crime.  Many people conduct business in their full legal names yet go by a middle name or even a nickname.   I'm only seeing the one name with either Roberta or Lynne being used first.   With "Lynne" being her middle name, it doesn't give me any reason to think she is dishonorable if she chooses to be called Lynne instead of Roberta.   I'm not saying that you are claiming that, just stating my opinion.

I agree with you and have many of the same questions about the claims of Tina starving.   What about Buddy?  He was in the same trailer that day...so is he on Antler's Blvd, too?   Why would one be starving and the other not?  Although that would further verify the existence of worms.  And YES, if they are in danger, why are the horses not in the hands of the authorities?   There are only two answers.  1)  These are more lies or 2) the Owner is complying with the authorities and rectifying the situation.  The owner being, Lynne, not Mr. Gordon, and only Lynne can answer those questions.  Otherwise, Tina would be in the care of a rescue or the authorities if she was truly in danger and/or starving.  

Thank you again for your constructive comments.  I too look forward to seeing this come to an end for all parties involved.  I have watched Lynne and Mr. Gordon harassed to the point that if I were in their shoes I would have already filed charges against Faye.  

If you, or anyone else, would like to see the emails in question since I cannot post them here without violating TOS, you can email Lynne at the address Faye posted for the world to see.  I'm certain she would be more than happy to forward them to you.

I will be unavailable to respond for awhile but will check back periodically if there is a CONSTRUCTIVE question like yours from another consumer.   Thank you again for your respectful communication.

Have a good week.




  
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#2 Consumer Comment

To make myself clear

AUTHOR: ANON. In Monmouth - (United States of America)

I was never speaking about you. I was speaking about the responsible owner (who has gone by many names) of the horse and Faye. It seems to me you have been caught up as a first hand witness in a bad situation and have had very valuable insight into what has gone on here. Again my point was it is against the law to threaten to give someone the option of giving there "starving animal" to a rescue or threatening to sue them.  I was agreeing that it is indeed extortion and was written in public forum.

Again if this horse is indeed starving where are the authorities? Could the horse have come back sick or damaged? And what of the other horse? Please don't drop out of the conversation. I would like to know how this situation resolves itself.
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#3 Consumer Comment

You have me confused with another responding party....

AUTHOR: Bobbie - (USA)

First of all, let me be PERFECTLY CLEAR.  These horses were NEVER in my care.

I am not Phil Gordon's Employee, family or any other type of relation.

I did not lie about any statement I made in this report.  I never said the horses went to Ohio.  Read my words carefully.  

I have no control over Mr. Gordon's actions or words.  

I'm not his business partner.  

When I arrived at your Ranch in October to pick up these horses, I was acting as Lynne's representative. Remember,  I showed up with a police escort (2 of them) in a separate vehicle, with my husband?  

When I left your property I did not have custody or control of either Buddy or Tina and I was not responsible for their maintenance since that time.

What happened from there was Mr. Gordon's responsibility.  

I don't live on or anywhere NEAR the property listed on Antlers (thank GOD...).

I have not been the one responsible for Tina's daily care and maintenance (or Buddy's) at any time, with the exception of the time it took to bring both horses out of your pasture on your property and place both horses in Mr. Gordon's trailer that day in October.

So I cannot answer your question(s). You will have to ask Mr. Gordon.

I would think that if Tina is still on his property "starving" that the authorities would remove her, correct? 

Seems pretty straight forward to me.  If the horse is in danger and being starved to death, why is she not off the property in the care of the authorities or a rescue?  What about Buddy?  Why haven't you mentioned him at all?  Is he starving, too?  

I'm so, so sorry for the big words.   Next time I'll dumb it down and say it like this:

When a person tries to force someone who does not own property into giving said property to you or someone else by means of threatening to sue them, or otherwise cause them harm or distress if you don't get what you want, it's called EXTORTION.

DUH.

Due to the risk of lost brain cells that I may incur if I continue this communication, I will now depart the discussion.  I think that enough information has been placed out there to answer everyone's questions.  

The consumer will make their own conclusion.

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#4 Consumer Comment

games,extortion, and lies oh my

AUTHOR: ANON. In Monmouth - (United States of America)

It is obvious this contract has been terribly mishandled by both parties. as a third party i would like to see the the threats made by Faye in writing to you. She has not backed down in divulging any personal information about you.

The lawsuit vs. reporting this women to the authorities is not only bordering on extortion but does show your true moral fiber. If it was truly about the horse you would have done something already. he horse has been seperated from the other and has just undergone from what has been described a severe psychological experience. The best thing would be to surrender it to a rescue.

Stop using the animals as pawns here.  Faye as  someone who studies  animal psychology and animal human bond I will say the horses looked in decent condition when leaving the property, but the lengths you have gone to to disparage these people and the options you have left them looks like its time for  a business change.
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#5 UPDATE Employee

Dont use big words unless you know how To use them properly

AUTHOR: Witness - (United States of America)

Its not extortion when all the facts & evidence are true and provide proof Of animal abuse. Stop avoiding the question, why did Tina leave Faye's property at a healthy weight and never make it to Ohio like you stated in your first statment you want to.talk about trust you got caught red handed in a lie. Again why did Tina not make it to her destination and end Up starving For 5 months On Phillip Gordons property at 30 Antler Blvd Mcloud, OK. We all want To.know how Tina went from the way she looks in the First two pictures To the last horrible picture, whats ur answer To that? She was in your guys care, you are all responsable For her care! Why did you let her get so starved thats what channel News 4 is going To.want to know and thats what any Of us really care about is the welfare Of that horse. This includes the Horse Rescue.who is involved and the Pott. Police dept that has been doing the welfare checks For the rescue. We r done wasting our time On this useless site, its not helping.saving Tina's Life! we are going full force with every agency, dept, News channel and thr court Of law, we r going To do whatever it takes To.save her Life bc that is all that matters here! I think we have provided enough.pictures and evidence For everyone To c who is in the wrong here and commiting animal abuse. Pictures say 1,000 words and quite frankley I say it says it all right there in that picture Of starving Tina On Phillip Gordons property. Notice how neither one make comment On why Tina looks like that in their care, because they are guilty and they know they got caught in a lie! We are done here and since you wont answer our questions, ur just wasting our time! We will c u in the only place it matters, in a court Of law! Witness :)

You know its God sent that you all posted On this website bc if you hadn't we would have never investigated further into the truth and have never know Tina was still here starving in your care. if you hadn't said something we would have never.gotten the chance To save her Life and we Thank you For that!
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#6 Consumer Comment

Extortion

AUTHOR: Bobbie - (USA)

And there you have it folks.  If you wondered if Faye is a trustworthy businesswoman, read the above post then read this:

From Wikidpedia:

Extortion (also called blackmail, shakedown, outwresting, and exaction) is a criminal offence which occurs when a person unlawfully obtains either money, property or services from a person(s), entity, or institution, through coercion. Refraining from doing harm is sometimes euphemistically called protection. Extortion is commonly practiced by organized crime groups. The actual obtainment of money or property is not required to commit the offense. Making a threat of violence which refers to a requirement of a payment of money or property to halt future violence is sufficient to commit the offense. Exaction refers not only to extortion or the unlawful demanding and obtaining of something through force,[1] but additionally, in its formal definition, means the infliction of something such as pain and suffering or making somebody endure something unpleasant.[2]Extortion is distinguished from robbery. In armed robbery, the offender takes goods from the victim with use of immediate force. In robbery goods are taken or an attempt is made to take the goods against the will of anotherwith or without force. A bank robbery or extortion of a bank can be committed by a letter handed by the criminal to the teller. In extortion, the victim is threatened to hand over goods, or else damage to their reputation or other harm or violence against them may occur. Under federal law extortion can be committed with or without the use of force and with or without the use of a weapon. A key difference is that extortion always involves a written or verbal threat whereas robbery can occur without any verbal or written threat.The term extortion is often used metaphorically to refer to usury or to price-gouging, though neither is legally considered extortion. It is also often used loosely to refer to everyday situations where one person feels indebted against their will, to another, in order to receive an essential service or avoid legal consequences.Neither extortion nor blackmail require a threat of a criminal act, such as violence, merely a threat used to elicit actions, money, or property from the object of the extortion. Such threats include the filing of reports (true or not) of criminal behavior to the police, revelation of damaging facts (such as pictures of the object of the extortion in a compromising position), etc.
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#7 UPDATE Employee

Its called "Due Process of Law"!

AUTHOR: Witness - (United States of America)

Wow you do really need to be educated, maybe if you had studied law like I had you would know what Due Process of Law is.  Fundamentally, it is the constitutional guarantee that all legal proceedings will be fair and that one will be given
notice of the proceedings etc. It is founded under the 5th and 14th amendment. With that being said that means the lawsuit is still at the being stages, like advised before the certified letter, letters of intent were just mailed out last week.

The lawyers have to give a certain amount of time to respond. If no response then the phone calls and other ways of contact like social media will begin. They have to try by every means to settle the lawsuit outside of court before it actually goes to a court room. This is why Faye has offered to drop the lawsuit for 3,500 (max amount allowable in this kind of lawsuit), on animal cruelty on Tina and slander of her name, for the release of Tina to the property authorities like the police or the horse rescue so she can get the care she needs. If no agreement can be met then it will go to court and when it finally gets to that point that is when you will see an actual court case number assigned. So dont think its not real and its not going to happen, I grantee we will prosecute to the full extent of the law. Whatever it takes to save
Tina, its not about us anymore its about saving that poor starving mare!

I asked Faye to post a picture of Tina getting on Mr. Gordons trailer, we know its his trailer because the tag on it can be traced back to his business (Gordon Farms of Mcloud). This picture illustrates the last day Tina was seen on Fayes property and establishes she was in good condition and a healthy weight the last day we all saw her on Oct 25, 2011.

Also note Mr. Gordon is also in the picture, we have more pictures in it with this Robyn aka Bobbie individual as well.

I have attached a photo of what Tina looks like when we discovered her on Mr. Gordons property on March 10, 2012.

First what I find amazing is if you look at the transporters notes he states he delivered both horse to Ohio. Oh yeah then why did we find her on your property starving, who got caught in a lie, looks like someone put their foot in their mouth!

Notice the picture of Tina in this deplorable condition looks very much like the mare in the first picture Faye posted of her. We know this is her for several reasons one she is an American Cream Draft and very rare breed (estimated only about
400 in the US) and Faye has a copy of Tina registration papers which this mare matches perfectly too. Second Tina had amber colored eyes a very rare trait; the mare at Gordons also has the same amber color eyes. The marking of both
horses are the same like the white blaze on her face. As well as the green rope halter that is seen in the picture is the same one Tina left in from Fayes property. We know this is Mr. Gordons property from the photo because you can
see all the junk on his property as well as the police have confirmed it is the same horse on the dame property they did a well fair check on!

Now the question I have for you is how can you live with yourself and allow a horse to suffer and starve like this? Tina does not deserve this and we are prepared to do whatever it takes to save her life, I have also reported this story to channel 4 news; in your corner segment.

So again we ask the lawsuit or do will you release Tina to the proper authorities like the police or the rescue and never speak of this or use Fayes name again?  

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#8 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Picture of Tina and Buddy leaving my property with Mr. Gordon in his trailer on Oct 25, 2011

AUTHOR: Thunder Valley Ranch Owners - (United States of America)

Picture of Tina and Buddy leaving with Mr. Gordon in his trailer on Oct 25, 2011 as stated before notice that Tina shows no ribs or hip bones. Also another picture of her face and in good health was posted earlier in this thread that photo was also taken on my property just hours before they left. Again notice how her face and neck are full and healthy.
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#9 UPDATE Employee

Called the Due Process of Law!!!

AUTHOR: Witness - (United States of America)

Wow really I have to educate you too, maybe if you had study law like I had you would know how a lawsuit works. Its called the Due Process of Law, which in simple terms means a fundamental, constitutional guarantee that all legal proceeding will be fair and that one will be given notice of the proceedings etc. all founded in the 5th and 14th amendments. So with that being said, the letters of intent just got mailed out last week, the lawyers have to
wait to give you a chance to answer if no answer is forth coming then the phone calls and other social media like on here will start to try and negotiate a bargain outside of court. Faye has offered a deal stating she will not further pursue
the lawsuit if Tina is released to the proper authorities like the police or rescue so she can get the care and help she needs as well as the slander of her name stops right now! Now if an agreement cannot be reached outside of court,
then and only then does it get to go to court and only once the court date has been issued will you see a court number issued. Thats how it works; lawsuits and other court proceedings take time. However, that does not mean it will not
happen everything you say and do is being watched and documented by Faye's lawyers and will be used against you in a court of law.

Now I have asked Faye to post a picture of Tina the last time she saw her as she was getting on Mr. Gordons trailer leaving her property for the very last time and it was also the last time I saw her as well, I was there to witness the exchange. Just so you know in case you try to say it is not Mr. Gordon,  you can run the tag number of the trailer it is linked to his business in Mcloud under Gordon Farms. Mr. Gordon is also in the photo I doubt he has a double but most
importantly what the photo proves is Tina you can tell from the photo is at her optimal weight for a horse her size should be at. Notice she has neither ribs nor hip bones showing. That photo was taken Oct 25th 2011
 
Now I have attached a picture of what Tina looks like at Mr. Gordons place and you can tell its on his place because of the junk all over so don't try saying it is not his place we have a ton more pictures where that came from and so do the police and the several rescues working on this case.  Also we know its Tina, she is an American Cream Draft a very rare breed (only 400 estimate d in the US) and Faye has a copy of her registration papers and they match up perfectly. Most importantly the mare on Mr. Gordon property has amber eyes a very rare trait and a trait only found in America Cream Drafts have and guess what we have photos showing Tina having amber eyes too. Now what are the odds that an American Cream Draft Mare with amber eyes leaves in Mr. Gordons Trailer and then in 5 months another exact America Cream Draft Mare with amber eyes is starving on his property with her green rope halter that Tina left in from Fayes property now come on you cant really think we are all that stupid. The picture of Tina starving on Mr. Gordons
property was taken on March 10th 2012.

My question to you is why did you do that to her, she doesnt  deserve to live like that or die. How can you live with yourself for the cruelty you have done to that poor horse!! Just so you know everyone is aware of whats going on I have disclosed this information about Tina starving to all the rescues and police in the local area and my next step is to inform the local news like channel 4 on their in your corner segment. My only concern at this point is saving Tina from the fate of starving to death and we will do whatever it takes to save her life!
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#10 Consumer Comment

Where's this lawsuit?

AUTHOR: Bobbie - (USA)

As of this date I see no lawsuit on file with OSCN.net.  When a case is filed, then a summons is issued and parties are served either by certified letter or process server.   But the case has to be on file first.  Where is it?  Care to share the link to the case and what grounds you have?   All I found was a traffic ticket on Faye from years past.

I would like to see black and white facts about your so called lawsuit.  Where is it?
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#11 UPDATE Employee

Thats Right the facts do tell the Truth!

AUTHOR: Witness - (United States of America)

Thats right facts do speak for themselves and the truth so lets have some fun and see who got the most evidence to convict their case.

to start, since the filing of the lawsuit, Mr. Gordon has tried to call Faye's Commander and you know what they found out through their investigation, lies all of it, Faye's Commander told Mr. Gordon their was no truth found to his stories and to call civilian channels.

Then as Faye was doing her investigation for her lawyers, she found to her horror that Tina, the American Cream Draft Mare never left Oklahoma has you all claimed. You want to start recanting your statment now or should I keep destroying your lies with more facts and evidence? Poor Tina is at 30 Antler Blvd Mcloud, OK starving to death. Faye did what any animal loving person would do, she took tons of pics of her condition on Mr. Gordons property, which by the way is filthy, no grass or clean water, it looks like a tree grave yard.BC the trees are dying BC all the horses on the.property are so starved they are eating the bark. once Faye had her evidence she called the local horse rescue Blazes Tribute Horse Rescue and thats when they got involved, they stated they have had negative run in with Mr. Gordon before. They advised Faye to call the local police about the animal , which she did and started an investigation on animal cruelty and neglect.

And from what Faye has told me the certified letters for the lawsuit went out last week, you should get them this week and if the lawyers dont hear nothing by this Friday, the phone calls from the lawyers are going tp start next week.

From what Faye has said she is willing to drop the lawsuit, on one condition first and most importantly Tina, the starving Mare is surrerendered to the police

or the rescue, thats what Faye mostly cares about is saving that Mare! Second the slandering and harssment ends for good. Unless this happens Faye will push this to the farthest extent of the law she can. So unless you are prepared to higher expensive lawyers ans see her in court, BC I guarantee on my life and Faye has saved my butt overseas a time or two, so I know the kind of person she is, you will see her there. Faye never gives up, her drive and determination is beyond anything of this world!

I have seen the pics of what you did to Tina, terrible! How do you live with yourself?

Cheers hope to see you again.in court, ill be there as a witness since I was one of the folks that was there when you removed the horses from Faye's property :)

Facts and evidence will bring the truth to justice!

Oh and we are waiting for all of your answer about the lawsuit

Thank you,

Witness
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#12 Consumer Comment

Lawsuit....FYI

AUTHOR: Bobbie - (USA)

Just FYI, I'd like to further enlighten any readers.  

If a case is filed in District Court, depending on the type of case, it will have two letters, the year, then a chronological number based on the number of cases filed during that calendar year.  

For example:

Family Cases (i.e. divorce, custody, etc.) would be FD-2012-XXXXXX
(x's represent numbers for lack of info)

or 

Cival Cases:   CJ-2012-XXXXXX
Marriage License:  ML-2009-XXXXXXX
Traffic Offenses:  TR-2011-XXXXXX
Small Claims:  SC-2011-XXXXXX

There's even designated letters for Notary Public agents, bad debts, criminal cases, and so on.

The case number Faye has quoted may be some Pre-Paid Legal ID number (she kept carrying on about that when we picked up the horses) or an internal office number (which I HIGHLY doubt) since there really isn't a REAL case anywhere on file with any District Court within Oklahoma.  

I've worked for a reputable attorney.  We don't assign internal numbers.  Just the name of our clients and then the case number once it is filed.  NOT just random numbers.  There is a reason behind the case number as you can clearly see.

A case can be filed even if you have been unable to locate the other party.  So the fact of the matter is that again Faye has lied.  She may intend to file a case, but as of yet it's not on file with any District Court in this State and I've checked with OSCN.net.  So that leaves one to wonder...if there really is a case here, why wasn't action taken in October?  Why isn't there a police report about the damages?

I KNOW consumers are smart enough to figure that out. 

There are no cases on file in Cleveland County or Tulsa County (where the attorney's office is located).

Also...I have a cleared OSBI background check, too.  BIG DEAL!!!  

People still lie.  Facts don't.   

Bobbie
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#13 REBUTTAL Owner of company

PLEASE NOTE: LEGAL ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN

AUTHOR: Thunder Valley Ranch Owners - (United States of America)

I can no longer make anymore statements at this time because it is now an offical legal matter. My lawyer is Dick Blackeley from Riggs Abney Law Firm his number is 918-587-9762 the case file number is 556138. For any more info or questions please call and speak to my lawyer. Thank You!
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#14 UPDATE Employee

Transporter Notes

AUTHOR: Phillip - (United States of America)

In reply to Faye's rebuttal, I must set the record straight. I contacted Faye on or around the 15th of October to make arrangements to pick up two horses and transport them to Ohio. The horses were picked up in October 25th, 2011. I had a truck that could live load them the next day, but Faye said the 25th, no exceptions. When I arrived to load them, Faye gave me bad directions to her place, said she was a half mile south of highway 9 when on fact she was close to 2 miles. I met Lynn's representative at highway 9 and 108th street. She had emails from Faye stating she would shoot anyone who tried to remove the horses. At that time I had Tobin contact Norman Police department. When they heard who we were dealing with they told us to stay at highway 9 until they could get an officer to us. They sent one, he read the emails from Gaye and called for backup. 3 more showed up, I guess they know her. The horses I picked up were in bad shape, had been mistreated, had no decent water and in need of vet care. There was evidence that they had been run hard prior to my arrival to load them and they were scared to death of Faye and her boy friend.

Faye never warned me about Lynn, that is a bald faced lie. As a courtesy to Faye, I called her when the driver reported her had made good his delivery. He had a 40 foot trailer that is hard to get into tight places so it was agreed that delivery would be made at a Wat-Mart store for safety reasons. Lynn also was told that the transaction required a cash payment on delivery before she could re-load her horses. She was in agreement to that. The statement about a bad check is a blatant lie, it never happened. Lynn had the cash in hand when her horses were unloaded and the delivery driver was paid in full for a clean delivery before she loaded her horses up to leave. I require cash only because so many banks put a 10 to 14 day hold on out of state checks. As far as who to believe here, I think it is obvious. I was contacted by Robin to post what happened and set the record straight. As far as honesty goes, and after reading what Faye has posted, the lies she has stated, I would never recommend her to anyone again. I have in the past couple months, but that will change. I do not like lies being perpetrated involving me in order to gain something. From what I have seen here, if you are planning on doing business with Faye, do so at your own risk. I have seen the police reports, and Faye is lying about who called and the reason.

Be damn careful if you must have any dealings with this person. If it is not, there are reputable boarding stables out there that care about your horses. I did not see that at Faye's, in fact the only horses on the property were the ones I hauled out. I thought that strange for a "boarding stable". Now I know why.
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#15 Consumer Comment

Let's hear from one of the transport team members....

AUTHOR: Bobbie - (USA)

I was present at the pickup of Lynn's animals...reference the name "Robin" in Lynn's report.  The above information posted by Faye is inaccurate.  I would like to clarify a few things.

#1)  The police were called by ME prior to arrival at the property because Lynn received emails that threatened the transporter agent with a firearm and also threatened to turn "dogs" on us. I showed copies of these emails to the police and they were there in a standby capacity only.  There is no report about "damages" on file as of Oct. 28th.   When we pulled up to the property, sure enough all her dogs, including the one that she stated would bite were all running around unleashed.  The police required her to restrain her dogs.  The man at the property with Faye did so.  

#2)  I have a copy of the call for assistance report.  Shall I post that for you Faye?  It has MY name on it,not yours.   Also, for everyone's information:  The police will NEVER EVER give you detailed legal advice. They are not allowed.  They can only go as far as clear enforcement of the law.  

#3)  I also have a copy of the contract.  Shall I post that, too, Faye?  It has the date of end of contract as October 31st.  We picked up these animals before that date.  I would be most pleased to post the emails but I would have to black out all of your vulgar language.    Any interested party can email me through this site and I'd be most happy to share the true language "Faye" allows to spew from her mouth and computer keyboard.

#4)  No.  I don't know where Lynne lives.  We only met one time on a trail ride before she moved to Ohio. I became involved out of compassion for these horses.

#5)  Question:  How can your "Business" be damaged when you stated in your emails that you were getting out of the business of boarding horses due to the drought and your auto accident?

I simply want to share a third party perspective. While at the facility I spoke only when spoken to and gave clear yes and no answers.  As you will see in my report if so requested from me, Faye tried all kinds of things to push our buttons.  She kept stating these are "vicious and dangerous horses".  Well, Sean took a picture with me halfway underneath Tina in effort to push her back end to one side of the trailer and she never once attempted to kick, bite or even pin her ears.  She was clearly use to a slant load and we had to teach her to move over.   I bet you about freaked out when I got between her and the trailer wall and had to walk underneath her neck with no reaction from the horse.  WOW!  Now that's one vicious mare right there!!! LOL!

We didn't buy in to her drama.  Just picked up the horses and Lynne's property and left.  I despise drama and I felt terrible for Lynne's situation so I offered to help Phil with the pickup.  My husband was there out of concern for my safety and insisted we contact the police, which we did.  It is even more apparent seeing that Lynne is continuing to be harassed 5 months later in a vicious way, that I did the right thing by assisting Lynne to get her horses back.   It's now out in the open for everyone to see.  Make up your own decisions folks.  And no, there was not a single bad check in the entire exchange of this transportation arrangement.  Not one.  

I SERIOUSLY doubt that Lynne has a criminal background.   What would that have to do with this anyway?  Because, come on, we all know that well paid, well educated, or even famous people NEVER lie! LOLOL!  

Finally, I have NEVER seen two horses more terrified of two people in my entire life.  I have enough knowledge of horses to know when a horse is afraid of someone and these horses were TERRIFIED of Faye.   I was told by Phil that he had called to tell them we were coming and that Sean had been trying to catch the two horses for an hour prior to our arrival on scene.   They apparently had been trying to coax them with treats.   If someone so chooses to use treats, the horses get treats for good behavior, not to GET good behavior.   I had both of these horses haltered in 5 minutes.  Horse folks....do the math on that, it should tell you something about the handling skills of the people running this place.  

We have pretty pictures, too, Faye!  Shall we post the terrified look in the eyes of the horses?  Or the welps on the back of Buddy?  Or the huge amount of flies on both horses?   Or the pictures where they were moved to the opposite side of the trailer to keep YOU out of their line of site? 

Anyone interested in black and white facts, please contact me for my pickup report, copy of the contract (or Lynne can provide that, too) as well as copies of the emails in which Faye threatened the transport crew.

Be careful folks,

Bobbie
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#16 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Roberta Lynn Rocco has a criminal and drug record

AUTHOR: Thunder Valley Ranch Owners - (United States of America)

*UPDATE* on Roberta Lynn Rocco the indivdual who first tried to file a complaint on Thunder Valley Ranch.



Ok it took hiring a private investigator but i have some new info on Roberta Lynn Rocco, first she goes by Lynn and very rarely gives out her first name. Second she is also wanted by her last know landlord for property damages and stolen property. Her last know address was:



1821 NW 30th St

Oklahoma City, OK 7311B



 The last know landlord wishes to be contacted at the address listed above, if any info is found on Lynn.



Lynn's phone numbers last known are

405-919-0636



email address is: lynnezchatname1@aol.com

facebook name: Lynne DemonQueen



Please any info please post here, it will really help our investigation and lawsuit thank you!



P.S. I also just had a CLEARED background check with the OSBI for a federal job! :) Thanks



Faye



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#17 REBUTTAL Owner of company

THE PERSON ABOVE HAS A CRIMINAL RECORD *BEWARE*

AUTHOR: Thunder Valley Ranch Owners - (United States of America)

I am the owner of Thunder Valley Ranch, also an active duty military member with a Top Security Clearence, BS and Masters Degree, I dont think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out who to belive here. I wish I had done background check on the lady listed above bc we would have never allowed her on our property with a criminal and drug record. the lady above had a boarding contract with us. (Still have the signed copied and can provide copies) Contract states provided hay, water and a place for her horses to live for the barter of the youngest horse, Thor.(I own him free and clear, proof bill of sale, orginal coggins, boarding contract and via what is stated in police report) Contracted started in June 11 she left with no forwarding address in Aug 11, contract was for 5 months. We try to contact her to remove her things and horses at end of contract heard nothin from her by end of Oct so called local authorties and animal welfare offices to report abandon horses, we followed their directions and law to the T.

I was in a terriable accident, in a wheelchair for 3months, she finally contacted me the day after my emergency surgey. Told me it was my responsiblity to get them to a vet for a current coggins ad health certificate. I told her I was not responsible via contract and advised her what the police and animal welfare dept advised me. She blew up threatened me, my family & animals, home. Finially, week before contract ended was contacted by a horse tranporter, I had him escorted by Norman Police, who is working this case on to my property to remove her things and her horses. Police said Thor, the horse stayed and was legally our for pmt of the completed contract. I informed the transporter we were looking for her and warned to becareful he got pd for his services. Two days later he called and thanked me, bc she had tried to be shady. He said she made them meet at a Walmart so no one new where she lived, she tried to give him a check but bc of our warning, refused to unload horsed until it checked out. So happened it was a bad check, she finially came up with cash after she made several phone calls. To this day she has not been scene since Aug even when her horses were removed, she had someone else do it for her. We have not heard anything from her since her horses were removed on the last day of Oct.

Our lawyer and us our looking for any info on this individual bc we are trying to get restitution for property damages and slander of my bussiness name. If u have any info please contact the Norman, OK police dept who handle my case that day or me via email through this links message system. Thank u have a Blessed day!
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