- Report: #898586
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Complaint Review: Together Forever International
Together Forever International2510 West 450 South,Suite 3 Internet United States of America
Together Forever International False Image Presented and Created, Internet
*Author of original report: Owner's Contradictions Exposed (2)
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*Author of original report: Owner's Contradictions Exposed (1)
*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Rebuttal to complaint against Together Forever International
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There are proofs however that can contradict or go against this false "together forever" image. Here is one proof involving the aspect of divorce from a Ukrainian woman that was shown by the site known as askmehelpdesk. [continued below]....
"Divorce From Citizen of Ukraine
Asked Apr 12, 2007, 07:40 PM
I was married 6-7-2005. My wife left with her clothes 1-16-07 for unknown reasons. She did not speak English very well. We had had minor problems involving her 23 year old son whom she missed very much. It was impossible to get a visa for him. She crashed the 2006 Toyota Solara I bought for her on 1-19-07. This I found out when the insurance company sent me a letter. The car was totaled. Shortly thereafter I received a restraining order . I had to hire an attorney and go to Burbank to defend myself. She told a lot of lies and the judge knew something was amiss and did not issue the order which was lucky because I could have lost my job. I served her with divorce papers at the court. I believe I may be the victim of a scam. Now she is trying to extort money from me and is asking for $2500 a month spousal support. I was only married to her for 1.5 years. I want to prevent this from happening to another U.S. Citizen...."
It does not seem that this man is "together forever" with his Ukrainian wife.
Here is another case of Divorce involving yet again a woman from the Ukraine and this comes from the site known as russian-divorce.com.
"Family law : divorce and division of property.
Question: Hi, I am Icelander living in Norway. I am married to woman from Kharkov (Ukraine). Now we have a problems because mistake and misunderstandings...everything was going wrong for us and now she want divorce.
She told me she want divorce because she felt I did not want her. Something in my words or behavior was misunderstand by her. It is lot of things who is different between the west people and the east and can be misinterpreted and badly misleading and can make wrong conclusions and then conflicts. That has happen in our case but I am helpless...She did not answer my phone-calls...she told me in email, she want start new life with man in her homeland."
Again it does not seem that this man will be "together forever" with his Ukrainian wife.
There is also the proof that divorce can occur with a Russian woman as well. The forum expat.ru shows this.
"Divorce from Russian citizen
Date: 01-04-2009, 01:23
My dad married a Russian woman...two years ago...Recently she said she was going to visit
her sister in Ca. She went back to Russia unbeknownst to him and the next thing he received was a form from her to sign saying she was divorcing him. The accusations she is making are completely false."
It does not seem that this man is "together forever" with his Russian wife.
In addition, there can be also sad experiences with Russian women as one person said this on the site known as thecopydude.com:
"kenny C. December 22nd, 2009 at 6:39 am
Russian women suck. I married one, I know. What a goddamn mistake...Im 63 and she is 57. She is selfish, never apologetic, greedy, self centered, never complimentary, brazen, outspoken, never gives any type of affection on her own, is demanding, is highly critical of others, doesnt like anything and never goes out of her way to do any simple task that might bring me some enjoyment. I would rather spend time alone, any I quite often do. Everyone finds me kind and polite and giving, except her. If any of you stupid guys are considering a Russian wife, youd better seriously investigate it deeply. Kenny C."
Again this is this person's experiences but the point is proven that sadness and sad times can involve Russian women.
Finally, there also can be Russian bride scams that can take place with these women as well and no amount of double checking of a Russian or Ukrainian woman by a site can prevent that because they are not with a woman 24 hours a day and they do not know what is going on inside of her mind and inside of her heart. The story of Gary Lee Oldenkamp also known as Gary Oldenkamp shows that there can be Russian bride scams.
"The Russian bride scam
As Gary Oldenkamp tells the story of being caught in a scam to bring a Russian woman to this country, he reveals strong feelings of betrayal.Not only was I taken advantage of by the woman I hoped to spend the rest of my life with, but local officials decided to take her side, even after I gave them proof of what was happening.
Oldenkamps story of exploitation began innocently in 2002, when he decided to enroll in an online dating service.The Hull resident was 38 years-of-age at the time, divorced for one year and interested in dating again.He was contacted by a woman named Elana, who lived in Russia, was a year older than him, also divorced and she had a daughter.Elana worked as an English translator so language was not a barrier.
The two corresponded for six months by email and phone before Oldenkamp flew to Moscow to meet her.
Initially, I wasnt interested in meeting women from other counties, said Oldenkamp.But as the relationship progressed I began to think of all the advantages.There wouldnt be an ex-husband around to deal with and no in-law problems.I thought it was a situation I could control.Plus, I believed that Russian women were soft, docile and calm.Boy was I wrong.
According to the American University Trade and Environment database website, the majority of men who participate in services for Russian brides are white, educated, around 37 years old, and are ideologically conservative.These men are tired of career-obsessed women and see Russian women as less materialistic and more appreciative of men.Russian women are seen as more feminine and more traditional.
Oldenkamp spent a week in Moscow in January 2003, and before he left, asked Elana to marry him.
She told me everything I wanted to hear.She was very charming, soft and pretty, he said.Spending time with her was fun, much better than the usual dating.She was everything I was looking for.And her daughter was very quiet and respectful.Looking back, she told me everything I wanted to hear.
Oldenkamp returned to Hull and began working on the paperwork to bring Elana and her 13 year-old daughter, Sasha, to the United States.She finally arrived in Hull in March of 2004 with a six month visa.
They were married on March 20, 2004 in Oldenkamps home.Afterwards they traveled to Omaha so Elana and Sasha could begin the two-year process of getting a Green Card, or permanent residence in the United States.According to the U.S. Immigration Service, the process of completing and submitting a request for a Green Card through marriage to a U.S. citizen can be both costly and confusing.
But Elana had a back-up plan.
The first six months of the marriage went pretty well, said Oldenkamp.We agreed that she should take a year to settle in before she found a job.We disagreed when I wouldnt hire a maid for her.
But then the relationship started to fray a little.Elana had a car and a drivers license but demanded that Oldenkamp come home from work each morning to drive Sasha to school, which was only a few blocks away.Elana just didnt want to get out of bed to do it, he explained.
She also wanted to take big trips and a huge allowance for clothes.
The following March, when Elana had been in the country for one year, Oldenkamp reminded her of their agreement that she should find a job.While she refused to look for a job, instead she forgot Garys birthday and their first anniversary.That hurt, he recalled.
In June Elana got a job at the Marshall Fields store in Sioux Falls, but soon was tired of the long drive and asked Oldenkamp to pay for an apartment in Sioux Falls so she could live there during the week.
I overlooked a lot during the first year, he recalled.But by then she had dropped the act of being the loving wife and I realized she had told me a lot of lies.She only wanted someone who could give her unlimited amounts of money.
I realized Id made a big mistake and was already thinking about ending the marriage.
The couples arguments about money continued throughout the summer.
On September 14, she again demanded an apartment in Sioux Falls and Oldenkamp told her to move, but he wasnt going to help her.She claimed that he had promised her more money, and in a rage jumped on him and tried choking him.She wasnt really hurting me, he said.But she was out of control, and my son from my first marriage was staying with me that evening and I was concerned for him.I tried to call 911, but she started hitting the phone out of my hands, kicking and scratching me.
Oldenkamp and his son finally got outside to the car, locked the doors and called for help.
Then Elana came running outside screaming, help me, he recalled.I thought it was some kind of a joke, so I rolled down the window and told her shed get more attention if she ran over to the Caseys Store.And thats what she did.
A Sioux County deputy first responded to Oldenkamps home and as he was talking to Gary, the deputy got a call about a woman calling for help from Caseys.
And then Oldenkamps nightmare began.Elana claimed that he had abused her.She had scratches on her neck, which he found out later Sasha had inflicted, so her mother would be more believable.
Oldenkamp and Elana both made statements to Deputy Oostra, but Elana didnt mention any choking incident in her statement.Later Oldenkamp was charged with choking Elana and Oldenkamp was sure the deputy prompted her to make that accusation.
I thought it was so obvious that she was making the whole thing up, stated Oldenkamp.Why would I call for help if I was abusing her?But the deputy said someone had to be arrested, so I spent the night in jail.
To understand this incident you have to know about the Violence Against Women Act of 1996, said Oldenkamp.There is a little piece in it that states if an immigrant is abused by her husband or other family member, and can prove the abuse, then they become admitted for permanent residence.Elana was going to get her green card with or without me.
Elana was taken to the Family Crisis Center and two days later she was taken to Des Moines to stay with a cousin, Alex, also a Russian immigrant.
Two months later, Oldenkamp received a surprise call from Alex, who wanted to help him.
Soon after arriving in Des Moines, Elana proudly confessed how easily she had convinced everyone of the abuse, said Oldenkamp.By this time shed contacted the Iowa Coalition against sexual assault and abuse and claimed that hed sexually abused her and verbally sexually abused Sasha.Her plan was to sue me for a large monetary settlement.Plus if she could get me on the assault charges, her green card was guaranteed.
The cousin also explained that Elana was looking for a rich, lavish lifestyle in the United States, but living in Hull with Gary wasnt what she hoped for.
Fortunately for Oldenkamp, Alex was having the same problems with Elana and Sasha.They wanted to be pampered but didnt want to contribute anything to the household.
According to Oldenkamp, Alex obtained a court order to kick Elana out of her home.Now she wanted to tell the truth about Elana.
Back in Sioux County, Oldenkamp had been charged with serious sexual assault, which is a felony.
But he and his lawyer began building the case of Elanas deception.
Alex also told Oldenkamp that Elana had left her diary in Hull and he needed to find it.The diary was written in Russian, which Oldenkamp had translated and described her plans to deceive him by any means possible to find the wealthy lifestyle she was looking for.
His trial was set for May 9, 2006.County Attorney Melissa ORourke told my lawyer that she set the date so far into the future because she hoped by then Elana would be on a plane back to Russia, said Oldenkamp.We showed her the evidence and I think she knew this charge had no merit but she didnt want to back down.
Last January, Oldenkamps lawyer was offered a plea bargain from Sioux County.They would drop the charge of abuse to a simple misdemeanor, he said.But I would still be saying I was guilty of abusing her, which was a lie.Plus, Elana would still get her green card and Id have to spend six months in anger management classes.That really made me angry.
I think ORourke just wanted to look good to the voters in an election year, he added.My lawyer and I were certain we had enough evidence to win the case, so I turned down the plea bargain.I started thinking maybe the state should prosecute ORourke.
Coincidentally, Fox News was doing stories on immigrant bride scams near the time of Oldenkamps trial.He discovered a support group of men whod gone through the same problems with their Russian brides.Someone from that network gave his name to Fox News and they contacted him about covering his abuse trial.
Oldenkamp advised Fox News to contact the county about coverage.The very next day my lawyer got a call from the attorneys office saying theyd reduced the charge to interruption of a 911 call, said Oldenkamp.They just wanted to get rid of this case.
His lawyer explained that the charge was similar to a speeding ticket; Oldenkamp wouldnt have to take anger management classes and Elana would not receive her green card.He advised Oldenkamp to plead guilty to the charge.
So, two weeks ago he walked into the Sioux County courtroom and plead guilty.
It was a lie, he stated.I didnt interrupt any 911 call, but this whole incident has been about lies.It started with a lie, was perpetuated by lies and ended with me telling a lie to make it go away.
I dont feel like this county is my friend anymore.The sheriffs department didnt believe me.The Family Crisis Center wouldnt even look at evidence of the scam and the county attorneys office just played politics, said Oldenkamp.Ive lived here my whole life, I go to work at a legitimate business, pay taxes and contribute to local causes.I keep wondering why they would treat me this way.
He said Elana is still in Des Moines trying to get her green card.As far as Elana is concerned, I feel like a gullible, stupid sap.But Id never hurt anyone.I do plan to submit evidence to the authorities to keep Elana from staying in the U.S. though.
The couple was divorced earlier this year. Oldenkamp shakes his head in disbelief when telling his account.You couldnt write a soap opera this good.
By Jeanne Visser
for Sioux County Index Hull, Iowa.
2006 Sioux County Index Hull, Iowa."
The point is that do not let sites or businesses like these fool you or deceive you with the false image that they present because at the end of the day they are not going to be living with you day to day 24/7 and so this false image created by a site of "togetherness forever" with Russian or Ukrainian women can indeed be changed with time.
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