- Report: #282202
Complaint Review: VKI - VALENTINE & KEBARTAS
| VKI - VALENTINE & KEBARTAS 15 UNION STREET
LAWRENCE, Massachusetts U.S.A. |
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VKI - VALENTINE & KEBARTAS this company is not a law firm they illegally collect for dell finance read more for help LAWRENCE Massachusetts
*Consumer Comment: Debtors have rights? What if you don't owe the debt?
*UPDATE Employee: Not a legitimate company
*UPDATE Employee: VKI legitimate business
*Consumer Comment: Unfair Debt Collection Practices
*Consumer Comment: Valentine & Kabartas
*Consumer Comment: dont be angry because you have a bill and somone reminds you about it!!
*Consumer Comment: Yeah right Denis
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: VKI is an EXTREMELY professional company.
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: VKI is an EXTREMELY professional company.
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: VKI is an EXTREMELY professional company.
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: VKI is an EXTREMELY professional company.
*Consumer Comment: The original rebuttal story is too perfect
*Consumer Comment: valentine and kebartas
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first thing and most important , they are not an attorney office , despite the clever name and what the may say , second they are not litigators or pre-litigators or any form of legal collectors they are simply bottom of the barrel bill collectors
dell still owns the right to your debt and let me be clear they do not CONDONE the type of behavior you will encounter , you have rights and dell will protect them , so if you have an issue hang up on these collectors and call dell directly , be careful to closely describe what took place.
it is a documented fact that in the last 2 weeks this company has been threatened by dell themselves to clean up their act or the portfolio would be pulled from them , this would be a plus for any dell consumer so do your part to help.
now read this carefully i will describe what you are dealing with . picture an office full of ex convicts and serious drug addicts , or high school drop outs . this comprises about 95% of this company including the management staff
now for starters they will claims dell has set the meter for payments at either your balance in full or in two payments. this is a blatant lie you can pay however you want dell just wants you to pay monthly , also you do not need to make a down payment to make smaller payments . in fact there is even a settlement option starting at 85% of the debt and easily going lower.
now do you really want to give your checking info or credit card info or even worse your families info to this company and its employees??? you do not so call dell and advise them you cannot deal with a company like vki but you want to pay they will more likely than not help you.
also know this if these people harass or insult you you have many options the first and probably the most powerful, call dell and complain call them directly don't call vki the will tell you what you want to hear and then disregard your complaint
2nd you can call the better business bureau , also powerful
3rd call the attorney general in your state and in the state where vki resides in this case Massachusetts, ask for the consumer protection department
now for their threats let me cool your nerves for you , 1st you have committed no crime there is no legal action that can be taken , 2nd the sheriff is not coming its a threat from the old ages (this company is still prehistoric) even if dell decided to sue you they would handle it themselves and there would be no sheriff involved.
3rd they cannot attach you property ruin your credit call your work or garnish your wages all threats . all they can do is call ask for payment and then harass you to death if you don't do as they ask. again this brings me back to your resources COMPLAIN it will work , in fact vki historically pays out to consumers to avoid actual legal complaints
about me , i have been in collections for 13 years , I've worked for 6 different companies on many different levels , I've trained collectors I've taught compliance I've managed and I've collected. i must say in the short time i was at this company i was completely taken by the behavior of the dell collectors (its important to say not all of them) and the management is even worse .
the bottom line is you have rights that they will violate . and I've now educated you as to how to handle this and how to stop this . also be aware that as the federal and state collection law is written harassment is anything that makes you the consumer feel threatened or harassed.
be aware also this company does record their calls and the so brazenly brag about how the edit the calls.
you as he consumers have rights and the ability to stop this form of harassment against you and others
Vki is a fraud
lawrence, Massachusetts
U.S.A.
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Debtors have rights? What if you don't owe the debt?
AUTHOR: dragon - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Wednesday, November 21, 2012
To quote you further:
"I have the right to call you at home (the # dell, chase, ADT, US Cellular, Uhaul or any other company we collect for has on their file) You gave that # along with a cell, work or significant other's # when you SIGNED a contract. Think we won't call. We will. If you don't answer we call other #'s. If you refuse to answer, hang up on us or lie to us about not being the person we are calling for and trust me WE KNOW you do it. We will call family, neighbors and bosses until we are told 1) this is not a @ to reach them at 2) do not call this # again or 3) it is a non working #."
Clearly your "college education" didn't bolster your intelligence. You cannot legally call a consumer's boss or neighbor if you know it is not the number of the consumer that you are trying to reach. Of course you can say you don't know its their number until they tell you to stop calling, BUT THAT IS HARASSMENT. And you just admitted to doing so above. You don't know the law. Additionally your attitude toward the consumers who may owe debts is clearly callous at best. Do you really think your attitude is professional?
Furthermore, assuming that anyone who owes a debt is a "douche" or a deadbeat is ridiculous. In this day and age there are so many consumers being ripped off by the likes of AT&T, Verizon, ADT and other large companies that offer little recourse to a consumer that is trying to pay a bill or fix an issue with billing. I personally have gone to the FCC and filed suit with attorneys over bills that were rather small in amount, but were not my responsibility to pay because I did not receive the services in that Contract you so love to reference. A contract works both ways. If the services are not rendered than the consumer should not have to pay the bill. Where is the service standing up for the consumer? The BBB? The Attorney General. What a joke.
Come down off your high horse and get a grip. Your cavalier attitude is pathetic and it is rather evident that you feel you are well above anyone who might fall victim to a bottom feeder like VKI. Are you even aware that there are companies that buy lists of consumer names and submit them to bill collectors to for debts that were never incurred? You are rather naive and arrogant - a bad combination!
#2 UPDATE Employee
Not a legitimate company
AUTHOR: Anon - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Wednesday, September 26, 2012
#3 UPDATE Employee
VKI legitimate business
AUTHOR: B0jangles - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Wednesday, April 18, 2012
I have the right to call you at home (the # dell, chase, ADT, US Cellular, Uhaul or any other company we collect for has on their file) You gave that # along with a cell, work or significant other's # when you SIGNED a contract. Think we won't call. We will. If you don't answer we call other #'s. If you refuse to answer, hang up on us or lie to us about not being the person we are calling for and trust me WE KNOW you do it. We will call family, neighbors and bosses until we are told 1) this is not a @ to reach them at 2) do not call this # again or 3) it is a non working #.
This is the law, we follow it. It isn't concidered harassing. What I think is a shame is that you would think it is harassing that someone would want to collect on money or property you used. How can you people use 4 thousand dollars worth and think that you don't have to pay. And threatening us with lawyers doesn't work b/c we want that lawyers # b/c chances are when you threaten it is just that a threat. You don't have a lawyer. What lawyer will take someone who refuses to pay their debts.
Yes, there are a few ppl who are really bad on the phone. I can give names but won't. They are the absolute few not the rule.
I personally, am the nicest person on the phone. Polite and respectful, I don't collect too much money, just enough to not get fired. I ain't getting rich on this job. I barely make ends meet b/c ppl don't want to pay their bills. Losers. I would much prefer to drive to their house with a lawyer and tell then we lied, debtors prison is real and I am there to tell them they have one last chance to pay before they get hauled away. Unfortunately debtors prison was banned in the mid 1800's in this country and in 1970's in other countries.
It's too bad b/c maybe people would be more responsible and PAY THEIR DEBTS. You used the money, now pay it back, douche.
And as a final note, I am college educated but was laid off due to downsizing. I don't want to have to work as a colector but it is the only job I can find right now. Florida is dying. I am not the only person who is college educated that works for VKI. There are people who I wonder why they work there b/c they are so intelligent and could get another job but to them the money is good, they get good bonuses. They have also been there 5+ years. We HAD ONE convict, he didn't last long and now there is no one in the office, that I know of that has done prison time. This office has some of the best and brightest people working there. It is the debtors who are stupid. Really? you don't want to pay a debt that is obviously yours and you know it is yours. You argue and fight and threaten me. You yell at me and cuss b/c you are not smart enough to use better words. Really? Go somewhere private and do something very difficult.
#4 Consumer Comment
Unfair Debt Collection Practices
AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Monday, November 21, 2011
My telephone rings from VKI at least 6 times a day about a disputed debt. Sometimes as much as 9 times. I filed a complaint with the FTC.
Valentine & Kabartas is probably the most unprofessional company I have ever had the misfortune of dealing with. The Original report is accurate in its description and quite conservative in its description. Let me tell you about some of the behavior they engage in:
1. Profanity while on the call
2. Threats of legal action
3. Use of devices that don't allow you to disconnect your call from them
4. Disregard for legal requests to cease calling
5. Third party disclosure
6. Probably posed as "happy customers" on this Rip Off report to make themselves look better, that is the kind of operation they run.
And much more. I am glad if they cleaned up their act but my experience was horrible. If I were ever to be contacted by them again, I would immediately turn over the matter to my attorney.
The advice from the Original Report is great advice and what I would recommend anyone who is contacted by this company follow. They are not professional and they are not compliant with the law.
Do a search and you will see that they have multiple lawsuits pending in state and federal courts. Your best bet is to simply ignore them and refer the matter to an attorney for proper legal advice and possible financial sanctions against them. Yes, you can sue them for violating FDCA along with other laws regarding telephone harrassment. If you must contact them, journal everything you discuss in your own handwriting. A journal will hold up in court.
#6 Consumer Comment
dont be angry because you have a bill and somone reminds you about it!!
AUTHOR: 4allthehaters - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Monday, November 17, 2008
I had a woman from V & K tell me that I would be 1) sued, and 2) my laptop repossessed by skip tracers and they were coming to my house. By the way, the laptop is 5 years old and falling apart.
She was quite nasty to me and I hung up on her a couple of times. I didn't hear from her after a while. Maybe it was because I had my cell phone disconnected.
Man, if I knew then what I know now about collection agencies, I would have sued THEM.
#8 UPDATE EX-employee responds
VKI is an EXTREMELY professional company.
AUTHOR: Denis - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, July 31, 2008
He would not and DOES not condone any type of unfair or deceptive practices from anyone within his company and I have personally known him to terminate employees for even the slightest infraction of the fair Debt Collection Practices Act 95-109.
It is my opinion that the author of the initial Rip Off report on VKI is not only disgruntled, but if he has actually been in the industry for over 13 years as he claims, then he should have known to bring any infraction to management AT THE VERY LEAST. It sounds to me like the author of the Rip Off report may be very culpable of his allegations, in layman's terms, he himself was terminated for the very violations he is accusing VKI of. And I find it even more odd that he didn't have the courage to put his name on the complaint.
#9 UPDATE EX-employee responds
VKI is an EXTREMELY professional company.
AUTHOR: Denis - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, July 31, 2008
He would not and DOES not condone any type of unfair or deceptive practices from anyone within his company and I have personally known him to terminate employees for even the slightest infraction of the fair Debt Collection Practices Act 95-109.
It is my opinion that the author of the initial Rip Off report on VKI is not only disgruntled, but if he has actually been in the industry for over 13 years as he claims, then he should have known to bring any infraction to management AT THE VERY LEAST. It sounds to me like the author of the Rip Off report may be very culpable of his allegations, in layman's terms, he himself was terminated for the very violations he is accusing VKI of. And I find it even more odd that he didn't have the courage to put his name on the complaint.
#10 UPDATE EX-employee responds
VKI is an EXTREMELY professional company.
AUTHOR: Denis - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, July 31, 2008
He would not and DOES not condone any type of unfair or deceptive practices from anyone within his company and I have personally known him to terminate employees for even the slightest infraction of the fair Debt Collection Practices Act 95-109.
It is my opinion that the author of the initial Rip Off report on VKI is not only disgruntled, but if he has actually been in the industry for over 13 years as he claims, then he should have known to bring any infraction to management AT THE VERY LEAST. It sounds to me like the author of the Rip Off report may be very culpable of his allegations, in layman's terms, he himself was terminated for the very violations he is accusing VKI of. And I find it even more odd that he didn't have the courage to put his name on the complaint.
#11 UPDATE EX-employee responds
VKI is an EXTREMELY professional company.
AUTHOR: Denis - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, July 31, 2008
He would not and DOES not condone any type of unfair or deceptive practices from anyone within his company and I have personally known him to terminate employees for even the slightest infraction of the fair Debt Collection Practices Act 95-109.
It is my opinion that the author of the initial Rip Off report on VKI is not only disgruntled, but if he has actually been in the industry for over 13 years as he claims, then he should have known to bring any infraction to management AT THE VERY LEAST. It sounds to me like the author of the Rip Off report may be very culpable of his allegations, in layman's terms, he himself was terminated for the very violations he is accusing VKI of. And I find it even more odd that he didn't have the courage to put his name on the complaint.
#12 Consumer Comment
The original rebuttal story is too perfect
AUTHOR: Wompkeebudee - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Monday, December 03, 2007
Thanks
#13 Consumer Comment
valentine and kebartas
AUTHOR: Mr . Hudson - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Sunday, November 04, 2007
Confused, i call my daughter and asked if everything was ok, and to find out if they were still making payments on the laptops. My daughter assured me that they were....and i didnt think anything about it ....about a month went by,and i returned a call to dell to order the computer. I was transfered but this time to a very well spoken women who said she could assist me and redirected my call. A man answered and said "Valentine and Kebartas may i help you?" i said "yes, is this dell financial services?" The man said "no", and said my account may be resting in the office. He asked my name, and asked me to verify my billing address and last four of my social security number. I didnt understand so i asked him how could this happen? He informed me that i was in collections and there hasnt been a payment in nearly 8 months. I didnt know what to do because i owed them the money, I ordered the laptops.
The bill was over 3000 dollars. I started to cry and the man asked me if i was ok? and if i needed time to calm down and relax and offered his number with direct extension so i could call back. I ask what are my options to resolve this, he stated that we would need to establish an arrangement to pay off the balance that was owed. I expressed to him, all i wanted to do was buy another computer, I asked if he had a number that would connect me to dell, with haste he provided a number to call. When i spoke with dell they told me that the balance was owed and before i could purchase anything else i would need to clear up my account. Dell told me that i could make payment to Valentine and Kebartas and that they were in possession of my account. I asked what did i owe? Dell told me i owed more the the collection agency said i owed.
I called back to the collector i had spoken with the previous day and told him i would like to pay my account off. He said sure, asked if i was feeling any better, at this point i felt the concern he had for me. He then told me of my options and that all the information he asked me would be used solely for the collection and for that purpose only. I told him that dell said i owed a different amount and he told me that he had discounted the price and asked if dell said i owed more ? i told him "yes" and he told me he discounted the price.( without me asking ) Dell said i owed 700 dollars more than what they charged me. The gentleman told me the safest way to purchase a computer free of interest and late fees is to purchase out right at once. I must say my experience with Valentine and Kebartas was as pleasant as could be.

