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  • Submitted: Thu, February 03, 2005
  • Updated: Mon, June 01, 2009

  • Reported By:tyler Texas
Wallmart
troup Hwy Tyler, Texas U.S.A.

Wallmart Loss Prevention My boyfriend is facing 2-10 yrs in prison for false reports made by loss prevention Tyler Texas

*UPDATE Employee: LP Policies vary

*Consumer Comment: Seriously

*Consumer Suggestion: Candid Computer?

*Consumer Comment: C-Ron is a thief, let him go where thieves belong

*Consumer Comment: Kate.,

*Consumer Comment: Kate.,

*Consumer Comment: Kate.,

*Consumer Comment: Kate.,

*Consumer Suggestion: I agree, Cheryl

*UPDATE Employee: Name caling

*UPDATE Employee: Name caling

*UPDATE Employee: Name caling

*Consumer Comment: DERP!

*UPDATE Employee: Give me a break

*Consumer Comment: C-Ron is NOT "white trash"

*UPDATE Employee: We dont have Loss provention on o/n

*Consumer Comment: C-ron sounds like typical white trash

*Consumer Comment: Cruelty from others!!

*Consumer Comment: C-ron act stupid...

*Consumer Suggestion: Bad idea, Mike.......

*Consumer Comment: Jennifer

*Consumer Comment: Quote:" Opening a DVD in the restroom"? Uh ..sure....

*Consumer Comment: Quote:" Opening a DVD in the restroom"? Uh ..sure....

*Consumer Comment: Quote:" Opening a DVD in the restroom"? Uh ..sure....

*Consumer Comment: Quote:" Opening a DVD in the restroom"? Uh ..sure....

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Wal-Mart Loss Prevention

*Consumer Comment: Not Romeo and Juliet - More Like Ike and Tina

*Consumer Comment: Not Romeo and Juliet - More Like Ike and Tina

*Consumer Comment: Not Romeo and Juliet - More Like Ike and Tina

*Consumer Comment: Not Romeo and Juliet - More Like Ike and Tina

*Consumer Comment: What's the Problem?

*Consumer Comment: You are kidding, right?

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Free C-Ron! Did C-Ron already have a theft rap

*Consumer Comment: The handcuff incident That is NOT how Loss Prevention Agents are supposed to act

*Consumer Comment: Stand By Your Man

*Consumer Comment: walmart arrest

*Consumer Suggestion: I'm am not a lawyer, but I am an ex-cop and worked as a paralegal, so this is only my OPINION.

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Ok, my boyfriend was caught stealing at walmart on january 18th 05. he was followed into the bathroom where he was opening a dvd. he knew he was caught but he also knew that he would be charged with criminal tresspassing because he is not allowed on wallmart property. He sounds like an awful person but really he has so much shit on his background that when he finally decided to straighten up, he couldnt find a job or get much help. After coming out of the bathroom, the LP was standing outside the door and asked c-ron (my boyfriend) to follow him. When ever he saw the opportunity to get out of going to jail, He made a stupid decision to run from loss prevention but soon stoped because he knew he wasnt going to get anywhere. He then did what they asked until the police got there because he knew that going to jail for a couple weeks would have all his traffic tickets cleared and he would have a clean slate. . . . well, he was then notified that he was being charged with criminal tresspassing and robbery(which is a felony) because loss prevention claimed he tried to "swing" at him when attempting to run. My boyfriend swears up and down that there is no way in hell he tried to swing at him and the tapes should prove it. I have been wondering as well as c-ron how to find out any information about the security camera records or anything because his lawyer will not tell anything and he couldnt come and have a meeting with c-ron because he was sick last weekend. So, he's still sitting in jail with a 75,000 dollar bond and his traffic tickets will be cleared on the 5th of feb. so we were originally hoping we would know something but his lawyer hasnt done shit. Does wallmart usually have all the surveillance videos from inside the store? And is LP allowed to hand cuff him before the police arrive? I've heard so much diferent stuff I dont know what to believe!

Kate
Tyler, Texas
U.S.A.

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#1 UPDATE Employee

LP Policies vary

AUTHOR: J Mcknight - (U.S.A.)

I have worked for several retailers and now work for walmart. All retailers I have worked at have allowed the use of handcuffs with the proper training but only if the suspected shoplifter resists by running or fighting. One rebuttal was also correct that Walmart LP is NOT supposed to make stops on persons whom have eentered the restrooms or the fitting rooms. Unless of course they are taking something that is still visible when they exit such as a purse or shoes ect...
But also remember most thiefs lie so most likely you are not getting the full story.
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#2 Consumer Comment

Seriously

AUTHOR: Nukednative - (U.S.A.)

The prisons are full of "innocent" people.. I'm sure he was innocent with all his other arrests/convictions.. I believe not only taking a deeper look into those you associate yourself with, but also to the amount of bull**** you allow yourself to believe may make things better in the long run..
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#3 Consumer Suggestion

Candid Computer?

AUTHOR: Laura - (U.S.A.)

What? Where is it? Is this the computer version of Candid Camera? Boy, You really got me on that one. For a minute there I thought that some criminal's chick was upset because her boyfriend c-ron was going to the big house for stealing and she couldn't figure out the sheer mechanics of it. C-Ron how does that name work? What does the "C" stand for? Criminal Ron? Whew, she sure is swimming around the shallow end of the gene pool.
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#4 Consumer Comment

C-Ron is a thief, let him go where thieves belong

AUTHOR: Marc - (U.S.A.)

Kate, You aren't "romantic," you're a loozer. This is your chance to escape the life, and you're passing it up. If you stick with this clown, be prepared to spend your Sundays standing in the sun, waiting to see ol C-Ron on visiting day. Hopefully you haven't had kids with him or you're just raising future convicts that will "have to" steal also. Anyone that considers a couple of weeks in jail as simply "clearing his traffic tickets" isn't long for this world. Some citizen is going to fing him in their garage some dark night and eliminate him from the gene pool.
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#5 Consumer Comment

Kate.,

AUTHOR: D - (U.S.A.)

It has been almost 9 months since your original post, please inform us on what happend to c-ron. Thanks.
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#6 Consumer Comment

Kate.,

AUTHOR: D - (U.S.A.)

It has been almost 9 months since your original post, please inform us on what happend to c-ron. Thanks.
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#7 Consumer Comment

Kate.,

AUTHOR: D - (U.S.A.)

It has been almost 9 months since your original post, please inform us on what happend to c-ron. Thanks.
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Kate.,

AUTHOR: D - (U.S.A.)

It has been almost 9 months since your original post, please inform us on what happend to c-ron. Thanks.
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#9 Consumer Suggestion

I agree, Cheryl

AUTHOR: Doug - (U.S.A.)

Loss prevention must have targeted ol' C-ron because he is a minority. Just another way to keep the colored man down. Never mind the fact that he was STEALING!!!

C-ron run, C-ron go to jail, C-ron get out and do it again.

Let's C-ron go to Hunstville for the next 10 years and fall in love all over again!!!!
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#10 UPDATE Employee

Name caling

AUTHOR: Cheryl - (U.S.A.)

Yes stealing was wrong. But in all of this I am actually offended that it is being said that because of C-rons name that, that automatically makes him a minority and that even without a rap should be accused as such.
White people steal just as much as any other raise but because we are suppose to believe that Aryan is the perfect race we must blame everyone else.
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#11 UPDATE Employee

Name caling

AUTHOR: Cheryl - (U.S.A.)

Yes stealing was wrong. But in all of this I am actually offended that it is being said that because of C-rons name that, that automatically makes him a minority and that even without a rap should be accused as such.
White people steal just as much as any other raise but because we are suppose to believe that Aryan is the perfect race we must blame everyone else.
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#12 UPDATE Employee

Name caling

AUTHOR: Cheryl - (U.S.A.)

Yes stealing was wrong. But in all of this I am actually offended that it is being said that because of C-rons name that, that automatically makes him a minority and that even without a rap should be accused as such.
White people steal just as much as any other raise but because we are suppose to believe that Aryan is the perfect race we must blame everyone else.
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#13 Consumer Comment

DERP!

AUTHOR: Ryan - (U.S.A.)

C-ron, is this for real? If it is, this lady and her idiot boyfriend are welcomed additions to sucking the life out of our welfare system.
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#14 UPDATE Employee

Give me a break

AUTHOR: Shandra - (U.S.A.)

Who cares what your boyfriend C-ron is facing he shouldnt have been shoplifting.Hope he gets what he deserves. I do not understand how a growen woman can stand up and whine about something like this its patheditic. You get what you deserve having a boyfriend thats a loser.
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#15 Consumer Comment

C-Ron is NOT "white trash"

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

He's not even white, Stephen. No white person calls himself "C-Ron". C-Ron belongs to a portion of society that is responsible for 80% of the crime while making up only 6% of the population. Figure it out.
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#16 UPDATE Employee

We dont have Loss provention on o/n

AUTHOR: Dave - (U.S.A.)

The store i work at doesnt have any type of loss provention in the store on overnights. They have them during day shift, and evening shift, but no over nights. Ive worked in pets and have found open cd cases, toy cases, food containers, and whatnot and no one stops the theives of the night. talk about messed up. Your boyfriend went into the restroom w a dvd? How could that happen with so many associates, customers, management and whatnot walking the store. I go around on lunch and check out cds, movies, toys, and whatnot, and no one stops me, or watches anyone through the pegboard.
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#17 Consumer Comment

C-ron sounds like typical white trash

AUTHOR: Stephen D - (U.S.A.)

he's a thief and he will go no where in life, Kate you should run away as fast as you can! attach your trailer to the pickup and drive away!
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#18 Consumer Comment

Cruelty from others!!

AUTHOR: Melody - (U.S.A.)

Kate, I truely feel for you due too some of the responses you had gotten on here. Its a shame that people are the way they are. You did get a few on here that may be helpful to you though. I do want to say, you might want to get a better lawyer and if you cant afford one for your man, do what ever you can to look up the laws for his situation. Someone suggested that you have his lawyer get those tapes in court. That is a good idea. I do wish you luck and hope all turns out well for you and C-Ron.
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#19 Consumer Comment

C-ron act stupid...

AUTHOR: Carl - (U.S.A.)

C-ron act stupid...c-ron get arrested...c-ron's girlfriend stick by a loser...c-ron get put away.
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#20 Consumer Suggestion

Bad idea, Mike.......

AUTHOR: Adolph - (U.S.A.)

(Obviously a sarcastic) Comedic statement:"I think WalMart should pay you $1,000,000 for tarnishing C-Ron's obvious upstanding reputation."
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Tragically, with the outlook Kate has on the whole dilemma, she's likely to fail to realize the comedic vein in which your statement was made. Now in her mind she'll have an additionnal issue to resolve.
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Dumb as a box of r....awwwww......never mind.
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#21 Consumer Comment

Jennifer

AUTHOR: Cory - (U.S.A.)

I think the "opening a dvd", to remove from it's case in the restroom takes care of the theft(stealing)element, along with the criminal tresspass.
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#22 Consumer Comment

Quote:" Opening a DVD in the restroom"? Uh ..sure....

AUTHOR: Adolph - (U.S.A.)

Quote:"he was followed into the bathroom where he was opening a dvd."
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Sounds perfectly normal to me.....FOR A DAMN THIEF! Even as the story is told, a dumb enough thief to return to a store from which he'd already been banned. Not exactly the sharpest pencil in the box.
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Bathroom? Don't try to take a 'bath' in a 'restroom'.
**shaking head in wonder** ....Southerners-ya gotta' love 'em.
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#23 Consumer Comment

Quote:" Opening a DVD in the restroom"? Uh ..sure....

AUTHOR: Adolph - (U.S.A.)

Quote:"he was followed into the bathroom where he was opening a dvd."
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Sounds perfectly normal to me.....FOR A DAMN THIEF! Even as the story is told, a dumb enough thief to return to a store from which he'd already been banned. Not exactly the sharpest pencil in the box.
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Bathroom? Don't try to take a 'bath' in a 'restroom'.
**shaking head in wonder** ....Southerners-ya gotta' love 'em.
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#24 Consumer Comment

Quote:" Opening a DVD in the restroom"? Uh ..sure....

AUTHOR: Adolph - (U.S.A.)

Quote:"he was followed into the bathroom where he was opening a dvd."
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Sounds perfectly normal to me.....FOR A DAMN THIEF! Even as the story is told, a dumb enough thief to return to a store from which he'd already been banned. Not exactly the sharpest pencil in the box.
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Bathroom? Don't try to take a 'bath' in a 'restroom'.
**shaking head in wonder** ....Southerners-ya gotta' love 'em.
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#25 Consumer Comment

Quote:" Opening a DVD in the restroom"? Uh ..sure....

AUTHOR: Adolph - (U.S.A.)

Quote:"he was followed into the bathroom where he was opening a dvd."
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Sounds perfectly normal to me.....FOR A DAMN THIEF! Even as the story is told, a dumb enough thief to return to a store from which he'd already been banned. Not exactly the sharpest pencil in the box.
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Bathroom? Don't try to take a 'bath' in a 'restroom'.
**shaking head in wonder** ....Southerners-ya gotta' love 'em.
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#26 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Wal-Mart Loss Prevention

AUTHOR: Jennifer - (U.S.A.)

I used to work for Wal-Mart Loss Prevention in the State of Texas and I know that first, they are not supposed to make what is called a "restroom stop". Meaning, once a subject enters the restroom, you can not make the stop, because you have lost one of your elements. Second, they are supposed to let the subject pass all points of sale, another element in making stops. They are probably using the fact that your boyfriend was criminally trespassed once before but they shouldn't have been able to accuse him of stealing, because they lacked elements. Also, just a suggestion, maybe you should find another attorney.
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#27 Consumer Comment

Not Romeo and Juliet - More Like Ike and Tina

AUTHOR: Teressa - (U.S.A.)

Hardly. Forgive my cynical nature, the mother who stayed with a man who beat and cheated on her for years, and the millions of others who have been affected by such relationships - but -

These are the kind of people (the letter writer) whom, five years down the road, still insist that thier boyfriend/husband didn't REALLY mean to give them a black eye, and he's really so sweet when he's a good mood and she's almost got those walls of distrust broken down. And he REALLY is a good guy, if even he cheats/hits/ steals...

There are warning signs.

And then there are the people who ignore them and wind up very, very hurt.
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#28 Consumer Comment

Not Romeo and Juliet - More Like Ike and Tina

AUTHOR: Teressa - (U.S.A.)

Hardly. Forgive my cynical nature, the mother who stayed with a man who beat and cheated on her for years, and the millions of others who have been affected by such relationships - but -

These are the kind of people (the letter writer) whom, five years down the road, still insist that thier boyfriend/husband didn't REALLY mean to give them a black eye, and he's really so sweet when he's a good mood and she's almost got those walls of distrust broken down. And he REALLY is a good guy, if even he cheats/hits/ steals...

There are warning signs.

And then there are the people who ignore them and wind up very, very hurt.
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#29 Consumer Comment

Not Romeo and Juliet - More Like Ike and Tina

AUTHOR: Teressa - (U.S.A.)

Hardly. Forgive my cynical nature, the mother who stayed with a man who beat and cheated on her for years, and the millions of others who have been affected by such relationships - but -

These are the kind of people (the letter writer) whom, five years down the road, still insist that thier boyfriend/husband didn't REALLY mean to give them a black eye, and he's really so sweet when he's a good mood and she's almost got those walls of distrust broken down. And he REALLY is a good guy, if even he cheats/hits/ steals...

There are warning signs.

And then there are the people who ignore them and wind up very, very hurt.
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#30 Consumer Comment

Not Romeo and Juliet - More Like Ike and Tina

AUTHOR: Teressa - (U.S.A.)

Hardly. Forgive my cynical nature, the mother who stayed with a man who beat and cheated on her for years, and the millions of others who have been affected by such relationships - but -

These are the kind of people (the letter writer) whom, five years down the road, still insist that thier boyfriend/husband didn't REALLY mean to give them a black eye, and he's really so sweet when he's a good mood and she's almost got those walls of distrust broken down. And he REALLY is a good guy, if even he cheats/hits/ steals...

There are warning signs.

And then there are the people who ignore them and wind up very, very hurt.
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#31 Consumer Comment

What's the Problem?

AUTHOR: Gregg - (U.S.A.)

It seems like the system is working.

I don't shop at Wal-mart and I would not lower myself to stealing from them.
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#32 Consumer Comment

You are kidding, right?

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

You're boyfriend stole & now you have the nerve to complain to the store about it? Give me a break.
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#33 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Free C-Ron! Did C-Ron already have a theft rap

AUTHOR: Mike - (U.S.A.)

Did C-Ron already have a theft rap? He knew that he was not allowed on WalMart property already, why was that? He seems to be pretty familiar with the criminal justice system.

Sounds like C-Ron is a B-Loser (big).

Maybe, to further make some good life choices, Kate could get a cash advance on all her credit cards to bail out C-Ron.

The store can use any resonable means to detain a shoplifter. Being that your boy C-Ron had already tried to bounce once, the handcuffs were completely legit.

As far as C-Ron promising he did'nt hit the LP guy. C-Ron the thug got caught stealin, for which he knew he'd get into extra trouble for cuz of his rap sheet, so he ran to keep out of prison. I can totally see how C-Ron is not the type of person who would swing at a LP officer.
I think WalMart should pay you $1,000,000 for tarnishing C-Ron's obvious upstanding reputation.
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#34 Consumer Comment

The handcuff incident That is NOT how Loss Prevention Agents are supposed to act

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

I have once done Loss Prevention for a year back in 2001 - 2002. I never ONCE mistreated someone that I was arresting like what happened to your boyfriend. That is NOT how Loss Prevention Agents are supposed to act. I always treated them with the utmost respect and you know what, they always gave it right back to me because they knew they were caught, wrong, and busted, and I was treating them with dignity.

I never got into that cowboy bullcrap of slamming a shoplifter up against walls and being rough with them.

One night a few years ago I was in Wal-Mart, and I was about to check out, and all of a sudden out of the clear blue I see two people running and they both basically tackle and bodyslam this person that had stolen something, THERE IS NO CALL FOR THIS, unless they are wanting to fight you and resist arrest, then you should not be rough with them.

Also, yes companies, bars, etc.. are allowed to use handcuffs to make an arrest, this is to protect themselves and everyone else in case something happens.

The handcuffs actually protected me a couple of times before because there were a few times I made an arrest and the person was just way way out of control. I did this for Tower Records, it was a kewl job.

I hope and pray everything works out for you and your boyfriend KATE... BTW what the hell is up with the $75,000 bond, never once of any shoplifter had I arrested, EVEN with a prior record was a bond that steep and high. Something is up with that.


Night KATE to you and your boyfriend...

Later,
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#35 Consumer Comment

Stand By Your Man

AUTHOR: Russ - (U.S.A.)

I think the main story here is not who is right or wrong in regards to this Walmart issue. What we've witnessing folks, is a touching ,modern day ,Romeo and Juliet story that should go down as one of the greatest romance's of all time . C-ron decided to be a criminal and commit an illegal act,(theft).

It was his choice.Kate still proclaimes her true love for her main homie in spite of himself. C-ron may not be perfect and has done some bad things,but he's still the apple of Kate's eye.Hey,so who is perfect? Kate could probably have any upstanding law abiding fella with just the wink of her eye,but she has decided to give her life's devotion to C-ron.

Thru thick and thin,in sickness and in health,thru court rooms and jail cell's,C-ron is still the one. Her one and only. Folks,love, truly is a many splendid thing.Here is living proof. Sigh!
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#36 Consumer Comment

walmart arrest

AUTHOR: Heidi - (U.S.A.)

Walmart should have a video of the incident. The lawyer representing the accused doesn't appear to be in your best interest. You can subpeona the tape before the trial.

Walmart security will have witnesses on their behalf. You can request shoppers to assist you. There is almost always people who are in the area to witness these events. It will take some work from you.

Solicit customers by standing outside the door using signage requesting help. Or, take out a personal classified ad.Purchase a police report and find a legal aid service if needed. The accused will have a big challenge due to his background history.

There is no clean slate. Just time served. Look into the laws for shop lifting in your state. Some states don't consider it a theft until the accused has gone past the last available register and exits the door without paying.

Going into a public restroom only arouses interest for an overzealous security person wanting to justify their job. Although the accused has implied by his actions that a theft was imminent, it does not prove intent.

Especially if the accused had enough funds in possession to cover the item in question.
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#37 Consumer Suggestion

I'm am not a lawyer, but I am an ex-cop and worked as a paralegal, so this is only my OPINION.

AUTHOR: Shawn - (U.S.A.)

Yes, they are allowed to handcuff him. Since your boyfriend committed trespass and theft, and because it was committed in the presence of the LP officer, the LP officer is allowed to make a private persons arrest on behalf of Walmart.

The robbery charge sounded fishy to me at first. But after looking at the definition, it might be the correct charge. In Texas, "A person commits robbery if, during a theft, he or she intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly causes bodily injury to another person, threatens a person, or places another person in fear of immediate injury or death."

Using this definition, it seems that the LP officer could state that he felt threatened by your boyfriend, and therefore robbery would be the appropriate charge.

If robbery is not charged, they might charge him with burlgary. In some states, shoplifting can be prosecuted as burglary. It seems Texas is one of those states. "Burglary is entering into a building, portion of a building, or habitation with the intent to commit theft or a felony there."

http://www.weblocator.com/attorney/tx/law/c13.html#txc131000

If the prosecutor can prove that your boyfriend entered the store with the intent to steal, then the burglary charge could stick. For example, if he was arrested and a subsequent search revealed that he did not have the means to pay for the item, it can be concluded that he had the intent when he entered the store to commit theft, and therefore could be charged with buglary.

If your boyfriend took a swing at the LP officer, why wasn't he charged with assault or attempted battery? Just a thought.

As far as the video tape goes, you could probably get the video if C-ron's attorney subpoenaed for it. It probably will not help him get out of jail before trial. I'm sure the police officers reviewed the tape the night he was arrested. If there was insufficient evidence on the tape, I do not think the officers would file robbery charges and would have opted for a lesser charge. But on the other hand, they could charge him with the most serious crime, knowing that your boyfriend might plead to a lesser charge later. It depends on what their policy is.

Just a bit of personal advice. Evidently, C-Ron is a grown man and as such, he is responsible for his actions. Don't make excuses for him, because he brought all of this on himself. None of this would have happened if he had not knowingly trespassed on Walmart property. I have no doubt that he entered the store knowing that he was going to steal something (why a DVD?). I don't care how hard a life he has had, that is no excuse. If you want to do right, you will. I can tell you this from personal experience, trust me. Maybe you should not invest your time on someone who has sticky fingers or impulse control problems. There are plenty of good men out there, so don't waste your time on someone who doesn't care enough about himself (or you) to stay out of trouble.
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