• Report: #30237

Complaint Review: Wayne County Friend Of The Court

Thank You

Read how Ripoff Report saves consumers millions.

  • Submitted: Tue, September 17, 2002
  • Updated: Wed, November 03, 2004

  • Reported By:Detroit MI
Wayne County Friend Of The Court
Penobscot Building Detroit, Michigan U.S.A.

Wayne County Friend of The Court ripoff screwed others too Detroit Michigan

*Consumer Suggestion: the MiDSU is stealing from our children

*Consumer Comment: Oakland county screwed me!

*Consumer Comment: I'm not the only one....

*Consumer Comment: How long will you ex's settle for that low pay job

*Consumer Suggestion: It is not the entire Michigan FOC... Just the Wayne County Office

*Consumer Comment: Wayne County FOC contributes to Absent Non Custodial Parents

*Consumer Comment: unfair, designed to punish the non-custodial parent

*Consumer Comment: Sean... YOU are the dummy - with the quick double talk

*Consumer Comment: It's not about trying to get back at anyone it's about what's right ..What If

*Consumer Comment: Ok.. Let just say it like it is....

*Consumer Comment: FOC confusion

*Consumer Comment: FOC does what it wants to!

*Consumer Suggestion: The reason your checks are screwy is simple mathmatics.

*Consumer Suggestion: The reason your checks are screwy is simple mathmatics.

*Consumer Suggestion: The reason your checks are screwy is simple mathmatics.

*Consumer Comment: I understand Completely...But..

*Consumer Comment: Thanks!!

*Consumer Comment: Brad, call YOUR ex ... maybe she understands

*Consumer Comment: Poor, poor, Sean....

*Consumer Comment: WOW...this is still crazy...

*Consumer Comment: AMEN!!! FOC can only work with what it has....

*Consumer Comment: AMEN!!! FOC can only work with what it has....

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: To all you FOC bashers

*Consumer Comment: To Sean

*Consumer Comment: No Wonder.....

*Consumer Comment: Dear, dear Sean, retarded monkey could handle things better

*Consumer Comment: To Sean of Detroit

*Consumer Comment: To Sean of Detroit

*Consumer Comment: To Sean of Detroit

*Consumer Comment: To Sean of Detroit

*Consumer Suggestion: You can always....

*Consumer Comment: Regarding Brad.....

*Consumer Comment: Lansing MISDU, they only process what Wayne county tells them to

*Consumer Comment: WOW...this is still crazy...

*Consumer Comment: You're Welcome, Brad the JERK is under a rock curled up like the snake he is

*Consumer Comment: Not Your Friend of the Court

*Consumer Comment: Support Payments

*Consumer Comment: Not FOC any more

*Author of original report: Thanks everyone

*Consumer Comment: Brad the "BRAT"

*Consumer Comment: Brad the "BRAT"

*Consumer Comment: Brad the "BRAT"

*Consumer Comment: Brad the "BRAT"

*Consumer Comment: To Brad The jerk

*Consumer Comment: Response for Brad

*Consumer Suggestion: How about this?

What's this?
What's this?
What's this?
Is this
Ripoff Report
About you?
Ripoff Report
A business' first
line of defense
on the Internet.
If your business is
willing to make a
commitment to
customer satisfaction
Click here now..

Does your business have a bad reputation?
Fix it the right way.
Corporate Advocacy Program™

SEO Reputation Management at its best!

I have had problems with the Wayne County Friend of The Court for months now. I am supposed to get $80 a week. It seems each month I am calling, faxing, e-mailing them on where my checks are. Sometimes I get $100.75 then the next week I get $33.00 - they even had the gall to send me a check once (in the middle of the month for a total of $2.20)

They tell me that if I add the checks up for the month it will come out to be $320 (which it does) but I never know when to expect a check, how much it is. How am I supposed to raise 2 children on a fixed budget this way ????

All I want is what I have coming - my ex-husband's checks are garnished each week so the money is at Friend of The Court. Who are they to decide how much I get & when I get it if it has already been ordered by a judge at $80 per week ?

Another thing - they garnish his check for $100.75 each week yet I only get $320 a month - where is the extra money going ? They tell me they send it back - BULL ! He has yet to see any mon ey back from them - Friend of The COurt - I want my money - I want my money paid to me as the judge ordered $80 a week - I don't care if it is easier for you to do 2 checks a month or what ever stupid sytem you are using - I'm not here to make it easy for you - it sure is impossible for me dealing with you.

Today is September 17th I haven't had a check for 2 weeks now (but they have his money) how am I supposed to go grocery shopping this week to feed my kids ? This is not funny any more - SOME BODY HAS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS SCREWED UP SYSTEM - we (single parents) cannot survive this way

Lori
Detroit, Michigan

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 09/17/2002 09:09 AM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Wayne-County-Friend-Of-The-Court/Detroit-Michigan/Wayne-County-Friend-of-The-Court-ripoff-screwed-others-too-Detroit-Michigan-30237. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

Ripoff Report has an exclusive license to this report. It may not be copied without the written permission of Ripoff Report.

Click Here to read other Ripoff Reports on Wayne County Friend Of The Court

Search for additional reports

If you would like to see more Rip-off Reports on this company/individual, search here:

Search Tips
Report & Rebuttal
Respond to this report!
What's this?
Also a victim?
What's this?
Repair Your Reputation!
What's this?
REBUTTALS & REPLIES:
0Author 46Consumer 0Employee/Owner
Updates & Rebuttals

#1 Consumer Suggestion

the MiDSU is stealing from our children

AUTHOR: Kay - (U.S.A.)

After a decent divorce and custody hearing, my ex-husband was ordered to pay weekly. Being that he gets paid bi-weekly, it wasn't a problem to receive childsupport bi-weekly. Now the MiDSU sees fit to change that order, without consent of a court or myself or my exhusband, to monthly. Monthly means 48 weeks of child support, there are 52 weeks in a year. My children are getting shorted 4 weeks out of the year of childsupport. This is happening state wide. Where is all the money going that isn't going to the kids?
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#2 Consumer Comment

Oakland county screwed me!

AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)

I have custody of my 13-year old daughter. Whom I took from her crack smoking mother 4 years ago. I have tried over and over again to try and not SUPPORT her drug habit. But, Oakland county thinks that she is allowed that money, even though there is no record of separation... I know that I am not supposed to be paying support.

First of all, she lied about our split up date, just to screw me. Then I usually get a warrant issued whenever she "feels" like it. I was just recently getting somewhere with them, even though they haven't updated my account in over a year. My totals are WRONG! The court admits this yet they continue to pursue the wrong action. Something needs to be done. First, they continue to charge me for current support even though the child resides in my home, now, they want me to pay $154.01 per week or $354 every pay period (I get paid twice a month). Now I went to court with a referee and we agreed on $100 a month. But yesterday evening I recieved my notice! $354 every pay period? Are you kidding? Oakland County FOC you are taking food out of my daughters mouth, including her home where she has resided for the last year and a half. I am trying to give her the life she deserves.

As a side note, my EX is somewhere (we don't quite know, she can't stay in one place for more than 2 weeks) between Grayling, MI and Saline, MI. She also has NO CONTACT with her daughter, my question is this: How can I be held responsible for someone (EX) who cannot even live as a normal human being.

I hope you all the best and have a nice day!
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#3 Consumer Comment

I'm not the only one....

AUTHOR: Leah - (U.S.A.)

I haven't posted for a few weeks nor have I read any comments after being called names by one specific person I probably don't need to name. After going in front of a judge, then a referee and severaly visits to the FOC offices I'm still struggling with trying to get things straighten out.

My ex was ordered to pay 270.00 a month support to me retro back to Jan. 1st of this year. I finally recieved a check for 43.50 today. I'm assuming that this is the charge for his 4,000.00 plus arrearage but no money for the ordered support. When i called the automated service I noticed his arrearage had dropped by 200.00 but I only recieved the 43.50. Makes me wonder where the rest of it went.

Well here I go again trying to figure out who might of entered the order wrong (again). Call me psycho if you wish but I don't think anyone would be surprised that this system wouldn't make anyone psycho. All I can do now is just hope I can get this all straightned out and try to just let this all go.

I don't even care about the money anymore. It's now worth the insanity you have to go through to get it. I'll support my kid by myself just as I have been doing all along. Good Luck everyone else. Your going to need it.
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#4 Consumer Comment

How long will you ex's settle for that low pay job

AUTHOR: Kim - (U.S.A.)

My husband has an ex from hell. She will never let us see these 2 boys. we have offered to fly them out to see us but she contnues to pollute their minds with the fear of being away from her. There was a time were my husband had to take a lesser paying job after being laid off due to work reduction. We trid to get a temporary reduction, but due to my husband "income potential" it was denied. What about the ex's income potential? She chooses to work at a convenience store, while she holds a license as a nail tech. Which my husband paid for while they were married. I know that what we are ordered to pay for support pays for all of her household bills and still leaves enough mony for her to drown her hostility for us in Black Velvet and cigarettes. Why should she try to better herself while spending every waking moment wollowing in perpetual negitivity. When will she let go and try to get out of her angry little life and get herself a real job?
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#5 Consumer Suggestion

It is not the entire Michigan FOC... Just the Wayne County Office

AUTHOR: Lisa - (U.S.A.)

The only one you can't get a person on the phone with is the Wayne County Friend of the Court office in Downtown Detroit. Oakland County, Washtenaw County or any of the other FOC offices actually have carring people who will answer the phone.

My sister in law is knee deep in this kind of mess. She has custody of my oldest brother's son. The Wayne County FOC has been taking child support out of my oldest brother and paying it to HIS EX WIFE who does not have custody! This has been going on for YEARS. The Oakland County FOC has tried numberous times to get the Wayne County office to transfer the case to Oakland County offices. Wayne County FOC will not do it.

It's coming down to the point where my sister in law is going to have to go down to the local FIA office and apply for assistance for my nephew in order to get the money that's due to him. This will also put the mother in jail for failing to report that the child was no longer in her custody and still cashing those support checks.

If that's not screwed... I don't know what is. WAYNE COUNTY Friend of the Court is SCREWED.
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#6 Consumer Comment

Wayne County FOC contributes to Absent Non Custodial Parents

AUTHOR: Renae - (U.S.A.)

My children are now 26 and 27 years old. My x was ordered in 1980 to pay 75.00 per week for both my children and to provide their medical coverage. He only recently started paying his support and is currently $67,000.00 in arrears.

Wayne County FOC and their laxed enforcement of child support payments has contributed to MANY fathers leaving the state and abandoning their children. Through the years I watched as WCFOC allowed these fathers to fall behind thousands of dollars in support payments. The arrearage became so huge that some fathers simply left the state to avoid being eventually arrested.

My two sons suffered the same neglect from WCFOC. I was a working mother who did not rely on state aid, because of this WCFOC was never as agressive in assisting me in collecting my support as they were for those on state aid. When my x came to Michigan I still allowed him to visit because it was the right of my children to know their dad. Many mothers did not feel the same way and some kids did not see their fathers for years.

Judges, when your listening to these parents explain why they cannot pay remember excuses do NOT feed these children tonight when they sit down to the dinner table!
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#7 Consumer Comment

unfair, designed to punish the non-custodial parent

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

The system is designed to punish the non-custodial parent. I haven't missed a payment in 4 years, but once a year i have a warrant issued, because of a show cause hearing, child's mother never filed for an increase, had adc for two years, but foc chareges interest and penalties. totally unfair
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#8 Consumer Comment

Sean... YOU are the dummy - with the quick double talk

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

Sean - You don't get it yet do you ? Our problems (well mine anyway) is NOT with my ex- he has his check garnished & the payments are sent in. The money IS there.

The problem is with how it is being dispersed. And I agree with A from Detroit - speaking to someone there, you get a very rude response & they make it sound like YOU are the dummy - with the quick double talk of why they can't send you your money when the money is sitting right there in your account
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#9 Consumer Comment

It's not about trying to get back at anyone it's about what's right ..What If

AUTHOR: A - (U.S.A.)

What if this was his first child. What if he had the same job for years. What if he suggested having a child in the first place. What if you've been together for 3 year before you had a child. What if this was the 1st born for the both of you.What if the custodial parent needed help. What if the help would benefit the person(s) intended the children what about THE CHILDREN Sean??? It's not about trying to get back at anyone it's about what's right. All women are not gold digger and all men are not dead beat dads. I'm sure the FOC was set up to help, when whoever is not living up to their responsibilty. What if we all just got on welfare and let the taxpayer bear the burden. Let's be real.

I took care of our daughter alone until she was 13 years old only when I exhausted all of my resouces just short of seeking government assistance did I ask for help and I asked him first.

At that time he was ordered to pay $23.00 a week, I took care of all medical and dental. Now if your payments were only $23.00 a week how did we manage to end up with over $10,000 in arearage?? FOC was setup to help oversee support for children when parents won't take responsibilty for their financial obligation in raising his/her child or children.
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#10 Consumer Comment

Ok.. Let just say it like it is....

AUTHOR: Sean - (U.S.A.)

I know I said I'm through with this topic. However, I have to say this..

Everyone is blaming the FOC.. The FOC is not doing their job... They won't make my ex pay...

How about this... How about the woman maybe choosing a different caliber of man to have a baby with... If your man had 10 different jobs, in the 2 years you were together... Why would you think that now since you had a child by this person, he would go and get a job and keep a job... Or if you knew he had 5 kids by 4 different women... and he didn't pay child support for the 5 kids... (and you know this because of the letters he got in the mail because you were staying together)...why would you think now that you have a child, he should pay. Did you talk to him when you were together and tell him that he should take care of his children and send in support when he could... Or did you just sit by and say.. Oh the woman just wants money or she just wants to hang on to him and want him back...


Don't get me wrong.. I think every man should stand up and take responsibility for the actions.. If they help make a child, then they should be willing to support that child... BUT....If you knew the type of person he was when you were with him. Why go have a child with him...

The Friend of the Court is here basically, to make people take responsibility for their actions... I think it's a shame when government has to do this.. Am I the only one who thinks this???? Maybe we need to take responsibility for our own actions.. They maybe we can look in the mirror and blame the right person...
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#11 Consumer Comment

FOC confusion

AUTHOR: A. - (U.S.A.)

I am a single parent however my daughter is now 24 years old. I always worked and didn't receive an state or goverment assistance. I can't understand how the parents receiving assistance have no problem with court orders for support being paid, and those of us that work and pay taxes can't get any help at all.
My problem is that there is several thousand dollars owed when I spoke with someone at FOC she was rude and told me that I had a problem comprehending. I merely ask if they kept records of employer of the payor. When she told me that they couldn't find any employment record for my daughter's dad, because he has not changed jobs since I received my last payment (which was September of 2003 just before they updated the payment system).If he works the same job what's to find?? Maybe my thinking is wrong, but there should be some record of his employment?? However with a little reseach I did find the information for myself (even though they found him the last time I didn't know where he worked)and gave it to them NOW I WAIT.
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#12 Consumer Comment

FOC does what it wants to!

AUTHOR: Jeannette - (U.S.A.)

It doesn't matter if you have a signed court order or not! If the clerks at the FOC office window don't feel like inputting the information into the system then it doesn't do ant good to have a court order. But yet the clerks still get a paycheck don't they?

My husband has a case in Macomb County and we just found out last year that he also has a case in Wayne County for the same child. He has always been up to date on his support and has even paid back the state of MI for the welfare money his ex collected and has had custody of his daughter for the last 18 months. We hired an attorney when we found out about the Wayne County case because they had been charging for 13 years and never once contacted my husband. As we all know no one should be able to have 2 "ACTIVE" support cases in different counties. So anyway the Judge dismissed the case in December 2003 (of course because we provided proof that everything was current in Macomb County) we sent multiple letters to FOC and take days off work to take copies of the court order down there. It doesn't do any good they are still charging support and interest and fees. So even when there is a court order the FOC clerks do what they want to do. It's not as if they care they still get a paycheck. So to those of you who want to put the FOC office on a pedastal you need to do some research on them.
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#13 Consumer Suggestion

The reason your checks are screwy is simple mathmatics.

AUTHOR: Michele - (U.S.A.)

Lori, you will not receive a 'regular' check until either your congresspeople vote to change the law, or the world calender changes to an even by tens number of weeks.

The reason your checks are screwy is simple mathmatics. There are not an even four weeks in a month. Plain and simple. 4 X 12 = 48, and as we all know, there are not 48 weeks in a year. The laws (and yes, I say the LAWS, meaning the head honchos in Lansing decided this for the whole state, not your local FOC)decided cases should be charged and enforced on a monthly basis. Almost no one gets paid on a monthly basis. So, take your weekly amount and multiply it by 4.35. This gives you your monthly amount. Since the amount taken out of your ex's pay each week and total each month does NOT, and probably never will, equal your monthly amount, you will not receive every check as it comes in. No amount of complaining will change this.

Say, for example, your order is $100.00 per week. Your ex gets paid every week. So in a given month, either $400 or $500 is going to be received,yes? Well, your order is for $435 per month. So you will get your normal $400. The last check of the month comes in, and you only get a check for $35. On paper, you can see why,right? So, there is now an additional $65 being held out of the last check because it's a computer, not a person, who is keeping track. The computer sees that you received your alloted $435 for the month and will hold the last $65 for next month. The next month charges, and now there is another $435 owing to you. Well great, says the computer, I've got $65 here. But another check comes in the same day for the normal $100. So it sends you a check for $165. Grand, but now you are ahead for the month being that it is only the first week of the month...

Since FOC just converted in the past year or so to a monthly charge, you probably noticed for the first few months your checks were pretty close to normal. But as time is going on, and 12-14 months later, all those little over-ages and under-ages at the beginning and end of the month are getting greater, and you are starting to get much larger checks in the beginning of the month and much smaller checks by the end. The goal, we've been told, is to eventually get everyone on a monthly payment. The theory is you will have the money at the beginning of the month, up front, to spend for that month. So every check that continues to come in will be held after you get your $435, to be released the following month.

Right now, everyone is in the horrible 'transition period', going from weekly checks to monthly. It will probably take some time, and I know it's not fun to budget this way (hey, I have bills too) but unfortunately there is, truly, nothing anyone can do to 'fix' it, because technically, it's not broken. This is exactly what is supposed to be happening. Sure, you don't like it, but I don't like having to pay taxes. It's a fact of life now, that's your answer.

Clearly, I do work for an FOC. Not at Wayne (from what I hear, thank goodness I don't). I am sorry no one took the time to explain it to you. But please believe me that no one is doing this to screw you for fun. As other people have said, this is mandated, and no one from any FOC any where in the state likes this anymore than you. But please please keep in mind this is now LAW, handed down from your Michigan congressmen. No amount of complaining to FOC or MiSDU is going to change it. Heck, we have less of a say in this, as an agency, than you do as a voter.

On a side note, the MiSDU IS in fact the correct place to lodge these complaints and ask questions related to payments. I know you get blown off a lot when calling them. It is a new agency, and staffed mostly by temps. They are extremely underpaid, and most of them quit pretty quickly. Would you stay in a job making $7-8 an hour dealing with this? Of course not. "But it's their job". That's the problem, no one can stand the job long enough to learn the ropes up there to really be able to say 'this is my job'. My suggestion to everyone is if you feel as if you are getting the run around when speaking to someone from MiSDU is to ask for a supervisor. They have generally been there longer and understand the extremely complicated structure of family law.

Please understand that everyone at any FOC is human. We make mistakes. It's not on purpose. And please remember that to any parent, there is nothing more important than their child. So every person who calls or writes or has an order to be entered desperately needs it done immediately, for their child's sake. We understand that. We are mothers and fathers as well(and no, Satan is not our father, contrary to popular belief). But, you can only do one thing at a time, and with so many people not doing what they are ordered to do (make timely payments in the correct amount, let the other parent see the child when they are supposed to) there are always way too many files to work on. With all the complaints about us, believe me when I say the FOC's are one the most closely watched agencies in the state. I need this job. Everyone there needs that job. No one is goofing off, or doing things wrong on purpose. We get auditted many times a year by the state to make sure everything is up to snuff. So yes, no one is screwing with your file for the fun of it. When mistakes are made, there are reprimands. I'm not going to get myself fired just so you, some person I have never met in my life, don't get a check on time. We really truly are trying as hard as we can. But unfortunaly, the demand is just too high. (So vote to raise your taxes next election so the commissioners will vote to let us have more employees, which we desperately need!)

And please remember when dealing with FOC that we are trying to help. The answers you are given to your questions are, in fact, the answers to questions. If you don't like it, there is no point in arguing about it because everything we do is based in laws and orders. The answer is the answer, end of story. We are not giving you an answer you don't like just to make your life hard. There are laws and statutes behind everything we can and cannot do.

Again, certainly, as is true in every company, mistakes are made. There are currently, in my county, about 4,000 files to every worker. So yes, that's a high ratio that mistakes can be made on. But there is so much pressure on the office to do everything NOW! Well, do you want it done fast or done right? We try to do both, but it's just not possible. Entering everything correctly takes time. Calling every day to see if your order has been entered YET does not help speed things along. So please, remember that the staff does care and is trying to help. Remember that we are dealing with devestated, hurt people all day and it's grueling and takes it's toll. We try not to be short with people, but a lot of people tend to think we are supposed to be doing things for them that are, in fact, forbidden by law for us to do(we cannot investigate abuse allegations)and think we are just being jerks and not doing our jobs. And have no beef telling us exactly that. And calling constantly about things people have already gotten an answer for that they just don't like eats into our time to help other people that we could help.

So, I know there will be a barrage of hate responses, and again, every case is different and I don't deny mistakes are being made. I don't take responsibility for every mistake made on every file in every one of the 83 counties in Michigan. But please, bare with us. Treat us like human beings and we can all get through this. Divorce and wedlock are traumatic events in themselves; it may not seem like it, but we are not here to make it worse.

Please LISTEN to what FOC tells you. They are giving you the information you are requesting. If something is suggested to you to help alleviate whatever problem you have, that is what you should do. No one likes filling out court papers or taking time off to go to a hearing, but these are legal issues, and unfortunately, that is what must be done most of the time. Yes, it's not fun, but it's what you must do to resolve your particular issue.

So Lori, I hope this helped, at least to explain your problems with payments. I know it was lengthy and off topic most of the way, but hopefully everyone out there has a slightly better understanding of 'the system'.

So please, contact us with your problem and you WILL get an answer. If you don't like the answer, there isn't much you can do about it, especially not argue your way out of it. If you are told you must motion the court, unfortunately, that is what you must do. FOC can only enforce the standing order, not change it. Only the Judge can do that, and motioning the court is the only way to get him to do it. Your complaint will be worked on, but it will take time. A lot of time. In a perfect world everyone would do what they are supposed to, and believe me, I would be perfectly happy working for the water department if that happened! But of course it's not a perfect world, and there are a lot of people who have to be constantly brought back into to court to get a payment out of. That's the way some people are. If we knew the magic words to make someone realize they are only hurting their kids by not paying, we would say them all day long. Some people just aren't going to pay, no matter what you do to them. All we can really do is punish them after the fact. It's kind of like no one can FORCE you not to go rob a bank today. You just don't because you know it's not right. Well, some payors just don't seem to care that it's not right to not help support their child. And the police can't be everywhere to stop every crime from happening, just like we can't monitor every file every week to make sure payment keeps coming in. The police, most of the time, deal more with catching people who have already committed a crime, much like us. And we don't have anywhere near the powers under the law to find people! Speaking of the police, FOC CANNOT arrest people! I can't arrest anyone any more than you can! So please do not be angry with us if your ex has not been arrested on one of our warrants. We simply issue the warrants, we don't go pick people up on them. Again, even if you called me and told me where he was this very second, I can't arrest him anymore than you can! Also, keep in mind too that it is very difficult to find someone who is trying not to be found. All that good spy technology is only in movies; in real life, there are LOADS of privacy laws that prevent government agencies from tapping into various sources of information, i.e. getting an address from a utility company...

I guess that's about it. Preachy, yes, but hopefuly some people will see a little bit of truth in some of this.
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#14 Consumer Suggestion

The reason your checks are screwy is simple mathmatics.

AUTHOR: Michele - (U.S.A.)

Lori, you will not receive a 'regular' check until either your congresspeople vote to change the law, or the world calender changes to an even by tens number of weeks.

The reason your checks are screwy is simple mathmatics. There are not an even four weeks in a month. Plain and simple. 4 X 12 = 48, and as we all know, there are not 48 weeks in a year. The laws (and yes, I say the LAWS, meaning the head honchos in Lansing decided this for the whole state, not your local FOC)decided cases should be charged and enforced on a monthly basis. Almost no one gets paid on a monthly basis. So, take your weekly amount and multiply it by 4.35. This gives you your monthly amount. Since the amount taken out of your ex's pay each week and total each month does NOT, and probably never will, equal your monthly amount, you will not receive every check as it comes in. No amount of complaining will change this.

Say, for example, your order is $100.00 per week. Your ex gets paid every week. So in a given month, either $400 or $500 is going to be received,yes? Well, your order is for $435 per month. So you will get your normal $400. The last check of the month comes in, and you only get a check for $35. On paper, you can see why,right? So, there is now an additional $65 being held out of the last check because it's a computer, not a person, who is keeping track. The computer sees that you received your alloted $435 for the month and will hold the last $65 for next month. The next month charges, and now there is another $435 owing to you. Well great, says the computer, I've got $65 here. But another check comes in the same day for the normal $100. So it sends you a check for $165. Grand, but now you are ahead for the month being that it is only the first week of the month...

Since FOC just converted in the past year or so to a monthly charge, you probably noticed for the first few months your checks were pretty close to normal. But as time is going on, and 12-14 months later, all those little over-ages and under-ages at the beginning and end of the month are getting greater, and you are starting to get much larger checks in the beginning of the month and much smaller checks by the end. The goal, we've been told, is to eventually get everyone on a monthly payment. The theory is you will have the money at the beginning of the month, up front, to spend for that month. So every check that continues to come in will be held after you get your $435, to be released the following month.

Right now, everyone is in the horrible 'transition period', going from weekly checks to monthly. It will probably take some time, and I know it's not fun to budget this way (hey, I have bills too) but unfortunately there is, truly, nothing anyone can do to 'fix' it, because technically, it's not broken. This is exactly what is supposed to be happening. Sure, you don't like it, but I don't like having to pay taxes. It's a fact of life now, that's your answer.

Clearly, I do work for an FOC. Not at Wayne (from what I hear, thank goodness I don't). I am sorry no one took the time to explain it to you. But please believe me that no one is doing this to screw you for fun. As other people have said, this is mandated, and no one from any FOC any where in the state likes this anymore than you. But please please keep in mind this is now LAW, handed down from your Michigan congressmen. No amount of complaining to FOC or MiSDU is going to change it. Heck, we have less of a say in this, as an agency, than you do as a voter.

On a side note, the MiSDU IS in fact the correct place to lodge these complaints and ask questions related to payments. I know you get blown off a lot when calling them. It is a new agency, and staffed mostly by temps. They are extremely underpaid, and most of them quit pretty quickly. Would you stay in a job making $7-8 an hour dealing with this? Of course not. "But it's their job". That's the problem, no one can stand the job long enough to learn the ropes up there to really be able to say 'this is my job'. My suggestion to everyone is if you feel as if you are getting the run around when speaking to someone from MiSDU is to ask for a supervisor. They have generally been there longer and understand the extremely complicated structure of family law.

Please understand that everyone at any FOC is human. We make mistakes. It's not on purpose. And please remember that to any parent, there is nothing more important than their child. So every person who calls or writes or has an order to be entered desperately needs it done immediately, for their child's sake. We understand that. We are mothers and fathers as well(and no, Satan is not our father, contrary to popular belief). But, you can only do one thing at a time, and with so many people not doing what they are ordered to do (make timely payments in the correct amount, let the other parent see the child when they are supposed to) there are always way too many files to work on. With all the complaints about us, believe me when I say the FOC's are one the most closely watched agencies in the state. I need this job. Everyone there needs that job. No one is goofing off, or doing things wrong on purpose. We get auditted many times a year by the state to make sure everything is up to snuff. So yes, no one is screwing with your file for the fun of it. When mistakes are made, there are reprimands. I'm not going to get myself fired just so you, some person I have never met in my life, don't get a check on time. We really truly are trying as hard as we can. But unfortunaly, the demand is just too high. (So vote to raise your taxes next election so the commissioners will vote to let us have more employees, which we desperately need!)

And please remember when dealing with FOC that we are trying to help. The answers you are given to your questions are, in fact, the answers to questions. If you don't like it, there is no point in arguing about it because everything we do is based in laws and orders. The answer is the answer, end of story. We are not giving you an answer you don't like just to make your life hard. There are laws and statutes behind everything we can and cannot do.

Again, certainly, as is true in every company, mistakes are made. There are currently, in my county, about 4,000 files to every worker. So yes, that's a high ratio that mistakes can be made on. But there is so much pressure on the office to do everything NOW! Well, do you want it done fast or done right? We try to do both, but it's just not possible. Entering everything correctly takes time. Calling every day to see if your order has been entered YET does not help speed things along. So please, remember that the staff does care and is trying to help. Remember that we are dealing with devestated, hurt people all day and it's grueling and takes it's toll. We try not to be short with people, but a lot of people tend to think we are supposed to be doing things for them that are, in fact, forbidden by law for us to do(we cannot investigate abuse allegations)and think we are just being jerks and not doing our jobs. And have no beef telling us exactly that. And calling constantly about things people have already gotten an answer for that they just don't like eats into our time to help other people that we could help.

So, I know there will be a barrage of hate responses, and again, every case is different and I don't deny mistakes are being made. I don't take responsibility for every mistake made on every file in every one of the 83 counties in Michigan. But please, bare with us. Treat us like human beings and we can all get through this. Divorce and wedlock are traumatic events in themselves; it may not seem like it, but we are not here to make it worse.

Please LISTEN to what FOC tells you. They are giving you the information you are requesting. If something is suggested to you to help alleviate whatever problem you have, that is what you should do. No one likes filling out court papers or taking time off to go to a hearing, but these are legal issues, and unfortunately, that is what must be done most of the time. Yes, it's not fun, but it's what you must do to resolve your particular issue.

So Lori, I hope this helped, at least to explain your problems with payments. I know it was lengthy and off topic most of the way, but hopefully everyone out there has a slightly better understanding of 'the system'.

So please, contact us with your problem and you WILL get an answer. If you don't like the answer, there isn't much you can do about it, especially not argue your way out of it. If you are told you must motion the court, unfortunately, that is what you must do. FOC can only enforce the standing order, not change it. Only the Judge can do that, and motioning the court is the only way to get him to do it. Your complaint will be worked on, but it will take time. A lot of time. In a perfect world everyone would do what they are supposed to, and believe me, I would be perfectly happy working for the water department if that happened! But of course it's not a perfect world, and there are a lot of people who have to be constantly brought back into to court to get a payment out of. That's the way some people are. If we knew the magic words to make someone realize they are only hurting their kids by not paying, we would say them all day long. Some people just aren't going to pay, no matter what you do to them. All we can really do is punish them after the fact. It's kind of like no one can FORCE you not to go rob a bank today. You just don't because you know it's not right. Well, some payors just don't seem to care that it's not right to not help support their child. And the police can't be everywhere to stop every crime from happening, just like we can't monitor every file every week to make sure payment keeps coming in. The police, most of the time, deal more with catching people who have already committed a crime, much like us. And we don't have anywhere near the powers under the law to find people! Speaking of the police, FOC CANNOT arrest people! I can't arrest anyone any more than you can! So please do not be angry with us if your ex has not been arrested on one of our warrants. We simply issue the warrants, we don't go pick people up on them. Again, even if you called me and told me where he was this very second, I can't arrest him anymore than you can! Also, keep in mind too that it is very difficult to find someone who is trying not to be found. All that good spy technology is only in movies; in real life, there are LOADS of privacy laws that prevent government agencies from tapping into various sources of information, i.e. getting an address from a utility company...

I guess that's about it. Preachy, yes, but hopefuly some people will see a little bit of truth in some of this.
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#15 Consumer Suggestion

The reason your checks are screwy is simple mathmatics.

AUTHOR: Michele - (U.S.A.)

Lori, you will not receive a 'regular' check until either your congresspeople vote to change the law, or the world calender changes to an even by tens number of weeks.

The reason your checks are screwy is simple mathmatics. There are not an even four weeks in a month. Plain and simple. 4 X 12 = 48, and as we all know, there are not 48 weeks in a year. The laws (and yes, I say the LAWS, meaning the head honchos in Lansing decided this for the whole state, not your local FOC)decided cases should be charged and enforced on a monthly basis. Almost no one gets paid on a monthly basis. So, take your weekly amount and multiply it by 4.35. This gives you your monthly amount. Since the amount taken out of your ex's pay each week and total each month does NOT, and probably never will, equal your monthly amount, you will not receive every check as it comes in. No amount of complaining will change this.

Say, for example, your order is $100.00 per week. Your ex gets paid every week. So in a given month, either $400 or $500 is going to be received,yes? Well, your order is for $435 per month. So you will get your normal $400. The last check of the month comes in, and you only get a check for $35. On paper, you can see why,right? So, there is now an additional $65 being held out of the last check because it's a computer, not a person, who is keeping track. The computer sees that you received your alloted $435 for the month and will hold the last $65 for next month. The next month charges, and now there is another $435 owing to you. Well great, says the computer, I've got $65 here. But another check comes in the same day for the normal $100. So it sends you a check for $165. Grand, but now you are ahead for the month being that it is only the first week of the month...

Since FOC just converted in the past year or so to a monthly charge, you probably noticed for the first few months your checks were pretty close to normal. But as time is going on, and 12-14 months later, all those little over-ages and under-ages at the beginning and end of the month are getting greater, and you are starting to get much larger checks in the beginning of the month and much smaller checks by the end. The goal, we've been told, is to eventually get everyone on a monthly payment. The theory is you will have the money at the beginning of the month, up front, to spend for that month. So every check that continues to come in will be held after you get your $435, to be released the following month.

Right now, everyone is in the horrible 'transition period', going from weekly checks to monthly. It will probably take some time, and I know it's not fun to budget this way (hey, I have bills too) but unfortunately there is, truly, nothing anyone can do to 'fix' it, because technically, it's not broken. This is exactly what is supposed to be happening. Sure, you don't like it, but I don't like having to pay taxes. It's a fact of life now, that's your answer.

Clearly, I do work for an FOC. Not at Wayne (from what I hear, thank goodness I don't). I am sorry no one took the time to explain it to you. But please believe me that no one is doing this to screw you for fun. As other people have said, this is mandated, and no one from any FOC any where in the state likes this anymore than you. But please please keep in mind this is now LAW, handed down from your Michigan congressmen. No amount of complaining to FOC or MiSDU is going to change it. Heck, we have less of a say in this, as an agency, than you do as a voter.

On a side note, the MiSDU IS in fact the correct place to lodge these complaints and ask questions related to payments. I know you get blown off a lot when calling them. It is a new agency, and staffed mostly by temps. They are extremely underpaid, and most of them quit pretty quickly. Would you stay in a job making $7-8 an hour dealing with this? Of course not. "But it's their job". That's the problem, no one can stand the job long enough to learn the ropes up there to really be able to say 'this is my job'. My suggestion to everyone is if you feel as if you are getting the run around when speaking to someone from MiSDU is to ask for a supervisor. They have generally been there longer and understand the extremely complicated structure of family law.

Please understand that everyone at any FOC is human. We make mistakes. It's not on purpose. And please remember that to any parent, there is nothing more important than their child. So every person who calls or writes or has an order to be entered desperately needs it done immediately, for their child's sake. We understand that. We are mothers and fathers as well(and no, Satan is not our father, contrary to popular belief). But, you can only do one thing at a time, and with so many people not doing what they are ordered to do (make timely payments in the correct amount, let the other parent see the child when they are supposed to) there are always way too many files to work on. With all the complaints about us, believe me when I say the FOC's are one the most closely watched agencies in the state. I need this job. Everyone there needs that job. No one is goofing off, or doing things wrong on purpose. We get auditted many times a year by the state to make sure everything is up to snuff. So yes, no one is screwing with your file for the fun of it. When mistakes are made, there are reprimands. I'm not going to get myself fired just so you, some person I have never met in my life, don't get a check on time. We really truly are trying as hard as we can. But unfortunaly, the demand is just too high. (So vote to raise your taxes next election so the commissioners will vote to let us have more employees, which we desperately need!)

And please remember when dealing with FOC that we are trying to help. The answers you are given to your questions are, in fact, the answers to questions. If you don't like it, there is no point in arguing about it because everything we do is based in laws and orders. The answer is the answer, end of story. We are not giving you an answer you don't like just to make your life hard. There are laws and statutes behind everything we can and cannot do.

Again, certainly, as is true in every company, mistakes are made. There are currently, in my county, about 4,000 files to every worker. So yes, that's a high ratio that mistakes can be made on. But there is so much pressure on the office to do everything NOW! Well, do you want it done fast or done right? We try to do both, but it's just not possible. Entering everything correctly takes time. Calling every day to see if your order has been entered YET does not help speed things along. So please, remember that the staff does care and is trying to help. Remember that we are dealing with devestated, hurt people all day and it's grueling and takes it's toll. We try not to be short with people, but a lot of people tend to think we are supposed to be doing things for them that are, in fact, forbidden by law for us to do(we cannot investigate abuse allegations)and think we are just being jerks and not doing our jobs. And have no beef telling us exactly that. And calling constantly about things people have already gotten an answer for that they just don't like eats into our time to help other people that we could help.

So, I know there will be a barrage of hate responses, and again, every case is different and I don't deny mistakes are being made. I don't take responsibility for every mistake made on every file in every one of the 83 counties in Michigan. But please, bare with us. Treat us like human beings and we can all get through this. Divorce and wedlock are traumatic events in themselves; it may not seem like it, but we are not here to make it worse.

Please LISTEN to what FOC tells you. They are giving you the information you are requesting. If something is suggested to you to help alleviate whatever problem you have, that is what you should do. No one likes filling out court papers or taking time off to go to a hearing, but these are legal issues, and unfortunately, that is what must be done most of the time. Yes, it's not fun, but it's what you must do to resolve your particular issue.

So Lori, I hope this helped, at least to explain your problems with payments. I know it was lengthy and off topic most of the way, but hopefully everyone out there has a slightly better understanding of 'the system'.

So please, contact us with your problem and you WILL get an answer. If you don't like the answer, there isn't much you can do about it, especially not argue your way out of it. If you are told you must motion the court, unfortunately, that is what you must do. FOC can only enforce the standing order, not change it. Only the Judge can do that, and motioning the court is the only way to get him to do it. Your complaint will be worked on, but it will take time. A lot of time. In a perfect world everyone would do what they are supposed to, and believe me, I would be perfectly happy working for the water department if that happened! But of course it's not a perfect world, and there are a lot of people who have to be constantly brought back into to court to get a payment out of. That's the way some people are. If we knew the magic words to make someone realize they are only hurting their kids by not paying, we would say them all day long. Some people just aren't going to pay, no matter what you do to them. All we can really do is punish them after the fact. It's kind of like no one can FORCE you not to go rob a bank today. You just don't because you know it's not right. Well, some payors just don't seem to care that it's not right to not help support their child. And the police can't be everywhere to stop every crime from happening, just like we can't monitor every file every week to make sure payment keeps coming in. The police, most of the time, deal more with catching people who have already committed a crime, much like us. And we don't have anywhere near the powers under the law to find people! Speaking of the police, FOC CANNOT arrest people! I can't arrest anyone any more than you can! So please do not be angry with us if your ex has not been arrested on one of our warrants. We simply issue the warrants, we don't go pick people up on them. Again, even if you called me and told me where he was this very second, I can't arrest him anymore than you can! Also, keep in mind too that it is very difficult to find someone who is trying not to be found. All that good spy technology is only in movies; in real life, there are LOADS of privacy laws that prevent government agencies from tapping into various sources of information, i.e. getting an address from a utility company...

I guess that's about it. Preachy, yes, but hopefuly some people will see a little bit of truth in some of this.
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#16 Consumer Comment

I understand Completely...But..

AUTHOR: Lisa - (U.S.A.)

Brad..I understand your frustration!

FOC has not been involved in my husbands dealings and we recently from the last report ON our own increased her wekkly to $175.00. Not to mention she argued about still wanting the school clothes and other things as well. Her insurance is covered under him as well.

Now..We did contact a lawyer and he said we would most likely pay what FOC said which was $140.00 a week. But we decided to pay the 175 and told her to not ask for anything else. and its taken out by direct deposit.

Still we were supposed to have her all summer and we only saw her probably only 3 weeks THIS WHOLE summer. reason? because her payment would be cut in half..and she would not be able to make payments. This whole summer this little girl went without tennis shoes and the mom kept asking us to but them for her? NOW $700 a month and you cant buy your kid shoes? One thing my husband regrets is leaving without his daughter.
she would of been better off and we would not ask her for any support whatso ever.

But you have to understand most of these women dont have it as easy...they have men who are not willing to provide and probably want nothing to do with the kids they made...Now thats what bothers me!!
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#17 Consumer Comment

Thanks!!

AUTHOR: Sean - (U.S.A.)

Leah-

I can use all the prayer I can get...If u had an attorney before, you hired another to "put fire under their asses".. then your 1st attorney was the one who did the order.. You should be mad at him/her if it was wrong...

So..... now that you hired an attorney " to put fire under their asses"..U still don't have it right??? So why are u still complaining? Didn't it get straighten out?
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#18 Consumer Comment

Brad, call YOUR ex ... maybe she understands

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

Brad - You need to get off this conversation because
1)You don't make any sense
2)You don't have a clue
3)Apparently you are on a totally different planet or something
If you feel you need to bash somebody why don't you call YOUR ex - maybe she understands where you are coming from
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#19 Consumer Comment

Poor, poor, Sean....

AUTHOR: Leah - (U.S.A.)

It doesn't really shock me to see that you would result to name calling. I never attacked you just the FOC. Just a little info: My court order reads that I am to receive support based on split custody. The order was prepared wrong and due to the fact that my ex has several thousand dollars of arreages now it's taking that much longer to straighten everything out. Sad to say I had to hire another attorney to put a fire under their asses. So me being a angry mother who only wants help supporting her son makes me psycho? I doubt most would agree. Just shows your character. I'll say a little prayer for you Shawn...oh I'm sorry I mean Sean.
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#20 Consumer Comment

WOW...this is still crazy...

AUTHOR: Brad - (U.S.A.)

Lisa,

This is exactly what I meant about get a job and stop screwing your X. Most of these woman just do this crap to screw some poor guy out of as much as they can get and never stop trying. The F.O.C. and the Lawyers just add to the problem. You had the child, don't want it? Give it to the Father then. Can't afford the child, then you should never have had one, PERIOD!

Why should these guys pay you to keep their children if you can't afford them? Get a job. Cant find a job send the child to their Father and leave them alone. What in the World ever made you people think that the Mother deserves the children in any case is just beyond me. Who died and made you King? Men can not only raise a Family but can and will also afford them. Like I said two years ago>>>> GET A JOB!

The Evil Brad...
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#21 Consumer Comment

AMEN!!! FOC can only work with what it has....

AUTHOR: Sean - (U.S.A.)

Thank you Jean!!!! I am so glad that someone else understands what really happens with FOC... Everyone understands that certain things within the FOC could be better... But with Lansing call the shots and the budget problems, which caused short staff problems... FOC can only work with what it has....
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#22 Consumer Comment

AMEN!!! FOC can only work with what it has....

AUTHOR: Sean - (U.S.A.)

Thank you Jean!!!! I am so glad that someone else understands what really happens with FOC... Everyone understands that certain things within the FOC could be better... But with Lansing call the shots and the budget problems, which caused short staff problems... FOC can only work with what it has....
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#23 UPDATE EX-employee responds

To all you FOC bashers

AUTHOR: Jean - (U.S.A.)

For all of you that have had problems with the Michigan Friend of the Court offices, here's a little info. The FOC office can only enforce what the signed court order states. The court must follow state statues. Most changes that are requested cannot be made in the FOC office. The payee or payor must petition the court and go in front of the judge. Also, in the year 2003 all counties in Michigan were required to change their computer programs to a federal mandated system. That is when MISDU took over payments. What a mess. The FOC workers are not pleased with this change. It is just as frustrating to the FOC workers as it is to the clients. The FOC office can no longer make any adjustments to the payments. That really sucks! Everyone wants to blame the FOC office and the workers. All they can do is enforce what is in that court order and now the feds have taken away the workers ability to help the single mothers get the money that is being paid. It is absolutly unfair to the clients that have to deal with these problems. But please try to understand that the FOC office is limited to just how much they can actually do to help some people.
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#24 Consumer Comment

To Sean

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

Sean - There is no need for name calling. I'm sure Leah will agree that trying to work with this system is enough to make anyone psycho. My nightmare started when HIS attorney thought it would make HIM look better if THEY started up the FOC payments on thier own so I was put into this situation by someone else.

I know people personally who have "gotten out" of the system or so they thought. Then they get pulled over for a minor traffic violation & get arrested because FOC has them down for owning all this back child support they don't owe.

The whole system needs a major overhaul - all we want is what was ordered by the judge at the time, paid to us on time every month which is not too much to ask for. Most of us single parents live on a budget. It is next to impossible to budget money when you don't know when to expect it every month or how much it is going to be.

We are fighting for our kids not ourselves the deserve what was ordered by the judge and on time.
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#25 Consumer Comment

No Wonder.....

AUTHOR: Sean - (U.S.A.)

Leah-

Poor, poor, pyscho, Leah... No wonder you have so much trouble... and probably no man... We see that father of your children don't want to be bothered... You have so much rage and anger in you..

In any case... I still say if you act like a human being, then you get treated like one...

Get a clue!!!
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#26 Consumer Comment

Dear, dear Sean, retarded monkey could handle things better

AUTHOR: Leah - (U.S.A.)

A retarded monkey could handle things better. You really must be blind. Have a child, divorce or leave the mother and then get trapped into dealing with the FOC. You'll change you attitude.
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#27 Consumer Comment

To Sean of Detroit

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

We won't even discuss trying to get OUT of the Friend of The Court system. That is a nightmare & a whole other story ! But it's good that you have faith in systems - this however is not a system - it's the trip to hell & back
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#28 Consumer Comment

To Sean of Detroit

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

We won't even discuss trying to get OUT of the Friend of The Court system. That is a nightmare & a whole other story ! But it's good that you have faith in systems - this however is not a system - it's the trip to hell & back
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#29 Consumer Comment

To Sean of Detroit

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

We won't even discuss trying to get OUT of the Friend of The Court system. That is a nightmare & a whole other story ! But it's good that you have faith in systems - this however is not a system - it's the trip to hell & back
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#30 Consumer Comment

To Sean of Detroit

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

We won't even discuss trying to get OUT of the Friend of The Court system. That is a nightmare & a whole other story ! But it's good that you have faith in systems - this however is not a system - it's the trip to hell & back
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#31 Consumer Suggestion

You can always....

AUTHOR: Sean - (U.S.A.)

Everyone seems to forget.. Using the FOC services is not required... If you think that you can handle the things better.. You can always file a motion to stop using the FOC services... Then you and the other parent can deal with things between the two of you...
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#32 Consumer Comment

Regarding Brad.....

AUTHOR: Leah - (U.S.A.)

Obviously Brad must be a referee from the FOC. He had the same attitude as those wanna be judges that they call referees downtown. They couldn't cut it anywhere else so they stuck them in the Pencobscot Building to let them torture the people that have to deal with them.
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#33 Consumer Comment

Lansing MISDU, they only process what Wayne county tells them to

AUTHOR: Jeannette - (U.S.A.)

Lori, I've dealt with Lansing MISDU and they will tell you they only process what Wayne county tells them to. I just had a big ordeal with them because they cedited my husband's payment to the wrong account and they told us that we would have to go down to the office to sign a release form to correct it. I hope you have better luck than we did! Good Luck & Don't give up.
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#34 Consumer Comment

WOW...this is still crazy...

AUTHOR: Lisa - (U.S.A.)

Ok..wanna hear how bad FOC is?...Couple of stories here to tell yah..

A friend of mine receieved fOC papers in the mail. He supposedly fatehered a child and it had the girls name and address. He decided after many attempts to get aa hold of friend of the court. To stop by and see who she was. The child at the time was 5. Well..low and behold he had no clue who she was nor did she know who he was. His name was popular. So they went to court and THOUGHT the problem was fixed. WRONG just this past year they started garnishing his wages for this child tht is not his. Now he has to get a lawyer he cant afford etc., A few years back I was standing on the steps at the court building and saw one of the ladies from channel 2 I even expressed my concern to her. Then I met antoher reporter at a chamber of commerce meeting and told him they NEED to do a story on this.
(NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE) NO Hall of shame etc.,

Problem #2

Ok..my husband has been paying not htrough FOC but per divorce agreement $120 a week faithfully. He provide health insurance.And buys her schoolclothes and her winter coat etc. Well the ex wife. Mind you the divorce was because she was pregnant by another man and had the audacity to have the baby on his insurance. Health care said they could do nothing aboutit seeing since the divorce was not final. ANyways..She has brought up FOC wanting 200 a week. Plus everything else we have done.

FOC told her tht if she wanted for the past 5 years of him paying only 120 they could get him in arrearges! They also told her seeing since she only wants an increase of 170 tht they can get over 200 a week if she wanted and really nail him. What type of people are working at FOC?...Disgruntled women who are out to pin the REAL DADS tht actually pay and do not need FOC to help them pay? My husband has abided by the divorce decree always pays her on time..she has even told him she cant keep his daughter for a week because she cant make her car payment! But yet..FOC is gonna screw all the decent DADS tht actually want to be a part of their childs lives ..DADS tht go beyond just The payments a week. FOC AND ITS WORKERS? YOU MAKE ME SICK....
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#35 Consumer Comment

You're Welcome, Brad the JERK is under a rock curled up like the snake he is

AUTHOR: Joan - (U.S.A.)

Lori, Don't expect to hear from Brad the JERK. He is under a rock curled up like the snake he is.Like I said, he is probably GAY and doesn't have a clue. The only way to get out from under the FOC is to have a hearing to have support paid directly to you, if you trust him. That is the only way to get all of your expected money. I have done this myself because my ex has another child (now 26) he never realy paid support on. Part of my money that I was receiving was going to Mother #1 after I stood in long lines, paid for parking, spent hours on hold steming from the new Federal computer installed. She had to do nothing to get her portion. Now he deposits directly into my bank account so I can get the full amount owed to me. Bench warrants still can be posted if non-payment exists too. You might want to look into this. The Federal Government is in control of the computer system to get all money owed to them by FOC for what use to be known as ADC (rent). This, obviously, has created more than a monster for us so they can get their greedy money. Screw us basically. FOC has laid off almost all of their staff. There is no one to answer phone calls anymore. Anyone left is over worked and they don't care. They are there just to collect their paychecks. I know a girl that is owed $6,000.00 for 3 years now. They won't give her her money. No one knows what the other is doing. She has even contacted Lansing. No results after a year talking with them. They just hang onto her tax return to make more money. She, obviously, is 1 of the 2 that I know who pays her ex. He grips big time if her payments are late too. Well, good luck with FOC and Brad......well, he's too busy getting banged by his horse in the barn!
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#36 Consumer Comment

Not Your Friend of the Court

AUTHOR: Monika - (U.S.A.)

Wayne County Friend of the Court needs to be in the Hall of Shame. I can't say I have worked for 24 years anywhere. I can say that I have been the only one supporting my four children by two men on the rooster of the Court called the friend.....I am at my last wit end with the system. The State says they want women on welfare to work. How about giving the dad a support lesson to pay and revoke their jobs if they don't.
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#37 Consumer Comment

Support Payments

AUTHOR: Darrell - (U.S.A.)

What about Fathers who have complied and are still expected to pay more and more?

I am a Detroit Police Officer, make 45,900 a year my wife makes 19.000 as a waitress. My ex-wife is a bank manager and a Bank Officer who makes 55,000+ and her new husband makes 50,000+

I had to go to a increase in support payments hearing filed by my ex 3 months ago, after I supplied all the required W-2's and tax statements, and explained that I pay 100% of all insurance, for my children as well as my wife and mother, never been late for a payment, and owe nothing for past support, I was asked how much I was willing to increase my monthly payments???!!!

I asked the question, based on the income information is she entitled to an increase? the interviewer stated "no, but lets face it she has not asked for an increase for a while now" I also asked since I was there and she has all the information she has in front of her, could there be a decrease possible? I was told "This is not about you, its about your ex-wife not asking for an increase for a while"!!!!!
Has the Friend of The Court gone from using an income formula to a new formula regarding the fact that who bothers them the least???

The increase was denied, as well as my request for a decrease
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#38 Consumer Comment

Not FOC any more

AUTHOR: Sean - (U.S.A.)

Lori,

Friend of the Court no longer sends out payments... They actually haven't since 9-1-02, all payments received from an employer are being sent out by MiSDU( Michigan State Disbursement Unit).. FOC has no control on payments that are sent to you. You need to contact Lansing about your payments.
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#39 Author of original report

Thanks everyone

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

I'd like to say thank you to all for your kind comments regarding Brad the Jerk - Like I said before (and everyone BUT him gets this) I work 40 hours a week at a job I have had for 24 years. I am not a tramp, I am not someone who lays around doing nothing. My problem is getting my money from the Friend of The Court NOT my ex husband -FOC has his money (his check is garnished every week & sent directly to them) The great FOC decides how much & how often I get a check REGARDLESS of what the court order said. So to Brad the jerk - like I said before I would certainly love to hear from you - I'd like to know how someone functions without a brain
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#40 Consumer Comment

Brad the "BRAT"

AUTHOR: Joan - (U.S.A.)

Sounds like you are a "BRAT". Obviously, you don't have a clue. You make it sound like Women that have children are tramps. Then your own Mother must be one. Do you always stereotype people? I am sure you don't have much of a personality either.



Just remember the next time you are engaged in sex how good it feels to you. Even if you are married, don't forget your birth control because you to could end up in this situation. I may have missed the whole thing tho, you are probably GAY!



Sounds like you have selective reading abilities too. Lori has a problem receiving her money from the FOC not the Father of her children, so what does her not having a job have to do with her complaint? Duh! How did you know that she didn't have a job? Champ.



Many woman have a job and still are owed child support. There are even Women that pay child support. I know 2 myself that pay thier ex-husbands. They do Bitch when a payment is late too. So now what do you have to say? Try an apology to Lori for starters since the cat has your tongue since your only response was stated.
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#41 Consumer Comment

Brad the "BRAT"

AUTHOR: Joan - (U.S.A.)

Sounds like you are a "BRAT". Obviously, you don't have a clue. You make it sound like Women that have children are tramps. Then your own Mother must be one. Do you always stereotype people? I am sure you don't have much of a personality either.



Just remember the next time you are engaged in sex how good it feels to you. Even if you are married, don't forget your birth control because you to could end up in this situation. I may have missed the whole thing tho, you are probably GAY!



Sounds like you have selective reading abilities too. Lori has a problem receiving her money from the FOC not the Father of her children, so what does her not having a job have to do with her complaint? Duh! How did you know that she didn't have a job? Champ.



Many woman have a job and still are owed child support. There are even Women that pay child support. I know 2 myself that pay thier ex-husbands. They do Bitch when a payment is late too. So now what do you have to say? Try an apology to Lori for starters since the cat has your tongue since your only response was stated.
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#42 Consumer Comment

Brad the "BRAT"

AUTHOR: Joan - (U.S.A.)

Sounds like you are a "BRAT". Obviously, you don't have a clue. You make it sound like Women that have children are tramps. Then your own Mother must be one. Do you always stereotype people? I am sure you don't have much of a personality either.



Just remember the next time you are engaged in sex how good it feels to you. Even if you are married, don't forget your birth control because you to could end up in this situation. I may have missed the whole thing tho, you are probably GAY!



Sounds like you have selective reading abilities too. Lori has a problem receiving her money from the FOC not the Father of her children, so what does her not having a job have to do with her complaint? Duh! How did you know that she didn't have a job? Champ.



Many woman have a job and still are owed child support. There are even Women that pay child support. I know 2 myself that pay thier ex-husbands. They do Bitch when a payment is late too. So now what do you have to say? Try an apology to Lori for starters since the cat has your tongue since your only response was stated.
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#43 Consumer Comment

Brad the "BRAT"

AUTHOR: Joan - (U.S.A.)

Sounds like you are a "BRAT". Obviously, you don't have a clue. You make it sound like Women that have children are tramps. Then your own Mother must be one. Do you always stereotype people? I am sure you don't have much of a personality either.



Just remember the next time you are engaged in sex how good it feels to you. Even if you are married, don't forget your birth control because you to could end up in this situation. I may have missed the whole thing tho, you are probably GAY!



Sounds like you have selective reading abilities too. Lori has a problem receiving her money from the FOC not the Father of her children, so what does her not having a job have to do with her complaint? Duh! How did you know that she didn't have a job? Champ.



Many woman have a job and still are owed child support. There are even Women that pay child support. I know 2 myself that pay thier ex-husbands. They do Bitch when a payment is late too. So now what do you have to say? Try an apology to Lori for starters since the cat has your tongue since your only response was stated.
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#44 Consumer Comment

To Brad The jerk

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

Brad - For your information I work 40 hours a week at a job I have had for 24 years. Maybe before you say something stupid you'll charge up your brain. Leave my Ex alone ??? What do you mean by that ? He was ordered a measy $80 a week for 2 kids. I resent your comments - I think you are a jerk - and I would certainly like to meet you. I guess it's hard for you to think with an empty head. (guess I won't be hearing from you)







and what did you say YOU do for a living ???
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#45 Consumer Comment

Response for Brad

AUTHOR: Lisa - (U.S.A.)

Brad, unfortunately not all single mothers can just pick up and leave their children and get a job. I would suggest that you look at the way you were raised. Did your mother work when you were too young to go to school? And was there a father in the house?



The blanket statement you made is not only vulgar, it just goes to show that there are some in society that don't care if single parents get the support they deserve.
Respond to this report!
What's this?

#46 Consumer Suggestion

How about this?

AUTHOR: Brad - (U.S.A.)

Get a job and leave your Ex alone you lazy tramp!
Respond to this report!
What's this?
Report & Rebuttal
Respond to this report!
What's this?
Also a victim?
What's this?
Repair Your Reputation!
What's this?

Advertisers above have met our
strict standards for business conduct.



Ripoff Report Legal Directory