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  • Submitted: Mon, January 29, 2007
  • Updated: Sat, July 09, 2011

  • Reported By:San Francisco California
White Dove Golden Retrievers
Creston, California U.S.A.

White Dove Golden Retrievers - White Dove Ranch White Dove Ranch is a puppy mill. Their overpriced puppies don't bond with people. ripoff Creston California

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Abused dog not from us

*Consumer Comment: Praise for White Dove Golden Retrievers

*Consumer Comment: Great dogs!

*Consumer Comment: Crazy wrong!

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: So called "Rescue groups"

*General Comment: Anyone loooking for a Golden Retriever, English Golden Retriever, etc...

*Consumer Comment: Nope "CandyJean" - there is only one White Dove in California...

*Consumer Comment: Whoever Tubie is, U R nuts.

*Consumer Comment: Funny, the rescues in the area have a much different impression about White Dove than the last 2 posts.

*Consumer Comment: Impossible

*Consumer Comment: not possible!

*Consumer Comment: Tubie is really Pam Saxton, if not then who are you TUBIE???

*Consumer Comment: I am a very satisfied customer!!!!

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Health Clearances done in Europe

*Consumer Comment: Vic...

*Consumer Comment: Never meant DNA was used everytime

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: The person that filed the Rip off Report was not a customer and did not get ripped off!

*Consumer Comment: DNA matching & clearances...

*Consumer Comment: DNA matching & clearances...

*Consumer Comment: DNA matching & clearances...

*Consumer Comment: Pure Slander

*Consumer Comment: Pure Slander

*Consumer Comment: Pure Slander

*Consumer Comment: Nonsense! The dogs are great!

*Consumer Comment: Nonsense! The dogs are great!

*Consumer Comment: Nonsense! The dogs are great!

*Consumer Comment: Nonsense! The dogs are great!

*Consumer Comment: To the employee....

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*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Sigh!

*Consumer Suggestion: Depends On The Person To Be Trusted

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White Dove Golden Retriever's puppies don't get enough attention when they are little and don't bond wth people. They are hard to train and grow into mistrustful dogs. These people have too many dogs and can't take proper care of all of them. Their dogs and puppies live in dust and dirt and are not healthy. They charge way too much. You don't need to pay their high prices to get a white golden retriever. Don't support this puppy mill.

Susan
San Francisco, California
U.S.A.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 01/29/2007 09:44 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/White-Dove-Golden-Retrievers/Creston-California/White-Dove-Golden-Retrievers-White-Dove-Ranch-White-Dove-Ranch-is-a-puppy-mill-Their-ov-233433. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Abused dog not from us

AUTHOR: Carais - (USA)

The author is talking about a dog he adopted from someone else. The abused dog did not come from our ranch. Just to make that clear. We had stated this fact before but since Rip off Report thrive on using their own attorneys for lalwsuits they omitted our post.

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#2 Consumer Comment

Praise for White Dove Golden Retrievers

AUTHOR: Kay Moore - ()

I purchased a white dove Golden about 6 years ago and after owning seven other goldens in my lifetime, I can state without a doubt this is the best one i have ever had. It is a shame when an unknowing person attacks a family who have only done the best job I have ever seen in raising these loving animals. My experiences with Mimmi and Tommy are all highly positive. The screening process to even purchase Chaps was more scrunity than I have experienced in obtaining a job. Sending in a family home study and personal resume to get approval to purchase Chaps was a month long process to ensure Tommy and Mimmi my home was a loving home with the means to provide for Chaps for years to come.  Chaps has always been a loving, playful, friendly and gorgeous dog that many people have tried to buy from me.  When walking him, many people stop me to compliment him on his temperament, friendliness, and calm demeaner.  He is highly social and has always been so.

 I commend Tommy and Mimmi for the way they conduct their business and care for animals. They even drove Chaps to Bakersfield to meet me so Chaps would not have to be flown to me.  Puppy mills do not do this.  I am sorry to hear of Mimmi's struggles with her health and I will be praying for her. She is such a lover of animals and the community needs her skills and business acumen to further advocate for the fair treatment of animals and furthering this awesome breed for us all to enjoy.   I wish her and Tommy nothing but the best and so love my puppy I bought from them, I will purchase another one from them in the future.  

The person who posted such a vicious message about the ranch obviously needs mental health intervention and. I hope he/she gets the help they so desperately need.  Best wishes to Mimmi.  

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#3 Consumer Comment

Great dogs!

AUTHOR: Celine - ()

Great dogs! Healthy, happy, beautiful and great temperament. Nice people! Great ranch! VERY satisfied customer!

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#4 Consumer Comment

Crazy wrong!

AUTHOR: Khloe - ()

Almost everyone in Malibu owns a White Dove Golden Retriever. The dogs have so much space to play and run around on up at the ranch and are stunning and health. Tommy and Mimmi were extremely helpful in guiding us through the purchase of our first pup time and we just came back for one more for my sister. Really nice people and trustworthy Whoever wrote the nasty reports are really off track. I couldn't imagine a better place to be a dog.

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#5 REBUTTAL Owner of company

So called "Rescue groups"

AUTHOR: Kevin Carais - (United States of America)

When my wife was diagonsed with Leukemia and could no longer work at the ranch we decided that the most humane thing was to donate some of  our dogs to families with needs such as people that needed therapy dogs or people that had health problems like my wife or just ordinary families. The people that adopted our dogs were good people that would give our dogs a stable, happy home. These so call "Rescue Groups" contacted us and asked if we needed their assistance and we said "Thank you, but we would rather find our own adoptive homes so we could meet the person/family where the dog would be living". These "Rescue Groups" who are actually animal rights activist, who hates people that breed dogs or horses or other animals for a profit and harrass them, then posed as "normal families". They took as many dogs as they possibly could get and then TURNED AROUND AND SOLD THE DOGS for a PROFIT, claming it was for reimbursment for "costs".
 
Our intention was to find good homes and GIVE THEM to people that wanted a great dog. We own 26 acres of land and our dogs are NEVER on CONCRETE but have several acres fenced off for them where they can run and play in the sprinklers and play with their toys. A lot of our customers claim our ranch is a "dog heaven" and AKC's inspector that comes out yearly always state that "One day she would like to buy one of our dogs". She loves our set up. We are also as breeders licensed and get inspected by Animal Control yearly and we always get an A plus for our set up. We also have a lake down the road that belongs to our ranch where the dogs swim in the summertime. We take the dogs with us as we work and they follow us wherever we go without leash.

Our dogs are healthy and well kept and well fed. Not to talk about well loved. We have all health clearances on all our dogs that are breeders and this can be checked by going to the offa.org IF there were to be a problem with health in our dogs we WOULD NEVER breed on that dog again. We have spent a lot of money buying good dogs from reputable breeders and how now perfected our trusted lines and elminated lines that had any potential to health problems. It is not good business to sell unhealthy dogs because California has a Puppy Lemon Law which states that the person that bought a sick dog can sue the breeder for 150% of the purchase price. It would be insane to breed unhealthy dogs. Our dogs are well socialized and loved, however I do think they would find it scary for people to come pick them up and drop them off somewhere else when they don't know the person. It's like taking someone's child and giving it to another person and leave. We had no option at the time for the dogs sake then to place them in homes. We would have kept them ourselves if we could but any human being with a brain would understand that when your wife has LEUKEMIA working is NOT an OPTION.

Therefore you now see what motivated our donation of our dogs. Today we only have a few dogs and it's the perfect amount for a few people to manage and it's working out great. We are thankful for the help from the community and thank you for your prayers for my wife. There have been some very kind people during this process and some as you can see not so kind. It is truly amazing how evil some people are. All I can say is that I pray for you that you would change your ways but I would also like to add that you would stop pretending that you "Rescue dogs". We have placed other peoples "rescue" Goldens before too but never bad mouth anyone for it. I am sure that you have a true love for the animals but you should have equal love and respect for human beings. 
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#6 General Comment

Anyone loooking for a Golden Retriever, English Golden Retriever, etc...

AUTHOR: Tubie - (U.S.A.)

Please only go to breeders who follow the Golden Retriever Club of America (GRCA) Code of Ethics and breeding guidelines.  This will help you get the healthiest puppy possible, no matter what the color.

Breeding guidelines from the GRCA.org website, with important points in bold:

a. Hips for U.S. dogs, a report from Orthopedic Foundation for Animals; or PennHIP at 24 months of age or older.   For dogs outside the U.S., report from a health registry approved by the Golden Retriever club of that country (e.g. Canada - Ontario Veterinary College; Great Britain - BVA/KC Hip Score) A report from the accepted health registry of another country may be used for U.S. dogs that are 24 months of age or older when x-rayed.

b.Eyes appropriate report from a Diplomate of the American College of Veterinary Ophthalmology (ACVO) or from a BVA/KC approved ophthalmologist (Great Britain), or a report from the Canine Eye Registry Foundation.  For dogs outside the U.S., a report from an ophthalmologist as recommended by the Golden Retriever club of that country after 1 year of age. Examinations must be done within 12 months of a breeding.

c. Hearts appropriate report from a Diplomate of the American College of Veterinary Medicine, Cardiology Specialty or a certification by the Orthopedic Foundation for Animals by a cardiologist (the number will be followed by a C) at 12 months of age or older.

d. Elbows for U.S. dogs, a report from Orthopedic Foundation for Animals at 24 months of age or older. For dogs outside the U.S., report from a health registry approved by the Golden Retriever club of that country at 24 months of age or older. A report from the accepted health registry of another country may be used for U.S. dogs that are 24 months of age or older when x-rayed."
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#7 Consumer Comment

Nope "CandyJean" - there is only one White Dove in California...

AUTHOR: Tubie - (U.S.A.)

but they also use the names White D, White Duck, Golden Retriever Puppies 4 u and now they have started a "club" called the Golden Retriever Club of the USA.  A "club" which has ONE breeder recommendation - "Golden Retriever Puppies 4 u".  

What I posted was a first hand account of what went on when a local Golden Retriever rescue came to take the male pups and retired breeding females that he couldn't sell.

I just put part of what the rescuer said in the last post.  Here's the post in its entirety:

"I have been to the White Dove Ranch in Creston, CA, to help rescue some of the goldens they were culling from the herd, mostly overbred females or adolescent males they had not been able to sell as adorable puppies.  These people are a puppy mill, pure and simple. The dogs are kept outside in wire pens with rudimentary shelter (a half shed) and a bowl of water.   (You can see this, with a tarp added, behind the manager's picture.) Most of the dogs have had NO socialization experiences except with the other dogs in the pens with them. When we picked out the dogs we wanted (adults), they had to be carried to the car because they had never been out of the pens before. They were completely submissive to humans in that wagging tail/fearful crouch way that said "I want to like you but I'm too afraid." When we got to the park for the meet-up and lifted them down to the grass, they just sank, trembling, because they'd never been on grass before. The true saving grace is that they are temperamentally sound--fearful as they were, not one of them snapped or threatened us as we handled them; they just shook uncontrollably. There was one golden out as the man's companion--he too was for sale. Their dogs are stock, nothing more. I have followed several of these dogs after their placements and even with the best of homes it has taken years of rehab (even the puppies) to get them to be able to live normally."

Take two seconds and Google "White Dove Golden Retrievers".  You will see that there are MANY complaints about them and their breeding practices.
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#8 Consumer Comment

Whoever Tubie is, U R nuts.

AUTHOR: candyjean - (United States of America)

Crazazy.  Must be refering to another breeder with the same name.
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#9 Consumer Comment

Funny, the rescues in the area have a much different impression about White Dove than the last 2 posts.

AUTHOR: Tubie - (U.S.A.)

Some of those rescues have gone to White Dove to collect his "retired" breeding females and adolescent male pups that he was unable to sell.

From one of the rescuers:  "The dogs are kept  outside in wire pens with rudimentary shelter (a half shed) and a bowl of  water.  Most of the dogs have had NO socialization experiences except with the  other dogs in the pens with them.  When we picked out the dogs we wanted  (adults), they had to be carried to the car because they had never been out of  the pens before.  They were completely submissive to humans in that wagging tail/fearful crouch way that said "I want to like you but I'm too afraid."   When we got to the park for the meet-up and lifted them down to the grass, they just sank, trembling, because they'd never been on grass before. The true saving grace is that they are temperamentally sound--fearful as they were, not one of them snapped or threatened us as we handled them".

White Dove has recently started a "club" with a very similar name to the extremely reputable Golden Retriever Club of America.  He calls it the "Golden Retriever Club of the USA".  It's not a club, it's simply a way for him to market his pups to a wide audience who are fooled into thinking that this is a legitimate place to get information about Goldens.  He states that his own "GoldenRetrieverPuppies4u" kennel is "inspected and approved" by the GRCUSA - the club that HE started and runs!  Pretty convenient, don't you think?

White Dove has at least 5 different aliases and websites that they use to sell pups.  No reputable breeder changes their name as often as White Dove has.
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#10 Consumer Comment

Impossible

AUTHOR: candyjean - (United States of America)

I've had a White Dove Golden for 8 years.   We drove up to the ranch from San Diego, I cannot imagine a more idyllic place to be a dog.  The puppies were in the house with their dog mom and were being well cared for by the owners and their caretaker. We almost felt guilty taking him.
Keagan is the smartest, sweetest, most special dog I've ever known.  Everone that meets him feels the same way.

Her description does not ring true at all.  Sour grapes, perhaps?

It seems impossible that this bad reviewer is being honest.
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#11 Consumer Comment

not possible!

AUTHOR: Anne - (United States of America)

I was startled and dismayed to read this report about White Dove Golden Retrievers.
We have had a White Dove Golden for almost 10 years now and he is the most amazing dog in the world!  He is the most loving, friendly, patient, wonderful dog imaginable.  We refer to him as our "first-born."  Everyone who has ever met him agrees that he is an exceptional dog.  Not only is he an integral member of our family, he is absolutely amazing with children ... he even did some therapy dog work at a senior home.  Alzheimers patients who had not communicated in months actually spoke while they were petting him.  He spent years going to work with me and even got special permission to commute on the ferry because he was such a great dog.
My sister has two other White Dove Goldens and they are also fabulous dogs.  I can't imagine what must have happened to cause Susan in San Francisco to write such a report.  I'm sorry she feels that way.  Our White Dove golden is an absolute treasure.
Riker's mom
SF, CA USA
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#12 Consumer Comment

Tubie is really Pam Saxton, if not then who are you TUBIE???

AUTHOR: Lisa - (U.S.A.)

Tubie makes false rip off reports about many golden retriever breeders, like she did to me, silver mine kennels and now white dove. There are others too I'm sure of it! I wonder why, the only answer is competition! Get a freaking life and stop lying about other breeders to satisfy your own selfish agenda! You need mental help!
So what a few ppl have issues with white dove, well guess what I bet 100 other ppl don't! I know many ppl that love their dogs from white dove! Your not perfect no one is and guess what all the testing in the worlds not going to help the goldens, they are over bred and in-bred/line-bred (same thing) by all the show breeders, they all die of cancer now, some as young as at 5 and 8 years and most of them get CHD, OCD, elbow dysplasia, even from tested parents and grand parents, goldens are a sickly breed from all the over breeding and in-breeding show breeders have done to them, like Pam Saxton who now uses the fake name Tubie!

And if it's not you Pam Saxton, then maybe Tubie will come out and give her real name instead of hiding behind rip off reports like the coward she is! Who makes rip off reports and doesn't even use their real name, who would give a person like that any credit or listen to them, come on ppl get a clue, if someone has something genuine to say they would give their real name!
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#13 Consumer Comment

I am a very satisfied customer!!!!

AUTHOR: Ihabini - (Canada)

I am from Montreal Canada, and I just purchased a white dove retriever from White Dove Ranch! and I am glad I did!

What a beautiful puppy I recieved by plane, clean, well taken care of, in great health, great with my family within couple of days after arrival, joyful, happy and very sweet!! I could go on for a while.

I would recommend to anyone buying from them anytime, and I am thinking of buying from them again!!

Great follow up from Mimmi, quick and thoughful and that was what made me purchase over the internet with all the scamming going on these days.

I sent my money via a money order and didn't have a single doubt about it, and the result is what I expected, just a very promissing puppy!

That Susan is just a sour loser...
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#14 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Health Clearances done in Europe

AUTHOR: Mimmi - (U.S.A.)

Some of our Golden Retrievers have had their health certifications and testing done in Europe. They are a totally different organizations then OFA which is an North American organization. We can therefore not register with them with the OFA. For example, most of the ultrasounds for their hearts were done by the breeders at veterinarians in Europe before they were shipped to us. We specifically asked for this and paid extra to have this done in order to insure they were problem free. This is also true for some other health checks. I once more ask Tubie to email us and find out the facts before voicing her speculations on the internet. Or getting on the plane and come visit us!
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#15 Consumer Comment

Vic...

AUTHOR: Tubie - (U.S.A.)

If you really believe that "There is no acceptable disorders such as eyes, cancer, heart, hip displaysa, etc. during the life expentancy of 18 years. ", then you are going to be in for a lot of heartache. If you breed for any length of time, you are going to produce these disorders. Anyone who says any differently is lying.

If you are as committed as you say you are - get a CHIC number for your female and make sure that any male she is bred to has one as well. CHIC stands for Canine Health Information Center and these are the requirements to get one:

Hip Dysplasia (one of these)

* OFA evaluation
* PennHip evaluation
* OVC evaluation
* GDC evaluation

Elbow Dysplasia (one of these)

* OFA evaluation
* GDC evaluation
* OVC evaluation

Eye Clearance

* CERF evaluation
Annual exams until 96 months

Congenital Cardiac Database

* OFA evaluation with exam by cardiologist

In order to be issued a CHIC number, a dog has to have been tested and either been given a final clearance or if they do not pass, the owner must allow the results of the failing to be published. The dog must also be positively identified by a microchip, a tattoo, or some other permanent method.

For your female, she has OFA Hips/Elbows but there is no CERF data or heart clearance listed. Has she had both clearances done by an AVCO (Veterinary Ophthalmologist) and an ACVIM (Canine cardiologist)? If she has had these clearances done, why not send in the forms and get a CHIC number for her before you breed her?

In looking at Ludde's pedigree page on k9data, several things stick out to me. 1) His "OFA" number is a number for what is probably a prelim examination, not a final rating, 2) his eye clearance is merely a date, there is no other information given. If you look at the history of changes for his record, the same date was given as the day he got his heart, elbow and thyroid clearances.

Again, if Ludde has all of these clearances (OFA, PennHip, CERF, etc), then why were the forms not sent in to these registries so that ANYONE could verify this information? Why leave any question in anyone's mind as to why the health certs wouldn't be listed?
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#16 Consumer Comment

Never meant DNA was used everytime

AUTHOR: Vic & Linda - (U.S.A.)

As far as White Dove Ranch and the goldens produced I cannot be swayed. They are doing a great job. Everyone I talk to seems to be extremely happy with their dog. I don't think people who are breeders should be beating up White Dove. This is just wrong. We need to work as a team to improve the breeding in the US. Those who are not breeders should let the breeders discuss value, etc.

I never meant to say White Dove uses DNA testing on every breeding. When there is a lot of questions DNA testing is available.

When it comes to my planned breeding I want to know all there is to know. The pups are very expensive (a great deal more than White Dove) and I want the quality to equal the cost. Our pups are guaranteed for life. There is no acceptable disorders such as eyes, cancer, heart, hip displaysa, etc. during the life expentancy of 18 years. This is based on White Dove Dogs.

Feel free to log onto k9data.com and follow the lines of "White Dove Lady Winneford" (Winnie). You can see one of her test breedings (Winnie - Ludde). All of the pups are spoken for already. You can follow her lines back 20 generations or until the breed was first recognized in England in the early 1900's. All the tests you mention are standard for anyone trying to be a responsible breeder. I can't find any faults in my planned breeding. Obviously there is a lot out of our control. The use of DNA testing is not needed in every case. I would suggest it for new breedings. However you should know your dogs genes prior to breeding.

In the case of this breeding we can't find any faults. If you can be of help with information please come forward.

Vic
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#17 REBUTTAL Owner of company

The person that filed the Rip off Report was not a customer and did not get ripped off!

AUTHOR: Mimmi - (U.S.A.)

I once more state that the person that filed the report was not a customer and was not ripped off! She was turned away because we did not want to sell her a puppy! We could easily open up a lawsuit towarrds her but she later apologized for writing such things here and we forgave her.

We have spent 16 years pouring love, affection, time, money, sweat, tears, joy and blood into these dogs. It hurts me deeply that people can just post any nasty thing they want on the internet for the whole world to see. It hurts me so bad that people speculate about things they know nothing of. Why not then visit White Dove Ranch before you mouth off about things you don't know? For you that wrote negative things; I have seen your postings on other sites, speculating about our dogs. Why not get on a plane and come see for yourself before you cast your opinion! And do you not have something more fulfilling in life then to sit and go through every record of our dogs. Meddling in our business when you can have a life of your own?

Do you really think that celebrities would purchase puppies from our ranch when they come in their nice limos if the puppies were not of top notch, healthy and clean? Not to mention CNN newsanchors that have visited.....wouldn't they turn around and walk away and not buy? Or if it was a bad place make a story out of it?

Once more I state: Our dogs do not live in filth but they are on the ground with grass, trees and bushes romping around playing in the lake and the mud doing what dogs like most. Like Vic Baglio said "a giant playground for dogs". They are never in a kennel or on concrete. We have 24 hour care for the puppies that are born and raised inside our house.

My only consolation is that my customers are extremely happy with our puppies, send us pictures and praises and updates and come back for more.

A little bit of humbleness and kindness would go a long way in this world. Angry people are full of venom and unfortunatly people feed and make money of off that. I think that what comes out of a persons mouth shows what is in your heart. Before you find fault in someone else you should look at yourself. If it is nothing but nasty things that comes out of your mouth, then your heart is full of nasty things too.

Mimmi
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#18 Consumer Comment

DNA matching & clearances...

AUTHOR: Tubie - (U.S.A.)

Sorry Vic, if someone told you that they used DNA to match up potential parents - I would question exactly what they are matching on. The only DNA test available for Golden Retrievers is a test for a genetic form of PRA (an eye disorder). Several White Dove dogs are DNA'd but that is more than likely because AKC requires that sires that are used more than 7 times in one year be DNA profiled in case of a question of parentage of a litter. This DNA information only uses DNA sequences so it cannot provide any information about the presence or absence of genetic diseases.

As far as clearances go, I have found several White Dove dogs that have no clearances listed with OFA. While this doesn't necessarily mean that they do not have these clearances, I would question why, if they were done, was the paperwork not sent in to the OFA/CERF? The x-rays for hips and elbows are the expensive part, sending the forms to the OFA only costs $40. Cardiac database only costs $15 and CERF (which should be done EVERY year, not just once in a lifetime) costs $12 the first time, $8 dollars thereafter. In addition to that, both the OFA and CERF give discounts for breeders who submit several dogs at the same time. If they are using Penn-Hip, I would like to see what the distraction index numbers are for BOTH hips, not just the percentile value that Penn-Hip gives.

Now what you do with your girl is your business but before you breed her, please consider getting her heart clearance done by a canine cardiologist and her eyes cleared by a canine ophthalmologist. Unfortunately, your normal general practice veterinarian does not have the tools to diagnose or check for the kind of genetic disorders that a canine cardiologist/ophthalmologist can. You will have to take her to a specialist for these clearances. If you have already gotten these clearances, please consider sending them to the appropriate registries.
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#19 Consumer Comment

DNA matching & clearances...

AUTHOR: Tubie - (U.S.A.)

Sorry Vic, if someone told you that they used DNA to match up potential parents - I would question exactly what they are matching on. The only DNA test available for Golden Retrievers is a test for a genetic form of PRA (an eye disorder). Several White Dove dogs are DNA'd but that is more than likely because AKC requires that sires that are used more than 7 times in one year be DNA profiled in case of a question of parentage of a litter. This DNA information only uses DNA sequences so it cannot provide any information about the presence or absence of genetic diseases.

As far as clearances go, I have found several White Dove dogs that have no clearances listed with OFA. While this doesn't necessarily mean that they do not have these clearances, I would question why, if they were done, was the paperwork not sent in to the OFA/CERF? The x-rays for hips and elbows are the expensive part, sending the forms to the OFA only costs $40. Cardiac database only costs $15 and CERF (which should be done EVERY year, not just once in a lifetime) costs $12 the first time, $8 dollars thereafter. In addition to that, both the OFA and CERF give discounts for breeders who submit several dogs at the same time. If they are using Penn-Hip, I would like to see what the distraction index numbers are for BOTH hips, not just the percentile value that Penn-Hip gives.

Now what you do with your girl is your business but before you breed her, please consider getting her heart clearance done by a canine cardiologist and her eyes cleared by a canine ophthalmologist. Unfortunately, your normal general practice veterinarian does not have the tools to diagnose or check for the kind of genetic disorders that a canine cardiologist/ophthalmologist can. You will have to take her to a specialist for these clearances. If you have already gotten these clearances, please consider sending them to the appropriate registries.
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#20 Consumer Comment

DNA matching & clearances...

AUTHOR: Tubie - (U.S.A.)

Sorry Vic, if someone told you that they used DNA to match up potential parents - I would question exactly what they are matching on. The only DNA test available for Golden Retrievers is a test for a genetic form of PRA (an eye disorder). Several White Dove dogs are DNA'd but that is more than likely because AKC requires that sires that are used more than 7 times in one year be DNA profiled in case of a question of parentage of a litter. This DNA information only uses DNA sequences so it cannot provide any information about the presence or absence of genetic diseases.

As far as clearances go, I have found several White Dove dogs that have no clearances listed with OFA. While this doesn't necessarily mean that they do not have these clearances, I would question why, if they were done, was the paperwork not sent in to the OFA/CERF? The x-rays for hips and elbows are the expensive part, sending the forms to the OFA only costs $40. Cardiac database only costs $15 and CERF (which should be done EVERY year, not just once in a lifetime) costs $12 the first time, $8 dollars thereafter. In addition to that, both the OFA and CERF give discounts for breeders who submit several dogs at the same time. If they are using Penn-Hip, I would like to see what the distraction index numbers are for BOTH hips, not just the percentile value that Penn-Hip gives.

Now what you do with your girl is your business but before you breed her, please consider getting her heart clearance done by a canine cardiologist and her eyes cleared by a canine ophthalmologist. Unfortunately, your normal general practice veterinarian does not have the tools to diagnose or check for the kind of genetic disorders that a canine cardiologist/ophthalmologist can. You will have to take her to a specialist for these clearances. If you have already gotten these clearances, please consider sending them to the appropriate registries.
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#21 Consumer Comment

Pure Slander

AUTHOR: Vic & Linda - (U.S.A.)

I am very sorry for the person who thinks they have been ripped off by White Dove Ranch. The main reason I'm sorry is White Dove Ranch would have worked with this person to make sure they were satisfied. There is a long list of people waiting for White Dove Goldens. I don't believe this person to the time, or gave White Dove the time, to rectify the situation. The other thing it could be; Big Case of Buyers Remorse. Love the dog but wish I didn't pay this much for it and wanted some money back.

Here is my experience that I understand is typical.

I own a female from the ranch and she is perfect. You can log on to K9DATA.COM and look her up by her call name Winnie and then pick White Dove Ranch from the list. You can look at her and many other White Dove Goldens. Look at their longevity, the champion lines, the great hips, etc. Have fun looking at what excellent breeders produce.

I don't know anyone who has been around Our White Dove Golden who does not want one. In fact we will be breeding her at the end of this year and all of the pups she can produce have homes already. Did you know that DNA is used in the selection of male and females for breeding? White Dove Ranch is an exceptional place for Golden Retrievers. What more could a Golden ask for than a giant play ground.

When it comes to friendly and loving there is nothing that compares to our Winnie. She lets our grandchildren lay on her, try to ride her, dress her and yet she never leaves them. When we are out she has one expectation for strangers. Pet her or throw her ball for her. I have never seen her do anything but play with another dog.

She comes on the very first call. She sleeps on the floor next to me or my wife. If we have company she checks on them through the night.

I'm sorry I have the perfect dog and it was produced by White Dove Ranch. Professional, expert breeders.

Vic
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#22 Consumer Comment

Pure Slander

AUTHOR: Vic & Linda - (U.S.A.)

I am very sorry for the person who thinks they have been ripped off by White Dove Ranch. The main reason I'm sorry is White Dove Ranch would have worked with this person to make sure they were satisfied. There is a long list of people waiting for White Dove Goldens. I don't believe this person to the time, or gave White Dove the time, to rectify the situation. The other thing it could be; Big Case of Buyers Remorse. Love the dog but wish I didn't pay this much for it and wanted some money back.

Here is my experience that I understand is typical.

I own a female from the ranch and she is perfect. You can log on to K9DATA.COM and look her up by her call name Winnie and then pick White Dove Ranch from the list. You can look at her and many other White Dove Goldens. Look at their longevity, the champion lines, the great hips, etc. Have fun looking at what excellent breeders produce.

I don't know anyone who has been around Our White Dove Golden who does not want one. In fact we will be breeding her at the end of this year and all of the pups she can produce have homes already. Did you know that DNA is used in the selection of male and females for breeding? White Dove Ranch is an exceptional place for Golden Retrievers. What more could a Golden ask for than a giant play ground.

When it comes to friendly and loving there is nothing that compares to our Winnie. She lets our grandchildren lay on her, try to ride her, dress her and yet she never leaves them. When we are out she has one expectation for strangers. Pet her or throw her ball for her. I have never seen her do anything but play with another dog.

She comes on the very first call. She sleeps on the floor next to me or my wife. If we have company she checks on them through the night.

I'm sorry I have the perfect dog and it was produced by White Dove Ranch. Professional, expert breeders.

Vic
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#23 Consumer Comment

Pure Slander

AUTHOR: Vic & Linda - (U.S.A.)

I am very sorry for the person who thinks they have been ripped off by White Dove Ranch. The main reason I'm sorry is White Dove Ranch would have worked with this person to make sure they were satisfied. There is a long list of people waiting for White Dove Goldens. I don't believe this person to the time, or gave White Dove the time, to rectify the situation. The other thing it could be; Big Case of Buyers Remorse. Love the dog but wish I didn't pay this much for it and wanted some money back.

Here is my experience that I understand is typical.

I own a female from the ranch and she is perfect. You can log on to K9DATA.COM and look her up by her call name Winnie and then pick White Dove Ranch from the list. You can look at her and many other White Dove Goldens. Look at their longevity, the champion lines, the great hips, etc. Have fun looking at what excellent breeders produce.

I don't know anyone who has been around Our White Dove Golden who does not want one. In fact we will be breeding her at the end of this year and all of the pups she can produce have homes already. Did you know that DNA is used in the selection of male and females for breeding? White Dove Ranch is an exceptional place for Golden Retrievers. What more could a Golden ask for than a giant play ground.

When it comes to friendly and loving there is nothing that compares to our Winnie. She lets our grandchildren lay on her, try to ride her, dress her and yet she never leaves them. When we are out she has one expectation for strangers. Pet her or throw her ball for her. I have never seen her do anything but play with another dog.

She comes on the very first call. She sleeps on the floor next to me or my wife. If we have company she checks on them through the night.

I'm sorry I have the perfect dog and it was produced by White Dove Ranch. Professional, expert breeders.

Vic
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#24 Consumer Comment

Nonsense! The dogs are great!

AUTHOR: Cameron - (U.S.A.)

I have bought several White Dove Goldens and they are great. They are extremely intelligent and bond very well with humans and very beautiful. I have owned Goldens all my life and I would never buy another Golden from anyone else. The facilities are clean and the dogs are never in a kennel. The puppies are raised inside the house and are put outside to romp and play in large fenced areas. The person states that the dogs live in the dirt......well yeah that is what grass and bushes and trees grow in! She makes it seems as if they live in filth! These dogs are not raised in kennels on concete. The business owners and the staff are friendly and knowledgable. I flew up to purchase my first puppy from them 3 years ago and have come back 2 more times since. I have introduced the dogs to my neighbors and now the whole neighborhood in Malibu are filled with White Dove Ranch puppies. I would recommend a puppy from them any day! And I would urge that other White Dove Ranch puppy owners speak up and give them praise!
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#25 Consumer Comment

Nonsense! The dogs are great!

AUTHOR: Cameron - (U.S.A.)

I have bought several White Dove Goldens and they are great. They are extremely intelligent and bond very well with humans and very beautiful. I have owned Goldens all my life and I would never buy another Golden from anyone else. The facilities are clean and the dogs are never in a kennel. The puppies are raised inside the house and are put outside to romp and play in large fenced areas. The person states that the dogs live in the dirt......well yeah that is what grass and bushes and trees grow in! She makes it seems as if they live in filth! These dogs are not raised in kennels on concete. The business owners and the staff are friendly and knowledgable. I flew up to purchase my first puppy from them 3 years ago and have come back 2 more times since. I have introduced the dogs to my neighbors and now the whole neighborhood in Malibu are filled with White Dove Ranch puppies. I would recommend a puppy from them any day! And I would urge that other White Dove Ranch puppy owners speak up and give them praise!
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#26 Consumer Comment

Nonsense! The dogs are great!

AUTHOR: Cameron - (U.S.A.)

I have bought several White Dove Goldens and they are great. They are extremely intelligent and bond very well with humans and very beautiful. I have owned Goldens all my life and I would never buy another Golden from anyone else. The facilities are clean and the dogs are never in a kennel. The puppies are raised inside the house and are put outside to romp and play in large fenced areas. The person states that the dogs live in the dirt......well yeah that is what grass and bushes and trees grow in! She makes it seems as if they live in filth! These dogs are not raised in kennels on concete. The business owners and the staff are friendly and knowledgable. I flew up to purchase my first puppy from them 3 years ago and have come back 2 more times since. I have introduced the dogs to my neighbors and now the whole neighborhood in Malibu are filled with White Dove Ranch puppies. I would recommend a puppy from them any day! And I would urge that other White Dove Ranch puppy owners speak up and give them praise!
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#27 Consumer Comment

Nonsense! The dogs are great!

AUTHOR: Cameron - (U.S.A.)

I have bought several White Dove Goldens and they are great. They are extremely intelligent and bond very well with humans and very beautiful. I have owned Goldens all my life and I would never buy another Golden from anyone else. The facilities are clean and the dogs are never in a kennel. The puppies are raised inside the house and are put outside to romp and play in large fenced areas. The person states that the dogs live in the dirt......well yeah that is what grass and bushes and trees grow in! She makes it seems as if they live in filth! These dogs are not raised in kennels on concete. The business owners and the staff are friendly and knowledgable. I flew up to purchase my first puppy from them 3 years ago and have come back 2 more times since. I have introduced the dogs to my neighbors and now the whole neighborhood in Malibu are filled with White Dove Ranch puppies. I would recommend a puppy from them any day! And I would urge that other White Dove Ranch puppy owners speak up and give them praise!
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#28 Consumer Comment

To the employee....

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I am not agreeing/disagreeing with either you or the OP. But the response you gave probably was not helped with your attitude of "Customers only".

RipOff Report is NOT just for customers, it is for anyone(aka public forum). Please note the 7 Response Types. Nothing in these state you must be a customer.

I am the Owner of the Company Reported

I am the Individual Reported

I am an Employee of the Company Reported

I am an Employee of the Company with Inside information

I am an Ex-Employee of the Company Reported

I have a Consumer Suggestion or a constructive solution on how to resolve or
avoid this Rip-off in the future.

I have a Consumer Comment: I am none of the above but have comments regarding this Ripoff Report and wish to express my opinion. These Comments will be treated as "Letters to the EDitor" Solid, productive criticism, your opinions and other comments accepted only.
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#29 UPDATE Employee

Ripoff Report is for customers ONLY!

AUTHOR: Carais - (U.S.A.)

Ripoff Report is for customers ONLY! It is for people that have actually purchased and item and gotten rip offed not a place for people to vent their opinions and slander. White Dove Ranch is under scrutiny of inspection every year by Animal Control and AKC since it is a licensed kennel. The inspectors are very satisfied and always comment on the cleanliness and the way the ranch is set up for the dogs. AKC comments when they came up was the same. They commented on how healthy the dogs are and happy, how nicely they were kept and what a beautiful piece of property we have.

When visitors come the "greeting squad" of dogs come and lick your faces! The statement that White Dove puppies do not bond well with people is something the author made up. The puppies are born inside the house and are watched over 24 hours a day. Every day they are handled to get used to humans. Once they eat solid foods they are moved outside in big play pens. Yes we breed a lot of puppies but that is not what a puppy mill is. If you want to know what a puppy mill looks like go to places like Alabama. According to our customers our ranch is "DOG HEAVEN". They get to roll in the mud, swim in the lake, play with their balls and sprinklers chasing the water.

All our dogs are handled by people that respect and love them. We have devoted 16 years to our dogs and were the first breeders in the US that made the English Goldens popular. Regarding the posting from the guy that wrote his dog was "dumber then s**t". He did not purchase the dog from us. He was just stating that it is up to the person to make sure the puppy bonds with people. It is horrifying that one person's statement can give a good place a bad name just because people are malicious.
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#30 UPDATE Employee

Ripoff Report is for customers ONLY!

AUTHOR: Carais - (U.S.A.)

Ripoff Report is for customers ONLY! It is for people that have actually purchased and item and gotten rip offed not a place for people to vent their opinions and slander. White Dove Ranch is under scrutiny of inspection every year by Animal Control and AKC since it is a licensed kennel. The inspectors are very satisfied and always comment on the cleanliness and the way the ranch is set up for the dogs. AKC comments when they came up was the same. They commented on how healthy the dogs are and happy, how nicely they were kept and what a beautiful piece of property we have.

When visitors come the "greeting squad" of dogs come and lick your faces! The statement that White Dove puppies do not bond well with people is something the author made up. The puppies are born inside the house and are watched over 24 hours a day. Every day they are handled to get used to humans. Once they eat solid foods they are moved outside in big play pens. Yes we breed a lot of puppies but that is not what a puppy mill is. If you want to know what a puppy mill looks like go to places like Alabama. According to our customers our ranch is "DOG HEAVEN". They get to roll in the mud, swim in the lake, play with their balls and sprinklers chasing the water.

All our dogs are handled by people that respect and love them. We have devoted 16 years to our dogs and were the first breeders in the US that made the English Goldens popular. Regarding the posting from the guy that wrote his dog was "dumber then s**t". He did not purchase the dog from us. He was just stating that it is up to the person to make sure the puppy bonds with people. It is horrifying that one person's statement can give a good place a bad name just because people are malicious.
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#31 UPDATE Employee

Ripoff Report is for customers ONLY!

AUTHOR: Carais - (U.S.A.)

Ripoff Report is for customers ONLY! It is for people that have actually purchased and item and gotten rip offed not a place for people to vent their opinions and slander. White Dove Ranch is under scrutiny of inspection every year by Animal Control and AKC since it is a licensed kennel. The inspectors are very satisfied and always comment on the cleanliness and the way the ranch is set up for the dogs. AKC comments when they came up was the same. They commented on how healthy the dogs are and happy, how nicely they were kept and what a beautiful piece of property we have.

When visitors come the "greeting squad" of dogs come and lick your faces! The statement that White Dove puppies do not bond well with people is something the author made up. The puppies are born inside the house and are watched over 24 hours a day. Every day they are handled to get used to humans. Once they eat solid foods they are moved outside in big play pens. Yes we breed a lot of puppies but that is not what a puppy mill is. If you want to know what a puppy mill looks like go to places like Alabama. According to our customers our ranch is "DOG HEAVEN". They get to roll in the mud, swim in the lake, play with their balls and sprinklers chasing the water.

All our dogs are handled by people that respect and love them. We have devoted 16 years to our dogs and were the first breeders in the US that made the English Goldens popular. Regarding the posting from the guy that wrote his dog was "dumber then s**t". He did not purchase the dog from us. He was just stating that it is up to the person to make sure the puppy bonds with people. It is horrifying that one person's statement can give a good place a bad name just because people are malicious.
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#32 UPDATE Employee

Ripoff Report is for customers ONLY!

AUTHOR: Carais - (U.S.A.)

Ripoff Report is for customers ONLY! It is for people that have actually purchased and item and gotten rip offed not a place for people to vent their opinions and slander. White Dove Ranch is under scrutiny of inspection every year by Animal Control and AKC since it is a licensed kennel. The inspectors are very satisfied and always comment on the cleanliness and the way the ranch is set up for the dogs. AKC comments when they came up was the same. They commented on how healthy the dogs are and happy, how nicely they were kept and what a beautiful piece of property we have.

When visitors come the "greeting squad" of dogs come and lick your faces! The statement that White Dove puppies do not bond well with people is something the author made up. The puppies are born inside the house and are watched over 24 hours a day. Every day they are handled to get used to humans. Once they eat solid foods they are moved outside in big play pens. Yes we breed a lot of puppies but that is not what a puppy mill is. If you want to know what a puppy mill looks like go to places like Alabama. According to our customers our ranch is "DOG HEAVEN". They get to roll in the mud, swim in the lake, play with their balls and sprinklers chasing the water.

All our dogs are handled by people that respect and love them. We have devoted 16 years to our dogs and were the first breeders in the US that made the English Goldens popular. Regarding the posting from the guy that wrote his dog was "dumber then s**t". He did not purchase the dog from us. He was just stating that it is up to the person to make sure the puppy bonds with people. It is horrifying that one person's statement can give a good place a bad name just because people are malicious.
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#33 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Sigh!

AUTHOR: Mimmi - (U.S.A.)

It is a sad day when people have nothing better to do then being nasty. Nasty people do not get to purchase our puppies and when we turn them away they get extremely angry. Please go to our Extended Family page at www.whitedoveranch.com and view the nice emails our customers has sent over the years. All we can say is that we feel sorry for this person who is obviously so unhappy with her life that she has to ruin ours.
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#34 Consumer Suggestion

Depends On The Person To Be Trusted

AUTHOR: Cory - (U.S.A.)

I adopted a dog that had been abused and beaten for years. It took me a couple of years to get him to trust me and "bond" to me. Alot of hard work and patience. He was an older dog, which was even more difficult. He's just dumber then h**l.
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