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  • Submitted: Thu, April 03, 2014
  • Updated: Fri, May 09, 2014

  • Reported By: Embry Carter — arlington Texas
Wholesale Texas Fashions, WTF
714 watson rd suit 320 arlington, Texas USA

Wholesale Texas Fashions, WTF Robert Zuckert, Ricki Zuckert, Robert C. Zuckert, wholesale texas fragances They are running the old Larry Hahn perfume scam. Placing add offering $30,000 year managment possition after 60-90 days training. Traing consist of door to door business to busines sales. 100%commission.Multi level Marketing SCAM. 25 sold=trainer,35 sold=asst manager, 45sold=manager arlington Texas

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Finis, I'm Done.

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Set the record straight again!!

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Yes to Slander and Defamation!

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Just Trying to Keep The Streets Clean

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: REALLY?

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: REALLY?

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Rebuttal to this lie

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: The Zuckerts

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 This company is running a 20 year old perfume scam created by Larry Hahn founder of Scentura aka Scentura creations. The current independent contractor for Larry is Robert C. Zuckert and his wife Ricki Zuckert. They run add offering $30,000 year managment possition for 6-9weeks paid training Tuesday being pay day which is quoated at $7 commission off ea bottle sold.   They then take you on what they call Satilite Missions where they tak you out of town for 3 days 10am-10pm pushing knock off perfumes business to business and in PARKING LOTS.                                                                                           On Tuesday instead of a check, i was told to leave the property. Robert and his staff told me I was trying to Extort money from them and was baggering them. I was told get my notes stating $7 per bottle or get out. When i went to retrieve my notes I was locked out.


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#1 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Finis, I'm Done.

AUTHOR: OscarO - ()

You know Rob, you write the same way you talk.  You have an overwhelming NEED TO BE HEARD!!!

You and you ilk are nothing more than grifters and picayune parasites.  You reap what you sow. 

Later.  When you're straighter.

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#2 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Set the record straight again!!

AUTHOR: Owner - ()

Uh Oscar??  If you have a issue that needs to be resolved with me, then call me or, better yet, put your contact info. up so I can reach you. Otherwise, it is plain to see you are confusing us with Dick and Gayle, who operated their business in Lombard back from the late 70's till a little past the mid '90's.  We were not even in the business operating until 1991, and at that time we drove a 1st generation Hyundai (never to be confused with a Rolls)!  He drove the Rolls and was a large, dark haired guy and she was a smaller dark haired woman.  They retired back around '97ish. We have never had any sort of association with them!  In the meantime, because of your confused mental state, you are putting up comments that would be viewed as an assault on our character.   Obviously, you have never met Ricki nor I, otherwise you would have your facts straight.  But, you continue to use people that you have crossed paths with from your past and are confiusing them as us!  In doing this, you are committing slander/libel! Again, I would greatly appreciate your contact info.  We have lived in only 6 of the cities you have listed, either as unmarried youths or young adults living with our families, or as a married couple.  You evidently are bordering on stalking us?   Um, there is more than one person who has the same name.  One of which has died!!  You evidently are stalking us and are attempting to do harm to our business and also to our personal reputation!  

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#3 REBUTTAL Individual responds

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AUTHOR: Owner - ()

Um, Oscar?  I believe you are referring to a couple perhaps named Dick and Gayle who operated in Lombard from the 80's thru the mid 90's.  He was a large man with curly, dark hair and she a smaller woman with dark hair.  They were in the business long before us and he did drive a Rolls, she, I'm not so sure.  And, we have only combined, lived in 6 of those areas all the way back to when we were both youths.  If you have a bone to pick with me, call me to discuss or, even better, put your true identity and contact info. on here so as to allow us to contact you!  

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#4 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Just Trying to Keep The Streets Clean

AUTHOR: OscarO - ()

Slander?  You may want to check your dictionary on the definition.  I may be off on the exact year, but I remember your loud mouth, the Rolls parked outside (could swear I heard you say it was yours) and the spiel about Ricki and the VW.  I remember the dingy, green(?) office in one of the light-industrial parks in Lombard, IL, off of Finley Rd. – 22nd Street, perhaps? Could technically have been Lisle, IL?  DBA and operating addresses aren't necessarily the same.  I remember walking into your office for a release signature for the samples I wanted to return.  “I don’t deal with that shit!!  Talk to one of the girls out there!”, waving your arms wildly.

 

Moved twice since 1994?  So what are the other cities listed in a basic people search (public record)?  Typically listed in reverse chronological order…

 

Arlington (Bedford), TX

Elmhurst, IL

Alexandria, VA

Birmingham, AL

Pelham, AL

Lisle, IL

Scottsdale, AZ

Charlotte, NC

Pikesville, MD

Perry Hall, MD

Jacksonville, FL

Phoenix, AZ

Washington, DC

Arlington, VA

Atlanta, GA

 

A few of these are probably exclusive to you or Ricki.  Regardless of your migratory habits and other details - I remember you and Ricki, and I remember your scam.  I am just a single voice among many that periodically tries to warn people about your scheme.  You prey on the young, the gullible and the desperate.  That’s the point.

 

Maybe these quotes from others that have met with or worked with you are slanderous as well?

 

“I remember Rob telling me once that I needed to leave myself a "trapdoor" when I answered peoples questions. He encouraged me and my partner to mislead them to keep them selling the merchandise. Then later when the new young people started to get wise to the misleading lies, the trapdoor strategy allowed a person who gave the interview to claim that the new person had simply comprehended what was said the wrong way, however they actually meant to mislead people to keep them selling product for as long as possible.”

 

“They finally accumulated such a horrible reputation over several years in Birmingham that the company told them they just needed to get out of the state of Alabama and move away so they could continue to recruit new victims in a fresh territory.

 

“Rob and Ricki Zuckert have left a trail of people with devastated lives and bank accounts.”

 

“…as a person who spent over 2 years of my life working with Rob and Ricki Zuckert, and witnessing him kick holes in the sheetrock walls of his office, because he was upset that his people didn't sell enough perfume…”

 

“He has been successful at this business, because he has the skill to convince a few people to believe in him, long enough to sell enough perfume to make the system work.”

 

“I received a response from Rob Zuckert the head scam artist in the Chicago area.”

 

Sources for these quotes aren’t necessary.  All one has to do is copy & paste them in any Web browser search.

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#5 REBUTTAL Individual responds

REALLY?

AUTHOR: Robert - ()

I am going to respond to this to set the record straight. This person is an anonymous individual who is slandering my wife and myself. Back in 1990-91, I was just getting into the business as a trainee. This robot has never met me, obviously...he calls me a large man, since when is 5'8" considered large?? I did not get into the business, nor go through training in Illinois. I have never owned a Rolls Royce, nor have we ever owned a VW (not even a red car of any brand that may have been mistaken for a VW). Anyone who knows us knows we only buy black or silver, LOL. Since 1995 we have only owned Mercedes' or Audi's. Since December of 1994, we have moved cities twice. In 2002, from Alabama to Illinois & more recently from IL to TX. Never have been harassed by the "locals". As a matter of fact, this will be my opportunity to show the progress one can make with our business. We originally built at 449 Eaton Rd. Hoover, AL., the graduated to 1395 Lake Trace Ln, Hoover, AL & then relocated to Chicagoland area to raise our daughter near family. Our address there was 15W221 Lexington St. Elmhurst, IL. Our business was never operated in Lombard,IL but in Elmhurst. Google those addresses and you will see public records of ownership as well, stunning photos of the inside of the Elmhurst residence. So...if anyone or anything is bs, it would be you sir/ma'am, and your slanderous lies. The humorous part of all this is you claim to have met us in 1990/91, knew us for a few days, but yet know everything about us since? Perhaps you are a stalker? Perhaps you have mistaken us for someone else from your past of a very long time ago? I believe the record has been set straight.   

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#6 REBUTTAL Individual responds

REALLY?

AUTHOR: Robert - ()

I am going to respond to this to set the record straight.  This is an anonymous individual who is slandering my wife and myself.  Back in 1990-91, I was just getting into the business.  I did not get into the business, nor go through training in Illinois.  I have never owned a Rolls Royce, nor have we ever owned a VW(not even a red car of any brand that may have been mistaken for a VW).  Anyone who knows us knows we only buy black or silver vehicles, LOL!  Since 1995, we have only owned Mercedes' or Audi's.  Since December of 1994, we have moved cities twice.  In 2002, from Alabama to Illinois and more recently from Illinois to TX.  Never have been harassed by the "locals" .  As a matter of fact, this will be my opportunity to show the progress one can make with our business:  We originally built at 449 Eaton Rd. Hoover, Al., then graduated to 1395 Lake Trace Ln. in Hoover, Al. and then relocated to Chicagoland area to raise our daughter near family.  Our address there was 15W221 Lexington St.  Elmhurst, IL.  Our business was never operated in Lombard, Il. Google those residential address', and you will find the bought and sold records as well as pictures of the inside of the Elmhurst residence.  So, if anyone or anything is bullshit, it would be you sir/maam, and your slanderous lies.  The humorous part of all this is you claim to have met us in 1990/91, knew us for a few days, but yet know everything about us since?  Perhaps you are a stalker?  Perhaps you have mistaken us for someone else from your past?  I believe the record has been set straight!

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AUTHOR: Owner - ()

The distributor settles up for the cost of the product x how many products were sold at the conclusion of each day.  The money the distributor collects over the cost of the product is put in their pocket at point of sale to consumer.  W.T.F. does not collect distributors profit!  W.T.F. will offer extra incentives to distributors in the form of a daily volume bonus and/or a profit sharing incentive based on the volume of sales a distributor does for a week.  The distributor must be a contributing member of the business at point of payout for those additional monies to be made to that individual.  These are financial incentives offered by W.T.F. to a person who is establishing a continued relationship with W.T.F.  Much like a bonus offered at other business' or finanacial aid for continuing secondary education, those incentives are not continued if the individual quits or "drops out".  Furthermore,  W.T.F. keeps a receipt of every sale of every person who has sold it's products.  This receipt shows how many products were sold by individual and at what price those products were "settled up" for to W.T.F.  If there is any change due back to  distributor, W.T.F. will make change and return difference to distributor immediately.  Individual making the complaint was paid in full for the 7 sales over a 3 day period he did.  He was attempting to get W.T.F. to pay him more monies over what he had already collected.  When requested by me to get his notes so as to validate his claim, he refused to get them.   

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#8 UPDATE EX-employee responds

The Zuckerts

AUTHOR: OscarO - ()

Ah yes, Rob & Ricki Zuckert.  I got the Scamtura jerk around for a couple of days - back in 1990 or 1991!

 

That's right.  Over 20 years ago, and they're still up to the same scam!  The office was in Lombard, IL at that time.  I remember Rob Zuckert - a large, loud-mouthed and  profane individual.  He sported a Rolls-Royce back then, although I thought later, "Would I know a brand-new Rolls from a 15 or 20 year old POS Rolls by looking at it briefly? Probably not".

Ricki's ride was a red VW Cabriolet.  Modest - I know.  Rob rambled on about how she could have had any car she wanted but she just had to have the VW!  Yeah right.

So, now they're out in Texas.  Do a search on either of their names on any people-finder site.  12, 14, 16 addresses in the last 20 years?  Who moves that often?  Goldilocks Syndrome?  Just can't settle down?

Bullshit.  They move whenever they've overstayed their welcome and start getting harassed by the locals.

Run, people.  Spread the word about these scammers far and wide!

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