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  • Submitted: Mon, August 28, 2006
  • Updated: Sun, September 30, 2012

  • Reported By:Dallas Texas
World Christianship Ministries
P.O. Box 8041 Fresno, California U.S.A.
  • Phone: 559-297-4271
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  • Category: Religion

World Christianship Ministries CROOKS, LIERS, WIFE BEATERS, THEIVES and ALL OTHERS BECOME ORDAINED TODAY! Fresno California

*Consumer Comment: Who's the Bad guy Here.

*General Comment: World Christianship Ministries

*Consumer Comment: Sad

*General Comment: not all pastors are like the one mentioned

*General Comment: World Christianship Ministries

*UPDATE Employee: Sorrow

*Consumer Comment: World Christianship No Worse than Any other

*Consumer Comment: Allow Fetal Alcohol damaged adults

*General Comment: Backround checks for wwc

*Consumer Comment: Blame him not the Organization

*Author of original report: Update On World Christtianship Ministries

*Consumer Comment: THEY DONT NEED TO DO BACK GROUND CHECKS!

* : Ministers SHOULD have accountability

* : World Christianship Ministries is NOT to blame!

*Consumer Comment: Blame is just an excuse to avoid learning from your mistakes.

*Consumer Comment: COMMUNICATION

*Consumer Comment: COMMUNICATION

*Consumer Comment: COMMUNICATION

*Consumer Comment: Just another example

*Consumer Comment: But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Mat 24:37 (KJV)

*Consumer Suggestion: Fogiveness is Needed!!!

*Consumer Suggestion: Catholics are also ordaining Rapists and what not even Jehovah's wittnesses or mormons

*Consumer Suggestion: Should This Really Be Listed?

*Consumer Comment: Don't condemn this institution for your bad choice

*Consumer Comment: A QUESTIONABLE INTERNET CHURCH ORDINATION CERTIFICATE DOES NOT A REAL MINISTER MAKE!

*Consumer Comment: Don't Blame Your Bad Marital Relationships on Employers or Other Organizations!

*Consumer Suggestion: Do not allow a few bad apples.

*Consumer Suggestion: I Am So Sorry

*Author of original report: After 2 Years, NO ONE from World ''SO CALLED'' Christianship Ministries has contacted me!!!!

*Consumer Suggestion: IM SORRY BUT

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I was in love with a wonderful man [or so I thought he was wonderful], who I saw, through paperwork, was an ordained minister. I was with him from Sept. 5th 2003 to May 2006. On Mother's Day, without any warning, he jumped me and pounded my body. Since I am phyically disabled, he did more damage to me. I called the police and he went to jail. The next morning, the police told me that my boy friend had done this to many women before me...one being his 1st wife. When I e-mailed World Christianship Ministries they e-mailed me back, telling me that I MUST PROVIDE THEM PROOF of this boy friend's police record. Today, Aug. 28, 2006, I called them and ask them about a person's record and I ask them if they did back ground checks, on people BEFORE handing out these papers to become ordained. They told me NO. That it was a honor thing and that anyone,anytime, at all, can get these papers. ANYONE! NO BACK GROUND CHECK AND THEY NEVER WILL DO BACK GROUND CHECKS! Of course, these legal ordain papers are legal for marriage and baptism and buring people! World Christianship Ministries are making large amounts of money, also, on these papers, so why should they care who they pass them out to...just so World Christianship Ministries gets paid! SO BEWARE, PEOPLE...you never know who that minister is who marries you and your lover or buries your family members...he just may be a wife beater, child beater, theif or even a rapest!

Dee
Dallas, Texas
U.S.A.

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#1 Consumer Comment

Who's the Bad guy Here.

AUTHOR: RFCarpenter, Chaplain - (United States of America)

I have been ordained through World Christianship Ministries since August 3rd, 2005.

If WCM used this ladies criteria for excluding people from being ordained we would all be in a pinch.
As for my personal testimony. I was once a drug dealer, an international drug smuggler and various associated titles.

Since I "Retired" from "The Life" back in 1980 I have also been a very successful business man, father and grand father. I also hold a Federal Firearms License (I'm a gun dealer). I am a Deacon at Second Baptist Church in Houston, Texas. I have been a a Chaplain in the Harris County Jail System since 2002. I have counseled murderers, drug deals and straight people. GOD has used my past to impact those that I see every week in the jail. I'm not proud of the lost years but I see how HE has used them to forward HIS plan for this world.

As for the lady with the violent husband. I think she knew that she had a problem LONG before this guy attacked her during their 3+ year relationship. that's just speculation on my part. BUT it's an assertion based on years of experience with abusive men and the women that endure the abuse rather than exiting the situatuin. This kind of behavior is ALWAYS just below the surface and it has MANY  symptoms (or tells) that are very apparent IF you are awake.

It is a sad thing that she went through this. But This has Nothing to do with WCM and it has everything to do with the level of voracity by which she evaluated this man. Looking at paper work is not the way to evaluate the Substance of anyone.
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#2 General Comment

World Christianship Ministries

AUTHOR: Boutteperry - (U.S.A.)

I am surprised to see this post after all these years.You never mentioned your part in this fiasco?You

appear to have a mouth on you based on your initial post.I think that you are a very blessed in that

God allowed something to happen to deliver you from the situation you were in.It sounds like you and

the guy were shacking and smacking without a ring.I am also curious that you met someone so soon after the so called abuse?Most women that have been abused dont heal up that quickly and most certainly do not move into another relationship that quickly.I choose to beleive you are a liar with a big mouth.I also choose to beleive that this situation was made worse by you.Clinically speaking I cant believe your story.

In the Holy Bible Jesus knew that Judas was a devil and let him hang himself through his own perditious

ways and choices.I never heard you say in your initial story or your follow up that you prayed @ anytime

about this matter.Please remember that the Holy Bible states "And a fool is known by a multitude of words

Eccl 5:3 KJV. 

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#3 Consumer Comment

Sad

AUTHOR: Larnot - (United States of America)

What a horrible thing to have happened.

However, I have to agree with the person who said that you should have done your own homework.  No organization is obligated to investigate and report to you (unless you pay them to) the criminal or other history of anyone else.  It ultimately falls back on your choices which brought you to be in that situation.

I feel deep grief that you were deceived by this guy and that you had to go through all that.  There are many, many wolves is sheep's clothing out there and  we all must guard our loved ones and selves from them.
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#4 General Comment

not all pastors are like the one mentioned

AUTHOR: Pastor Will - (United States of America)

 I got my credentials from World Christianship Ministries, I'm very sorry for what happened to the lady in the article.  I have been a Christian since 1986, I attended college to become a Youth Pastor, but had to drop out because of family issues, I've had a strong desire my whole life to minister to people, I was not able to go back to college because of finances, but did get to work with several Christian organizations, in 2010 I send a letter to World Christianship Ministries, and got my ordination papers I'm very proud of that, I have performed two weddings and I'm getting ready to do my third on June 23rd. of this year. 
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#5 General Comment

World Christianship Ministries

AUTHOR: Rick - (USA)

I too, would add my sympathy' s and regrets to the words of the others. I agree with most of the statements made, with few exceptions, one from Joe in Austin.

To quote Joe's statement; "real ministers or rabbis attend REAL seminaries (Christians) or yeshivas ( Rabbis) and they get an education with real degrees for which they study for several years. they are licensed by real ,recognized denominations".

This may be true in a lot of cases, and it may be what most seminaries, Bible schools, and those who worship at the altar of education, would like you to believe, but it is not Biblical in any sense. When 2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV) says "Study to show thyself approved..." It is referring to the Oracles of God.

C. Peter Wagner, the lightening rod professor at Fuller Seminary said, we pick students from colleges to attend our seminaries for the wrong reasons. We select from the highest academic achievers, Then Christian Colleges select their professors for the wrong reasons. They pick from the highest academic achievers, and then the largest churches select their pastors and leadership men/women from the highest academic achievers remaining after Seminaries and Colleges have made their picks. Very little emphasis is placed on their spiritual relationship with Jesus Christ. Wagner suggested that the best way is for seasoned Pastors that were obviously being bless by God to apprentice and disciple new pastors and Church leadership men and women".

When I baptize someone, I do not baptize them in my name, when I perform the services of marriage, burial, or memorial; I perform these services under the Mighty name of God. My instruction manual is the Bible for the technical references, but I will do the service as much as I can to meet the wishes of the Bride and Groom, with the priority on the mandates of Biblical authority and respect for God.

So say you would like to minister to those in jail, and you have a regular job. In our part of the country, you cannot get past the gatekeepers unless you have some kind of credential. This is where the speed bumps occur. You can pull your hair out trying to get your church to 'authorize you to call yourself a chaplain', or you can get a card from some organization like World Christianship Ministries. I think of it as a tool that satisfies Caesars requirements to get past the gatekeeper.

We have the mandate to go in jails and prisons in Matt 25:36. Do you honestly think I should quit my job, and go to Bible School and then seminary for a total of 7 years to fulfill this mandate from Jesus Christ? God bless you if you have the funds and means to go through the whole process, but do not criticize me for going through whatever door the Lord opens for me.

One more thing Joe; you express yourself rather crudely for someone trying to explain the requirements for a minister of God. You also express yourself angrily. Joe, as a writer you can create heat, or light. Now if you create heat, your only reward is you feel better, but if you create light, your reward is a bridge to understanding that you pass on to your readers. As Martha Stewart would say "its a good thing." (((ROR redacted)))

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#6 UPDATE Employee

Sorrow

AUTHOR: Larnot - (United States of America)

What happened to you (the OP) is very sad.  Assuming that all you have stated is 100% true and correct, this is a very tragic situation.  An "out of the blue" attack like this, after years of no indications of any kind of behavior disturbances or violence is puzzling, tragic and screams that this man is likely suffering some sort of mental imbalance.

Having said that, it seems that WCM was just as duped as you were.  Yes, maybe they could and should have done a background check but even then they would have had to disqualify him on his actions in the past.  Many not so nice people changed and became wonderful ministers after they repented and started a new life.  One huge example is Paul of the New Testament.  Paul was a Roman and Jew who persecuted and killed Christians for being Christians, until his remarkable transformation on the road to Damascus.  Paul ended up writing a good majority of the new testament and likely the second most powerful force in young Christianity (behind only Christ himself).

I am ordained by WCM and I run an outreach website and ministry for people addicted to heroin and (especially) their families.  I have been clean for years and years now.  My wife (since my conversion) has known about my past from the first minute I met her.  I would have it no other way.  I do not know how many people have been helped by this ministry I have been blessed with (though it is a substantial number), but I can say that without my unique past, it would not be effective.  I am a former heroin addict and convicted heroin dealer.  I have paid my debt to society and I now pay my debt to humanity everyday by trying to help those who are where I was.

The point is, WCM was just as duped as you were by this man.  Past actions cannot always be an indication of future behavior (though often it ends up as such).  WCM didn't check him out but even if they did, how could they know he was going to do this?  He just may have ended up being another Paul on the road to Damascus.  And not to be mean, but you also (apparently) failed to check out his background before making him an intimate and integral part of your life.  We must take responsibility for our own (in)actions, too.

I sincerely hope you never have to go through something like this ever again. 

Pastor Ed
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#7 Consumer Comment

World Christianship No Worse than Any other

AUTHOR: EEBrown - (United States of America)

Hello,   Iam an ordained minister by way of  World Christianship, and two other " brick & mortar churches.  Background checks are not required and is the choice of the ordaining body. Since ministering is not considered regular "employment" as a secular job would be we can not punish a person for past deeds for which he or she has already been penalized by the law.

As was mentioned before, one must always do their homework before jumping into any person sonal relationship.  Don't blame WCM if you do not. Not only that but, did you check with WCM Before you got envolved with Mr. Right/wrong.

Ernest Brown
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#8 Consumer Comment

Allow Fetal Alcohol damaged adults

AUTHOR: Whisperingsage - (U.S.A.)

I am a Pastor's wife from a properly ordained Pastor in the Independent Fundamental Baptist movement. We are dealing with a very damaged adult man who hasn't the moral sense to tell the truth and use good judgment. He loves to fabricate lies to make himself look big in the eyes of others. He is loud, rude and repetitious in a mentally damaged way. He was ordained by the WCM. He invents stories, and I know because I was there. Whoppers. He likes to brag about going to the bar and drinking beer and talks about how others at the bar say what a great nonhypocrite Pastor he is. When you catch him in a lie and call him on it, he repeats his story loudly and talks over you. When you point out Chaplains shouldn't lie and make up stories, he just repeats his story, loudly. There is obvious damage. His mother has been caring for him 45 years and now is on her deathbed. FASD adults are very stressful. He often doesn't listen to her and is very obsessive/compulsive. She and I have discussed what may be wrong with him and after discussing FASD, she feels that is what happened.
He doesn't know the basics of the Bible. He is very obsessed with carrying around his bagful of communion wafers and wine and oil just so he can be ready to give someone communion. He is very sacraments oriented.
He loves to brag on his Chaplain status and mentions it to any stranger. Claims chaplaincy over the county, even though he has no church and doesn't even have a membership as a follower. They move frequently and have no stability. He calls churches all over the country to keep his mother in prayer, which would seem like a good gesture, but he is OCD about it. He literally is on the phone constantly ( I transport them both to her appointments and at times have to spend 8 hours or more with them at a time).
He announced to my husband one day that another Pastor told him he ought to be my husband's Associate Pastor. I knew in my right mind that Pastor would never do such a thing. When we talked with him, we found we were right. He often attributes spurious statements to others not there as backup of his desires and feelings. He seems to not understand we can talk with each other and find out the truth. He even attributes untrue statements about what I said to my husband, not thinking I guess that we can talk.

My discussion of these things is not to enjoy putting the man down, as he is obviously damaged. There are things he will never be able to learn from or heal from. Brain damage is a lifelong affair.  My point is that this company is giving legitimacy to people without assessing their judgement. 5 minutes in a conversation with this man  will make it obvious to anyone mostly normal, that he is a few bricks short. I find it irresponsible of this company to not assess their students at least in their schoolwork, and if they don't require schoolwork, shame.
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#9 General Comment

Backround checks for wwc

AUTHOR: Rev. John - (United States of America)

As a minister ordained by wwc, I can tell you that we have requested backround checks for ministers of the wwc and ulc churches. I am sincerely sorry to hear what you went though from your boyfriend. It never should have happened. Many wwc and ulc churches are run as independant churches. Here, in Maine we run backround checks on everyone involved in our church and have done so for five years.

There are minister associations in each state which police member clergy. I would suggest you contact your local group and explain your situation. Here, in Maine we do not want a minister doing what your boyfriend did to you. God Bless you.

Rev. John

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#10 Consumer Comment

Blame him not the Organization

AUTHOR: orilady - (Canada)

I am becoming an ordained minister with this organization in order to officiate at my friends wedding. I am a strong christian, so this organization was the best fit.


I understand that you are hurt and angry, but it is not the organizations fault that this man was the way he was and hurt you. The fact is, violent, mean, and self concerned people come in all packages, police officers, firemen, nurses, doctors, philanthropists, mayors congressmen, teachers, mothers, fathers, childcare workers and yes even priests, pastors and the like.


The thing is, that some people want to be married in an informal way but still with God present, not in a church. That is what ordained ministers are great for. Priests, Pastors, especially in the catholic church and presbetyryan church have to learn so  much, devote their lives to God and live their lives by the teachings of Jesus. Still, even some of them fail. It is their failure, not the churchs, not the organizations.


the ministry you describe believe in ordaining anyone, so that they feel confident and have resource opportunities to further their christian faith and share and spread the christian faith. Granted yes, it is not regulated, however, this organization as well as most religious and non denominational mail or online ordination groups do have a policy to revoke a persons membership and ministry liscence if they do not follow the values of the organization or break local laws.  By providing them with your police report as well as any others which are also availble to you under the freedom of information act, I am sure they will revoke his certification and he will not be in good standing with the clerical assembly.

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#11 Author of original report

Update On World Christtianship Ministries

AUTHOR: Darlina - (U.S.A.)

I read all the comments from a lot of people, but I have not recieved any comments from World Christianship Ministries. I want to thank everyone who wrote and those who understand that it is NEVER ok to beat on anyone who you are married to, or ect. I will say ONCE AGAIN, that World Christianship Ministries has NO RIGHT to pass out legal ordain papers to everyone who pays them! I wrote this in 2006 and it took years for anyone to even comment. I just want to let everyone know, that I have been with a true Christian man since Jan. 2007 and Jan.17th 2010 will be our 3rd anniversay. We are VERY happy, together, and he knows how to treat people. He shows me true, real love! For all those who have wished me well, ''I want to thank you, very much!'' For all you others, all I have to say is, ''You must be wife beaters or husband beaters, yourselves! SHAME ON YOU!'' Happy New Year to all of you! It is FOR SURE, that I am happy! God be with you all!
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#12 Consumer Comment

THEY DONT NEED TO DO BACK GROUND CHECKS!

AUTHOR: wwjdcds - (United States of America)

I came across this womens complaint and had to comment for normally I would just ignore a complaint like this. BUT this one I can not!

First what part of the beat did World Christianship Ministries do??? Did they stand there and hit her??? Did they tell her boy friend or what ever to do it??? NO they did not it was not their fault and they have done nothing wrong PERIOD!! She is pointing the blame at them just because they are a CHRISTIAN organization who just happened to give this bad man a CERTIFICATE! THEY DID NOT DO ANYTHING ELSE! They do not need to do BACK GROUND CHECKS for that! She is a very stupid person for her way of thinking!! Remember women you go after Christian's you are not going after them or hurting them YOUR going after GOD and hurting YOURSELF!

World Christianship Ministries keep giving those Certificates out and helping ministries for those that cant afford to go to College to obtain the obtainable just to help other with the word of God, feed the homeless, help womens shelters, or what ever. This women has me very upset and I will pray for her ignorance.

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Ministers SHOULD have accountability

AUTHOR: soberminded - (USA)

I would like to say (in response to Gods child) that although I agree that we must preserve our religious freedoms it is also important to guard the integrity of the Christian faith.  It is not Biblical to just roll out ministry credentials to "just anyone" without on-going accountability. 

There are other reputable organizations (like the World Council of Independent Christian Churches) who take a strong stance for religious freedom (globally not just in America) but also require background checks for all licensed and ordained members.  They are accredited, they maintain a public statement of faith and require Christian ministers to adhere to a Code of Ethics.  They are also very affordable and make ministry credentials available to any qualified Christian who is truly called.    

Being an ordained minister is a leadership position within the church and ministers have the ability to do great good as well as great harm.  Although Jesus disciples did not attend formal training they spent 3 years of preparation and discipleship with the Master Himself before being released into their ministries.   

Although it is probably true that the majority of WCMs ministers are good people I believe that there is a degree of accountable to issuing leadership credentials to people who may not be qualified or suitable for leadership at all. 

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World Christianship Ministries is NOT to blame!

AUTHOR: God''s Child - (USA)

In response to this rip off report I would like to add my comments: I share in expressing sadness and sympathy to the woman who was victimized by her ex-boyfriend / lover; this man will be held accountable by God for his terrible actions.

However I would like to make it VERY clear that World Christianship Ministries is NOT TO BLAME for this incident.  I understand that there are many people who may be uncomfortable with the fact that WCM will ordain any Christian into the ministry.  They do not ordain "just anyone."  They will ordain those who profess a Biblical faith in Christ and believe they are called by God into the ministry.  This is actually an amazingly good thing!  This is called RELIGIOUS FREEDOM and is the cornerstone upon which our great country was founded on.  Those who hate our religious freedom won't understand what we have until the day all their freedoms are stripped away - or more importantly when their life is over and the day comes for them to give account before God Almighty. 

We have Constitutional rights to pursue religious freedom without government interference (i.e. separation of church and state)!  Naturally with those freedoms comes the possibility that someone may abuse that freedom.  But even God gives us the power of free choice.  The answer is not in stripping away our inalienable rights.  When that happens, America will cease to be what God created her to be.

Religious freedom was not free - it cost our forefathers and many patriots their lives.  This is an awesome right and privilege that WCM has stepped up to preserve in our nation.  They should be commended for upholding religious freedom and making legal ordination accessible to ALL Christians.

WCM is NOT in the ordination business just for the money!  They charge a one-time, affordable fee to help Christians become ordained.  And they are 100% legal under federal law.  Sorry to all the haters - but God and Christianity is not going to just leave you alone and go away.  Christians have charged by God to proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ and share his love; but sometimes love is a tough love.   

I believe that this rip off report is simply slanderous.  I also have to agree that more discernment should have been used by Dee in Dallas regarding the man she was in love with for almost 3 years.  We should never believe in or date somebody just because they are a card-carrying minister.  We are responsible for our own choices.  Did she pray and get direction from God on if she should be with him?  My guess is probably not.  But if she did (and God showed her that he was the one) is it really right to blame WCM?          

Of course we should all use caution and discernment in our dealings with others.  But making it tougher to receive an ordination will not guarantee that that a bad minister will never show their true colors.  And just because WCM makes it simple doesn't mean that it is a rip off or scam.  I'm confident history will prove that the majority of WCM's ministers are well intentioned servants of the Lord Jesus Christ. 
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#15 Consumer Comment

Blame is just an excuse to avoid learning from your mistakes.

AUTHOR: Nikki72 - (U.S.A.)

So to be clear... you were with the "ordained minister" from Sept. 5th 2003 to May 2006.

And in three years you had no clue he was abusive.

Then suddenly he turns into a monster and beats you on Mothers Day about three years later. According to you this guy "without any warning, jumped me and pounded my body" -

so with absolutely zero warning - no argument - no tension - no clue, he just beats you out of the clear blue sky?

And police confirmed that this guy seems to be a chronic woman/wife beater? And although he is a confirmed woman beater - you had no clue in three years?

And you feel "ripped off" by an organization who gives individuals a chance to minister faith to people?

No offense but it seems you are "ripped off" by your own stupidity. Don't get me wrong - falling in love is not something so easily controlled but don't feed anybody that stuff about he was some perfect guy for three years and then he suddenly turned apes**t. And you feel duped because he showed you ministry papers and his actions were less than ministry like.

I wish you did not endure this act as I wish no woman ever had to - but pushing blame instead of being accountable for your own poor choices will just land you in the same predicament later on in life.

A small bit of speculation here but if you were with your "boyfriend" for three years and he had a chance to "jump on you and pound your body" and you mention "rapest" in which I am sure you meant "rapist" - is it safe to say you guys had a sexual relationship? If so - did that not lead to some speculation on your part about his Christian faith which does not subscribe to fornication?

And if you did have a physically intimate relationship with him, does that not reveal your respect for his ordination in the first place - you know aiding and abetting in sin and all that stuff?

I am just trying to say in the most revealing way possible and hopefully you yourself can gain a revelation from this... almost every experience in the world has harbingers or warning signals if you will, of what is to come therefore you are responsible for the outcome of almost every experience you will ever encounter. I am willing to bet that you had warnings and a chance to get out before your boyfriend had a chance to beat you.

I hope that you go over your choices with a fine tooth comb and wise up about your choices in the future instead of stumbling foolishly into a situation and then blaming a third party. I say this because if you do not see what errors "YOU" made you are doomed to repeat them.

And finally remember one little rule that stands true and proven whether you believe in it or not. You will reap what you sow - what goes around does come back around. Think about that before attempting to disgrace the reputation of anyone or any organization before stopping to think whether or not they actually deserve it.
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#16 Consumer Comment

COMMUNICATION

AUTHOR: Stephen - (U.S.A.)

In response to Ramjet

Why can't the world get along? COMMUNICATION

First let me make a few things clear as to what I said in my response, as it appears to me you may not have (OR DON'T WANT TO) read it the way it was written.

(What I said)
1. I genuinely feel sorry for this woman, which was the reason for the I'm sorry part.
And since you're not me, you can't say I do or don't mean it.

2. I pray or if it makes you more comfortable, I hope she contacted the appropriate authorities, filed a police report, and he went to court, and punishment was handed down.

3. If she did these things and punishment was given, Then justice has been served.

4. If she DID NOT contact the appropriate authorities, and did nothing, then shame on her. (Bear in mind that 1. nobody has proof that a crime was committed as it is not posted here or where one might get proof of the crime. 2. by reading her story it sounds as if this man was an A+ man with no warning signs of a problem, and then all of a sudden, one day he freaks. There is not enough info posted for me, you, or anyone else to choose a side. I don't even see how one could even connect WCM to this.)

5. If he did have a problem, I don't see how she wouldn't have known.

6. I do not see where my previous comment was out of line as far legal matters go. So I don't see the justification in your posting but to blast Religious or if I may, People of Faith.

7. You call me and everyone else who may be a Person of FAITH on this posting a ridiculous religious fanatic(s), I do believe (and perceive) that to be a HATE CRIME I will have to look into that.
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#17 Consumer Comment

COMMUNICATION

AUTHOR: Stephen - (U.S.A.)

In response to Ramjet

Why can't the world get along? COMMUNICATION

First let me make a few things clear as to what I said in my response, as it appears to me you may not have (OR DON'T WANT TO) read it the way it was written.

(What I said)
1. I genuinely feel sorry for this woman, which was the reason for the I'm sorry part.
And since you're not me, you can't say I do or don't mean it.

2. I pray or if it makes you more comfortable, I hope she contacted the appropriate authorities, filed a police report, and he went to court, and punishment was handed down.

3. If she did these things and punishment was given, Then justice has been served.

4. If she DID NOT contact the appropriate authorities, and did nothing, then shame on her. (Bear in mind that 1. nobody has proof that a crime was committed as it is not posted here or where one might get proof of the crime. 2. by reading her story it sounds as if this man was an A+ man with no warning signs of a problem, and then all of a sudden, one day he freaks. There is not enough info posted for me, you, or anyone else to choose a side. I don't even see how one could even connect WCM to this.)

5. If he did have a problem, I don't see how she wouldn't have known.

6. I do not see where my previous comment was out of line as far legal matters go. So I don't see the justification in your posting but to blast Religious or if I may, People of Faith.

7. You call me and everyone else who may be a Person of FAITH on this posting a ridiculous religious fanatic(s), I do believe (and perceive) that to be a HATE CRIME I will have to look into that.
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#18 Consumer Comment

COMMUNICATION

AUTHOR: Stephen - (U.S.A.)

In response to Ramjet

Why can't the world get along? COMMUNICATION

First let me make a few things clear as to what I said in my response, as it appears to me you may not have (OR DON'T WANT TO) read it the way it was written.

(What I said)
1. I genuinely feel sorry for this woman, which was the reason for the I'm sorry part.
And since you're not me, you can't say I do or don't mean it.

2. I pray or if it makes you more comfortable, I hope she contacted the appropriate authorities, filed a police report, and he went to court, and punishment was handed down.

3. If she did these things and punishment was given, Then justice has been served.

4. If she DID NOT contact the appropriate authorities, and did nothing, then shame on her. (Bear in mind that 1. nobody has proof that a crime was committed as it is not posted here or where one might get proof of the crime. 2. by reading her story it sounds as if this man was an A+ man with no warning signs of a problem, and then all of a sudden, one day he freaks. There is not enough info posted for me, you, or anyone else to choose a side. I don't even see how one could even connect WCM to this.)

5. If he did have a problem, I don't see how she wouldn't have known.

6. I do not see where my previous comment was out of line as far legal matters go. So I don't see the justification in your posting but to blast Religious or if I may, People of Faith.

7. You call me and everyone else who may be a Person of FAITH on this posting a ridiculous religious fanatic(s), I do believe (and perceive) that to be a HATE CRIME I will have to look into that.
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#19 Consumer Comment

Just another example

AUTHOR: Ramjet - (U.S.A.)

This is just another sorry example of the evil that religion causes in the world. Here is this HOLY person that you should be able to trus and he is a another sick violent person.

And then what happens? Other ridiculous religious fanatics blame the victim. We have no chance of getting along in the world unless we dump religion entirely and start learning how to get along with each other.

Sick!
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#20 Consumer Comment

But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Mat 24:37 (KJV)

AUTHOR: Stephen - (U.S.A.)

Good grief, where do I begin? First off, let me start by saying I am sorry this has happened to you (Darlina Dallas, Texas.)

I pray that you have sought help in solving and/or resolving it. I would think that you filed a police report, and you provided proof to the police that this crime took place and that you went to court and testified against him, and he was found guilty, and punished? If so, Justice has been served, and the person who wronged you was dealt with by the law. If you did none of the above and/or are still with him, shame on you.
Now my only question is this, why attack WCM? Did you attack his parents, his elementary teacher, or anyone else he had contact with in his life that may have contributed to the way he is? Probably not.

I (and many others) have seen many things like this happen every day. Lets face it, the world is full of BAD or EVIL people; men, women, and children alike. Rape, fraud, extortion, murder, un-natural or immoral acts, hate crimes, and any other name that you can give EVIL is being done by ALL WALKS OF LIFE. Pastors ripping off their churches for millions, Police officers using their badges to get and sell drugs, teachers having sex with their students, Law makers all the way up to Presidents involved in Good ole Boy or Secret Society dealings, and just about anything else one may think of. But that doesn't mean that ALL people who hold those positions are like that.

It is my belief and opinion (which I am entitled to) that until we return to God and follow the teachings of His Son Jesus Christ (MY Lord and Savior), things will never change.
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#21 Consumer Suggestion

Fogiveness is Needed!!!

AUTHOR: True Knowledge - (U.S.A.)

It is regrettable terrible event happened to you! WCM is not at fault for your determination that this was the man that God had predestined to be your husband! Your husband or ex alone is accountable to God for the work that he did as a minister. He is also accountable for his criminal activity of violence to the government and ultimately to God. Many a murderer, thief and sinner have been called to ministry and have been ordained without incident. A background check to validate the sins or broken laws of the past doesn't measure one ministerial calling. It seems like you choose this man based on his professed ministerial occupation not his character. It is evident that professional premarital counseling was not involved and it also questionable as to the practicing of your faith in the household. Your anger is misplaced and displaced. There are many false teachers, preachers, pastors, apostles and prophets alike in this world yet we who are in Christ all have some given a measure of discernment. We have been blessed with the Holy Spirit to comfort us, teach us and guide us into biblical truth. How can you now become an agent of the enemy of God by attacking this ministry who's work is done in the name of the Lord God? Do not become angry with this ministry and attack the work of God. If you are a child of God forgive your husband and ask for God's forgiveness for this attack initiated by you against one of God's established ministries. Madam please use this experience to grow in godliness, draw closer to God and have self reflection about who you are in Christ. May God's peace be with you.
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#22 Consumer Suggestion

Catholics are also ordaining Rapists and what not even Jehovah's wittnesses or mormons

AUTHOR: Ed Consumer - (U.S.A.)

Thank you for putting this ad up and letting us know about your bad choice or inocent mistake. That will only lead us to pray for you. I am ordained by WCM.org and have changed thousands of lives. I have videos on youtube about events that were organized by us (families for Christ) and thanks to WCM.ORG I was able to get food from food banks and feed over one thousand families in 2008.

Yes bad publicity does not exist, but imagine all the orphans that are getting help from most of those families thanks to the message, or the homeless that are being helped including the homeless people we helped in a small 5 bedroom home in Reseda California. We were able to put them in bible institutes and get them up to the front line to preach to other homeless and drug addicts in aleys and the streets. Drug addicts were put in rehabilitation centers in Palmdale California. This does not only help us in our commission with God, but also helps the community by minimizing crime.

I was aware that the people in my house could have done something to my family so we moved out as quickly as possible, but they are so grateful and the ministry is still going. (ISAIAH - 58) Now I am in Fort Worth ready to do my part again.

My prayers for you are for God to heal your heart and to help you realize that complaining will not get you too far, but it will help because you would not have realized that there are those who do well. There are good catholic priests and there are good people from other religions, don't let the bad apple ruin the rest of the apples in the basket.

I pray that God blesses you with a good man, and that you can be happy rejoicing in God's word. May God redeem you so you learn to be like Jesus (he did not complaint).

God Bless you all
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#23 Consumer Suggestion

Should This Really Be Listed?

AUTHOR: Tiga - (U.S.A.)

I feel greatly for your plight, but WCM should not be held liable for the actions of a single person. I have been an ordained Reverend for over 15 years through WCM and am none of the things this horrible person was to you. If someone is going to untruthful then they are going to be just that, it is irrelevant who they say they are.

TIGA
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#24 Consumer Comment

Don't condemn this institution for your bad choice

AUTHOR: Kristine - (U.S.A.)

According to this report I don't see where there is a problem with World Christianship Ministries. She choose the GIRLFRIEND beater. The fact that they were not even married after a three year relationship, and if they were intimate, should have told her he was not a true minister. Ministry is a calling and this ministry helps those who cannot afford the outrageous seminary prices to also serve God. You can find wife beaters, thieves, etc, in any seminary, and unfortunately pastoring too many churches, as well as, sitting in the pews. I do not think any seminary does a background check, if you are willing to pay the price you can get in there as well. Read the news many pastors with the most steller of educations have fallen, had affairs, been wife beaters, stolen from their own churches, etc.

Do not judge this ministry based on a poor choice this woman made. The Bible says " You will know them by the fruits they bare." This man had other warning signs she should have heeded. I know this because my first husband was a supposed man of God who also turned into a wife beater. I, like her ignored the other warning signs and choose to look only at what I wanted to see and it nearly cost me my life. I met him at a very respectable Christian facility, and he was a leader. What happened to me is not a reflection of this ministry who has helped many, many people, but rather a reflection of one person who destorted the vision of this ministry, which seems to be the case here as well.

This ministry was also a victim of this man and my prayers go to all parties involved including the man who decieved everyone because he truly needs the Lord Jesus himself.
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#25 Consumer Comment

A QUESTIONABLE INTERNET CHURCH ORDINATION CERTIFICATE DOES NOT A REAL MINISTER MAKE!

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

when someone piously brays that they are a christian and use a fake certificate of ordination claiming to be a minister as a "chick magnet" then you have to know that a RIP OFF will soon follow...

these pompadored, functionally illiteratre dumbasses are nothing more than unsuccessful televangelist psychopaths who think the world owes them a living and they will scam and defraud anybody, anywhere, any time by any and all means necessary.

they are slimebag gigolos who live off of women --just like pimps. they beat up the women and try to intimidate them into giving them money. they like the control that they think a minister;'s license gives them no matter how false that license may be.

these are the same kind of guys that jim jones and charles manson and david koresh and david berg and the serial polygamist people are THEY WANT COMPLETE CONTROL AND THEY LIKE TO BEAT HELL OUT OF YOU AND LET YOU KNOW WHO IS BOSS!

just like the taliban and fundamentalist muslims.

you need to divorce that man because he is a psychipath and he has no feelings for anybody. he plays you so he can live off of your disability checks and anything else he can con steal and intimidate you into giving him or he will just take it.

this is a very dangerous and mentally ill man, there is no cure for the psychiatric illness that he has. he is a psychopath and you do not need any more pain and suffering in your life. he will kill you and never feel sorry.in fact, he won't feel a thing.

divorce this monster if you haven't already.

he is not and never was a real minister.

unless it was in the church of satan and he would never tell you if he was.

this church that is supposed to have ordained him is not a real church. he just applied for the license and got it and maybe he paid for it and maybe he didn't. i have an ordination from another internet church that has been around before there even was an internet and anybody could get ordained as a minister by them.

just because something claims it is a church does not make it a church.
just because somebody claims to be a minister or a clergyman does not make them one.

people are not always what they say they are.

real ministers or rabbis attend REAL seminaries (Christians) or yeshivas ( Rabbis) and they get an education with real degrees for which they study for several years. they are licensed by real ,recognized denominations!

this guy has serious psychiatric problems and you need to get a protective order against him and change the locks on your house and the ignition and door locks on your car and DIVORCE him because these kind of guys can become serial murderers.

you should ALWAYS get a background check on ANYBODY you think you want to marry or get romantically involved with.
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#26 Consumer Comment

Don't Blame Your Bad Marital Relationships on Employers or Other Organizations!

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

Many religious organizations have and will ordain people who have criminal backgrounds or have spent time in prison. It is part of christian beliefs to forgive and believe in redemption. Even Police Officers and FBI Agents have been arrested for engaging in murder, spouse abuse, theft, etc. and they have the most complete background checks. Background checks are not a guarantee of anything.

To their credit, World Christianship Ministries offered to take action based upon credible evidence, a documented police report. All this lady had to do was call up the police and ask how to get a copy and mail it to them. She did not follow through and now she wants to blame the organization.

My recommendation for her is to do her own background check through the local police department before she gets seriously involved in a relationship. It is her responsibility to protect herself, not everyone elses.
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#27 Consumer Suggestion

Do not allow a few bad apples.

AUTHOR: Walk His Way Ministries - (U.S.A.)

I myself was ordained by World Christianship ministries. As I was starting my ministry via mail to inmates. I was approached by another ordained minister. The minister taught me a lot about how to run a ministry.
However, this individual. I later found out is a convicted repeat offender sexual predater. I quickly ended all contact.

There really is nothing that World Christianship Ministries can do. Those ordained by them are there afterward considered independant. And while the individual that you speak of. Is or was ordained by them. He was legally " on his own "

The bad people are everywhere. Even the minister's in a standard church. The few rotten apples spoil it for a lot of people.

God Bless
Rev. Adams
World Christianship - Walk His Way Ministries
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#28 Consumer Suggestion

I Am So Sorry

AUTHOR: Vapor - (U.S.A.)

I am so sorry for what you've gone through. My husband and I have credentials through World Christianship Ministries and it breaks my heart to hear that someone would profess one thing and then reveal another thing behind closed doors. My husband and I would never have sought credentials this way, except that my husband did graduate from Bible college with a Bachelor's in Ministry and I have some credits through Bible college so far. We started the ordainment process through our church, but quickly realized that our zeal for becoming ordained to be used in ministering to God's people, was being taken advantage of by our pastor. His expectations were becoming higher and higher causing us to feel we were doing something wrong by saying no sometimes. This was happening while we were still raising children and caring for a dying parent. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the abuse that was inflicted upon you was because of what was inside of your husband, not World Christianship Church. There are many people who are ordained through many different ministry organizations who are abusers. Even when those organizations put the applicants through intense classes and interviews, the applicants can still be abusers without anyone knowing. They don't put their abusive side on display. Your husband had a problem and he took advantage of whatever authority he thought he had. He obviously was not living by God's Word, and God does not approve of this. If your husband has claimed some sort of authority in the name of the Lord while he was abusive to you, he will be dealt with more severely by God. As the Bible says, "It would be better for him to tie a noose around his neck with a heavy rock on the other end and throw himself into the ocean." Not everyone who seeks to be ordained this way has a bad motive. There are many of us who truly love God's people.
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#29 Author of original report

After 2 Years, NO ONE from World ''SO CALLED'' Christianship Ministries has contacted me!!!!

AUTHOR: Darlina - (U.S.A.)

I, for one, do NOT want our gov. to get involved too much in our freedom of religions, but there HAS TO be some LAWS or something enlisted on EVIL JERKS who use their EVIL MOUTHS to CON people as well as CON church leaders and ministries.....YES YES YES.....I SHALL HOLD ALL these ''so called'' MINISTRIES up for ALL of the sins of the ''preachers'' or ''whatever'' they ORDAIN.....SORRY, PEEPS.....THE MINISTRIES SHOULD DO THEIR RESEARCH ,1ST, BEFORE giving creeps and loosers LEGAL PAPERS! Otherwise, our gov. will be FORCED to get ''involved''.....LISTEN UP, MINISTRIES......DO YOUR HOMEWORK, so you cannot be sued or worse yet, be overtaken by our gov. with more laws!!!!!!!
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#30 Consumer Suggestion

IM SORRY BUT

AUTHOR: Shawnee - (U.S.A.)

IM SORRY THAT THIS HAPPENED TO YOU BUT YOU DID THE SAME THING IT WOULD SEEM. YOU SEE THE COMPANY IS NOT TO BLAME THAT YOU CHOSE TO GET INVOLVED WITH SOMEONE THAT HAD BEEN APPART OF THAT GROUP. YOU DIDNT DO YOUR PART TO LOOK INTO HIS BACKGROUND. ACTUALY PEOPEL CAN LIE ABOUT ALL KINDS OF THINGS. ITS NOT THAT MINISTIES FAULT. STOP TRYING TO BLAME OTHERS. IN THIS DAY IN AGE YOU NEED TO DO YOUR OWN HOME WORK. YOU DONT LET A CONTRACTOR DO WORK FOR YOU WITH OUT CHECKING WITH THE BBB AND ALSO WITH THE STATE TO SEE IF HE IS LICENCED OR NOT..

IF I CHOSE TO BE APART OF A MINISTRY OR BUSINESS OR SOMEONES LIFE.. I DONT JUST TAKE SOMEONES WORD FOR IT.. I CHECK IT OUT. ITS NOT THAT HARD.
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