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  • Submitted: Tue, January 30, 2007
  • Updated: Thu, September 18, 2008

  • Reported By:Chicago Illinois
Yourtravelbiz.com
1901 E. Edwardsville Road Wood River, Illinois U.S.A.

YTB.com ,Yourtravelbiz.com Travel buisness try a pyramid scheme MLM scam Wood River Illinois

*Consumer Comment: Stick to the Facts! JIM!!!

*Consumer Comment: YourTravelBiz.Com Has Very Negative Rating From BBB/Avoid Their MLM Bogus Claims

*UPDATE Employee: Naafeesha!

*UPDATE Employee: Real info on YTB

*UPDATE Employee: PLEASE DON'T WASTE YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY!

*Author of original report: The truth about what people make with YTB

*Consumer Comment: Bottom line numbers

*UPDATE Employee: YTB rip off . no way

*Consumer Comment: Interesting Info on YTB

*Consumer Comment: Interesting Info on YTB

*Consumer Comment: Interesting Info on YTB

*Consumer Comment: Interesting Info on YTB

*Author of original report: Re: To Deborke and Smooth Traveler

*Consumer Comment: YTB is awesome! Don't get mad, sell travel!

*Consumer Comment: YTB is awesome! Don't get mad, sell travel!

*Consumer Comment: YTB is awesome! Don't get mad, sell travel!

*Consumer Comment: Your statements are incorrect, the record must be set straight. YTB is just fine.

*UPDATE Employee: Attitude

*Consumer Comment: To YTB supporters...

*Consumer Suggestion: If YTB is not MLM, why did Royal Caribbean pull their contract?

*Consumer Comment: Its not a Scam, if so all companies are in some way or form....

*Consumer Comment: YTB = You're Totally Broke because it's just another MLM = Make Little Money Recruitment Scam

*Consumer Suggestion: YourTravelBiz Has Very Negative Rating From BBB/Avoid Their MLM Bogus Claims

*Author of original report: Re: Phobialoser's comment

*Consumer Comment: Read This

*UPDATE Employee: Additional rebuttal to Nafeesah Chicago

*Author of original report: Response to T Maumee's comment

*Consumer Comment: YTB Legitimate

*Consumer Comment: YTB Legitimate

*Consumer Comment: YTB Legitimate

*Consumer Comment: YTB Legitimate

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YTB or Yourtravelbiz.com is a buisness based out of Edwardsville, IL. This is a buisness you can become a "part" of and to become a part of it you have to be brought in under someone and you're going to shell out about $500 initially invest into the buisness,-that right there will make someone want to run since that's a lot of money for some people and a lot of people don't want to give up that kind of cash to invest in a buisness such as this one.

Then you have to shell out an additional $175 for their training session to become an RTA(Representing Travel Agent) and that doesnt include a $50 a month website maintenance fee. You do the math how much do you think that comes out to? 675(initial $500 set up and $175 training fee cost) + $600(total cost to maintain website for one full year paid in $50 installments)comes to about $1275-that's a lot of money to invest into a business especially if you don't have that kind of money.

I feel this isnt a legitimate buisness because you have to spend a lot of valuable time drumming up clients into the buisness to really make anything and that could be time you could put into a business with a reputation to generate a legitimate income without the MLM(Multi level marketing) or pyramid scheme tactics. The $1275 total cost for this buisness is too much money and if you don't get the turnout you want you're out of $1275.

It's not worth it and if you want to get into legitimate buisness for yourself spend some time doing a lot of research on buisnesses or organizations make sure they're not appearing on this site or have complaints against them with consumer advocate groups or the better buisness bureau before you invest anything over $500 to start a buisness.

YTB isnt even a real buisness if they can't get a real website with legitimate contact information such as a phone number and working company email and a directory list to show people the different departments to speak to the appropriate person to deal with specific issues. Take your money and dreams of starting a business elsewhere this is a joke seriously.

Nafeesah
Chicago, Illinois
U.S.A.

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#1 Consumer Comment

Stick to the Facts! JIM!!!

AUTHOR: Observer - (U.S.A.)

Everything that you said sounds totally ignorant...you must have graduated from the school of racists'...If this is Nafeeshas' opinon on the company then that's what it is...there is no need for the extras...if anything all you need to do is prove her wrong, but instead you get defensive and make everything that she said about the company sound TRUE!!! due to the fact that you work for them (so you say).


Noone else had ignorant remarks like you...so go back to your scam of a business and prove to the world that this company is actually what it says it is. But don't act like an idiot and start making comments about a person that you don't even know.

You make the company look worst just from the things that you say out of your nasty mouth!!! I would'nt want you working for me...you'd probably run the consumers away. You probably shouldn't tell anyone else that you are an employee, of course an employee is going to stick up for the Boss, and yes you are an employee anytime you only make real money by selling a website to someone else...you work for them not yourself...Just wait until your one of the people on the news crying about how poor little Jim got ripped off.

Is the BBB not telling the truth?? since they keep saying that this company is most likely a scam of some sort...Prove it....just Prove it..ALL of the other comments of yours must come from you watching your wife sit her lazy obese butt on the couch all day...you sound really bothered by this...go talk to a shrink...or better yet go and plan a VACATION with YTB and get a better job when you grab a hold of reality and see this company for what it is....you sound upset because if you can't get any more recruits your screwed...lol...sounds like you wanna sit on a couch and eat dorito's and drink some 20/20 all day...you Racist!!!
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#2 Consumer Comment

YourTravelBiz.Com Has Very Negative Rating From BBB/Avoid Their MLM Bogus Claims

AUTHOR: Spongebob - (U.S.A.)

You're absolutely right!! If anyone has any doubts about what an MLM scamming piece of garbage YTB is, you can check out the BBBs negative rating on this complete sham of an operation!! There only goal as MLM scum is to recruit as many gullable suckers as they can into their trash, waste of money business!! Please don't be fooled or sweet-talked by some thieving YTB sales-hole!!
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#3 UPDATE Employee

Naafeesha!

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Where can you buy your own company for less than $500.00, and then expect not to put in anything more, like no time, no money, no nothing and expect to have any type of clients? You thought that everyone would be beating down your door for your services, so you did not get off the couch, did not put that bag of Doritos down and turn off the TV to help yourself, did you?
Have you ever hear the expression, "It takes money to make money"? It also takes dedication, time and some times your fat butt to get off of the couch!

Tell me what business can you pay $500.00 to start, not pay anything else or do nothing for it and expect to be a millionaire over night?
You think YTB is a rip-off because you are a loser and will never succeed at anything because you expect everything to be handed to you!
If you put in your TV, Dorito eating, Mad Dog 20/20 drinking time into your business, you might have made some money back.
Enough said!
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#4 UPDATE Employee

Real info on YTB

AUTHOR: Williamhpeso - (U.S.A.)

For people who just post comments and don't really look into the business, this post is for you. I just started with YTB and invested my hard earned $. This is a company who deals in something everyone does at least once a year, travel. Who do you know who doesn't take at least one trip? If you know one person, you can make money. And to respond to the 50 dollar a month fee, once you get 6 people on your team, you never pay the 50 fee EVER AGAIN, just like in life, nothing is easy, you have to work for it. If you're lazy, you're not gonna make any $ and you're gonna feel like you wasted $. You get out of it what you put into it and I'm gonna put a lot into!
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#5 UPDATE Employee

PLEASE DON'T WASTE YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY!

AUTHOR: C.c. - (U.S.A.)

I know that starting a traditional business takes anywhere from $500,000 to a million dollars, but YTB is supposed to be a network marketing venture designed with focus on the common working family.

I have become a victim and it is true my sponsor left out a lot of things.

Network marketing gives working class families hope and a way out. This company does not pay enough in commissions to make sense to the average working family.

The $1275 needed to get going is a lot to a family that is living pay check to pay check.

Let's face it many of us are. I was so disappointed when I found out that if I recruited one of my friends and got them to pay the $499.00 start up fee my commission from that was only going to be $50.00.

That is a rip off. Plain and simple.

I also found that I get paid a percentage of the percentage that YTB gets on flights and hotels.

That is crazy. A % of the % that they get?

So if they get 30% of $100, which is $30 how much do I get?

If they gave me $20 it wouldn't be worth it.

I also agree with everyone who has stated that there is no way of contacting the company on the website.

I have had to go through my sponsor on tooo many occasions to get this secret number that they safeguard.

Even on the RTA web site there is no way of contacting the company.

That is a super red flag.

If you make less than $50,000 a year don't buy into the empty promises of this company. you can't afford for it not to work for you.

If you make less than $50,000 a year this will ultimately take food from your childrens mouths, take gas from your car, and may even make your bank account bounce once or twice.

There is just not enough money on the table to make this a viable opportunity for a working class family.

If you make over $50,000 knock yourself out, you probably won't miss the $49.99 a month. You probably won't feel the hit of the $499 start up fee when the business doesn't yield the results that your sponsor promised.

You also probably won't feel like there were better ways that you could have spent that money.

I know that I feel like I could have stocked my refridgerator, freezer, and cabinets with food for my kids.

I could have used that money as part of down payment for a new car.

I could have spent the money on another business with better commissions.

Just find a company with a good product and great commissions. This one is not it.
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#6 Author of original report

The truth about what people make with YTB

AUTHOR: Mandi - (U.S.A.)

Here's the link to their Income Disclosure Statement for 2007
http://www.ytb.com/downloads/YTB_IncomeDisclosure_2-8-08.pdf

As you can see the majority of the reps are not earning much income at all.

"The income statistics above are for all active U.S. YTB Reps who were eligible to earn compensation in 2007. An Active Rep is defined as Any Rep who received
a check in 2007. The average annual income for all Reps in 2007 was $299.95, and the median annual income for all Reps in 2007 was $97.00. In 2007, 80.92%
of all Reps received no income at all."
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#7 Consumer Comment

Bottom line numbers

AUTHOR: Spartan - (U.S.A.)

Here's the bottom line.

The company earns only 14% OF TOTAL REVENUE OFF OF ACTUALLY SELLING TRAVEL.

The company earns about 70% of total revenue off of selling the websites and monthly fee's. (AKA Signing people up)

See the report of the companys own financial statement on file with the SEC.

Go to the SEC website (http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/852766/000114420407061577/v093661_10qsb.htm) and look at their financial report.

If you look at their revenues, you can clearly see that they earned most of their money by selling their websites. About 28 million in three months. What did they earn in the travel that they sold? About 6 million. In other words, only about 14 percent of their total revenue.

I have yet to find one person that can expalin this to me logically.
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#8 UPDATE Employee

YTB rip off . no way

AUTHOR: Paul Macleod - (U.S.A.)

It is amazing how a few people can report as experts on a business in the most out rageous negative way and expect other people to believe this foolishness.
I would only suggest that, as with movie critics, if you have not gone to the movie, it seems to me that there would be no intelligent way to submit a a summary of your experience.

I personally have been involved in a number of net work marketing business' let me list a couple for you.
1. Ingersoll - Rand Co. one of the largest capital equipment co's in the world
2. Stockholm Valve Co. at one time a leader world wide in the industrial valve business
3. I owned and operated a pizza business ( talk about net working whew)
4. I am now a real estate agent in Florida. the height of net working
5. and I am a YTB RTA, also a net work marketing Co.

All of these business' are sharing the same business model, it cost me way less to be a YTB rep than it did with my pizza business' and the income potential is a hundred times better. Do I have to work, answer is of course. I tell people about the business, if the model makes sense to them, good if not, also good. What's the beef?

It is the American way. Freedom of choice, lot's of folks are doing very well with YTB some are not.

There were lot's of pizza business' in my areal some did great others closed their doors. Does this mean the pizza business is a rip off?

Come on folks.. if you don't like the business model stay out of the business. If you want a free ride go on wellfare.

But don't scream rip off if you have not seen the movie.

You have the choice of doing whatever you want. Because I think that one business is not for me and another is ,doesn't mean I think all but mine are rip offs.

That is foolish.

If it works for some people but not all, that means it is exactly what you would expect. 20% of the people do 80 % of work.

If you want to part of the 80% that doesn't get it, well that's ok , your choice.

Jim Rohn correctly states that there are some things that " just are" don't ask why, they just are... if you think you can change someone you would be wrong.

So, just say this " isn't that interesting " and then move on.

Exactly what I am now doing. My family and I think YTB is a very excellent opportuinity to do very very well. All the trends are in place, never has this happened before in business.

When three things happen in a market that are growth indicators , thinking people take a very hard look.

Barry Diller did just that when he bought an on-line travel business for tons of money in 2003, maybe you have heard of it... expedia

If you want to know the real story www.ytb.com/mooseandgatortravel
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#9 Consumer Comment

Interesting Info on YTB

AUTHOR: Cookie Monstrer - (U.S.A.)

Just some comments I have regarding YTB. They appear to fit the definition (FTC) of a pyramid scheme since the vast majority of the income comes from recruiting. Nearly 80%.

While there are no current numbers available, the vast majority of RTAs and Reps eaarn nothing, yet these are the folks that are paying in the money to keep them afloat.

They have been terminated by Royal Caribbean, Celebrtity, Azamara, Perillo and some others. IATAN has also stripped their endorsement. They have alaigned themselkves with a Chinese travel agency that is not approved by the US Tour Operators Association to sell tours for the Olympics. My fear is that many will take part of this program anbd be disappointed when going to China. With no method of rebuttasl. As someone said, the booking sites offer no means to contact anyone.

Tyhere are two interesting bllogs on the situation and you can make your own decision, but I would be aware before investing 25 cents into the program much less a few grand.

The pro YTB blog is http://travel-pro.blogspot.com
The anti YTB blog is http://notravelmlms.blogspot.com
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#10 Consumer Comment

Interesting Info on YTB

AUTHOR: Cookie Monstrer - (U.S.A.)

Just some comments I have regarding YTB. They appear to fit the definition (FTC) of a pyramid scheme since the vast majority of the income comes from recruiting. Nearly 80%.

While there are no current numbers available, the vast majority of RTAs and Reps eaarn nothing, yet these are the folks that are paying in the money to keep them afloat.

They have been terminated by Royal Caribbean, Celebrtity, Azamara, Perillo and some others. IATAN has also stripped their endorsement. They have alaigned themselkves with a Chinese travel agency that is not approved by the US Tour Operators Association to sell tours for the Olympics. My fear is that many will take part of this program anbd be disappointed when going to China. With no method of rebuttasl. As someone said, the booking sites offer no means to contact anyone.

Tyhere are two interesting bllogs on the situation and you can make your own decision, but I would be aware before investing 25 cents into the program much less a few grand.

The pro YTB blog is http://travel-pro.blogspot.com
The anti YTB blog is http://notravelmlms.blogspot.com
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#11 Consumer Comment

Interesting Info on YTB

AUTHOR: Cookie Monstrer - (U.S.A.)

Just some comments I have regarding YTB. They appear to fit the definition (FTC) of a pyramid scheme since the vast majority of the income comes from recruiting. Nearly 80%.

While there are no current numbers available, the vast majority of RTAs and Reps eaarn nothing, yet these are the folks that are paying in the money to keep them afloat.

They have been terminated by Royal Caribbean, Celebrtity, Azamara, Perillo and some others. IATAN has also stripped their endorsement. They have alaigned themselkves with a Chinese travel agency that is not approved by the US Tour Operators Association to sell tours for the Olympics. My fear is that many will take part of this program anbd be disappointed when going to China. With no method of rebuttasl. As someone said, the booking sites offer no means to contact anyone.

Tyhere are two interesting bllogs on the situation and you can make your own decision, but I would be aware before investing 25 cents into the program much less a few grand.

The pro YTB blog is http://travel-pro.blogspot.com
The anti YTB blog is http://notravelmlms.blogspot.com
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#12 Consumer Comment

Interesting Info on YTB

AUTHOR: Cookie Monstrer - (U.S.A.)

Just some comments I have regarding YTB. They appear to fit the definition (FTC) of a pyramid scheme since the vast majority of the income comes from recruiting. Nearly 80%.

While there are no current numbers available, the vast majority of RTAs and Reps eaarn nothing, yet these are the folks that are paying in the money to keep them afloat.

They have been terminated by Royal Caribbean, Celebrtity, Azamara, Perillo and some others. IATAN has also stripped their endorsement. They have alaigned themselkves with a Chinese travel agency that is not approved by the US Tour Operators Association to sell tours for the Olympics. My fear is that many will take part of this program anbd be disappointed when going to China. With no method of rebuttasl. As someone said, the booking sites offer no means to contact anyone.

Tyhere are two interesting bllogs on the situation and you can make your own decision, but I would be aware before investing 25 cents into the program much less a few grand.

The pro YTB blog is http://travel-pro.blogspot.com
The anti YTB blog is http://notravelmlms.blogspot.com
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#13 Author of original report

Re: To Deborke and Smooth Traveler

AUTHOR: Nafeesah - (U.S.A.)

To respond to these two individuals YTB is a joke because someone here posted something saying that YTB lost a contract with a major cruise company which should say a lot for the fact that YTB isnt all what it's cracked up to be. They're also listed with the Better Buisness Bureau and other consumer websites so the more YTB supporters keep coming to the defense the more the truth is going to keep being revealed. It's a joke and I'll keep saying it's a joke and for anyone reading this to do their homework before getting involved because once you do and something financially happens it's a headache to get it straightened out since when I got signed up the person who I came under didnt tell me how much time you got until you can quit without a huge deal. She obviously didnt tell me in fear of losing her commission of bringing people aboard. It's MLM at it's finest people wake up and smell the coffee on this one. Again YTB is a joke.
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#14 Consumer Comment

YTB is awesome! Don't get mad, sell travel!

AUTHOR: Smooth Travel - (U.S.A.)

I don't have to tell you what I make, that is none of your business!

Know this...The bonuses are real. The profit sharing is real. the free 100% health care coverage is real. the 100.000.00 life insurance plan is real, the 1000.00, 10,000.00, 50,000.00, 100,000.00, 500,000.00, and 1,000,000.00 bonuses are REAL.

Hey how cool is it to make enough extra money that you can give a third of your money up for taxes and the 2/3 left is more than enough to live on, what a blessing.

Sure you have to qualify for all of these perks by working your business, but what other company on earth makes it possible to achieve this. When is teh last time you were offered all of these perks in your job?......That's what I thought.

So stop gossiping now and either join YTB or go back to your "real" 9-5 job and let us be happy.

YTB isn't going anywhere but in front of the pack.
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#15 Consumer Comment

YTB is awesome! Don't get mad, sell travel!

AUTHOR: Smooth Travel - (U.S.A.)

I don't have to tell you what I make, that is none of your business!

Know this...The bonuses are real. The profit sharing is real. the free 100% health care coverage is real. the 100.000.00 life insurance plan is real, the 1000.00, 10,000.00, 50,000.00, 100,000.00, 500,000.00, and 1,000,000.00 bonuses are REAL.

Hey how cool is it to make enough extra money that you can give a third of your money up for taxes and the 2/3 left is more than enough to live on, what a blessing.

Sure you have to qualify for all of these perks by working your business, but what other company on earth makes it possible to achieve this. When is teh last time you were offered all of these perks in your job?......That's what I thought.

So stop gossiping now and either join YTB or go back to your "real" 9-5 job and let us be happy.

YTB isn't going anywhere but in front of the pack.
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#16 Consumer Comment

YTB is awesome! Don't get mad, sell travel!

AUTHOR: Smooth Travel - (U.S.A.)

I don't have to tell you what I make, that is none of your business!

Know this...The bonuses are real. The profit sharing is real. the free 100% health care coverage is real. the 100.000.00 life insurance plan is real, the 1000.00, 10,000.00, 50,000.00, 100,000.00, 500,000.00, and 1,000,000.00 bonuses are REAL.

Hey how cool is it to make enough extra money that you can give a third of your money up for taxes and the 2/3 left is more than enough to live on, what a blessing.

Sure you have to qualify for all of these perks by working your business, but what other company on earth makes it possible to achieve this. When is teh last time you were offered all of these perks in your job?......That's what I thought.

So stop gossiping now and either join YTB or go back to your "real" 9-5 job and let us be happy.

YTB isn't going anywhere but in front of the pack.
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#17 Consumer Comment

Your statements are incorrect, the record must be set straight. YTB is just fine.

AUTHOR: Smooth Travel - (U.S.A.)

To respectully correct everything you say above: $499.00 covers a one-time sign up fee(not yearly renewals like other MLMs) for life and 1st months maintainence. Subsequent monthly 49.95 Maintainence fees include: web hosting for your very own travel booking site, (very nice by the way), back office and personal travel portal, archived training calls from the last 3 years for cruise training, business training, non-profit info, updates, travel provider insight, updated company info, business tracking, income tracking/history, downloads, marketing tools and info, certification forms and extra training info to touch on a small part of it, there is so much more. Not to mention the strength of a team leader in your upline waiting to help you...seriously!

To start up my little non-travel business 13 years ago I invested 15,000.00 in tools alone to start working, and it took 2 years of hard work to make enough profit to pay that back.

Conversely, the profit potential for your very own private labelled YTB site is way higher in a shorter time with either business plan YTB offers. Initial investment can be recovered in a short time with only a couple cruises being booked on your travel portal. How bad can that be?

Yes, for more money, you can purchase added certification, which is 149.95 for travel certification classes, and/or 99.95 for association/non profit business classes. THey are each full day seminars at many different local's nationwide. You are TRAINED to be a professional in the travel industy, plus the industry and YTB will show you how to run your travel business even better to serve your consumer. Pretty inexpensive for a full days company training if you ask me when some companies can charge much more for the same courses, and you can re-take teh classes again for free to make sure you get it all covered. Very gracious of the crew at YTB to do this for their RTAs. Scam, I don't think so.

And really, why shouldn't this be required to be a real travel pro? You can't expect to be a professional the day you purchase your travel booking site, which is why YTB runs the booking engine FOR you in the event you decide to simply direct people to your site to make some comission sales, that will still make you money if you put some effort into it, which is true for any business if it is to work. Business cards and a friendly smile, both provided for free by the way through your back office.

It is up to each individual who wishes to join to ask questions and get informed BEFORE you pay the 500.00. Since this isn't for everyone, it would be foolish to believe you can sit back and get money for nothing. YTB does not promote this or practice such a deception. If a company like YTB is to remain successful and honest they must require you be educated before you are handed a CLIA, IATA, or CRTA credential, which they do require. Starting in 2008 they are making sure all RTAs in all 50 states go through their training to get the higher credentials they helped pass that law in CA. to keep high standards growing. That is a commitment to quality as opposed to a card mill, which YTB is not.

Now check this out, if you choose to participate in their relationship marketing as well, the company will reimburse your 49.95 monthly fee after only referring 6 people to the business, that is also very gracious of them. So now your business is free, you have shared this gift with 6 people and you have more than likely either saved money on your own travel and made some comissions back , or helped someone find out how easy it is to book travel on YOUR site! Pretty nice compared to the faceless booking engines out there I think.

In addition, this is NOT a pyramid! Since they are illegal and YTB is a publicly traded company, which a pyramid can't be. You only fail if you don't try, and you may have failed at YTB for a lack of trying, or at the very least, an inability to look, listen, and learn. I would be happy to show you the right way to do it if you want to give it a try again.

I joined this thread to tell the facts and make sure anyone who reads your statements will, immediataly after, read mine. I do not speak for YTB directly as an employee, but I do know, as an RTA, that the things I stated here are true and can be confirmed.

Don't get mad, sell travel! Want to see what it is all about? Visit my website
www.smoothtravelforyou.com and click on the company presentation tab or at least check to see if you can save money on travel with my booking engine. Happy travels!
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#18 UPDATE Employee

Attitude

AUTHOR: Debourke - (U.S.A.)

This company has totally changed my outlook on life. You are required to find 6 people INTERESTED in it. There is no pressure put on you and after you have your downline, you no longer pay for the monthly website and are reimbursed your initial fees through bonuses. If you don't have the ability to contact your friends that travel alot...........don't get in it. They only want people whose lifestyle needs changing and who want to travel and enjoy the world. Cannot believe this person even bothered complaining when HE is the problem, not the company.
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#19 Consumer Comment

To YTB supporters...

AUTHOR: Terence - (U.S.A.)

I feel sorry for you.

For "T" of Maumee, OH, who's in it "only a few months".

For "Steve" of Lakeland, FL and "Noah" of Orlando, FL, are you two the same person?

For "Phobialoser" of Northglenn, CO, who claims not to "like their products" yet claims to know "YTB reps that make legitimate incomes".

I challenge all you above-mentioned business 'experts' to tell us how much revenue you are generating through YTB. How much goes into your pocket, and how much goes to the higher-ups in commissions? Since I have not seen one shred of detail in any of your postings of revenues/incomes/profits, I'm inclined to believe either there isn't any or they are insignificant.

Any one that wants to start a business does not need to go through YTB to do it. If you have start-up capital and contacts or clientle, you can proceed. You don't have to enroll in a concept to get there.

Legitimate businesses define in detail what they do and what their end product/service. MLM such as YTB does not give any specifics whatsoever except to emphasize (and re-emphasize) "maximum earning potential", "unlimited wealth", etc. Basically, people that join the program are in it to make lots of money in as less time as possible. You'll be better off finding something (or calling) that you love doing and do it for life. It brings greater rewards, tangible and intangible, than doing it only for in the hopes of making lots of money.
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#20 Consumer Suggestion

If YTB is not MLM, why did Royal Caribbean pull their contract?

AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)

YTB has been identified by Royal Caribbean and others in the travel business as nothing more that a MLM card mill. Pretty soon they won't have anything to "sell" other than the pyramid opportunity. Watch this group like a hawk before spending money.
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#21 Consumer Comment

Its not a Scam, if so all companies are in some way or form....

AUTHOR: Noah - (U.S.A.)

Hey, I've looked into other small businesses like S.M.C., it did not work for me, you have nobody but inventory. I've tried to do a franchise but you need x amounts of money and it's expensive if you ask me. You really want to look at YTB as a rip off company, then look at all business as rip off companies, because you have these big time corporate men and woman making big money and people that you call employees working for these big time corporate men and woman make what $10.00 an hour while multi million dollar items are being sold at a time, just so that you can make these corporate professionals even richer, while you donate your time away from family, friends, fun, etc.

Come on, you only spend $500.00 as your initial setup fee and $45.00 a month for a maintenance fee that's only $551.40 a yr. OH, lets include the setup fee - $1,051.41. That's about the same amount that comes out your pay check per year for taxes. Mind you, anything you do for this business is a tax write off and they give you $6,000 back if your having trouble marketing yourself. How many travels agents out there are doing the same thing. Look at real estates how are you making money off your house that is just sitting there called equity, sounds good, however, your house, you can now sell it for almost twice as what is worth, that sounds like a scam but its not and it works.

YTB is taking me out of Corporate America. Don't knock it until you try it and if you have, don't be upset with YTB because you have not succeed, but good luck to all that are thinking negative. Once you stop thinking negative, you will see things differently trust me on that. If I fail at this I will be on here talking down on this along with you...
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#22 Consumer Comment

YTB = You're Totally Broke because it's just another MLM = Make Little Money Recruitment Scam

AUTHOR: Spongebob - (U.S.A.)

Nothing more than the same bogus MLM/Pyramid big promises, "give us your money first sucker" type BS wrapped in a different package!! All you have to do is go to the BBB website and see their unbiased, un-brainwashed opinion of this scam. Very similar to the notorius Coastal Vacations nonsense. BUYER-BE-FRICKEN-WARE!! Don't fall for any of their smooth-talkin "Sales-Hole" picthes! Ask 'em for a money-back guarntee in writing and watch 'em balk and squirm in their shoes!! Stay smart! Have a nice day!
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#23 Consumer Suggestion

YourTravelBiz Has Very Negative Rating From BBB/Avoid Their MLM Bogus Claims

AUTHOR: Spongebob - (U.S.A.)

If you go to the following link at the BBB, you can read the complete report on YourTravelBiz.com:

http://www.labbb.org/BBBWeb/Forms/General/BBBNewsArchivesPageDetail.aspx?News_ID=124&sm.

I have a neighbor who wanted to tell me about his "travel business" and here's what I found out about "YourTravelBiz.Com":

You can be the judge for yourself, but this sounds like a similar scam to the Coastal Vacations hosing with inflated income claims, bogus fees and worse yet a scam MLM recruitment racket, rather than a real travel biz opportunity. Here is an excerpt from the actual BBB report:

According to the company, you reach maximum earning potential by developing three teams. The "First Team" is complete when three representatives have been personally sponsored and six online travel agencies activated. The IMR earns 50 percent commission from all sales. Once the First Team's requirements have been met, IMRs qualify to advance to the next level, the "Power Team." This team includes the first team of every representative in your Power Team. When one of that Power Team starts a Power Team, that team becomes a first generation "Dream Team" to the original IMR. This building can continue through six generations of Power Teams.

We consider this company's advertising to be misleading because of its website claims about the ease and ability to earn money using the company's methods and marketing techniques. One page offers the opportunity to earn bonuses such as a choice of vehicle valued at up to $50,000 and a $100,000 bonus.

The company also claims that travel agents will receive perks of upgrades, familiarization (fam) trips, discounts and "specials." Testimonials tell of free hotel upgrades and huge discounts obtained just by presenting travel agent credentials from the company.

We believe the earnings claims are exaggerated and we consider testimonials to be invalid as evidence of the truth of the company's advertising.

We believe this company may be engaged in a pyramid marketing plan because of their apparent emphasis on recruiting rather than selling travel. Those who buy into the company's team become legally responsible for the claims they make about their company, its product, and the business opportunities it offers. That is true even if the claims are presented in a company brochure or advertising flyer.

Buyer-be-fricken-ware!!
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Re: Phobialoser's comment

AUTHOR: Nafeesah - (U.S.A.)

Number one don't undermine my knowledge of buisness because I've owned and operated a buisness for a while. Number two I am well aware that some buisnesses require a good deal of money to start up, but it's the level of legitimacy that I am addressing here. Number three are you operating a YTB buisness? If you arent then why are you commenting to me about my comment? I am speaking on my experience and hoping that others who also been where I've been would speak up about it. I think YTB is a rip off because they expect you to have a middle man instead of talking to someone at the company directly when you have a question since they don't have a real website or contact information for the respective departments that middlemen can't answer directly.
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#25 Consumer Comment

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AUTHOR: Phobialoser - (U.S.A.)

I am not a representative of YTB, in fact I do not even like their products. I am writing this because I could not believe some of the comments.

Nafeesah Wrote
$1275-that's a lot of money to invest into a business especially if you don't have that kind of money.

How is this a lot of money to invest into a business? Some businesses cost millions of dollars to start. I can only imagine one type of person who does not have 1275 dollars, someone without a job, even then they have access to it with loans, buying a business with loans happens all the time, and it is considered good debt since the business will make you money.

Nafeesah Wrote
I feel this isnt a legitimate buisness because you have to spend a lot of valuable time drumming up clients into the buisness to really make anything and that could be time you could put into a business with a reputation to generate a legitimate income without the MLM(Multi level marketing) or pyramid scheme tactics.

Every business requires that time is spent to "drum up clients" Money only comes from one place, that is other people's pockets. I know YTB reps that make legitimate incomes, think a little more and you will find that almost every business uses "pyramid Scheme Tactics" The only difference is they pay advertisers, rather than representatives to distribute their products.

I am writing this to urge you to think before you post negative comments such as this. You may not understand business, or you just do not understand YTB fully. Educate yourself and read books before trying to save the world from your definition of evil business.
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#26 UPDATE Employee

Additional rebuttal to Nafeesah Chicago

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

I am an RTA with YTB and am sorry to hear of the negative experience suffered by Nafeesah in Chicago. This is truly an exception to the norm with YTB.

I have years of experience with network marketing from Amway & Excel to Herbalife & Melaleuca. I have generated income with Herbalife & Melaleuca and have finally found the perfect home based business with YTB.

It is not a pyramid scheme. Pyramids are illegal in all 50 states, and if this were one, it would be tied up in court in multiple states, and shut down. This is not the case, it is a thriving business in a thriving, growing industry.

The initial buy in for under $500 is an incredibly low cost to invest to begin your own business. Other opportunities cost five figures or more on the front end and then thousands to operate and maintain. The low monthly maintenance cost with YTB of less than $50 is unparalleled in business. You can't create, run and maintain a quality website for that sum, let alone provide quality bookings, fullfillment of travel, secure money transactions, commission tracking, regular marketing emails and full customer support for such a small fee. The company even provides an opportunity to recoup this fee for a modest effort on the RTA's part.

In any business endeavor, in addition to money, time must also be invested. I agree with Nafeesah that time is valuable, so one should spend it wisely. As in any network marketing opportunity, one must talk about their business. If you choose to be a secret agent, then you will reap the rewards of your silence. After all, it is a marketing opportunity and as such one must spend their time pursuing clients. With this opportunity however, your marketing efforts have the propensity to pay off immediately by directing people to your booking engine to book their travel on. The company pays commissions on all bookings done through an RTA's site. Since online travel is a strong commerce area on the internet, it doesn't take long to realize a return on your investment of time and money.

Another point regarding the extremely high value of this investment is the fact that there are no inventories to be maintained, no monthly quotas, and no need to handle other peoples money. There is no insurance to be purchased, no payrolls, no rent, no capital acquistions, none of the other costly headache issues related to owning a legitimate business.

One can also recoup their initial investment and their ongoing costs by simply taking a vacation or trip once or twice a year. Booking your travel through your own business will pay commission on the booking, traveling as an insider by using travel agent perks when offered from time to time, and proper record keeping for tax deductive purposes all add up to money saved and earned via your own travel. Again, it is a business and if you treat it as such, you can and will generate income with it. This doesn't even begin to scratch the surface when you factor in the MLM side.

Most business owners see the value in increasing their knowledge and skill and therefore will invest their time and money in additional training and research. While not mandatory, a good idea for those that pursue success, in any business. The RTA training criticized by Nafeesah is indeed $175, however, as pointed out by T - Maumee Ohio, not mandatory in any sense. One can still generate income without it. Is it beneficial? Absolutely, just like any additional training or continuing ed. More info makes for a better business owner, period.

YTB is a REAL & LEGITIMATE business, with a REAL website that indeed offers contact info via a physical address and an email function to communicate questions to the home office. The company also gives RTA's an office site that has all the info needed and most questions can be answered via this personal office site if one takes the time to peruse it thoroughly.

Indeed, this is a legal, legitimate & real business opportunity. With any business, one must invest money, time and MAKE A COMMITMENT.
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AUTHOR: Nafeesah - (U.S.A.)

I did plenty of research and I've had a hand in a home based buisness for more than 8 years so I've made a lot more revenue wise. I am not going to waste my time recruiting people to a buisness that to me isnt going anywhere.

The YTB website doesnt look legitimate because when you have a question I don't want to call my sponsor at 3am when I can simply email it to the company. I will not recommend this company to anyone because a legit company would have appropriate contact information such as an email address, telephone and fax number along with a physical address, not just a physical address.

What I find annoying is that you have to go through a sponsor which can be tiresome if you're sick of the middle man crap. The person who told me about this buisness didnt explain it to make it look legitimate since something told me that this person was not going to initially tell me the start up cost and what you had to invest long term. Not everyone is going to want to invest in such a deal when they want to know that what they put in will turn over a bigger profit.

I've checked out better buisness ventures in other organizations and they are more straightforth in what they expect from you and will answer your questions of what you want from them and most don't require high start up fees. I have since requested that they cancel everything the website and everything else and refund my credit card. I am taking my buisness elsewhere where I don't have to have someone trying to talk me into investing so they can get a piece of the commissions.
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#28 Consumer Comment

YTB Legitimate

AUTHOR: T - (U.S.A.)

It is unfortunate that someone has posted a ngeative experience with YTB, but I can't tell if this person joined and felt "ripped off" or just did some research and didn't like what they found or didn't find.

I have been involved with YTB for only a few months and my experience has been positive.
I did extensive research before choosing a home based opportunity, including BBB reports, financials etc., and decided on YTB.

If someone were to invest a total of $1275 over the course of 1 year in a business that can create a positive return on investment, I would challenge them to seek out other business opportunties, or even franchises that can claim the same low cost start up and maintenance. Franchises often require one to have a minimum of $25,000 working capital up front and can cost up to $1 million dollars for franchise liscense fees,plus monthly loyalty fees. (Examples - UPS, McDonalds, Jani King, Matco Tools, Jazzercise) - there are many more. I know this because I did the research. There is never a guarantee of success in any venture. Not even buying a name for $25 to $100K or more.

While there are investments of time and money, as with any business, or attempt to start and sustain a business, this business does not make individuals spend monies they do not have. The RTA certification is optional, and all costs associated with joining, including training, and the 49.95 monthly site fee are detailed up front before joining. I found no hidden costs and made back half my investment the night I joined because I made a purchase as an agent. The discount I received recovered half my start up.

In additon, I have not found any other website service that costs so little and provides so much. To have the site fully maintained, the travel packages, and other options brokered for the Reps for such a small amount is really incredible. Site maintenance fees can generally run hundreds of dollars or more and often times services are basic and everything else is billed as "options" or "extras".

The business also does not require one to market or recruit others. This is also optional and aside from tax breaks and travel discounts, thsi is one of the main reasons I joined.
At home companies such as cosmetics, cooking/food, apparel, adult novelties, candles, housewares, health&wellness etc. require start up monies too -usually more than $100 for a "starter kit" and then with most of them you have to recruit to make any real money.
You have to maintain inventory, make montly product purchases, and drag products around to home shows but the real money is in recruiting.

With YTB, I concentrate on the travel sales end, as I am simply not a networker. Because it provides a 60% commission rate, actual travel is all that I market and it has been successful for me. Were I to recruit, any extras would just be icing on the cake.

I had no trouble finding business location adresses, phone numbers, representatives and other company and corporate information. I hope that others do not turn away from the YTB opportunity simply because of unfortuante feedback. I encourage anyone to do the research and decide for themself.

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#29 Consumer Comment

YTB Legitimate

AUTHOR: T - (U.S.A.)

It is unfortunate that someone has posted a ngeative experience with YTB, but I can't tell if this person joined and felt "ripped off" or just did some research and didn't like what they found or didn't find.

I have been involved with YTB for only a few months and my experience has been positive.
I did extensive research before choosing a home based opportunity, including BBB reports, financials etc., and decided on YTB.

If someone were to invest a total of $1275 over the course of 1 year in a business that can create a positive return on investment, I would challenge them to seek out other business opportunties, or even franchises that can claim the same low cost start up and maintenance. Franchises often require one to have a minimum of $25,000 working capital up front and can cost up to $1 million dollars for franchise liscense fees,plus monthly loyalty fees. (Examples - UPS, McDonalds, Jani King, Matco Tools, Jazzercise) - there are many more. I know this because I did the research. There is never a guarantee of success in any venture. Not even buying a name for $25 to $100K or more.

While there are investments of time and money, as with any business, or attempt to start and sustain a business, this business does not make individuals spend monies they do not have. The RTA certification is optional, and all costs associated with joining, including training, and the 49.95 monthly site fee are detailed up front before joining. I found no hidden costs and made back half my investment the night I joined because I made a purchase as an agent. The discount I received recovered half my start up.

In additon, I have not found any other website service that costs so little and provides so much. To have the site fully maintained, the travel packages, and other options brokered for the Reps for such a small amount is really incredible. Site maintenance fees can generally run hundreds of dollars or more and often times services are basic and everything else is billed as "options" or "extras".

The business also does not require one to market or recruit others. This is also optional and aside from tax breaks and travel discounts, thsi is one of the main reasons I joined.
At home companies such as cosmetics, cooking/food, apparel, adult novelties, candles, housewares, health&wellness etc. require start up monies too -usually more than $100 for a "starter kit" and then with most of them you have to recruit to make any real money.
You have to maintain inventory, make montly product purchases, and drag products around to home shows but the real money is in recruiting.

With YTB, I concentrate on the travel sales end, as I am simply not a networker. Because it provides a 60% commission rate, actual travel is all that I market and it has been successful for me. Were I to recruit, any extras would just be icing on the cake.

I had no trouble finding business location adresses, phone numbers, representatives and other company and corporate information. I hope that others do not turn away from the YTB opportunity simply because of unfortuante feedback. I encourage anyone to do the research and decide for themself.

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#30 Consumer Comment

YTB Legitimate

AUTHOR: T - (U.S.A.)

It is unfortunate that someone has posted a ngeative experience with YTB, but I can't tell if this person joined and felt "ripped off" or just did some research and didn't like what they found or didn't find.

I have been involved with YTB for only a few months and my experience has been positive.
I did extensive research before choosing a home based opportunity, including BBB reports, financials etc., and decided on YTB.

If someone were to invest a total of $1275 over the course of 1 year in a business that can create a positive return on investment, I would challenge them to seek out other business opportunties, or even franchises that can claim the same low cost start up and maintenance. Franchises often require one to have a minimum of $25,000 working capital up front and can cost up to $1 million dollars for franchise liscense fees,plus monthly loyalty fees. (Examples - UPS, McDonalds, Jani King, Matco Tools, Jazzercise) - there are many more. I know this because I did the research. There is never a guarantee of success in any venture. Not even buying a name for $25 to $100K or more.

While there are investments of time and money, as with any business, or attempt to start and sustain a business, this business does not make individuals spend monies they do not have. The RTA certification is optional, and all costs associated with joining, including training, and the 49.95 monthly site fee are detailed up front before joining. I found no hidden costs and made back half my investment the night I joined because I made a purchase as an agent. The discount I received recovered half my start up.

In additon, I have not found any other website service that costs so little and provides so much. To have the site fully maintained, the travel packages, and other options brokered for the Reps for such a small amount is really incredible. Site maintenance fees can generally run hundreds of dollars or more and often times services are basic and everything else is billed as "options" or "extras".

The business also does not require one to market or recruit others. This is also optional and aside from tax breaks and travel discounts, thsi is one of the main reasons I joined.
At home companies such as cosmetics, cooking/food, apparel, adult novelties, candles, housewares, health&wellness etc. require start up monies too -usually more than $100 for a "starter kit" and then with most of them you have to recruit to make any real money.
You have to maintain inventory, make montly product purchases, and drag products around to home shows but the real money is in recruiting.

With YTB, I concentrate on the travel sales end, as I am simply not a networker. Because it provides a 60% commission rate, actual travel is all that I market and it has been successful for me. Were I to recruit, any extras would just be icing on the cake.

I had no trouble finding business location adresses, phone numbers, representatives and other company and corporate information. I hope that others do not turn away from the YTB opportunity simply because of unfortuante feedback. I encourage anyone to do the research and decide for themself.

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#31 Consumer Comment

YTB Legitimate

AUTHOR: T - (U.S.A.)

It is unfortunate that someone has posted a ngeative experience with YTB, but I can't tell if this person joined and felt "ripped off" or just did some research and didn't like what they found or didn't find.

I have been involved with YTB for only a few months and my experience has been positive.
I did extensive research before choosing a home based opportunity, including BBB reports, financials etc., and decided on YTB.

If someone were to invest a total of $1275 over the course of 1 year in a business that can create a positive return on investment, I would challenge them to seek out other business opportunties, or even franchises that can claim the same low cost start up and maintenance. Franchises often require one to have a minimum of $25,000 working capital up front and can cost up to $1 million dollars for franchise liscense fees,plus monthly loyalty fees. (Examples - UPS, McDonalds, Jani King, Matco Tools, Jazzercise) - there are many more. I know this because I did the research. There is never a guarantee of success in any venture. Not even buying a name for $25 to $100K or more.

While there are investments of time and money, as with any business, or attempt to start and sustain a business, this business does not make individuals spend monies they do not have. The RTA certification is optional, and all costs associated with joining, including training, and the 49.95 monthly site fee are detailed up front before joining. I found no hidden costs and made back half my investment the night I joined because I made a purchase as an agent. The discount I received recovered half my start up.

In additon, I have not found any other website service that costs so little and provides so much. To have the site fully maintained, the travel packages, and other options brokered for the Reps for such a small amount is really incredible. Site maintenance fees can generally run hundreds of dollars or more and often times services are basic and everything else is billed as "options" or "extras".

The business also does not require one to market or recruit others. This is also optional and aside from tax breaks and travel discounts, thsi is one of the main reasons I joined.
At home companies such as cosmetics, cooking/food, apparel, adult novelties, candles, housewares, health&wellness etc. require start up monies too -usually more than $100 for a "starter kit" and then with most of them you have to recruit to make any real money.
You have to maintain inventory, make montly product purchases, and drag products around to home shows but the real money is in recruiting.

With YTB, I concentrate on the travel sales end, as I am simply not a networker. Because it provides a 60% commission rate, actual travel is all that I market and it has been successful for me. Were I to recruit, any extras would just be icing on the cake.

I had no trouble finding business location adresses, phone numbers, representatives and other company and corporate information. I hope that others do not turn away from the YTB opportunity simply because of unfortuante feedback. I encourage anyone to do the research and decide for themself.

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