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  • Submitted: Mon, May 07, 2012
  • Updated: Wed, February 27, 2013

  • Reported By: Denise — Las Vegas Nevada United States of America
ZipNadaZiltch
Internet United States of America

ZipNadaZiltch ZNZ One, ZNZ Big Cash, Martin Wilson, Paid Today Now.com ZipNadaZiltch is not free. Internet

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Martin Wilson helpful........NOT

*Consumer Comment: Can this b done in australia

*UPDATE Employee: Kinda funny

*Consumer Comment: Martin Wilson is VERY Helpful. ZNZ is REAL.

*Consumer Comment: ZNZ IS Legit and FREE, IF you Follow Instructions. Scroll ALL the way down, read the TRUTH.

*General Comment: ZNZ BBB report

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: THIS report is FULL of Un-Truths - Scroll Down and read Truth.

*UPDATE Employee: This Is Getting Out Of Whack!

*UPDATE Employee: ZNZ Is Not For Everyone

*General Comment: Martin Wilson Is Not To Blame!!!

*UPDATE Employee: Its Not Free

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: It is ZERO COST. Scroll ALL the way down for TRUTH.

*Consumer Comment: Response to ZNZ Memberships from Customer

*UPDATE Employee: Martin Wilson

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Scroll ALL The Way Down and See The TRUTH

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Scroll down and see the TRUTH

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: NOT TRUE scroll down and see TRUTH

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Scroll down and see the TRUTH

*Consumer Comment: Scroll ALL The Way Down and See The TRUTH

*UPDATE Employee: Pavirash

*Consumer Comment: Can't Trust Martin

*UPDATE Employee: ZNZ IS NOT A JOB ITS AN OPPORTUNITY

*Author of original report: ZNZ BUSINESS OR NOT IS RELEVENT

*Consumer Suggestion: Beware of Martin Wilson!

*General Comment: Just Checking

*General Comment: Zip Nota Zilch Business or job is irrelevant to your point

*Author of original report: UPDATE: ZNZ DOESN'T KNOW WHAT IT IS!!!

*Author of original report: ZNZ DOESN'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.!!!!!

*Consumer Comment: Martin Wilson , Texas, ZNZ, ZipNadaZiltch

*UPDATE Employee: Letter to Skeptics

*Author of original report: Zip Nota Zilch Business or job?

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Person Did Not Follow Directions.

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 The distressing thing about this company is as follows: I put legitimate work from home jobs in my search engine, and one of the first things I saw was paid daily legitimate work from home jobs. When you click on it there is a video where Martin Wilson says he has a legitimate 100% free work from home opportunity to make good money, and your paid daily (not so) then you see him sign into his pay pal account and you see deposits from ZNZ for amounts like $2,000 and $4,000 also there are peoples names (allot of peoples names) making deposits to him for $25.00. Then you are told your job title referral agent. You are told this is not a business, but you have to join to be eligible to receive pay, and not just one, you have to join ZNZ One to receive $20.00 per person you refer and takes offers, and ZNZ Big cash if you want to make $60.00-$80.00 per person you refer. To become eligible to receive cash payments you first have to take trial offers yourself. In ZNZ one they are really free. But in ZNZ Big cash very few are free, and the point values are so low you must join several to be eligible to be paid. (he does say he will send you $10.00 if there are not enough free ones) There are offers which you must apply for credit cards and be approved, there are also offers for payday loans which you must apply for and accept a loan. (where is the free in that, and what about the interest rates for those kind of loans) it seems to me a way to get your personal information to steal your identity. (how do you know this person doesn't have access to the information sent through these sites) also every offer requires a credit or debit card # so these companies can continue to charge monthly fees if you don't cancel in time. I believe this company should be thoroughly checked into by the Federal Trade Commission, and the FBI. And finally, his email address is bankcashnow@gmail.com an untraceable mail he explains that's because of the volume of mail he receives. If this is not a business why do you have to take trial offers that cost any money at all to make money? And why do you have to take so many of them, it's clear he is the only one making money as a referral agent, because you have to take so many offers you loose track and once you get charged the monthly fee he gets a commission, all you get is the worry that your accounts will be overdrawn, or overdraft.   

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#1 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Martin Wilson helpful........NOT

AUTHOR: Tiger - ()

I Called for help and Martin Wilson called me but he was not helpful but angry that  I did not understand how to use the system.  He cursed on the phone and used God's name in vain at me. I am a Christian and I was offended.  I would not trust anyone that had such a bad attitude against someone who had put money in his pocket.......as if he needed it.  He's just like everyone else who has lots of money.  He does not care are about the "peons" that fell for his scam and put money in his pocket when I was struggling to make ends meet.

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#2 Consumer Comment

Can this b done in australia

AUTHOR: Tricky - ()

I would b intersted 2 know if this is available in australia

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#3 UPDATE Employee

Kinda funny

AUTHOR: jkooba - ()

This report is kinda funny.  The guy obviously had no clue what he was signing up for.  I have made over $7,000 with ZNZ and never was charged for a trial that I forgot to cancel.  All you have to do is track your trials on a calendar and cancel them on time.  It is not ZNZ's fault if you forget to cancel.  As for us making commission when you are charged after the trial ends, that is blatantly false.  Next time you sign up for something, read the fine lines.

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#4 Consumer Comment

Martin Wilson is VERY Helpful. ZNZ is REAL.

AUTHOR: Drew - ()

Someone filed a report that Martin Wilson would not answer questions and then hung up on them.

I DON'T believe it. Not only has he created a system that answers every question in both video and written instructions with PICTURES, he actually answers the phone. That is one out of a million on the internet.

I have tried many things online and i have never seen ANYTHING that gives you all that Martin does for FREE.

The person that said he is rude or didn't help them must be upset that he would not do this FOR them. Everything has been provided for you to succeed, but YOU have to provide the effort and determination.

ZNZ has helped me out of a bad situation and it is thanks to Martin's hard work and willingness to share that I was able to do it. The program works just as he explains in the VERY thorough videos and written instructions and I KNOW firsthand that Martin is there to help those who are REALLY trying to succeed.

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#5 Consumer Comment

ZNZ IS Legit and FREE, IF you Follow Instructions. Scroll ALL the way down, read the TRUTH.

AUTHOR: Drew - ()

ZNZ IS Legit and FREE, IF you Follow Instructions. Scroll ALL the way down, read the TRUTH

ZNZ is a great program. They are VERY SOLID and have been paying out for 5 years.

You MUST follow instructions closely. The program is really appealing to people and you CAN make money.

The BBB report is ridiculous and the BBB is TOTALLY bogus. Go to www.YouTube.com and type in 20/20 BBB and see what ABC news has to say about the BBB.

It is a "pay to play" scheme and if a business doesn't pay them their extortion money, they will report badly on them.

ZNZ is the BEST program online and it SAVED ME.
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#6 General Comment

ZNZ BBB report

AUTHOR: kiefmom - ()

ZNZ has a BBB rating of A- I suggest going to the BBB site to check out all company's prior to joining.
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#7 REBUTTAL Individual responds

THIS report is FULL of Un-Truths - Scroll Down and read Truth.

AUTHOR: Drew - (U.S.A.)

THIS report is FULL of Un-Truths - Scroll Down and Read Rebuttal

First of all, I CLEARLY tell people that the $25 payments on the video are from a DIFFERENT PROGRAM that I am involved in and have NOTHING to do with ZNZ. Apparently, this guy didn't hear that part, right!?

EVERYTHING pertaining to this program this is clearly and thoroughly covered in the main webinar and the videos and WRITTEN instructions under each step, I HIDE NOTHING. It is as though this person didn't even follow the instructions at all or even pay attention to them.

I am NOT sure what they are talking about LOANS for or why this person is making slanderous statements that are TOTALLY supposition and conjecture.

If you have seen the webinar, then you know that this person is simply repeating what I already tell you about the offers EXCEPT for the fact that they are putting there own spin on it which again is TOTAL speculation of what THEY think might happen. AS YOU WILL NOTICE, the person who wrote this report is not saying that ANY of what they say "could happen" ACTUALLY DID happened to them because NONE of it did.

I make it CRYSTAL CLEAR that if you go past the end of the TRIAL PERIOD, you are obviously going to be charged. That is just common sense anyway. Quite frankly, if someone doesn't understand that the very nature of ANY free trial is for you to become a customer. Therefore, OF COURSE if you go past the end of an offer trial period, they are going to charge you, duh!. It's in the terms of the offers that are shown to you BEFORE you can even take one.

I tell you that point blank on several occasions!

The statement about my email BankCashNow@gmail.com being untraceable is COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS. I help people ALL THE TIME and answer A LOT of emails and MY PHONE NUMBER
is on the website.  ALL emails are "untraceable," but why would you need to trace mine, I GIVE IT TO YOU. It sure isn't "untraceable" to all the hundreds of people that email me and get an answer back.

ALSO... The person that filed this report OBVIOUSLY did not follow the instructions because he doesn't even know how it works at all, that is painfully clear by the ERRONEOUS things that he is spewing here.

If an individual is not capable of writing down on a CALENDAR the date of when an offer expires, which I tell you CLEARLY to do, then they DO NOT need to be doing ANY kind of home business. I mean, that is some seriously ELEMENTARY STUFF. If one is not capable of following those simple instructions good luck to them.

This person didn't even try to do this and is reporting NOTHING adverse that happened to him. He just "believes" this should be reported, which is nonsense. I have talked to THOUSANDS of people who have lost thousands EACH on some sort of internet program, THOSE  programs should be reported.

Not one in which I GIVE YOU FOR FREE: A capture page, webinar page, autoresponder, prewritten emails, prewritten ads, training videos, on and on. ALL of which cost me money and tons of time to create and put up so that people will have the best opportunity possible.  I PAY FOR the website that I GIVE to people to use for FREE. I PAY FOR the hosting and bandwidth every month and charge NOTHING for it.

It is really sad that someone would spend so much time writing an erroneous report and blatantly spreading misinformation instead of taking positive action. This person didn't do the program, he didn't complete the program, he didn't utilize the resources, and did not suffer ANY loss.

I hope you avail yourself of the resources I offer and take positive action to improve yourself, unlike the writer of the report.

I am taking time to respond to this because I won't sit idly by while someone just MAKES UP issues that don't exist and makes FALSE CLAIMS. If this person would ACTUALLY work at something instead of making unfounded and opinionated statements maybe they would have a life.

Martin Wilson
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#8 UPDATE Employee

This Is Getting Out Of Whack!

AUTHOR: Kim - (United States of America)

It seems like you are more interested in if ZNZ is a job/business. Martin explains many times in the training that we are not to represent this opportunity as a job. I have been doing this for some time now and making money. I never had any problems with the initial trials because I read the terms and conditions BEFORE doing the trial. I cancelled the day or two before my trial ended. If you cancel on the day of, they probably already have you in the system for the recurring.

You keep calling this a scam but let me tell you that this is NOT a scam. I have joined so many internet marketing schemes that I lost so much money from throughout the years. This is the first opportunity that I did not have to put money into.  I don't know how people are saying that they put $200 into this and lost it. How? Their free trials are only a few dollars and your sponser gives that back to you.  Unless you didn't read the instructions and cancel.

Also, what about Project Payday? They do the same exact thing and everyone is talking about what a legit marketing program it is. Actually, they require you to use your credit card constantly. I did it a few years back and exausted myself trying to keep track of what I had to cancel. You constantly do free trials for people that are trying to get cash or prizes. They pay you but by the time you get through your fourth site, there are only expensive trials to do. With ZNZ, you only do your 2 credits and are done for life.

These Fortune 500 companies are only trying to drive traffic to their site to get long term customers so they offer free trials. If I were walk into a salon and tell the owner that I would help sell their free trials of shampoo on my website for a commission, is that a scam? What about Cindy Crawford that offers her free trial but starts charging your credit card if you don't cancel.

Let's face it, this is the wave of the future with internet marketing. Companies want you to try their product. What better way to do it.

This is a great income for those that want a work at home position. Don't listen to those that find fault with a system that they clearly did not properly research. Isn't that important with any opportunity you are getting involved with?

If you need any help, I can explain it all. Send me an e-mail to kbkst@sbcglobal.net and I will give you my phone number to personally walk you through any steps that you may need help with and to properly show you how to do this!  
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#9 UPDATE Employee

ZNZ Is Not For Everyone

AUTHOR: Centertown Princess - (United States of America)

ZNZ is not for everyone. Some people just seem to have a more difficult time than others trying to keep their trials in order. I always recommend that my referrals write down each trial along with the date to cancel. Some people have better results by putting this info into their cell phone calendar do they get a reminder. This is easy to do and easy to keep up with but it won't take care of itself obviously. You have to take the responsibility to keep up with it and cancel accordingly. I sponsor a hundred or more people. I am more than willing to help out anyone who needs it. Just Facebook me at www.facebook.com/sarah.geary.313
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#10 General Comment

Martin Wilson Is Not To Blame!!!

AUTHOR: Jessica - (United States of America)

I really appreciate Martin for sharing this system for free. I am a result of his kindness. I make money with ZNZ One and ZNZ Big Cash. A mature person would write down the offers to begin with and make sure that they cancel orders that are not wanted in a timely manner. It takes courage to go into internet marketing because you have to make some kind of investment in order to succeed. I am a normal person who tried it for myself and liked the money and will continue to let the system pay me while I sleep. I never lost money from bad orders with ZNZ Bigh Cash. Not a dime... And this is not just talk. I have proof!!





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#11 UPDATE Employee

Its Not Free

AUTHOR: Centertown Princess - (United States of America)

I understand what you are saying Robspa. The videos with too many of these systems claim that everything is free, and we all know that there will be some cost incurred through the completion of trials. There are actually alot of free trials up right now but its still hard for most people to complete without spending a few bucks. So that does make these videos seem dishonest and it is a turn off for leads to see Free and then see Cost...even if its $1.99.

Not all systems have videos like that. Southern Belle Marketing System was created in June 2012 for the very reason of providing people with honesty, quality support and effective training. I made more money my 1st month with them than I had in 3 months with Online Payday System. People arent shocked or upset if they are expecting it beforehand.

Also a lot of sponsors will reimburse the cost of trials up to a certain amount. I believe Martin does that, as do I. 

And yes Robspa it does cost you some time. No one has ever opened a business and made money without investing some time into it. It takes time to learn your business, to build your business and to keep it up. We are all home-based business owners here, so its important to think of yourself that way and be willing to put forth the time and effort if you want to make money. ZNZ is not a get rich quick scheme. ZNZ is not a job. It is an opportunity...a fabulous opportunity...if you have the tools available to you to grow your business and you are willing to put a little time into it.

I will answer anyones ZNZ questions and/or help you with any problems you may have. ZNZ has blessed me beyond belief and I just want everyone to be able to experience that joy. You can Facebook me, Sarah Stacy, at (((ROR redacted)))
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#12 REBUTTAL Owner of company

It is ZERO COST. Scroll ALL the way down for TRUTH.

AUTHOR: Martin - (United States of America)

Follow Instructions and it IS ZERO COST.

Hello,

The only way that this program is not free is if YOU do NOT follow the simple step by step instructions
that are provided.

There are both WRITTEN (with screen shots) and video instructions and it could not be made easier.

It is absoulutely not true to say this is "false advertising" There is FULL DISCLOSURE of EXACTLY how this program
works, step by step in all the instructions.

The Capture page, webinar page, autoresponder, pre-written emails and all the marketing methods are given to you for FREE.

There ARE plenty of people who followed the instructions and ARE making money. Don't put a lot of stock in what people say who are not following them.

Martin
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#13 Consumer Comment

Response to ZNZ Memberships from Customer

AUTHOR: robspa - (United States of America)

To Whom It May Concern:

Please accept this as a rebuttal to your report.  I have no affiliation whatsoever to Martin Wilson or
ZNZ One and ZNZ Big Cash except as a paying customer.  I subscribed back in 10/10.  I saw the same Paypal video, Martin Wilson & his wife video, etc.  Yes, he does indicate subscription is Free and payments received daily.  He does show a huge referral list with $20 payments received. However, you should know well enough to not totally believe any comments made on the internet.  I foolishly did b/c I was really looking for something with limited work, if any, b/c I had just been laid off shortly after becoming disabled.

I went through the three steps and completed the promotional offers for ZNZ One and ZNZ Big Cash within a week.  I got some referrals, but not to many and they never completed the necessary promotional offers for me to receive the $20.  So, I unsubscribed effective 3/11. Technically speaking, it could be construed as False Advertising, but our great no action self-served members of Congress have not put into place relevant laws governing these Guru's actions arising over the internet.  

Also, the threshold for a federal cause of action is too much.  Our state legislatures could mandate appropriate laws for victims of their state, but there appears to be a jurisdiction issue b/c is jurisdiction (venue) established where the email (video) transmittal originated or where it was received (and opened)? I did receive a response from Martin with the email address provided.  My point with all this is that there is nothing free in this world.  It might not cost any cash, but it will require time.  Don't be so trustworthy of what you hear and make an informed decision based upon fact.  

ZNZ appears to be a legitimate company.  They do have limited number of promotional offers.  I only spent I think $4.95 and cancelled all of my subscriptions within the legal trial time frame period.  With all due respect, it is like you are wanting something for Free.  I understand your complaint was a result of the misrepresentations presented; and for that, that should of lead you to investigate.  Do you recall seeing you get a Free Website; Free Training Material;  Free Auto-Responder with completed letters and so on.  (none of this was mentioned in your complaint).

Not getting into names, but there is another IM'er out there with the same speech, but upon further investigation, the actual Free website b/c a monthly recurring expense of $29.99.  Internet Pay Day System (Martin Wilson) is completely free for its entirety except for cost applicable to promotional offers (or purchases if decided upon keeping the offer).   Although, limited in quantity, there is not any BIZ out there offering this type of service; and as such, I have taken it upon myself to reactivate my Internet Payday Account and created my own letters advising referrals of the actuality of the business.  Through agency relationships (Martin vs ZNZ), individuals are actually getting a negative impression on what appears to be a legitimate enterprise (ZNZ).  

In ending, we are about to go off the cliff and all of our taxes are about to go up and we will probably go into another recession. Take it upon yourself not to be so dependent upon others except family to make a living.  I have a professional degree, but due to disability, I am not able to practice in the same capacity.   I am only 44 yrs old and do not anticipate dying anytime soon unless there is a consequential event causing my death.  Thus, I am taking ownership of the issue and trying to make it in this ever changing environment.  Hopefully, you do not take my comments personal b/c that was definitely not my intent. I am going to post the letter I will send to referrals to counter the misrepresentations presented.  Lets join forces.  (((email redacted)))

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#14 UPDATE Employee

Martin Wilson

AUTHOR: Centertown Princess - (United States of America)

While I agree with EVERYTHING you say about ZNZ and the way it works....something has gone horribly wrong with the way you interact with your referrals.

I have been training your sign ups for months. People sign up under you and then cannot get ahold of you and they are lost. They are not trained and they are not making money so therefore they are not happy of course. When they find me through searching ZNZ on Facebook or Google they are trained properly and make money. Please update your contact info or something because the way things have been going has been very bad and does not reflect well upon ZNZ since too many people are unable to differentiate between the system and the company.

So maybe you could provide your referrals with a phone number where they can actually get ahold of you and possibly an email that does not have a vacation response set up. Best wishes Martin and God bless!
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#15 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Scroll ALL The Way Down and See The TRUTH

AUTHOR: Martin - (United States of America)

Scroll ALL The Way Down And See The TRUTH.

Which is apparently what you did and now you will find it.

This is Martin Wilson and there is a laundry list of things in these comments that I would like to respond to.

 I am a LONG way from a "nasty" person. I have worked tirelessly to try and make this an opportunity that people can
succeed with. I give, for free: A capture page, webinar page, autoresponder, prewritten emails and TONS of training that I
used to charge a lot of money for, all for FREE.

I have spent COUNTLESS hours making instructional videos and written instructions with screen shots to go on all the websites
that I give away for free. All in an attempt to help folks that are trying to do this to succeed. I have done more work to help affiliates than I have done to help myself. 

Each affiliate site has the same detailed video and written instructions that mine does. This took an ENORMOUS amount of work. On top of that I PAY FOR the bandwidth each month, meaning that the websites that  people get for free are actually paid for by ME.

I have tried to make this a simple as possible to understand and in the initial webinar presentation, as well as, the instructional videos and written information under each step, it is explained how it works to a T.

It is RIDICULOUS  to say that I am trying to scam people. I have done all of this work to set it up for others and I PAY so that people can use it for free!

It is CLEARLY explained why a credit card is needed, it is clearly explained  that keeping accurate records of dates is incumbent upon the participant. ZNZ gives absolute and total disclosure of exactly what their terms are and how this works.

It is true however, that I am human. I do answer several hundred emails a day and tens upon tens of phone calls, so there may be times that I am not "as sweet as sugar." The REAL POINT is that I am here, isn't it?  As I am sure you can imagine, it is just a little aggravating to get tons of calls and emails from people asking questions, that have been covered on multiple occasions in the instructions and training, as though they never saw them at all.

Believe me, I wish I never got tired or hungry, but what can I say?

I have talked to AT LEAST 10,000 people in the last 10 years that have been screwed out of 5, 10, 15, 20, $40,000 and more. They were put through some sort of elaborate trickery and then were hammered by salesmen for big bucks. About 99% of what you see online pulls this kind of thing. I do NOTHING of the sort, so to say that I am trying to take advantage of people is utterly without foundation.

One comment that I saw particularly disturbed me. The person said something like "we need to get people like Martin out of marketing online." REALLY!?!  There is NOBODY that I have EVER seen that cares one bit if people even have a shot to make money, they just want more and MORE, which I don't do. I have put in all this time, effort, and MONEY to help people succeed!

If you had been in the Home Business arena as long as I have you would knowthat it is UNHEARD of for a person to put in this much time trying to help affiliates  succeed. And guess what?

I don't get ANY override or bonus for helping people succeeding with the free system  I give them, on the contrary, it actually COSTS ME in time, wear and tear, and MONEY. I am doing it strictly to try and help people and you can believe that or not!

ZNZ is a GREAT COMPANY with the highest integrity. In all the years that I have been online I have NEVER seen a more professional, conscientious, reliable, forthcoming,  and honest company.

My system is a separate entity that simply helps you with the marketing of ZNZ. AND...YES, if you get into this program, you need to FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS and there are VERY detailed step-by-step ones. I have redone them and improved them over and over and over, so I do not think that I could make them any easier.

There are some treacherous people online, of which I am NOT one. Of course, you can believe what you choose to believe, but ANY statement that I am trying to do people harm is absolutely NOT true. Quite frankly, I am trying as hard as I can to do the opposite.
 
Sincerely,
Martin Wilson
 
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#16 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Scroll down and see the TRUTH

AUTHOR: Martin - (United States of America)

Scroll Down and see the TRUTH.

The person that filed this initial report OBVIOUSLY did not follow the instructions.

You must follow the instructions. There are detailed step by step WRITTEN and VIDEO instructions for goodness sake. It's elementary.

If this person would have spent as much concentration on following the instructions as they did writing their little report, they would be making money by now.

Why is it that people who don't give something a serious effort are always the ones that complain?

Martin Wilson
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#17 REBUTTAL Owner of company

NOT TRUE scroll down and see TRUTH

AUTHOR: Martin - (United States of America)

This person's comments are ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE.

I send people the $10 ALL THE TIME.

This person obviously did NOT follow the instructions.

Martin Wilson
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#18 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Scroll down and see the TRUTH

AUTHOR: Martin - (United States of America)

I don't know WHO this person is, but isn't the point that you CAN call me. I am far from nasty, that is a joke.

I provide, at my expense, the entire FREE marketing system including: capture page, webinar page, autoresponder, prewritten
emails, and training that I have charged hundreds for all for free!

Sure, I am human and if someone calls me with an attitude or doesn't even take the time to follow the VERY detailed step by step instructions I might not be so happy. But i answer tens of tens of calls a day and return at least 200 emails.

There is NOBODY that tries to help people succeed like that.

Martin Wilson
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#19 Consumer Comment

Scroll ALL The Way Down and See The TRUTH

AUTHOR: Martin - (United States of America)

Scroll ALL The Way Down And See The TRUTH.

Which is apparently what you did and now you will find it.

This is Martin Wilson and there is a laundry list of things in these comments that I would like to respond to.

 I am a LONG way from a "nasty" person. I have worked tirelessly to try and make this an opportunity that people can
succeed with. I give, for free: A capture page, webinar page,autoresponder, prewritten emails and TONS of training that I
used to charge a lot of money for, all for FREE.

I have spent COUNTLESS hours making instructional videos and written instructions with screen shots to go on all the websites
that I give away for free. All in an attempt to help folks that are trying to do this to succeed. I have done more work to help affiliates than I have done to help myself. 

Each affiliate site has the same detailed video and written instructions that mine does. This took an ENORMOUS amount of work. On top of that I PAY FOR the bandwidth each month, meaning that the websites that  people get for free are actually paid for by ME.

I have tried to make this a simple as possible to understand and in the initial webinar presentation, as well as, the instructional videos and written information under each step, it is explained how it works to a T.

It is RIDICULOUS  to say that I am trying to scam people. I have done all of this work to set it up for others and I PAY so that people can use it for free!

It is CLEARLY explained why a credit card is needed, it is clearly explained that keeping accurate records of dates is incumbent upon the participant. ZNZ gives absolute and total disclosure of exactly what their terms are and how this works.

It is true however, that I am human. I do answer several hundred emails a day and tens upon tens of phone calls, so there may be times that I am not "as sweet as sugar." The REAL POINT is that I am here, isn't it?  As I am sure you can imagine, it is just a little aggravating to get tons of calls and emails from people asking questions, that have been covered on multiple occasions in the instructions and training, as though they never saw them at all.

Believe me, I wish I never got tired or hungry, but what can I say?

I have talked to AT LEAST 10,000 people in the last 10 years that have been screwed out of 5, 10, 15, 20, $40,000 and more. They were put through some sort of elaborate trickery and then were hammered by salesmen for big bucks. About 99% of what you see online pulls this kind of thing. I do NOTHING of the sort, so to say that I am trying to take advantage of people is utterly without foundation.

One comment that I saw particularly disturbed me. The person said something like "we need to get people like Martin out of marketing online." REALLY!?!  There is NOBODY that I have EVER seen that cares one bit if people even have a shot to make money, they just want more and MORE, which I don't do. I have put in all this time, effort, and MONEY to help people succeed!

If you had been in the Home Business arena as long as I have you would know that it is UNHEARD of for a person to put in this much time trying to help affiliates succeed. And guess what?

I don't get ANY override or bonus for helping people succeeding with the free system I give them, on the contrary, it actually COSTS ME in time, wear and tear, and MONEY. I am doing it strictly to try and help people and you can believe that or not!

ZNZ is a GREAT COMPANY with the highest integrity. In all the years that I have been online I have NEVER seen a more professional, conscientious, reliable, forthcoming,  and honest company.

My system is a separate entity that simply helps you with the marketing of ZNZ. AND...YES, if you get into this program, you need to FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS and there are VERY detailed step-by-step ones. I have redone them and improved them over and over and over, so I do not think that I could make them any easier.

There are some treacherous people online, of which I am NOT one. Of course, you can believe what you choose to believe, but ANY statement that I am trying to do people harm is absolutely NOT true. Quite frankly, I am trying as hard as I can to do the opposite.
 
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#20 UPDATE Employee

Pavirash

AUTHOR: Centertown Princess - (United States of America)

I have heard alot of bad things about Martin Wilson. I dont know him personally so I cant really say. You are not the first person to say that about him though. As with any venture that anyone takes, you should make sure you are getting yourself in with an honest group of people. I know that doesnt help much now and its sad that it has to be that way, makes it hard on those of us who are honest and trustworthy. I apologize for what you are going through because of him. If you need any marketing help or advice please dont hesitste to contact me, it deletes my email so just facebook me at http://www.facebook.com/sarah.geary.313
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#21 Consumer Comment

Can't Trust Martin

AUTHOR: Parivash - (United States of America)

Hey Sarah,

I enjoyed reading your comments,but I can not trust Martin Wilson. Last week I completed step 2(ZNZ big cash), and emailed Martin for the $10 reimbursement(He does say he will pay $10 if there are not a lot of free offers in ZNZ big cash). He never replied to my email and I called him twice and his voice mailbox is full. Any comments on that? Looks like a spam to me.

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#22 UPDATE Employee

ZNZ IS NOT A JOB ITS AN OPPORTUNITY

AUTHOR: Centertown Princess - (United States of America)

My name is Sarah Geary and I have been doing ZNZ since March and cant be more pleased. I have heard alot of bad things about this Martin Wilson fellow but the system I use is not the same as his and I have had very good results with it. There are different systems people use to market ZNZ and unfortunately not all of them are honest.

ZNZ policy forbids the use of the word "job" or the term "paid daily" by any systems. This is an opportunity to make money by referring other to do the same thing that you have to do, complete trials. Some sponsors, such as myself, offer a reimbursal for trial costs. If you have a good sponsor and a great system that provides you with the needed training then ZNZ can be very profitable.

Giving your credit card info to Fortune 500 companies is as safe (or more so) than giving your card to your waitress at a restaurant. I had no problems or unforseen charges with any of my trials. The key is to make sure you write down the date and name of each offer so that you dont forget to cancel it.

I would be happy to help you, or anyone, to turn your ZNZ experience around and start making money. We have over 3000 members on our team and everyone is making money. You can find me on Facebook at www.facebook.com/sarah.geary.313 Thank you for your time and I hope to hear from you soon!

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#23 Author of original report

ZNZ BUSINESS OR NOT IS RELEVENT

AUTHOR: Denise - (United States of America)

I appreciate what you're trying to relay, however, being a realestate agent is a business, this is why you are licensed, and just because you work for a brokerage house doesn't mean you're an employee. You run ads and pay for ads because you are running a business. And like most businesses petty cash is needed, in your case a debit card, or credit card. If you were to have a disagreement with the brokerage and they for lack of a better word "fired" you, the realestate license you have wouldn't be taken from you. Just like a beautician they work in a shop, but they have to pay for the rental of their chair, and all other supplies they need to run their business, and when they are asked to leave the premisses they aren't being fired, they are dissolving their business association with the shop, because they don't loose their license.

ZNZ claims they are not offering a business opportunity, but the people who work for them are filing 1099 for the money they make from ZNZ, and they work their own hours. This company is a scam for many reasons.

#1 They are employing people and not filing the proper paperwork, or claiming what they should be as an employer.

#2 They claim it's free to work for them and it clearly isn't. Just look at the complaint following my last one. Not to mention the ones I have made.

#3 They are pushing offers where people have to not only pay for, but qualify for and pay exorbitant percentage rates on. Payday loans cost an average of 40% or more interest rate by the time you pay the loan back, and not only that, but they don't really care how many payday loans a person has out, they will keep loaning money out anyway. And lets talk about the interest rates for credit cards, you have to qualify and take a credit card for some offers, and the interest rate for most credit cards are 19%.

There is nothing free about this opportunity, and it is scandalous to say it is.

Would you trust someone who has lied to you?

I signed up for an offer in ZNZ one and canceled on time, and they still took the monthly membership fee, and when I insisted they give it back, they only wanted to give half back. I am fighting them to this day, and it isn't worth the hassle, it's just the point.

I want people to know this company is flying under the radar in many instances and is cheating people out of their hard earned money, not helping them make money. In an economy like this one, people are struggling to feed their families as it is, and this individual Martin Wilson is making a great living off other peoples need to earn a living. It's as bad as going to their house and taking all the food out of their cupboards and refrigerator to starve them, while he eats like a king.

This business shouldn't be operating, and if you feel comfortable joining that is your privilege, but please let me know how much it really costs you to earn Martin Wilson a good living.
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#24 Consumer Suggestion

Beware of Martin Wilson!

AUTHOR: TT - (United States of America)

After carefully watching Martin Wilson's video on this marvelous, magical work-from-home opportunity, I called him on the number he provided. He was very rude to me, wouldn't answer my questions, and he even got angry and hung up on me when I asked about the reasons why a credit card number is needed for ZNZ one and ZNZ big cash.

I have researched some of the other news and videos on this "company", and they pretty much all say the same thing - it's FREE! FREE! FREE! A legitimate way to make huge, giant amounts of cash from the comfort of your own home.

However, when you go to sign up for ZNZ one and ZNZ big cash (and you have to do both of them), you will find that it is NOT free. You have to apply for offers. Most of them require a payment (there are only one or two free offers for a trial period - most cost something for the initial trial period.) One video I watched showed a bunch of these trial offers you have to apply for (before you qualify) and they were either free or $1.00 for the trial period. When I went into the actual ZNZ site and filled out my profile, I found that for ZNZ one alone most of the trial offers you are required to take cost anywhere from $15.00 up to $50.00. ZNZ big cash requires that you take several trial offers to add up to 1.0 credits (this is required to qualify.) Most of those trail offers are NOT free. They are expensive as well. You have to use your credit or debit card to apply for the required trial offers.

Then after you have signed up for ZNZ one and ZNZ big cash, selecting the required trial offers in the process, you go on to step 3. This is definitely NOT free. You are required to submit your credit or debit card for payment for the online payment system. The charge is $19.95. Although there is a 30 day free trial period for the payment system, you are charged after 30 days if you have continued to stay with ZNZ. This is automatic, and you will be charged every month.

The videos, the advertisements and the news on ZNZ never mention these particular facts about this home business opportunity. The big question would be, "why?" The truth is, ZNZ is really NOT free.



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#25 General Comment

Just Checking

AUTHOR: Wishy - (United States of America)

Well I was about to sign up and came up on all of this about ZNZONE, glad I did, what do you guys think about http://www.gobza.com/18128, post what u think
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#26 General Comment

Zip Nota Zilch Business or job is irrelevant to your point

AUTHOR: Warren - (United States of America)

I have to take objection to your comments but appreciate your passion.

If this is on the up and up, how is it that you state this is not a business, but you have to give your credit card information to any affiliate your working with? I have never worked for a company that requires you to give any kind of monetary information to them or any affiliate they work with, or purchase through.

I have worked for jobs that required my credit card number to be offered to affiliate companies. As a Real Estate Agent I have to sign up on the day of hiring are shortly there after with my Multiple Listing Service which in my state is almost $200.00 to sign up plus quarterly payments and is mandatory or I dont work for any brokerage.

I then have to sign up with the Board of Realtors to allow my designation to be placed on my advertising and I also have to sign up for my Use & Occupation Insurance. All of this is required to work in the real estate business. And of course I have to supply my own criminal back ground report before being hired.

Now am I an employee of the brokerage that I signed on with or am I in business for myself?

Now that I am an employee/business I have to advertise in the paper when I am looking for people that need help with their real estate needs then I have to spend my own money to advertise these folks real estate even tough my broker is getting a portion of the commission that he/she is paying me.

So I want to make it clear that most real estate and most financial industries require that you affiliate and sign on to their affiliates in order to maintain your position with the company and in order to be productive in you new position.

Just because you never worked a job that require you to put out cash or your card does not mean it doesnt exist nor does it give you much validity in your complaint about this Zip Nota Zilch company. Any company representing the top 500 companies has to have some validity.

I appreciate your passion but after checking out a few rip off site and the BB and doing other research I can not find any real complaints with this company. Now the fortune 500 companies that they represent is another story.

I will probably sign on with this company because I have had my share of rip offs and this company might fizzle out as well as most companies do but as of this writing I am not associated with NZN but I believe it will present a good opportunity for my wife so I will jump in and give it a try then I can speak about the company with a better understanding.

Once again thank you for the warning but I had to clarify you comments about never worked for a company that requires you to give any kind of monetary information to them or any affiliate they work with, or purchase through because there are many companies that do.
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#27 Author of original report

UPDATE: ZNZ DOESN'T KNOW WHAT IT IS!!!

AUTHOR: Denise - (United States of America)

This is getting serious!! I just looked at my credit card statement and on 6-17-12 my card was charged in the amount of $39.90. The unauthorized charge was made by Experian Credit Report, a sister company to Free credit report .com.

One of the companies Zipnodaziltch refers people to for trials.  

The distressing thing about this is that not only did I opt out of Experian in writing when I was supposed to, (5 business days) but in looking for a number to call to speak with someone at Experian regarding the unauthorized charge to my credit card I came across several (around 25-50) complaints from people stating they never even contacted Experian and found charges in the amounts of $19 to $21 dollars against their cards. 
 
When they spoke to a representative at Experian they where told that several people who's names the card holder didn't know or had ever heard of made the charges. 

Experian must have been trying to charge my card for about 2 months now. I only keep the amount of money I need on it for stuff I want to do online. (it's a prepaid card) I opted out way back in May. 

If you want to look for some of these complaints just type experian credit report dispute charges in your search engine to see them.  

These people have had to close out bank accounts, or put fraud blocks on their cards and accounts because of this.
 
I personally will be filing a fraud report with the Federal Trade Commission,  the Federal Communications Commission, and the Federal Bureau  of Investigation, against Experian. 

I believe that in all fairness, and to not be too accusive, it could be fair to say that it is simply a case of someone's database being hacked.

I stated in the very first report I placed in this forum that having to use your credit card or any other monetary device to become an "employee" of this company could be a way of getting your personal information to steal your identity, and that one doesn't know if your information is accessible by these people, it appears that I could have been correct in my assumption.

I intend to hold Experian primarily responsible for this.

Because ZipNodaZiltch doesn't seem to know if it's a business or an employer I don't believe it would serve any purpose other than to be vindictive. And it wouldn't be fair to accuse them of this when their name isn't the one on the receiving end of this unauthorized charge. (which by the way doesn't mean ZNZ isn't behind this)

But I have every intention of making sure ZipnodaZiltch and it's "employees"/"Business owners" whichever it is are thoroughly looked into.

Even if Zipnodaziltch isn't responsible for this, they are refiring people to businesses like Experian, and that in itself should be held against them, especially because they say they represent fortune 500 companies.
 
If this is an example of the type of fortune 500 companies they represent everyone better look out, and expect to be ripped off by the companies Zipnodaziltch represents. And this speaks volumes about Zipnodaziltch in itself. 
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#28 Author of original report

ZNZ DOESN'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.!!!!!

AUTHOR: Denise - (United States of America)

Clearly it's easy to say some people want something for little or no effort when your definitely so confused.

In my original writing I asked a simple question: is ZNZ a business or job.

The rebuttal states both a job and a business.

So again I ask is this a job or a business. ZNZ doesn't seem to know itself.

Clearly an entity that can't define itself is a SCAM!!!

I still can't seem to get a strait answer to a simple question. And I suspect it's because the people involved don't know themselves.

They are told in the introduction video that This is not a business. And again I state. If this is a job there should be no need for an employee to pay any money, or use any card or monetary device of any kind to be an employee.

If this is a business, as a business you're bound by certain business laws. I don't believe it's to much to ask for the knowledge of how I'm defined in an organization, I have an association with.

So it's my belief that I'm correct for considering an entity that can't define itself as a SCAM!!!.

And once again lets put into the equation that some offers REQUIRE that you follow through with taking a very high interest loan, or a very high interest credit card to be considered having completed an enrollment to get credit to begin earning money for this company.

I'm not saying you have to sign up for one of these offers, but what I am saying is that if you should choose one of these options to complete the enrollment to be considered for commission payments you will certainly be paying out the nose in interest rates, not to mention the fact that payday loans are banned in some states. What does that tell you about them?

Every rebuttal this company places invites you to take a look, as a way of defending themselves. I think if I were you I would think long and hard about that.

This company doesn't know if its an employer or a business. That in itself says scam to me. Joint at your own risk.    

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#29 Consumer Comment

Martin Wilson , Texas, ZNZ, ZipNadaZiltch

AUTHOR: Will - (United States of America)

Run for the hills. This guy is as nasty as it gets. Oh yeah he is like a sugar coating until he sucks you into his bogus work at home and marketing programs. After he sucks you in then he is as nasty as they come and does not want to help you....he already made his money on you.

Save your time and money by avoiding this fraud, Martin Wilson who's real name is Andrew Martin Wilson of Texas I will be filing a formal complaint to the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and you should to if you had a bad experience. We need to get this guy out of the Internet Marketing and Work at Home business ASAP so other people are not hurt.


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#30 UPDATE Employee

Letter to Skeptics

AUTHOR: heylolly - (United States of America)

There are always people out there who want something for no effort or nothing. They take the time to write this up in a negative way... rather than just working it and possibly making some money.

I can assure you that ZipNadaZilch, our parent company, and the company that pays us is NOT a scam. They've been in business for over 4 years and have paid out over $3.5Million in commissions. They are also working alongside very stable, strong, Fortune 500 companies backed by the BBB. I encourage you to do your research on Google and you'll see very positive feedback about ZNZ.  

It may sound "too easy" or "too good to be true". However, here's the deal. It is very "easy" to sign up and become enrolled and land this job. We don't require any application process or job interview at this time to be part of our training team. The only requirement to get paid by ZipNadaZilch is to complete some free or very low cost trial offers of their products and services and yes, you need to use your debit, credit or prepaid debit card to do that. You see, these companies are advertising on the site in the hope of brining in new long term customers.  

However, it is our job to only drive traffic to the site and obtain sign-ups for the trials. It is the Fortune 500 companies' jobs to wow them into being long term customers. We get paid commissions whether people choose to keep the service or not. Our training is designed to help people implement some basic strategies to get their business going. The only major catch is that you have to do the work. It will not happen overnight or by itself. You have to put effort into it on a consistent basis, whether that be full-time or part-time. That is why we advertise this position as a work from home JOB.  

Our Team is unique because we actually provide hands on training for people who want to earn money at home. Our training includes a dedicated training site, one-on-one coaching, Daily Training Webinars from our leaders, a private Facebook group for virtual support 24/7 and ongoing conference calls and other marketing activities. If you need a job, extra money or are struggling, we encourage you to sign up and give it a try. There is no risk to you other than some time to get acquainted with our training, group, and materials.  If you want to give it a shot, there is no obligation and nothing to lose. Watch a short video. Then, log in and spend 20 minutes looking at the job description/overview to decide if this program is for you!
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#31 Author of original report

Zip Nota Zilch Business or job?

AUTHOR: Denise - (United States of America)

If this is on the up and up, how is it that you state this is not a business, but you have to give your credit card information to any affiliate your working with? I have never worked for a company that requires you to give any kind of monetary information to them or any affiliate they work with, or purchase through.

So is this a job or is this a business? In your rebuttal you certainly don't distinguish wether or not this is a job or a business. So who is the business? and who's getting the business? Please don't insult my intelligence by saying I didn't follow instruction. It was because I followed instruction I saw what was going on.

And if I hadn't given my undivided attention to the videos I wouldn't have heard you say this isn't a business, and may not have questioned the legitimacy of a "job" requesting monetary information to work for them. So again I ask is this a job or a business. There doesn't seem to be any real distinction, other than you stating this is not a business.

I believe my point is simple, no legitimate company requires any monetary information of any kind from an employee. If you're doing a business, then some form of monetary information may be required. You say daily pay. Well, I joined ZNZ one and was joined for about two days, where is my pay? you claim daily pay, but I have never recieved any payment of any kind. (Please don't bother, I don't want to file a 1099 for a "JOB" I only worked for 2 days)

In closing, I don't believe it's ethical to represent ZNZ as employment when clearly there is a business aspect to it. And not only that, it's not ethical to have offers that "REQUIRE"  people to accept high interest loans, or credit cards and say this is free employment. This is obviously not free employment. Thank you for the insight of your "BUSINESS"

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#32 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Person Did Not Follow Directions.

AUTHOR: Drew - (U.S.A.)

This person did not follow instructions, which are very detailed.

There is a detailed webinar that explains exactly how this program works. It gives full disclosure and nothing is hidden.

There are also detailed instructional videos and detailed step by step instructions with screen shots.

The use of a credit card in this program is discussed in great lengths in all the videos and this person obviously did not watch them with undivided attention.

On occasion, some of the offers do require tiny monetary outlays and I make it perfectly clear that they will be reimbursed for such.

ZNZ goes to great lengths to insure that nothing is misrepresented in any way and they will absolutely not let anyone participate that gives any erroneous facts about how this works. They scrutinized me to the N'th degree.

I make myself available by phone and by email and answer both many, many, many, etc. times a day when people need help, so  how someone can say anything other than this is completely on the up and up is beyond me. Come see for yourself.

Martin Wilson

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