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Complaint Review: Dawn Dalyce - Sugar N Spice Chihuahuas

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  • Submitted: Sat, August 11, 2007
  • Updated: Sat, December 29, 2007

  • Reported By:Concord California
Dawn Dalyce - Sugar N Spice Chihuahuas
19756 Third Ave Stevinson, California U.S.A.

Dawn Dalyce, Sugar N Spice Chihuahuas selling dogs with genetic weaknesses Stevinson California

*Consumer Comment: Sociopath....

*Consumer Comment: Sociopath....

*Consumer Comment: Sociopath....

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: I choose Science, and experience over uneducated opinions.

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DOUBLE MERLES! WHO IN THE RIGHT MIND WOULD BREED DOUBLE MERLES?

Double Merles will have hearing deficiencies. As with Pattern White pups, if the excess white does not affect inner ear pigmentationG, they will be able to hear, or have only minimal hearing loss (or possibly only in one ear). It is not possible to tell if a Double Merle dog is deaf by looking at any visible hair on the ears (look through our Pictures page for examples). An interesting article is at Clan Duncan Shelties Growl Pages - Seeing Double.

Double Merle dogs may also have a variety of eye defects that can occur in any color eye (see Double Merle Eyes for some pictures), referred to as "Merle Ocular Dysgenesis." Many dogs will have multiple eye defects, and most of those will have some vision loss, sometimes to the point of blindness. Visible eye defects are often the easiest way to determine whether a dog is a Pattern White or a Double Merle.

Visible Eye Defects in Double MerlesThe pupil may have spiky projections (called "starburst") or jagged/irregular edges (called "eccentric"). This is not the same as a colobomaG, which can occur in the eye of a dog (or human) of any color or pattern. This can make the eye very light sensitive if the pupil doesn't react as well as it should.

Invisible" Eye Defects in Double Merles Double merle dogs are more likely to have defects within their eyes, which will require an exam by a veterinary ophthalmologist for proper diagnosis. None of these conditions are exclusive to double merles.

Cathy
Concord, California
U.S.A.

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#1 Consumer Comment

Sociopath....

AUTHOR: Astrid - (U.S.A.)

one who often knows what they are doing is wrong, but simply does not care and has all kinds of justifications for doing it. Generally sociopaths have high IQ's, tout having a high IQ as if it was a ticket to open doors and/or impress people, and do not see other people as equals. Lack of conscience. A lot of murderers, millionaires/billionaires, and dictators have been found to be sociopaths.

For example:
Ted Bundy
Charles Manson
Dawn Dalyce ----> ????

Hmmmmmmmmm.

It would be lovely if you would get out of breeding Chihuahuas - you are only hurting the breed -- and perhaps take up something else, like raising vermin for fun and profit -- you would have a lot in common.
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Sociopath....

AUTHOR: Astrid - (U.S.A.)

one who often knows what they are doing is wrong, but simply does not care and has all kinds of justifications for doing it. Generally sociopaths have high IQ's, tout having a high IQ as if it was a ticket to open doors and/or impress people, and do not see other people as equals. Lack of conscience. A lot of murderers, millionaires/billionaires, and dictators have been found to be sociopaths.

For example:
Ted Bundy
Charles Manson
Dawn Dalyce ----> ????

Hmmmmmmmmm.

It would be lovely if you would get out of breeding Chihuahuas - you are only hurting the breed -- and perhaps take up something else, like raising vermin for fun and profit -- you would have a lot in common.
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#3 Consumer Comment

Sociopath....

AUTHOR: Astrid - (U.S.A.)

one who often knows what they are doing is wrong, but simply does not care and has all kinds of justifications for doing it. Generally sociopaths have high IQ's, tout having a high IQ as if it was a ticket to open doors and/or impress people, and do not see other people as equals. Lack of conscience. A lot of murderers, millionaires/billionaires, and dictators have been found to be sociopaths.

For example:
Ted Bundy
Charles Manson
Dawn Dalyce ----> ????

Hmmmmmmmmm.

It would be lovely if you would get out of breeding Chihuahuas - you are only hurting the breed -- and perhaps take up something else, like raising vermin for fun and profit -- you would have a lot in common.
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I choose Science, and experience over uneducated opinions.

AUTHOR: Dawn - (U.S.A.)

Dr. Strain sent Danna Ceja what he is submitting to TNT after the misquotes that Gloria Lambert wrote in the June issue, he also sent it to Peggy Wilson President of the Chihuahua Club Of America to present it at the nationals.

Merle

George M. Strain, PhD

Recent issues of Top Notch Toys have printed dialog about the merle gene, especially relating to its presence in the chihuahua breed. One particular article (1) cited research of mine (2) with an incorrect interpretation that I wish to correct. In addition, I would like to provide unbiased up-to-date information on the merle gene that may inform and clarify the debate on this issue. I have been performing research on hearing and deafness since the late 1980's, and am identified as a leading authority on deafness in dogs, so I am well positioned to provide this information. I should point out that publications and writings of mine from past years discussing the merle gene no longer represent my opinion, as recent research has led me to change my position.

The above cited article contained the statement that AAccording to Dr. George Strain merle and piebald dogs with blue eyes are 50% more likely to be deaf.@ The research from which this was drawn only applied to the piebald gene and only applied to the Dalmatian breed, where blue eyes and deafness are a wide-spread problem (30% of US Dalmatians are deaf in one or both ears). My research did not apply to dogs with merle, and I am unaware of any study examining this issue using adequate numbers of dogs and dogs from breeds other than Dachshund, where the published studies have limitations (see below).

Two pigment genes are associated with deafness in dogs: piebald (S) and merle (M). Piebald, which is present in Dalmatians, bull terriers, cocker spaniels, Jack Russell terriers, Chihuahuas and others, is a recessive gene. There are three recessive alleles for piebald: Irish spotting (is), piebald (sp), and extreme white piebald (SW); dogs that have uniform color without white carry the dominant allele (S). The piebald gene produces areas of white by suppressing pigmentation cells (melanocytes). Merle, which is present in Shetland sheepdogs, Australian shepherds, Dachshunds, Great Danes and others, is a dominant gene. Merle produces a color pattern where patches of color are diluted or absent (white); animals homozygous with the recessive allele (mm) have solid color. Dogs with piebald must be homozygous to have areas of white, while merles can be either heterozygous (mM) or homozygous (MM). There is no evidence to suggest that dogs carrying both the piebald and merle genes have an increased likelihood of deafness.

Much of the literature on merle in the past focused on problems seen in homozygous merles and in breeds where the merle gene can produce dramatic effects B in some cases including deafness, blindness and microphthalmia, and sterility. Even heterozygous dogs in these breeds can have less serious visual and auditory deficits. This indeed happens with some breeds, but unfortunately many people have taken this truth and extrapolated it to apply to all breeds carrying the merle gene, which is not true. For example, dogs in the Catahoula breed can be homozygous merle without any of these health defects, and heterozygotes do not seem to be affected. Until recently it was not possible to even distinguish between mM and MM merles in some breeds.

Since not all breeds carrying the merle gene experience the deleterious effects, it is incautious to proclaim that the presence of this pattern in a breed will be injurious to the breed without first investigating whether deaf or blind dogs result from breeding heterozygous merles. Are there any known deaf or blind merle Chihuahuas? If so, are they heterozygous or homozygous? In many breeds carrying merle, breeders know not to breed homozygous merles, and visual and auditory deficits do not seem to be a problem in the heterozygotes. Studies have examined auditory function (3) and visual function (4) in heterozygous and homozygous dappled (merle) Dachshunds, as described in several writings by Dr. Malcolm Willis. These studies, from geographically and numerically restricted populations, found hearing loss and deafness and visual abnormalities, but only examined small numbers of dogs B 38 in the first study and 18 in the second. Dappled Dachshunds, when carefully bred to avoid MM, do not appear to have deafness or blindness in the general population, so one must be careful to not raise alarms at the presence of merle in a breed until experience shows that a true problem exists.

A large leap in understanding merle occurred when Clark and Murphy of Texas A&M University identified and sequenced the canine gene for merle in 2006 (5). The gene, named SILV, (also known as Silver in mice) plays a role in pigmentation in skin, eye, and ear. Dogs with the merle phenotype have a short piece of DNA inserted into this gene B a DNA modification known as a short interspersed element (SINE). This work was performed with Shetland sheepdogs, then confirmed in merles from eleven other breeds, including chihuahua. The sequence of the SINE was the same in all breeds, suggesting that all breeds in the study shared a common ancestor. The merle SINE insertion has three components: a head, a body and a tail; the latter contains a long string of repeated adenine nucleotides (polyA). For a dog to show the merle phenotype, it must have both the SINE insertion and a polyA tail that is of sufficient length (90-100 adenine repeats). Some merle-merle breedings produce homozygous merles called cryptic because they don=t show the merle phenotype, and when bred they do not produce any merle offspring. It turns out that the polyA tail in cryptic merles has been truncated to 65 or fewer adenine repeats. So, the merle gene phenotype can revert to the non-merle in one generation. In the same way, it is theoretically possible for the polyA tail length to increase from genetic processing error, spontaneously producing a merle (5,6). The likelihood of this possibility is unknown but probably low.

It has been suggested that merle appeared in the chihuahua breed from a cross to another breed, such as the Dachshund. Others have suggested that the gene has been present for many generations, but that the pigmentation pattern was incorrectly described, such as blue and tan or black and silver. A single event of the first possibility might still make it hard to explain all of the merle chihuahuas now in existence. Regardless of the source of merle in the breed, to my knowledge there is no data at this time to suggest that merle chihuahuas are prone to visual or auditory problems. I would encourage the breed organization investigate the prevalence of visual and auditory disorders in merle chihuahuas prior to making decisions affecting the breed standard.

More information on deafness in general can be found on my research web page: Deafness in Dogs and Cats, www.lsu.edu/deafness/deaf.htm.

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I prefer to get my information from SCIENCE, not from judgmental, uneducated, NOBODYS , who think they have a right, to hide behind a first name and city as their only ID and slander other people. Why didn't you dare confront me in person?

I have a GORGEOUS litter of 8 , healthy, big fat, 6 week old, double merle puppies. They will be vet checked and health guaranteed. They show no signs of eye or hearing problems, just like the EXPERTS say. People have bred double merle Australian Shepherds and Collies for decades, and double dapple dachshunds....and the double dapple marking is common enough to be a marking choice on AKC registration. So I guess AKC promotes abuse in YOUR opinion ??

Heart defects, and cancer run in some families, like my husbands family. Guess they should never be allowed to breed, right HITLER?? I think my geneticly risky grandchildren are still superior in some ways. Do your children read at 6th grade level in kindergarden? Or produce movies on their own computers in the 1st grade to turn in for "homework" ??? Mine do.

You say there is a risk of hearing loss in one ear. Boo hoo. I have that, and a 168 IQ. Last I heard this is a FREE Country, and taking a little risk is not Animal Abuse, but calling me an Abuser is Slander, do you dare to identify yourself???? Come on, email me in person with your full name address and phone numbers.... you sleeze.
The USA lost astronauts exploring space. You wouldn't have them risk driving to work would you?

There is no such thing as a perfect dog with perfect genes. Creative breeders, push the envelope. The last perfect MAN walked on water....can you? HE also said JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED. So, watch out. A genetic weakness is usually complimented or offset by a special strength.
You're an opinionated moron, so you probably have perfect hearing, right? Well, hear this.

Get a life and butt out of mine. Dawn Dalyce
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