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  • Submitted: Mon, September 26, 2011
  • Updated: Fri, January 25, 2013

  • Reported By: me — Internet USA
Folkner Danes
Checotah, Oklahoma United States of America

Folkner Danes Kim Folkner Don't meet the demands of this breeder......well, read what she'll do! Checotah, Oklahoma

*General Comment: I would like to add my story about the wrath of Kim Folkner, Folkner Danes if you tell her NO on something. Please read below!!!

*Author of original report: CASE CLOSED!

*Consumer Comment: To Kim and her supporters

*Author of original report: Kim Folkner, YOU'RE A COMPLUSIVE LIAR!

*Consumer Comment: Not a reputable breeder

*Author of original report: Finally a rebuttal that's not white trash talk

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Sad and Pathedic!

*General Comment: LOL. This is NOT Kim.

*Author of original report: I KNOW who you are.....

*Author of original report: You titling yourself "meathead" is fitting

*Consumer Comment: What is your Problem!

*Consumer Comment: Oh Wow !!!

*Consumer Comment: Her dogs are ALL healthy.

*General Comment: Get over yourself!

*Consumer Comment: geeez....

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Beware buyers of the outrageous behavior of the breeder!

Let me explain this very unusual report, it's not a ripoff, just a HUGE warning.  I found Folkner Danes on puppyfind.  I called Kim (breeder) to inquire about one of the puppies she had for sale.  The puppy was a lethal white Great Dane.  If you don't know what that is, google it.  I won't get into my thoughts on that.  Anyway, the baby is pure white (not normal for a Dane), she is deaf & blind.  Honestly, that's not the problem, I chose to purchase this baby.  I have a special place in my heart for special needs animals. 

The problem started when it came close to my baby (Hope is her name) to come home.  Kim told me that a few of the pups in Hope's litter were sick.  I panicked & asked her to put Hope into quarantine.  I then ask if I could arrange to get her a few days earlier than planned.  I just wanted my baby out of whatever sickness was going on. 

If I'm not mistaken, I even think one of the pups passed away.  Kim, said basically no to getting my baby a little earlier. She said it was a strict standard that all pups go home when they're exactly eight weeks old.  I argued that a few days didn't make any difference & besides I wanted my baby while she was still healthy & out of that situation.

I did get my baby a few days early, but the dealings with Kim (breeder) were very unpleasant.

Now, to get to the point of all of this.  Hope (puppy) is almost a year old.  During all of this time Kim has NEVER inquired about how she was doing even knowing that Hope is blind & deaf.  Really, didn't expect to hear from her especially with us not being on good terms.  Actually, planned to NEVER deal with her & her control issues ever again.

Here's the kicker,  I got an e-mail from her  (almost a year into my baby's life), she wanted me to send her a picture of
Hope.  I told her that Hope is doing great & no I would not take the time to send her any pictures because one, how strange to care after all of that time, two, I told her that we had left the transaction on very unpleasant terms & to never contact me again. 

So, I will not say what I would love to say about my thoughts of this person.  But, I will copy & paste her e-mails & leave them for you to make a judgment call on.  The second e-mail is the wrath of Kim if you don't follow her commands.  As a breeder & seller of dogs, she seems to think that she has some kind of ownership or control of the puppy that you purchase from her for I guess, the rest of the puppy's life.  I don't see purchasing a rabbit, gerbil or ferret from Petco, then they demand an update & picture of it after almost a year, actually never would expect them to ever ask....LOL!

Kim states that it's a requirement when you purchase one of her dogs.  Never heard of that.  I can see if you purchase one & feel you would like to send a picture to let her see how much the baby has grown.  But as the buyer, I think that's purely up to us & if you especially have a bad encounter with the breeder......well, call me crazy, but most would choose to NOT ever be in contact with the breeder again.

Anyway, read below.  I'll leave it up to you on whether you would want to deal with someone that has this kind of mentality.  Make note of the spellings....
Hi,

I would like to see some updated pictures of Hope I have not heard from you since you've gotten her. Please let me know and feel she is okay Also would love updates and pic's of both the girls please.


Thank You,
Kimberly Folkner


 (READ THE SECOND ONE I RECEIVED AFTER I TOLD HER THAT I WOULD NOT  SEND A PICTURE & NOT TO E-MAIL ME AGAIN)

The last line in her e-mail below is insane.....she says, "Note....DO NOT CONTACT ME AGAIN.  She contacted me first.......freaky!

YOU ARE ONE PATHETIC WOMAN!!! I will tell everyone I know not to ever sell to u no owner why ur husband left your a physic witch!!! U r lucky I.gave that dog to you if it.was my decision she would be in another home. You knew my.requirements but good luck I have ur contact info I will spread threw the internet. NOTE.... DO NOT CONTACT ME AGAIN

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>Here's the information your contact submitted from http://www.folknerdanes.com/

Folkner Danes
Breeding Quality European
and American Danes
www.folknerdanes.com
Look us up on Facebook-
Folkner Danes
Location: Eastern,
Oklahoma

SO WHAT DO YOU THINK?  WANT TO DEAL WITH THIS BREEDER?

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#1 General Comment

I would like to add my story about the wrath of Kim Folkner, Folkner Danes if you tell her NO on something. Please read below!!!

AUTHOR: Royal Danes - (United States of America)

Below I have also added pictures of the contract that Kim Folkner, Folkner Danes Signed... please read what is written right above her signature!  

Ok, so I'm fed up with this woman and would like EVERYONE to see what this woman is really about. I have 2 pups that have come back from 1 line with wobblers and one has wobblers and mild HD. They are both just 1yr old. I did not create the line. It was a line I thought was amazing and was lied to greatly and now myself and my poor puppy people/puppies are paying for it. I'm so upset and saddened by it, but I eliminated the line completely and I'm making it right by those that have actual issues. Please read what this woman is wanting from me and how she has treated me when I have been nothing but kind and fair to her ESPECIALLY when her dog does NOT have ANY ISSUES!! I have changed the name's of 2 people and 1 dogs name in this and that is it, I don't want to include them in this, but I would like EVERYONE to know what kind of a person Kim Folkner from Folkner Danes really is. I'm sorry if you are friends with them, I would have a hard time with any of my friends if they could treat someone like this.... and I'm not the first! I'm just the first to stand up to her and to voice this! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

Folkner Danes
I talked to Erin about Pandora having HD, and possable wooblers, has any of the other siblings from her litter or any other litters had any problems?. With what you've told me and everyone about the lines and with her dog having gentic problems. Diamond does not need to be bred. Where do you and I go from here?. I stopped communication this summer as you never called me back like you said you would. I've always made pic's public so you can view and here is another recent pic of her, she is 1yrs old today. I called and left you a message, please call me 918-843-1889 or email back either or is fine.
December 26, 2012
4:29pm
Sara Foss
I'm in bed sick with a fever, so I won't be calling today.
I never called you back???? That's a bold faced lie Kim. I have our texts from the last day we spoke. You called me a bitch.
Where do we go from here??? Does diamond have hip issues or wobblers? Has she been xrayed?
I told you last time you wanted to place her because of the line issues and VWD that I would replace her with a Mena pup...you didn't want a pup... I even offered to split the shipping with you on getting diamond back and the puppy to you, I would spay her, place her and send you the money.....you said no, you didn't want another pup...offered you Mena...you didn't want her bc she wasn't proven....you stopped talking to me after I told you I wouldn't approve you selling diamond to a full AKC home...but to a pet home only. Because if YOU weren't comfortable breeding her then it was not ok selling her to a breeding home...you called me a bitch, deleted me from Facebook and stopped talking to me. So it wasn't because I didn't call you back.
X-ray diamond and then we will go from there, If she has issues.
I'm not the one that screwed the line up, I was fed a bunch of lines and paid a ton of money that I am now out because of someone else's lines...I've done my part and gotten rid of the line. Now I'm doing my part taking care of Erin n pandora because she has had the X-rays done.
There are no others with issues from pandora's litter but there is a male from ema x Hans litter with wobblers. (ema is kaisers full sister)....there was another claiming HD but I just found out she had tick fever and never had the hip X-rays done...she is going to do X-rays in a month once the tick fever is gone...bc tick fever affects joints and will make them walk funny and limp..ESP the rear.
So what this boils down to is I tried to replace diamond once for you already when she didn't have any issues...you declined. Im not replacing a dog that is fine. If you X-ray her and there's issues...then we will go from there. This is NOT me being a bitch. This is me being honest and I've already tried once and you weren't happy with any of my offers which were all more than fair ESP for a pup that had no issues.
You have breeched the contract as well in a couple ways and one of them was feeding her diamond puppy food. My contract states they are to NEVER be fed puppy food. I'll be willing to over look these things IF and ONLY IF diamond actually has an issue with HD or wobblers. Please contact me again once she has had X-rays and we will move forward.
4:31pm
Folkner Danes
Never call me a lier I said I was not trying to be a b*tch you said you will call me back since you and your husband was fishing and enjoying your time together so dont blow smoke up my a**! You dont think me and Erin talk?
Just you know I am selling Diamond! I have text saying I have permission, you knew these dogs were junk defects!
We have nothing further to talk about!
4:36pm
Sara Foss
You sell her on full AKC and I will see you in court! You are also supposed to send me the new owners information once you sell her...THAT was the agreement. You are an impossible woman to work with! I tried to replace diamond MONTHS ago but you weren't happy with ANYTHING. I told you I would call you back and we continued texting....you called me a *itch in text and to no longer contact you....so why would I have called you back????
Blowing smoke up your a**...really??? Grow up Kim! I told you to X-ray diamond and I would replace her if there is something wrong.
4:37pm
Sara Foss
Funny you call diamond junk but you were telling everyone else how excited you were to breed her to Joker, even have a waiting list. Now piper has issues and there junk.
4:41pm
Folkner Danes
See me in court! I bought the POS on full AKC I can do as I please but un like you I wont sell shit dogs!. How about this take me to court maybe I should sue you for selling me a junk dog, knowing of health issue. You told Erin that "If Kim didnt hate me I would tell her about Kaisers pups from other litters with HD and wobblers and give her 2k back or a pup from Mena. HAHA! If I bred that pos and had defects I would sue you for all the shit dogs that was produced!!!
4:42pm
Folkner Danes
i had a list while back have NOT advertised upcoming pups since I was unsure about the dog. I should have gotten rid of her months ago.
4:44pm
Folkner Danes
I can do as I please! She is mine to do so. I was giving your a courtsy email. With options. I will NOT breed a dog that has a defective sister I amd not going to sink more money into Diamond for xrays, to see if she has a issue. She may not but can produce it I am not risking it. I've not once bad mouth you, even though I got a reason to.
4:45pm
Folkner Danes
I am not claming issues on her other than she is the most stupidest dog I've ever owned! If I do xrays you want to refund not only my 2K but my medical cost I shed out on the VWD, and xrays to see if she has issues?
4:46pm
Sara Foss
That's a bold face f**king LIE I did NOT say I'd give your 2k back. I said I if Kim didn't have such an issue with me and deny every option I've given her I'd ask her to send diamond back and I'd let her have a Mena puppy.
You have NO OK to sell her with full AKC!
4:47pm
Folkner Danes
Put yourself in my shoes! Oh wait guess you've been in my shoes but yet you sold 2 b*tches from Drift wood Danes on Full AKC but yet the lines are defective sh*t does right, knowing Angel wants her pups and dogs back not for resale. seriously.
Well I have all rights to sell Diamond, give her away! at my discrestion!
I am not asking your permission! Simple get off your high horse! I am not one of them other bitch breeders you think you can f**k with!
4:49pm
Sara Foss
I told you that it was an oops line bred litter...you didn't care then
No breeder refunds the money and vet bills Kim. You know that as a breeder. I will gladly replace her and pay the shipping on the pup if she has HD or wobblers
4:49pm
Folkner Danes
I dont want another dog from you if it was no other option it would be sold! I want no ties to the lines nor you.
4:49pm
Sara Foss
I had permission in several emails from Angel stating I could sell the dogs.
No you don't have rights at your descretion...you signed a contract!
4:49pm
Folkner Danes
Yes I am not upset about an oppps litter you know that
I got text saying you have permission
Go ahead sue me!!! I will win and turn around and sue you! I got a case! Go open one!
You telling me that no other Kaiser pups have HD or Wobblers???
4:51pm
Sara Foss
No you don't. Because my texts said TO A PET HOME ON SPAY ONLY....then the last text before you called me a b*tch says " I want diamond returned and I will spay her and place her or you may rehome her once proof of spay is sent to me"
4:51pm
Folkner Danes
Who in their right mind will buy this dog on Full AKC really!! I wont lie about the issues!
I want her to have a pet home
No you gave permission!!! then when I said she may go to a breeder friend you said Oh if she aint good for your program she shouldnt be sold on full I said to bad I have her on Full AKC
Take that to a judge
I never called you a *itch!
I got all text you wanna read??????
If I called you one I would say yep I sure did. You need to grow up
4:53pm
Sara Foss
You don't have a case because you won't X-ray diamond Kim. You can't sue me for Erin's dog having an issue but your dog doesn't have an issue... send the texts, I have them already lol
4:53pm
Folkner Danes
As if you even care
you not asked about pics or how she is
I never said I have an issue
my dog dont have a issue that I know of!
4:53pm
Sara Foss
I haven't had to. There on fbook just as you said and I talked to Erin about her
4:54pm
Folkner Danes
I said I am selling her since Pandora has issues!, and the other pups from his other breedings.
Ya I am such a *itch I let pics be public so you can creep and btw Erin is not her owner! I could have left priviate!
4:57pm
Folkner Danes
I paid for a disease test I should NOT have paid for, and now you telling me to pay for xrays for a dog I am not breeding no dont think so. I can understand if she has issues. I am not claming issues I dont want to chance breeding her to Joker or any other stud and have issues with pups there is that problem, I am not willing to risk it.
4:58pm
Sara Foss
If you want a replacement pup....from a bitch that has been xrayed...X-rays are on my web page and I will take dad in and have his prelims done to show hips are fine bc he has amazing structure I will gladly do that to prove this litter is NOT like piper/diamond lines. Then spay diamond/place her like we originally discussed already spayed and I will gladly re place her. Or send her back, I will spay her and place her (send u the money as I stated originally)...and you can have a replacement pup. This whole time I said I'm not trying to be a b*tch...but you turned down EVERYTHING I offered you last time so what the hell could I have done?
4:59pm
Folkner Danes
I was going to place her in a pet home with a friend of my husbands for FREE!! as a inside pet only
5:00pm
Sara Foss
You didn't say that....you got pissed off and said IM SELLING HER
5:00pm
Folkner Danes
I was not selling her on Full AKC! I wouldnt do that especially what I was told by you, Erin and looking at poor Pandora. I am sure you didnt think in a million yr this would happen.
I am selling her! but not for $$ She is free but he pays for the spay which is $110.00
To me that free
5:01pm
Sara Foss
Fuck no I didn't and I'm crushed and I feel sooooo bad for Erin. I even told her I'd prefer diamond not be bred
5:01pm
Folkner Danes
I have nearly 3500 wrapped up in her if not more...
I am very sure you are I would to
My husband is at work and I text him
and we agreed that we can not breed Diamond
She is a petty girl! Everyone loves her
She's gotten much better about the peeing problem and ya still working on that.
5:03pm
Sara Foss
I completely understand Kim, but I cannot pay for all that and as a breeder you know that too. I have a bitch I paid 4500 for that I now have 6000 in...had she not gotten pregnant I'd be out even more. Look at all my dogs from well....you know who..I'm out a sh*t load of money there.
I'm trying my best with what I can do here Kim.
5:03pm
Folkner Danes
I took her to the state park where a lot of woods were she was so laid back like nothing fased her. Like a everyday natural walk for her
I know
Its hard! I look at it this way also Diamond could be bred this yr even 2 in a row thats between 20+ K lost ontop right and then starting all over it sucks!
I just want help! is all
5:05pm
Sara Foss
I agree. I had to do that too
5:05pm
Folkner Danes
I've had a bad run with Euros and it sucks
What do we do?
5:05pm
Sara Foss
I know how it feels and I told Erin the same thing. I hate it. I'm fed up with full euros
5:06pm
Folkner Danes
Ya its a pain
5:06pm
Sara Foss
If u send me proof of spay and your friend is going to take her and pay you for the spay I can give you a replacement from Mena x Vallant
5:08pm
Folkner Danes
Ok sounds good! I will tell my husband he said he thought Mike wanted a GD. I told him that he will have to post pics and keep you updated.
He has a weiner dog Sacue he dresses up LOL... He isnt gay just a dork
Either way I told my husband that the new owner has to keep in contact with Sara that was before you and I talked today!.
I check with the Vet when they can get her in. She has not had a heat yet
He's on both my FB's super sweet guy. Has a daughter his weiner dog go every where with him and he just loves Joker.
5:12pm
Sara Foss
I think we're both stubborn hard headed b*tches lol
5:12pm
Folkner Danes
LOL i agree!
5:12pm
Sara Foss
I know it's not right to breed diamond with the lines...and thank god only 2 pups went on full AKC
5:13pm
Folkner Danes
right. how are the other pups?
5:13pm
Sara Foss
Sounds like he would be awesome for her
One way down south in tx will not return calls or emails. I'm about to mail her a letter. The other female is awesome. The Harl/pie girl
The female Merle is in Chicago and she's great. She keeps me updated.
My friend has 2 ema pups and a kaiser x daisy pup and she said all 3 of hers are great.
5:16pm
Folkner Danes
thats good. Which pups had the issues from kaisers other litters
Some lines dont mix well, also.
5:16pm
Sara Foss
Hans the male I used with ema may have contributed to her pups as well...but linking it to kaiser n ema being related either way it doesn't look good
5:16pm
Folkner Danes
right
5:17pm
Sara Foss
Merle male at 8mo was diagnosed with wobblers...but she just called me last week. Waiting on there X-rays. They don't want a pup they just asked for 500 towards vet bill
Mantle pie female has Tick fever. Clearly that's not genetic...but vet said she had severe HD...I thought they did X-rays...nope nada....I researched tick fever and called my vet...it can cause inflammed joints and problems walking. So once tick fever is gone they will X-ray her
5:21pm
Folkner Danes
thats sad
now is that from Kaiser and who's liter?
I will send you pic's of Diamond if you want. I dont think she has and issues but her legs are wide set if that makes since
Not cow hawked
I had all plans to health test her before her 1st litter until today
6:45pm
Sara Foss
(pic of Vallant X Mena)
6:45pm
Sara Foss
In 11yrs....soon to be 12yrs I've only had issues with this line. It's beyond frustrating
6:56pm
Folkner Danes
I bet so. its crazy
how breeders breed dogs knowing this ya know
I mean you cant be the only one with issues ya know
beautiful parents
6:56pm
Sara Foss
It's crazy.
Exactly. And I'm not
6:58pm
Folkner Danes
I am sad to see the video of poor Pandora it broke my heart, I feel blessed Diamond isnt like that, and glad she is going to be placed as a pet only!
6:58pm
Sara Foss
Yeah it kills me. I hate this sh*t
A replacement can't fix what's happened to her. Which sucks the most
6:59pm
Folkner Danes
My husband is going to offer her to Mike, I've also placed her for adoption in my 2 groups and a few other friends of mine, showed interest. I told them they will need to sign a contract stating they will give you updates with pictures.
Exactally
6:59pm
Sara Foss
Ok great
7:01pm
Folkner Danes
I want you to know who they are and know where she went. I kinda would like a local home if possiable. But many friends of mine are in other states and are awesome, people most are one's who own pups from us
7:01pm
Sara Foss
So I'm giving Erin 2nd pol and you 3rd pol. I already have a deposit for 1st pol
7:01pm
Folkner Danes
ok
TY
7:01pm
Sara Foss
I trust ur judgement
Are u keeping pup or do u want me to sell it and send u the 2k?
7:21pm
Folkner Danes
Cash is fine
That way you can get more for your puppies. This will be a nice litter both parents are beautiful
8:01pm
Sara Foss
Ok I'll let u choose the pup to sell then
8:02pm
Folkner Danes
Oh ok. TY
10:38pm
Folkner Danes
I found Diamond a pet home with my friend Judi Smith. She will wont leave until Feb. I am getting her spayed in a couple weeks. She is friends with you on FB. I told her to keep you updated on pics and such. She will be in GREAT hands. Mike didnt get back to my husband before I told Judi.
10:39pm
Folkner Danes
I will get you Vet paper work that she's been spayed.
10:51pm
Sara Foss
Sounds great!
Thanks
10:52pm
Folkner Danes
Welcome! Glad it worked out. She is going to a wonderful home. She will fit right in.
10:52pm
Sara Foss
Me too and hopefully she doesn't get any of the issues pandora has
10:53pm
Folkner Danes
Me to
10:53pm
Sara Foss
I think I'm about done with full euros unless there health tested
10:53pm
Folkner Danes
I am health testing all of mine
Joker will be fully tested all over again in Jan.
he will be 2yrs on the 5th
10:53pm
Sara Foss
We are starting after this litter. The full run down
10:54pm
Folkner Danes
Good idea
I am including VWD in mine too
be on the safe side
I got a 18mo bitch who has not had a heat yet and waiting for her to bleed and fully test her
I've done her hips but not everything yet
10:56pm
Sara Foss
Yep were doing vWD also since its becoming more common in the Harl lines of Danes
10:56pm
Folkner Danes
on her
10:56pm
Folkner Danes
I figure do it all and get it done
That way we can fill better about breeding the parents I've never had any issues with my Americans.
10:57pm
Sara Foss
What color?
10:57pm
Folkner Danes
Merle mantle
She does have blue in her 6th gen
10:58pm
Sara Foss
Yep. I'm doing hips, elbows and patellas while there under (vet doesnt change extra...just have to pay the extra OFA fees)
I haven't either till I went euro
10:58pm
Folkner Danes
sounds like a plan
Diamond got along with all the dogs too never a issue. We have doing good with no fights and *itchy , bitches
But the home she is going to has a black rescue dane, husky mix and a lil dog to play with
11:00pm
Sara Foss
I have 1 bitchy bitch but she's only a b*tch when in heat
That's great
December 28, 2012
8:27pm
Sara Foss
Hey are u talking about me in this post? Bc I never have called u a BYB.
Well if I was a byb why am I taking a massive loss on a pup who is healthy but has HD and wobblers in her lines, due to be spayed in 2wks and going to be a beloved pet? I could have said oh she is healthy and breed her but NO I decided NOT to breed her and do whats right. But yet they dont know that. I told her I am not a BYB I am a FYB (Front Yard Breeder) get that right haha.
8:46pm
Folkner Danes
No not you
8:47pm
Sara Foss
Ok
8:48pm
Folkner Danes
Had some woman say to Erin i am a byb and Joker is crap i sent her a lovely message. I said if i was a byb i would breed Diamond and not give 2 shits
8:48pm
Sara Foss
Ugh. Hate ppl like that
8:49pm
Folkner Danes
Me to
She sent me and Erin a friend request and cunt talks shit and not know me or her.
Her dane looked like a blk lab
Guess this show breeder who hides behind her dogs name was talking sh*ts. Green Bean is the name
8:52pm
Sara Foss
Oooooooh I've heard of them.
8:52pm
Folkner Danes
They need a punch in the c*ck sucker
1:53pm
Folkner Danes
Home fell threw for Diamond. I will let you know when she finds a home and with whom.
2:28pm
Folkner Danes
Can you send me a contract stating I get 3rd pick or $2000 option from Full Euro litter once you have proof Diamond is Spayed please. Thank you! I am making her appt. Monday will let you know the date.
3:15pm
Sara Foss
Listen, I am replacing a dog that by contract does not meet the replacement criteria. She is healthy with no known issues. The line has issues, yes. But she does not. I am not doing a contract on a dog that I'm replacing that I really don't have to replace.
There is no guarantee the dog can be bred and the contract states that. The guarantee is that the dog is healthy...and thus far diamond is and youve said she is. I am being courteous enough replacing her as it is. I am not doing a contract.
3:21pm
Folkner Danes
So I am going on your word you will give me 2,000.00 once you recieve Vet documention she is spayed?
3:21pm
Sara Foss
Yes.
3:23pm
Folkner Danes
Ok I will take your word. I will let you know who gets her
3:24pm
Sara Foss
Ok. My word is as good as a contract
Thursday
3:26pm
Folkner Danes
I have 2 homes set up for Diamond I am waiting on the 1st home to give me a yes or no today. I cant get her spayed till mid this mo she wont go anywhere till then I will scan the Vet paper work to you. And let you know who will be owning her. 1st choice is a guy who was gonna buy a pup from me but is considering Diamond, the 2nd is a family who already owns a male from us both GREAT homes but gave home #1 till today to think it over to be 100%.
3:28pm
Sara Foss
Sounds great
2 pups so far from Mena. Harl male and merlequin male
3:29pm
Folkner Danes
Home #1 is in TX, and #2 is 3hrs from me 
Cool!
How many are you expecting from her
3:29pm
Sara Foss
At least 7 from ultrasound
3:30pm
Folkner Danes
Nice!
Good luck!
They will be very pretty pups
3:37pm
Sara Foss
Thanks
Friday
11:43pm
Folkner Danes
Hey thought I would let you know. Diamond has found a home in Amerillo TX. Will let you know when she is spayed. Hope Mena and pups are well, what did you end up getting? Whitney said she needed a c-section hope all went well. Have a good evening, chat later.
Saturday
2:38pm
Folkner Danes
I will give Jose your FB and email to send u updates. She will be leaving the end of Jan. a week after her spaying. Here is a new pic of her thought you might want to see it. Took this morning.
2:41pm
Folkner Danes
Saturday
9:09pm
Folkner Danes
Could you send me pup pics, I maybe interested in keeping the pup.
Whitney showed her's off to me she's a beauty
Today
12:45am
Sara Foss
She's beautiful. Sorry I've been extremely swamped with everything that has been going on. Csection... 2 litters... tube feeding the smaller weaker ones every 3hrs.. vet appt for check ups/dew claws...I haven't had time to sit down and message you back.
I was also waiting on a few calls back before I messaged you.
12:57am
Folkner Danes
Oh bet so goodness
1:28am
Sara Foss
I have spoke to my husband, my close friends (reputable dane breeders) and my attorney. I got a phone call from someone that knows Judi Smith. I was informed that you were selling diamond on a spay at 1500.00, PLUS talking about how you were getting 2000.00 from me so you were making 3500.00 and fucking me over, and laughing about it. That if I DIDN'T give you the money or a pup that you were going to put me up on rip off report. So, I had to contact my attorney and call a few other sources to confirm that the one person was not just talking hearsay. So, it's been confirmed. I am absolutely flabbergasted. I never in a million years thought someone could stoop so low in there life, and sit back and be LAUGHING about it!
I did NOT knowingly breed issues. I told you from the get go that this was a line breed litter that was an oops and never my intentions. You were 1000% fine with it. I did not find out about the issues with Kaiser until I decided to have him neutered. I immediately informed you of the Vwd diagnoses. I even offered to replace Diamond back then if she was sent back to me. You wanted to sell her on full AKC because you didn't feel comfortable breeding the lines... but was ok with someone else breeding them as long as you made your money back. You didn't want a pup or to send her back. So you stopped talking to me and chose to keep her. Once Pandora had an issue then you come to me again. Stating that Diamond is perfectly fine and healthy, yet calling her a junk defective piece of garbage. REFUSE to do xrays on her to see if there is anything wrong with her hips at all. There's NOTHING wrong with her that we know about, yet you demand a replacement or your money back and tell me you are selling her, even though on a return contract, you still didn't care.
I sold her on a full akc because at the time she was a happy healthy puppy and there wasn't an issue with the lines that was known. It is not my fault that the line has issues. I did not create the line. I bought dogs from the line that I thought were amazing and found out later that it was not. I took a HUGE loss on this line, am still out 1200 for 1 pup plus out money on the other 3 as well. It's the dog business, not everything is going to be a profit. You take the loss and move on.
I have been more than fair to you through the whole situation. You disrespected me, my breeding, my pups... calling my dogs garbage, when I offered you mena pup as replacement you said you wouldn't take another dog from me and wanted money. Now you are coming to me saying that you might want a puppy? You really think I would give you another dog to go through all of this again??? Lady you are out of your mind. You have breached your contract in several different ways already, have a dog that is NOT defective or has any known issues yet you make demands and then do this behind my back? For the love of God... what kind of person are you?
I gave you permission to rehome Diamond because I understand the concerns about not wanting to breed her because of the lines and the potential to create pups with issues. I understand that COMPLETELY, which is why I did that. You told me you were placing her for the cost of her SPAY... 120 something dollars. not SELLING HER FOR 1500.00!!!!!!! Seriously??? Did you not think that people talk and it would get back to me?
I gave my word that I would allow you to have 3rd pick or 2000.00, you chose to have the money... so you will NOT get a pick or a puppy again from me ever. I will however, honor my word and do the 2000.00 once puppies are 8-10wks and the money comes in from them leaving. However Diamond is to be returned TO ME PER THE CONTRACT. That means you are to pay for all shipping arrangements for her to get back here. OR you may go ahead and "SELL" her spayed for 1500 and I will give you 500.00 To make up the difference. I am NOT and will NOT be made a laughing s,tock and be screwed over for something that I was trying to make right in the first place because I felt bad. The only one that is getting a replacement pup is Erin because SHE HAS AN ISSUE AND DID THE VET WORK TO SHOW THAT. She is not having to send Pandora back because she loves her and does not want to give her up just because she has an issue, so I am completely 100% ok with that. She has kept me updated on everything with Pandora and her future and has been kind and amazing to work with. She has treated me with respect, she knows I didn't intentionally do this and she has a dog with an actual issue. You are casting Diamond out and she does NOT have an issue.
So there are your options 2000.00 once Diamond is back here (she can be spayed prior to coming or once she arrives...either way is fine and I have a home for her lined up that is paying the actual cost of the spay... 100.00...that is verifiable and you may check with them as well because I don't need to lie about it and screw someone over), or you may go ahead and sell her as you were doing for the 1500 PROOF OF SPAY IS MANDATORY and take the 500.00 balance. You will never receive another dog from me in this lifetime, so that is NOT an option. If you choose to continue to slander me, laugh about me behind my back and think that its ok, or post ANYTING negative about me in any form my attorney is ready to sue. These are the options, that is it. You are lucky to even get those because you do not have grounds for any of it, and any other person there word or not would have told you to go screw yourself with how you have come at me and the things you have done behind my back thinking you are getting one over on me.
I am a very kind hearted person and this most of all has hurt me because I was trying to help you out because I've been in your shoes and know how it feels to work for something and have to take a huge loss on it because of line issues. Well, you ruined that. You showed me what kind of a person you truly are.
If you respond back to me nasty in any way you will get absolutely NOTHING from me... word or not because as of right now you have no grounds for a replacement and my contract states NO CASH REFUNDS and it also states that i do NOT guarantee that your dog will be breedable or breeding quality once it is an adult, chooseing not to breed Diamond is a choice...one I understand, but still a choice. I was doing extremely right by you and this is how I got repayed, shame on me. You have no grounds to bash me, sue me or anything... I have done nothing to you but try to help. So take one of the options offered to you or don't take them at all. I just want this over with and to have you out of my life. I don't have room in my life for someone that treats others like this and thinks that it is ok. The options are presented and the choice is yours.
Sara Foss

Kim's response:
You know what Sara I wouldn't expect any less from you. I am unsure where your getting your so called info. But I do NOT find this horrible roller coster ride funny never had. If I wanted to put you on rip off report or blast you believe me I would have done it long ago!. You can not sue me for telling the truth. I said I was getting rid of Diamond never said I was giving her away for free, the only person I would consider for free was my husbands friend, not anyone else. I have all rights to sell my DOG who is healthy that I know of to anyone whome I feel that will give her a loving home the only agreement you and I have between ea other is you giving me 3rd pick or 2K cash which I chose the cash option, as you said once she is spayed I will refund you your money. Your word is good as the lines you breed, tanted. I can careless what you do, you can honor your agreement or not, I am out thousands of dollars whats a couple more. Diamond has found her home I will still send the spay doc to you since I am a woman of my word. No need to contact me any further.
Kimberly

My response:
See Kim that's where I laugh. I still kept my word. You can have your 2k, but diamond is to be sent back per the contract you signed...I think I need to send you a copy of it again with your signature on it. You are aware that it says texts/emails are NOT written proof for permission, that means in my actual hand writing. You don't want to send her back because your getting 1500 for her as it is. If you knew it wasn't immoral what you were doing you would have told me what you were selling her for. You knew it was wrong, that's why you flipped out on Erin accusing her when she wasn't the one who told me. You told several people who told people who told me. I talked to 4 people who confirmed it. They too thought it was BEYOND WRONG!! My word is tainted?? Really? I've bent over backwards to try and help you replace a dog that HAS NO ISSUES AND IS NOT DEFECTIVE...you repeat over and over that she is healthy and has no issues. After I find out what you are doing behind my back I should have told you to go to hell...no I didn't, still kept my word. You can have your money but your too busy being a stubborn ass on your high horse who thinks everything needs to go as you demand to just send diamond back. You don't give two shits about anyone else's feelings but your own and you certainly could careless about poor Diamond by the way you call her garbage and she's just a dollar sign to you. I'm sorry I ever met such a greedy woman. It's funny you want to talk shit about my lines, those weren't MY lines, I don't own them anymore...never will, and you wanted the puppy from Mena x Vallant...PLEASE READ ABOVE FOR YOUR COMMENT ON THAT. Is your memory that bad? You contradict yourself over and over Kim that you look absolutely stupid. This roller coaster you mentioned is not my doing, thank yourself for that...I didn't lie, I didn't make demands, I didn't disrespect you, and I didn't threaten. You did!! You need to stop coming at me all high and mighty, maybe if you actually realized where you are completely wrong you would get it, everyone else gets it. You've been given your options...that is that. So don't run your mouth and say I'm not giving you anything and your out a ton of money when you have options that you just won't take. That's your choice, and I think your an idiot for not taking one, because you STILL keep mentioning how much money you are out...well there's money for you if you honor the contract. Your word is the one that is tainted Kim. You honor no one else's contracts. You do as you please, bully people around, well guess what...I'm not riding your crazy roller coaster anymore. You will NOT bully me, I've already spoken to my attorney, you cannot do a thing. You've breached your contract, have not gotten written permission to rehome Diamond that is not in the form if text/email and you have slandered me. Yeah, I hear it all Kim, people love to talk about you because you've made soooo many enemies. There is a "We Hate Kim Folkner" group that someone tried to add me to. Come on and I'm the one doing people wrongly? Whatever Kim...take an option or don't. Either way I don't owe you anything and I have cause to sue, you have nothing. So keep running your mouth and pushing my buttons. I'm done being nice. Unless you are contacting me to make arrangements for diamond to come back or giving me the info of her new home, receipt of what they paid along with proof of spay for the 500 difference then I don't need to hear another word from you. Good day

More proof: 

THANK YOU to the person who sent this to me!!! Name has been removed to protect there privacy!! This was sent sometime last week

Our convo about Diamond. She pm'd me out of no where...?

6:46pm
Folkner Danes
Are you looking for a pet or breeder? If your looking for a family Pet I have Diamond available will be spayed prior to leaving my home. If your interested. She is 100% European 1yrs old house broken
Are you looking for a pet or breeder? If your looking for a family Pet I have Diamond available will be spayed prior to leaving my home. If your interested. She is 100% European 1yrs old house broken

7:43pm
What is her rehoming fee?

7:48pm
Folkner Danes
1500 w/ her spay cost
along with yrly shots, dewormed and vet checked from my vet
I am willing to drop her price by $200 help you with ground shipping, cost
That way your not out of a lot of money.
I've lost thousands of dallars on her whats a couple more hundred bucks.

7:52pm
Folkner Danes
She is sweet, loving and gets along with any pets and people. She is healthy, just not a fit for breeding. Its a sad situation dont like the idea of spaying her nor rehoming her but I have 2 retired and 1 more upcoming retiree and just Joker as my Stud and Aurora well heck she is almost 19mo never had a heat so who know's if she will be a mother ever. So for me to continue to breed I have to rehome her if I didnt have the 3 retriees I would keep her.

7:53pm
Aw Im sorry to hear she is not a breeder. Thats ashame because shes a beautiful girl! Im talking with a breeder right now about a litter of euros she is having. If she does not have what I am looking for I may consider it. I really would like to have a euro!
Oh and I just adore Joker! 

7:54pm
Folkner Danes
TY

7:54pm
Youre welcome!

7:54pm
Folkner Danes
I have many PM me about her
who is the breeder
if you dont mind me asking

7:55pm
Ok. I will probably end up getting one from this breeder. Shes 15mins away and has good prices. I wouldnt have to pay shipping. Her name is Bobbi Gentile

7:56pm
Folkner Danes
oh idk
good luck

7:56pm
Shes from NC where I live. Thanks! Good luck with Diamond!

7:56pm
Folkner Danes
remember you get what you pay for
hints is why I am in this perdictument

7:57pm
Oh they are still pricey lol. Just not as much as if I were to have one shipped lol. Im sorry to hear you are in that situation. I hope Aurora comes into heat for you as well!

7:57pm
Folkner Danes
Now I am out nearly 4K
not including food and etc.
Good luck

7:58pm
Im sorry I know thats got to feel awful! I hope you can make some back!

7:58pm
Folkner Danes
haha na will never make my money back

7:58pm
Well i hope at least some!

7:59pm
Folkner Danes
important thing is she gets a forever home

8:00pm
yes that is very important! shes beautiful and im sure you wont have a problem finding her one

8:00pm
Folkner Danes
no dont think I will
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CASE CLOSED!

AUTHOR: a normal person - (USA)

This case is CLOSED, Kimmy!

I've not only CHALLENGED you, but also your poor "so called" supporters to show me the proof.  Nothing, why?  Because, there's none.

You've not only done yourself a HUGE justice by shutting your insane, illiterate mouth, but have done  your poor supporters a favor.  If they have any sense at all, they have to be embarrassed not only by your LIES but by their uneducated responses.

So, far as your FB postings.  I don't follow FB, don't have an account with them.  Your so called "friends" that you think you have, have copied & sent me the postings. I'm still hearing from people....please keep my e-mail posted.  This has been very interesting to hear the responses of others that can't stand you.

I think it's soooo funny how I've managed to get your blood pressure up!  But, I guess "sum" pizza helped that....lol.....just some more of Kimmy's spellings!

I've PROVEN my case lady. Open your LYING ASS MOUTH AGAIN..... well, I'll just keep on proving what an idiot you are.

I'll make one last quote, I'm sure this is from someone whom you admire greatly.  He & you have a lot in COMMON!  Charlie Sheen....."WINNING!"
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AUTHOR: Dane Rescue - (USA)

As I stated in my first rebuttal, I have been in Dane Rescue for years. The Danes that have come into my rescue were ALL products of irresponsible breeding on one level or another. In ANY reputable breeders puppy contract it will state that if the owner is ever unable to keep the puppy/dog, that puppy/dog should be returned to the breeder NO QUESTIONS ASKED. That one piece of the contract ensures that the breeders Danes do not end up in a pound or shelter somewhere.



With that said, I have seen on FB Kim post some of her previous puppies for sale because for one reason or another the original purchasers of the puppy couldn't keep him/her. I'm sure Kim thinks she's being "responsible" by helping these people resell their pup, but THAT my so called educated Dane people, is NOT what is (or SHOULD be) in her contract if she's a "reputable breeder". The dog should be returned to the breeder, as per CONTRACT, so he or she can find a forever home and put the dog under the SAME contract she had the original owners sign. Now, I will freely admit that I've never seen a copy of Kim's puppy contract. I just know what REPUTABLE breeders put in their contracts to ensure their dogs ALWAYS end up in the best homes possible.



Now, lets talk about some of the content of her "website" for a moment. (and BTW Kim, it's not very professional when your website is FULL of misspelled words. That alone would keep me from even considering one of your puppies) It completely BLOWS me away that she has PRICES/DEPOSIT AMOUNTS POSTED FOR PUPPIES that aren't even BORN yet. ALL of you who have posted here claim to know about Danes. Tell me,,,does that make ANY sense to you at all? HOW, HOW, HOW can you post a puppy price before you've even seen the pup? As I said in my original rebuttal, KIM BREEDS ANIMALS ONLY FOR THE MONEY, NOT FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE BREED.



I spoke to Kim once about a puppy she was having a hard time selling. I had seen a picture of him and called her about him. This was before I had learned ANYTHING about her "breeding program". I don't remember now what her price was, but it was somewhere around $800.00. I told her I would have to think about it as that was pretty steep for my budget. She told me who the parents were of the pup, so I went online to look at them. With my knowledge of Danes, I knew after 30 seconds that that puppy was nowhere NEAR worth as much as she was asking. The parents had SO many conformation issues that I was surprised at her apparent pride of them. I only spoke to Kim for about 10 minutes, but when I hung up with her my boyfriend asked me what I'd found out. I told him "there's no WAY I'll buy a dog from that woman,,,,she's high and mighty and aggressive".



If Kim wants to breed a low caliber Dane, that's her business I suppose. KIM,,,HEAR THIS PLEASE,,,,just because a Dane is "HUGE" does NOT mean it's quality bred.



So far with my rebuttals I've maintained class and have just tried to educate people on what a "reputable breeder" is. However, now the angry part of me is going to come out and I mean EVERY word of what I'm about to say. It angers me to my CORE that once you're done making money off of an animal that you neuter them and sell them to whoever will have them. HOW DARE YOU YOU BITCH. These animals loved you, and then you discard them? THAT shows you view your animals as PROPERTY. That to me, proves what a despicable human being you are. You are a bully, have anger issues, and zero class. I would LOVE the chance to flat out bitch slap you.  You may be able to bully most people, but THIS girl will fight back literally and figuratively.



Do you have a kennel license? You'd better hope you do. I have connections all over Oklahoma and you can BET I'm going to find out.



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Kim Folkner, YOU'RE A COMPLUSIVE LIAR!

AUTHOR: a normal person - (USA)

Would have addressed this earlier, but have had a family illness.

So, let the fun begin!

Again, Kimmy, you can't put together sentences or spell.  What's so pathetic about not only your blatant lies in your so called rebuttal, but that this has spell check and you still can't spell....lol!

Illiterate psycho, go read the very top of the home page of "Ripoff Report"........first thing said......complaints, reviews & so on are what this forum is for.  Are you so stupid that you actually can't read either?  So, honey(not hunny, the way you spelled it), this is a complaint.  You poor delusional woman, you DON'T have a good name outside of your white trash circle.  I didn't smear your name, YOU DID.  It's been quite entertaining to sit back & watch you dig your own grave. 

First we have your insane response to a simple NO.  Then, you think you're demeaning me with posting my info on facebook & all you did was put my e-mail out there for ALL of the people who've also dealt with your wrath or the poor quality of their pup, to contact me.  As soon as you were aware of this, you immediately removed my info. 

Then you think that having your white trash friends rebuttal, rebuttal, rebuttal on my post, that it would damage me, again, um, no. Just entertained me!  From the way you spell & talk, it's very obvious that they're your FRIENDS or people that are RELATED to you in some manner.......because(or as one of your illiterate people said "cuz" ) all of the postings are trashy, misspellings & immature.

As soon as I told you that the editor of "Ripoff" informed me that the more action that this post receives, the more it keeps me near your homepage for your website.  The report was once on the second page....now, it's right below you, not a place that you as a, what is it?  breeder? would want it to be!  Anyway, low & behold, NOT one rebuttal appeared after that.  AMAZING!

Oh, tell your one friend & well maybe this will help you to, that "Yes" when typing these rebuttals, there is spell check.  Tutorial time, for you & them, spell check is when you misspell a word, a red squiggly line will  show up underneath it.  You then right click on the word & the correct spelling will magically appear.  You click the correct spelling, but here's the tricky part for you guys, it sometimes gives you multiple choice words. Now, that may throw you all, because you may NOT know which one to choose from!

Anyway, there's not been one rebuttal with any substance, except the person that is a Dane rescue, now they told you not only with class, but pure facts & knowledge! 

Now, let's get down to some business.  Your claim that one baby ate a toxic  substance & you spent hundreds of dollars?  First, it was Waffles & you didn't know what was wrong. Second, from the e-mail that I'm going to post, it also states that I asked that you get a parvo test done, which you informed me via phone that it was negative. Well, just read the e-mails below, it says it all. 

Kimmy, if Waffles was the only one sick because of an eaten toxin, why do you state & your circle states, that you were just being a careful breeder by not letting Hope come home a few days early because she could have possibly been sick?  Well, that should have NOT been an issue since you now state that it was an ingested toxin.  Get it people?    So which story is it?  Please do tell! Got caught with your pants down again!

Okay, freak of nature, quoting from your rebuttal, "tell them the real reason you wanted Hope at 6wks of age you knew my requirements (which you claim Kim is a strict no leave at 8 wks), you threw a fit simply because I said  NO she will not leave no earlier than Monday".  Quote, unquote right?  Well, if your pups CAN NOT leave before 8 weeks, Hope was supposedly 6 wks. & you state that she couldn't leave any earlier than Monday.......what exactly does that mean? By Monday or Tuesday she was going to be 8wks old? Lies don't make sense do they?

The e-mails below state NOTHING about age.  It had to do with whether or not Saturday or Monday was more doable for you. You just keep on a digging girlie. I think your now up to your eyeballs in lies.  

The e-mail will also state why I wanted Hope a FEW DAYS  EARLIER & IT WAS NOT WEATHER RELATED!  Gosh, I'm enjoying this, I really want to thank you......you've given me some laughs that I haven't had in a long time.  I've NEVER met or dealt with anyone & I mean anyone as damn STUPID & downright mean as you!

Okay, white trash friends & relatives of this idiot, e-mails proving that she didn't know what wrong with Waffles, that Hope was NOT sick, that age was NOT an issue & that the reason I wanted her was NOT weather related, IT WAS BECAUSE SHE HAD A SICK PUP THAT SHE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS WRONG WITH HIM & REASSURED ME THAT MY BABY WAS NOT SICK, SO I WANTED MY BABY OUT OF THERE ASAP.  To read them  in order, start from the bottom & read up.........

From: Marian
To: Folkner Great danes <folknerdanes@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2011 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: decision made yet on Hope?

I'm sorry, don't agree with whether she comes home Saturday late or Monday morning.  Saturday works better for us to get her.  
 
 Oscar could come later Sat. afternoon to get her... since you know she is not sick.  If something does happen, I'd rather  be with her if she happens to get ill, I am her mom....I have the money & and an awesome  vet to deal with it.
 
I DON'T want to wait.  I think if you have something there that's contagious...the sooner she gets out the better.  Plus, do what I suggested.. since she is still healthy, put her away somewhere until Sat.  that way she won't get whatever is going around.

 So, not trying to be complicated....as long as it's not parvo, I'm her mom, she needs to come home to me asap & Sat. works for my friend to get her.  It's up to you whether or not you bring her or Oscar comes & gets her.
 
Let me know after the vet exam tomorrow.
 
Thanks,
Marian

----- Original Message -----
From: Folkner Great danes
To: Marian
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: decision made yet on Hope?

Sorry I didnt have much time to call and its little to late. Will call tomrow. Waffles seems to be doing better I've givin him the anti-diahrrea med's, spoon fed him a little, and gave him water with a droper. He is not wineing cuse he's all alone and was just playing some and tareing up his puppy pad in his crate so he's ok so far than goodness no vomiting.  So far all the other pups are good, Hope is veri healty. I just dont know yet about Saturday, it mite have to be monday. sorry I will have to think more about it and get back to you sometime tomorrow I dont know when I dont know how my day will pan out my husband is sick, kids have school the pups demand more attention in the moring due the nasty little messes they leave over night, and well not much sleep for me w/ Waffles not feeling well. 

Thank You,
 
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----- Original Message -----
From: Marian
To: Kimberly Folkner
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 8:26 PM
Subject: decision made yet on Hope?


Hey Kim,
 
Just wondering what you came up with for Saturday.  Either Oscar can come to you or you can meet me like we had planned at the Cracker Barrel in Springdale.
 
I would like if you could either e-mail or call tomorrow after the parvo snap test from the
vet.  Curious about results.  I sure hope Waffles makes it.  He such a beautiful baby.
 
Oh, how is he doing this evening?  Worse or any improvement?
 
Thanks,
Marian

Now Kim to also address the matter of me saying I was Hope's mother, which I'm 100% sure that dog lovers around the world refer to themselves as the pups mom or dad.  To quote you in your rebuttal, "I said No my dog Patches is her Mother, then the hateful e-mails came about" quote, unquote.  Does anyone see that statement from Kimmy above?  I DO see stating I'm her mom, but hmmm, don't see your lying ass statement.  Think about this people, what breeder would even say that to a new parent?

COUGH UP THE E-MAILS KIMMY WHERE YOU MAKE THAT STATEMENT, COUGH UP THE E-MAILS WHERE IT'S WEATHER RELATED, COUGH THEM UP LIAR!

I didn't come get her all the way to your place because as you know I have other special needs.  I can't be gone long.  That's why I could meet you just so far or have my good friend come get her.  YOU chose to have him come get her.

Something else on your stupidity & those in your circle.....I HAVE NOT ONCE SAID ONE THING ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE PUPS.....just the FACT that I WARNED other buyers that by saying NO to Kimmy that there's hell to pay!  Again, if you'll read at the very top of "Ripoff" it states that this is a forum to state complaints amongst other issues.  I NEVER stated that I was ripped off.

But, since we're there, I do have an e-mail of Kimmy stating that Hope was blind in one eye, could see shadows out of the other & was NOT, I repeat NOT hearing impaired!!  Did I throw that overlook by the "Super Duper" breeder around?  NO....because I knew that Kim was a dumb ass & I was thankful to have Hope even with ALL of her special needs. I've NEVER even mentioned this....why?  Because it doesn't matter to me what Hope's needs were....she was & is my baby.  But, it does prove my intentions were NOT to complain about the quality of Kim's pups, but ONLY about Kim's anger issues, lies & mentality. 

Now, Kimmy, what would have happened if you sold her to someone else with your major overlook?  I imagine they would be on "Ripoff" stating that Folkner Danes sold them a puppy that you said was partially blind & could hear just fine.  And they got a puppy that was fully blind & deaf.....hmmm..... I think that would fall under "Ripoff" to others, but to me, it falls under "uneducated, irresponsible breeder."

You NEVER called me EVER....now Kimmy, you claim to have called 2 days later, it's very easy to get the phone company to go back to that date & send you a copy of your phone bill (I'm long distance, should show up).  To save your already dying reputation, I dare you to produce that.  I  don't expect you to come up with one from 4 months ago as you've claimed to have called me then.....why?  BECAUSE I MOVED & DIDN'T HAVE THE SAME PHONE NUMBER IDIOT!  You can't win when you're such a liar.  Liars have a hard time keeping their stories straight.  It's very obvious that you fall under that category.

You have spun such a web.  You've got to be totally embarrassed to have someone stand up to you & to take the time to untangle your web of lies.  Told you, you picked on the WRONG person lady. From all of the e-mails that I've received from other disgruntled buyers, you have managed to intimidate some.  Others, well, they just chose NOT to ever deal with you again.  I however, take it as a challenge to prove the truth.  What's the saying?  I'm sure you of all people wouldn't know it....."THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE"  You might practice this, maybe it'll help you with your anger issues.

You have continued to make all of your lying claims, I called Marian (so that would put me on your bill), I have hundreds of e-mails, I recorded our conversations. Remember e-mailing me that insane claim?

COUGH EVERYTHING UP, PHONE BILLS, RECORDED CONVERSATIONS, LAY ALL YOUR CLAIMS OUT.....DO IT BY GOD! 

I bet you'll be coughing until your freakin lungs explode because you have NOTHING.

Also, I DON'T have a contract with you on Hope, have NEVER seen a contract from you.  Cough that up to, because if you do.....It'll be false & forgery! 

I want to give ALL of you people out there that bought a puppy in the year 2010 or earlier a chance to send me where it states in the contract that you have to send pics & updates to this idiot.  NO breeder can demand that, you can request it & it's OUR CHOICE whether to concur or not.  I chose NOT to concur!  Why? again, because why would you even ask after almost a year, why would you ask when we left the whole thing with you not liking me or me you?  I think you were looking for a fight.  I said NO to your demands, but did say she was fine......then, well shall we say, your venom filled wrath spewed.

Except this person (me) wasn't going to be bullied by you.  You've gotten by with it so often that you didn't think twice in doing it again.  You just picked the WRONG person to do it to.  I'll call you out on everything.  That's why this d**n rebuttal is so long.  You lied so much that I'm having to go line for line to call you out.

What is it you said, gosh this is hilarious, another quote from you..."Are you fachated with me?"  First off, what the heck is "fachated"?  Lol!  I think you're uneducated mind is trying to say "fascinated". What kind of freak question is that?  I won't even attempt to answer something so off the wall.  Just had to bring it up because of the spelling & insinuation.

Finally the last quote of your lame rebuttal, you said, "she flat told me she will ruin my dog business".  I NEVER said that....I challenge you to prove that.  I made a point to let you know that I just wanted to warn people about your mentality.....I'm not ruining your....what did you call it?  Dog business?  Like the rebuttal of the Dane rescue comment.......you're just in it for the money.  You gave yourself away again......business?  That's NOT what a breeder with a heart would consider her babies.  I didn't have to ruin you......YOU DID IT ALL BY YOURSELF.

Good riddens, hope your BUSINESS doesn't loose you any money.  I'll pray for the poor babies that are just considered a BUSINESS to you.

P.S.  inform your white trash friends that I WILL NOT be acknowledging their illiterate, uneducated, lying, insane so called rebuttals.  There's NOTHING to rebuttal to a bunch of idiots.....their rebuttals speak for themselves....lol!
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#5 Consumer Comment

Not a reputable breeder

AUTHOR: Dane Rescue - (USA)

For those of you throwing the term "reputable breeder" around, may I politely ask that you step off of your soap box for a moment to really THINK about what that term means. Reputable breeders of ANY animal, be it dog, cat, horse, or elephant are mainly doing it for ONE reason, and one reason only and that is to BETTER THE STANDARD OF THE BREED. In any animal, there are certain conformation standards and color standards. Reputable breeders search out the the animals that MOST CLOSELY come to those standards, look at their pedigrees, do medical testing to ensure no disease is present, examine the animals temperment, and then and ONLY then put them together and hope for offspring. REPUTABLE BREEDERS ARE IN IT FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE BREED, NOT TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF THE ANIMALS. It's true that quality bred Great Danes (or any animal) will sell for a pretty penny. But it's because REPUTABLE breeders already have several thousand dollars invested in a litter before a pup ever hits the ground. They are happy when they get a perfect puppy, NOT when they achieve a big paycheck. REPUTABLE BREEDERS are PROUD to put their name on their puppies, they do not threaten people if they tell others how sick their new puppy is.

I have watched Folkner Danes "breeding program" (and I use that term loosely) for over a year now, and in my opinion, they are in it for the money. At one time they (she) had a SOLID WHITE male that she was very anxious to add to her lines. She couldn't WAIT for him to grow up so she could breed him. I don't know why he suddenly disappeared. NO REPUTABLE BREEDER WOULD EVEN THINK OF BREEDING A SOLID WHITE DANE. She calls "Ellie" a "mis-marked mantle female" so she can charge more for her puppies instead of calling her what she really is, a black female. Most REPUTABLE breeders do NOT discard their "breeding stock" when they have outlived their usefulness. They neuter the animal and then keep it as part of their family. Not Folkner Danes. I've seen Bengal cats, Danes, and English Bulldogs all sold to the highest bidder simply because they've outlived her use for them. REPUTABLE BREEDERS do NOT strive to breed NON AKC RECOGNIZED COLORS simply because they are more exotic and will bring a bigger selling price.

REPUTABLE breeders will ALWAYS welcome suggestions, and even constructive criticism on their lines. They do not tell people to "kick rocks" if you don't like what they're doing. That defensive posture from Folkner alone shows that she knows her lines are subject to ridicule. Fawnequins, Merles, and Bluequins are NOT something a reputable breeder strives for. They know that occasionally one of those color pups may hit the ground, but they do not brag about their lines being consistent in those colors. 

Like it or not Folkner, but you are not a reputable breeder. I would consider you a backyard breeder. REPUTABLE BREEDERS strive for AKC STANDARDS, and you don't. What gives me the right to judge your "lines"? I've been doing Dane rescue for YEARS. I HAVE a CORRECTLY marked, conformationally correct Harlequin, and I've actually READ the AKC standards for Great Danes. Have YOU?
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#6 Author of original report

Finally a rebuttal that's not white trash talk

AUTHOR: a normal person - (USA)

First off, show me what part of the report is slander.....seriously.  There's nothing but pure truth.

 I posted her insane response to me because I was totally in shock that just saying to her that Hope was fine & no I would not take the time to send pics, because unlike your relationship with her, I don't like her.  So had no interest in having any contact with her.  So I simply(didn't object strongly as you put it) asked her not to contact me again & well, go re-read the post.  The wrath of Kimmy hit strongly. Who in their right mind responds to someone over a pic with that much venom?  Very inappropriate.

You have no idea of all of what took place before hand.  Her attitude was unacceptable.  But, the nasty side didn't come out until I had put down my deposit, which would have been lost if I chose not to continue with the transaction. Plus, I had already named her Hope & had my heart set on her. I have another special needs baby & thought it would be nice for her to have a sister that was just like her.  I have a special place in my heart for these babies.

 Also,  I do NOT have a contract with Kim on Hope.  I'd like to see her cough one up....it would be nothing but forgery & bogus.  This was purely a verbal agreement, which was, I saw the pup & bought her.

Something to hide part?.....well, I guess I'll just confess.  Hope is an undercover dog for the CIA, she works in the Canine department.  All pics & detailed information is totally classified.....lol!

Please, don't attempt to make a judgment call when your phone is NOT ringing.
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#7 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Sad and Pathedic!

AUTHOR: Kimberly - (United States of America)

You know what Marian you are a sad woman! Don't have the balls to show your name just hid behind a computer and use FAKE names and FAKE emails. I is sad I have to take time out to rebuttal I do not have time for this do you know that you are on "Ripoff Report" a simple GOOGLE will give you the definition on what this site is for, not to smear someone's good name simply because you are immature "I don't like her but I bought 2 dogs from her" Come on LADY!

Why lie! no puppies died, one ate a toxic substance and was rushed to the VET I spend hundreds of dollars on that puppy within 2 days he was healthy and feeling better and Vet checked 2x's as well as the whole litter God forbid i make sure you dont get a sick pup now tell them the real reason you wanted HOPE at 6wks of age you knew my requirements you threw a fit simply because I said NO she will not leave no earlier than Monday and last i remember we were going to drive a 3hr round trip to bring the pup to you (which its your responsiability as a dog owner to go and meet the breeder and their Danes. Now that's beside the point! You wanted hope cuse you though there was going to be a snow storm or ice storm and when i looked at the weather no such thing i said sorry no and if we do get bad weather she will be here a tad longer but Noooo you wouldn't have that "I quote I am her MOTHER" I said No my dog Patches is her Mother then the hateful emails came about. I called you if you recall and you cried, wined, and pleaded please please let me have her I love her already sad sad sad bull crap story and yet I fell into it but Thanks to you! I have a tight screening process!!!

I am sorry for doing my duty as a breeder and checking on 2 of our puppies you have, you knew I require pictures and updates who wouldn't. If we were on bad terms would you really believe I would let you have HOPE No think not i would have returned your money. I called you 2 days after you had her you were supose to call me that same day an yet you didn't, but i didn't get a email or phone call from you so I called you 4mo ago and nothing so I decided to email once again asking nicely for updates on the girls and pic's. I was very nice and Kind but the nasty email i recieved from "Hope/Mia mother LOL" was very unpleasent not what she is telling everyone in the world. So yes i got pissed and she sent more hateful emails I stopped replying. And yet 9-27-2011 I recieved 4 emails from her not to mention one the other night. She wants to put a couple emails from me I have hundreds from her.

Sorry hunny my husband don't think much of you to even give a CRAP!

I believe I have a STALKER! Lady am I on your mind all the time??? Are you fachated with me??? I am not perfect I am human I do mis-spell but she is like a dog without a tail that continues to chase her non existant tail her emails and bashing goes in circles.

This person is not only Bashing my name but making herself look stupid! All she does is Lie and the funny thing is I am not the one who is hiding I am who I am I did not come up with screen names just to have a piss n match but I do have a right to defend myself. Why am I on here for her having a hate for me Idk cuse i asked for pictures oooo goodness not that she got a sick and defective dog/dogs or i took her money and ran that is not the case she flat told me she will ruin my dog business look at her character and yet she says I am crazy.

Yours Truely,

Kimberly from "Folkner Danes"

This ripoff report is a ripoff all in its own!
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#8 General Comment

LOL. This is NOT Kim.

AUTHOR: Set you straight - (United States of America)

Lady, If you really want to know who this is, Why don't you email me? Here is my email. reawoken_1990@yahoo.com. I have had this account for years! Please, feel free to email me. What a moron. Do you really think Kim would waste her time to write you? By the way, There is no spell check. Tsk Tsk. Lady, Why don't you post your name in any of your messages? Are you too chicken shit? No She has not put me up to anything. I make my own choices. Slandering someone's name isn't going to get you any where. And the "save a dane" comment was from me. You are a S T A L K E R. Do you really have to check her facebook to see what she say's about you? Well then if so, I am sure you saw a lot of comments about you.By the way,  None of them were good. AND if you say SO many people contacted you, PLEASE share their emails!! Would be nice to see if you are even telling the truth!

I do plan on buying from Kim in the future! Thanks for the website!:) You technically directed me to her! LMAO. Free advertisement? haha. You  really need to leave the situation alone. Grow up. Aren't we all supposed to be adults? You have the mind of a teenager. As I said before, ALL REPUTABLE breeders require a contract that states that she gets pictures and updates when they ask for them. You should really research MichaelDanes. They breed merles, and whites. And They have been breeding for YEARS!!!! They are REPUTABLE Breeders that show their dogs!! Yes, and white can be born from a merlexmerle breeding, or a harlxharl. But not all white danes are blind/and or deaf!


Oh and "meathead" I applaud your comments!! Well said! Also, If I may add, if I don't receive an email from you. It will just prove me right that you have NO proof and that you are CHICKEN SHIT
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#9 Author of original report

I KNOW who you are.....

AUTHOR: a normal person - (USA)

Oh my gosh, you need some good meds.  This is either Kim the breeder, her husband, or some friend of hers. I think I'll take my chances at this being Kim. This rebuttal has so many sentences in it that have been in your e-mails.  I doubt that would be a coincidence.  You should be an entertainer instead of a breeder lady. 

Okay, I'll play......let's pretend that your not you.

First, I'm NOT bashing the breeder, she is doing a very fine job of doing that all on her own.  I just simply posted her insane, hostile response to not complying fully with her request.  I find the response that I received was something that I think ALL buyers should be aware of from this breeder.  Btw, when she(or you Kim), posted my info on facebook today thinking you were damaging me.....well, as you know, it was again you digging yourself into one great big hole.  I received over a dozen e-mails that were not only agreeing that you have some severe anger issues, but also about the quality of your pups.  Some even had a similar response from you(.....oops, I mean her) as I did.

Now, on the "lethal white" issue as you asking me to go read about this issue because it's.....what? normal?  common?  Here....straight from the lethal white section of your breeders guide.....ENJOY!

The beautiful marble coat of Australian Shepherds (and many other breeds including Collies, Australian Cattle Dogs, Great Dane, and others) is the result of unique genetics. These lovely merles, when bred together, as in merle to merle breedings (both parents are merles) can typically result in a homozygous gene pairing that will effect 25% (one out of four) of the offspring having issues with sight and/or hearing. For irresponsible breeders, the rewards can be notable. When breeding a solid colored dog of one of these breeds to a merle dog of the same breed, they will likely not have a litter of all merles. As the merle coat pattern is considered especially beautiful and desirable, many breeders charge more for these coats.
Taking the chance of having a few defective puppies in order to have a litter of all merles, seems to be worth the risk to them. The most irresponsible may even sell their "defective puppies." Also ,Black, Blue,  Harlequin, Mantle, Fawn and
Brindle.  There are many other colors that danes CAN come in.  Some are commonly found in conventional breedings( Merle, Piebald) and others are caused through irresponsible or intentionally crossing color families (like this blue-fawn). Dane breeding should be thought of as "families" of colors.  There is the Fawn/ Brindle family, The Black/ Blue family and the Harlequin/ Mantle family.  With in these families it is acceptable to breed to each other ( Fawn to Fawn, Mantle to Harlequin, Blue to Blue. . . )  It is less acceptable to cross the family colors in to what is refereed to as "cross color breeding".
D.Dog is much more comfortable with the position that such breedings are incredibly irresponsible for a number of reasons. While the ASCA and other effected clubs may choose a similar position.

Now, with a little education under your belt. I'll again ask, is a pure white baby born blind & deaf NORMAL or COMMON?

One more thing, there are a few comments in your rebuttal that ONLY you(Kim) would know or someone that you put up to to file a rebuttal.  But, then again to repeat myself, too many comments in your rebuttal that have been the exact wording in your e-mails.

I will step up to the plate, I commend you for spelling correctly & putting your sentences together properly!  But, I'm sure since this has spell check, that helped you out tremendously!

Oh, your LAME comment.....go save a dane....oh you can't because no one will give you one....just typical of your mentality......kindergarten style!
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You titling yourself "meathead" is fitting

AUTHOR: a normal person - (USA)

It's NOT the fact that she wanted an update that's the big deal.  Go re-read the report.

I gave her an update.....told her that Hope was fine, but didn't WANT to take the time to send someone whom is so very hostile a photo.  So, breeder person, us as BUYERS(that means paying with our own money) have the right to respond to your request or NOT.  Being that this person is so hostile, I chose NOT to provide any other info.  It's our CHOICE.  I wasn't hostile in my response.  I gave her an update, reminded her of the unpleasant terms that we left on & asked her NOT to contact me again.  The problem "meathead" is the response that I'm quite sure most NORMAL breeders would NOT send, which, as a reminder to you was........

YOU ARE ONE PATHETIC WOMAN!!! I will tell everyone I know not to ever sell to u no owner why ur husband left your a physic witch!!! U r lucky I.gave that dog to you if it.was my decision she would be in another home. You knew my.requirements
but good luck I have ur contact info I will spread threw the internet. NOTE.... DO NOT CONTACT ME AGAIN

Now, if you're normal, do you really think that the response above is appropriate?
Also, I would hope that having a business, that you could at least know how to spell & put a sentence together.  Otherwise, not only will you look like your a nut, but an uneducated one at that!
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#11 Consumer Comment

What is your Problem!

AUTHOR: Bringing the Truth - (United States of America)

Why would you put someone on a "rip off report" when they did not rip you off if you have a problem don't ever buy nor speak to them better yet give her the dogs back. You have mental issues you know you just sounded STUPID! She cares about her pup wow throw a fit like a baby grow up. Tell us why your emails are not included in her above statement????? Why not give pictures???? something to hid???? A good breeder cares where their offspring goes. If you think she is crazy why buy two dogs from her all you are is harassing the breeder, do you have a hard on for her? Tell me how old was the dog in ? when you felt you had to have her over the better judgment of her breeder, do you think you are high and mighty above others.

In the 2nd email it sounds like she had to defend herself I would like to know what you said to her??

Why be chicken Crap! and not post your name???? or your contact info I would like to tell you what i think of you.

I will deal with this breeder in the present and future!!!! You need to find Jesus! I will pray for you!
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#12 Consumer Comment

Oh Wow !!!

AUTHOR: Jennifer - (United States of America)

I am sorry to be on here having to waste my time and yours writting this rebuttal...I have bought a puppy from Kim at Folkner Danes and have plans to do so again my baby from her is fantastic I talk to Kim on a regular bases and send her pictures of him any chance I get all she wants to do is make sure the baby is healthy and doing great I see no reason why someone would object so strongly to this...In Kims contract she has a health guarantee up to a year that would also be a good reason to wait to contact you to make sure all is good and you haven't had any medical issues that she may need to be aware of...When choosing your baby you knew she was going to be blind and deaf usually those puppies are given to carefully choosen homes so if Kim thought you were special enough to get her now she is probably seeing era in her ways...In a litter that is younger than 8  weeks old and one is sick the breeder has to determine what the cause was and if that delays you getting your baby of course you would be upset but you should understand that she doesn't want you to take home a sick baby but a healthy one...It is within your right not to buy from Folkner Danes but it will be your loss...But it has been my experience breeding Danes that usually a person goes to this much trouble over a picture is usually hiding something..We are all adults Iam assuming maybe we need to act like it....This is nothing but slander
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Her dogs are ALL healthy.

AUTHOR: meathead - (United States of America)

She health screens her dogs, shes spends thousands ensuring you get YOUR ULTIMATE BEST FRIEND, and all she asks in return is updates. Her, myself and all other breeders I care to associate with ask the same thing! We WANT to know where our pups are, how thier health and temperment are, this ENSURES we can continue improving a line. If we dont get these valuable updates how are we to discern if one litter/breeding is more supurb than the other.

You need to understand that just because she didnt contact you for a year doesn't mean she doesn't care. Its YOUR responsibility ( as per contract) to ensure you keep in touch. And as far as her owning the dog the may.....I own ALL mine for this reason exactly.

"fatal whites" are anything but fatal and are unfortunately a risk with ANY Harlequin+Harlequin breeding OR merle to harlequin breeding. ANYONE who has gone through breeding harls knows fatal whites are a possibility...they aren't frequent. SO its not her irresponsible breeding. Could happen to anyone.Her only flaw was giving her to a person like you!! Who do you think you are????

With her line and her reputation you may as well b**ch at ford cuz your car had a leak in the gas line. and your insurance didn't cover it!!!

GET OVER IT!! She just wants to know how her baby is....we get an attachment when we catch them wth out hands and hand raise them. HOw hard is it to humor her and send her some info.....I'll bet its alot less than the effort it took to type up this huge slanderous peice of garbage!!!!

You're a CRAPPY owner, and if thier was a site like this for "sellers beware" you would be on it!!!

GROW UP,  send her some pics.

FOR the specs....she does it all right, shes a great breeder and her lines are immaculate. This woman is OUT OF LINE!!! altogether.
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#14 General Comment

Get over yourself!

AUTHOR: Set you straight - (United States of America)

I don't see why you are bashing this good breeders name! All she wanted was pictures and updates of HER puppy! She did breed the dog. As a breeder, myself. I require updates and pictures of my babies as they grow. and a lethal white is common! Do your research. If you didn't like this breeder, why buy from her again? Why not go and save a dane. Oh, thats right, No one will let you take one! You are crazy and a fool! As all reputable breeders do, NO pup is allowed to leave until 8 weeks of age, CONSIDER YOUR SELF LUCKY AND BLESSED THAT YOU EVEN GOT THAT DOG. And just to let you know, I am sure if you even told this breeder that  "the transaction on very unpleasant terms & to never contact me again." She would have NEVER let you leave with that puppy. Stop slandering good breeders names and grow up!
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#15 Consumer Comment

geeez....

AUTHOR: meathead - (United States of America)

It sounds to me that you're over-reacting a little bit. All she wanted was an update. As beeders we also have lives that are very busy, we can't call EVERY family all the time. This was very un-nessesary.
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